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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: rafsta on May 16, 2005, 09:10:52 AM
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why do they have to wear those big clothes all the time ? i was told in Egypt they bust hella fassion under the clothes but its only to wear at home... and i know the ones that wear black had a death in the family, therefor they wear black for the rest of their lives... is this the norm in Muslim religion ? is it taught in the Qur'an ?
and why do some of em only have their eyes poking out ? is it coz the men feel insecure ?
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infinite, im curious of your stance on muslim womens dress code, seeing as you grew up in a westernised world...
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i believe its not a rule set by islam.. just a rule set by certain factions and under certain regimes...
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oh i see... so it isn't really the religion thats fucked up, its some of the people ?
coz everywhere i went in Egypt 98% of the women didnt wear (by our standards) normal clothes... on t.v when i see pics of middle east 98% of the women didnt wear normal clothes like the men...
plus i remember when we were askin the arab dude in more detail about it, he ended up makin a joke sayin the black veil is good coz it attracts heat, makes a bitch sweat and lose weight :-\
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oh i see... so it isn't really the religion thats fucked up, its some of the people ?
yes as is the case with many religions.. everything is open to interpretation.. thats why various factions form.. if groups take important issues other ways..
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i think its because of the strict Taliban Rules
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why is it that when u see a Nunn dressed the way she does....she's devoted herself to God... but when you see a Muslim women dressed up the same......she's "oppressed" ???
ahh but you see.. the difference is 'choice' ;)
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^^^ freedom !!!!
but some women in Islam do prefer to wear a veil, but alot of them have no choice...
Mr. Makaveli, why dont the men devote themselves to God as much as the women then ? do the women owe more to Allah ?
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why do they have to wear those big clothes all the time ? i was told in Egypt they bust hella fassion under the clothes but its only to wear at home... and i know the ones that wear black had a death in the family, therefor they wear black for the rest of their lives... is this the norm in Muslim religion ? is it taught in the Qur'an ?
and why do some of em only have their eyes poking out ? is it coz the men feel insecure ?
In Western society, man's natural inclination towards sex has been mass marketed for profit and severely manipulated. In Western culture, you find women putting makeup on, getting all dressed up and sexy to go out in public to attract attention, and then when they get home around their husband they dress down and throw on some jogging pants and a t-shirt--This is backwards!
However, in Islamic culture, one who is living in a natural state (fitrah), does not view sex as an end in itself, but rather a means to an end. Yes, men have a natural inclination towards sex. Yet in Islam, sex is used for the purpose of bringing closeness, intimacy, and safety into a relationship between husband and wife and for the purpose of bring about righteous children.
A women has two choices. She can exploit a man's natural inclination towards sex, by bringing about temptation and creating distraction in a man's heart, and diverting him from his duties to his Lord, his wife, his family, etc. Or a woman can protect a man's dignity and virtue by dressing in a decent and appropriate manner, and only displaying her beauty to those within her own family.
And it's not just dress. It is modesty in behaivor. It is not enough for the Muslim to just dress appropriately, it is also modesty in behaivor, and it is a virtue to be shy when encountering the opposite sex.
.......btw, Muslim women wearing black has nothing to do with a death in the family.
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LMAO!!!!
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LMAO!!!!
Is there any decency in you?
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Is there any decency in you?
More than you.
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In middle eastern countries the women wear those black costumes because they pretend to be ghosts as a sign of respect to their deceased elders. They are then showered with candy in public as a treat for showing respect. It has nothing to do with sex or some kooky muslim rules, you guys need to lighten up and realize if anyone knows how to have a good time, its muslim people!
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why do they have to wear those big clothes all the time ? i was told in Egypt they bust hella fassion under the clothes but its only to wear at home... and i know the ones that wear black had a death in the family, therefor they wear black for the rest of their lives... is this the norm in Muslim religion ? is it taught in the Qur'an ?
and why do some of em only have their eyes poking out ? is it coz the men feel insecure ?
In Western society, man's natural inclination towards sex has been mass marketed for profit and severely manipulated. In Western culture, you find women putting makeup on, getting all dressed up and sexy to go out in public to attract attention, and then when they get home around their husband they dress down and throw on some jogging pants and a t-shirt--This is backwards!
However, in Islamic culture, one who is living in a natural state (fitrah), does not view sex as an end in itself, but rather a means to an end. Yes, men have a natural inclination towards sex. Yet in Islam, sex is used for the purpose of bringing closeness, intimacy, and safety into a relationship between husband and wife and for the purpose of bring about righteous children.
A women has two choices. She can exploit a man's natural inclination towards sex, by bringing about temptation and creating distraction in a man's heart, and diverting him from his duties to his Lord, his wife, his family, etc. Or a woman can protect a man's dignity and virtue by dressing in a decent and appropriate manner, and only displaying her beauty to those within her own family.
And it's not just dress. It is modesty in behaivor. It is not enough for the Muslim to just dress appropriately, it is also modesty in behaivor, and it is a virtue to be shy when encountering the opposite sex.
.......btw, Muslim women wearing black has nothing to do with a death in the family.
i was told first hand by an arab if there is a death in the immediate family they wear black for the rest of their lives. so i know this for a fact.
i dont agree with the U.S/England/Australian dress code for women, i dont agree with girls letting their tits and ass hang... my girlfirend is French and she dresses with style, she wears modest clothing, like 98% of French girls.
in christian religion sex is meant for intimacy and closeness etc. aswell.
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^^ but at the same time i dont agree with women having no choice but to wear veils in muslim society.
it's one extreme to the next.
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In middle eastern countries the women wear those black costumes because they pretend to be ghosts as a sign of respect to their deceased elders. They are then showered with candy in public as a treat for showing respect. It has nothing to do with sex or some kooky muslim rules, you guys need to lighten up and realize if anyone knows how to have a good time, its muslim people!
ROFLLL!!
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In middle eastern countries the women wear those black costumes because they pretend to be ghosts as a sign of respect to their deceased elders. They are then showered with candy in public as a treat for showing respect. It has nothing to do with sex or some kooky muslim rules, you guys need to lighten up and realize if anyone knows how to have a good time, its muslim people!
I don't know what your talking about.
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[i dont agree with the U.S/England/Australian dress code for women, i dont agree with girls letting their tits and ass hang... my girlfirend is French and she dresses with style, she wears modest clothing, like 98% of French girls.
but they CHOOSE to dress like that.. maybe they feel peer pressure.. but it depends on the social group...
the vital thing here is that women can dress however they hell they want..
whether they wanna walk around in a full length dress or a bikini is entirely up to the girl herself
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^^^walkin the streets with ure shit hangin is dis-respecting ureself imo... i wouldnt date a bitch thats dresses half nude in public, that shits for me to see only...
All the French girls that i've met choose to dress modest, they respect themselves.
it's not so bad in the U.K and Australia compared to the U.S, but in Australia ive never seen girls dancin flashin their tits to everyone, theyre fuckin groupie sluts.
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^^^walkin the streets with ure shit hangin is dis-respecting ureself imo... i wouldnt date a bitch thats dresses half nude in public, that shits for me to see only...
i doubt i would either.. specially not a "bitch" LOL.. but still.. the fact is.. in our society women have that choice.. which i think is more important than them being forced to wear the same uniform head-to-toe shit..
english society used to consider anything above the ankle bad.. mini skirts started in the 60's remember..
these days female celebs push the boundaries by trying to be more outrageous at every movie premiere etc.. so much so that its become faricical..
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^^^^ yeh thats true...
but then again there is sexy, and there is skimpy...
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they are opressed because of islam. dont get me wrong but it's true.hey dont have the freedom they deserve.
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I believe that rule is bullshit, women should be allowed to display as much skin as they want in public, although with regards to a degree of modesty.
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Islam doesn't promote equality between men and women, that's why
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why do they have to wear those big clothes all the time ? i was told in Egypt they bust hella fassion under the clothes but its only to wear at home... and i know the ones that wear black had a death in the family, therefor they wear black for the rest of their lives... is this the norm in Muslim religion ? is it taught in the Qur'an ?
and why do some of em only have their eyes poking out ? is it coz the men feel insecure ?
