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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Layeth THe Smacketh Down on July 19, 2007, 01:12:30 PM
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This guy basically laid the foundation for the popularity of gangsta rap. He put Dre & Cube on the scene with N.W.A. Started one of the first independently owned successful rap labels. Its not a far stretch to say that there wouldn't have been a Deathrow, a huge westcoast hip hop scene or the entire genre of gangsta rap at all if it wasn't for Eazy helping to popularize it with N.W.A. This guy played such an instrumental role in the history of hip hop, but yet to a lot of people he is merely a joke or an after thought. Deceased rappers are often paid tribute too on a constant basis, even the ones with very little commercial success, but before The Game came along nobody mentioned this cat, not even rappers from the westcoast. Why do you think Eazy doesn't get his props? A lot of people think its because of the way he died. I think that played a part in it, but ultimately I think the main reason is because of that Dre Day video. Anyone who was around at the time can attest to the fact that in the mid 90s the coolest thing in hip hop was Snoop Dogg and Deathrow. In the Dre Day video they clowned the fuck out of Eazy and made him look comical. It became uncool to like Eazy. If a young kid said he liked Eazy he would get just about the same treatment a person would get for saying they liked Vanilla Ice or M.C Hammer. Sadly for a lot of people the last image they have of Eazy is the character in that Dre Day video.
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I think a lot of people view Eazy as more of a hustler, street person rather than an actual hip hop artist. Some see him as a character that was given words by Cube and beats by Dre, so in some ways was a creation of those two, rather than the other way around...not that I agree with it.
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Nice Topic! 8)
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because he didnt got shot to death
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i think 1)the way he died, 2)the way dre & snoop schooled him so bad there was NO comeback worthy, 3) he dicked over a lot of people i.e. all of N.W.A & 4)he hired paperboy to rap his verses and then he re-recorded the shits with paper's flow?-he would have been better served if he would have never recorded anything after efil4saggin. I know a lot of new school cats like some of the newer shit but the true schoolers, know that his best days were behind him once dre & ren left.
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i think 1)the way he died, 2)the way dre & snoop schooled him so bad there was NO comeback worthy, 3) he dicked over a lot of people i.e. all of N.W.A & 4)he hired paperboy to rap his verses and then he re-recorded the shits with paper's flow?-he would have been better served if he would have never recorded anything after efil4saggin. I know a lot of new school cats like some of the newer shit but the true schoolers, know that his best days were behind him once dre & ren left.
I mean that's really the main reasons, #3 being the biggest. With #2, it's not even that they dissed him that much worst than he got them, because many true west coast fans, especially on here, feel that Eazy dissed them harder and better. Even on the Top 100 songs list I did by taking you all's votes, Real Mothaphuckin G'z was rated higher than Dre Day from what I remember.
And as I read in XXL or one of those Mags that had a special on him....they said it best....Eazy didn't get as much praise overall because he really wasn't one of the most talented rappers around, even then. He was based on personality, dope beats, style, image, and all that...but as a straight up rapper, most of the ones who died were clearly better as rappers.
Overall, he got killed before it was cool to die. Pac and then Big made dying the shit. [/sarcasm]
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I think a lot of people view Eazy as more of a hustler, street person rather than an actual hip hop artist. Some see him as a character that was given words by Cube and beats by Dre, so in some ways was a creation of those two, rather than the other way around...not that I agree with it.
co-sign
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yea i think because he didnt get shot to death it made him seem not as much of a gangsta as 2pac or somethin. i did think he got dre and snoop harder than they got him
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because he didnt got shot to death
i think 1)the way he died, 2)the way dre & snoop schooled him so bad there was NO comeback worthy, 3) he dicked over a lot of people i.e. all of N.W.A & 4)he hired paperboy to rap his verses and then he re-recorded the shits with paper's flow?-he would have been better served if he would have never recorded anything after efil4saggin. I know a lot of new school cats like some of the newer shit but the true schoolers, know that his best days were behind him once dre & ren left.
Those are great points. He didn't die "street style," he had a disease taht even today (excluding Magic) still has a stigma on it. You can even make the argument for Big Pun, however Pun has gotten considerably more love since he's died, compared to E.
I agree with Rtistic, in that the disses IMO, were pretty even, and it was afterall, the Golden Age of Westcoast hip hop at the time aswell.
But props to Eihts Biggest Fan, I never knew that Paperboy would record the track, and Eazy would rap Pape's flow on his record.
Does anybody know exactly what records were Paperboy flows?
Was it that EP he put out, or does it include Str8 Off The Streetz?
