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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 29, 2006, 07:23:49 PM
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This dude is a pure shooter, he is just what the Lakers needed to complete the triangle offense...Now when Kobe drives it into the lane, only to have 4 defenders collapse, he can dish it out with pure confidence in someone he KNOWS will shoot lights out...Dude defines a triangle fit, his European team ran the triangle offense, so he's already familiar with it. He's on an uprise, can play the 3 AND 4, can shoot long-range, mid-range, has a nice drive, a good defender, and will help the Lakers where they need help... He turned down a $42 million/5 year deal from other teams in order to play with the Lakers for the MLE ($29 million/5 years), because he knows what he can do over here... The Lakers pursued him, Phil wanted him, Kobe wanted him, they contacted him and didn't have to ask him twice, they got what they wanted...Do you guys believe Radman is what the Lakers needed or do you think there was a better fit? I honestly couldn't be happier with what we did this off-season, and I can't wait to see Radmanovic in action with the triangle offense...
Check these out:
Radmanovic Shoot Lights Out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skGjRiaoxKE)
Radmanovic High-Flying Action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP7n41CURKc)
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I concerned with his number. $30 mill for 9 points, 4 rebounds, and 1 assist? I think we could've did better for that much (I would've preferred Rashard Lewis).
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I concerned with his number. $30 mill for 9 points, 4 rebounds, and 1 assist? I think we could've did better for that much (I would've preferred Rashard Lewis).
LMAO, are you kidding me? He took a pay-cut to play with us...and like I said, 12 points coming off the bench for the CLIPPERS. The guy is exactly the shooter we need, Rashard Lewis fills none of our holes...PeACe
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I concerned with his number. $30 mill for 9 points, 4 rebounds, and 1 assist? I think we could've did better for that much (I would've preferred Rashard Lewis).
LMAO, are you kidding me? He took a pay-cut to play with us...and like I said, 12 points coming off the bench for the CLIPPERS. The guy is exactly the shooter we need, Rashard Lewis fills none of our holes...PeACe
so your telliing me you would rather have radmanovic on LA then Rashard Lewis??
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Assets Radmanovic is a smart player who can dribble, shoot and pass -- which is something of a rarity for a 6'10" power forward.
Flaws Radmanovic is not an aggressive rebounder and doesn't have the physical presence to defend against many of the league's more physical power forwards.
Assets Lewis is a terrific jump shooter with an improving 3-point shot. At 6'10", he can shoot over most defenders and is also a decent rebounder and defender. Most importantly, Lewis has improved his scoring average in each of his first five NBA seasons.
Flaws Booth allows smaller opponents to blow past him and is not a great ball handler or a threat to drive.
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^ Now tell me which one of the players the Lakers needed the most? Sounds like Vladimir to me
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Rashard Lewis averages 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 assist. I'd take him over Vladimir Radmonovic AND Brian Cook anyday. He's more consistant, he's a better shooter, and he has an inside game. The reason I'm not a fan of post-up 3-point shooters is because they always fall into shooting slums. And when their 3 isn't dropping - they're usless. Peja Stockairaqi is a perfect example of that.
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i still say rashard easily
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Lewis is a millionaire's Brian Cook.
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Rashard Lewis averages 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 assist. I'd take him over Vladimir Radmonovic AND Brian Cook anyday. He's more consistant, he's a better shooter, and he has an inside game. The reason I'm not a fan of post-up 3-point shooters is because they always fall into shooting slums. And when their 3 isn't dropping - they're usless. Peja Stockairaqi is a perfect example of that.
Then you obviously have no idea how Phil Jackson teams work...Radman is the perfect spot-up shooter who was missing from the triangle (ala Toni Kukoc), only he can play better defense...Rashard Lewis is mainly used as a scorer and is NOT a triangle fit. Lewis is obviously the better player, but I'd much rather have Radmanovic in the tri right now, especially considering contracts...PeACe
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I cant wait till all these lakers fans get pissed off at Vlad's inconsistency, hes not the answer Lakers Fans...Wake Up! If you got a Micheal Redd or Ray Allen I could understand. Radmanovic is good im not taking anything away from him, but he dont bring it every night
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I cant wait till all these lakers fans get pissed off at Vlad's inconsistency, hes not the answer Lakers Fans...Wake Up! If you got a Micheal Redd or Ray Allen I could understand. Radmanovic is good im not taking anything away from him, but he dont bring it every night
I agree with you 1,000,000%
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I cant wait till all these lakers fans get pissed off at Vlad's inconsistency, hes not the answer Lakers Fans...Wake Up! If you got a Micheal Redd or Ray Allen I could understand. Radmanovic is good im not taking anything away from him, but he dont bring it every night
You don't know shit about the Lakers and the way they play...Ray Allen and Michael Redd both play the same position as Kobe and haven no place on our team, they fill no holes. Phil specifically wanted Radman, he was the closest thing to a Kukoc, a Paxson, a Kerr...The tri player that's been missing. And he's not known as a completely inconsistant player. he's also an opening for Kobe, it'll now be much more of a liability to double and tripple team Kobe and Lamar, knowing there's a deadly shooter waiting on the perimeter...I'll take Phil's requets over yours any day...PeACe
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Again with the laker talk? lol i admire you guys dedication.
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lewis>> rad no doubt but yall on some crack if you think lewis will sign for the MLE...he'd want at least 10 mill a year. lakers dont have cap room until 2010 and thats a big if cause they only have 3 players slated in that year..kobe+odom+ kwame = alone make around 45 mill a year.
peja got a 64 mill contract and he isnt half the player lewis is. lakers couldnt do better with their MLE. stop hittin the pipe
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I have no choice but to beilive NIK. He was right about Lamar, he was right about Kwame, he just knows this shhit when it comes to the Lakers. :( I would take Lewis over Vladimir anyday, but that was never going to happen.
lewis>> rad no doubt but yall on some crack if you think lewis will sign for the MLE...he'd want at least 10 mill a year. lakers dont have cap room until 2010 and thats a big if cause they only have 3 players slated in that year..kobe+odom+ kwame = alone make around 45 mill a year.
The Lakers got some decent cap space in 08/09.
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I have no choice but to beilive NIK. He was right about Lamar, he was right about Kwame, he just knows this shhit when it comes to the Lakers. :( I would take Lewis over Vladimir anyday, but that was never going to happen.
lewis>> rad no doubt but yall on some crack if you think lewis will sign for the MLE...he'd want at least 10 mill a year. lakers dont have cap room until 2010 and thats a big if cause they only have 3 players slated in that year..kobe+odom+ kwame = alone make around 45 mill a year.
The Lakers got some decent cap space in 08/09.
we had some decent cap this year but we blew 30 mill on a guy thats gonna bring us 9 points every 2 or 3 games. i want jerry west back. he knew how to make moves
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I have no choice but to beilive NIK. He was right about Lamar, he was right about Kwame, he just knows this shhit when it comes to the Lakers. :( I would take Lewis over Vladimir anyday, but that was never going to happen.
lewis>> rad no doubt but yall on some crack if you think lewis will sign for the MLE...he'd want at least 10 mill a year. lakers dont have cap room until 2010 and thats a big if cause they only have 3 players slated in that year..kobe+odom+ kwame = alone make around 45 mill a year.
The Lakers got some decent cap space in 08/09.
we had some decent cap this year but we blew 30 mill on a guy thats gonna bring us 9 points every 2 or 3 games. i want jerry west back. he knew how to make moves
In a way I agree with BabyG, I meen NIK flat out knows his shit about the Lakers and he is right bout Odom and Kwame however I think the Lakers overpaid here, they mise well of gone after Al Harrington to play the 3 or 4 that would of been a huge upgrade over Vlad. I dont know The Lakers are on the uprise but they could of done without this signing.
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I have no choice but to beilive NIK. He was right about Lamar, he was right about Kwame, he just knows this shhit when it comes to the Lakers. :( I would take Lewis over Vladimir anyday, but that was never going to happen.
lewis>> rad no doubt but yall on some crack if you think lewis will sign for the MLE...he'd want at least 10 mill a year. lakers dont have cap room until 2010 and thats a big if cause they only have 3 players slated in that year..kobe+odom+ kwame = alone make around 45 mill a year.
The Lakers got some decent cap space in 08/09.
we had some decent cap this year but we blew 30 mill on a guy thats gonna bring us 9 points every 2 or 3 games. i want jerry west back. he knew how to make moves
In a way I agree with BabyG, I meen NIK flat out knows his shit about the Lakers and he is right bout Odom and Kwame however I think the Lakers overpaid here, they mise well of gone after Al Harrington to play the 3 or 4 that would of been a huge upgrade over Vlad. I dont know The Lakers are on the uprise but they could of done without this signing.
