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Lifestyle => Tha G-Spot => Topic started by: Youngster323 on February 10, 2002, 01:02:05 PM
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Poor kobe, he returns to his hometown , plays his game, and gets 31 points 5 boards, and 5 assists and gets the MVP and everytime kobe got the ball the fans were booing, and then when he got the award it was even louder. Kobe has had his feelings hurt definetly. I mean, just imagine goin back to your hometown and they start to boo you for playing a good game. Its just not right.
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yeah true...but this all-star game was whack for real compared to previous ones since there were barely any highlight reels...and the first timers really fucked up the whole concept of an all-star game.....(nowinski, zerbiack, nash, peja, francis) what the fuck r these fools even in the game anyways??? just cuz they improved a lot doesn't make them no fucking all star damn fuck don nelson and byron scott....and the people that everybody wanted to see weren't even playing as much as they should've been (jordan, iverson, etc. ) shit was whack..the real MVP should've been mcgrady....even kobe didn't do any spectacular moves just scored alot...people that didn't deserved in all star game imo just straight jacked up everything...barely no fancy shit...just shooting the ball...damn if i wanted to see people shooting all the time then i would've watched the 3 pt contest all day..
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hahahahahha, that fucker kobe deserves that, lol, mcgrady should have gotten mvp
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I don't feel sorry for Kobe ...Everybody knows that Kobe is probably the best player in the NBA...When you're on top they're always gonna try and bring you down...And Dirk Nowitzky is mos def an all-star...
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they were just booing kobe because they were jeolouse that they have iverson, and the lakers have kobe...
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they were just booing kobe because they were jeolouse that they have iverson, and the lakers have kobe...
LMAO, Iverson would school Kobe
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LMAO, Iverson would school Kobe
remember last year at philly when Iverson didnt have any points in one half against the Lakers in the regular season, that game KObe blocked 3 shots of Iverson. so tell me who would school who now...
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hahahahahha, that fucker kobe deserves that, lol, mcgrady should have gotten mvp
Tim Duncan and KEvin Garnett had a better game than McGrady
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i still think if they had a 1 on 1 game, iverson would win, but i mean kobe did play a good game but he played a boring game while mcgrady did those 2 tight ass dunks and hit all the nice shots that got some noise outta the crowd, kobe is a really good player tho, i just dont like him much
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what about the crossover on Jason Kidd (one of the best defenders in the leauge), the unbalanced layup. Kobe is so talented that he made Jason kidd look like a rookie that doesnt know what to do.
PS what the fuck is so wrong about KOBE? the fact that he is the first player since jordan to score more than 30 points in an All Star game, the fact that he was the youngest player to start in an All Star game, the fact that he has two championship rings, the fact that he had 54 points in 34 minutes, the fact that he still has improvement in him.
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what are you tryin to do? make me like him? i never said he was a bad player, but im just sayin i like iverson more, and btw, kobe couldn't have gotten those 2 rings without shaq and everyone knows that
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nah the PS wasnt intented for you, there are alot of laker haters in this world though, i was just givin my thoughts. I mean there are people that are glad to see kobe get his feelings hurts , dont you think thats fucced up
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Tim Duncan and KEvin Garnett had a better game than McGrady
ummm...no you must be crazy.....tim duncan barely even did shit...and kevin garnett had a good game but nowhere near mcgrady....
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kobe was playin by himself or as too much pass, every two minute he had the ball, thats wasn't an all starts match, just some like events like the mcgrady thang or the dunk that mj miss (lol kool tho) anyways last year was boring too but less then that
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why dont yall go suck kobe's dick some more so he feels better. lol. geez. gettin boo'd is part of tha game. thas wha his bitchass gets. maybe itll humble his cocky ass a lil bit. if he didnt have sucha bitch attitude he prolly wouldnta got boo'd. not tah mention, he shot tha ball too damn much. n it wadnt like he was inna zonn mie or nuthin. he jus shot alot. n minority....i feel what yur sayin sumwhat about tha players in tha game. but shit, francis should definetely be in there. he jus had a bad game. whether u like him or not, he can bring excitement for sure....which is what tha all star game is about. Nowitsky also desereves a spot, he actually got game (u wouldnt think it by lookin at him lol). wha makes the game boring is watchin sumbody like steve nash bring tha ball up tha court. hez good....but could we please not put his boring ass in tha game. at least make him cut hiz fukin hair first! lol i think tha best thing about this all star game tho.....NO STOCKTON...NO MALONE!!!!!!!!! lets all give a fukin round of applause for that shit!!!!!! lol
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ummm...no you must be crazy.....tim duncan barely even did shit...and kevin garnett had a good game but nowhere near mcgrady....
it would be hard for Garnett n Duncan to have a GREAT game, because kobe wont feed tha fukin post. he jus shootz everytime he gets tha ball. n only passes tha ball if he can sumhow get an assist n look spectacular. so u gotta take that into account when sayin whetha they had a good game. if they touched tha ball, n shot it as many times as kobe...theyda had a MUCH better game them him.