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i4)he hired paperboy to rap his verses and then he re-recorded the shits with paper's flow?
I remember reading in a magazine back in '94 that Paperboy was in the studio with E, so there's gonna be a Paperboy feature on his new album.....maybe this is what Paperboy was doing.
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cause he wasnt a good rapper
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This guy basically laid the foundation for the popularity of gangsta rap. He put Dre & Cube on the scene with N.W.A. Started one of the first independently owned successful rap labels. Its not a far stretch to say that there wouldn't have been a Deathrow, a huge westcoast hip hop scene or the entire genre of gangsta rap at all if it wasn't for Eazy helping to popularize it with N.W.A. This guy played such an instrumental role in the history of hip hop, but yet to a lot of people he is merely a joke or an after thought. Deceased rappers are often paid tribute too on a constant basis, even the ones with very little commercial success, but before The Game came along nobody mentioned this cat, not even rappers from the westcoast. Why do you think Eazy doesn't get his props? A lot of people think its because of the way he died. I think that played a part in it, but ultimately I think the main reason is because of that Dre Day video. Anyone who was around at the time can attest to the fact that in the mid 90s the coolest thing in hip hop was Snoop Dogg and Deathrow. In the Dre Day video they clowned the fuck out of Eazy and made him look comical. It became uncool to like Eazy. If a young kid said he liked Eazy he would get just about the same treatment a person would get for saying they liked Vanilla Ice or M.C Hammer. Sadly for a lot of people the last image they have of Eazy is the character in that Dre Day video.
its like what about mausberg, billboard, and mac-dre
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I Like Snoop and Dre but "Real muthaFuckin Gz" is fuckin KILLER!
It was not a commercial success like "Dre Day" but it was a better Diss track.
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i think game is doin his part in givin eazy his props......
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I think that it's four simple letters... A.I.D.S.
Rappers and people in general are scared of "the germ".
Cause in reality the dude was "gangster", something a lot of these rappers wish or portray themselves to really be. So, I'm not too sure that just because Dr. Dre and Snoop dissed the shit out of him or because he shitted on Dre and Cube, because you never hear Yella or Ren dissin' him, can really make others not give him his props.
I think that these are all factors but I would say IMO that about 95% of it is just that the man died from A.I.D.S. ...and no matter where you come from that just isn't a "cool" way to die, in fact it's scary.
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I've always wondered that myself. He started this gangsta shiet...and this the muthafuckin thanks he gets?
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Cus he didn't have any real talent.
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Man Eazy Was the Shit!
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Because to praise him as a rapper you would have to include the writing skills of Cube and others. But as a businessman and pioneer of gangsta rap that legacy is set in stone. Shrewd as he was or not.
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Jerry Heller raised a good point, if Eazy and Heller had screwed them over like they said then why didn't they ever sue Ruthless?
Now Cube has been called out for the same shit he called Eazy on.
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Bone Thugs did a sloppy job of praising Eazy on their shit after he passed away.
I think they showed him in their crossroads video for two seconds.
Tomika has failed E miserably, made no dope out of the shit E had left.
'Str8 off the muthafuckin streets of Compton' album, that wack video for the single was pathetic.
That corny E.P. she released of unreleased Eazy material was wack as fuck.
Even MC Ren said how can you have such wack beats is disgraceful, THATS FUCKIN EAZY E!
Yella tried his best to give props to Eazy by dedicating 'one mo nigga to go' to him.
Cube, Dre have dropped a few cool words or lines about E here n there.
Ren's first single of his last solo lp had E running around in a grave yard killin people! ;D
But it's Game who by himself revived Eazy E's name in the rap game in recent years.
From talkin about him in interviews to remixing dope songs with E on them...
It's on Eazy's son now.
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fucc what ya heard..Eazy-E was a real G.
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fucc what ya heard..Eazy-E was a real G.
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cause he wasnt a good rapper
Coming from someone with a diplomat avy and cassidy/joe budden signature, to me its funny
Cus he didn't have any real talent.
Except setting up Ruthless Records and introducing artists like Dre, Cube, Kokane, Above The Law, BG Knoccout & Dresta,... yeah no talent
And even if his CEO position dont count, how can we say he got no talent as a rapper? tracks like "Boyz N The Hood", "Eazy-Duz-It", "Real Muthaphuckin Gz", "Any Last Werdz" are certified classic
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cause he wasnt a good rapper
Coming from someone with a diplomat avy and cassidy/joe budden signature, to me its funny
Cus he didn't have any real talent.