In Western society, man's natural inclination towards sex has been mass marketed for profit and severely manipulated. In Western culture, you find women putting makeup on, getting all dressed up and sexy to go out in public to attract attention, and then when they get home around their husband they dress down and throw on some jogging pants and a t-shirt--This is backwards!
However, in Islamic culture, one who is living in a natural state (fitrah), does not view sex as an end in itself, but rather a means to an end. Yes, men have a natural inclination towards sex. Yet in Islam, sex is used for the purpose of bringing closeness, intimacy, and safety into a relationship between husband and wife and for the purpose of bring about righteous children.
A women has two choices. She can exploit a man's natural inclination towards sex, by bringing about temptation and creating distraction in a man's heart, and diverting him from his duties to his Lord, his wife, his family, etc. Or a woman can protect a man's dignity and virtue by dressing in a decent and appropriate manner, and only displaying her beauty to those within her own family.
And it's not just dress. It is modesty in behaivor. It is not enough for the Muslim to just dress appropriately, it is also modesty in behaivor, and it is a virtue to be shy when encountering the opposite sex.
.......btw, Muslim women wearing black has nothing to do with a death in the family.
Why do you always fail to understand that it is not about dressing sexy, it is about choice. Everytime someone brings this up you make it seem like every western woman dresses in a thong bikini. What about a girl that comes out with her hair in a pony tail, no make up, and baggy sweat pants with a big sweater? In certain parts of of the Islamic world she would be punished with violence, with fuck heads like you accepting it like it was okay to punish her. The problem doesn't lie in the woman who choose to cover themselves up, it lies in the woman that have to cover themselves up or else.
I don't even know why I, (or anyone for that matter), bother with you. You clearly cannot be as stupid as you portray yourself on this forum. Shit you might not even be a Muslim. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing just a big act to get a rise out of everyone that used to make fun of you for praising Tupac as more than human, or claiming Dr. Dre had more musical talent than Beethoven.
Even if you are muslim, it doesn't mean you have to act like a retard. I know plenty of muslims; devout from the beginning, casual but raised muslim, and even converts. None them are even remotely as stupid as pretend to be. Grow the fuck up already, it's getting old. Actually it got old a really long time ago. Surely you have something better to do with your time than frequent a hip hop forum under the guise of a wise Muslim elder and judge everything from people's taste in music outside hip hop to philosophies on life.
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kuwait, lebanon,egypt, tunisia, morocco r all islamic countries
check what women wear and holla back
women r FLY here
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Islam doesn't promote equality between men and women, that's why
ismal emohasizes quality between both
thats why u dont see religious muslim women selling their naked bodies to rap videos
thats why islam abandons using women to promote products
and abandons skandelouz outfits for women
might sound irrelevant to u.. but one day every thing will make sense lol
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ismal emohasizes quality between both
thats why u dont see religious muslim women selling their naked bodies to rap videos
thats why islam abandons using women to promote products
and abandons skandelouz outfits for women
might sound irrelevant to u.. but one day every thing will make sense lol
Islam emphazises equality?
Inheritance?
Divorce?
Hijab?
Voting Rights?
Driving rights?
Burqa?
Child Marriges?
Domestic Violence?
Have to pray in different rooms than men?
There is no gender equality in Islam.
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^^ inheritance is becasue .. women r married to a man who takes care of her, unline men in ur countries
and man get as double as women cause they have a family to take care of
wats wrong with divorce?? atleast both have equal right in divorce.. they dont hae to go to court and split half the fortune w/ a bitch to get ur freedom
hijab?? hows that related to equality??
driving rights?? again women drive in all muslim countries except saudi arabia.. u cant judge islam basing ur shit on a stupid government's laws
child marrieges?? shit happens every where.. especially india and those countries?? rnt they christains???
domestic violence?? hows that related to islam... there is more domestic violence in countries that allow alcohol than in oour countires... again its not because religion told the guy to beat his woman
the thing about praying... women can pray any where as long as they r BEHIND men.. so men wouldn't stare at their asses u fool
PEACE out
next time u wanna argue over somn plzzz make sure to get RELEVANT arguments
not some shit that either happens in one country in the whole world or some shit that happens in the whole world
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Islam doesn't promote equality between men and women, that's why
ismal emohasizes quality between both
thats why u dont see religious muslim women selling their naked bodies to rap videos
thats why islam abandons using women to promote products
and abandons skandelouz outfits for women
might sound irrelevant to u.. but one day every thing will make sense lol
Okay, so what you saying is Islam protects women from being objects. Maybe that is true, but it's irrelevant to equality. I read it in the Quaran MYSELF, which said that men were superior and had authority over women.
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^^ inheritance is becasue .. women r married to a man who takes care of her, unline men in ur countries
and man get as double as women cause they have a family to take care of
wats wrong with divorce?? atleast both have equal right in divorce.. they dont hae to go to court and split half the fortune w/ a bitch to get ur freedom
hijab?? hows that related to equality??
driving rights?? again women drive in all muslim countries except saudi arabia.. u cant judge islam basing ur shit on a stupid government's laws
child marrieges?? shit happens every where.. especially india and those countries?? rnt they christains???
domestic violence?? hows that related to islam... there is more domestic violence in countries that allow alcohol than in oour countires... again its not because religion told the guy to beat his woman
the thing about praying... women can pray any where as long as they r BEHIND men.. so men wouldn't stare at their asses u fool
PEACE out
next time u wanna argue over somn plzzz make sure to get RELEVANT arguments
not some shit that either happens in one country in the whole world or some shit that happens in the whole world
man... you are such a naive and ignorant fool... i'm just hoping you are just trying to be the ass of this forum cause this isn't even funny
and smh @
child marrieges?? shit happens every where.. especially india and those countries?? rnt they christains???
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Islam doesn't promote equality between men and women, that's why
Actually, the Christian religion doesn't; "Islamic countries" don't either. (I used quotations because there is no true Islamic country, but I'm referring to these fake ass governments in the Middle East that you guys consider Islamic countries)
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Actually, the Christian religion doesn't; "Islamic countries" don't either. (I used quotations because there is no true Islamic country, but I'm referring to these fake ass governments in the Middle East that you guys consider Islamic countries)
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Islam doesn't promote equality between men and women, that's why
Actually, the Christian religion doesn't; "Islamic countries" don't either. (I used quotations because there is no true Islamic country, but I'm referring to these fake ass governments in the Middle East that you guys consider Islamic countries)
That was the worst Borat you've ever done. Post again in this thread, but do it in character.
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Eqaulity!
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Islam doesn't promote equality between men and women, that's why
ismal emohasizes quality between both
thats why u dont see religious muslim women selling their naked bodies to rap videos
thats why islam abandons using women to promote products
and abandons skandelouz outfits for women
might sound irrelevant to u.. but one day every thing will make sense lol
Okay, so what you saying is Islam protects women from being objects. Maybe that is true, but it's irrelevant to equality. I read it in the Quaran MYSELF, which said that men were superior and had authority over women.
quran doesnt say men a SUPERIOR TO WOMEN.... it says men SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE in a household.... which means men r th main source of income... man sorry i dunno how to put this in a way that u would believe in, cause my english really doesnt assist me, what am trying to say is its more of an obligation than a right...... and the thing about quran is u cant just abstract a lil verse and say here u go..
i can abstract a lil verse that says do not pray.... quran is taken as a whole.... th whole meaning... women r praised more than men in quran..specially mothers
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Eqaulity!
lol whats that suppose to mean?? lol
is that even a real pic or is it like from a funny movie or osme shit lol
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it's probably a woman who did something 'wrong' according to her husband or she didn't bleed the first time they were doing it, lol
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^^ lmao, for instance thats not an 'islamic' thing its an 'arabic' thing
thats wat i been trying to say in my other thread....
regarding the picture..
it could be some serbian christian mutha fuckaz burrying a bosnian muslim woman alive.. yall know about that kosovo shit
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are you saying kosovo is arabian?
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^^ second part is about the picture homie....
bleeding thing is about arabs, old skool arabs..... made clearer in the post
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Nobody was able to refute my statement. The retard who posted the picture pretty much confirmed what I had said earlier. There is no true Islamic nation, so all these bullshit puppet governments in the Middle East do not represent Islam or Islamic law. My point was exactly that they do not offer equality, which is why they're not Islamic. If you were to look at actual scriptures, and take things out of context for Christianity like you do for Islam, you'll find that the Bible makes a lot of statements claiming that women are not equal to men, and are indeed inferior. God Bless America.
