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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: On The Edge of Insanity on January 18, 2004, 04:12:03 AM
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After seeing how many replies the thread about what people considered to be the best beat ever received, I thought it would be cool if we had a tournament to find out what the board considers to be the best beat ever. So, to start with everyone list the five beats you consider to be the best in order of 1 to 5. List the artist, the song title and then the producer in brackets. In two days (20th) at 6pm UK time, I will tally the number of nominations each beat has received (weighted with number 1 choices receiving ten points, number 2, 8 points, etc), and I will put the top 16 beats into groups for the next stage of voting. So get voting.
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My votes
1. Pete Rock & CL Smooth - TROY (Pete Rock)
2. Gangstarr - Code of the Streets (DJ Premier)
3. Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek feat Vinia Mojica - The Blast (Hi-Tek)
4. Xzibit - The Foundation (DJ Muggs)
5. Little Brother - Speed (9th Wonder)
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Pete Rock and CL Smooth - T.R.O.Y (Pete Rock)
Dr Dre - Chronic Intro (Dr Dre)
Nas - Nas Is Like
Nas - NY State Of Mind (Dj Premier)
Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek feat Vinia Mojica - The Blast (Hi-Tek)
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"Why Ya Bullshittin'"(Quik)
"Deep Cover"(Dre)
"Mass Appeal"(Premier)
"Bout It, Bout It"(Beats By The Pound)
"How I Could Just Kill A Man"(Muggs)
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A lot of beats I see here are very dope but.. They're old. And every beat becomes outdated at some time, so why don't any of you choose new sounding beats?
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1. Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - "They Reminesce Over You"
Produced by Pete Rock, Co-Produced by C.L. Smooth
2. Kool G Rap & DJ Polo - "Streets Of New York"
Produced by Large Professor
3. Pete Rock - "The Game"
Produced by Pete Rock
4. EPMD - "You Gots Too Chill"
Produced by EPMD
5. Eric B. & Rakim - "Eric B. Is President"
Produced by Marley Marl
This is difficult, I could probably think of twenty more that could be up there.
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A lot of beats I see here are very dope but.. They're old. And every beat becomes outdated at some time, so why don't any of you choose new sounding beats?
Um....Why should we choose new sounding beats when these beats we're choosing are ALL better than anything new? They're outdated to you. Go bump some Swizz Beats.
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im not sure, there are beats that i like just as much as the ones i mentioned, but these are the first that popped into my head
1) Tha Alkaholiks ft. Threat - Who Dem Niggas (E-Swift)
2) Ras Kass - Van Gogh (Khalil)
3) Deltron 3030 - 3030 (Dan The Automator)
4) The Lootpack ft. Medaphoar - Wanne Test Remix (Madlib)
5) Polyrhythm Addicts - Big Phat Boom (DJ Spinna)
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A lot of beats I see here are very dope but.. They're old. And every beat becomes outdated at some time, so why don't any of you choose new sounding beats?
everytime i hear Nas Is Like or T.R.O.Y they sound fresh, all the beats i chose to me are timeless.
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hella difficult. On another day I'd list em in a different order but right now
1. Shook Ones Pt. II (Mobb Deep /produced by Havoc)
2. Nuthin But A G Thang (Dre & Snoop / produced by Dr. Dre)
3. New York State Of Mind (Nas / produced by DJ Premier)
4. Just Step (Mobb Deep / produced by The Abstract)
5. C.R.E.A.M. (Wu-Tang Clan / produced by the RZA)
but fa real This is difficult, I could probably think of twenty more that could be up there
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A lot of beats I see here are very dope but.. They're old. And every beat becomes outdated at some time, so why don't any of you choose new sounding beats?
Um....Why should we choose new sounding beats when these beats we're choosing are ALL better than anything new? They're outdated to you. Go bump some Swizz Beats.
Right now, I would choose a Kanye West beat over Deep Cover.
I love Deep Cover and the melody is still great but if we're talking about beats I wouldn't choose Deep Cover. It's like with cars, if you would ask a person what he would rather drive, a car that was the best in '92 or a car that's the best right now, he would probaly choose the last.
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Right now, I would choose a Kanye West beat over Deep Cover.