I'm not gonna lie, as a Lakers fan, I'm very disappointed by the moves we made. I think we could've pulled off some better trades if Mihm wasn't injured (no one is gonna trade for an injured player). Our rookies look promising...but they're sitll rookies. We needed a vet, but this Shammond Williams guy is not our answer.
I wonder why Phil didn't try to get Toni Kukoc?
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I have no choice but to beilive NIK. He was right about Lamar, he was right about Kwame, he just knows this shhit when it comes to the Lakers. :( I would take Lewis over Vladimir anyday, but that was never going to happen.
lewis>> rad no doubt but yall on some crack if you think lewis will sign for the MLE...he'd want at least 10 mill a year. lakers dont have cap room until 2010 and thats a big if cause they only have 3 players slated in that year..kobe+odom+ kwame = alone make around 45 mill a year.
The Lakers got some decent cap space in 08/09.
we had some decent cap this year but we blew 30 mill on a guy thats gonna bring us 9 points every 2 or 3 games. i want jerry west back. he knew how to make moves
9 points every two to three games? Are you retarded? He has CAREER AVERAGES of 10.1 PPG, he's 25 years old, and he's just now entering his prime...You're basing your bullshit on absolutely NOTHING, Radman is worth way more than what we got him for... More than a few teams, including the one he was on, offered him a $42 mill/5 year extension...LMAO. You are hilarious, you don't know shit about the triangle...We have been missing a pure shooter in our offense, like the Bulls always had, Radman is versatile, he's the guy we needed...Did you even watch him play in the playoffs? Did you see his 14 straight points for the Clippers to take the lead vs. the Suns when they were down by 12 in the 4th? You need to know what you're saying before you say it...PeACe
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I wonder why Phil didn't try to get Toni Kukoc?
LMFAO! This has to be a joke... :laugh:
Seriously though, you were kidding, right? Otherwise, I can't ever take you seriously again. You're mad at Mitch for signing Radman (a shooter, which fills a hole REQUIRED for our offense) for way less than his worth and you wonder why he didn't go for a broke down Croatian pushing 40? LOLLLL. Funny though...
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I have no choice but to beilive NIK. He was right about Lamar, he was right about Kwame, he just knows this shhit when it comes to the Lakers. :( I would take Lewis over Vladimir anyday, but that was never going to happen.
lewis>> rad no doubt but yall on some crack if you think lewis will sign for the MLE...he'd want at least 10 mill a year. lakers dont have cap room until 2010 and thats a big if cause they only have 3 players slated in that year..kobe+odom+ kwame = alone make around 45 mill a year.
The Lakers got some decent cap space in 08/09.
we had some decent cap this year but we blew 30 mill on a guy thats gonna bring us 9 points every 2 or 3 games. i want jerry west back. he knew how to make moves
In a way I agree with BabyG, I meen NIK flat out knows his shit about the Lakers and he is right bout Odom and Kwame however I think the Lakers overpaid here, they mise well of gone after Al Harrington to play the 3 or 4 that would of been a huge upgrade over Vlad. I dont know The Lakers are on the uprise but they could of done without this signing.
LOL, how did they overpay? Peja went for MORE THAN TWICE as much as Radman, and he's an older injured version of him. Radman took less to play for us...Harrington is a tweener, doesn't fit in the triangle, and wouldn't fill any holes...I would've loved to get him as well, but I'm extremely satisfied with our moves this off-season...PeACe
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Some guys are joke when it comes to B-Ball, we talk about the TRIANGLE offense ... of course he's a good choice, we'll see how it works and more important give him time he has to learn the way this offense is run
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I wonder why Phil didn't try to get Toni Kukoc?
LMFAO! This has to be a joke... :laugh:
Seriously though, you were kidding, right? Otherwise, I can't ever take you seriously again. You're mad at Mitch for signing Radman (a shooter, which fills a hole REQUIRED for our offense) for way less than his worth and you wonder why he didn't go for a broke down Croatian pushing 40? LOLLLL. Funny though...
I'm not suggesting we should've went after him. I'm saying that cuz Phil usually goes after an old Bulls player while we're in the building/rebuilding process (like he did with Rodman, Harper, Pippin (tried to), and H.Grant).
we'll see how it works
ill leave it at that. we'll see...
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2/4...Rodman and Pippen never played for Phil. Ron Harper and Horace Grant were a lot more serviceable than the current Toni Kukoc...PeACe
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Radmanovic Brings Clippers Back From 14 Point Deficit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82YylmPWSE)
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we had some decent cap this year but we blew 30 mill on a guy thats gonna bring us 9 points every 2 or 3 games. i want jerry west back. he knew how to make moves
we had no cap room this year, the lakers spent their MLE which every team gets that is over the cap..nothing new here..they'll have a new MLE next year and so on. its better to spend it than not to like our previous 2 years on old washed up players like mckie and vlade who never played. rad is 24. actually this is probably the best the lakers did with the MLE other than the payton/malone signing. throughout the championship years the lakers refused to use it due to luxury tax. i do agree tho i hope we coulda made a few minor trades but mihm is injured and mitch is slow to do things..he'd rather wait than make any move
the rad signing aint soo bad if he doesnt fit as well..we can always trade him, he's young and is a instant scorer. at 5.5 mill a year thats a bargin. remember the sonics traded vlad for wilcox who wants 8-9 mill a year.
vlad can also do a backflip and throw it down!! ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY1czMR2dJs&search=vlad%20dunk
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Radmanovic Brings Clippers Back From 14 Point Deficit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82YylmPWSE)
WOW one game, hes not the fuckin answer, yes hell help the triangle but the Lakers still dont have a Pippen to go with Kobe, yeah sure htey got there "Paxson" but that doesnt mean shit till someone else step's up to help Kobe and Lamar Odom aint getting it done
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and another thing NIK youre so fuckin biased towards the lakers, you said Odom was better then Artest, Nash, Marion and AK 47, so that right there proves HOW BIASED you are towards the Lakers, so its hard for me to take your opinions about the NBA seriosuly..
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and another thing NIK youre so fuckin biased towards the lakers, you said Odom was better then Artest, Nash, Marion and AK 47, so that right there proves HOW BIASED you are towards the Lakers, so its hard for me to take your opinions about the NBA seriosuly..
Yeah I know NIK watches a ton of ball like me and you mosav and I know he knows his shit but how he said Odom was better than Artest, Nash, Marion, and AK47 was absurd. Those 4 players are EASILY better than Odom and there is no argument about it
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Radmanovic Brings Clippers Back From 14 Point Deficit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82YylmPWSE)
WOW one game, hes not the fuckin answer, yes hell help the triangle but the Lakers still dont have a Pippen to go with Kobe, yeah sure htey got there "Paxson" but that doesnt mean shit till someone else step's up to help Kobe and Lamar Odom aint getting it done
Exactly. Kobe scored 81 points in a single game, but that doesn't mean he's gonna do that every night.
Edit: man they still lost that fuckin game!
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^^^LOL@these kids thinking they know more than me...I never said Odom was better than Nash, LMAO. Nash is better due to his superb offense, but Odom is better all-around, because he plays BOTH ends of the court...And Odom IS better than Artest, AK47, AND Marion in my opinion...That is a VERY VALID opinion, Artest stunk it up on offense last year, AK47 is more inconsistant than Lamar and less versatile, and Odom OWNED Marion in the playoffs. Please come with something better, LMAO@Lamar Odom ain't getting it done. Odom=most underrated player in the league. period...PeACe
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Radmanovic Brings Clippers Back From 14 Point Deficit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82YylmPWSE)
WOW one game, hes not the fuckin answer, yes hell help the triangle but the Lakers still dont have a Pippen to go with Kobe, yeah sure htey got there "Paxson" but that doesnt mean shit till someone else step's up to help Kobe and Lamar Odom aint getting it done
Exactly. Kobe scored 81 points in a single game, but that doesn't mean he's gonna do that every night.
Edit: man they still lost that fuckin game!
Lakers WON that 81 point game, Kobe single-handedly brought them back...LMAO.