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^^ god bless u man
no one can say it better
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it could be some serbian christian mutha fuckaz burrying a bosnian muslim woman alive.. yall know about that kosovo shit
Sorry, That picture was taken in Iran back in 92.
Thats the "Islamic Republic of Iran"
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Are you allowed to drive a car? Y/N
Must you be accompanied at all times in public by a male escort? Y/N
If you were to say "what the hell" and drive to the mall by yourself, would you be immediately surrounded by bat-wielding male police officers? Y/N
Could you be beaten for saying “what the hell”? Y/N
When you go outside on a hot summer day, can you wear shorts and a t-shirt? Y/N
You wouldn’t know what the weather was because your vision is a confined to the small slit opening in a burkha or abaya? Y/N
Have you ever been stoned at a party? Y/ N
Have you ever been buried up to your neck and stoned (i.e. with rocks) for kissing a man not your husband at a party? Y/N
Were you free to marry the man of your choice or, as it may be, free not to marry? Y/N
Did your parents force you to marry a man of their choosing? Y/N
If you refused your parents’ choice of husband would you be banished from the family and/or beaten within an inch of your life and/or to death? Y/N
Were you 11-years-old when you were married? Y/N
Does your husband have more than one wife? Y/N
Does your religion permit and encourage “moderate beatings” by the husband whenever he feels his wife is disobedient? Y/N
If you are unhappy with your husband, can you initiate a divorce? Y/N
Were you educated? Y/N
Were you educated for a career? Y/N
Was the career that of a suicide bomber? Y/N
When dealing with the law or facing a court case, is your word valued at half that of a man’s? Y/N
In a rape case in which there are no witnesses, is your word worth nothing against that of the rapist’s—and furthermore, for the admission of sex with a man outside of marriage, even forcibly, can you be put to death? Y/N
Can you vote? Y/N
Can you read any book you like? Y/N
Did you read the Arabic version of “Fear of Flying”? (oh, skip this one—it doesn’t exist)
Is fear of flying how you feel whenever you step on a plane post-9/11?
SCORING: If you answered “yes” to questions 1, 5, 7, 9, 15, 16, 17, 21, 22, and 24, congratulations! You live in the freest society for women in the history of Planet Earth. If you answered “yes” to any of the other questions, Allahu Akbar!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/danielle-crittenden/are-you-free-woman-tak_1720.html
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You keep confirming my statement. Step your game up if you want to actually refute my statement. I've repeated that there is no true Islamic nation. Iran is far from being one. All those idiotic questions may amuse you but the conditions in those countries have nothing to do with the scripture itself, rather the manipulation of it by the corrupt leaders that we support.
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^^ CO-SIGN
PROPS HOMIE
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it could be some serbian christian mutha fuckaz burrying a bosnian muslim woman alive.. yall know about that kosovo shit
Sorry, That picture was taken in Iran back in 92.
Thats the "Islamic Republic of Iran"
lol 1992??
why is it in black and white then
gimme a link to know who was doing wat
instead of juss showing a mislim woman being burried
maybe she's a murderer...
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You keep confirming my statement. Step your game up if you want to actually refute my statement. I've repeated that there is no true Islamic nation. Iran is far from being one. All those idiotic questions may amuse you but the conditions in those countries have nothing to do with the scripture itself, rather the manipulation of it by the corrupt leaders that we support.
Ahhh I get it...
Iran is 98% muslim, but it's not a muslim nation?
Saudi arabia is 99.99% muslim but it's not a muslim nation?
Afghanistan is 99% muslim but it's not a muslim nation?
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lol 1992??
why is it in black and white then
gimme a link to know who was doing wat
instead of juss showing a mislim woman being burried
maybe she's a murderer...
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16800
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Nobody was able to refute my statement. The retard who posted the picture pretty much confirmed what I had said earlier. There is no true Islamic nation, so all these bullshit puppet governments in the Middle East do not represent Islam or Islamic law. My point was exactly that they do not offer equality, which is why they're not Islamic. If you were to look at actual scriptures, and take things out of context for Christianity like you do for Islam, you'll find that the Bible makes a lot of statements claiming that women are not equal to men, and are indeed inferior. God Bless America.
You'd be hard pressed to find anything Jesus was quoted to have said that was sexist. St. Paul yes, but Jesus? I haven't found anything. I guess the difference is that you can go against morals of the Quran (or St. Paul) out of confusion. The Quran says the man should take care of the family so what happens if a woman is the bread winner? Some idiot takes it too far and attacks her for going against the Quran. He may not be a very good muslim but he thinks he is. With Jesus, anything bad you do is in direct defiance of his words. Someone crosses you, just forgive him and let it go. All those nut job christians that screw around have no quotes from Jesus to back up their stupidity, but muslims could and have twisted the words of the Quran (Allah) to appease themselves. Where Christians can only fo that through the words of St. Paul. Words clearly inferior to the words of Jesus according to any Christian. The point I'm trying to make is that when Christian nut jobs do something bad it's in direct defiance of the lord they worship and they try and repent afterwards. What God thinks of multiple offenders, who knows? When Islamic nut jobs do something crazy like blow up children they actually believe that they're doing the right thing.
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lol 1992??
why is it in black and white then
gimme a link to know who was doing wat
instead of juss showing a mislim woman being burried
maybe she's a murderer...
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16800
^^ ok i get it now... she is an adultrer... thats her penalty.... its done the same way in iran and saudi arabia
its old skool, just like ppl used to get their hands chopped when they stole stuff back in the days
they keepin it old skool thats all.might seem weird to u
but some stuff pl do in america r weird to them ppl too
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^^are you defending the people who do that shit?
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Nobody was able to refute my statement. The retard who posted the picture pretty much confirmed what I had said earlier. There is no true Islamic nation, so all these bullshit puppet governments in the Middle East do not represent Islam or Islamic law. My point was exactly that they do not offer equality, which is why they're not Islamic. If you were to look at actual scriptures, and take things out of context for Christianity like you do for Islam, you'll find that the Bible makes a lot of statements claiming that women are not equal to men, and are indeed inferior. God Bless America.
You'd be hard pressed to find anything Jesus was quoted to have said that was sexist. St. Paul yes, but Jesus? I haven't found anything. I guess the difference is that you can go against morals of the Quran (or St. Paul) out of confusion. The Quran says the man should take care of the family so what happens if a woman is the bread winner? Some idiot takes it too far and attacks her for going against the Quran. He may not be a very good muslim but he thinks he is. With Jesus, anything bad you do is in direct defiance of his words. Someone crosses you, just forgive him and let it go. All those nut job christians that screw around have no quotes from Jesus to back up their stupidity, but muslims could and have twisted the words of the Quran (Allah) to appease themselves. Where Christians can only fo that through the words of St. Paul. Words clearly inferior to the words of Jesus according to any Christian. The point I'm trying to make is that when Christian nut jobs do something bad it's in direct defiance of the lord they worship and they try and repent afterwards. What God thinks of multiple offenders, who knows? When Islamic nut jobs do something crazy like blow up children they actually believe that they're doing the right thing.
its called misleading sum ppl r too good with the talking and get some ppl to blow them selves up
those ppl could be a 22 years old guy who got married last year and an israeli air raid blew his house up killed his wife, mum and dad and his newborn baby
blow him self up thing is right in places and wrong in other
really depends on wats happening
thing about women not going to work??
man, women work in islam.. u ever heared that women r only house wives in our countires?
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^^are you defending the people who do that shit?
its their beliefes.... just like u believe its completely wrong, they believe its completely right
atleast their laws state that if they did X they will be punished by Y method
they dont just choose ppl and excute them
this stone thing is for an adultrer who confessed and insisted
cause once u confess, they ask u if u wanna take u confession back
so basically this woman chose this destiny.... i know u prolly dont get it, but ppl have different beliefs
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its their beliefes.... just like u believe its completely wrong, they believe its completely right
atleast their laws state...
bla bla bla
i can't you are defending these people and the things they do to women :o
:sign_banhim:
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The only way these morons will understand is if you stoop down to their level of intelligence, and become a narrow-minded fool. So let's try it their way... they didn't follow the law, they were punished according to law, just like here in America when people receive the "cruel" death penalty. The American death penalty = justice. The Middle Eastern death penalty = cruelty.