I love Deep Cover and the melody is still great but if we're talking about beats I wouldn't choose Deep Cover. It's like with cars, if you would ask a person what he would rather drive, a car that was the best in '92 or a car that's the best right now, he would probaly choose the last.
Well, thats you. All this new shit fizzles out after a while. The shit I listed is timeless. Still bumps like it's new. And, cars are a different story. That was a shitty comparison. But, if you want to take it that way. Plenty people would choose a Classic car over some new car. They were made better back in the day.
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Right now, I would choose a Kanye West beat over Deep Cover.
I love Deep Cover and the melody is still great but if we're talking about beats I wouldn't choose Deep Cover. It's like with cars, if you would ask a person what he would rather drive, a car that was the best in '92 or a car that's the best right now, he would probaly choose the last.
Well, thats you. All this new shit fizzles out after a while. The shit I listed is timeless. Still bumps like it's new. And, cars are a different story. That was a shitty comparison. But, if you want to take it that way. Plenty people would choose a Classic car over some new car. They were made better back in the day.
OK, then you have a different opinion then me. :)
(Duhhh)
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1. Still D.R.E.
2. Nuthin But a G Thang
3. Forgot about Dre
4. Tha Formula
5. If It Aint Ruff
bleh.. thats all i can think of right now which are my favourites..
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mobb deep - shook ones pt 2 - havoc
mc shan - the bridge - marley marl
dre - with dre day - dre
ice cube - ghetto bird - qd3
raekwon - criminology - the rza
smiff n wessun - bucktown - da beatminerz
god pt 3 - mobb deep - havoc
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mobb deep - shook ones pt 2 - havoc
mc shan - the bridge - marley marl
dre - with dre day - dre
ice cube - ghetto bird - qd3
raekwon - criminology - the rza
smiff n wessun - bucktown - da beatminerz
god pt 3 - mobb deep - havoc
1,2,3,4,5,6,7 beats -> 7-5 = 2 beats too many (good list tho)
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A lot of beats I see here are very dope but.. They're old. And every beat becomes outdated at some time, so why don't any of you choose new sounding beats?
Um....Why should we choose new sounding beats when these beats we're choosing are ALL better than anything new? They're outdated to you. Go bump some Swizz Beats.
Right now, I would choose a Kanye West beat over Deep Cover.
I love Deep Cover and the melody is still great but if we're talking about beats I wouldn't choose Deep Cover. It's like with cars, if you would ask a person what he would rather drive, a car that was the best in '92 or a car that's the best right now, he would probaly choose the last.
::)
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Diamond D - Sally
Big Pun ft Fat joe - Twinz
Del the funky homosapien - Madness
50 cent - places to go
50 cent - heat
my top 5 beats
these two would come very close and could replace any of them
Mobb Deep - Shook Ones Prt 2
NWA - Real Niggaz Dont Die
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scarface - on my grind
kurupt - on site
luni coleone - all i ever wanted
wu tang - bring da ruckus
big l - mvp
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1) In da club - 50 cent (dre)
2) bad intentions - knocturnal ( not sure )
3) shook one pt 2 (mobb deep)
4) Hoo Banging - Westside Connection
5) Westcoast Bad boys - Pop locking pt 2
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1) Real Muthaphucckin Gz (Rythm D)
2) Who Am I? (Whats My Name) (Dr Dre)
3) Dollaz & Sense (DJ Quik)
4) Hoo Bangin (Ice Cube)
5) Cant C Me (Dr Dre)
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1. Dr. Dre featuring Snoop Dogg - Still D.R.E.
2. Warren G featuring Nate Dogg - Regulator
3. Mobb Deep - Shook Ones Part II
4. DMX - Intro (It's Dark and Hell is Hot)
5. Knocturnal - Bad Intentions
Just off the top of my head.. my favorites.. I haven't been into rap for more than a year years so I don't know any of the older beats I'm seeing on here. Not the best list, but I don't have time to sit down and think.
