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Title: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 19, 2009, 08:50:41 PM
lets make this clear...they have to be NYC...not albany, not buffalo or any other city in New York state.


1-Big L "Lifestyles of the Poor n dangerous"
2-The GZA "Liquid Swords"
3-Nas "Illmatic"
4-Wu Tang "36 Chambers"
5-Notorious BIG "Ready to Die"
6-Non Phixion "The Future Is Now"
7-Kool G Rap "Wanted Dead or Alive"
8-Big L "The Big Picture"
9-Gravediggaz "6 Feet Deep"
10-Big Pun "Capitol Punishment"


tough list to make...the top 5 albums are all interexchangable (except I'm positive that Liquid Swords is better than 36 Chambers)

didn't include Gangstarr since neither member is FROM new york (guru boston, primo houston)
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: operation stackola on June 19, 2009, 09:27:35 PM
The best album made in NY rap history is clearly Only Built 4 Cuban Linx.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 19, 2009, 09:29:53 PM
tough list.

i think i would agree with Hack's list; but i have to include Only Built 4 Cuban Linx; but i'm clueless on who to remove from Hack's list. :P
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: herpes on June 19, 2009, 11:05:24 PM
Hack your list sucks more than a cheap hooker on a busy Friday night
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Blasphemy on June 20, 2009, 12:54:17 AM
Did he just leave Life after Death off  :o lol
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 20, 2009, 07:35:23 AM
tough list.

i think i would agree with Hack's list; but i have to include Only Built 4 Cuban Linx; but i'm clueless on who to remove from Hack's list. :P

yeah Raekwan was a classic...but to be honest the production on only built 4... does not match GZA or 36 chambers



and Teflon Tom, way to add such valuable input to our thread  ::)
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 20, 2009, 07:36:00 AM
Did he just leave Life after Death off  :o lol

too many filler tracks...wouldve been a GREAT one disc album


don't let the hype fool ya, Ready to die shits over life after death
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Moe on June 20, 2009, 07:37:34 AM
cam'ron- come home with me, sde, purple haze, killa season
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 20, 2009, 07:41:16 AM
cam'ron- come home with me, sde, purple haze, killa season

 :D
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: virtuoso on June 20, 2009, 07:43:23 AM

You didn't even mention Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Moe on June 20, 2009, 07:47:48 AM

You didn't even mention Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
because it sucked.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 20, 2009, 08:04:43 AM

You didn't even mention Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt

my favorite Jay-z album...infact it's the only album by Jay-z that has replay value...Bring It On is such a good song


still, it is not in the same realm or atmosphere as "Illmatic" or "Ready to Die" or or the top Wu-Tang albums
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: MediumL on June 20, 2009, 08:25:38 AM
1. Illmatic
2. 36 Chambers
3. Reasonable Doubt
4. Ready 2 Die
5. Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
6. Strictly Business
7. Mama Said Knock You Out
8. The Infamous
9. Stillmatic
10. Hell on Earth
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Makaveli's Food & Liquor on June 20, 2009, 08:48:29 AM
1.Infamous
2.Illmatic
3.Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous
4.Only Built For Cuban Linx
5.Ready To Die
6.36 Chambers
7.It's Dark & Hell Is Hot
8.Liquid Swords
9.Lost Tapes (if it can count?)
10.Reasonable Doubt

Like all lists though this changes depending on how i feel at the time, so its not 100% accurate on howd i'd rate them but w/e it is what it is
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 20, 2009, 08:51:13 AM
1.Infamous
2.Illmatic
3.Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous
4.Only Built For Cuban Linx
5.Ready To Die
6.36 Chambers
7.It's Dark & Hell Is Hot
8.Liquid Swords
9.Lost Tapes (if it can count?)
10.Reasonable Doubt

Like all lists though this changes depending on how i feel at the time, so its not 100% accurate on howd i'd rate them but w/e it is what it is

(http://img.maniadb.com/images/album/109/109873_cda_f.jpg)

if you really wanna count MC New York, sure but you really think that was Pac's best album? ;)








just kidding i know its Nas haha
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: NillerTheKid on June 20, 2009, 09:11:01 AM
no order:
Illmatic
Enter The 36 Chambers
Ready 2 Die
Hell On Earth
Nocturnal
OB4CL
Live And Let Die
Take A look Around
Enta Da Stage