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1. all those hopeless sixer fans are just bitter
2. Kobe is one of the best hate him or not, he's BETTER than iverson, TWICE as good as MCgrady, and better than Jason Kidd who is going to win MVP this season
3.MVP's are won becuase of contribution to the team and it's success not becuase you have a couple of fancy dunks, look pretty or gangster and have the crowd behind your back....hell if that was the case kobe and garnett would have won it 2 years ago instead of Shaq and Duncan ::) and ANOTHER thing kobe HAD to consume the ball that much becuase no one else was doing jack shit besides him until gary payton got hot, if you didn't notice the west kept falling back every time they substituded kobe out
4. the first year guys did a great job i think except steve francise. Novitski and Nash were helping the west BIG time if ya ask me. Didn't Peja hit a vital 3 when ray allen got hot??
5. this game was tight, good basketball was being played, just becuase there wasn't a grip of fancy plays doesn't mean the game sucked. God y'all watch basketball for the wrong reason's if you just watch it for fancy plays instead of hearty compitition.....and whoever said last years game sucked needs to get raped doggy style , that game was one of the best ever, hell all those basketball annylisers were saying that it went down to the wire and they were playing it like it was a championship game
6. all this 1 on 1 shit about kobe and iverson is horse shit, first of all i think it'd be a tie. but kobe is a better player, why becuase he can win and can do more than just score....plus he gets better and more intellegent EVERY year...hell even jordan and magic said this. another thing about the 1 on 1 thing, stephon marbury would school Jason Kidd on the court 1 on 1...but Jason kidd is better....my proof...the NJ nets....same team different PG.
7. Lakers VS Nets....this june pleezbaleevit
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NO STOCKTON...NO MALONE!!!!!!!!! lets all give a fukin round of applause for that shit!!!!!! lol
as much as i hate those 2 players, they deserve more respect than that .......
the all star game is about having the BEST of the BEST on the court not having the MOST EXCITING of THE MOST EXCITING of the floor or the players with the best haircuts on the floor
if this was the case your boy duncan would be the last person picked in the league
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kobe...better then Iverson. LOL. Kobe is good, n i aint gonna deny it. but laker fans seem to rank him way higher then what he is. Hes got tha potential to be the best in the league. but righ now....hell naw. hes got growin up to do STILL. He'll be better when he stops believin his own hype so much. As far as tha game goes. no one else was doin shit....cus kobe wasnt passin tha ball. i dunno how many of u play ball. but i played ALOT of basketball in highschool n after. n u gotta understand, u gotta reward tha big men more. kobe didnt do that. its frustrating for down lo players when a guard comes down the court n jus pulls up for three all the time, or tries to get a spectacular dunk all the time. look how MJ plays (sum1 kobe tries to copy his game after). even tho he dominates the game as far as shot attempts...he gives the ball to people when they have an opportunity to do sumthin with it. Kobe (like sum other players) try to make a fancy pass....n it looks tight...but tha person catchin tha ball is in a bad position. id respect him more....if i saw him dribble up tha court more....n jus feed tha post.
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as much as i hate those 2 players, they deserve more respect than that .......
the all star game is about having the BEST of the BEST on the court not having the MOST EXCITING of THE MOST EXCITING of the floor or the players with the best haircuts on the floor
if this was the case your boy duncan would be the last person picked in the league
I know they were good back in tha day. i was only fukin around cus i cant stand em. n Duncans game is still more exciting then Karl eva was. lol
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1. all those hopeless sixer fans are just bitter
2. Kobe is one of the best hate him or not, he's BETTER than iverson, TWICE as good as MCgrady, and better than Jason Kidd who is going to win MVP this season
6. all this 1 on 1 shit about kobe and iverson is horse shit, first of all i think it'd be a tie. but kobe is a better player, why becuase he can win and can do more than just score....plus he gets better and more intellegent EVERY year...hell even jordan and magic said this. another thing about the 1 on 1 thing, stephon marbury would school Jason Kidd on the court 1 on 1...but Jason kidd is better....my proof...the NJ nets....same team different PG.
7. Lakers VS Nets....this june pleezbaleevit
your the homie and all but my reply to 1,2,6,7 is just..............BLAH!!!!!!!!!, lol
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hey say what you want, but i got the 2 best that ever done it backing my statements up....who do you y'all got....a bunch of cheese stake eaters??
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jake....u said kobe is better then iverson, cus he can do more then score....n gets more intelligent every year. well, getting more intelligent doesnt measure shit. yur SUPPOSED to get more intelligent. n as far as him doin more then scoring...he doesnt. he jus shoots alot...n scores alot. Yur gonna tell me hes a better defensive player or better floor leader then Iverson?? lol
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damn kobe played a good game but i think that the game needed more highlights. too much 3 point shootin and postin up. slack on d a little and let the other team do some awesome alley oops and shit. this game was suppose to be fun and not competitive like the playoffs. the funniest part was when webber got stuffed by the rim then jordan blew a dunk on a breakaway. embarassing for both those guys. did neone see webbers shoes?? they were all chrome lookin laces and all.