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^^^LOL@these kids thinking they know more than me...I never said Odom was better than Nash, LMAO. Nash is better due to his superb offense, but Odom is better all-around, because he plays BOTH ends of the court...And Odom IS better than Artest, AK47, AND Marion in my opinion...That is a VERY VALID opinion, Artest stunk it up on offense last year, AK47 is more inconsistant than Lamar and less versatile, and Odom OWNED Marion in the playoffs. Please come with something better, LMAO@Lamar Odom ain't getting it done. Odom=most underrated player in the league. period...PeACe
No way AK47 is more inconsistent then Lamar LMAO!!!! Youre so fuckin biased its disgusting...At least when AK47 is off on offense he is bringing it on defense thats why he is all NBA defense every year, whens the last time ODOM was on the all nba defensive team..
Last year AK 47 15.3 Pts per Game 8.0 reb 4.3 asts 1.48 stls and 3.19 Blks per game :o
Last Year Lamar Odom 14.8 pts per game .94 stl .80 blks 9.2 rebs 5.5 ast
Pretty similar numbers offensivly but there is no ARGUMENT that AK47 is a better defensive player...cuz if thats the case then Gilbert Arenas is better then Kobe Bryant....And im sure you know then me about the Lakers, cuz there youre team and i never claimed to know more, but just cuz you know more doesnt mean youre always right, cuz i got you on this one NIK...(Waits for the bias argument) ;) ;D
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^^^LOL@these kids thinking they know more than me...I never said Odom was better than Nash, LMAO. Nash is better due to his superb offense, but Odom is better all-around, because he plays BOTH ends of the court...And Odom IS better than Artest, AK47, AND Marion in my opinion...That is a VERY VALID opinion, Artest stunk it up on offense last year, AK47 is more inconsistant than Lamar and less versatile, and Odom OWNED Marion in the playoffs. Please come with something better, LMAO@Lamar Odom ain't getting it done. Odom=most underrated player in the league. period...PeACe
No way AK47 is more inconsistent then Lamar LMAO!!!! Youre so fuckin biased its disgusting...At least when AK47 is off on offense he is bringing it on defense thats why he is all NBA defense every year, whens the last time ODOM was on the all nba defensive team..
Last year AK 47 15.3 Pts per Game 8.0 reb 4.3 asts 1.48 stls and 3.19 Blks per game :o
Last Year Lamar Odom 14.8 pts per game .94 stl .80 blks 9.2 rebs 5.5 ast
Pretty similar numbers offensivly but there is no ARGUMENT that AK47 is a better defensive player...cuz if thats the case then Gilbert Arenas is better then Kobe Bryant....And im sure you know then me about the Lakers, cuz there youre team and i never claimed to know more, but just cuz you know more doesnt mean youre always right, cuz i got you on this one NIK...(Waits for the bias argument) ;) ;D
You're late, son...We already had a discussion on this VV
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=113569.0
Odom is a better ball-handler, rebounder, passer, play-maker, has the better basketball mind, nicer slash to the hoop, better post-up game, better off the dribble, more consistant, just the better player...Kirilenko is only better at defense, but that's not an area Odom lacks in, his all-around game makes him the better player...And why are you laughing about Kirilenko being more inconsistant than Lamar? He can give you 24 points one night, then 3 points the next. Even Odom was never THAT inconsistant...AK disappears on offense a lot, Odom>Kirilenko...PeACe
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Radmanovic Brings Clippers Back From 14 Point Deficit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82YylmPWSE)
WOW one game, hes not the fuckin answer, yes hell help the triangle but the Lakers still dont have a Pippen to go with Kobe, yeah sure htey got there "Paxson" but that doesnt mean shit till someone else step's up to help Kobe and Lamar Odom aint getting it done
Exactly. Kobe s
scored 81 points in a single game, but that doesn't mean he's gonna do that every night.
Edit: man they still lost that fuckin game!
Lakers WON that 81 point game, Kobe single-handedly brought them back...LMAO.
im talkin about that vladimir clip you posted. yeah he brought em back from a 14 point deficit, but they lost the game.
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Radmanovic Brings Clippers Back From 14 Point Deficit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82YylmPWSE)
WOW one game, hes not the fuckin answer, yes hell help the triangle but the Lakers still dont have a Pippen to go with Kobe, yeah sure htey got there "Paxson" but that doesnt mean shit till someone else step's up to help Kobe and Lamar Odom aint getting it done
Exactly. Kobe s
scored 81 points in a single game, but that doesn't mean he's gonna do that every night.
Edit: man they still lost that fuckin game!
Lakers WON that 81 point game, Kobe single-handedly brought them back...LMAO.
im talkin about that vladimir clip you posted. yeah he brought em back from a 14 point deficit, but they lost the game.
Yup...And they don't have Kobe... ;)
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^^^LOL@these kids thinking they know more than me...I never said Odom was better than Nash, LMAO. Nash is better due to his superb offense, but Odom is better all-around, because he plays BOTH ends of the court...And Odom IS better than Artest, AK47, AND Marion in my opinion...That is a VERY VALID opinion, Artest stunk it up on offense last year, AK47 is more inconsistant than Lamar and less versatile, and Odom OWNED Marion in the playoffs. Please come with something better, LMAO@Lamar Odom ain't getting it done. Odom=most underrated player in the league. period...PeACe
No way AK47 is more inconsistent then Lamar LMAO!!!! Youre so fuckin biased its disgusting...At least when AK47 is off on offense he is bringing it on defense thats why he is all NBA defense every year, whens the last time ODOM was on the all nba defensive team..
Last year AK 47 15.3 Pts per Game 8.0 reb 4.3 asts 1.48 stls and 3.19 Blks per game :o
Last Year Lamar Odom 14.8 pts per game .94 stl .80 blks 9.2 rebs 5.5 ast
Pretty similar numbers offensivly but there is no ARGUMENT that AK47 is a better defensive player...cuz if thats the case then Gilbert Arenas is better then Kobe Bryant....And im sure you know then me about the Lakers, cuz there youre team and i never claimed to know more, but just cuz you know more doesnt mean youre always right, cuz i got you on this one NIK...(Waits for the bias argument) ;) ;D
You're late, son...We already had a discussion on this VV
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=113569.0
Odom is a better ball-handler, rebounder, passer, play-maker, has the better basketball mind, nicer slash to the hoop, better post-up game, better off the dribble, more consistant, just the better player...Kirilenko is only better at defense, but that's not an area Odom lacks in, his all-around game makes him the better player...And why are you laughing about Kirilenko being more inconsistant than Lamar? He can give you 24 points one night, then 3 points the next. Even Odom was never THAT inconsistant...AK disappears on offense a lot, Odom>Kirilenko...PeACe
thats the type of shit im talking about right there about youre biased....HAS THE BETTER BASKETBALL MIND! How do you know??? Gimme a fuckin break.....Like I said before if AK47 struggles on offense he can still shut down the oppenents best player and he always brings it on defense...if Lamars struggles on offense, he still will rebound but he is an average defender at best, so when his offense is struggling he really isnt helping the team...
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^^^LOL@these kids thinking they know more than me...I never said Odom was better than Nash, LMAO. Nash is better due to his superb offense, but Odom is better all-around, because he plays BOTH ends of the court...And Odom IS better than Artest, AK47, AND Marion in my opinion...That is a VERY VALID opinion, Artest stunk it up on offense last year, AK47 is more inconsistant than Lamar and less versatile, and Odom OWNED Marion in the playoffs. Please come with something better, LMAO@Lamar Odom ain't getting it done. Odom=most underrated player in the league. period...PeACe
No way AK47 is more inconsistent then Lamar LMAO!!!! Youre so fuckin biased its disgusting...At least when AK47 is off on offense he is bringing it on defense thats why he is all NBA defense every year, whens the last time ODOM was on the all nba defensive team..
Last year AK 47 15.3 Pts per Game 8.0 reb 4.3 asts 1.48 stls and 3.19 Blks per game :o
Last Year Lamar Odom 14.8 pts per game .94 stl .80 blks 9.2 rebs 5.5 ast
Pretty similar numbers offensivly but there is no ARGUMENT that AK47 is a better defensive player...cuz if thats the case then Gilbert Arenas is better then Kobe Bryant....And im sure you know then me about the Lakers, cuz there youre team and i never claimed to know more, but just cuz you know more doesnt mean youre always right, cuz i got you on this one NIK...(Waits for the bias argument) ;) ;D
You're late, son...We already had a discussion on this VV
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=113569.0
Odom is a better ball-handler, rebounder, passer, play-maker, has the better basketball mind, nicer slash to the hoop, better post-up game, better off the dribble, more consistant, just the better player...Kirilenko is only better at defense, but that's not an area Odom lacks in, his all-around game makes him the better player...And why are you laughing about Kirilenko being more inconsistant than Lamar? He can give you 24 points one night, then 3 points the next. Even Odom was never THAT inconsistant...AK disappears on offense a lot, Odom>Kirilenko...PeACe
thats the type of shit im talking about right there about youre biased....HAS THE BETTER BASKETBALL MIND! How do you know??? Gimme a fuckin break.....Like I said before if AK47 struggles on offense he can still shut down the oppenents best player and he always brings it on defense...if Lamars struggles on offense, he still will rebound but he is an average defender at best, so when his offense is struggling he really isnt helping the team...