Jesus Price Superstar   :P
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Dogg Ly Dogg on June 20, 2009, 09:40:31 AM
AZ - Do Or Die
Big L - Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous
Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full
Gangstarr - Daily Operation
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
Mobb Deep - The Infamous
Nas - Illmatic
Onyx - Bacdafucup
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Lynx
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The 36 Chambers
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Jin on June 20, 2009, 10:32:50 AM
1. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu (36 Chambers)
2. Mobb Deep - The Infamous
3. Nas - Illmatic
4. DMX - It's Dark And Hell Is Hot
5. Jeru The Damaja - The Sun Rises In The East
6. GZA - Liquid Swords
7. Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full
8. Method Man - Tical
9. Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
10. Mobb Deep - Hell On Earth
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: MediumL on June 20, 2009, 10:40:19 AM
o shit forgot about DMX. Id take that over stillmatic
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 20, 2009, 12:02:08 PM
wow, Reasonable Doubt has to make it!

just a classic album, you can't hate on that shit. 8)
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: herpes on June 20, 2009, 12:23:56 PM
tough list.

i think i would agree with Hack's list; but i have to include Only Built 4 Cuban Linx; but i'm clueless on who to remove from Hack's list. :P

yeah Raekwan was a classic...but to be honest the production on only built 4... does not match GZA or 36 chambers



and Teflon Tom, way to add such valuable input to our thread  ::)

LMFAO ... Non-Phixion doesn't deserve to be mentioned int he top 50 of NYC albums let along top 10 lol.

Nas - Illmatic
Biggie - Ready to Die
Wu-Tang - Enter the 36 Chambers
Big Daddy Kane - Long Live the Kane
Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
Eric B and Rakim - Paid In Full... Eric B is from Elmhurst Queens
Mobb Deep - The infamous
Raekwon - Only Built for Cuban Linx
AZ - Doe or Die
Kool G Rap - Road to Riches
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Hatesrats™ on June 20, 2009, 12:31:11 PM
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Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: reesed on June 20, 2009, 01:32:16 PM
I've gotta go with illmatic.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: white Boy on June 20, 2009, 03:21:16 PM
year paid in full and slick rick's great adventures def top 10
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: MediumL on June 20, 2009, 03:42:09 PM
i thought he said artists have to be born and bred in NY hence no gangstar. if so slick ricks out of the running - UK stand up!
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 20, 2009, 04:33:11 PM
tough list.

i think i would agree with Hack's list; but i have to include Only Built 4 Cuban Linx; but i'm clueless on who to remove from Hack's list. :P

yeah Raekwan was a classic...but to be honest the production on only built 4... does not match GZA or 36 chambers



and Teflon Tom, way to add such valuable input to our thread  ::)

LMFAO ... Non-Phixion doesn't deserve to be mentioned int he top 50 of NYC albums let along top 10 lol.

Nas - Illmatic
Biggie - Ready to Die
Wu-Tang - Enter the 36 Chambers
Big Daddy Kane - Long Live the Kane
Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
Eric B and Rakim - Paid In Full... Eric B is from Elmhurst Queens
Mobb Deep - The infamous
Raekwon - Only Built for Cuban Linx
AZ - Doe or Die
Kool G Rap - Road to Riches


non phixion had production by Primo, Large Professor, Pete Rock, Beatnuts and Necro....not many people can say that
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Action! on June 20, 2009, 05:01:50 PM
If you want a true top ten it would really depend on the generation we're talking about.   Then we can analyze who had the most influence and who had the most technical skill.  But a top ten list would, at they very least, feature

Nas's illmatic
Biggie Smalls's Ready to Die
Eric B & Rakim Paid in Full (or any of their albums)
50's Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Jay-Z's Blueprint (or Black Album though I think Blueprint cemented his legacy)
a Public Enemy album
a KRS-One album
a Wu-Tang album
a Kool G Rap ablum

