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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on August 15, 2011, 12:02:24 AM
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I know some kids around where I live who are really into Eminem. It was kind of a revelation for them when they found out that Eminem had some really great material before Recovery. It was kind of interesting, because I was thinking about it, that he disappeared after 2003. So if you were 10 years old in 2003, you might not have really known about him. Then when you were 17 or 18 years old Recovery comes out and you think it's the greatest album ever. But you don't realize that it is just leftover residue from a rapper way past his prime. Then you hear some of his material from 99-2003 and I'm sure that would blow you away.
Anyway, I'm not dissing these kids, they are pretty genuine Eminem fans. And you have to give Eminem props for being talented enough to still connect with a new generation of fans even at the age of 37. It's like a second life for him.
Only thing I can compare it to would be me coming into rap in 1993 with Dre's Chronic album. But imagine if Dre's NWA material was actually better than his work he did later with Death Row. And you went back and heard Efil4zaggin, how much of a revelation that shit would be for you.
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I was ten in 2003, along with everyone who I grew up with & every fuck & their mother knew about Eminem.
It's pretty hard to not hear about him. Which is why this doesn't make sense to me. It's the common human way. It's just like if you were ten-eleven-twelve & Recovery was the first album you heard, you have heads just like you who will tell them "Well, this is whatever, but the MMLP was the best album of all-time". Then naturally they listen to it. However, I know kids younger than me who think the current Eminem is better than the old Eminem. It's also human nature. It's similar to your boy NIK. He missed Jordan play & Kobe was the guy to watch, therefore he thinks Kobe is the best ever. Then you have some guy who watched Bird play & he'll tell you Bird is undeniably the best. People just want to believe that they are witnessing the best & that people who didn't see what they saw are inferior.
& I can't even lie, 2003 is when I first really started to get into Rap & by the end of the year, I had everything he put out, including Infinite lol. But when I heard 50 for the first time, I thought he was incredible. Then people like you said, listen to Tupac & Nas & I understood the difference. Point being, it's not like people my age just went from '03-'10 not hearing about Eminem until Recovery. & what about Encore, Curtain Call (which would had led them to his older shit) & Relapse?
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I was ten in 2003, along with everyone who I grew up with & every fuck & their mother knew about Eminem.
It's pretty hard to not hear about him. Which is why this doesn't make sense to me. It's the common human way. It's just like if you were ten-eleven-twelve & Recovery was the first album you heard, you have heads just like you who will tell them "Well, this is whatever, but the MMLP was the best album of all-time". Then naturally they listen to it. However, I know kids younger than me who think the current Eminem is better than the old Eminem. It's also human nature. It's similar to your boy NIK. He missed Jordan play & Kobe was the guy to watch, therefore he thinks Kobe is the best ever. Then you have some guy who watched Bird play & he'll tell you Bird is undeniably the best. People just want to believe that they are witnessing the best & that people who didn't see what they saw are inferior.
& I can't even lie, 2003 is when I first really started to get into Rap & by the end of the year, I had everything he put out, including Infinite lol. But when I heard 50 for the first time, I thought he was incredible. Then people like you said, listen to Tupac & Nas & I understood the difference. Point being, it's not like people my age just went from '03-'10 not hearing about Eminem until Recovery. & what about Encore, Curtain Call (which would had led them to his older shit) & Relapse?
your case is different, because you said you were listening to him back in 2003.
also your case is different, because these are regular kids and not kids who spend a lot of time on a hip-hop forum. So their knowledge base when it comes to hip-hop is maybe 10% what yours is
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The worst is that Recovery is not even a good album. There's good song sure but it just feels like a pop/mainstream album.
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Kinda reminds me of when a lot of kids (including me) thought Snoop came out with Drop it Like It's Hot. Only to be blown away at his past discography...
kids who spend a lot of time on a hip-hop forum.
Kids spend time on hip hop forums? In my day we would build huge treehouses and battle adult tyranny.
Though I consider the kids you're talking about lucky. If they look into Em's past works, the music that goes into their ears can only get better...
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Everyone knows about Em, regardless if your a hip hop fan or not.
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Everyone knows about Em, regardless if your a hip hop fan or not.
Exactly. Infinite is just' talkin' nonsense again.
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Well, it's all about perspective. I think about all the classic R&B, soul, funk, and other music from the 60's and 70's that I didn't truly get connected with until my late teenage years and it's not much difference.
It's weird to think about hip-hop from the perspective of these kids who were born around or after when it really engulfed the mainstream. It's crazy with having been around when it was boomboxes, tapes, and scratching to see it evolve into this whole other movement in the 90's. For me as a late grade-schooler and going into Junior High, I would hear shit like "Keep Ya Head Up" or the like on the radio and it was just this whole other feeling. It didn't even dawn on me that this was rap. It had the same feelings behind it as some this other pop music. So to me, it's crazy to try and think about how it was for people who grew up or became interested in a time when it was already over-saturated.