WTF are you talking about, it is KNOWN that Odom has a very high basketball IQ and knows the game very well, knows what to do in what situation, reads plays, the spacing on the floor, etc... That's why he came into the league as a POINT GUARD!...You probably didn't even know that, because you like speaking out of your ass. Odom an average defender at best? LMAO...Odom is a STRONG defender, he can guard the 1, 2, 3, 4, and on some occasions even the 5...He is VERY strong on both ends of the court, I have no idea where you're coming up with this shit from...PeACE
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yeah i did know he came in as a PG, at Rhode Island he was the man he led them to the elite 8 his sr year and they lost to Stanford, so dont tell me im talking out of my ass...Ive always liked Lamar Odom, but he aint better then Artest, or AK 47. Look at the Kings when they got Artest Totally Different Team, Lamar dont impact a team like Artest does and Look at Indy with Arest they were title contenders without him a little better then a .500 club. Get off Lamars nuts
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yeah i did know he came in as a PG, at Rhode Island he was the man he led them to the elite 8 his sr year and they lost to Stanford, so dont tell me im talking out of my ass...Ive always liked Lamar Odom, but he aint better then Artest, or AK 47. Look at the Kings when they got Artest Totally Different Team, Lamar dont impact a team like Artest does and Look at Indy with Arest they were title contenders without him a little better then a .500 club. Get off Lamars nuts
Okay, Lakers without Lamar wouldn't be a playoff team either. And Lakers did better than the Kings...What's your point? ::)...LMAO@Lamar don't impact teams like Artest...Anyone remember the Heat 2-3 years ago? Lamar LEAD that team, they made the 2nd round under him...Odom>Artest...Odom>AK47. Sorry man, that opinion is MORE than valid...PeACe
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yeah i did know he came in as a PG, at Rhode Island he was the man he led them to the elite 8 his sr year and they lost to Stanford, so dont tell me im talking out of my ass...Ive always liked Lamar Odom, but he aint better then Artest, or AK 47. Look at the Kings when they got Artest Totally Different Team, Lamar dont impact a team like Artest does and Look at Indy with Arest they were title contenders without him a little better then a .500 club. Get off Lamars nuts
Okay, Lakers without Lamar wouldn't be a playoff team either. And Lakers did better than the Kings...What's your point? ::)...LMAO@Lamar don't impact teams like Artest...Anyone remember the Heat 2-3 years ago? Lamar LEAD that team, they made the 2nd round under him...Odom>Artest...Odom>AK47. Sorry man, that opinion is MORE than valid...PeACe
Dude Artest is WAYYY more valuable than Odom
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yeah i did know he came in as a PG, at Rhode Island he was the man he led them to the elite 8 his sr year and they lost to Stanford, so dont tell me im talking out of my ass...Ive always liked Lamar Odom, but he aint better then Artest, or AK 47. Look at the Kings when they got Artest Totally Different Team, Lamar dont impact a team like Artest does and Look at Indy with Arest they were title contenders without him a little better then a .500 club. Get off Lamars nuts
Okay, Lakers without Lamar wouldn't be a playoff team either. And Lakers did better than the Kings...What's your point? ::)...LMAO@Lamar don't impact teams like Artest...Anyone remember the Heat 2-3 years ago? Lamar LEAD that team, they made the 2nd round under him...Odom>Artest...Odom>AK47. Sorry man, that opinion is MORE than valid...PeACe
Dude Artest is WAYYY more valuable than Odom
LMAO@WAYYY. Slap yourself. Indiana was DYING to trade Artest for Odom...Lakers said NOOOOO WAY!...Maybe that's because Artest is WAYYY more valuable though, especially considering he's a head-case and all, but I wouldn't know... :-*
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yeah i did know he came in as a PG, at Rhode Island he was the man he led them to the elite 8 his sr year and they lost to Stanford, so dont tell me im talking out of my ass...Ive always liked Lamar Odom, but he aint better then Artest, or AK 47. Look at the Kings when they got Artest Totally Different Team, Lamar dont impact a team like Artest does and Look at Indy with Arest they were title contenders without him a little better then a .500 club. Get off Lamars nuts
Okay, Lakers without Lamar wouldn't be a playoff team either. And Lakers did better than the Kings...What's your point? ::)...LMAO@Lamar don't impact teams like Artest...Anyone remember the Heat 2-3 years ago? Lamar LEAD that team, they made the 2nd round under him...Odom>Artest...Odom>AK47. Sorry man, that opinion is MORE than valid...PeACe
Dude Artest is WAYYY more valuable than Odom
LMAO@WAYYY. Slap yourself. Indiana was DYING to trade Artest for Odom...Lakers said NOOOOO WAY!...Maybe that's because Artest is WAYYY more valuable though, especially considering he's a head-case and all, but I wouldn't know... :-*
Its funny you say that, cause last year if the Lakers would of switched Lamar w/ Ronnie you guys probably would of made the finals, thats how important Artest is. And of course we had some interest with Odom but Indy actually wanted peja and maggette more
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I dont understand how anyone can say Lamar is better than Artest. There are 2 sides of the game and on one of those sides Artest is the BEST in the whole league, he is the best defender in the game plus he averages 4-5 more points a game then Odom, how is he not better please tell me NIK.
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Kobe himself said he wanted Artest (and I'm sure he was aware that that would've ment trading L.O.). Indiana was dying to trade him because he wasn't playing. They were tired of his attitude, he was tired of being there - so trading him was best for everybody.
I don't know about Spice's comment about the Lakers makin it to the finals. Ronnie would've helped a lot by shutting down Tim Thomas, but let's not forget Odom made Marion his bitch. So that's for yall to discuss.
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Kobe himself said he wanted Artest (and I'm sure he was aware that that would've ment trading L.O.). Indiana was dying to trade him because he wasn't playing. They were tired of his attitude, he was tired of being there - so trading him was best for everybody.
I don't know about Spice's comment about the Lakers makin it to the finals. Ronnie would've helped a lot by shutting down Tim Thomas, but let's not forget Odom made Marion his bitch. So that's for yall to discuss.
I think Ronnie could of helped LA that much. Yeah and I love it when Kings fans rub it in the Pacers face how we gave them ronnie but we had to he stabbed us in our backs and wasnt playing we had to move on but he is a GREAT PLAYER. And yes Odom destroyed Marion in the playoffs but still overall imo Marion > Odom EASILY
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Cmon Nick just suck it up and admit Artest is better
Artest played half the year and was mentioned a few times as an MVP candidate as well as first team all nba defense, averaged more points as well.
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he wont admit it, he's just gonna talk about Odom and the triangle to prove you wrong ::)
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he wont admit it, he's just gonna talk about Odom and the triangle to prove you wrong ::)
yup
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Kobe himself said he wanted Artest (and I'm sure he was aware that that would've ment trading L.O.). Indiana was dying to trade him because he wasn't playing. They were tired of his attitude, he was tired of being there - so trading him was best for everybody.
I don't know about Spice's comment about the Lakers makin it to the finals. Ronnie would've helped a lot by shutting down Tim Thomas, but let's not forget Odom made Marion his bitch. So that's for yall to discuss.
I think Ronnie could of helped LA that much. Yeah and I love it when Kings fans rub it in the Pacers face how we gave them ronnie but we had to he stabbed us in our backs and wasnt playing we had to move on but he is a GREAT PLAYER. And yes Odom destroyed Marion in the playoffs but still overall imo Marion > Odom EASILY
You know what...I never noticed that he averages more points than Odom. That's sayin a lot because he plays tenacious defense EVERY night.
I'm a Lakers fan as well, but just because a player is successful at the triangle doesn't mean they're a better player.