New York is the mecca.  Shit's hard to touch on with 10 albums so I tried to pick the most influential one's that came to mind.  Technique's Rev Vol 2 is probably one of my favorite hip-hop works from New York.  Reks Grey Hairs/More Grey Hairs.  Saigon's All In A Day's Work.  Papoose mixtapes.  Bunch of dope modern artist that just need to learn how to hustle the mainstream better.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Moe on June 20, 2009, 07:09:31 PM
tough list.

i think i would agree with Hack's list; but i have to include Only Built 4 Cuban Linx; but i'm clueless on who to remove from Hack's list. :P

yeah Raekwan was a classic...but to be honest the production on only built 4... does not match GZA or 36 chambers



and Teflon Tom, way to add such valuable input to our thread  ::)

LMFAO ... Non-Phixion doesn't deserve to be mentioned int he top 50 of NYC albums let along top 10 lol.

Nas - Illmatic
Biggie - Ready to Die
Wu-Tang - Enter the 36 Chambers
Big Daddy Kane - Long Live the Kane
Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
Eric B and Rakim - Paid In Full... Eric B is from Elmhurst Queens
Mobb Deep - The infamous
Raekwon - Only Built for Cuban Linx
AZ - Doe or Die
Kool G Rap - Road to Riches


non phixion had production by Primo, Large Professor, Pete Rock, Beatnuts and Necro....not many people can say that
ive never heard of nonphixion.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 20, 2009, 07:12:03 PM
Get Rich or Die Tryin' is a great album, in my opinon; but it doesn't crack the top 10 NYC albums, for me.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Action! on June 20, 2009, 07:36:36 PM
From my perspective it was the most influential product from New York in probably a decade.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: herpes on June 20, 2009, 08:05:19 PM
If you want a true top ten it would really depend on the generation we're talking about.   Then we can analyze who had the most influence and who had the most technical skill.  But a top ten list would, at they very least, feature

Nas's illmatic
Biggie Smalls's Ready to Die
Eric B & Rakim Paid in Full (or any of their albums)
50's Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Jay-Z's Blueprint (or Black Album though I think Blueprint cemented his legacy)
a Public Enemy album
a KRS-One album
a Wu-Tang album
a Kool G Rap ablum

New York is the mecca.  Shit's hard to touch on with 10 albums so I tried to pick the most influential one's that came to mind.  Technique's Rev Vol 2 is probably one of my favorite hip-hop works from New York.  Reks Grey Hairs/More Grey Hairs.  Saigon's All In A Day's Work.  Papoose mixtapes.  Bunch of dope modern artist that just need to learn how to hustle the mainstream better.

Public Enemy are from LI
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: pootypooty on June 20, 2009, 10:26:36 PM
I'm gonna take a different angle to this thread and recognize what I feel were the most important albums from NYC instead of the best. In my opinion, the "Golden Age" of Hip-Hop was from '86-'91. When Dr. Dre delivered The Chronic in '92, Hip-Hop underwent another paradigm shift of sorts which elevated the artistic merit of the craft and the culture. Here are what I feel were the most influential albums from NYC that defined Hip-Hop during its Golden Age.

1986
(http://i37.tinypic.com/118k4td.jpg)

Mainstream Hip-Hop owes thanks to this album. Walk This Way became the first Hip-Hop single to crack the Top 5 on Billboard charts, giving the genre credibility in terms of commercial viability.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/Licensed_to_ill.jpg)

Just when rap music was labeled as strictly belonging to blacks from urban NYC, the Beastie Boys came out of nowhere to break down those stereotypical barriers. Licensed To Ill continued what Raising Hell started as far as commercially viable mainstream Hip-Hop goes. It was also the first Hip-Hop album to go #1 on Billboard 200 chart.

(http://www.lionpromos.biz/prodimages/rap%20music%20cds/salt%20n%20pepa%20hot%20cool%20vicious.jpg)

Say what you want, but it literally broke the floodgates open for female rappers on a commercial scale. On top of that, it was the first female rap album to go platinum. While I'm of the opinion that MC Lyte was the female Rakim of her time period, Salt N Pepa were the female Run DMC due to their commercial appeal.