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1. Bombs over baghdad-Outkast (earthtone III)
2. Deeeeez Nutzz- dre (Dr. Dre)
3. real niggaz don't die-NWA (Dr. Dre)
4. can't c me-2pac (dr. dre)
5. lose yourself -eminem (em)
1. straight up cuz it uses so many scales and complex changes. also very ballsy. the best rap beat ever
2. the best mixed rap song ever.....one of the best mixed song period as well. too many layers to name, dre at his best
3. the rise of a genius in my opinion
4. when i read a review of all eyez on me , the reviewer said that this song was g-funk times two. in other words this was a taste of where dre would've taken g-funk if he didn't have a fall out with DR and the industry . very dope and hard
5. music is suppose to envoke emotion and feelings. and in my opinion this beat does it's duty and THEN some. i like the guitar riff and the mixing of the soft and hard tones
if some of y'all are wondering why i didn't include any east coast beats.........i'm sorry but over sampling james brown isn't art
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2. Deeeeez Nutzz- dre (Dr. Dre)
2. the best mixed rap song ever.....one of the best mixed song period as well. too many layers to name, dre at his best
maaan, Ive always agreed with you on this one. This is probably the most layered song I've ever heard. And they all fit perfectly. This is an AMAZING beat.
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1. Nuthin but a g thang (prod by Dre)
2. Curb Servin - WC (Produced By Crazy Toones)
3. Get Your Walk On - Xzibit (Dre & Melman)
4. Do Your Thing - Timbaland & Magoo (Timbaland)
5. Let's Get Down - Tony Toni Tone (DJ Quik)
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3. Get Your Walk On - Xzibit (Dre & Melman)
actually it was produced by battlecat and melman
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kurupt - on site
damn, i forgot about this one.....
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aint nobody talkin about gangstarr - work? assholes!
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if some of y'all are wondering why i didn't include any east coast beats.........i'm sorry but over sampling james brown isn't art
What kind of retarded statement is that? Is it a joke?
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1. Dr. Dre - Keep Their Heads Ringin' (Dr. Dre & Sam Sneed)
2. Jay-Z - U Don't Know (Just Blaze)
3. Dr. Dre - Deeez Nuuuts (Dr. Dre)
4. Nas - Nas Is Like (DJ Premier)
5. Jay-Z - Meet The Parents (Just Blaze)
1. This shit is incredibly addictive. I know the list isn't formal, I just can't name a better beat, ever. The best beat ever by the best rap producer ever equals of course the best beat of all time.
2. I'll bump this shit 20 years from now, it'll still knock. Timeless beat and song.
3. G-Funk at its finest.
4. Primo's best beat ever. Classic. Timeless.
5. Amazingly powerful orchestrated beat with an array of complex layers and sounds, no samples. Real creativity going on here, this proves why Just Blaze is a producer WAY out of the ordinary, so acknowledge his work.
Honorable mentions:
Brotha Lynch Hung - Rest In Piss
Mos Def & Talib Kweli - Thieves In The Night
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if some of y'all are wondering why i didn't include any east coast beats.........i'm sorry but over sampling james brown isn't art
like how many east coast rap songs have u heard in ur life? 2? 1?
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if some of y'all are wondering why i didn't include any east coast beats.........i'm sorry but over sampling james brown isn't art
What kind of retarded statement is that? Is it a joke?
Thats what I was thinking. If you're going by that then I could quite easily say that over sampling parliament and zapp isn't art for west coast beats.
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Luniz - I Got 5 On It
Mobb Deep - Shook Ones Part II
Eminem and Dre - Guilty Conscience
2pac and Dre - California Love
Biggie and Puffy - Victory
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2pac and Dre - California Love
Snoop Dogg - Gin and Juice
Biggie - Juicy
Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg - Nuthin But A G' Thang
Ice Cube - Ghetto Vet
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eh i cbf looking at all the credits it was dre's project neway
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if some of y'all are wondering why i didn't include any east coast beats.........i'm sorry but over sampling james brown isn't art
What kind of retarded statement is that? Is it a joke?
Thats what I was thinking. If you're going by that then I could quite easily say that over sampling parliament and zapp isn't art for west coast beats.
and if you did say that, i'd say you were right.
and if you notice just about ever song i put up there is an original composition orif they use any kind of sample it's a small sample or a vocal one.