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imo odom is better than marion in the triangle..marion pts come from transition baskets mainly, the suns are the perfect team for him, he wouldnt do good in a system type offense...he plays better D but cant dribble and create like odom and his shot is ugly. Artest > odom any day of the week, only problem with him is we dont know when he's gonna go crazy and do something retarded but i'd still take the chance with artest. he's aggresive can score, can post up down low and is a very underrated passer, the only thing odom has on artest is rebounding. artest wins this hands down cause he brings something defensively only a few have in this league
AK47 (when healthy, hasnt been in 2 years) > odom no doubt..he's a game changer, the weak side shot blocking he brings would put the lakers in the elite league defensively cause they lack that badly and he's aggressive going to the hoop not to mention his man D is very good.
so lets see, on a scale from 1-10 ima rate these 4
Rebounding||dribble\creating||Defense||scoring||hoop IQ
odom 9 8 6 5 5
marion 9 3 7.5 4.5 5
artest 7 7.5 10 6 7
Ak47 8 6 9.5 5 6
so its Artest>AK47>odom>marion..
as you can see i put a high emphasize on D..just the way i see it in order to win championships
also 3 SFs in this league that are close to odom and should be mentioned: prince, nocioni and josh howard
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yeah i did know he came in as a PG, at Rhode Island he was the man he led them to the elite 8 his sr year and they lost to Stanford, so dont tell me im talking out of my ass...Ive always liked Lamar Odom, but he aint better then Artest, or AK 47. Look at the Kings when they got Artest Totally Different Team, Lamar dont impact a team like Artest does and Look at Indy with Arest they were title contenders without him a little better then a .500 club. Get off Lamars nuts
Okay, Lakers without Lamar wouldn't be a playoff team either. And Lakers did better than the Kings...What's your point? ::)...LMAO@Lamar don't impact teams like Artest...Anyone remember the Heat 2-3 years ago? Lamar LEAD that team, they made the 2nd round under him...Odom>Artest...Odom>AK47. Sorry man, that opinion is MORE than valid...PeACe
Dude Artest is WAYYY more valuable than Odom
LMAO@WAYYY. Slap yourself. Indiana was DYING to trade Artest for Odom...Lakers said NOOOOO WAY!...Maybe that's because Artest is WAYYY more valuable though, especially considering he's a head-case and all, but I wouldn't know... :-*
Its funny you say that, cause last year if the Lakers would of switched Lamar w/ Ronnie you guys probably would of made the finals, thats how important Artest is. And of course we had some interest with Odom but Indy actually wanted peja and maggette more
LMFAO!!!! OMG...You really don't know basketball, do you? I mean, I thought you somewhat knew your shit, but this is ridiculous...You think Indiana wanted Peja more than Odom? DUDE, it's a KNOWN FACT that Indiana was trying their hardest to get Odom, he was their 1st option, they threw a few proposed packages the Lakers' way, Lakers were not having it, there was no way they were gunna give up Odom for a head-case...And LMFAO@Artest would help us make the finals...Sorry, but Odom was our main distributor, something Artest knows absolutely nothing about (as there was even a point in time where the Kings were upset because he kept demanding the offense run through him, despite shooting a horrific percentage). On top of that, the triangle takes AT LEAST a year to learn, for Artest, probably even longer...Your claims are outrageous and pathetic, at least the shit I say has some basis to it...PeACe
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I dont understand how anyone can say Lamar is better than Artest. There are 2 sides of the game and on one of those sides Artest is the BEST in the whole league, he is the best defender in the game plus he averages 4-5 more points a game then Odom, how is he not better please tell me NIK.
Artest is a defender, his offense is extremely shakey and he chucks a lot of shots, more than his team ever wants him to...he's not a complete player (ala Odom), check out his shooting percentage, he shot under 38% for the Kings!...That is PATHETIC. Based on percentages, Odom would average way more points than Artest if he was as selfish...PeACe
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Kobe himself said he wanted Artest (and I'm sure he was aware that that would've ment trading L.O.). Indiana was dying to trade him because he wasn't playing. They were tired of his attitude, he was tired of being there - so trading him was best for everybody.
I don't know about Spice's comment about the Lakers makin it to the finals. Ronnie would've helped a lot by shutting down Tim Thomas, but let's not forget Odom made Marion his bitch. So that's for yall to discuss.
Shows how much you know, Artest wouldn't have even been guarding Tim Thomas...Kobe and Phil both wanted Artest UNLESS it meant giving up Odom...They tried putting together packages of George/Mihm/1st pick for Artest etc, but Indiana simply wanted Odom, which there was no way they were getting...PeACe
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mentioned a few times as an MVP candidate
LMAO! By who? Since when does an MVP candidate shoot under 40% from the field?!
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You know what...I never noticed that he averages more points than Odom. That's sayin a lot because he plays tenacious defense EVERY night.
That's not saying a lot, Odom is extremely unselfish, while Artest was chucking up shots left and right, upsetting his teammates, shooting at a dreadful 38%. THAT'S saying a lot... :-X
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imo odom is better than marion in the triangle..marion pts come from transition baskets mainly, the suns are the perfect team for him, he wouldnt do good in a system type offense...he plays better D but cant dribble and create like odom and his shot is ugly. Artest > odom any day of the week, only problem with him is we dont know when he's gonna go crazy and do something retarded but i'd still take the chance with artest. he's aggresive can score, can post up down low and is a very underrated passer, the only thing odom has on artest is rebounding. artest wins this hands down cause he brings something defensively only a few have in this league
AK47 (when healthy, hasnt been in 2 years) > odom no doubt..he's a game changer, the weak side shot blocking he brings would put the lakers in the elite league defensively cause they lack that badly and he's aggressive going to the hoop not to mention his man D is very good.
so lets see, on a scale from 1-10 ima rate these 4
Rebounding||dribble\creating||Defense||scoring||hoop IQ
odom 9 8 6 5 5
marion 9 3 7.5 4.5 5
artest 7 7.5 10 6 7
Ak47 8 6 9.5 5 6
Wow man, you ain't as bad as the rest, but you got some major flaws in that...Marion is a horrible defender, he confuses you because he's good at picking up weak-side blocks, but his man-D is TERRIBLE, as Odom exposed in the playoffs...As for scoring, Odom is better at scoring than anyone on that list, he's just unselfish, unlike Artest, who will chuck shots despite his pathetic percentage...Now the biggest factor is HOOP IQ. I cannot believe you rated Odom lower than AK47 and Artest in hoop IQ, because this is one of the main things Odom is known for...He has a very strong basketball mind, he knows the spots on the court, knows how to play all positions, he basically has the mind of a point guard, which is MUCH more than I can say for the rest...And Marion? LMAO, Marion is a DUMBASS, how did you rate him the same a Odom in hoop IQ?...Next year, everyone will REALIZE...PeACe
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Wow man, you ain't as bad as the rest, but you got some major flaws in that...Marion is a horrible defender, he confuses you because he's good at picking up weak-side blocks, but his man-D is TERRIBLE, as Odom exposed in the playoffs
i dont think so..he's a better man defender than odom, he did a nice job when assigned on kobe..kobe had to take some tough shots vs him. Again i said he's not all that better than odom on D but is a notch better. odom can expose any SF when he's on the low block and odom played PF vs the suns. most teams will have bigger PFs defending odom. marion is the suns PF with Diaw playing center.
As for scoring, Odom is better at scoring than anyone on that list, he's just unselfish, unlike Artest, who will chuck shots despite his pathetic percentage
yes he's the best scorer and he's unselfish but isnt that in a way hurting the lakers?..kinda selfish(low IQ) for him to do that. artest is aggressive no doubt..he'll chuck up shots but i'd rather have that than a "odom type" dissapearing when he's most needed. i can remember numerous games where he dissappeard. we can look at percentages all we want. would you say wade is the better player than kobe because kobe shot 45% and wade closer to 50%? we know how dumb this argument is. btw artest is a 41% career shooter vs odoms 45%.
Now the biggest factor is HOOP IQ. I cannot believe you rated Odom lower than AK47 and Artest in hoop IQ, because this is one of the main things Odom is known for...He has a very strong basketball mind, he knows the spots on the court, knows how to play all positions, he basically has the mind of a point guard, which is MUCH more than I can say for the rest...And Marion? LMAO, Marion is a DUMBASS, how did you rate him the same a Odom in hoop IQ?...
again dribble penetration/assist does not equal hoop IQ, we all know odom has the POTENTIAL but what good is it when he'll never tap into it. Thats IQ, he doesnt have it, he'll never know how to run the TRI. i'd rather have a average pt that can dish out assist and run the point than a PF/SF.We laker fans remember when odom made some dumb decisions down the stretch and cost the lakers 3-4 games. TEX winter has said he'll like phil to take the ball outta odoms hands cause he aint living up to it. remember when walton was put in the lineup and the lakers did better? yeah thats cause it took the load off odom and he was back to his natural position of posting up..there goes the handles..also there was a quote from the LA times blog with tex winter saying how odom will probably never get it cause he cant cut to the hoop like pippen used to, (the Tri is about cutting and moving) he uses the same move cutting to the hoop instead of faking out the D etc..i'll try to find it if you'd like..it was good stuff.