1987
(http://remixtheory.net/remixImages/paidInFull.jpg)

It goes without saying what this album did for Hip-Hop. Rakim single-handedly changed the art of lyricism the moment he kicked his first bars from this album.

(http://www.lib.washington.edu/media/hiphop/images/covers/boogie_down_productions.jpg)

It was "South Bronx" and "The Bridge Is Over" that showcased the art of rap battling on wax. Not to mention, this was the first Hip-Hop album to brandish weapons on its cover.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/LL_Cool_J_-_Bigger_and_Deffer.jpg)

This album showed the dual nature of LL Cool J at a time when it was taboo to do so. Afterall, "I Need Love" was the first rap ballad to receive commercial success. While "I'm Bad" was the ultimate braggadocios record to garner some commercial appeal.

1988
(http://www.1000recordings.com/images/artist-p/public-enemy-699-l.jpg)

Politically charged rap didn't necessarily start with Public Enemy, but it certainly was elevated by them to the point where they became the epitome of it. Artists like The Coup, Paris, dead prez, etc. owe thanks to this album. Plus you know you've made an impact outside of the Hip-Hop genre when a cultural icon like Kurt Cobain of Nirvana cites this album in his journal as being one of his Top 50 albums of all time.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511TD4NVK1L.jpg)

Storytelling raps didn't begin with Slick Rick, but much like what Public Enemy is to Political rap, Slick Rick is to storytelling rap. His delivery was so unique that his ability to shift between different characters throughout a song was innovative in and of itself.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9NR5yHjjUPM/Rp_9Fv_3nwI/AAAAAAAAAS8/mfHYpKo7pjM/s400/big+daddy+kn.jpg)

Who else do you know from this time period could lyrically compete with Rakim, dance as good as New Edition and cater to the ladies with his own style as a sharp dressing Casanova pimp? This album embodied all of that and then some.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/priestrules/album%20covers/B000003B7B_01_LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

The brilliance of this album was not only its sample heavy production, but the fact that Erick Sermon was just as good at rapping as he was at producing. His signature laid-back style meshed well with partner-in-rhyme Parrish Smith. The overall vibe of the album is laid-back, fun and party oriented. They weren't exactly hardcore but they weren't pop rap either. This album has been argued by some critics to have influenced the g-funk sound of the West Coast leading up to The Chronic.

1989
(http://www.backspin.de/uploads/tx_bsprintimport/083-BITD_KoolGRap01.jpg)

Kool G Rap is the Godfather of the rapid-fire multi-syllabic rhyme scheme. Like Slick Rick's aptitude for storytelling, G Rap is credited for heralding mafioso-themed raps.

(http://binkis.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/3_feet_high_b000000hhe.jpg)

De La Soul came at a time when Hardcore/Gangsta Rap was booming. Like The Jungle Brothers before them and A Tribe Called Quest after them, De La Soul were part of the Native Tongues movement which focused on Afrocentric themes with positive, uplifting lyrics fueled by eclectic jazzy sampled sounds. Furthermore, the group became the first commercially successful group from the Native Tongues movement.

Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Action! on June 20, 2009, 10:30:41 PM
Good post, that's what I was trying to get at with my og post.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: pootypooty on June 20, 2009, 10:44:47 PM
Good post, that's what I was trying to get at with my og post.
the parrot says:
pootypooty is on point.

+1
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: QuietTruth on June 21, 2009, 01:14:03 PM
I think somebody just made a very good post on the page, rightttt here...
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: herpes on June 21, 2009, 01:32:41 PM
the parrot says:
pootypooty is on point.

No he's not.  Hack asked for the best albums from NYC.  De La, PE, and EPMD are from Long Island lol if you want to get technical lol.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: midwestryder on June 21, 2009, 02:40:28 PM
I'm gonna take a different angle to this thread and recognize what I feel were the most important albums from NYC instead of the best. In my opinion, the "Golden Age" of Hip-Hop was from '86-'91. When Dr. Dre delivered The Chronic in '92, Hip-Hop underwent another paradigm shift of sorts which elevated the artistic merit of the craft and the culture. Here are what I feel were the most influential albums from NYC that defined Hip-Hop during its Golden Age.

