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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Raphael on May 17, 2009, 08:53:52 AM
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Thought id make this thread since classic is being thrown around like a everyday word, No hate just some of my opinions
off the top of my head
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt.....Amazing album and hands down jays best but it didnt quite do it for me for some reason
Souls Of Mischief - 93 Til' Infinity....Regarded as a classic by hiphop heads but i think most of the songs were dull , the title track is one of the best rap songs ever though.
Tha Dogg Pound - Dogg Food...considered classic by 99% of the users here but imo some boring ass tracks kept it from being a classic.
add on........
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I know one the Source said was a classic that was not only because Lil Kim was sucking off one of the employees is The Naked Truth. Safe bet that is not a classic lol
I thought the 1st Blueprint (Jay-Z) was mad overrated to me. Great album, classic no
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I know one the Source said was a classic that was not only because Lil Kim was sucking off one of the employees is The Naked Truth. Safe bet that is not a classic lol
I thought the 1st Blueprint (Jay-Z) was mad overrated to me. Great album, classic no
was gonna say that, DEFINITELY not a classic :D
Blueprint I go back and forth between classic or good album, so i can see where u coming from there.
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I know one the Source said was a classic that was not only because Lil Kim was sucking off one of the employees is The Naked Truth. Safe bet that is not a classic lol
I thought the 1st Blueprint (Jay-Z) was mad overrated to me. Great album, classic no
was gonna say that, DEFINITELY not a classic :D
Blueprint I go back and forth between classic or good album, so i can see where u coming from there.
I think beats wise yes, lyrically that is not his best album. Raphael I kind of understand what u saying as far as Jay's 1st album. It really got lost in the shuffle when it came out because it was right around the time Ready To Die was getting heavy burn, It Was Written was dropping and Pac and Snoop was running shit out west. It really picked up late 96/ early 97 and by 97 he was on Volume 1 so RD kinda made Vol 1 overlooked as well. It's was at first a underappreciated album and now after he has put more work out it is appreciated more.
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I was never into any of the Naitive Tongues stuff tbh although I respect it. Stillmatic and Blueprint were dope but to me its a toss up whether they're classics. Likewise College Dropout has some skippable tracks and quite a few pointless skits which imo make it far from the flawless album it would need to be if it were a classic.
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^Stillmatic is definitely a classic IMO. But I guess me saying that defeats the purpose of this thread :P
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You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.
Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
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^Black Album is definite classic IMO. Right behind RD imo.
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You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.
Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
I lean more towards yes on RD being a classic album.
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I honestly can't see it. It's a real dope album, no question, but you can't compare what Jay did lyrically on the Black Album to Reasonable Doubt. Probably like comparing Stillmatic to Illmatic.
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I honestly can't see it. It's a real dope album, no question, but you can't compare what Jay did lyrically on the Black Album to Reasonable Doubt. Probably like comparing Stillmatic to Illmatic.
I loved Black Album so much lol. December 4th is such a Jigga classic.
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Great topic. It seems to me like a lot of people on these message boards claim that an album is a classic just because everybody else says it and it's cool and it's suppose to be like that.
For me personally only classic albums are Doggystyle and Chronic. For other albums that are always claimed I either don't like the production, some tracks are boring, don't like the off beat flow... Especially most of the records in the early 90's, maybe I'm too young so I can't get with the sound back then but it's the way it is. I'm not gonna lie just because all the cool hip hop fans say so. But I can definitely appreciate the craft back then. I definitely miss the whole 1 Mc & 1 producer for the whole album.
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How bout Life After Death? Classic or no?
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Life After Death is another definite classic in my book. I know some people say it isn't as good as the first album and whatever because it has a universal sound and some R'n'B sounding beats, but BIG came 100% correct with the lyricics and flow as he did on the first album.
Speaking of The Chronic, how do people on this message board rate 2001?
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You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.
Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ARf9X6IoM jay killed that shit
btw props to all for keeping it positive and not going "fuck you thats a classic bitch" :D
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Life After Death is another definite classic in my book. I know some people say it isn't as good as the first album and whatever because it has a universal sound and some R'n'B sounding beats, but BIG came 100% correct with the lyricics and flow as he did on the first album.
Speaking of The Chronic, how do people on this message board rate 2001?
It's funny to said 2001, because I was going to mention it but decided to go with Biggie
2001 had a couple nice tracks but not classics like a Still DRE or Next Episode type shit. I thought beats wise yes but I am still on the fence about that one.
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Illmatic.
i think it's one of Nas' best albums, but it's not a classic for me.
i'm not really into eastcoast rap
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The word classic is being thrown around far too often sometimes indeed, but classics you may not feel is something a lil different to what is actually a classic. Some of y'all might not be able to get into illmatic, but there aint no denying that shits one of the best ever. If you can't get into it, fair enough, but its still a classic right? The words not being thrown around for calling that album a classic. I can see it when people claim an album but its JUST classic whereas others may think its banging but not classic. I can understand there. Sort of like blueprint, stillmatic, MMLP. Thats where it comes into play imo but most albums of past times where its called classics are usually classics because they've passed alot of tests both of its own time and then the test of time too. Interesting thread though, i think id be hating if i just list albums that are considered classics and say i dont think its a classic etc because i couldnt get into this track or whatever, or the production.
I would say i dont think blueprint is a classic album. However i think stillmatic is a modern day classic. All time classic? No. So it varies, interesting topic homie, but there are alot of classic hiphop albums out there but so so many more that aint!
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You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.
Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ARf9X6IoM jay killed that shit
If you haven't already you might want to check out the Early Hova part of the "Library of a Legend" collection in that case. I can find you a link if you want.
I agree with D-Nice on 2001, production-wise the album is insane, and I remember the first time I got high and bumped it I was thinking about how much of a classic it was, but as time passed that thought faded a lot, it is a hard one to judge overall I think. If we're talking about the real elite bracket of hip hop albums, such as where I would put RD, Ready to Die, Illmatic etc I would have to say that 2001 misses out.
By the way, I'm suprised at some of the criticism which Eminem gets for the Eminem Show. I know it was hard to follow up the Marshall Mathers LP but IMO the Eminem Show was Em really starting to blossom with his multi-syllable style. MMLP for me though would be a classic, dude gets a lot of heat from "hip hop heads" for being white but if Nas was spitting those crazy Em tracks, telling a story and spitting his feelings with that kind of lyricism people would be saying it was the best shit since Illmatic.
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Illmatic.
i think it's one of Nas' best albums, but it's not a classic for me.
i'm not really into eastcoast rap
:o Dre-Day I got to send you some then.
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I think The Black Album is way overrated. Yes, there are lots of big names associated w/ the production. And yes, there are 3 or 4 really dope songs on there. Outisde of those 3 or 4, the rest is average at best and at times below average. Kanye's production was wack, Neptunes was boring, Quik was boring, etc. Tim and Just Blaze were tight.
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Nas dont need to spit like eminem at all. Dudes does his own thing and his cv speaks for itself.
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You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.
Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ARf9X6IoM jay killed that shit
If you haven't already you might want to check out the Early Hova part of the "Library of a Legend" collection in that case. I can find you a link if you want.
I agree with D-Nice on 2001, production-wise the album is insane, and I remember the first time I got high and bumped it I was thinking about how much of a classic it was, but as time passed that thought faded a lot, it is a hard one to judge overall I think. If we're talking about the real elite bracket of hip hop albums, such as where I would put RD, Ready to Die, Illmatic etc I would have to say that 2001 misses out.
By the way, I'm suprised at some of the criticism which Eminem gets for the Eminem Show. I know it was hard to follow up the Marshall Mathers LP but IMO the Eminem Show was Em really starting to blossom with his multi-syllable style. MMLP for me though would be a classic, dude gets a lot of heat from "hip hop heads" for being white but if Nas was spitting those crazy Em tracks, telling a story and spitting his feelings with that kind of lyricism people would be saying it was the best shit since Illmatic.
Eminem Show is a personal classic to me. Had little to almost no guest appearances, which I digged about it, and like you said his bars were sharp on there. Squaredance a is perfect example of that. Had a couple goofy ass tracks but not as much as Encore. That was also the last album you seen from Em that had heavy production from him.
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I think The Black Album is way overrated. Yes, there are lots of big names associated w/ the production. And yes, there are 3 or 4 really dope songs on there. Outisde of those 3 or 4, the rest is average at best and at times below average. Kanye's production was wack, Neptunes was boring, Quik was boring, etc. Tim and Just Blaze were tight.
Yeah Black Album is a bit overrated
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Nas dont need to spit like eminem at all. Dudes does his own thing and his cv speaks for itself.
I think you're misunderstanding my point. I'm not saying Nas needs to spit like Em at all, what I was saying was that I think some of the people who say that the MMLP isn't a classic would be bouncing off walls if it was a Nas album, because no matter how crazy Em gets with his lyrical ability some people are never gonna give him real credit.
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You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.
Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ARf9X6IoM jay killed that shit
If you haven't already you might want to check out the Early Hova part of the "Library of a Legend" collection in that case. I can find you a link if you want.
thanks for the tip! found a link for it after a quik search.
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You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.
Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ARf9X6IoM jay killed that shit
If you haven't already you might want to check out the Early Hova part of the "Library of a Legend" collection in that case. I can find you a link if you want.
I agree with D-Nice on 2001, production-wise the album is insane, and I remember the first time I got high and bumped it I was thinking about how much of a classic it was, but as time passed that thought faded a lot, it is a hard one to judge overall I think. If we're talking about the real elite bracket of hip hop albums, such as where I would put RD, Ready to Die, Illmatic etc I would have to say that 2001 misses out.
By the way, I'm suprised at some of the criticism which Eminem gets for the Eminem Show. I know it was hard to follow up the Marshall Mathers LP but IMO the Eminem Show was Em really starting to blossom with his multi-syllable style. MMLP for me though would be a classic, dude gets a lot of heat from "hip hop heads" for being white but if Nas was spitting those crazy Em tracks, telling a story and spitting his feelings with that kind of lyricism people would be saying it was the best shit since Illmatic.
Eminem Show is a personal classic to me. Had little to almost no guest appearances, which I digged about it, and like you said his bars were sharp on there. Squaredance a is perfect example of that. Had a couple goofy ass tracks but not as much as Encore. That was also the last album you seen from Em that had heavy production from him.