Next year, everyone will REALIZE...PeACe
ima laker fan and i have nothing against lamar, i hope he'll change his ways and make us realize..he's a good person and a good bb player but i'd like him to live up to his potential..you dont have to take this personal
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^^You're obviously judging the old Lamar, before he broke out the second half of last season...Marion is a terrible defender, especially when it comes to guarding players his size or bigger...He gets burned so damn much, it's not even funny. To say Marion is a better defender than Odom is a joke...Wade shoots a higher percentage than Kobe because a).he doesn't shoot NEARLY as many threes and b).his reffing situation...Not the case with Artest. The Lamar I'm judging was the last Lamar we saw, the Lamar who closed out the season tremendously and carried his play into the playoffs... The one who was passive when we needed him to be and aggressive when it called for it...Disappearing when he's most needed is the old Odom, before he figured out the triangle...I read what Tex said about Odom, apparently, he's basically indicating that Odom should be used as a big, not that he can't play distributor, just that it's not his strongest asset...I'm not taking anything personal, just waiting till next season so that you can eat your words...Just like I did last season, I made everyone eat their words when April came rolling along...PeACe
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fair enough, i hope lamar makes me eat my words..yeah he did have a better 2nd half. if he can do that for the whole year..i'll be more than happy, i just hope he isnt the type of player that is incosistent throughout the season. like he might have a good first half then become the same lamar in the 2nd half or have a good month, bad month followed by a good month..just want some consistency outta him like he did in the 2nd half and i'll be happy..btw you can take a poll and marion isnt that far off from lamar but in the tri or any set offfensive system i'll take lamar any day of marion. if the lakers can get lamar to post up Sf's on a daily basis watch out but most teams dont have Marion type 6'7 PFs..they'll just put a 6'10 guy on odom down on the post. thats where vlad comes in..he can bring out the PF cause he can hit the shot or post up Sf's if they switch over with lamar taking a big to the hoop with his dribble or posting up sfs. thats why i like this vlad signing, mismatches in favor of the lakers (defensively its a different story, having lamar play the 4 might come back to haunt us, hopefully Team D will prevail ???). the mavs made a living with dirk being a mismatch last year...back to the topic ;D
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fair enough, i hope lamar makes me eat my words..yeah he did have a better 2nd half. if he can do that for the whole year..i'll be more than happy, i just hope he isnt the type of player that is incosistent throughout the season. like he might have a good first half then become the same lamar in the 2nd half or have a good month, bad month followed by a good month..just want some consistency outta him like he did in the 2nd half and i'll be happy..btw you can take a poll and marion isnt that far off from lamar but in the tri or any set offfensive system i'll take lamar any day of marion. if the lakers can get lamar to post up Sf's on a daily basis watch out but most teams dont have Marion type 6'7 PFs..they'll just put a 6'10 guy on odom down on the post. thats where vlad comes in..he can bring out the PF cause he can hit the shot or post up Sf's if they switch over with lamar taking a big to the hoop with his dribble or posting up sfs. thats why i like this vlad signing, mismatches in favor of the lakers (defensively its a different story, having lamar play the 4 might come back to haunt us, hopefully Team D will prevail ???). the mavs made a living with dirk being a mismatch last year...back to the topic ;D
Odom can guard the 4 spot...I mean, he's not amazing at defending bigs, but he's no Shawn Marion either... ;D Anyways, I think Odom is over the inconsistancy slump, now that he fully understands the triangle...I expect an all-star season from Lamar, nothing less...PeAcE
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NIK youre the only that believes that ODOM is better then Artest...I dont care about 38% shooting look at how the Kings played when they got Artest....Artest has better numbers then Odom too, which doesnt even matter in my eyes...its Impact NIK IMPACT..you cant say Odom has more Impact on his team then Artest...thats just bein Biased....Someone proves you wrong...You get all mad call them an idiot Laugh your ass then say they have no point to what they are saying...If you werent a Lakers fan you wouldnt say Odom>Artest.....Thats the bottom line. LAKER BIAS!
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NIK youre the only that believes that ODOM is better then Artest...I dont care about 38% shooting look at how the Kings played when they got Artest....Artest has better numbers then Odom too, which doesnt even matter in my eyes...its Impact NIK IMPACT..you cant say Odom has more Impact on his team then Artest...thats just bein Biased....Someone proves you wrong...You get all mad call them an idiot Laugh your ass then say they have no point to what they are saying...If you werent a Lakers fan you wouldnt say Odom>Artest.....Thats the bottom line. LAKER BIAS!
Again NIK knows his shit but he is flat out wrong and biased here. Believe me as a diehard pacer fan and as someone who watched the Kings last year I know the impact Artest has and it is HUGE! Thats why it kills me that it didnt work out with Jermaine and Ronnie although it was Ron's fault but anyways with those 2 on the same team I honestly expected a win every game and with the Kings in the 2nd half of the year they had a top 5 record in the league!! NIK remember how pathetic the Kings were 1st half? They were dead in the water and Artest brought them to contention and Odom couldnt do that. Artest >>>>>>> Odom
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NIK youre the only that believes that ODOM is better then Artest...I dont care about 38% shooting look at how the Kings played when they got Artest....Artest has better numbers then Odom too, which doesnt even matter in my eyes...its Impact NIK IMPACT..you cant say Odom has more Impact on his team then Artest...thats just bein Biased....Someone proves you wrong...You get all mad call them an idiot Laugh your ass then say they have no point to what they are saying...If you werent a Lakers fan you wouldnt say Odom>Artest.....Thats the bottom line. LAKER BIAS!
Again NIK knows his shit but he is flat out wrong and biased here. Believe me as a diehard pacer fan and as someone who watched the Kings last year I know the impact Artest has and it is HUGE! Thats why it kills me that it didnt work out with Jermaine and Ronnie although it was Ron's fault but anyways with those 2 on the same team I honestly expected a win every game and with the Kings in the 2nd half of the year they had a top 5 record in the league!! NIK remember how pathetic the Kings were 1st half? They were dead in the water and Artest brought them to contention and Odom couldnt do that. Artest >>>>>>> Odom
Nik you cant argue that, but youll find some stat about ODOM in the 4th qrts of games with his white jersey on or something like that....Cant wait to hear his response to this and it will start off with LMAO, NIK is so predictable... :-\
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NIK youre the only that believes that ODOM is better then Artest...I dont care about 38% shooting look at how the Kings played when they got Artest....Artest has better numbers then Odom too, which doesnt even matter in my eyes...its Impact NIK IMPACT..you cant say Odom has more Impact on his team then Artest...thats just bein Biased....Someone proves you wrong...You get all mad call them an idiot Laugh your ass then say they have no point to what they are saying...If you werent a Lakers fan you wouldnt say Odom>Artest.....Thats the bottom line. LAKER BIAS!
You're being an idiot...It's a matter of opinion, I believe that if you added a player like Lamar to the Kings last season, they also woulda' made the playoffs...Lots of analysts have placed Odom over Artest, shut the fuck up, and stop making dumb claims...PeACe
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NIK youre the only that believes that ODOM is better then Artest...I dont care about 38% shooting look at how the Kings played when they got Artest....Artest has better numbers then Odom too, which doesnt even matter in my eyes...its Impact NIK IMPACT..you cant say Odom has more Impact on his team then Artest...thats just bein Biased....Someone proves you wrong...You get all mad call them an idiot Laugh your ass then say they have no point to what they are saying...If you werent a Lakers fan you wouldnt say Odom>Artest.....Thats the bottom line. LAKER BIAS!
Again NIK knows his shit but he is flat out wrong and biased here. Believe me as a diehard pacer fan and as someone who watched the Kings last year I know the impact Artest has and it is HUGE! Thats why it kills me that it didnt work out with Jermaine and Ronnie although it was Ron's fault but anyways with those 2 on the same team I honestly expected a win every game and with the Kings in the 2nd half of the year they had a top 5 record in the league!! NIK remember how pathetic the Kings were 1st half? They were dead in the water and Artest brought them to contention and Odom couldnt do that. Artest >>>>>>> Odom
Like I said, Odom on last years Kings woulda' made the playoffs as well...Kings weren't THAT out of it when Artest joined, what were they, like a 10th seed? He helped them defensively, but disrupted the offense, they got bounced in the first round, when they had a nice chance to advance. Your claim of Artest being that much greater than Odom is way more outrageous than anything I have ever said...PeACe
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IMO Odom > Artest. Odom can do great team defence, he can rebounds, he can do assists, he can even score 20+ points, he can drive inside, shoot outside, he can handle the ball, he can run or finish the fast breaks. Plus he can play 5 roles on the floor. He's like the perfect player. But sometimes he lacks on concentration, he's menthally not prepared for the game, he doesnt play like he could and he should, he hides himself from the game, offensively he's not an impact and he got outplayed. Artest is the opposite. He's less talentuous than Odom, he can't do all the things Odom can do, but menthally he's a monster! He dominates the other players menthally, he's a true leader, he makes thought shots, he battles. So it's true that Artest makes a better impact on a (wack) team, since he has that natural attitude to lead the team. But tecnically Odom > Artest. Phil just needs to work on Odom's mind a lot. Odom is not a leader like Artest, he's not a go to guy, he's not the best player on his team, but as a co-leader he can dominate too. I'm with him. (but i love Artest too).