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Lol man so true. My girl's lil brother liked Relapse then went nuts over Recovery. One day I said "yo listen to the real eminem" and handed him a copy of The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show. Dude couldn't believe it lol. So now he thinks Eminem is just the greatest thing to ever happen to music.
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there may be some truth to this, but its only idiots who dont even care enough about music to check out an artists old albums. anyway dont worry cause when u grow up wont be hanging around with anyone under 20 so it wont matter lol
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Well, Im 17 and I dont really agree with you. I dont even mean myself, but people arround my enviroment - almost everybody knew Eminem for years, even before his drug addiction (when 'The Eminem Show' was coming out, he had big buzz, him and D12 was aired a lot on MTV, which everybody watched back then, Em has been known by almost everybody).. Its more about interest in him, I didnt see many people listening to 'Eminem Show' or his previous albums, but 'Recovery' cought more people, becouse it fit in better to todays culture. Or at least its how i see that. His previous albums was great, but not for everybody, now all emos and other teenagers, with no taste, manipulated by mainstream media listen to what is given to them, and that was 'Recovery'.
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lol, i mean you do live in canada right? so its no surprise.
but recovery lmao
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This isn't an "agree or disagree" thread. It's a fuckin fact. Teenage kids around my way heard Recovery and thought Eminem was fuckin awesome. They really had no idea that he was actually an artist who was way past his prime. Then some of the more sincere fans went back and heard his older discography and were blown away.
These kids have a huge advantage over our generation in this regard, because they have youtube. I know if I would of had youtube it would of taken me about one day after seeing "Wit A Dre Day" and I would of been checking out tracks from Efil4zaggin and Straight Out Of Comptom. But instead I was wandering around record stores debating on whether or not to buy "Concrete Roots", lol.
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They had Youtube for like five years before "Recovery" even came out. Why was "Recovery" the first album they heard? lol.
Your logics never make sense.
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Theres no way a 17-20 year old could think Recovery was Eminems first album. If they do they've obviously lived a very sheltered life.
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They had Youtube for like five years before "Recovery" even came out. Why was "Recovery" the first album they heard? lol.
Your logics never make sense.
Okay... so these kids come up to me and they tell me that the kids at their school only like Eminem cause of Recovery. And they tell me that they were big fans of him and that they went back and heard his old stuff and that if the kids at their school heard his old stuff they would be blown away like they were in realizing that Em was way past his prime by the time he made Recovery.
So your telling me I'm lying and that these kids around my way didn't come up to me and tell me this? Why would I lie about this. What would I have to gain about making a lie about this?
I just thought it was interesting the affect Em is having on a new generation of fans. And it reminded me a little of when I got into the Chronic album when it came out without knowing about Dre's earlier work with NWA.
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Theres no way a 17-20 year old could think Recovery was Eminems first album. If they do they've obviously lived a very sheltered life.
I have a hard time believing it would be a 15 year old's first album.
Basically just 10-12 would probably hear Recovery first.
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They had Youtube for like five years before "Recovery" even came out. Why was "Recovery" the first album they heard? lol.
Your logics never make sense.
Okay... so these kids come up to me
Wow, that's creepy.
& yeah, I am telling you what these kids who run to talk to you say because I know you're lying just so you can ramble on in another thread about Eminem.
*Patiently waits for your next thread about Nas with some delusional theory or statement*
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They had Youtube for like five years before "Recovery" even came out. Why was "Recovery" the first album they heard? lol.
Your logics never make sense.
Okay... so these kids come up to me
Wow, that's creepy.
& yeah, I am telling you what these kids who run to talk to you say because I know you're lying just so you can ramble on in another thread about Eminem.
*Patiently waits for your next thread about Nas with some delusional theory or statement*
So there is something creepy about me knowing teenagers around my way? Dude... not everybody is a hermit whose sole purpose in life is to bring NIK down over the internet in desperate hopes that he fails in life. LOL
...and okay, yeah, you got me I was just making this up to sound cool.
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Who gives a fuck, their kids. Their music taste will evolve. They could go on wikipedia and discover his old stuff and start youtubing the songs. Who knows a couple of year from now they might start listening to death metal and forget about Eminem.
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They had Youtube for like five years before "Recovery" even came out. Why was "Recovery" the first album they heard? lol.
Your logics never make sense.
Okay... so these kids come up to me
Wow, that's creepy.
& yeah, I am telling you what these kids who run to talk to you say because I know you're lying just so you can ramble on in another thread about Eminem.