While im not the biggest fan of eminem show for the vibe in some ways thought i do agree there was some great moments of growth/maturity from eminem, one of my favourite eminem tracks is on that album. Soldier.
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You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.
Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ARf9X6IoM jay killed that shit
If you haven't already you might want to check out the Early Hova part of the "Library of a Legend" collection in that case. I can find you a link if you want.
I agree with D-Nice on 2001, production-wise the album is insane, and I remember the first time I got high and bumped it I was thinking about how much of a classic it was, but as time passed that thought faded a lot, it is a hard one to judge overall I think. If we're talking about the real elite bracket of hip hop albums, such as where I would put RD, Ready to Die, Illmatic etc I would have to say that 2001 misses out.
By the way, I'm suprised at some of the criticism which Eminem gets for the Eminem Show. I know it was hard to follow up the Marshall Mathers LP but IMO the Eminem Show was Em really starting to blossom with his multi-syllable style. MMLP for me though would be a classic, dude gets a lot of heat from "hip hop heads" for being white but if Nas was spitting those crazy Em tracks, telling a story and spitting his feelings with that kind of lyricism people would be saying it was the best shit since Illmatic.
Eminem Show is a personal classic to me. Had little to almost no guest appearances, which I digged about it, and like you said his bars were sharp on there. Squaredance a is perfect example of that. Had a couple goofy ass tracks but not as much as Encore. That was also the last album you seen from Em that had heavy production from him.
While im not the biggest fan of eminem show for the vibe in some ways thought i do agree there was some great moments of growth/maturity from eminem, one of my favourite eminem tracks is on that album. Soldier.
For the record I don't consider it a hip hop classic, but one of those I personally think is, but yeah I agree. I think Nas' last album is a bit overrated as well. Dope as fuck but not a classic and it is waaaaay too early to gauge.
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Nas dont need to spit like eminem at all. Dudes does his own thing and his cv speaks for itself.
I think you're misunderstanding my point. I'm not saying Nas needs to spit like Em at all, what I was saying was that I think some of the people who say that the MMLP isn't a classic would be bouncing off walls if it was a Nas album, because no matter how crazy Em gets with his lyrical ability some people are never gonna give him real credit.
Oh right i see what you're saying now. I don't agree however, i think alot of people give eminem extra credit for being white and being able to rap and most of his white audience like his shit regardless if its dope or not, its like he is given a pass for anything alot of the time. I dont want this to end up being a 'skin tone' talk because that shits boring but most niggaz i know think MMLP is eminems best album myself included. Whether its a classic or not, i dont know, i can understand people saying it is aswell as people saying its not. Sort of like stillmatic/blueprint etc. Thats how i see it. Personally i like MMLP, my favourite eminem album.
If nas spit the shit eminem did on MMLP, i think alot less people would have noticed it imo. ;)
pz ;)
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You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.
Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
I feel you i can see why people think its a classic its just me i guess but i liked the pre RD jay-z more. A 1993/1994 album from Jay would be a definite CLASSIC :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ARf9X6IoM jay killed that shit
If you haven't already you might want to check out the Early Hova part of the "Library of a Legend" collection in that case. I can find you a link if you want.
I agree with D-Nice on 2001, production-wise the album is insane, and I remember the first time I got high and bumped it I was thinking about how much of a classic it was, but as time passed that thought faded a lot, it is a hard one to judge overall I think. If we're talking about the real elite bracket of hip hop albums, such as where I would put RD, Ready to Die, Illmatic etc I would have to say that 2001 misses out.
By the way, I'm suprised at some of the criticism which Eminem gets for the Eminem Show. I know it was hard to follow up the Marshall Mathers LP but IMO the Eminem Show was Em really starting to blossom with his multi-syllable style. MMLP for me though would be a classic, dude gets a lot of heat from "hip hop heads" for being white but if Nas was spitting those crazy Em tracks, telling a story and spitting his feelings with that kind of lyricism people would be saying it was the best shit since Illmatic.
Eminem Show is a personal classic to me. Had little to almost no guest appearances, which I digged about it, and like you said his bars were sharp on there. Squaredance a is perfect example of that. Had a couple goofy ass tracks but not as much as Encore. That was also the last album you seen from Em that had heavy production from him.
While im not the biggest fan of eminem show for the vibe in some ways thought i do agree there was some great moments of growth/maturity from eminem, one of my favourite eminem tracks is on that album. Soldier.
For the record I don't consider it a hip hop classic, but one of those I personally think is, but yeah I agree. I think Nas' last album is a bit overrated as well. Dope as fuck but not a classic and it is waaaaay too early to gauge.
I agree, nas' last album was dope but not a classic. Would not even come into consideration from me! 8)
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Nas dont need to spit like eminem at all. Dudes does his own thing and his cv speaks for itself.
I think you're misunderstanding my point. I'm not saying Nas needs to spit like Em at all, what I was saying was that I think some of the people who say that the MMLP isn't a classic would be bouncing off walls if it was a Nas album, because no matter how crazy Em gets with his lyrical ability some people are never gonna give him real credit.
Oh right i see what you're saying now. I don't agree however, i think alot of people give eminem extra credit for being white and being able to rap and most of his white audience like his shit regardless if its dope or not, its like he is given a pass for anything alot of the time. I dont want this to end up being a 'skin tone' talk because that shits boring but most niggaz i know think MMLP is eminems best album myself included. Whether its a classic or not, i dont know, i can understand people saying it is aswell as people saying its not. Sort of like stillmatic/blueprint etc. Thats how i see it. Personally i like MMLP, my favourite eminem album.
If nas spit the shit eminem did on MMLP, i think alot less people would have noticed it imo. ;)
pz ;)
I agree with that L. Subject matter has always been a issue with diehard Nas fans. Especially after It Was Written dropped. I think a introspective track from Nas and Em are 2 completely different tracks, for obvious reasons. I just think like Kaiser said the way Em paints a picture lyrically at times is not as appreciated by people because of the presentation. Stan is a incredible track, but alot of people missed it and only seen the crazed fan aspect of it. But that track is storytelling at its finest. I dig imagery tracks from Nas. Project Window, 2nd Childhood, shit like that. Where he take objects and brings them to life.
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Nas dont need to spit like eminem at all. Dudes does his own thing and his cv speaks for itself.
I think you're misunderstanding my point. I'm not saying Nas needs to spit like Em at all, what I was saying was that I think some of the people who say that the MMLP isn't a classic would be bouncing off walls if it was a Nas album, because no matter how crazy Em gets with his lyrical ability some people are never gonna give him real credit.
Oh right i see what you're saying now. I don't agree however, i think alot of people give eminem extra credit for being white and being able to rap and most of his white audience like his shit regardless if its dope or not, its like he is given a pass for anything alot of the time. I dont want this to end up being a 'skin tone' talk because that shits boring but most niggaz i know think MMLP is eminems best album myself included. Whether its a classic or not, i dont know, i can understand people saying it is aswell as people saying its not. Sort of like stillmatic/blueprint etc. Thats how i see it. Personally i like MMLP, my favourite eminem album.
If nas spit the shit eminem did on MMLP, i think alot less people would have noticed it imo. ;)
pz ;)
Fair enough, I know there's a lot of people who think that Em is given extra credit because he's white, and when it comes to mainstream fans, I have no doubt that's the case. However, I honestly do believe that the opposite is the case with some "hip hop heads". After all, why was Illmatic a classic? Because Nas was wild with the rhymes and multi-sylablles, a lot of people citing "One Love" as an example of how he could still go hard on a storytelling track. Eminem has done exactly that plenty of times, but those same people who give Illmatic all the credit in the world - and rightly so - deny giving Eminem the same credit.
As D-Nice said, the whole concept of Stan was crazy in itself.
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Man this thread reminds me how much BULLSHIT music is out right now. ;D
Nah there is still good music out there, just harder to find at times.
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Life after death,blueprint and black album,2001.None of those were classic.For me a classic is an album you can throw on 5 years after its out and listen to the album all the way through and not skip a song because they are all dope.I don't know how anyone could call life after death classic.Ready to die is a classic.But life after death could easily have been one CD.
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Man this thread reminds me how much BULLSHIT music is out right now. ;D
Nah there is still good music out there, just harder to find at times.
^^^For real and props to kaiser, that was dope talk.
As for stan, thats one of eminems greatest moments, both in terms of mixing creativity/story telling etc and making dope music, even the hook from...umm...dido? was dope, that was eminem at his best back then. Dude was angry, he wanted to be rich etc and when he got it, he didnt appreciate it, was getting sued from everywhere, sudddenly he was open to both love and criticism, for the first time ever he was being hated on for no reason by people...basically getting hate and groupies and all...end result was joints like stan, the way i am, the "the i never knew i would get so rich" joint etc, dude was so angry lol basically a black youth back then lol, i cant hate on eminem. I just think he started switching with eminem show but he stilll had moments of greatness on that album and 8mile ost.
And yeh D-nice...2nd childhood = 5/5 joint ;-) and subject matter is big haha
pz!
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For me a classic is an album you can throw on 5 years after its out and listen to the album all the way through and not skip a song because they are all dope
True but i think a classic can also be a album that changed hiphop or made a huge impact like Straight Outta Compton...i mean the skippable tracks on there were horrible :P
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Life after death,blueprint and black album,2001.None of those were classic.For me a classic is an album you can throw on 5 years after its out and listen to the album all the way through and not skip a song because they are all dope.I don't know how anyone could call life after death classic.Ready to die is a classic.But life after death could easily have been one CD.
I can actually throw Life After Death on and bump it all the way through. Had a couple useless skits and the singing of Playa Hata I could have done without but overall it was dope. But classic I don't know. I will say that album is the pinnacle of "bling rap" that Bad Boy was putting out. The over the top production and subject matter about making money that JD and Jay Z tried to re create. You could not make a album ever like that again and do the numbers that did in any climate. I think Biggie's rhymes were dope as fuck on there but I like Ready To Die BIG a lil more. I am on the fence on that album too.
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Oh and just for the record i DO think 2001 is a classic. The top half of the album is amazing, the second half is not but why i say its classic is because it changed the game back then and the production especially in the top half is still fresh. All i would say is that its pretty low on the classic list...very low, but just makes it as a classic for its impact etc and for how great the top half was.
I think we've had a few threads in the westcoast section about 2001 and basically i think its a classic but not anywhere near top tier all time classics.
pz
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I don't know how anyone could call life after death classic.