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NIK youre the only that believes that ODOM is better then Artest...I dont care about 38% shooting look at how the Kings played when they got Artest....Artest has better numbers then Odom too, which doesnt even matter in my eyes...its Impact NIK IMPACT..you cant say Odom has more Impact on his team then Artest...thats just bein Biased....Someone proves you wrong...You get all mad call them an idiot Laugh your ass then say they have no point to what they are saying...If you werent a Lakers fan you wouldnt say Odom>Artest.....Thats the bottom line. LAKER BIAS!
You're being an idiot...It's a matter of opinion, I believe that if you added a player like Lamar to the Kings last season, they also woulda' made the playoffs...Lots of analysts have placed Odom over Artest, shut the fuck up, and stop making dumb claims...PeACe
What analyst?? analyst talked about Artest for MVP (KENNY SMITH AND GREG ANTHONY) nobody ever mentioned ODOM For MVP..And ur calling me and idiot cuz youre getting frustrated, cuz you know ODOM isnt what Artest is..but youre right its ALL OPINION, but then why call me an idiot..IMO ARTEST>>>>>>>>>>>>>ODOM....MY OPINION...
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IMO Odom > Artest. Odom can do great team defence, he can rebounds, he can do assists, he can even score 20+ points, he can drive inside, shoot outside, he can handle the ball, he can run or finish the fast breaks. Plus he can play 5 roles on the floor. He's like the perfect player. But sometimes he lacks on concentration, he's menthally not prepared for the game, he doesnt play like he could and he should, he hides himself from the game, offensively he's not an impact and he got outplayed. Artest is the opposite. He's less talentuous than Odom, he can't do all the things Odom can do, but menthally he's a monster! He dominates the other players menthally, he's a true leader, he makes thought shots, he battles. So it's true that Artest makes a better impact on a (wack) team, since he has that natural attitude to lead the team. But tecnically Odom > Artest. Phil just needs to work on Odom's mind a lot. Odom is not a leader like Artest, he's not a go to guy, he's not the best player on his team, but as a co-leader he can dominate too. I'm with him. (but i love Artest too).
wow that was extremely dumb, read what you wrote again, you basically said artest is better w/out saying it lol, watch more ball man
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IMO Odom > Artest. Odom can do great team defence, he can rebounds, he can do assists, he can even score 20+ points, he can drive inside, shoot outside, he can handle the ball, he can run or finish the fast breaks. Plus he can play 5 roles on the floor. He's like the perfect player. But sometimes he lacks on concentration, he's menthally not prepared for the game, he doesnt play like he could and he should, he hides himself from the game, offensively he's not an impact and he got outplayed. Artest is the opposite. He's less talentuous than Odom, he can't do all the things Odom can do, but menthally he's a monster! He dominates the other players menthally, he's a true leader, he makes thought shots, he battles. So it's true that Artest makes a better impact on a (wack) team, since he has that natural attitude to lead the team. But tecnically Odom > Artest. Phil just needs to work on Odom's mind a lot. Odom is not a leader like Artest, he's not a go to guy, he's not the best player on his team, but as a co-leader he can dominate too. I'm with him. (but i love Artest too).
wow that was extremely dumb, read what you wrote again, you basically said artest is better w/out saying it lol, watch more ball man
yeah what a stupid post that was....Technically huh?? is Peyton Manning Technically better then Tom Brady too?? ::)
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IMO Odom > Artest. Odom can do great team defence, he can rebounds, he can do assists, he can even score 20+ points, he can drive inside, shoot outside, he can handle the ball, he can run or finish the fast breaks. Plus he can play 5 roles on the floor. He's like the perfect player. But sometimes he lacks on concentration, he's menthally not prepared for the game, he doesnt play like he could and he should, he hides himself from the game, offensively he's not an impact and he got outplayed. Artest is the opposite. He's less talentuous than Odom, he can't do all the things Odom can do, but menthally he's a monster! He dominates the other players menthally, he's a true leader, he makes thought shots, he battles. So it's true that Artest makes a better impact on a (wack) team, since he has that natural attitude to lead the team. But tecnically Odom > Artest. Phil just needs to work on Odom's mind a lot. Odom is not a leader like Artest, he's not a go to guy, he's not the best player on his team, but as a co-leader he can dominate too. I'm with him. (but i love Artest too).
wow that was extremely dumb, read what you wrote again, you basically said artest is better w/out saying it lol, watch more ball man
yeah what a stupid post that was....Technically huh?? is Peyton Manning Technically better then Tom Brady too?? ::)
and he called the kings wack lol i promise nect year SAC > LA
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NIK youre the only that believes that ODOM is better then Artest...I dont care about 38% shooting look at how the Kings played when they got Artest....Artest has better numbers then Odom too, which doesnt even matter in my eyes...its Impact NIK IMPACT..you cant say Odom has more Impact on his team then Artest...thats just bein Biased....Someone proves you wrong...You get all mad call them an idiot Laugh your ass then say they have no point to what they are saying...If you werent a Lakers fan you wouldnt say Odom>Artest.....Thats the bottom line. LAKER BIAS!
Again NIK knows his shit but he is flat out wrong and biased here. Believe me as a diehard pacer fan and as someone who watched the Kings last year I know the impact Artest has and it is HUGE! Thats why it kills me that it didnt work out with Jermaine and Ronnie although it was Ron's fault but anyways with those 2 on the same team I honestly expected a win every game and with the Kings in the 2nd half of the year they had a top 5 record in the league!! NIK remember how pathetic the Kings were 1st half? They were dead in the water and Artest brought them to contention and Odom couldnt do that. Artest >>>>>>> Odom
Like I said, Odom on last years Kings woulda' made the playoffs as well...Kings weren't THAT out of it when Artest joined, what were they, like a 10th seed? He helped them defensively, but disrupted the offense, they got bounced in the first round, when they had a nice chance to advance. Your claim of Artest being that much greater than Odom is way more outrageous than anything I have ever said...PeACe
Before they had Artest they were 19-27 they were fuckin out of it!!! They may have not been out of it in the standings but they were OUT OF IT! they had no chance...And how did he disrupst the offense besides two games against the Spurs in the playoffs the Kings put up over 100....and thats a very good defense...Odom would not have had the impact that Artest did, Odom doesnt bring toughness, he bring pure talent and versatility...Ask any Gm who theyd rather have Artest or Odom and I promise you they would say Ronnie! Some Experts had the Pacers winning it all before the year and had Artest winning the MVP...How many Votes went to ODOM?? GO ahead NIK Tell me im making stupid claims....
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NIK youre the only that believes that ODOM is better then Artest...I dont care about 38% shooting look at how the Kings played when they got Artest....Artest has better numbers then Odom too, which doesnt even matter in my eyes...its Impact NIK IMPACT..you cant say Odom has more Impact on his team then Artest...thats just bein Biased....Someone proves you wrong...You get all mad call them an idiot Laugh your ass then say they have no point to what they are saying...If you werent a Lakers fan you wouldnt say Odom>Artest.....Thats the bottom line. LAKER BIAS!