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The only way these morons will understand is if you stoop down to their level of intelligence, and become a narrow-minded fool. So let's try it their way... they didn't follow the law, they were punished according to law, just like here in America when people receive the "cruel" death penalty. The American death penalty = justice. The Middle Eastern death penalty = cruelty.
It depends on what you get the death penalty for. There is a big difference in whether someone gets the death penalty for killing someone or if someone gets the death penalty for cheating on her husband.
Women don't have a lot of rights in most Middle Eastern countries. That's the point of this discussion and you just don't seem to get it.
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The only way these morons will understand is if you stoop down to their level of intelligence, and become a narrow-minded fool. So let's try it their way... they didn't follow the law, they were punished according to law, just like here in America when people receive the "cruel" death penalty. The American death penalty = justice. The Middle Eastern death penalty = cruelty.
Are you really comparing a lethal injection to a public stoning or hanging?
Yeah. I'm the moron!
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The only way these morons will understand is if you stoop down to their level of intelligence, and become a narrow-minded fool. So let's try it their way... they didn't follow the law, they were punished according to law, just like here in America when people receive the "cruel" death penalty. The American death penalty = justice. The Middle Eastern death penalty = cruelty.
It depends on what you get the death penalty for. There is a big difference in whether someone gets the death penalty for killing someone or if someone gets the death penalty for cheating on her husband.
Women don't have a lot of rights in most Middle Eastern countries. That's the point of this discussion and you just don't seem to get it.
wat do u mean women DONT have alotta rights?? lol wat kinda childish shit is that, u just heared that in cnn seconds ago and rushed and posted it lol??
is it like women rnt allowed to breathe or somn??
i do, and did, admit that women in SOME arabic, islamic and other countries in the world rnt treated right
u cant just pick on women in the middle east as the ultimate example
wat about eastren europe?? women r forced to be prostitues there... russia is the biggest example....
no need to talk about america where women r paid less than men while doing the same work
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Nobody was able to refute my statement. The retard who posted the picture pretty much confirmed what I had said earlier. There is no true Islamic nation, so all these bullshit puppet governments in the Middle East do not represent Islam or Islamic law. My point was exactly that they do not offer equality, which is why they're not Islamic. If you were to look at actual scriptures, and take things out of context for Christianity like you do for Islam, you'll find that the Bible makes a lot of statements claiming that women are not equal to men, and are indeed inferior. God Bless America.
You'd be hard pressed to find anything Jesus was quoted to have said that was sexist. St. Paul yes, but Jesus? I haven't found anything. I guess the difference is that you can go against morals of the Quran (or St. Paul) out of confusion. The Quran says the man should take care of the family so what happens if a woman is the bread winner? Some idiot takes it too far and attacks her for going against the Quran. He may not be a very good muslim but he thinks he is. With Jesus, anything bad you do is in direct defiance of his words. Someone crosses you, just forgive him and let it go. All those nut job christians that screw around have no quotes from Jesus to back up their stupidity, but muslims could and have twisted the words of the Quran (Allah) to appease themselves. Where Christians can only fo that through the words of St. Paul. Words clearly inferior to the words of Jesus according to any Christian. The point I'm trying to make is that when Christian nut jobs do something bad it's in direct defiance of the lord they worship and they try and repent afterwards. What God thinks of multiple offenders, who knows? When Islamic nut jobs do something crazy like blow up children they actually believe that they're doing the right thing.
its called misleading sum ppl r too good with the talking and get some ppl to blow them selves up
those ppl could be a 22 years old guy who got married last year and an israeli air raid blew his house up killed his wife, mum and dad and his newborn baby
blow him self up thing is right in places and wrong in other
really depends on wats happening
thing about women not going to work??
man, women work in islam.. u ever heared that women r only house wives in our countires?
1) 2 wrongs don't make a right. It's something we learn as children. I don't give a shit of the guy had to watch his children get raped and killed and have to eat his dead dauighter pussy to keep some of his others kids alive. There is no excuse for blowing up innocent kids that have nothing to do with that.
2) I never said women don't work. I said that some psychos could misinterpret what the Quran said and attack women who do work because they are evil.
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1) lol did u read wat u typed.. its not right to blow up innocent ppl by muslims, but it is right for israelis to blow his house eat his pussy and the shit u said.... if some one killed some one from my family in cold blood and i aint had any weapon on me, i'd go suicidal and kill that mutha fucka... its called honour, loyality, dignity, watever u wanna call it
2) no women ever got attacked cause they worked, and nuthin quran talks about women work so it would be miss iterpetted to killing working women
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1) lol did u read wat u typed.. its not right to blow up innocent ppl by muslims, but it is right for israelis to blow his house eat his pussy and the shit u said.... if some one killed some one from my family in cold blood and i aint had any weapon on me, i'd go suicidal and kill that mutha fucka... its called honour, loyality, dignity, watever u wanna call it
2) no women ever got attacked cause they worked, and nuthin quran talks about women work so it would be miss iterpetted to killing working women
1) But it's not the people that did this to him getting blown up I'm talking about (even though that isn't right either). It's about other innocent people getting killed. Who the fuck said it was okay for Israeli's to do it. I'm talking about basic right and wrong. No matter who is doing it.
2) I never said any woman was attacked, but you can't say for sure they weren't ever. It doesn't matter anyway. I was simply using that as an example to support a point I was making. You obviously don't get it.
who just propped me? I'd like to know, and thank you.
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Women don't have a lot of rights in most Middle Eastern countries. That's the point of this discussion and you just don't seem to get it.
If you had the ability to read and comprehend my previous posts then you'd know that I have already stated that. YOU just don't seem to get it.
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Are you really comparing a lethal injection to a public stoning or hanging?
Yeah. I'm the moron!
Yes I am making the comparison, and yes you are the moron. Does it matter in court if someone is shot to death or stabbed to death? No, it's 1st degree murder regardless.
By the way, since you're creating this distinction in the way someone is killed, why not compare the huge difference in a suicide bomber and 1,000 pound bombs destroying entire villages. Or how about the good old atom bomb. Wait, that one SAVED lives. LOL
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I never said women don't work. I said that some psychos could misinterpret what the Quran said and attack women who do work because they are evil.
Or psychos in Israel could fire a woman working at McDonalds for speaking Arabic to a customer that didn't speak Hebrew.
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I never said women don't work. I said that some psychos could misinterpret what the Quran said and attack women who do work because they are evil.
Or psychos in Israel could fire a woman working at McDonalds for speaking Arabic to a customer that didn't speak Hebrew.
The old testament is just as bad as the Quran and the Letters of Paul in the reaged I was referring to. I never meant to single out Muslims as lower, but I did feellike defending Jesus when someone said it's the same thing, because no one looks in the mirror and sees a good christian if they just bombed a bunch of kids.
War is a tougher issue. The A Bomb was a moral disgrace in my opinion, but heat in the moment killing is somewhat understandable. The death penalty is wrong, but it certainly different to kill a serial murderer than it is to kill an adulterer. One is a serious threat to the lives of citizens, the other just hurts the repuation of some guy. There is no comparison there.
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I never said women don't work. I said that some psychos could misinterpret what the Quran said and attack women who do work because they are evil.
Or psychos in Israel could fire a woman working at McDonalds for speaking Arabic to a customer that didn't speak Hebrew.
The old testament is just as bad as the Quran and the Letters of Paul in the reaged I was referring to. I never meant to single out Muslims as lower, but I did feellike defending Jesus when someone said it's the same thing, because no one looks in the mirror and sees a good christian if they just bombed a bunch of kids.
War is a tougher issue. The A Bomb was a moral disgrace in my opinion, but heat in the moment killing is somewhat understandable. The death penalty is wrong, but it certainly different to kill a serial murderer than it is to kill an adulterer. One is a serious threat to the lives of citizens, the other just hurts the repuation of some guy. There is no comparison there.