Obviously you've got a strong opinion but I think you're being a little narrow minded. If some new artist was to bring out an album spitting like Biggie did on Life After Death with his flow and lyrics, people would be saying that dude was bringing back hip hop. The thing is that people were used to Biggie dropping fire, so they don't treat Life After Death as anything special. I agree that it could probably have been 1 CD but like I said, the album was aimed at being more universal, and it succeeded in being a crossover success. Biggie was proving how versatile he was on lots of different types of tracks while still remaining dope as fuck. While all the tracks that you liked on the album may be fit in to one CD, other fans will like every track. Because of how universal the album is, every fan with a different taste is going to view each of the tracks differently.
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Man this thread reminds me how much BULLSHIT music is out right now. ;D
Nah there is still good music out there, just harder to find at times.
^^^For real and props to kaiser, that was dope talk.
As for stan, thats one of eminems greatest moments, both in terms of mixing creativity/story telling etc and making dope music, even the hook from...umm...dido? was dope, that was eminem at his best back then. Dude was angry, he wanted to be rich etc and when he got it, he didnt appreciate it, was getting sued from everywhere, sudddenly he was open to both love and criticism, for the first time ever he was being hated on for no reason by people...basically getting hate and groupies and all...end result was joints like stan, the way i am, the "the i never knew i would get so rich" joint etc, dude was so angry lol basically a black youth back then lol, i cant hate on eminem. I just think he started switching with eminem show but he stilll had moments of greatness on that album and 8mile ost.
And yeh D-nice...2nd childhood = 5/5 joint ;-) and subject matter is big haha
pz!
Oh man that is a slept on joint on Stillmatic. Not the best Premo beat compared to what they have done over the years but that song I can relate to a T with. Especially with people I went to high school with. And the concept is dope. Nas when he raps like that cannot be touched by many. Period.
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A major reason why albums don't sound so "classic" is bcuz the length of the albums are longer nowadays (skits and mandatory songs- love, party, etc.). Take for example "Doggystyle", that album was 9 tracks (7solos all short songs). The album was so short that of course anything you hear within that timeframe is gonna be hot, especially if you're hot. If anybody were to take 9 or 10 songs off any album tha shit is gonna go over better with the crowd/people. Albums today are longer so you get more "bang" for your buck. I'm not sayin it's impossible to drop a 22 track classic but if an album is 20 songs and atleast 10 songs are replayable (a good amount of time albums are) then I say that tha artists' job is done. If Relapse were condensed then it would be up on the same level if not better than all of his past albums (even better with the normal flow lol and Encore woulda been better too). Shit you get even more tracks when you get the mixtape that goes with the album so it's not like you're not getting what you paid for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wj9lNhs0b8
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I don't know how anyone could call life after death classic.
Obviously you've got a strong opinion but I think you're being a little narrow minded. If some new artist was to bring out an album spitting like Biggie did on Life After Death with his flow and lyrics, people would be saying that dude was bringing back hip hop. The thing is that people were used to Biggie dropping fire, so they don't treat Life After Death as anything special. I agree that it could probably have been 1 CD but like I said, the album was aimed at being more universal, and it succeeded in being a crossover success. Biggie was proving how versatile he was on lots of different types of tracks while still remaining dope as fuck. While all the tracks that you liked on the album may be fit in to one CD, other fans will like every track. Because of how universal the album is, every fan with a different taste is going to view each of the tracks differently.
Puffy telling Biggie to change his tone was a genius move. It made One More Chance smooth as fuck. He could not do a song like that rapping like Warning. But he had some insane lyrical gems on Life After Death. Long Kiss, My Downfall, Story To Tell, Kick In The Door, Notorious Thugs, he literally had something for everyone. I don't know a soul that does not like that album.
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Theirs no rule that an artist has to make a long album these days its their choice.Lots of album still drop today that are only 12 songs.
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Theirs no rule that an artist has to make a long album these days its their choice.Lots of album still drop today that are only 12 songs.
don't know how many albums you have but albums are most of the time a minimum of 15 songs including skits which most of the time make up "more" tracks overall.
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I'm not saying life after death isn't a good album but you can't call it a classic by any means.Theirs skippable songs,some songs sound extremely dated with the cheesey beats aka I love the dough.On top of that the other measuring stick of a classic,the effect it has on the genre.Well big was basically copying pac with the album.Hey he made a double album so ill make one too.Full of party tracks just like pacs was and just like all eyez on me a good album,but not classic
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Theirs no rule that an artist has to make a long album these days its their choice.Lots of album still drop today that are only 12 songs.
And it is kinda like an unwritten rule of an album; to have more than 13 tracks. People feel cheated if you don't nowadays. Back in the day it wasn't like that, you could drop an album of 6 songs (20 minute album) and people would flip- it's not like that now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqWDg9KCGpI
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Master P really to me was the one that made people drop more songs. Along with Pac and BIG doing double albums but P would have 20-30 songs on all of his albums. I remember getting C-Murder's Life Or Death album and seeing i think it was 28 or 32 tracks. I was like god damn I ain't listening to all this lol.
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he literally had something for everyone.
Exactly. I believe Life After Death is one of the reasons that, as DaCannon said, rappers are making longer albums. They want to cater to more than one market at the same time. I think that's also a reason concept albums aren't very popular nowadays, rappers are scared to make a 12 song album around the one concept, because if the mainstream don't like the concept, the album isn't bought and they have no R'n'B or Clubby joints to rake in sales.
And Jay, I Love the Dough was dope. The beat might be "cheesy" to a hardcore hip hop audience but real rap fans love that joint because of how Jay and Biggie were competing with each other lyrically to see who could kill it. You're obviously a big 2Pac fan and aren't going to budge on your own opinion of the album, all I'm saying is that it's a little narrow-minded to suggest that nobody could call it a classic, because millions do.
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Master P really to me was the one that made people drop more songs. Along with Pac and BIG doing double albums but P would have 20-30 songs on all of his albums. I remember getting C-Murder's Life Or Death album and seeing i think it was 28 or 32 tracks. I was like god damn I ain't listening to all this lol.
true shit
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I'm an equal fan of both artists.I mean not to take the arguement this way but if 2pac had not made all eyez on me biggie would never have made a double disc album.Not that their is anything wrong with that.I think saying millions do is a bit of a bit of a reach.Millions think ready to die is classic but not life after death.Sure the die hard big fans might call it a classic the same way a die hard 2pac fan calls all eyez on me classic or dogg pound with dogg food classic.But that's more of a personal classic.Me against the world and ready to die are classics because they are flawless albums.Life after death and all eyez on me are not flawless they both have weak parts and skippable tracks.
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^ A lot of ppl say the reason Biggie did a double disc was b/c he had the accident and had nothing to do but sit down and write music.
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I'm not being narrow minded but their is a difference between a personal classic and a classic.
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^ A lot of ppl say the reason Biggie did a double disc was b/c he had the accident and had nothing to do but sit down and write music.
Nah that was a competition thing. All Eyez On Me came out so that was the kings going at it.
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Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca & Soul Brother
Madvillainy
first Common albums
I don't know why, but these albums are boring to me
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Likewise College Dropout has some skippable tracks and quite a few pointless skits which imo make it far from the flawless album it would need to be if it were a classic.
Yeah, I agree on Dropout. It's actually a great album and comes close to being a classic and I'm not even much of a Kanye fan but those skits? That college graduate skit with the guy trying to sound white. They drag that fucking joke for way too long. It might have worked as a quick little segue between songs but they kept going on and on. Enough already.
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its hard cause take albums like all eyes on me and life after death. theyre both considered classics but theres tracks on both id skip over.
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I'm not being narrow minded but their is a difference between a personal classic and a classic.
Ya, but i do think that is very hard to differentiate tho, i mean so just because a bunch of ppl tell me that a Jayz album is a classic im supposed to agree? I think deciding what is a classic and what isn'ts a classic is really to each their own. I think too many ppl just go with what other people say.
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I'm not being narrow minded but their is a difference between a personal classic and a classic.
Y, but i do think that is very hard to differentiate tho, i mean so just because a bunch of ppl tell me that a Jayz album is a classic im supposed to agree? I think deciding what is a classic and what isn'ts a classic is really to each their own. I think too many ppl just go with what other people say.
that's exactly what happens.
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Any common album... I guess Like Water... Be and Finding Forever are considered by some to be his classics .... well I enjoy songs of his but cant enjoy a whole album... I can see how some would be great albums but in no way CLASSICS.... Also Redman albums (DIADS and Muddy Water) would be his classics... there are too many tracks on both that I can skip so it takes them out of Classic contention.... Cypress Hill (Self titled) I think for Cypress the Black Sunday Album was their classic album and it was more complete for me than self titled.... but this could be blurring the line between classics and personal classics?
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The Carter 3
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It sounds like all of y'all are saying there's no such thing as a classic album. If that's how y'all feel then The Chronic ain't shit.
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You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.
Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
That fed her money so her shit made sense metaphor was ill, can't remember what track it was
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any 2pac album thats considered a classic fits into this not really classic category
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Eminem's two first albums. Very dope albums indeed, but too much bullshit tracks to be classics for me.
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this album gets so much praise but is the shittiest shit ever
(http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/c/captain-beefheart/album-trout-mask-replica.jpg)
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any 2pac album thats considered a classic fits into this not really classic category
:laugh:
Pac has like 5 classic albums.
i would say The Black Album is nowhere near a classic.
its a great CD, but a 4/5 CD is not the same as a 5/5 CD.
this is a weird thing though, because what is a classic album? it's all about taste; i mean look at what Dre-Day said...
i respect all his opinons but he thinks Illmatic isn't a pure classic.
i think Illmatic is one of the greatest albums in rap history, so this whole thread comes down to taste.
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I think their are certified classics in every genre that even fans of other music go that's a classic.Illmatic,paid in full,the chronic,doggystyle,enter the 36 chambers,me against the world,ready to die,midnight mauraders.a few others.These albums are considered classic.
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A personal classic is me saying cormega the realness
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you notice how people don't label classic albums anymore?
if it was made back in the day & it was good it is a classic today.
The Marshall Mathers LP is the last album that people really said was a true classic, everything after that seems to just be a "near classic" or "personal classic".
if Get Rich or Die Tryin' was made and released in 1994 or 1996 & 50 never really sold out for the bitches, i wonder how much differently people would look at that album today.