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damn kobe played a good game but i think that the game needed more highlights. too much 3 point shootin and postin up. slack on d a little and let the other team do some awesome alley oops and shit. this game was suppose to be fun and not competitive like the playoffs. the funniest part was when webber got stuffed by the rim then jordan blew a dunk on a breakaway. embarassing for both those guys. did neone see webbers shoes?? they were all chrome lookin laces and all.
u should check tha "AND1 Mixtapes" if u wanna see all that offensive shit. Them thingz are tight as fuk. Any of them type of videos. Street ballaz alwayz originate new moves that ud neva see NBA playaz do.
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aight man thanks. im gon look for that shit. i love watchin dunks and shit like that where u just be like damn did u see that. but watchin a good game is aight too. thanks for the info tone.
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jake....u said kobe is better then iverson, cus he can do more then score....n gets more intelligent every year. well, getting more intelligent doesnt measure shit. yur SUPPOSED to get more intelligent. n as far as him doin more then scoring...he doesnt. he jus shoots alot...n scores alot. Yur gonna tell me hes a better defensive player or better floor leader then Iverson?? lol
tell me how IVerson is a better defender than KObe? Tim Duncab had 14 rebounds and 14 points , thats a MVP performance too. NObody was bitchin when Iverson took 6 more shots than Kobe , last year int he all star game. Nobody boo'd him
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tell me how IVerson is a better defender than KObe? Tim Duncab had 14 rebounds and 14 points , thats a MVP performance too. NObody was bitchin when Iverson took 6 more shots than Kobe , last year int he all star game. Nobody boo'd him
Iverson is a quicker player. hes a better "on the ball" defender. n hes ALWAYS in the passing lanes. one of the best in the league at steals. Kobe hasnt impressed me at ALL as a defensive player. and as for Iverson takin 6 more shots then Kobe. He took 6 more shots then kobe did THAT year. not 6 more then kobe took yesterday. shit he almost set a record for most shots takin in an all star game. n didnt even play that well. i think it bugz me a lil when i see sum1 go into tha all-star game...and its obvious they are jus tryin to win the MVP. If he woulda scored 31 points...n jus been on fire durin the game...i wouldnt say shit. but he wasnt...juss playin for himself.
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hahahahahha, that fucker kobe deserves that, lol, mcgrady should have gotten mvp
hater.
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Iverson is a quicker player. hes a better "on the ball" defender. n hes ALWAYS in the passing lanes. one of the best in the league at steals. Kobe hasnt impressed me at ALL as a defensive player. and as for Iverson takin 6 more shots then Kobe. He took 6 more shots then kobe did THAT year. not 6 more then kobe took yesterday. shit he almost set a record for most shots takin in an all star game. n didnt even play that well. i think it bugz me a lil when i see sum1 go into tha all-star game...and its obvious they are jus tryin to win the MVP. If he woulda scored 31 points...n jus been on fire durin the game...i wouldnt say shit. but he wasnt...juss playin for himself.
dont you think that cuz Iverson is a small guard its easier for him to get in the lane plus his quikness. Hes definetly a good player on the offense but i dont give him much credit on D. Kobe has to guard players like Tracy, Vince, Stojakovich or however u spell it, the list goes on and on. so its real tough for kobe to be a good defender, yet he still gets called for either the 1st or 2nd all defensive team. oh and my bad about the 6 shots i misread it somwhere. but just look at Wilt Chamberlain..this is taken from the LA TImes
"Wilt Chamberlain spurned the Big Five schools, went to Kansas, left town again when the NBA Warriors moved to the Bay Area, returned to the 76ers, commuted from New York, ripped his home town in the press, forced the 76ers to trade him, then refused their entreaties to retire his jersey for more than 20 years before finally deigning to accept.
Yet, Wilt remained a local hero. When they finally put his No. 13 on the Spectrum wall, the 76ers could have sold 100,000 tickets."
Yea I know Wilt is a legend but Kobe should at least get some respect for giving us a show. Just imagine the game wihtout kobe, the WEst could not even score when Kobe was on the bench, the only player that was scoring was Payton. philly fans are trippin cuz he left Philly thats life if i was to start trippin cuz Tyson Chandler went to the Bulls. Its jsut ignorant. Show some respect for Kobe, Philly.
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ok this is what i don't understand Iverson is the KING of ball hogs shooting like up to 30 shots a game sometimes, yet Kobe is greedy?
and ummmm how is iverson a better defender, when kobe is well capapable of defending smaller and quicker dudes like:
jason kidd (all star game made him look like a rook, even marv alber and the other announcers said so)
iverson (....finals last year and the 2 games they played last year)
and many others
and at the same time he can guard small forwards and shooting guards, hell if you didn't notice in the playoffs they had KOBE guard the point guards ......
i don't know how many lakers games you watch but it's obvious not many becuase you just pull this stuff out of your head and base them on your disliking for him....i hate malone and stockton but i'm not going to discredit them
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ok this is what i don't understand Iverson is the KING of ball hogs shooting like up to 30 shots a game sometimes, yet Kobe is greedy?
and ummmm how is iverson a better defender, when kobe is well capapable of defending smaller and quicker dudes like:
jason kidd (all star game made him look like a rook, even marv alber and the other announcers said so)
iverson (....finals last year and the 2 games they played last year)
and many others
and at the same time he can guard small forwards and shooting guards, hell if you didn't notice in the playoffs they had KOBE guard the point guards ......
i don't know how many lakers games you watch but it's obvious not many becuase you just pull this stuff out of your head and base them on your disliking for him....i hate malone and stockton but i'm not going to discredit them
EXACTLY!!!!