Ok, I think you got shit twisted. Personally, I don't think any religion is evil or bad. People that feel that way need to seriously get their shit straight and stop believing all the bullshit fed to them. I also know that if you take something out of context and don't understand the reasons behind it (ex: society being a lot different a thousand years ago than it is today), then you can make something ordinary sound unreasonable, unjust, disgusting, etc. I have just as much praise for Jesus as I do for Mohammed (peace be upon them), and don't think either one was trying to harm society with the message they brought.
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kuwait, lebanon,egypt, tunisia, morocco r all islamic countries
check what women wear and holla back
women r FLY here
ive been to egypt and i have seen what women wear. VEILS !!! maybe 5% of women there wear clothing we consider normal.
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they are opressed because of islam. dont get me wrong but it's true.hey dont have the freedom they deserve.
explain their just oppression ?
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why do they have to wear those big clothes all the time ? i was told in Egypt they bust hella fassion under the clothes but its only to wear at home... and i know the ones that wear black had a death in the family, therefor they wear black for the rest of their lives... is this the norm in Muslim religion ? is it taught in the Qur'an ?
and why do some of em only have their eyes poking out ? is it coz the men feel insecure ?
In Western society, man's natural inclination towards sex has been mass marketed for profit and severely manipulated. In Western culture, you find women putting makeup on, getting all dressed up and sexy to go out in public to attract attention, and then when they get home around their husband they dress down and throw on some jogging pants and a t-shirt--This is backwards!
However, in Islamic culture, one who is living in a natural state (fitrah), does not view sex as an end in itself, but rather a means to an end. Yes, men have a natural inclination towards sex. Yet in Islam, sex is used for the purpose of bringing closeness, intimacy, and safety into a relationship between husband and wife and for the purpose of bring about righteous children.
A women has two choices. She can exploit a man's natural inclination towards sex, by bringing about temptation and creating distraction in a man's heart, and diverting him from his duties to his Lord, his wife, his family, etc. Or a woman can protect a man's dignity and virtue by dressing in a decent and appropriate manner, and only displaying her beauty to those within her own family.
And it's not just dress. It is modesty in behaivor. It is not enough for the Muslim to just dress appropriately, it is also modesty in behaivor, and it is a virtue to be shy when encountering the opposite sex.
.......btw, Muslim women wearing black has nothing to do with a death in the family.
Why do you always fail to understand that it is not about dressing sexy, it is about choice. Everytime someone brings this up you make it seem like every western woman dresses in a thong bikini. What about a girl that comes out with her hair in a pony tail, no make up, and baggy sweat pants with a big sweater? In certain parts of of the Islamic world she would be punished with violence, with fuck heads like you accepting it like it was okay to punish her. The problem doesn't lie in the woman who choose to cover themselves up, it lies in the woman that have to cover themselves up or else.
I don't even know why I, (or anyone for that matter), bother with you. You clearly cannot be as stupid as you portray yourself on this forum. Shit you might not even be a Muslim. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing just a big act to get a rise out of everyone that used to make fun of you for praising Tupac as more than human, or claiming Dr. Dre had more musical talent than Beethoven.
Even if you are muslim, it doesn't mean you have to act like a retard. I know plenty of muslims; devout from the beginning, casual but raised muslim, and even converts. None them are even remotely as stupid as pretend to be. Grow the fuck up already, it's getting old. Actually it got old a really long time ago. Surely you have something better to do with your time than frequent a hip hop forum under the guise of a wise Muslim elder and judge everything from people's taste in music outside hip hop to philosophies on life.
lol even the most humble of us crack at some point...
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^^are you defending the people who do that shit?
its their beliefes.... just like u believe its completely wrong, they believe its completely right
atleast their laws state that if they did X they will be punished by Y method
they dont just choose ppl and excute them
this stone thing is for an adultrer who confessed and insisted
cause once u confess, they ask u if u wanna take u confession back
so basically this woman chose this destiny.... i know u prolly dont get it, but ppl have different beliefs
lets have an example...
a woman is forced into a marriage, in which whom she does not love the man, she meets a man she loves and wants to be with him, she is killed... these are different beliefs to mine yes, i cannot accept them as just or humane.
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its called honour, loyality, dignity, watever u wanna call it
it's called revenge buddy.
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what this comes down to, is the Qu'ran is a morally good thing, but its a common subject of mis-interpretation, which arabs take advantage of... i see now.
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^^ i been trying to say that
actually in most cases its not misinterpetation..... its actually ignoring a rule and inventing another one
the thing about woemn getting killed for not marrying a man is plain stupid.. shit is only in westren movies.. not in reality
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why do they have to wear those big clothes all the time ? i was told in Egypt they bust hella fassion under the clothes but its only to wear at home... and i know the ones that wear black had a death in the family, therefor they wear black for the rest of their lives... is this the norm in Muslim religion ? is it taught in the Qur'an ?
and why do some of em only have their eyes poking out ? is it coz the men feel insecure ?
In Western society, man's natural inclination towards sex has been mass marketed for profit and severely manipulated. In Western culture, you find women putting makeup on, getting all dressed up and sexy to go out in public to attract attention, and then when they get home around their husband they dress down and throw on some jogging pants and a t-shirt--This is backwards!
However, in Islamic culture, one who is living in a natural state (fitrah), does not view sex as an end in itself, but rather a means to an end. Yes, men have a natural inclination towards sex. Yet in Islam, sex is used for the purpose of bringing closeness, intimacy, and safety into a relationship between husband and wife and for the purpose of bring about righteous children.
A women has two choices. She can exploit a man's natural inclination towards sex, by bringing about temptation and creating distraction in a man's heart, and diverting him from his duties to his Lord, his wife, his family, etc. Or a woman can protect a man's dignity and virtue by dressing in a decent and appropriate manner, and only displaying her beauty to those within her own family.
And it's not just dress. It is modesty in behaivor. It is not enough for the Muslim to just dress appropriately, it is also modesty in behaivor, and it is a virtue to be shy when encountering the opposite sex.
.......btw, Muslim women wearing black has nothing to do with a death in the family.
Why do you always fail to understand that it is not about dressing sexy, it is about choice. Everytime someone brings this up you make it seem like every western woman dresses in a thong bikini. What about a girl that comes out with her hair in a pony tail, no make up, and baggy sweat pants with a big sweater? In certain parts of of the Islamic world she would be punished with violence, with fuck heads like you accepting it like it was okay to punish her. The problem doesn't lie in the woman who choose to cover themselves up, it lies in the woman that have to cover themselves up or else.
I don't even know why I, (or anyone for that matter), bother with you. You clearly cannot be as stupid as you portray yourself on this forum. Shit you might not even be a Muslim. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing just a big act to get a rise out of everyone that used to make fun of you for praising Tupac as more than human, or claiming Dr. Dre had more musical talent than Beethoven.
Even if you are muslim, it doesn't mean you have to act like a retard. I know plenty of muslims; devout from the beginning, casual but raised muslim, and even converts. None them are even remotely as stupid as pretend to be. Grow the fuck up already, it's getting old. Actually it got old a really long time ago. Surely you have something better to do with your time than frequent a hip hop forum under the guise of a wise Muslim elder and judge everything from people's taste in music outside hip hop to philosophies on life.
lol even the most humble of us crack at some point...
Only when it's Infinite. It's not so much cracking as it is just treating an idiot different from intelligent people. There's no one else on the forum I'd respond to like that. (not even Trauma).
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First off, im not religious at all. But some of you muthafuckas are really annoying lol. How come its ok to look down upon an entire religion (islam) based on SOME of the negative things that SOME of its followers might do, and pretend as if there are no positives. Especially coming from the Christians on here, who worship the same Bible that the KKK does? Should all the Muslims on the board post up pics of lynchings committed by the KKK on COMPLETELY INNOCENT black people, and say "wow...look at you Christians, you animals!"?
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Women in Islam wear Veils because if they don't, they're killed. Mainly that's the reason they wear them.
Women in America sometimes wear long dresses, and dress modestly, because they want to. If they want to wear less, that's their choice and they won't be punished or killed for it, because they're free to do what ever they want, as long as they dont' hurt anybody or deny someone else's rights.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
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Women in Islam wear Veils because if they don't, they're killed. Mainly that's the reason they wear them.