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Life after Death
Blueprint
Chronic & 2001
Paid in Full (But i havent listened to this 4 a while! And i think i was a tad too young wen i first peeped it)
Ems first 3 (MMLPs a modern classic tho'...)
Regulate...G-Funk Era
Any Kanye album (Maybe a modern classic?)
Black Album
Theres more but minds a blank at the moment, i know im gonna catch hate for some of these but its simply my honest opiinion...
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NO Gangstarr albums are classic. I've tried to listen to most of them but always found myself getting sleepy and or bored everytime
Get Rich Or Die Trying. i could never see how ppl call this a classic... Good album.... indeed
Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
Eazy E's albums... All of them. I LOVE Eazy, but I'm a realist, his shit wasn't that hot... they were always too short. I never understood why he never just waited a lil' longer to record something and then put it out. But Eazy Duz It was the shit in the 80's i bet.
Livin' Like Hustlers & Black Mafia Life.... NOPE! I've heard this stressed so many times
Ridin' Dirty... i like this album but it wasn't hittin' it 4 me like that... The UnderGround Kingz album is a CLASSIC tho
Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. it's an early version of that newer Outkast sound at that time but it wasn't a classic.... A+++++ for effort tho.
La Belle La Mafia - i guess we all know tha story about this 1
Take A Look Over Your Shoulder (Reality) - cheezy azz beats
Slept on albums:
Encore
Tha Doggfather/Dead Man Walkin'
Chapter 2: World Domination
The Inspiration
Tha Massacre
Buck The World
Ghetty Green
all these albums have been acknowledge but they havent been givin' their proper dues. of course there's more on both list but who are we to do all of the judgen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHf1TowGQeE
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you notice how people don't label classic albums anymore?
if it was made back in the day & it was good it is a classic today.
The Marshall Mathers LP is the last album that people really said was a true classic, everything after that seems to just be a "near classic" or "personal classic".
if Get Rich or Die Tryin' was made and released in 1994 or 1996 & 50 never really sold out for the bitches, i wonder how much differently people would look at that album today.
Nah, just nothing good enough that has come out the past 6-7 years has been good enough to be considered a classic.
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I can't believe you just wrote you could find gucci mane tracks and make it better then illmatic.That could be the dumbest thing I have ever read in my entire life.
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Gotta be "Blueprint". I gave that album like 10 chances and I just don't see it...
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You really don't think Reasonable Doubt is a classic album? I think its possibly one of the best albums ever, although I know there's a lot of Jay-haters who'll be quick to bash me. I can still listen to that album after god knows how many times and hear some dope wordplay or clever metaphor that I missed before, the way Jay hides those lyrical techniques in that album is classic in itself. This surely must be a favorite of any true fan of lyricism.
Although with that said neither Blueprint, nor the Black Album for that matter are classic in my book.
That fed her money so her shit made sense metaphor was ill, can't remember what track it was
D'Evils ;)
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I can't believe you just wrote you could find gucci mane tracks and make it better then illmatic.That could be the dumbest thing I have ever read in my entire life.
Was just about to write it.
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2pacalypse now and strictly 4 my N.I.G.G.A.Z never felt it that much...
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I can't believe you just wrote you could find gucci mane tracks and make it better then illmatic.That could be the dumbest thing I have ever read in my entire life.
I was just sayin. People syse "illmatic" way too much. it was a beast for when it came out and it was a beast for a while and still is, but 9 tracks (all short songs btw) shouldn't give you a pass as a classic. Even though i would never debate it too hard but it's like still, that album is way too short to just be labeled an "all time classic"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxoTZDetFw
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Thought id make this thread since classic is being thrown around like a everyday word, No hate just some of my opinions
off the top of my head
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt.....Amazing album and hands down jays best but it didnt quite do it for me for some reason
Souls Of Mischief - 93 Til' Infinity....Regarded as a classic by hiphop heads but i think most of the songs were dull , the title track is one of the best rap songs ever though.
Tha Dogg Pound - Dogg Food...considered classic by 99% of the users here but imo some boring ass tracks kept it from being a classic.
add on........
great thread by the way. im mainly into westcoast but i dont feel jay'z's first album, couple of gd traks ther and then.
now dogg food....this is a classic definetly cause il tell you why:
1) you have 2 rappers who are legends. you have kurupt whos 1 of the best lyricists and daz being 1 of the best producers ever, that is some combo.
2) it sold 2 million.
3) from that album it let daz produce even better songs eg for 2pac.
4) they coped well without dre on this album even though he mixed it.
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The Blueprint - I didn't get the whole 'classic' thing. I listened to it again recently and still I try to work out what's so damn good about it. I actually liked parts of Blueprint 2 more than this.
Get Rich Or Die Tryin' - Apart from about 3 tracks, this album is straight garbage. I thought The Massacre was better than this, although it took me until 'Curtis' came out to realise that.
Life After Death - Not that this is a bad album but Ready To Die shits on this in a big way, and that doesn't get much recognition.
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Thought id make this thread since classic is being thrown around like a everyday word, No hate just some of my opinions
off the top of my head
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt.....Amazing album and hands down jays best but it didnt quite do it for me for some reason
Souls Of Mischief - 93 Til' Infinity....Regarded as a classic by hiphop heads but i think most of the songs were dull , the title track is one of the best rap songs ever though.
Tha Dogg Pound - Dogg Food...considered classic by 99% of the users here but imo some boring ass tracks kept it from being a classic.
add on........
great thread by the way. im mainly into westcoast but i dont feel jay'z's first album, couple of gd traks ther and then.
now dogg food....this is a classic definetly cause il tell you why:
1) you have 2 rappers who are legends. you have kurupt whos 1 of the best lyricists and daz being 1 of the best producers ever, that is some combo.
2) it sold 2 million.
3) from that album it let daz produce even better songs eg for 2pac.
4) they coped well without dre on this album even though he mixed it.
Replace "if we all fucc" and "some bomb azz puzzy" with Got My Mind Made Up(OG) and Cant C Us and What Would You Do as a bonus track...That would be a timeless classic to me 8)
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A secret to a classic is figuring out how long you have on audio to keep a listeners attention span. like you couldn't drop a triple album (with 20 songs a piece) and expect to have everybody hail it as a classic. Artist have like a 60minute pocket to keep a listener interested and having they head boppin the whole time. The evidence is in all the albums considered to be Classic are all under 60minutes (some obviously SLIGHTLY longer by a few minutes).
http://www.imeem.com/jukeboxmusic16/music/CM2xUIEz/young-zee-thats-my-nigga-fo-real/
even when you make a mix cd of your personal favorites you never play it from front 2 back (all the time). music is for the mood and timing is everything.
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any 2pac album thats considered a classic fits into this not really classic category
Pac has like 5 classic albums.
Unfortunately I have to disagree 100% there, it's just another example of people loving 2 Pac too much to view his music objectively, which I'm sure is the case for most people on the board. I mean I'm one of the biggest Eazy/NWA fans you can find, personally my favorite artist is Eazy, but does he have wack tracks, even if I personally like them? Definately.
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Nothing released this decade is a classic album.
This you want to know what a classic is, check here (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=75619.0). And still, maybe only 35-40 of those are real classics.
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any 2pac album thats considered a classic fits into this not really classic category
Pac has like 5 classic albums.
Unfortunately I have to disagree 100% there, it's just another example of people loving 2 Pac too much to view his music objectively, which I'm sure is the case for most people on the board. I mean I'm one of the biggest Eazy/NWA fans you can find, personally my favorite artist is Eazy, but does he have wack tracks, even if I personally like them? Definately.
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2pacalypse now and strictly 4 my N.I.G.G.A.Z never felt it that much...
Are these considered classics?
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I can't believe you just wrote you could find gucci mane tracks and make it better then illmatic.That could be the dumbest thing I have ever read in my entire life.
I was just sayin. People syse "illmatic" way too much. it was a beast for when it came out and it was a beast for a while and still is, but 9 tracks (all short songs btw) shouldn't give you a pass as a classic. Even though i would never debate it too hard but it's like still, that album is way too short to just be labeled an "all time classic"
Too short to be a classic? Now that's another dumb statement.
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Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
:o :o :o :o
Man, as much as I respect everyone's opinion on music, that right here must be is the dumbest thing I read in all my life on a forum. Gucci Mane??? NO way. Illmatic is my favortie rap album of all time. It is not overrated. You can say you don't like the style, and that it's not a classic in your book, but it is one of the best album released in the 90's. BTW, I don't care if it's short.
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lol @ these Gucci Mane mixtape songs >>> Illmatic! :laugh:
you said some dumb shit, but that is the worst lol.
Illmatic is the foundation of rap lol, one of the most classic albums ever.
every song, individually, on that album is better than any song Gucci Mane has ever made. :laugh:
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lol @ these Gucci Mane mixtape songs >>> Illmatic! :laugh:
you said some dumb shit, but that is the worst lol.
Illmatic is the foundation of rap lol, one of the most classic albums ever.
every song, individually, on that album is better than any song Gucci Mane has ever made. :laugh:
fuck wat u talkin bout Gucci is that nigga!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnB27XiE73E
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Thought id make this thread since classic is being thrown around like a everyday word, No hate just some of my opinions
off the top of my head
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt.....Amazing album and hands down jays best but it didnt quite do it for me for some reason
Souls Of Mischief - 93 Til' Infinity....Regarded as a classic by hiphop heads but i think most of the songs were dull , the title track is one of the best rap songs ever though.
Tha Dogg Pound - Dogg Food...considered classic by 99% of the users here but imo some boring ass tracks kept it from being a classic.
add on........
great thread by the way. im mainly into westcoast but i dont feel jay'z's first album, couple of gd traks ther and then.
now dogg food....this is a classic definetly cause il tell you why:
1) you have 2 rappers who are legends. you have kurupt whos 1 of the best lyricists and daz being 1 of the best producers ever, that is some combo.
2) it sold 2 million.
3) from that album it let daz produce even better songs eg for 2pac.
4) they coped well without dre on this album even though he mixed it.
Replace "if we all fucc" and "some bomb azz puzzy" with Got My Mind Made Up(OG) and Cant C Us and What Would You Do as a bonus track...That would be a timeless classic to me 8)
im not a fan of "if we all fuck" but "some bomb azz pussy" is 1 of the best songs ever about pussy imo. daz killed it on the beat, smooth shit you could play it when fucking some bitch lol
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Replace "if we all fucc" and "some bomb azz puzzy" with Got My Mind Made Up(OG) and Cant C Us and What Would You Do as a bonus track...That would be a timeless classic to me
agreed.