.


the golden age hip hop was not 86 -91 at all. i should know because i was born jan 13,1978 & started living & listening to hip hop since 1982 . the golden era of hip hop was from 1989 to 1996 not  1986 t0o 1991.this not opinion but a fact.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: pootypooty on June 21, 2009, 03:56:29 PM
the golden age hip hop was not 86 -91 at all. i should know because i was born jan 13,1978 & started living & listening to hip hop since 1982 .

Okay, so what? I'm 5 yrs. older than you and embraced the culture in '84 via breakdancing, but that's irrelevant.


the golden era of hip hop was from 1989 to 1996 not  1986 t0o 1991.this not opinion but a fact.

Until you can provide me with a scholarly peer reviewed article that supports your "fact", what you've done is given me your own opinion on the topic. While I respect your opinion, I respectfully disagree with it. Let's agree to disagree.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: pootypooty on June 21, 2009, 04:08:39 PM
BTW, to add to my previous post, in my opinion, '92-'97 was a continuation of the Golden Age, or what I'd call the 2nd Era of the Golden Age. The Chronic had such a profound impact on the culture that it heralded this so-called 2nd Era.

Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 21, 2009, 04:13:45 PM
i personally always thought the "golden age" was '92-'97.

all my favorite albums dropped then anyway. ;D

then after that, their is only a few albums i would even put in the same discussion as the albums that dropped from '92-'97.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Þŕiņçë on June 21, 2009, 04:19:33 PM
Your a chamillionaire fan, you know nothing about music!
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: pootypooty on June 21, 2009, 04:21:56 PM
i personally always thought the "golden age" was '92-'97.

all my favorite albums dropped then anyway. ;D

then after that, their is only a few albums i would even put in the same discussion as the albums that dropped from '92-'97.

The '92-'97 era was great without a doubt. The Chronic elevated the art of production in '92 the same way Paid In Full elevated the art of lyricism in '87.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 21, 2009, 04:25:47 PM
i personally always thought the "golden age" was '92-'97.

all my favorite albums dropped then anyway. ;D

then after that, their is only a few albums i would even put in the same discussion as the albums that dropped from '92-'97.

The '92-'97 era was great without a doubt. The Chronic elevated the art of production in '92 the same way Paid In Full elevated the art of lyricism in '87.

no doubt, it just seems when you talk about "whose the best rapper?", "who made the best album?"; the list always seems to be guys from the '92-'97 ERA.

damn, rap was the shit back in the day. 8)

Your a chamillionaire fan, you know nothing about music!

 :D
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: pootypooty on June 21, 2009, 04:37:21 PM
i personally always thought the "golden age" was '92-'97.

all my favorite albums dropped then anyway. ;D

then after that, their is only a few albums i would even put in the same discussion as the albums that dropped from '92-'97.

The '92-'97 era was great without a doubt. The Chronic elevated the art of production in '92 the same way Paid In Full elevated the art of lyricism in '87.

no doubt, it just seems when you talk about "whose the best rapper?", "who made the best album?"; the list always seems to be guys from the '92-'97 ERA.

damn, rap was the shit back in the day. 8)

That's true, the majority of those lists will feature the '92-'97 era artists. But we as fans overlook who provided the blueprint to those from the '92-'97 era. Nas, Jay, Eminem, Biggie, 2Pac and the other usual suspects listed in GOAT lists nowadays have in some way paid homage to the '86-'91 era artists whether through song or through interviews.
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Post by: Chad Vader on June 21, 2009, 05:51:13 PM
^^^
or it could be that cats is too young to remember?
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: pootypooty on June 21, 2009, 06:01:38 PM
^^^
or it could be that cats is too young to remember?

That too. Inter-generational dialogue in Hip-Hop has been challenging.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Chad Vader on June 21, 2009, 06:25:24 PM
^^^
or it could be that cats is too young to remember?