Women in America sometimes wear long dresses, and dress modestly, because they want to. If they want to wear less, that's their choice and they won't be punished or killed for it, because they're free to do what ever they want, as long as they dont' hurt anybody or deny someone else's rights.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
or their parents make them go to Christian and Catholic schools as kids, where theyre forcefed a bunch of bullshit. Then, because of the pressure placed on them by our society, when they become teenagers they develop a severe eating dissorder and possibly some sort of drug addiction which a minimum wage job just wont be able to afford so they turn and sell their pussy for crack on the streets....
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
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Women in Islam wear Veils because if they don't, they're killed. Mainly that's the reason they wear them.
Women in America sometimes wear long dresses, and dress modestly, because they want to. If they want to wear less, that's their choice and they won't be punished or killed for it, because they're free to do what ever they want, as long as they dont' hurt anybody or deny someone else's rights.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
or their parents make them go to Christian and Catholic schools as kids, where theyre forcefed a bunch of bullshit. Then, because of the pressure placed on them by our society, when they become teenagers they develop a severe eating dissorder and possibly some sort of drug addiction which a minimum wage job just wont be able to afford so they turn and sell their pussy for crack on the streets....
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
it's still their choice.
in some places, arabic women can't even do a 1/3 of those things without being punished
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/me blesses America!
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wtf r yall talkin about lol
am cracking up in here lol
yall think women get killed for their clothes lol
am sorry
it was MY mistake trying to discuss an issue with a buncha ignorant mutha fuckaz lol
i am sorry... but seriously where do u get ur info from pplz??
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wtf r yall talkin about lol
am cracking up in here lol
yall think women get killed for their clothes lol
am sorry
it was MY mistake trying to discuss an issue with a buncha ignorant mutha fuckaz lol
i am sorry... but seriously where do u get ur info from pplz??
how about under taliban rule in afghanistan where it was required by law for a woman to cover almost her entire body while out in public, and taht she could not leave her house without being escorted by a male familty member
punishment for breaking these rules were usually held like concerts in a soccer staduim (soccer was banned under taliban rule) and punishments included stoning, trampling by horses, execution, and gang rape to anme a few
i thought this was common knowledge but i guess you get more accurate info elsewhere
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^^ i wont argue if woman killing was a reality or juss some movie captions posted on kazaa
any ways u cannot judge a religion just because taliban killed women
taliban r muslims..... they dont represent islam...they made their money off sellin hasheesh to other musli
so if one christian is down with the KKK and killed a nigga that means that allchristians kill niggaz??
does that mean that hcristianity tells u kill black ppl???
u gotta THINK before dissin a whole relegion
all u guys heared about islam is taliban, saddam, iran in the 1970's and rich saudi arabians with 4 wives
thats all u know
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^^ i wont argue if woman killing was a reality or juss some movie captions posted on kazaa
any ways u cannot judge a religion just because taliban killed women
taliban r muslims..... they dont represent islam...they made their money off sellin hasheesh to other musli
so if one christian is down with the KKK and killed a nigga that means that allchristians kill niggaz??
does that mean that hcristianity tells u kill black ppl???
u gotta THINK before dissin a whole relegion
all u guys heared about islam is taliban, saddam, iran in the 1970's and rich saudi arabians with 4 wives
thats all u know
you're preaching to the choir, i never said islam was to blame, i just pointed out that arabic women have been killed for their clothes...and it was done by a supposed religious fanatical government
i might joke around and speak in absolutes, but i realize that not all muslims/islamic people are bent on killing everyone. just the majority of the ones you see or read about in the news
just like all americans are considered stupid fat christian hicks because of our government leader
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^^ an important thing i need to point out
THERE RNT ANY ARAB WOMEN IN AFGHANISTAN
AFGHANISTAN IS NOT AN ARABIC COUNTRY
THEY SPEAK PASHTO AND ORDO NOT ARABIC
thats the main thing i always fuss about
islam=terrorists=arab=rich saudi arabians=killing women=smelly middle eastrens=ppl who like to blow thei self up to kill jewish kids
yall need to get to know the other side of the world a bit more
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Large groups of Sunni Arab living in the vicinity of Bokhara in Central Asia fled to northeastern Afghanistan following Russian conquests in the nineteenth century. By the 1880s they were, with the Uzbek with whom they established close ties, the second most populous ethnic group in present day Kunduz, Takhar and Baghlan provinces. Smaller groups settled in scattered communities as far west as Maimana, Faryab Province.
The Arab are pastoralists who raise sheep and grow cotton and wheat. Some among the eastern groups make summer migrations of up to 300 kilometers to reach the lush high pastures in Badakhshan. Government development schemes, especially those which brought large numbers of Pushtun to the area in the 1940s, relegated the Arab to a small proportion of the population and the Arab ceased to hold a monopoly on long distance migration. Bilingual in Dari and Uzbeki, but speaking no Arabic, they continue to identify themselves as Arab although they have had no contact with the Arabs of the Middle East since the late fourteenth century.
and another thing....since i speak english, i guess i'm more not puerto rican or italian....i must be english
i guess i do need to get out more
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^ there are no arabs in afghanistan
afghanistan is a different place and different way of thinking
the taliban fucked alot of shit up, they came with some new ways
they were heavily influenced by saudi wahhabism, we afghans are Hanafi sunnis, its all complicated, but Bin Ladens bitch ass brought some ideology into our country....like introducing gang banging into soutch central, shit juss got out of control
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Large groups of Sunni Arab living in the vicinity of Bokhara in Central Asia fled to northeastern Afghanistan following Russian conquests in the nineteenth century. By the 1880s they were, with the Uzbek with whom they established close ties, the second most populous ethnic group in present day Kunduz, Takhar and Baghlan provinces. Smaller groups settled in scattered communities as far west as Maimana, Faryab Province.
The Arab are pastoralists who raise sheep and grow cotton and wheat. Some among the eastern groups make summer migrations of up to 300 kilometers to reach the lush high pastures in Badakhshan. Government development schemes, especially those which brought large numbers of Pushtun to the area in the 1940s, relegated the Arab to a small proportion of the population and the Arab ceased to hold a monopoly on long distance migration. Bilingual in Dari and Uzbeki, but speaking no Arabic, they continue to identify themselves as Arab although they have had no contact with the Arabs of the Middle East since the late fourteenth century.
and another thing....since i speak english, i guess i'm more not puerto rican or italian....i must be english
i guess i do need to get out more
i dunno where u got this from but i can assure u that the first arabs to migrate to afghanistan were holy warriors against the soviet invasion
thats when the american government supplied binladen and all the other arab fighter with american weapons.. its ironic that 10 years later they r america's numba 1 enemies
but arabs never lived in afghanistan before the soviet war
actually they dont migrate they just go fight and most of em came back ...well except those r still fighting
but there rnt any arabs who actually live in afghanistan as citizens
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Women in Islam wear Veils because if they don't, they're killed. Mainly that's the reason they wear them.
Women in America sometimes wear long dresses, and dress modestly, because they want to. If they want to wear less, that's their choice and they won't be punished or killed for it, because they're free to do what ever they want, as long as they dont' hurt anybody or deny someone else's rights.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
or their parents make them go to Christian and Catholic schools as kids, where theyre forcefed a bunch of bullshit. Then, because of the pressure placed on them by our society, when they become teenagers they develop a severe eating dissorder and possibly some sort of drug addiction which a minimum wage job just wont be able to afford so they turn and sell their pussy for crack on the streets....
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
it's still their choice.
in some places, arabic women can't even do a 1/3 of those things without being punished
what im saying is, before you judge look at yourself. Im American, but why is it i dont have this arrogant American attitude that is the the reason why half of the world hates us. I dont see us as BETTER then all these places. We do our share of FUCKED up shit, most of which the American people dont even know about. A lot of which, nobody knows about because its kept under wraps so well and lied about. It seems like all we want, is to be lied to....Americans dont want the truth about ourselves. We want to be lied to, we want to be told we're the best. We want to be told that when we're not liked...its the other persons fault, "theyre just jealous". LOL. Think how childish that mentality is? Its always the other guy. Fuck that, its US. And we can point fingers, over and over...and we can say we want to help all these other countries with their problems...but thats ALL bullshit until we admit what WE do wrong, and how WE wrong people. Other countries, aswell as our own citizens. But Americans are just too self-centered to do that.