Except setting up Ruthless Records and introducing artists like Dre, Cube, Kokane, Above The Law, BG Knoccout & Dresta,... yeah no talent
And even if his CEO position dont count, how can we say he got no talent as a rapper? tracks like "Boyz N The Hood", "Eazy-Duz-It", "Real Muthaphuckin Gz", "Any Last Werdz" are certified classic
I don't think anyone disputes all that Eazy E has done for gangsta rap and music in general, but from a rapping standpoint it is a known fact he had ghostwriters for most of his hits, especially with NWA. Same with Dr. Dre. Music wise he has contributed alot, but as a rapper, he also had alot of ghostwriters and for me I can't put a rapper up with the greats if they have their hits written by someone else.
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Bone Thugs did a sloppy job of praising Eazy on their shit after he passed away.
I think they showed him in their crossroads video for two seconds.
Sorry homie but that's a bunch of bull-shit. Bone Thugs were the only ones reppin for Eazy for the longest when nobody else would. Way before anybody knew about Game (eventhough Game did rep hard for Eazy but I'm just sayin). Bone has repped for Eazy on every one of thier albums up 2 this day. They know if it wasn't for Eazy, they wouldn't be here and they give credit 2 him every single time. For reals, name another artist that repped Eazy as hard as Bone since his death all the way up 2 this day. Yella released an album dedicated 2 him and that was it, Kokane & Above The Law haven't mentioned him for years, BG Knoccout was in prision, and Dresta hasn't done shit up until last year I believe and he was tryna take credit for discovering Bone which is BS.
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one of the reaons is the way he died (like other dudes said). His death offers no room for conspiracy theories.
He was a cool rapper, but I can't see his as a true artist (Ghostwriter...) and that's why he doesn't get the same fame like Pac and B.I.G., besides the fact that he was not commercial enough to be a star.
People who don't listen to rap/US Rap don't know him, but everybody knows Pac/Eazy. That's why it isn't popular to shout out Eazy
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But it's Game who by himself revived Eazy E's name in the rap game in recent years.
From talkin about him in interviews to remixing dope songs with E on them...
Yeah Eazy is that nigga. But since Lil Eazy started frontin Game hasn't been
talking bout him that much recently. Which is sad, cuz he was only uppin him
and giving him the praise he deserved. But oh well, can't do much about that.
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cause he wasnt a good rapper
Ok coming from someone with Cassidy in his sig. This person always has the worst opinions ever.
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Eazy E is plain gangsta.. i dont care if his shit was ghostwritten or not.. because his voice is wat is appealing.... eazy-e is gangsta... thats all that matters
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I dunno where yall at. But i dont remember it bein "uncool" to like Eazy just because Dre Day came out. Yeah Dre and Snoop was at the top of the charts, but Eazy was always keepin it G. All the real muthafuckas was always givin it up for Eazy and he was always way more respected in the hood then Dre was. He just wasnt as commercial. Like others on here say, he just didnt die in a "cool" way. Somehow fans get it twisted and think if you get shot youre a thug. And that only confirms that you are what you say you are on your records. But thats some silly shit considering he was more about that lifestyle then Pac or BIG was. I can understand how regular fans dont give it up as much, cus to be real "fans" can be bullshit sometimes. They like the exciting story and shit they can be overdramatic about. What i cant understand is how Hip Hop hasnt paid him more respect. If it wasnt for Eazy, Cube, Ren...shit, even Dre...and a lot of others at that time...who knows what course Hip Hop would have taken.
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one of the reaons is the way he died (like other dudes said). His death offers no room for conspiracy theories.
He was a cool rapper, but I can't see his as a true artist (Ghostwriter...) and that's why he doesn't get the same fame like Pac and B.I.G., besides the fact that he was not commercial enough to be a star.
People who don't listen to rap/US Rap don't know him, but everybody knows Pac/Eazy. That's why it isn't popular to shout out Eazy
How many artists over the last 15 years would you say have had ghostwriters? Its true, i dont like that shit either. Ive always written my own shit, so i appreciate what goes into it. But theres way more muthafuckas out there spittin somebody elses words then youd think.
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The reason why Eazy-E was not shouted out so much was because Eazy's friends could sell records on their own, without ridin on the fame of Eazy...
Dre, Cube and Bone thugs that is...
Puffy with Biggie.... Outlawz with Pac, and Fat Joe with Pun... they all saluted them in a way to get respect and fame...
u see the simular way The Game does with Eazy?
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The reason why Eazy-E was not shouted out so much was because Eazy's friends could sell records on their own, without ridin on the fame of Eazy...
Dre, Cube and Bone thugs that is...