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and ANOTHER mother fucking thing, Kobe plays behind shaq (my favorite player by the way) who is always going to rightfully command the most shots so when kobe goes into those shooting sprees it's becuase they're well deserved/anticipated.....if MC grady,carter, iverson, or anyone else for that matter that y'all worship was on the lakers the SAME shit would be happening, they'd be doing the same thing as kobe (not a well though IMO) and be hated on by all you bitter fans who havn't seen a championship in years or are bitter becuase you got raped by shaq and co. somewhere down the march to the championship.....when the lakers got swept by the spurs 3 years ago in the last game in the GWF did our home crowd discredit or say dumb shit about duncan and robinson?? no we might've cheered for NY in the finals but hey we arn't discrediting talent
Tim Duncan is a great player but is far from even remotely being exciting , yet ya'll complain about novitski, nash....oh and this is what REALLY irks me, JOHN STOCKTON, AND KARL MALONE!!!??! wtf . john stockton is one of the best players ever at point and karl malone is without a shadow of a doubt the best PF in the NBA's history...duncans not even the best pf in the league right now....god i can go on and on
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and ANOTHER reason why kobe is better than iverson is that anyone who saw the rookie all star game iverson and kobe's rookie year KNOWS that if the west's all star rookies would've won that Kobe would've gotten rookie MVP over iverson , i mean damn kobe had the better game and yet passed the ball far more than iverson
and for everyone bitching about kobe taking all them shots sunday, wtf do you call iverson's shooting escapades during the regular season??
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and another thing about the arrogance issue
just look at that iverson picture up in doggystylin's avatar.....that ain't even iverson at full arrogance and yet i'd LOOOOOOVE to see anyone find a more arrogant picture of kobe
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what would u say the reason is so many people dislike Kobe?? other then Laker fans that suck his dick. hes prolly one of the most unliked players in the game by other fans. Do u REALLY think its because people are hating on him? LOL. People LUV Jordan, n he was the greatest FOR YEARS. Kobe isnt even the greatest NOW. so theres a reason behind it. He is a FAKE, ARROGANT ass. Iverson got sum arrogance too, i aint gonna lie. But its nowhere near Kobes level because Kobe pretends to be this righteous muthafucka.
As for his game, AGAIN...Iverson is STILL a better defender then kobe. do u play basketball jake?? im guessin no. guarding tha point is much harder then guarding the off guard. cus yur CONSTANTLY playing D on the ball. Tha off guard (Kobe) can jus deny players the ball by running around with them. but tha point has to guard the ball frum tha moment its brought in bounds. and as for getting steals...the off guard prolly has a BETTER chance to be in the passing lanes then the point. because the off guard is USUALLY trailing a shooter coming off a pick...n can step in front of a pass. N no one complaining about Iverson shooting so much....well...he HAS to. His team depends on him to shoot...as do the Wizards with Jordan. Kobe'z problem is...he thinks he has to shoot that much too. he DOESNT. he jus does it anyways to get the spotlight. He has other scorers around him (shaq). Thas why he looked ridiculous in the All Star game was because amongst ALL those stars, some of them better then him...he felt it necessary (because he was in his "home" city) to shoot tha ball every fukin time he touched it. U say im backing up my facts with my dislike of him. well yur backing up yurs with the fact that u luv him. I aint gonna lie, i cant stand Kobe...but thas his personality i dont like. not his game. so when i criticize his game...im criticizing JUST that. Hes not tha best player in the league. n hes not anywhere near the MVP. well, lemme correct that...id say hes in the top 6 for MVP. But id put Shaq ahead of him, id put Duncan ahead of him, id put Garnett ahead of him, Iverson WOULD be, but his team isnt doin shit righ now. Id even put Jason Kidd n Jordan above him at this point in tha season.