Are these considered classics?
in some way "yes".
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lol @ these Gucci Mane mixtape songs >>> Illmatic! :laugh:
you said some dumb shit, but that is the worst lol.
Illmatic is the foundation of rap lol, one of the most classic albums ever.
every song, individually, on that album is better than any song Gucci Mane has ever made. :laugh:
fuck wat u talkin bout Gucci is that nigga!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnB27XiE73E
lmfao, i listened to the corny, typical southern beat & heard half of the awful chorus & X'd that shit out instantly lol.
the Intro (The Genesis) of Illmatic is better than this song. :laugh:
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black album
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Trap Muzik is border line, imo.
great album indeed, but classic? i don't know.
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lol @ these Gucci Mane mixtape songs >>> Illmatic! :laugh:
you said some dumb shit, but that is the worst lol.
Illmatic is the foundation of rap lol, one of the most classic albums ever.
every song, individually, on that album is better than any song Gucci Mane has ever made. :laugh:
fuck wat u talkin bout Gucci is that nigga!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnB27XiE73E
lmfao, i listened to the corny, typical southern beat & heard half of the awful chorus & X'd that shit out instantly lol.
the Intro (The Genesis) of Illmatic is better than this song. :laugh:
that's obviously just your opinion
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Are these considered classics?
in some way "yes".
By whom? Where?
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NO Gangstarr albums are classic. I've tried to listen to most of them but always found myself getting sleepy and or bored everytime
Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
wow. i bump gucci mane but they are on two totally different levels. i can't stress enough how illmatic is classic. gucci mane hasn't made one classic album. fuck a mixtape
i don't want to insult you like most of the people on here will probably do after reading this quote but god damn, you make it pretty easy.
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NO Gangstarr albums are classic. I've tried to listen to most of them but always found myself getting sleepy and or bored everytime
Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
wow. i bump gucci mane but they are on two totally different levels. i can't stress enough how illmatic is classic. gucci mane hasn't made one classic album. fuck a mixtape
i don't want to insult you like most of the people on here will probably do after reading this quote but god damn, you make it pretty easy.
naw, niggaz just don't fuck wit everything people think is "classic"- look at how y'all think of me for example. im like the only person who even has a copy of Illmatic or who even remembers that album. niggaz still remember Doggystyle, but not Illmatic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47UiDsn1lE0
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NO Gangstarr albums are classic. I've tried to listen to most of them but always found myself getting sleepy and or bored everytime
Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
wow. i bump gucci mane but they are on two totally different levels. i can't stress enough how illmatic is classic. gucci mane hasn't made one classic album. fuck a mixtape
i don't want to insult you like most of the people on here will probably do after reading this quote but god damn, you make it pretty easy.
naw, niggaz just don't fuck wit everything people think is "classic"- look at how y'all think of me for example. im like the only person who even has a copy of Illmatic or who even remembers that album. niggaz still remember Doggystyle, but not Illmatic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47UiDsn1lE0
Nobody remembers Illmatic? If you say so.
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NO Gangstarr albums are classic. I've tried to listen to most of them but always found myself getting sleepy and or bored everytime
Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
wow. i bump gucci mane but they are on two totally different levels. i can't stress enough how illmatic is classic. gucci mane hasn't made one classic album. fuck a mixtape
i don't want to insult you like most of the people on here will probably do after reading this quote but god damn, you make it pretty easy.
naw, niggaz just don't fuck wit everything people think is "classic"- look at how y'all think of me for example. im like the only person who even has a copy of Illmatic or who even remembers that album. niggaz still remember Doggystyle, but not Illmatic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47UiDsn1lE0
Nobody remembers Illmatic? If you say so.
lol exactly.
if you have the album i think it's time to re-bump it & go look in a mirror after and slap yourself in the face lol.
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NO Gangstarr albums are classic. I've tried to listen to most of them but always found myself getting sleepy and or bored everytime
Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
wow. i bump gucci mane but they are on two totally different levels. i can't stress enough how illmatic is classic. gucci mane hasn't made one classic album. fuck a mixtape
i don't want to insult you like most of the people on here will probably do after reading this quote but god damn, you make it pretty easy.
naw, niggaz just don't fuck wit everything people think is "classic"- look at how y'all think of me for example. im like the only person who even has a copy of Illmatic or who even remembers that album. niggaz still remember Doggystyle, but not Illmatic
Lol, I am pretty sure many of the older members here own a copy of Illmatic. Quit acting like an oracle.
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NO Gangstarr albums are classic. I've tried to listen to most of them but always found myself getting sleepy and or bored everytime
Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
wow. i bump gucci mane but they are on two totally different levels. i can't stress enough how illmatic is classic. gucci mane hasn't made one classic album. fuck a mixtape
i don't want to insult you like most of the people on here will probably do after reading this quote but god damn, you make it pretty easy.
naw, niggaz just don't fuck wit everything people think is "classic"- look at how y'all think of me for example. im like the only person who even has a copy of Illmatic or who even remembers that album. niggaz still remember Doggystyle, but not Illmatic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47UiDsn1lE0
Nobody remembers Illmatic? If you say so.
maybe up North they still ride out 2 that shit but once you hit Maryland and all tha way to California that shit is dead. I'm tellin' u, Illmatic is like an old Parliment tape now, no lie. This isn't my opinion neither, just my observation and numerous encounters talking with people.
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I'm not shittin' on "illmatic" but that album doesn't get any play really. like i can't tell you tha last time i heard ANYBODY play a song off of there, not even on tha radio when they do old skool hip hop sets, and that nigga plays everything, shit all of us forgot about.
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I'm not shittin' on "illmatic" but that album doesn't get any play really. like i can't tell you tha last time i heard ANYBODY play a song off of there, not even on tha radio when they do old skool hip hop sets, and that nigga plays everything, shit all of us forgot about.
what does people "not remembering Illmatic" or whatever insane point your trying to make have to do with it's classicness?
who cares how many people you think bump it still? it's still a classic album.
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I'm not shittin' on "illmatic" but that album doesn't get any play really. like i can't tell you tha last time i heard ANYBODY play a song off of there, not even on tha radio when they do old skool hip hop sets, and that nigga plays everything, shit all of us forgot about.
its 2009 most people are bumpin lil wayne not illmatic
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NO Gangstarr albums are classic. I've tried to listen to most of them but always found myself getting sleepy and or bored everytime
Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
wow. i bump gucci mane but they are on two totally different levels. i can't stress enough how illmatic is classic. gucci mane hasn't made one classic album. fuck a mixtape
i don't want to insult you like most of the people on here will probably do after reading this quote but god damn, you make it pretty easy.
naw, niggaz just don't fuck wit everything people think is "classic"- look at how y'all think of me for example. im like the only person who even has a copy of Illmatic or who even remembers that album. niggaz still remember Doggystyle, but not Illmatic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47UiDsn1lE0
Nobody remembers Illmatic? If you say so.
maybe up North they still ride out 2 that shit but once you hit Maryland and all tha way to California that shit is dead. I'm tellin' u, Illmatic is like an old Parliment tape now, no lie. This isn't my opinion neither, just my observation and numerous encounters talking with people.
i'm cali raised and i still bump illmatic. nas isn't like bluegrass from the 1920's
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NO Gangstarr albums are classic. I've tried to listen to most of them but always found myself getting sleepy and or bored everytime
Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
wow. i bump gucci mane but they are on two totally different levels. i can't stress enough how illmatic is classic. gucci mane hasn't made one classic album. fuck a mixtape
i don't want to insult you like most of the people on here will probably do after reading this quote but god damn, you make it pretty easy.
naw, niggaz just don't fuck wit everything people think is "classic"- look at how y'all think of me for example. im like the only person who even has a copy of Illmatic or who even remembers that album. niggaz still remember Doggystyle, but not Illmatic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47UiDsn1lE0
Nobody remembers Illmatic? If you say so.
maybe up North they still ride out 2 that shit but once you hit Maryland and all tha way to California that shit is dead. I'm tellin' u, Illmatic is like an old Parliment tape now, no lie. This isn't my opinion neither, just my observation and numerous encounters talking with people.
i'm cali raised and i still bump illmatic. nas isn't like bluegrass from the 1920's
lol thats some real shit but at the same time it's dated... end of story, it's not like it's "All Eyez On Me" or "Ready To Die"
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NO Gangstarr albums are classic. I've tried to listen to most of them but always found myself getting sleepy and or bored everytime
Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
wow. i bump gucci mane but they are on two totally different levels. i can't stress enough how illmatic is classic. gucci mane hasn't made one classic album. fuck a mixtape
i don't want to insult you like most of the people on here will probably do after reading this quote but god damn, you make it pretty easy.
naw, niggaz just don't fuck wit everything people think is "classic"- look at how y'all think of me for example. im like the only person who even has a copy of Illmatic or who even remembers that album. niggaz still remember Doggystyle, but not Illmatic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47UiDsn1lE0
Nobody remembers Illmatic? If you say so.
maybe up North they still ride out 2 that shit but once you hit Maryland and all tha way to California that shit is dead. I'm tellin' u, Illmatic is like an old Parliment tape now, no lie. This isn't my opinion neither, just my observation and numerous encounters talking with people.
i'm cali raised and i still bump illmatic. nas isn't like bluegrass from the 1920's
lol thats some real shit but at the same time it's dated... end of story, it's not like it's "All Eyez On Me" or "Ready To Die"
of course it's dated! but that doesn't affect the quality of the album. ready to die is another dated album yet you mentioned it like it wasn't
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Illmatic came out almost a year after Doggystyle did.
Is Illmatic a classic? HELL YEAH. Biggie if alive would even say that. Classic in the very sense alone how influential it was to not only east coast hip hop but music in general. I seen Nas in concert out here in Vegas a couple years ago, Marley Marl was his DJ. They played ALL east coast joints from that era and the majority of them was from Illmatic (also played EPMD, Biggie, Mobb Deep, Gangstarr, etc). I really did not know how the crowd would react but everyone recited word for word every Illmatic song played and all the other songs.
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See this is why i said these sort of threads become a lil shady because when albums like illmatic and chronic get mentioned...u know the rest...
;)
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See this is why i said these sort of threads become a lil shady because when albums like illmatic and chronic get mentioned...u know the rest...
;)
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See this is why i said these sort of threads become a lil shady because when albums like illmatic and chronic get mentioned...u know the rest...