*Patiently waits for your next thread about Nas with some delusional theory or statement*
So there is something creepy about me knowing teenagers around my way? Dude... not everybody is a hermit whose sole purpose in life is to bring NIK down over the internet in desperate hopes that he fails in life. LOL
...and okay, yeah, you got me I was just making this up to sound cool.
lol, yes. There is. I could understand if one kid told you this. But you're making it sound like enough have told you this to where you can chalk it up as a fact. Means you'd have to have heard this from plenty of people. Meaning you're 25 (older?) & somehow crossing paths with random 17 year olds? I have friends who are older & when I see them at the park, I don't sit down & have a conversation about Eminem lol.
& not to sound cool. To sound like you know what you're talking about & you just don't.
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lol, yes. There is. I could understand if one kid told you this. But you're making it sound like enough have told you this to where you can chalk it up as a fact. Means you'd have to have heard this from plenty of people. Meaning you're 25 (older?) & somehow crossing paths with random 17 year olds? I have friends who are older & when I see them at the park, I don't sit down & have a conversation about Eminem lol.
& not to sound cool. To sound like you know what you're talking about & you just don't.
LOL..as if the only way to meet people outside your age group is at the park.. LMAO. Seriously man, there is more to the world then waiting for NIK to fail in his life.
...I coach youth sports through the Islamic community here. I have kids I've been working with since they were 12 and 13 years old, and some of them are now in college. I've been coaching them in sports and us older cats administrate football leagues for youth and adults, flag football and basketball leagues. Our community in Kansas City has two Islamic schools, and the schools are large enough to hold their own football fields and basketball courts.
I also coach these kids in their life as well, and I have their back when they need me.
...it's called interacting with people. It benefits the youth to be able to learn from both the knowledge and from the mistakes of those older than them. And it benefits the older generation because we can share our stories with them and extend our legacy. It's a part of the life process. I used to look up to rappers when I was a kid, which I don't regret at all. But at the same time it would of been nice if as a teenager I had older cats in their 20's that I could relate to and learn from who I knew personally.
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damn i cant believe they let you mentor children but at least its only muslims
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damn i cant believe they let you mentor children but at least its only muslims
who is "they"? There is nobody in charge who "let's" me mentor teenagers. They respect me and listen to me, and I value my friendship with them. And it gives me an excuse to play sports and share my experiences/legacy. Simple as that. I don't need a "they" to get permission from to mentor kids.
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I also coach these kids in their life as well, and I have their back when they need me.
You're their gang leader?
...it's called interacting with people. It benefits the youth to be able to learn from both the knowledge and from the mistakes of those older than them. And it benefits the older generation because we can share our stories with them and extend our legacy. It's a part of the life process. I used to look up to rappers when I was a kid, which I don't regret at all. But at the same time it would of been nice if as a teenager I had older cats in their 20's that I could relate to and learn from who I knew personally.
It's a hard knock life, huh?
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I also coach these kids in their life as well, and I have their back when they need me.
You're their gang leader?
...it's called interacting with people. It benefits the youth to be able to learn from both the knowledge and from the mistakes of those older than them. And it benefits the older generation because we can share our stories with them and extend our legacy. It's a part of the life process. I used to look up to rappers when I was a kid, which I don't regret at all. But at the same time it would of been nice if as a teenager I had older cats in their 20's that I could relate to and learn from who I knew personally.
It's a hard knock life, huh?
Shit.. 90% of the people who post here probably looked up to the rappers they listened to when they were kids. That's not a new phenomenon and it's not like I was the first and only kid who ever did that. It doesn't mean I went and tried to join the Crips cause I heard Snoop was in a gang.
It just means being young you try to listen to them and learn form their experiences, positive or negative.
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Big fans of music wouldn't make those type of statements, because if they enjoy something so much they will immediately look for more stuff of that rapper/band/artist etc. I can see a casual music fan making some outrageous statements.
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Islams do live under rocks, so I guess that's why your group of boys you like to touch is an exception to this failure of a thread.
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Islams do live under rocks, so I guess that's why your group of boys you like to touch is an exception to this failure of a thread.
Sorry, I don't know what an "Islams" is... can you enlighten me since you sound so versed on the subject?
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Islams do live under rocks, so I guess that's why your group of boys you like to touch is an exception to this failure of a thread.
Sorry, I don't know what an "Islams" is... can you enlighten me since you sound so versed on the subject?
That's your big "fuck you" back? Pack your bags, sonny. Give up.
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Shit.. 90% of the people who post here probably looked up to the rappers they listened to when they were kids. That's not a new phenomenon and it's not like I was the first and only kid who ever did that. It doesn't mean I went and tried to join the Crips cause I heard Snoop was in a gang.
It just means being young you try to listen to them and learn form their experiences, positive or negative.
But you aren't a kid anymore. And you were saying just a few months ago how Warren G is still a role model for you