So for yur boyfren Kobe, yah hez a good player. No doubt. no matter how much hez a bitch....hes still a good player. but tha best in the league? thas jus stupid. N if u wanna talk about versatility in defense...how ABOUT Tim Duncan? Do u remember when they played the Lakers a few yrs ago in the playoffs? n had Duncan guard...Shaq....Kobe...and Derek fisher all in the same game?? how many 7 footers are guardin tha point?
by tha way Jake, this shit aint meant to be no beef wit u foo. it seem like u wanna take it there. im jus disagreein wit u on this shit...n prolly alwayz will. Unless Kobe sumhow finds a fukin personality LOL
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what would u say the reason is so many people dislike Kobe?? other then Laker fans that suck his dick. hes prolly one of the most unliked players in the game by other fans. Do u REALLY think its because people are hating on him? LOL. People LUV Jordan, n he was the greatest FOR YEARS. Kobe isnt even the greatest NOW. so theres a reason behind it. He is a FAKE, ARROGANT ass. Iverson got sum arrogance too, i aint gonna lie. But its nowhere near Kobes level because Kobe pretends to be this righteous muthafucka.
kobe is not the most hated players in the nba ....if he was his card value wouldn't be as high as it is, and again when people like Jordan and Magic , the best 2 players ever, say he's the best i'mma listen to them other than some bitter spur/sixer fans
As for his game, AGAIN...Iverson is STILL a better defender then kobe. do u play basketball jake?? im guessin no.
actually i do you're talking to the starting center for noble elementries b-ball squad that went undefeated, washington jr. high's starting small fwrd, and east high's shooting/point guard
guarding tha point is much harder then guarding the off guard. cus yur CONSTANTLY playing D on the ball. Tha off guard (Kobe) can jus deny players the ball by running around with them. but tha point has to guard the ball frum tha moment its brought in bounds. and as for getting steals...the off guard prolly has a BETTER chance to be in the passing lanes then the point. because the off guard is USUALLY trailing a shooter coming off a pick...n can step in front of a pass.
again it's obvious how much laker basketball you really watch becuase if you didn't notice any time the lakers played a team with a substancial point guard like jason kidd and allen iverson phil jackson put kobe on them and do you know what the end result was? a subpar performance by kobe's man and a laker victory
N no one complaining about Iverson shooting so much....well...he HAS to. His team depends on him to shoot...as do the Wizards with Jordan. Kobe'z problem is...he thinks he has to shoot that much too. he DOESNT. he jus does it anyways to get the spotlight. He has other scorers around him (shaq).
again this prooves once again that you don't watch much laker basketball, becuase kobe only shoots the ball alot when shaq is out and they need a scorer or when shaq makes it a point that it's going to be a "kobe" night. and abut iverson's that's more than a hypocritica statement, the lakers need kobe to shoot that much too, and hey at least kobe makes half of his shots.....uh and what's iverson's field goal percentange....yeah that's what i thought
Thas why he looked ridiculous in the All Star game was because amongst ALL those stars, some of them better then him...he felt it necessary (because he was in his "home" city) to shoot tha ball every fukin time he touched it.
and you know what every sports writer and anyone with a none bias to kobe will disagree with you there....don't believe me??? go check out fox sports.com
U say im backing up my facts with my dislike of him. well yur backing up yurs with the fact that u luv him. I aint gonna lie, i cant stand Kobe...but thas his personality i dont like. not his game. so when i criticize his game...im criticizing JUST that.
actually i like shaq, penny, marbury, ALOT more than kobe bryant and the only players i "luv" are shaq and magic....kobe's got game the second best in the NBA only behind shaq
Hes not tha best player in the league. n hes not anywhere near the MVP. well, lemme correct that...id say hes in the top 6 for MVP. But id put Shaq ahead of him, id put Duncan ahead of him, id put Garnett ahead of him, Iverson WOULD be, but his team isnt doin shit righ now. Id even put Jason Kidd n Jordan above him at this point in tha season.
as of right now i wouldn't give him the MVP either, it's kidd's year....but i would put kobe above duncan becuase of the game where we beat san antonio and becuase san antonio's record is worse than the lakers , over garnett becuase garnett will never ever take the wolves past the first round, jordan is still good but the wizards success isn't TOTALLY jordan....phil collins (a great coach) deserves credit, Tyron Lue, (a great player) deserves credit, their rookie center, all deserve credit towards the wizards turn around, Jason kidd like i said is so far the MVP the nets are exactly the same team as last year yet have a new point....jason kidd who has taken that team to the top...., so about the only person i agree with over kobe is shaq who can still dominate with a fucked up big toe
So for yur boyfren Kobe
aright, great way to show your maturity when your losing an argument mr. "piru blood"
yah hez a good player. No doubt. no matter how much hez a bitch....hes still a good player. but tha best in the league? thas jus stupid.
thanks again for showing your maturity and resorting to childish name calling....and for calling Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan stupid
N if u wanna talk about versatility in defense...how ABOUT Tim Duncan? Do u remember when they played the Lakers a few yrs ago in the playoffs? n had Duncan guard...Shaq....Kobe...and Derek fisher all in the same game?? how many 7 footers are guardin tha point?