;)
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I just mean when people say illmatic is overrated etc...Its one thing to say you dont like the album, thats cool...i can understand people saying that but to questions its classic placement is another thing..same with albums like chronic etc...so while i think this is a dope thread...it borders on hating/dodgy comments coming from everywhere...thats all i was trying to say! ;D
pz!
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See this is why i said these sort of threads become a lil shady because when albums like illmatic and chronic get mentioned...u know the rest...
;)
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I just mean when people say illmatic is overrated etc...Its one thing to say you dont like the album, thats cool...i can understand people saying that but to questions its classic placement is another thing..same with albums like chronic etc...so while i think this is a dope thread...it borders on hating/dodgy comments coming from everywhere...thats all i was trying to say! ;D
pz!
Ok, yeah I got cha now lol. Very true, and it's crazy to think albums like a Illmatic and Doggystyle are 15+ years old.
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I thought the Black Album was overrated
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Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
that right there is blasphemy. A statement like this should make your opinion void on any future hip hop discussions.
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Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
that right there is blasphemy. A statement like this should make your opinion void on any future hip hop discussions.
lol... i fucks wit Illmatic (1 of the 1st albums i've ever brought) but 9 songs just don't do it 4 me. I'm not denyin' that tha shit is pure fire (i'd be a deaf bastard if i didn't believe that). but it's way too short. a Kalassic is something that should be longer than 35/45 minutes. It took Nas 2 years to do Illmatic and only came out with 9 songs, naw i can't vouch 4 a classic. Timeless yes, classic no- there is a difference. The Chronic=classic; timeless= no. People will begin to put that album down (after this generation) once Dre drops Detox. It'll be like "2pacolypse Now" or "Lethal Injection". Everybody can agree that Dre, Cube, Pac are all classic artist but all of their shit won't be on blast in the future, no matter how good/classic it is to us. "Darkside of the moon"= timeless; "Ready To Die" =classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmBqdIwcQjM
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^what's the point of Nas adding 4 or 5 extra songs that aren't classic songs?
every song from start to finish is a 5/5 classic; why just add songs so you have more material to listen to that you would just call weak (compared to the rest) & then disrespect the album?
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I'm not a fan of early gangstarr albums either.. Preme's beats just weren't right until Moment of Truth.. imo thats their magnum opus. Ownerz was hot too.
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ALL THAT WACC ASS EAST COAST SHIT FUCC NAS FUCC GANGSTARR FUCC GAY Z FUCC BDP FUCC ALL THAT BULLSHIT. WU-TANG GETS A PASS BUT ITS STILL WEST COAST 4 LYFE HOMEBOY 818 MIDDLE EAST RAVE GANG HOMIE MAN UP OR LAY DOWN
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Illmatic overrated!?!?! Ok end this this thread asap
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Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
that right there is blasphemy. A statement like this should make your opinion void on any future hip hop discussions.
lol... i fucks wit Illmatic (1 of the 1st albums i've ever brought) but 9 songs just don't do it 4 me. I'm not denyin' that tha shit is pure fire (i'd be a deaf bastard if i didn't believe that). but it's way too short. a Kalassic is something that should be longer than 35/45 minutes. It took Nas 2 years to do Illmatic and only came out with 9 songs, naw i can't vouch 4 a classic. Timeless yes, classic no- there is a difference. The Chronic=classic; timeless= no. People will begin to put that album down (after this generation) once Dre drops Detox. It'll be like "2pacolypse Now" or "Lethal Injection". Everybody can agree that Dre, Cube, Pac are all classic artist but all of their shit won't be on blast in the future, no matter how good/classic it is to us. "Darkside of the moon"= timeless; "Ready To Die" =classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmBqdIwcQjM
I don't care how long an album is. A masterpiece is a masterpiece and Illmatic may be the closest hip hop has come to a musical masterpiece. More songs could have just ruined it and taken away from the theme of the album. A classic album is supposed to play out like a movie or a book. Taking the best 20s in hip hop and putting them on one album doesn't make it a classic to me any more than taking the 25 best scenes in film and putting them together makes a classic film.
An album that doesn't connect it's songs properly is like a song that has three completely different verses and three completely different choruses. Each verse and chorus may be amazing but if they make no sense together it's not a classic song.
Marvin Gaye's What's Going On is only 9 tracks. Darkside of the moon, which you mentioned is only 10. You don't need to add another 40 minutes to a film to ensure it's a 3 hour classic. The Dark Knight, imo, would have been a lot better with about half an hour less story.
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That was well said shallow but radiotube still won't understand
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That was well said shallow but radiotube still won't understand
I don't expect him to. I just wanted to put my opinion out there.
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Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
that right there is blasphemy. A statement like this should make your opinion void on any future hip hop discussions.
lol... i fucks wit Illmatic (1 of the 1st albums i've ever brought) but 9 songs just don't do it 4 me. I'm not denyin' that tha shit is pure fire (i'd be a deaf bastard if i didn't believe that). but it's way too short. a Kalassic is something that should be longer than 35/45 minutes. It took Nas 2 years to do Illmatic and only came out with 9 songs, naw i can't vouch 4 a classic. Timeless yes, classic no- there is a difference. The Chronic=classic; timeless= no. People will begin to put that album down (after this generation) once Dre drops Detox. It'll be like "2pacolypse Now" or "Lethal Injection". Everybody can agree that Dre, Cube, Pac are all classic artist but all of their shit won't be on blast in the future, no matter how good/classic it is to us. "Darkside of the moon"= timeless; "Ready To Die" =classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmBqdIwcQjM
I don't care how long an album is. A masterpiece is a masterpiece and Illmatic may be the closest hip hop has come to a musical masterpiece. More songs could have just ruined it and taken away from the theme of the album. A classic album is supposed to play out like a movie or a book. Taking the best 20s in hip hop and putting them on one album doesn't make it a classic to me any more than taking the 25 best scenes in film and putting them together makes a classic film.
An album that doesn't connect it's songs properly is like a song that has three completely different verses and three completely different choruses. Each verse and chorus may be amazing but if they make no sense together it's not a classic song.
Marvin Gaye's What's Going On is only 9 tracks. Darkside of the moon, which you mentioned is only 10. You don't need to add another 40 minutes to a film to ensure it's a 3 hour classic. The Dark Knight, imo, would have been a lot better with about half an hour less story.
i guess u didnt understand the part where i said timeless; and in tha same note also said that pink floyds shit was timeless, which should give u an idea of wat im talking about (if u can grasp how deep that is). illmatic is one of those albums that you'll see in 40 years on tv as a collectible item (like they do with "solid gold soul" lol), im fully aware & uncritical of it's stature in hip hop but im still right. but im tha loose cannon, in everybody's eyes i just dont get it. :whistle: i guess
but me personally and i think this should be followed... an EP isn't enough. i want atleast 12 tracks of something to ride to, not a half hour or less of just good music. i coulda sworn the other day i was saying something similar to wat y'all r trying to protest me with... matter of fact it's in this topic. all im saying is the more the better, i wouldn't take off 1 track off All Eyez On Me, and that's a timeless classic it's self (it's both) Illmatic is just timeless bcuz of wat it represents and the sound, it defines Hip Hop (that's obvious). i aint nit-pickin' on it, im just sayin how the album looks down the lines of history and how it will play out in history/the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx8fHJ8XO2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQvt3NusUgk&feature=related
trust me i know about Nas, and one sure dam thing i know is good music. you'll see me on tv and in books talking about this game 1 day lol.... that's some real shit tho 8)
question: if Tha Massacre or When The Smoke Clears 6661 was trimmed down to 10-12 tracks, would you call it classic? what about Tha Doggfather? What if Ice T woulda trimmed down OG, would it be a classic? What about Encore, would it be on the same calibur of his previous albums if it were down to 8-10 tracks with only the serious side of Em? You can't call everything a classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMYOIRLkAE&feature=related
*this has been edited again*
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you can't call everything a classic, neither can you deny a classic if there's already enough material to turn it out into a classic...... "until the end of time", "better dayz", "the art of war", "tha last meal", "tha eastsidaz".... there's so much more... why u think Face always gets so much praise, he keeps his shit short and simple. but let Face drop a double or triple album (solo) you would deny it as a classic bcuz there's so many tracks (excess) and would forget about the 16+ certified bangers that's between the albums, so therefor it wouldn't be classic in your eyes
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If LAX was an EP, same with The Doctor's Advocate, tha haters would shut their fuckin mouths and hail it as a classic... but timeless??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWCTCgs0wao&feature=related
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^1.Evil Deeds - 3/5
2. Never Enough -3.5/5
3. Yellow Brick Road - 4/5
4. Like Toy Soldiers - 4/5
5. Spend Some Time - 3.5/5
6. Encore - 4/5
7. We As Americans - 4/5
8. Mockingbird - 3.5/5
9. nothing else that is as good as these songs (but these songs aren't all that good)
Encore's quantity actually made the quality of his better songs on the album look good lol.
now Illmatic has every song 5/5, classic; there is a huge difference there.
you could do the same with 50's "The Massacre", it would be a similar thing to what i just did with Encore.
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But the fact remains you can't judge an album by what it could have been or say hey if I take the shitty songs off its a great album!you judge an album by what it is not what it could be
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If LAX was an EP, same with The Doctor's Advocate, tha haters would shut their fuckin mouths and hail it as a classic... but timeless??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWCTCgs0wao&feature=related
Hell people already say Doctor's Advocate is a classic as is.
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But the fact remains you can't judge an album by what it could have been or say hey if I take the shitty songs off its a great album!you judge an album by what it is not what it could be
that's so true but still, i can't bite for 8 solo tracks as being an all around classic. you need more, he should've atleast put 10 tracks on the album (solos) and then I wouldn't have said shit, but 2 years on an EP... naw.... like I said i can take a random 8 songs from almost anybody from a 2year span and it'll match illmatic. i know y'all dont like what i'm saying but it's true. hell Will Smiff Dogg has dropped an IllMatic already with CMMDI.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzBO8dsjUZo
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If LAX was an EP, same with The Doctor's Advocate, tha haters would shut their fuckin mouths and hail it as a classic... but timeless??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWCTCgs0wao&feature=related
Hell people already say Doctor's Advocate is a classic as is.
lol we'll see how it plays out in time, it just might be....