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if some of y'all are wondering why i didn't include any east coast beats.........i'm sorry but over sampling james brown isn't art
like how many east coast rap songs have u heard in ur life? 2? 1?
actually i can turn this one back around on you.....how many james brown songs have you heard!? do yourself a favor listen to some more james brown then relisten to any east coast or basic produced rap jam and you'll notice every drum loop is modeled after a james brown one..... the cliche rap drum beat is a drum riff from a 63' james brown song. yes a lot of west coast artists over sampled funk music but from my expert ears, at least they layed some kind of original composition over it. or molded something around it.
the west coast is to beats as the east coast is to lyracists
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I'm not a big James Brown fan, but it's not like i ain't heard any song by him. When you said 'sampling' i didn't think about drum riffs tho, but about vocal and melodic samples which would have made your statement ridiculous. R&B, Funk and Soul were all very influential to hiphop and if you think there's one certain drum riff that's cool but if you wanna reduce east coast hiphop to sampling the sound of its musical roots you can't reduce it to James Brown. Plus a hiphop beat consists of much more than a drum loop. And like you said yourself, west coast stuff is more funk-based but it lives off older stuff too. And IMO east coast artists 'lay original compositions' over their sampled musical structures too
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I'm not a big James Brown fan, but it's not like i ain't heard any song by him. When you said 'sampling' i didn't think about drum riffs tho, but about vocal and melodic samples which would have made your statement ridiculous. R&B, Funk and Soul were all very influential to hiphop and if you think there's one certain drum riff that's cool but if you wanna reduce east coast hiphop to sampling the sound of its musical roots you can't reduce it to James Brown. Plus a hiphop beat consists of much more than a drum loop. And like you said yourself, west coast stuff is more funk-based but it lives off older stuff too. And IMO east coast artists 'lay original compositions' over their sampled musical structures too
Exactly, there is more to hiphop than just the drums, and most of the time this is all producers sample from James Brown. They then build the tracks over the drum beat, in the same way as west coast producers build the rest of the beat around the funk sample they have used.
VOTING FOR THIS STAGE CLOSED!!
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This is for the "Best Beat" not the most original music or best production job.
I didn't check the sample for "T.R.O.Y." but I'm pretty sure those horns are just lifted and I don't care where he got it from, it's still some amazing music.
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This is for the "Best Beat" not the most original music or best production job.
I didn't check the sample for "T.R.O.Y." but I'm pretty sure those horns are just lifted and I don't care where he got it from, it's still some amazing music.
Yeah the horns were lifted, but so what, as you said its still some amazing music.
I'll put up the group stage voting sometime tonight or tomoz by the way.
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I'm not a big James Brown fan, but it's not like i ain't heard any song by him. When you said 'sampling' i didn't think about drum riffs tho, but about vocal and melodic samples which would have made your statement ridiculous. R&B, Funk and Soul were all very influential to hiphop and if you think there's one certain drum riff that's cool but if you wanna reduce east coast hiphop to sampling the sound of its musical roots you can't reduce it to James Brown. Plus a hiphop beat consists of much more than a drum loop. And like you said yourself, west coast stuff is more funk-based but it lives off older stuff too. And IMO east coast artists 'lay original compositions' over their sampled musical structures too
listen to any hip hop record from 85-92 . it is WELL KNOWN how cliche it was to sample james brown. not just his drum licks but his horn section, strings, voice ect. it also spilled over into the mid 90's......west coast artist i give a lil more leeway cuz most of their beats are more original.
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Raekwon - Ice Craem (RZA)
Dr. Dre - Still D.R.E.(Dr.Dre & Scott Storch)
The Roots - Seed 2.0 (I Thought ?uestlove)
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listen to any hip hop record from 85-92 . it is WELL KNOWN how cliche it was to sample james brown. not just his drum licks but his horn section, strings, voice ect. it also spilled over into the mid 90's......west coast artist i give a lil more leeway cuz most of their beats are more original.
I KNOW WELL how cliché that is and i never said Brown wasn't sampled alot, including melodic and vocal samples. But like you just said yourself you brought up a cliché and just stated every east coast hiphop beat is like that. Far as I know I did not list any beat sampling more of James Brown than maybe a drum riff or a certain basic pattern which would be nothing without the producer's 'original composition' over it. hiphop was always based on 'recycling' old material and turnin it into new shit and if you don't like that you don't have to listen to it. But your point always seemed to be w/c hiphop bein more original than e/c hiphop despite sampling just as much, only different material. And i really don't see what that point's supposed to be backed up by. Of course Brown is overused, but not by every e/c producer for every song