i wnont make any excuses for the play of that game, but it's kinda hard to win a game with an unorganised team and a person who has no business coaching which was one of the worst performances by the lakers in history so half of duncan's credit can be added to the sloppy play of the lakers not duncan's defensive talent.....how many times has duncan been abl to duplicate that play...none and oh yeah lets not forget last years game.....damn what was it 40 point defisite derek fish setting a record for threes, shaq bitching up duncan AND robinson, and kobe gettin his game on too
by tha way Jake, this shit aint meant to be no beef wit u foo. it seem like u wanna take it there. im jus disagreein wit u on this shit...n prolly alwayz will. Unless Kobe sumhow finds a fukin personality LOL
i ain't trying to make it a beef "foo" your the one spewing all that childish ish "foo"
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first off, my "name callin" as u call it...was only in response to yurs. check tha thread. Second, im FAR frum a sixer fan. i honestly dont like tha east so much. U say im bein biased with my view toward kobe...check yahself first. im not discounting that hes good....i jus dont believe hes the best. n theres many reasons to back that up. one day he might be, but righ now....i dont think so. U dont hear me runnin off at tha mouth about how Duncan is tha best player in the league. n i could easily argue it. N his game is WAY more mature then Kobe's is. i only mention duncans name when listing the top players. but i dont think hes THE best right now, but one of the top 4 for sure. You luv tha lakers so much that u would probably list the top 10 in the league as the lakers starting 5....n the bench. Yur MVP choice might be tha only thing i can agree with u on. Jason Kidd is prolly at the top right now IMO. when i measure MVP....i look at...."what would this team do without this player". thas why i regard Iverson, Duncan, Jordan, Kidd.....so high. The lakers would still make the playoffs without Kobe. the rest of those teams....i dont know about. The spurs could...in the east for SURE lol. but tha west is strong. So, seein as how the lakers could make the playoffs without him....they would hafta be DOMINATING everyone right now....for me to consider him MVP. n theyre not....by any meanz.
As for u playin JV, or whateva u play. Congradulations lol. j/k. But please believe i been playin ball foreva. i aint tryna diss wha u doin...im jus sayin. sum of tha foolz ive played with have played against these NBA muhafuckaz. One dood we used tah play wit....came out of high school, n lit up Jason Kidd for 48 points in a game down here. N also played against Jordan at a Chicago rookie camp. n was bein sought by tha lakers. so my opinions of sum of these NBA players....come frum what ive heard about them thru these foolz whove played against them. Actually...one of tha muhafuckaz that used tah ball where we play at...was Stu Lance's son....Shane. He tried out fah the lakers too. so im not jus speakin blindly. but regardless.....fuk this argument. im thru. so u can have tha last word in this shit....i dont really care. im gettin bored wit it lol. peace
n no beef......but still....FUK THA LAKERS! lol
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Put Kobe on the Sixers in place of iverson and he would average 50 points a game...
Shaq and Kobe have to split points, Iverson has no one to split his points with, and is not even a defensive player period...If you heard the comments after tha all star game, you woulda seen how everyone was praising Kobe and his defense (Including the bitch Iverson who was talking with his FAKE ebonix and acting hard like hes from the ghetto)...
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Put Kobe on the Sixers in place of iverson and he would average 50 points a game...
Shaq and Kobe have to split points, Iverson has no one to split his points with, and is not even a defensive player period...If you heard the comments after tha all star game, you woulda seen how everyone was praising Kobe and his defense (Including the bitch Iverson who was talking with his FAKE ebonix and acting hard like hes from the ghetto)...
lol......fake? U praisin Kobe....n callin Iverson Fake? LOLOL Plus, u think havin shaq on yur team makes it harder to score...when yur a shooting guard? LOL good basketball knowledge. Shaq draws double teams constantly, n guess what that means?? sumbodies OPEN lol. Iverson has to play str8 up against players all night....n is usually tha opposing teams MAIN focus on defense. nobody goes into a game against philly....worryin about stoppin Dikembe lol.
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15 assists for Kobe last Night...
a muthafuckin triple-double...
CrIverson aint seein kobe in this lifetime boy...
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big jake its DOUG collins not PHIL collins...lmao... ::)
kobe not arrogant???? ok then what do you call taking 25 shots to get 31 points at the all star game? what do you call the interview after the lakers-wizards game?? kobe NOT only is he the most arrogant player in the NBA (its NOT a bad thing though) this motherfucker think he actually is the best....he is believing his own hype......when he couldn't do the things jason kidd, jordan is doing right now and he is the 2nd best player behind shaq???? fuck that shit..shaq is dominent NOT BEST....you see the difference??? just cuz a player is the most dominent DOSEN'T MAKE him the BEST...shaq's best skill is his SIZE.....dude can't make a simple free throw, dude has a 10 inch shooting range, dude think he's dunks are spectacular.... ::), come on man..do i gotta explain more??? if shaq was about kevin garnetts size, kevin garnett will embarass him in a quickness and that goes for duncan, webber, wallace, even 100 year old david robinson will murder him...its obivious they have better SKILL than shaq its just that shaq is TOO FUCKING BIG thats IT....why do you think even you're announcers always referr to him as the most DOMINENT???? lmao...and you actually relie on what the announcers say???? LMAO!!!!! and these are the same annoucers that say danny ainge was a all-star, and karl malone and john stockton are CHAMPIONS...yeah sure..... ::)....shaq and kobe are 2 of the most OVERRATED players ever in the game....but hey thats understandable since they are the champions after all.....