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Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
that right there is blasphemy. A statement like this should make your opinion void on any future hip hop discussions.
lol... i fucks wit Illmatic (1 of the 1st albums i've ever brought) but 9 songs just don't do it 4 me. I'm not denyin' that tha shit is pure fire (i'd be a deaf bastard if i didn't believe that). but it's way too short. a Kalassic is something that should be longer than 35/45 minutes. It took Nas 2 years to do Illmatic and only came out with 9 songs, naw i can't vouch 4 a classic. Timeless yes, classic no- there is a difference. The Chronic=classic; timeless= no. People will begin to put that album down (after this generation) once Dre drops Detox. It'll be like "2pacolypse Now" or "Lethal Injection". Everybody can agree that Dre, Cube, Pac are all classic artist but all of their shit won't be on blast in the future, no matter how good/classic it is to us. "Darkside of the moon"= timeless; "Ready To Die" =classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmBqdIwcQjM
I don't care how long an album is. A masterpiece is a masterpiece and Illmatic may be the closest hip hop has come to a musical masterpiece. More songs could have just ruined it and taken away from the theme of the album. A classic album is supposed to play out like a movie or a book. Taking the best 20s in hip hop and putting them on one album doesn't make it a classic to me any more than taking the 25 best scenes in film and putting them together makes a classic film.
An album that doesn't connect it's songs properly is like a song that has three completely different verses and three completely different choruses. Each verse and chorus may be amazing but if they make no sense together it's not a classic song.
Marvin Gaye's What's Going On is only 9 tracks. Darkside of the moon, which you mentioned is only 10. You don't need to add another 40 minutes to a film to ensure it's a 3 hour classic. The Dark Knight, imo, would have been a lot better with about half an hour less story.
i guess u didnt understand the part where i said timeless; and in tha same note also said that pink floyds shit was timeless, which should give u an idea of wat im talking about (if u can grasp how deep that is). illmatic is one of those albums that you'll see in 40 years on tv as a collectible item (like they do with "solid gold soul" lol), im fully aware & uncritical of it's stature in hip hop but im still right. but im tha loose cannon, in everybody's eyes i just dont get it. :whistle: i guess
but me personally and i think this should be followed... an EP isn't enough. i want atleast 12 tracks of something to ride to, not a half hour or less of just good music. i coulda sworn the other day i was saying something similar to wat y'all r trying to protest me with... matter of fact it's in this topic. all im saying is the more the better, i wouldn't take off 1 track off All Eyez On Me, and that's a timeless classic it's self (it's both) Illmatic is just timeless bcuz of wat it represents and the sound, it defines Hip Hop (that's obvious). i aint nit-pickin' on it, im just sayin how the album looks down the lines of history and how it will play out in history/the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx8fHJ8XO2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQvt3NusUgk&feature=related
trust me i know about Nas, and one sure dam thing i know is good music. you'll see me on tv and in books talking about this game 1 day lol.... that's some real shit tho 8)
question: if Tha Massacre or When The Smoke Clears 6661 was trimmed down to 10-12 tracks, would you call it classic? what about Tha Doggfather? What if Ice T woulda trimmed down OG, would it be a classic? What about Encore, would it be on the same calibur of his previous albums if it were down to 8-10 tracks with only the serious side of Em? You can't call everything a classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMYOIRLkAE&feature=related
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So do you think Dark Side is a classic or not? If the answer is no this will definitely be my last post direct to you on this thread.
Anyway, you asked what I think Doggfather or Encore would be with 8 to 10 tracks each; it depends. Encore I flat out don't like so no. I'd have to isten to Doggfather more to think anything of it.
Let me give an example of an album that I think would have been much better. All Eyez On Me, imo, would have been better if it contained the following 10 tracks
"Ambitionz Az a Ridah"
"How Do U Want It"
"No More Pain"
"Heartz of Men"
"Life Goes On"
"Only God Can Judge Me"
"I Ain't Mad at Cha"
"Shorty Wanna Be a Thug"
"Wonda Why They Call U Bitch"
"All Eyez on Me"
The order may have to change but I think those 10 tracks would perfectly capture what Tupac was trying to say on the new album that the other songs either straayed away from or over-emphasized. You may not take one song off of it (how you think Phone # belongs on anyone's album is beyond me) but I would have cut it to those 10 songs. The other good songs could have been on soundtracks.
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If LAX was an EP, same with The Doctor's Advocate, tha haters would shut their fuckin mouths and hail it as a classic... but timeless??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWCTCgs0wao&feature=related
Hell people already say Doctor's Advocate is a classic as is.
not a true classic album, but it's borderline.
a personal classic to some & concidered a Westcoast Classic by most.
but even if you cut songs & just put the best ones; it wouldn't make it a "WHOA THIS IS CLASSIC!" classic lol.
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Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
that right there is blasphemy. A statement like this should make your opinion void on any future hip hop discussions.
lol... i fucks wit Illmatic (1 of the 1st albums i've ever brought) but 9 songs just don't do it 4 me. I'm not denyin' that tha shit is pure fire (i'd be a deaf bastard if i didn't believe that). but it's way too short. a Kalassic is something that should be longer than 35/45 minutes. It took Nas 2 years to do Illmatic and only came out with 9 songs, naw i can't vouch 4 a classic. Timeless yes, classic no- there is a difference. The Chronic=classic; timeless= no. People will begin to put that album down (after this generation) once Dre drops Detox. It'll be like "2pacolypse Now" or "Lethal Injection". Everybody can agree that Dre, Cube, Pac are all classic artist but all of their shit won't be on blast in the future, no matter how good/classic it is to us. "Darkside of the moon"= timeless; "Ready To Die" =classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmBqdIwcQjM
I don't care how long an album is. A masterpiece is a masterpiece and Illmatic may be the closest hip hop has come to a musical masterpiece. More songs could have just ruined it and taken away from the theme of the album. A classic album is supposed to play out like a movie or a book. Taking the best 20s in hip hop and putting them on one album doesn't make it a classic to me any more than taking the 25 best scenes in film and putting them together makes a classic film.
An album that doesn't connect it's songs properly is like a song that has three completely different verses and three completely different choruses. Each verse and chorus may be amazing but if they make no sense together it's not a classic song.
Marvin Gaye's What's Going On is only 9 tracks. Darkside of the moon, which you mentioned is only 10. You don't need to add another 40 minutes to a film to ensure it's a 3 hour classic. The Dark Knight, imo, would have been a lot better with about half an hour less story.
i guess u didnt understand the part where i said timeless; and in tha same note also said that pink floyds shit was timeless, which should give u an idea of wat im talking about (if u can grasp how deep that is). illmatic is one of those albums that you'll see in 40 years on tv as a collectible item (like they do with "solid gold soul" lol), im fully aware & uncritical of it's stature in hip hop but im still right. but im tha loose cannon, in everybody's eyes i just dont get it. :whistle: i guess
but me personally and i think this should be followed... an EP isn't enough. i want atleast 12 tracks of something to ride to, not a half hour or less of just good music. i coulda sworn the other day i was saying something similar to wat y'all r trying to protest me with... matter of fact it's in this topic. all im saying is the more the better, i wouldn't take off 1 track off All Eyez On Me, and that's a timeless classic it's self (it's both) Illmatic is just timeless bcuz of wat it represents and the sound, it defines Hip Hop (that's obvious). i aint nit-pickin' on it, im just sayin how the album looks down the lines of history and how it will play out in history/the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx8fHJ8XO2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQvt3NusUgk&feature=related
trust me i know about Nas, and one sure dam thing i know is good music. you'll see me on tv and in books talking about this game 1 day lol.... that's some real shit tho 8)
question: if Tha Massacre or When The Smoke Clears 6661 was trimmed down to 10-12 tracks, would you call it classic? what about Tha Doggfather? What if Ice T woulda trimmed down OG, would it be a classic? What about Encore, would it be on the same calibur of his previous albums if it were down to 8-10 tracks with only the serious side of Em? You can't call everything a classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMYOIRLkAE&feature=related
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So do you think Dark Side is a classic or not? If the answer is no this will definitely be my last post direct to you on this thread.
Anyway, you asked what I think Doggfather or Encore would be with 8 to 10 tracks each; it depends. Encore I flat out don't like so no. I'd have to isten to Doggfather more to think anything of it.
Let me give an example of an album that I think would have been much better. All Eyez On Me, imo, would have been better if it contained the following 10 tracks
"Ambitionz Az a Ridah"
"How Do U Want It"
"No More Pain"
"Heartz of Men"
"Life Goes On"
"Only God Can Judge Me"
"I Ain't Mad at Cha"
"Shorty Wanna Be a Thug"
"Wonda Why They Call U Bitch"
"All Eyez on Me"
The order may have to change but I think those 10 tracks would perfectly capture what Tupac was trying to say on the new album that the other songs either straayed away from or over-emphasized. You may not take one song off of it (how you think Phone # belongs on anyone's album is beyond me) but I would have cut it to those 10 songs. The other good songs could have been on soundtracks.
you obviously have a hard time dealing with concepts lol
"doggy dogg world" "What Would U Do" is a classic, "california love" is timeless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWZ-cxauRiM - The Classic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo7G6QIJ47M - The Timeless .... both versions
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The car chase scene in Bullet was classic too. That doesn't mean I want to see it in Shawshank Redemption.
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Souls Of Mischief - 93 Til' Infinity....Regarded as a classic by hiphop heads but i think most of the songs were dull , the title track is one of the best rap songs ever though.
^^I've been sleeping all these years on that one. Checked it out, I love the sound and the style. Beautiful time period for hip-hop.
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The car chase scene in Bullet was classic too. That doesn't mean I want to see it in Shawshank Redemption.
that was a fail and i didn't get it but i guess... i'll still fuck wit u off the strength tho.
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All of Jay-Z's albums and songs are over-rated. He has no classic track and no classic album.
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The car chase scene in Bullet was classic too. That doesn't mean I want to see it in Shawshank Redemption.
that was a fail and i didn't get it but i guess... i'll still fuck wit u off the strength tho.
The point is that a great track no matter how good or cool can be in a situation where it does not fit on an album and makes the album worse, even if that track itself is better than most of the tracks on the album.