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^ dont waste your breathe mayne
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^ dont waste your breathe mayne
wussup homie. Shit, if i was wastin breath...i wouldnt waste it on these fools. lol
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what im saying is, before you judge look at yourself. Im American, but why is it i dont have this arrogant American attitude that is the the reason why half of the world hates us. I dont see us as BETTER then all these places. We do our share of FUCKED up shit, most of which the American people dont even know about. A lot of which, nobody knows about because its kept under wraps so well and lied about. It seems like all we want, is to be lied to....Americans dont want the truth about ourselves. We want to be lied to, we want to be told we're the best. We want to be told that when we're not liked...its the other persons fault, "theyre just jealous". LOL. Think how childish that mentality is? Its always the other guy. Fuck that, its US. And we can point fingers, over and over...and we can say we want to help all these other countries with their problems...but thats ALL bullshit until we admit what WE do wrong, and how WE wrong people. Other countries, aswell as our own citizens. But Americans are just too self-centered to do that.
^^^ Co-sign! Keep postin!
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Women in Islam wear Veils because if they don't, they're killed. Mainly that's the reason they wear them.
Women in America sometimes wear long dresses, and dress modestly, because they want to. If they want to wear less, that's their choice and they won't be punished or killed for it, because they're free to do what ever they want, as long as they dont' hurt anybody or deny someone else's rights.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
or their parents make them go to Christian and Catholic schools as kids, where theyre forcefed a bunch of bullshit. Then, because of the pressure placed on them by our society, when they become teenagers they develop a severe eating dissorder and possibly some sort of drug addiction which a minimum wage job just wont be able to afford so they turn and sell their pussy for crack on the streets....
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
it's still their choice.
in some places, arabic women can't even do a 1/3 of those things without being punished
what im saying is, before you judge look at yourself. Im American, but why is it i dont have this arrogant American attitude that is the the reason why half of the world hates us. I dont see us as BETTER then all these places. We do our share of FUCKED up shit, most of which the American people dont even know about. A lot of which, nobody knows about because its kept under wraps so well and lied about. It seems like all we want, is to be lied to....Americans dont want the truth about ourselves. We want to be lied to, we want to be told we're the best. We want to be told that when we're not liked...its the other persons fault, "theyre just jealous". LOL. Think how childish that mentality is? Its always the other guy. Fuck that, its US. And we can point fingers, over and over...and we can say we want to help all these other countries with their problems...but thats ALL bullshit until we admit what WE do wrong, and how WE wrong people. Other countries, aswell as our own citizens. But Americans are just too self-centered to do that.
so it's america's fault that women in islam have to wear veils? interesting
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Muslim women wear a head scarf (hijab) because they choose to be obedient to Allah. If you are claiming that Muslim women dress modestly because they are forced to, then how do you explain the practices of millions of Muslim women in America who dress according to Islamic tradition?
They prefer the pleasure of Allah over what is currently being deemed "fashionable" amongst pop culture in America. My mother in law is American, and while in college in the 60's she left Christianity for Islam. This was her own desicion and she chose to wear a head scarf because that is what is liked by Allah, my wife was raised in this country and nobody has ever forced hear to wear a head scarf but she does purely for the sake of Allah, for that is what is liked by Allah, and surely the hereafter is better in comfort than the life of this world.
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Muslim women wear a head scarf (hijab) because they choose to be obedient to Allah. If you are claiming that Muslim women dress modestly because they are forced to, then how do you explain the practices of millions of Muslim women in America who dress according to Islamic tradition?
They prefer the pleasure of Allah over what is currently being deemed "fashionable" amongst pop culture in America. My mother in law is American, and while in college in the 60's she left Christianity for Islam. This was her own desicion and she chose to wear a head scarf because that is what is liked by Allah, my wife was raised in this country and nobody has ever forced hear to wear a head scarf but she does purely for the sake of Allah, for that is what is liked by Allah, and surely the hereafter is better in comfort than the life of this world.
I find it crazy how people can sacrifice their physical comfort because of some words in a book that was written 1400 years ago when they have a choice not to do so.
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I find it crazy how people can sacrifice their physical comfort because of some words in a book that was written 1400 years ago when they have a choice not to do so.
The difference between you and I is that you are a slave to popular culture, and if popular culture doesn't currently accept that behaivor than you don't except it. I am a slave to Allah, and I know that Allah is watchful of everything that I do, so a Muslim behaves in ways that are pleasing to Allah.
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Muslim women wear a head scarf (hijab) because they choose to be obedient to Allah. If you are claiming that Muslim women dress modestly because they are forced to, then how do you explain the practices of millions of Muslim women in America who dress according to Islamic tradition?
They prefer the pleasure of Allah over what is currently being deemed "fashionable" amongst pop culture in America. My mother in law is American, and while in college in the 60's she left Christianity for Islam. This was her own desicion and she chose to wear a head scarf because that is what is liked by Allah, my wife was raised in this country and nobody has ever forced hear to wear a head scarf but she does purely for the sake of Allah, for that is what is liked by Allah, and surely the hereafter is better in comfort than the life of this world.
I find it crazy how people can sacrifice their physical comfort because of some words in a book that was written 1400 years ago when they have a choice not to do so.
Why do you find it crazy? I don't agree with some country's rules about forcing the veils, but when its up to the person and they find it comforting, why not? People are different, thats something so simple and yet something almost all of us need to learn
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Women in Islam wear Veils because if they don't, they're killed. Mainly that's the reason they wear them.
Women in America sometimes wear long dresses, and dress modestly, because they want to. If they want to wear less, that's their choice and they won't be punished or killed for it, because they're free to do what ever they want, as long as they dont' hurt anybody or deny someone else's rights.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
or their parents make them go to Christian and Catholic schools as kids, where theyre forcefed a bunch of bullshit. Then, because of the pressure placed on them by our society, when they become teenagers they develop a severe eating dissorder and possibly some sort of drug addiction which a minimum wage job just wont be able to afford so they turn and sell their pussy for crack on the streets....
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
it's still their choice.
in some places, arabic women can't even do a 1/3 of those things without being punished
what im saying is, before you judge look at yourself. Im American, but why is it i dont have this arrogant American attitude that is the the reason why half of the world hates us. I dont see us as BETTER then all these places. We do our share of FUCKED up shit, most of which the American people dont even know about. A lot of which, nobody knows about because its kept under wraps so well and lied about. It seems like all we want, is to be lied to....Americans dont want the truth about ourselves. We want to be lied to, we want to be told we're the best. We want to be told that when we're not liked...its the other persons fault, "theyre just jealous". LOL. Think how childish that mentality is? Its always the other guy. Fuck that, its US. And we can point fingers, over and over...and we can say we want to help all these other countries with their problems...but thats ALL bullshit until we admit what WE do wrong, and how WE wrong people. Other countries, aswell as our own citizens. But Americans are just too self-centered to do that.
so it's america's fault that women in islam have to wear veils? interesting
The problem is, in those countries...wearing veils isnt "wrong" by their standards. Its wrong by ours. However, in our country...things like Murder and Drug use are considered wrong, and the Government still OK's it. If you dont think they do, dig a little deeper...
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I find it crazy how people can sacrifice their physical comfort because of some words in a book that was written 1400 years ago when they have a choice not to do so.
The difference between you and I is that you are a slave to popular culture, and if popular culture doesn't currently accept that behaivor than you don't except it. I am a slave to Allah, and I know that Allah is watchful of everything that I do, so a Muslim behaves in ways that are pleasing to Allah.
god bless you man
those r some strong words
mad props and respect
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I find it crazy how people can sacrifice their physical comfort because of some words in a book that was written 1400 years ago when they have a choice not to do so.
The difference between you and I is that you are a slave to popular culture, and if popular culture doesn't currently accept that behaivor than you don't except it. I am a slave to Allah, and I know that Allah is watchful of everything that I do, so a Muslim behaves in ways that are pleasing to Allah.
god bless you man
those r some strong words
mad props and respect
The problem is his words are filled with hypocrisy. He still comes into these forums with a pretentious mind set, and is so filled with pride he goes out of his way to put people down when they aren't what he thinks they should be. The guy has no integrity. Please don't add fuel to his ignorant fire by complimenting him. Don't believe me? o through all his posts from the last year and see how "strong" his wwords really are. He is no slave to Allah. He is a slave to his sin. He defends his pride with such stubborness that he closes his heart and mind to what he doesn't accept personally and almost anything that is white, which he considers evil. Infinite; If I can see your ignorance, then you better believe that Allah can.