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AMEN minority....preach fah these foolz! lol
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hmmm shaq's only asset is his size ::)
riiiight, he was the same fucking size as zo duncan webber and wallace his rookie year but was STILL dominating....so fuck that, and shaq is one of the quickest centers in the league...ignorant statement number on by minority. no skill? shaq is the best passing center in the game, no skill? shaq has one of the best ball handling skills for a center in the game....dude crosses over dudes in games takes it up court, leads fast breaks once in a while just as good as any small forword or 2 guard for that matter...shows the only time you see shaq is on sports center shit i could go on and on and on and on
there are /have been bigger centers than shaq but NONE, and i mean NONE have shown even half of the skill as shaq, just becuase you got range doesn't mean your a better player,sean rooks has a longer range than shaq and just about ever center in the league just about , does that mean he's better than Zo'?? hell you wanna go through a list of players that have more range than jordan in his prime??? shaq isn't some fat tall dude that is playing with a bunch of midets theres more to his game than just that, if you want to make silly excuses like he's only good becuase he's big....then why the fuck isn't Bryant Reeves dominating?? until i see another center take on 5 blazers in a playoff game and STILL come out on top with a rim rocking dunk....i'll put them in the same category as shaq
and i'm not the only one who has crowned shaq as the best player in the league
in 96' phil jackson said shaq would be the best in the league if it wasn't for jordan
various sports announcers from TNT, NBC, FOX SPORTS,TBS, ect. have said this
just about every sports annyliser has said this
espn magazine, sports illistrated, the sporting news, USA today, and various publications have said this about shaq
man you know what i don't even know why i'm having this argument with you , you've already prooven that you only watch basketball for the fancy dunks and highlights reels than for the actual appreciation of work
point guards are suppose to be the epidomy of what Jason Kidd and Gary Payton is (the ball distributor and last resort for points and leader)
shooting guards are (stereo typically your leading scorers and star the ones who take the most shots (typically) and control the outside
Power forwards are the ones who are the ones who are typically the ones that give it up to when you can't give it to your SG, and who gets the majority of the rebounds
small forwards are your clean up crew, the ones that do the dirty work, and are the medium between the SG and PF
Center is your in the paint points, blocks, rebounds, and basically the super sized version of the PF
all fucking possisions play a DIFFERENT role, as a center your not expected to play the role of small forward which is the latest trend in the NBA....Shaq is the absolute BEST no question about it at his possition and with all the defense he has to face night in and night out and the beating he has to take night in and night out yet still consistantly gets the job done EVERY FUCKING night ...and has been doing this since 92', shaq wasn't always as girthy as he is now....cough cough Cole HS (where he was like the 3rd biggest) LSU, and the first 2 years with the Magic. Shaq has gotten bigger (and like most of his mass is muscle, shaq was said to be the strongest player in the history of the game a few years back) to accostome all the beatings and triple , cuadrouple, and sometims quintiple team action he gets becuase of his.....SKILL
Shaq wouldn't of been named one of the 50 best by knowledgable Basketball heads in only his 4th or 5th year if he was only good becuase of his girth....and like the people who defended their selection shaq said....it's not our fault your ignorant to his skill and contribution to not only his team(s) but the league
if all these players are so much better than shaq, tell me why the fuck he is always praised by other players, for his dominance and SKILL...
man fuck y'all i can go on and on with my argument and back them up with KNOWLEDGABLE dudes who make basketball their life and job....and all you can do is back you shit up with your little personal opinion
man y'all are the nelly fans of basketball if you can't appreciate shaq
i bet you 5 dollars that if shaq was 2 shades lighter and had a 'pretty face' people would be on his jock
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah >:( i'mma fucking stop now y'all are pissing me off
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wtf jake. i thought u said Kobe was tha best player in the league. n now its Shaq? lolol maybe next itll be rick fox LOL. u know wha? sumtimes u make good points about yur arguments. but where u make yurself look ridiculous...is YOU pretend that the lakers are perfect, just because theyre yur favorite team. i have YET to see u say ONE negative thing about them. Shaq or Kobe. Please tell me u dont think theyre game is perfect. Nobodies is. N theyre FAR frum it. N even tha biggest Laker dickrider wouldnt say Shaq has the BEST skills of any big man in the game. that makes NO fukin sense whatsoeva. If u wanna say hes the most dominant, or the hardest to stop...well then u can make an argument for that. but most skilled....LMFAO! He is what he IS....because of his size. im not sayin that discredits what hes done so far in his career. Wilt was the same thing. But skillwise...Shaq has ALOT to improve on. I havent seen Shaq'z SKILLS get that much better. other then gaining a LITTLE bit more range on that one handed jumper of his lol. N as for u comparing him to bryant reeves...cmon now. I think Shaq has done what hes done, because of his size. But im not sayin he has NO talent....then he WOULD be bryant reeves lol. Basically, if he wasnt as big as he is...like sum other centers...he would not even be an all-star...or even much of a threat with tha game he has now. no jumper, cant blow by anyone, or face-up, is only a threat with his back to the basket, n cant shoot free throws. sum pretty crucial things for a big man. Im not holdin his size against him....its not his fault hes big. So its not like id say...he shouldnt be considered one of tha best in tha game. But its MUCH more because of his size...then skill...