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Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
that right there is blasphemy. A statement like this should make your opinion void on any future hip hop discussions.
lol... i fucks wit Illmatic (1 of the 1st albums i've ever brought) but 9 songs just don't do it 4 me. I'm not denyin' that tha shit is pure fire (i'd be a deaf bastard if i didn't believe that). but it's way too short. a Kalassic is something that should be longer than 35/45 minutes. It took Nas 2 years to do Illmatic and only came out with 9 songs, naw i can't vouch 4 a classic. Timeless yes, classic no- there is a difference. The Chronic=classic; timeless= no. People will begin to put that album down (after this generation) once Dre drops Detox. It'll be like "2pacolypse Now" or "Lethal Injection". Everybody can agree that Dre, Cube, Pac are all classic artist but all of their shit won't be on blast in the future, no matter how good/classic it is to us. "Darkside of the moon"= timeless; "Ready To Die" =classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmBqdIwcQjM
9 of the best songs ever made on one album by one artist and you still don't think its a classic? Your argument is ridiculous. You arguing that you can find 9 Gucci Mane songs and make an Illmatic is ludicrous. Most rappers don't have 9 songs in their entire career that would equal Illmatic, least of all a crap artist like Gucci Mane. there are a few that do, but they didn't put those songs all on the same album. Give this up, you make yourself even less credible with each post.
and lol at you trying to distinguish between classic and timeless.
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This fool contradicts himself every post...
lol... i fucks wit Illmatic (1 of the 1st albums i've ever brought) but 9 songs just don't do it 4 me. I'm not denyin' that tha shit is pure fire (i'd be a deaf bastard if i didn't believe that). but it's way too short. a Kalassic is something that should be longer than 35/45 minutes. It took Nas 2 years to do Illmatic and only came out with 9 songs, naw i can't vouch 4 a classic. Timeless yes, classic no- there is a difference. The Chronic=classic; timeless= no. People will begin to put that album down (after this generation) once Dre drops Detox. It'll be like "2pacolypse Now" or "Lethal Injection". Everybody can agree that Dre, Cube, Pac are all classic artist but all of their shit won't be on blast in the future, no matter how good/classic it is to us. "Darkside of the moon"= timeless; "Ready To Die" =classic.
Illmatic is 9 tracks, Darkside of the moon is 10.
lol... i fucks wit Illmatic (1 of the 1st albums i've ever brought) but 9 songs just don't do it 4 me. I'm not denyin' that tha shit is pure fire (i'd be a deaf bastard if i didn't believe that). but it's way too short. a Kalassic is something that should be longer than 35/45 minutes. It took Nas 2 years to do Illmatic and only came out with 9 songs, naw i can't vouch 4 a classic. Timeless yes, classic no- there is a difference. The Chronic=classic; timeless= no. People will begin to put that album down (after this generation) once Dre drops Detox. It'll be like "2pacolypse Now" or "Lethal Injection". Everybody can agree that Dre, Cube, Pac are all classic artist but all of their shit won't be on blast in the future, no matter how good/classic it is to us. "Darkside of the moon"= timeless; "Ready To Die" =classic.
"doggy dogg world" "What Would U Do" is a classic, "california love" is timeless['b]
I thought you said Dre, Pac aren't timeless? lmao. I love how your opinion changes with each post
So far you said Gucci Mane and Will Smiff Dogg could make an Illmatic and the Massacre and Encore could be Illmatics if they were cut down to 9 tracks. You have no concept of good music or good lyrics if you believe thats true.
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Souls Of Mischief - 93 Til' Infinity....Regarded as a classic by hiphop heads but i think most of the songs were dull , the title track is one of the best rap songs ever though.
^^I've been sleeping all these years on that one. Checked it out, I love the sound and the style. Beautiful time period for hip-hop.
Yup that album is Hiero at its best, "No Need For Alarm" by Del is ill as fuck, and I reckon "Deltron 3030" has nothing but dope tracks on it
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This fool contradicts himself every post...
lol... i fucks wit Illmatic (1 of the 1st albums i've ever brought) but 9 songs just don't do it 4 me. I'm not denyin' that tha shit is pure fire (i'd be a deaf bastard if i didn't believe that). but it's way too short. a Kalassic is something that should be longer than 35/45 minutes. It took Nas 2 years to do Illmatic and only came out with 9 songs, naw i can't vouch 4 a classic. Timeless yes, classic no- there is a difference. The Chronic=classic; timeless= no. People will begin to put that album down (after this generation) once Dre drops Detox. It'll be like "2pacolypse Now" or "Lethal Injection". Everybody can agree that Dre, Cube, Pac are all classic artist but all of their shit won't be on blast in the future, no matter how good/classic it is to us. "Darkside of the moon"= timeless; "Ready To Die" =classic.
Illmatic is 9 tracks, Darkside of the moon is 10.
lol... i fucks wit Illmatic (1 of the 1st albums i've ever brought) but 9 songs just don't do it 4 me. I'm not denyin' that tha shit is pure fire (i'd be a deaf bastard if i didn't believe that). but it's way too short. a Kalassic is something that should be longer than 35/45 minutes. It took Nas 2 years to do Illmatic and only came out with 9 songs, naw i can't vouch 4 a classic. Timeless yes, classic no- there is a difference. The Chronic=classic; timeless= no. People will begin to put that album down (after this generation) once Dre drops Detox. It'll be like "2pacolypse Now" or "Lethal Injection". Everybody can agree that Dre, Cube, Pac are all classic artist but all of their shit won't be on blast in the future, no matter how good/classic it is to us. "Darkside of the moon"= timeless; "Ready To Die" =classic.
"doggy dogg world" "What Would U Do" is a classic, "california love" is timeless['b]
I thought you said Dre, Pac aren't timeless? lmao. I love how your opinion changes with each post
So far you said Gucci Mane and Will Smiff Dogg could make an Illmatic and the Massacre and Encore could be Illmatics if they were cut down to 9 tracks. You have no concept of good music or good lyrics if you believe thats true.
you arent important enuff 4 me 2 draw it out 4 u but my opinion never changed up and there's a difference. chuck berry= classic; 2pac= timeless
if u dont understand wat i mean by that then i guess i'll go out looking like a hypocritical ignorant ass bastard ass no taste bitchup dick in tha ear ass nigga 2 y'all then... it doesn't bother me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oKD-PskQN0&NR=1
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lmao...chuck berry = classic, 2pac = timeless?
Chuck Berry's been making music since the 50s and is a legend and pioneer of rock n roll. 2Pac's music has only been around for 16 years. Now you're just confusing yourself.
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lmao...chuck berry = classic, 2pac = timeless?
Chuck Berry's been making music since the 50s and is a legend and pioneer of rock n roll. 2Pac's music has only been around for 16 years. Now you're just confusing yourself.
i just think u like drama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5w8TviDeDg&feature=related
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lmao...chuck berry = classic, 2pac = timeless?
Chuck Berry's been making music since the 50s and is a legend and pioneer of rock n roll. 2Pac's music has only been around for 16 years. Now you're just confusing yourself.
i just think u like drama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5w8TviDeDg&feature=related
Chuck Berry is so much more timeless than Tupac it's not even close. How is Johnny B Good not timeless? You can play that rack anywhere at any time and people will love it. What about Tupac transcends time more than Berry?
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lmao...chuck berry = classic, 2pac = timeless?
Chuck Berry's been making music since the 50s and is a legend and pioneer of rock n roll. 2Pac's music has only been around for 16 years. Now you're just confusing yourself.
i just think u like drama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5w8TviDeDg&feature=related
Chuck Berry is so much more timeless than Tupac it's not even close. How is Johnny B Good not timeless? You can play that rack anywhere at any time and people will love it. What about Tupac transcends time more than Berry?
you're a nerd
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lmao...chuck berry = classic, 2pac = timeless?
Chuck Berry's been making music since the 50s and is a legend and pioneer of rock n roll. 2Pac's music has only been around for 16 years. Now you're just confusing yourself.
i just think u like drama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5w8TviDeDg&feature=related
I was placed in this world to put the ignorant in their place
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lmao...chuck berry = classic, 2pac = timeless?
Chuck Berry's been making music since the 50s and is a legend and pioneer of rock n roll. 2Pac's music has only been around for 16 years. Now you're just confusing yourself.
i just think u like drama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5w8TviDeDg&feature=related
I was placed in this world to put the ignorant in their place
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cool brotha man, now stop bitchin
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lmao...chuck berry = classic, 2pac = timeless?
Chuck Berry's been making music since the 50s and is a legend and pioneer of rock n roll. 2Pac's music has only been around for 16 years. Now you're just confusing yourself.
i just think u like drama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5w8TviDeDg&feature=related
Chuck Berry is so much more timeless than Tupac it's not even close. How is Johnny B Good not timeless? You can play that rack anywhere at any time and people will love it. What about Tupac transcends time more than Berry?
you're a nerd
Thank you.
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there would be no 2pac without chuck berry
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Joe Budden cds
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NO Gangstarr albums are classic. I've tried to listen to most of them but always found myself getting sleepy and or bored everytime
Illmatic. Way too overrated. I mean serious 9 tracks that are all (besides 1) under 5 minutes long. It's 9 songs, not 15. I can take 9 Gucci Mane songs from some mixtapes (all made in the same year) and make a better album than Illmatic.... real talk!
wow. i bump gucci mane but they are on two totally different levels. i can't stress enough how illmatic is classic. gucci mane hasn't made one classic album. fuck a mixtape
i don't want to insult you like most of the people on here will probably do after reading this quote but god damn, you make it pretty easy.
naw, niggaz just don't fuck wit everything people think is "classic"- look at how y'all think of me for example. im like the only person who even has a copy of Illmatic or who even remembers that album. niggaz still remember Doggystyle, but not Illmatic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47UiDsn1lE0
Nobody remembers Illmatic? If you say so.
maybe up North they still ride out 2 that shit but once you hit Maryland and all tha way to California that shit is dead. I'm tellin' u, Illmatic is like an old Parliment tape now, no lie. This isn't my opinion neither, just my observation and numerous encounters talking with people.
bullshit . you wrong about people not riding out 2 that shit once you hit Maryland and all tha way to California. people in st louis st il ride to it . i was just driving to work with it in cd player . i have the original version & the 10th edition.. Illmatic is time less & a classic & so is the chronic timeless & a classic,youngster .those are not opinions but true hip hop facts .so deal with young pup because this is not your culture or music first because anybody who thinks gucci man is any good is too young to know what good music or real hip hop is. it does not matter how many songs are on classic & that is fat . so deal with it!
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there would be no 2pac without chuck berry
then sometimes i wish there was never a chuck berry