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I find it crazy how people can sacrifice their physical comfort because of some words in a book that was written 1400 years ago when they have a choice not to do so.
The difference between you and I is that you are a slave to popular culture, and if popular culture doesn't currently accept that behaivor than you don't except it. I am a slave to Allah, and I know that Allah is watchful of everything that I do, so a Muslim behaves in ways that are pleasing to Allah.
What? You don't know me man, i'm not a slave to anyone. I fuckin hate when smart asses assume shit about me, when really they don't know a single thing about me
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Christians automatically expose themselves as hypocrites when they critisize the dress of Muslim women. Because the way Muslim women dress in public, is the same way that the mother of Jesus (Mary) dressed, and it is the dress that is perscribed for women in the Bible. If you supposedly regard the Bible as your Holy Book, then why don't your Christian women follow that very Bible they claim represents the word of God? Modern Christian women are actually followers of popular culture and whatever the current social norms tell them is fashionable. This is one of the reasons I left Christianity at a young age is because Christians have not been able to find a way to make the Bible applicable in todays society. Christians, do you know your Holy Book?
Paul in the New Testament:
"Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head [/i]- it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head.[/i] A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head" (I Corinthians 11:3-10).
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Christians automatically expose themselves as hypocrites when they critisize the dress of Muslim women. Because the way Muslim women dress in public, is the same way that the mother of Jesus (Mary) dressed, and it is the dress that is perscribed for women in the Bible. If you supposedly regard the Bible as your Holy Book, then why don't your Christian women follow that very Bible they claim represents the word of God? Modern Christian women are actually followers of popular culture and whatever the current social norms tell them is fashionable. This is one of the reasons I left Christianity at a young age is because Christians have not been able to find a way to make the Bible applicable in todays society. Christians, do you know your Holy Book?
Paul in the New Testament:
"Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head [/i]- it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head.[/i] A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head" (I Corinthians 11:3-10).
This coming from the most notorious non-Roman Christian killer of all time. I take everything Paul says with a grain of salt. Much like Moses did with God, I believe Paul added to the things that were told him by God or Jesus, for the sake of the community of the time, and just like Moses before him I believe that if/when Jesus is to return to Earth he will throw down many of Paul's claims. Check my older posts and you'll I've always been skeptical of Paul.
For the record, even though it's already on the record, and been put on the record several times; I don't care if Muslim women cover up. I don't care if any women cover. I do not critisize them for covering up. I just happen to find fault in the cases where they are forced to cover up by abusive husbands or fathers and have no choice in the matter. That is, was, and always wil be my quarrel with it.
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This coming from the most notorious non-Roman Christian killer of all time. I take everything Paul says with a grain of salt. Much like Moses did with God, I believe Paul added to the things that were told him by God or Jesus, for the sake of the community of the time, and just like Moses before him I believe that if/when Jesus is to return to Earth he will throw down many of Paul's claims. Check my older posts and you'll I've always been skeptical of Paul.
For the record, even though it's already on the record, and been put on the record several times; I don't care if Muslim women cover up. I don't care if any women cover. I do not critisize them for covering up. I just happen to find fault in the cases where they are forced to cover up by abusive husbands or fathers and have no choice in the matter. That is, was, and always wil be my quarrel with it.
Good. We aren't in any major disagreement over this issue.
But remember, this thread was started by a Christian, and now it is 4 pages deep with Christians passing judgements all over it. I didn't plan on attacking Christianity but I think a lot of Christians don't realize what is written in their Holy Book.
I'm glad you recognize Paul as being the greatest of deviants. Infact, your belief is somewhat similar to the Islamic belief, in that Jesus was a Prophet like all other Prophets teaching to worship God Alone and to do righteous good deeds. And then many years after Jesus had left the Earth, Paul came to power and brought along the trinity, altering the true teachings of the Prophet Jesus.
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This coming from the most notorious non-Roman Christian killer of all time. I take everything Paul says with a grain of salt. Much like Moses did with God, I believe Paul added to the things that were told him by God or Jesus, for the sake of the community of the time, and just like Moses before him I believe that if/when Jesus is to return to Earth he will throw down many of Paul's claims. Check my older posts and you'll I've always been skeptical of Paul.
For the record, even though it's already on the record, and been put on the record several times; I don't care if Muslim women cover up. I don't care if any women cover. I do not critisize them for covering up. I just happen to find fault in the cases where they are forced to cover up by abusive husbands or fathers and have no choice in the matter. That is, was, and always wil be my quarrel with it.
Good. We aren't in any major disagreement over this issue.
But remember, this thread was started by a Christian, and now it is 4 pages deep with Christians passing judgements all over it. I didn't plan on attacking Christianity but I think a lot of Christians don't realize what is written in their Holy Book.
I'm glad you recognize Paul as being the greatest of deviants. Infact, your belief is somewhat similar to the Islamic belief, in that Jesus was a Prophet like all other Prophets teaching to worship God Alone and to do righteous good deeds. And then many years after Jesus had left the Earth, Paul came to power and brought along the trinity, altering the true teachings of the Prophet Jesus.
I never said I believed Jesus was just a prophet, and I strongly believe in the Holy Trinity because it was claimed by Jesus.
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Christians automatically expose themselves as hypocrites when they critisize the dress of Muslim women. Because the way Muslim women dress in public, is the same way that the mother of Jesus (Mary) dressed, and it is the dress that is perscribed for women in the Bible. If you supposedly regard the Bible as your Holy Book, then why don't your Christian women follow that very Bible they claim represents the word of God? Modern Christian women are actually followers of popular culture and whatever the current social norms tell them is fashionable. This is one of the reasons I left Christianity at a young age is because Christians have not been able to find a way to make the Bible applicable in todays society. Christians, do you know your Holy Book?
Paul in the New Testament:
"Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head [/i]- it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head.[/i] A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head" (I Corinthians 11:3-10).
speaking of hypocrits...why is the man in your avatar wearing a hat if it's not god's will?
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speaking of hypocrits...why is the man in your avatar wearing a hat if it's not god's will?
You speak without any knowledge.
It is in the Bible that Paul instructs men not to cover their heads, the Bible is the Holy Book of Christians. As for Muslims, although we do agree that Moses and Jesus were devine messengers of God, we believe that the Gospel has been altered from it's origional form, and that the man who brought forth the trinity (Paul) was the greatest of deviants, because he divided God into three and made Jesus a partner to God, when Jesus is but a man. The Bible was compiled hundreds of years after Jesus left this Earth, and the origional languages in which Jesus spoke are no longer around today. For many reasons, Muslims do not consider the Bible to be free of error, and the words of Paul are not at all trusted by Muslims.
For Muslims, the Noble Qu'ran is the highest source of knowledge. I also wear a kufi (head covering) often, and this act is totally permissible for Muslims, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) wore a kufi under his turban.
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speaking of hypocrits...why is the man in your avatar wearing a hat if it's not god's will?
You speak without any knowledge.
It is in the Bible that Paul instructs men not to cover their heads, the Bible is the Holy Book of Christians. As for Muslims, although we do agree that Moses and Jesus were devine messengers of God, we believe that the Gospel has been altered from it's origional form, and that the man who brought forth the trinity (Paul) was the greatest of deviants, because he divided God into three and made Jesus a partner to God, when Jesus is but a man. The Bible was compiled hundreds of years after Jesus left this Earth, and the origional languages in which Jesus spoke are no longer around today. For many reasons, Muslims do not consider the Bible to be free of error, and the words of Paul are not at all trusted by Muslims.
For Muslims, the Noble Qu'ran is the highest source of knowledge. I also wear a kufi (head covering) often, and this act is totally permissible for Muslims, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) wore a kufi under his turban.
just out of curiosity.... do you wear a robe around ? or do you wear jeans like the rest of us pop-culture fiends...
because from the movies i've seen men wear robes in the old day aswell as women...