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wtf jake. i thought u said Kobe was tha best player in the league. n now its Shaq?
anyone who knows me knows that i've been following and rooting for shaq since 93'.....i have ALWAYS maintained shaq is the best player in the league since the retirment of jordan, and when jordan was in the league, he was the 2nd or third best only behind malone for the 2 years they got dropped by the jazz and hakeem in 95, Kobe is probably the 2nd best player in the league (but the most talented) and like i've said a grip of times just about ever sports writer/annalist , active and retired player will/have agreed with me
sumtimes u make good points about yur arguments. but where u make yurself look ridiculous...is YOU pretend that the lakers are perfect, just because theyre yur favorite team. i have YET to see u say ONE negative thing about them. Shaq or Kobe. Please tell me u dont think theyre game is perfect. Nobodies is.
i never said they were perfect but they are, until someone dethrowns them in the playoffs the best team in the nba when healthy....i got just about every sports writer/annalist active and retired on my side when i say that...who do you got?
N theyre FAR frum it. N even tha biggest Laker dickrider wouldnt say Shaq has the BEST skills of any big man in the game. that makes NO fukin sense whatsoeva. If u wanna say hes the most dominant, or the hardest to stop...well then u can make an argument for that. but most skilled....LMFAO! He is what he IS....because of his size. im not sayin that discredits what hes done so far in his career. Wilt was the same thing. But skillwise...Shaq has ALOT to improve on. I havent seen Shaq'z SKILLS get that much better. other then gaining a LITTLE bit more range on that one handed jumper of his lol. N as for u comparing him to bryant reeves...cmon now. I think Shaq has done what hes done, because of his size. But im not sayin he has NO talent....then he WOULD be bryant reeves lol. Basically, if he wasnt as big as he is...like sum other centers...he would not even be an all-star...or even much of a threat with tha game he has now. no jumper, cant blow by anyone, or face-up, is only a threat with his back to the basket, n cant shoot free throws. sum pretty crucial things for a big man. Im not holdin his size against him....its not his fault hes big. So its not like id say...he shouldnt be considered one of tha best in tha game. But its MUCH more because of his size...then skill...
and as for the rest of your comment, i'll tell you the same thing the people who voted for shaq as one of the 50 greatest said about all the people who disagreed with shaq's selection...it's not our fault your ignorant to his talent and contibution
and shaq WAS as big as chris webber ....upper deck even said this and was and is better....webber has more finess, but so did george gervan compared to jordan
and i find it funny how have barkley as your all time PF yet his skills are about as much as Shaq's and barkley himself has said that shaq is more talented than him
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barkley's skills are the same as shaq....except for the fact that barkley can take someone off the dribble, post up as WELL as shoot the three if need be. n rebound with big men...without much height on his side. you are unbelievably one of tha most BLIND fans ive eva seen. U jus said the lakers are "perfect" LOL jus because u win the championship...doesnt make u perfect. their NOwhere close. no one in BASKETBALL ever has been....or EVER will be "perfect". That comment alone shows me how fuked yur head is on this shit. n Shaq makin the 50 best players WAS ridiculous. right now, id put him in the top 50. hes accomplished more with his career now. but back then, paleez. he made it by popularity. Could u jus ONCE speak the truth about sumthing? admit ONE negative thing about yur team? i wanna see if u can do it. N jus about EVERY analyst agrees with what u say? LOLOL get tha fuk outta here with that shit. yes, sum analyst will agree with it. n alot wont. just like EVERY other subject they discuss....OTHER then "Jordan Being the Best Ever". The other day they were tryin to compare Jordan To Kobe on ESPN n asked Byron Scott who hed rather have shoot tha ball in a game winning situation...the man laffed. who could blame him!? The media LOVES to do this type of shit. n ANYONE who follows basketball knows it. they NEED to have SOMEONE to compare to Jordan....whether its deserved or not. Cus the league is CONSTANTLY hoping that sum1 will come along that can do what Jordan did for the league. That person hasnt come yet. Maybe one day sum1 in the league will be at that level. But lesser minds believe this bullshit...before it becomes true. Media has sum sorta influence huh jake? lol. I hope, for yur TEAMS sake...they dont start to think like u do...or theyll be bounced out of tha playoffs in the FIRST round this year...but i guess theyll still be "perfect" right?! LOLOLOLOLOL
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hmmm. big jake.....you write essays every time when aruging with people in the forum but can't find a time to upload a next eposiode OG??? lmao.....its funny how you keep contradicting yourself when making your bullshit points make up your fucking mind you ignorant..brush your teeth...you talk full of SHIT
bigjake aka lakerFANboy aka mrs. i have no knowledge about b-ball