That too. Inter-generational dialogue in Hip-Hop has been challenging.

yep,and again those that came up on that period "don't remember" those that came before 86-87.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 21, 2009, 06:57:37 PM
tough list.

i think i would agree with Hack's list; but i have to include Only Built 4 Cuban Linx; but i'm clueless on who to remove from Hack's list. :P

yeah Raekwan was a classic...but to be honest the production on only built 4... does not match GZA or 36 chambers



and Teflon Tom, way to add such valuable input to our thread  ::)

LMFAO ... Non-Phixion doesn't deserve to be mentioned int he top 50 of NYC albums let along top 10 lol.

Nas - Illmatic
Biggie - Ready to Die
Wu-Tang - Enter the 36 Chambers
Big Daddy Kane - Long Live the Kane
Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
Eric B and Rakim - Paid In Full... Eric B is from Elmhurst Queens
Mobb Deep - The infamous
Raekwon - Only Built for Cuban Linx
AZ - Doe or Die
Kool G Rap - Road to Riches


non phixion had production by Primo, Large Professor, Pete Rock, Beatnuts and Necro....not many people can say that
ive never heard of nonphixion.

LOL so if you've never heard it how can you judge it?


htey got production from LEGENDS on their debut album....non phixion shits on (insert west coast rapper here)
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Moe on June 21, 2009, 07:02:06 PM
tough list.

i think i would agree with Hack's list; but i have to include Only Built 4 Cuban Linx; but i'm clueless on who to remove from Hack's list. :P

yeah Raekwan was a classic...but to be honest the production on only built 4... does not match GZA or 36 chambers



and Teflon Tom, way to add such valuable input to our thread  ::)

LMFAO ... Non-Phixion doesn't deserve to be mentioned int he top 50 of NYC albums let along top 10 lol.

Nas - Illmatic
Biggie - Ready to Die
Wu-Tang - Enter the 36 Chambers
Big Daddy Kane - Long Live the Kane
Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
Eric B and Rakim - Paid In Full... Eric B is from Elmhurst Queens
Mobb Deep - The infamous
Raekwon - Only Built for Cuban Linx
AZ - Doe or Die
Kool G Rap - Road to Riches


non phixion had production by Primo, Large Professor, Pete Rock, Beatnuts and Necro....not many people can say that
ive never heard of nonphixion.

LOL so if you've never heard it how can you judge it?


htey got production from LEGENDS on their debut album....non phixion shits on (insert west coast rapper here)
where was i judging nonphixion?
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 21, 2009, 08:23:45 PM
^^^
or it could be that cats is too young to remember?

That too. Inter-generational dialogue in Hip-Hop has been challenging.

yep,and again those that came up on that period "don't remember" those that came before 86-87.


not going to front, that was before my time.

an older sound to my ears, i bump old shit when i hear it; but i can't say i go looking for it.

 :-[
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: pootypooty on June 21, 2009, 09:40:40 PM
^^^
or it could be that cats is too young to remember?

That too. Inter-generational dialogue in Hip-Hop has been challenging.

yep,and again those that came up on that period "don't remember" those that came before 86-87.


It means you don't necessarily wanna be the "very first" at ushering in something brand new and expect to earn the same amount of respect from future generations as the culture evolves. While Kool Herc is credited as the first to do what he did for DJ'ing, he's merely acknowledged as a Pioneer, but the Jazzy Jeff's, Jam Master Jay's, etc. get the accolades and respect for elevating the craft itself.

Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: pootypooty on June 21, 2009, 10:08:28 PM
^^^
true that,they don't neccesary have to like old school shit... but it wouldn't hurt to dig a little in the past.


I'm with you.

The thing that needs to happen and has been a work in progress from my understanding is proper scholarship of the culture. KRS said in an old interview from a few years ago that some of the so-called historiography of Hip-Hop that is out there already is biased and poorly written leaving out important elements and information. While he didn't say specifically what it was, it let me know that objective scholarship is needed in order to sustain the culture. Since the majority of the Pioneer's are still alive, now is the best time for scholarship to compile the data.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: Action! on June 21, 2009, 10:27:49 PM
you got a link to that interview?
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: pootypooty on June 21, 2009, 10:51:14 PM
you got a link to that interview?

http://www.unkut.com/2007/06/krs-one-the-unkut-interview/

On the new album, “I Was There” makes mention of hip-hop historians that weren’t first-hand witnesses to what happened. Was that inspired by anything in a particular book or just general reading of websites and magazines?