Again NIK knows his shit but he is flat out wrong and biased here. Believe me as a diehard pacer fan and as someone who watched the Kings last year I know the impact Artest has and it is HUGE! Thats why it kills me that it didnt work out with Jermaine and Ronnie although it was Ron's fault but anyways with those 2 on the same team I honestly expected a win every game and with the Kings in the 2nd half of the year they had a top 5 record in the league!! NIK remember how pathetic the Kings were 1st half? They were dead in the water and Artest brought them to contention and Odom couldnt do that. Artest >>>>>>> Odom
Like I said, Odom on last years Kings woulda' made the playoffs as well...Kings weren't THAT out of it when Artest joined, what were they, like a 10th seed? He helped them defensively, but disrupted the offense, they got bounced in the first round, when they had a nice chance to advance. Your claim of Artest being that much greater than Odom is way more outrageous than anything I have ever said...PeACe
Before they had Artest they were 19-27 they were fuckin out of it!!! They may have not been out of it in the standings but they were OUT OF IT! they had no chance...And how did he disrupst the offense besides two games against the Spurs in the playoffs the Kings put up over 100....and thats a very good defense...Odom would not have had the impact that Artest did, Odom doesnt bring toughness, he bring pure talent and versatility...Ask any Gm who theyd rather have Artest or Odom and I promise you they would say Ronnie! Some Experts had the Pacers winning it all before the year and had Artest winning the MVP...How many Votes went to ODOM?? GO ahead NIK Tell me im making stupid claims....
real talk
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IMO Odom > Artest. Odom can do great team defence, he can rebounds, he can do assists, he can even score 20+ points, he can drive inside, shoot outside, he can handle the ball, he can run or finish the fast breaks. Plus he can play 5 roles on the floor. He's like the perfect player. But sometimes he lacks on concentration, he's menthally not prepared for the game, he doesnt play like he could and he should, he hides himself from the game, offensively he's not an impact and he got outplayed. Artest is the opposite. He's less talentuous than Odom, he can't do all the things Odom can do, but menthally he's a monster! He dominates the other players menthally, he's a true leader, he makes thought shots, he battles. So it's true that Artest makes a better impact on a (wack) team, since he has that natural attitude to lead the team. But tecnically Odom > Artest. Phil just needs to work on Odom's mind a lot. Odom is not a leader like Artest, he's not a go to guy, he's not the best player on his team, but as a co-leader he can dominate too. I'm with him. (but i love Artest too).
wow that was extremely dumb, read what you wrote again, you basically said artest is better w/out saying it lol, watch more ball man
yeah what a stupid post that was....Technically huh?? is Peyton Manning Technically better then Tom Brady too?? ::)
Sorry, it was too difficult for you two. I'll write it again in a few simple words. They are two different players. Artest is a leader, a franchise player, an All-Star type of player. You acquire him to build a team around him. Odom is more a role player, not a "real" superstar. He's not a leader, not a franchise player, he's more a team-player. So since the Lakers already have Kobe as the leader and since they need role/team players to fit well in the triangle, i'd select Odom over Artest. Even if Artest is better 1on1. Instead, if i had to build a new team from 0, i'd select Artest, and i'd build a team around him. Get it now? I go with Odom CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE KOBE. P.S. I like Radmanovic. He's another guy who isn't a franchise type of player, but he's perfect for the triangle. Smush + Kobe + Odom + Radmanovic + Brown looks perfect for a triangle system. We don't need Artest.
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IMO Odom > Artest. Odom can do great team defence, he can rebounds, he can do assists, he can even score 20+ points, he can drive inside, shoot outside, he can handle the ball, he can run or finish the fast breaks. Plus he can play 5 roles on the floor. He's like the perfect player. But sometimes he lacks on concentration, he's menthally not prepared for the game, he doesnt play like he could and he should, he hides himself from the game, offensively he's not an impact and he got outplayed. Artest is the opposite. He's less talentuous than Odom, he can't do all the things Odom can do, but menthally he's a monster! He dominates the other players menthally, he's a true leader, he makes thought shots, he battles. So it's true that Artest makes a better impact on a (wack) team, since he has that natural attitude to lead the team. But tecnically Odom > Artest. Phil just needs to work on Odom's mind a lot. Odom is not a leader like Artest, he's not a go to guy, he's not the best player on his team, but as a co-leader he can dominate too. I'm with him. (but i love Artest too).
wow that was extremely dumb, read what you wrote again, you basically said artest is better w/out saying it lol, watch more ball man
yeah what a stupid post that was....Technically huh?? is Peyton Manning Technically better then Tom Brady too?? ::)
and he called the kings wack lol i promise nect year SAC > LA
To be precise I said Artest made a great impact on a wack team like the pre-Artest Kings.
And you can't deny the fact they sucked.
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NIK youre the only that believes that ODOM is better then Artest...I dont care about 38% shooting look at how the Kings played when they got Artest....Artest has better numbers then Odom too, which doesnt even matter in my eyes...its Impact NIK IMPACT..you cant say Odom has more Impact on his team then Artest...thats just bein Biased....Someone proves you wrong...You get all mad call them an idiot Laugh your ass then say they have no point to what they are saying...If you werent a Lakers fan you wouldnt say Odom>Artest.....Thats the bottom line. LAKER BIAS!
Again NIK knows his shit but he is flat out wrong and biased here. Believe me as a diehard pacer fan and as someone who watched the Kings last year I know the impact Artest has and it is HUGE! Thats why it kills me that it didnt work out with Jermaine and Ronnie although it was Ron's fault but anyways with those 2 on the same team I honestly expected a win every game and with the Kings in the 2nd half of the year they had a top 5 record in the league!! NIK remember how pathetic the Kings were 1st half? They were dead in the water and Artest brought them to contention and Odom couldnt do that. Artest >>>>>>> Odom
Like I said, Odom on last years Kings woulda' made the playoffs as well...Kings weren't THAT out of it when Artest joined, what were they, like a 10th seed? He helped them defensively, but disrupted the offense, they got bounced in the first round, when they had a nice chance to advance. Your claim of Artest being that much greater than Odom is way more outrageous than anything I have ever said...PeACe
Before they had Artest they were 19-27 they were fuckin out of it!!! They may have not been out of it in the standings but they were OUT OF IT! they had no chance...And how did he disrupst the offense besides two games against the Spurs in the playoffs the Kings put up over 100....and thats a very good defense...Odom would not have had the impact that Artest did, Odom doesnt bring toughness, he bring pure talent and versatility...Ask any Gm who theyd rather have Artest or Odom and I promise you they would say Ronnie! Some Experts had the Pacers winning it all before the year and had Artest winning the MVP...How many Votes went to ODOM?? GO ahead NIK Tell me im making stupid claims....
You are. When you say things like "Ask any Gm who theyd rather have Artest or Odom and I promise you they would say Ronnie!" you're forgetting the fact only Phil Jackson plays triangle in the League, and he needs particular players who fits well in his system. I'm sure he'd rather have Odom and Radmanovic over Artest.
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NIK youre the only that believes that ODOM is better then Artest...I dont care about 38% shooting look at how the Kings played when they got Artest....Artest has better numbers then Odom too, which doesnt even matter in my eyes...its Impact NIK IMPACT..you cant say Odom has more Impact on his team then Artest...thats just bein Biased....Someone proves you wrong...You get all mad call them an idiot Laugh your ass then say they have no point to what they are saying...If you werent a Lakers fan you wouldnt say Odom>Artest.....Thats the bottom line. LAKER BIAS!
You're being an idiot...It's a matter of opinion, I believe that if you added a player like Lamar to the Kings last season, they also woulda' made the playoffs...Lots of analysts have placed Odom over Artest, shut the fuck up, and stop making dumb claims...PeACe
What analyst?? analyst talked about Artest for MVP (KENNY SMITH AND GREG ANTHONY) nobody ever mentioned ODOM For MVP..And ur calling me and idiot cuz youre getting frustrated, cuz you know ODOM isnt what Artest is..but youre right its ALL OPINION, but then why call me an idiot..IMO ARTEST>>>>>>>>>>>>>ODOM....MY OPINION...
I'm calling you an idiot because you (along with Spicemuthafuckin1 ) are acting like my opinion is invalid for some reason, which is completely moronic...I've seen so many people place Odom above Artest, including the whole Laker organization. Tex Winter was brought up in this thread, Tex Winter himself put Odom above Artest...Shit, Pacers were proposing a trade of Artest & Croshere for Odom, despite the fact that Odom ALREADY makes so much more $$ than Artest...I'm not saying you're being an idiot for claiming Artest is better, I'm saying you're being an idiot for your approach towards my OPINION...PeACe
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Ask any Gm who theyd rather have Artest or Odom and I promise you they would say Ronnie!
LMAO! Is that why it was so fucking tough for the Pacers to trade him?...Come on now, we all know Artest is a good player, but the claims you're making are outrageous and you have nothing to back them...I already know of GMs who would take Odom over Artest off the top of my head, and that includes our very own...If you're gunna make bold claims, make sure they're valid...Artest wasn't anywhere near MVP caliber, some people just like to exaggerate stuff, he would have been a worse choice than Nash!...Good thing he didn't get any votes.