Puffy with Biggie.... Outlawz with Pac, and Fat Joe with Pun... they all saluted them in a way to get respect and fame...
u see the simular way The Game does with Eazy?
U tryna say he shouted him out to sell records n get respect?
Naaaw Naaw, dont think thats the case.
But i always wondered about Eazys street cred? What did they say he did
on some street shit..some even say he banged KPCC. Is that shit true?
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one of the reaons is the way he died (like other dudes said). His death offers no room for conspiracy theories.
He was a cool rapper, but I can't see his as a true artist (Ghostwriter...) and that's why he doesn't get the same fame like Pac and B.I.G., besides the fact that he was not commercial enough to be a star.
People who don't listen to rap/US Rap don't know him, but everybody knows Pac/Eazy. That's why it isn't popular to shout out Eazy
How many artists over the last 15 years would you say have had ghostwriters? Its true, i dont like that shit either. Ive always written my own shit, so i appreciate what goes into it. But theres way more muthafuckas out there spittin somebody elses words then youd think.
yeah, there are plenty more but as long as we don't know... plus Eazy wouldn't be in top 10 if he wrote his shit all by himself
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The reason why Eazy-E was not shouted out so much was because Eazy's friends could sell records on their own, without ridin on the fame of Eazy...
Dre, Cube and Bone thugs that is...
Puffy with Biggie.... Outlawz with Pac, and Fat Joe with Pun... they all saluted them in a way to get respect and fame...
u see the simular way The Game does with Eazy?
U tryna say he shouted him out to sell records n get respect?
Naaaw Naaw, dont think thats the case.
ofcourse there is alot of love and admiring too... but i'd say that a main factor of the saluting is for establishing their own carears..
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cause he wasnt a good rapper
Coming from someone with a diplomat avy and cassidy/joe budden signature, to me its funny
Cus he didn't have any real talent.
Except setting up Ruthless Records and introducing artists like Dre, Cube, Kokane, Above The Law, BG Knoccout & Dresta,... yeah no talent
And even if his CEO position dont count, how can we say he got no talent as a rapper? tracks like "Boyz N The Hood", "Eazy-Duz-It", "Real Muthaphuckin Gz", "Any Last Werdz" are certified classic
Lol if you don't think Cassidy or Joe Budden are good then you have no idea what talent is.
I respect Eazy for laying the groundwork for the entire West Coast but at the end of the day, all he did was supply the money to talented people. He used his drug money to get Dre in the studio, Dre produced him, Cube and Ren wrote his shiet, then Jerry Heller stepped in and tookover everything.
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i think 1)the way he died, 2)the way dre & snoop schooled him so bad there was NO comeback worthy, 3) he dicked over a lot of people i.e. all of N.W.A & 4)he hired paperboy to rap his verses and then he re-recorded the shits with paper's flow?-he would have been better served if he would have never recorded anything after efil4saggin. I know a lot of new school cats like some of the newer shit but the true schoolers, know that his best days were behind him once dre & ren left.
Are you fukin smokin crak? No worthy comebak? Please. . .Eazy mopped dre & snoop up with Real Muthaphukkin G'z and all of his diss traks. Not to menchion the shit he was speaking about dre and snoop was true. dre had more commercial success after NWA but Eazy had the streets. And that shit your speakin on about paperboy is made up bullshit. Eazy Co-wrote his shit from the NWA days and then started to write more on his own later on thats why his style switches up so much. And It's On 187um Killa and Str8 Off The Streets are better then Eazy Duz It. . .
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simple as 1 2 3 .....he didnt write his shit .....and he wasnt that great
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one of the reaons is the way he died (like other dudes said). His death offers no room for conspiracy theories.
He was a cool rapper, but I can't see his as a true artist (Ghostwriter...) and that's why he doesn't get the same fame like Pac and B.I.G., besides the fact that he was not commercial enough to be a star.
People who don't listen to rap/US Rap don't know him, but everybody knows Pac/Eazy. That's why it isn't popular to shout out Eazy
How many artists over the last 15 years would you say have had ghostwriters? Its true, i dont like that shit either. Ive always written my own shit, so i appreciate what goes into it. But theres way more muthafuckas out there spittin somebody elses words then youd think.
yeah, there are plenty more but as long as we don't know... plus Eazy wouldn't be in top 10 if he wrote his shit all by himself
the thing is, it isnt about him bein a lyrcal genius. Its about what he contributed to the game. Also, from what I was sayin...its crazy that hip hop itself doesnt show him as much respect. I doubt that has anything to do with ghostwritten lyrics considering most of hip hop understands how many...and also who is....buyin spits.