It wasn’t one particular book – it was most of the hip-hop books that I’m reading are not dealing with scholarship. They’re dealing with the folklore and the mythology of hip-hop. They are being politically correct according to what rappers have said hip-hop’s history is, but they are not doing the full scholarship that it takes to write down history or to document any piece of it. So I mention a whole lotta events and places that I was actually at. It doesn’t mean that you’re not an authentic hip-hop historian if you weren’t at these places – not at all. But it does mean that if you have not interviewed KRS-One, you cannot call yourself a hip-hop historian. If you have not interviewed Afrika Bambatta or Kool Herc, while they’re alive, you cannot call yourself a hip-hop historian. Grandmaster Flash, Crazy Legs – same way. Even bringing it up to people like Harry Allen and Ernie Paniccioli and Chris Lighty from Violator – these are scholars of the culture. These are not record-makers, these are people who’ve been there from the beginning and can tell you – with documentation – how this whole thing came together. They’re not even being discussed in these books.

One book that comes to mind as I speak: Can’t Stop, Won’t Stop – Jeff Chang. Jeff Chang, I would say cultural friend; I’ve been interviewed by him on several occasions. When I read Can’t Stop, Won’t Stop I didn’t see the scholarship. I saw Kool Herc thrown at the front of the book for his own credibility – and the foreword was wack – then he goes on to explain hip-hop, obliviously from a Def Jam-slanted point of view – because that’s where he worked, mostly – and then he gets around to the Stop The Violence movement and totally down-plays the movement, destroys any kind of hope we have for leadership in our culture, and just breezes over with inaccurate information about the Stop The Violence movement, about even the song “Stop The Violence” that appears on By All Means Necessary – just wrong information. I wouldn’t call it a lie, ‘cause I know he’s not trying to lie about these things, it’s just inaccurate information! He didn’t do his homework! Then of course there are books that are scholarly magnificent, like That’s The Joint. That record is calling for writers to step-up on their history. Don’t get caught-up in the records, assuming that “South Bronx” is hip-hop’s history. It’s not. Hip-hop did not start in the South Bronx – it started in the West Bronx. But at the time I was repping the South Bronx, and the people I mentioned were from South Bronx, West Bronx, Northern Bronx, East Bronx – but my song was “South Bronx” ‘cause that’s where I was from. But we have journalists posing as scholars that are listening to a record and saying “OK, because KRS said in a record that this is the history, we’re gonna write it in a book” and we need to get away from that.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: stillinrehab on June 22, 2009, 02:08:05 AM
AZ - Do Or Die
Big L - Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous
Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full
Gangstarr - Daily Operation
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
Mobb Deep - The Infamous
Nas - Illmatic
Onyx - Bacdafucup
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Lynx
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The 36 Chambers

Not a bad list good to see someone finally repping ONYX up in this bitch  8) Nice!
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: MontrealCity's Most on June 22, 2009, 03:49:48 PM
Ready to die

nuff said.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on June 23, 2009, 02:56:53 AM
I think you can simply do your history by listening to older music before your time as a fan..  And the other part of the culture is learning and dropping knowledge of the shit you did miss, from other people.  That's also how you develop your taste in the kind of Hip-Hop you like..  No one gotta take "Hip-Hop classes", lol.
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: ToOoOoN!!! on June 25, 2009, 07:27:44 AM
run-dmc : raising hell
Title: Re: BEST ALBUMS IN THE HISTORY OF NEW YORK CITY RAP HISTORY?
Post by: ToOoOoN!!! on June 25, 2009, 10:42:23 AM
run-dmc : raising hell


Objectively or subjective? Cause as a Run DMC fan,I hate that album  :P....
I hated it back then and still hates it.... The first two albums on the other hand.... pure heat.  ;)
But objectively shit is a bonafied classic  ;)


i know that walk this way is played out to the max but how can you hate on Peter Piper,Perfection and hit it run ?  :P but it's all good everyone has their on taste  8)