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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Laconic on March 12, 2009, 10:17:30 PM
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http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+obama+deception&hl=en&emb=0&aq=2&oq=the+obama#q=the+obama+deception&hl=en&emb=0&aq=2&oq=the+obama&start=20
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I seen it. I don't like Alex Jones and think he uses fearmongering to sell stuff but the info in this documentary is pretty well stated and dead on on a lot of points.
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nothing most of us didn't already know but presented well enough. a lot of people can relate to alex jones but i agree he uses fearmongering and a threatening attitude to 'confont' our 'problems', which is probably not the answer. however i can get a laugh out of over the topness and his show always has some good guests.
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Yeah most definitely, some of the guests have been truly excellent guests although ultimately it is about the information and not the personality.
I will take a look, thanks
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A lot of the information is good from Alex Jones but the way he presents it sometimes does a disservice to people who know whats going on because he brings alot of ridicule for his over the top rants.
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A lot of the information is good from Alex Jones but the way he presents it sometimes does a disservice to people who know whats going on because he brings alot of ridicule for his over the top rants.
Plus he's a Christian, so he'll automatically assume any sort of secret society is trying to undermine his kooky religion oops I mean the entire world.
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A lot of the information is good from Alex Jones but the way he presents it sometimes does a disservice to people who know whats going on because he brings alot of ridicule for his over the top rants.
Plus he's a Christian, so he'll automatically assume any sort of secret society is trying to undermine his kooky religion oops I mean the entire world.
They are a secret society for a reason man ;D
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A lot of the information is good from Alex Jones but the way he presents it sometimes does a disservice to people who know whats going on because he brings alot of ridicule for his over the top rants.
Plus he's a Christian, so he'll automatically assume any sort of secret society is trying to undermine his kooky religion oops I mean the entire world.
They are a secret society for a reason man ;D
Yet not every reason is a sinister one. There are just some groups or organizations that we will just have to live with not knowing every facet of their operation. The fact that Jones copes with that by believing every secret organization in the world is some sort of reptilian bloodline hidden from the public is plain ludicrous.
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Tell me which secret societies are good?
Also he he has never mentioned reptilians, that's a David Icke thing
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Tell me which secret societies are good?
Also he he has never mentioned reptilians, that's a David Icke thing
I stand corrected, that is David Icke.
However, the Freemasons, and the Shriners are innately good, progressive organizations which have had the worst rap because of religious fundamentalists and certain asshole conducting Illuminati affairs within the confines of the group.
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Tell me which secret societies are good?
Also he he has never mentioned reptilians, that's a David Icke thing
I stand corrected, that is David Icke.
However, the Freemasons, and the Shriners are innately good, progressive organizations which have had the worst rap because of religious fundamentalists and certain asshole conducting Illuminati affairs within the confines of the group.
Question for you, have you ever watched riddles in stone?
There are lots of good people within the masonic organisation but the documentary illustrates that at the highest levels there is a deeper purpose behind the organisation itself. I think it's similar to the army in respect of there are lots of honest, good, hard working, decent people within the army who think they are doing the right thing and have been taught not to question, to follow any orders because it's for the good of the country and they are fighting for freedom. They have heard those words uttered so many times from their peers that it becomes second nature to accept it.
Therefore the military far from defending this nation has become a battering ram to invade and seize and control the resources and wealth of other nations and topple their elected leaders if politically they are not toeing the political line demanded of them from the anglo ruling groups.
However watch riddles in stone and it becomes apparent what the organisation (masons) really is.
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^No I haven't but I'd like to now, I think I'll stroll through some torrent sites.
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i saw this posted some where as a new release today and i laughed, the man hasn't even been in office a good year yet (less that 2 months) and these people are already all up in judging his performance. This is the man America voted for, and the man the world wanted America to vote in, we didn't vote him in for the fuck of it, it was cuz he was the best man for the job and the only one worth voting for that on the ballot. this film is a cheap swing at him way to early in his first term.
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i saw this posted some where as a new release today and i laughed, the man hasn't even been in office a good year yet (less that 2 months) and these people are already all up in judging his performance. This is the man America voted for, and the man the world wanted America to vote in, we didn't vote him in for the fuck of it, it was cuz he was the best man for the job and the only one worth voting for that on the ballot. this film is a cheap swing at him way to early in his first term.
Hey, Obama wants you to join the citizen army. It's 3 months of boot camp.
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The only citizen army I am joining is against the govt.
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i saw this posted some where as a new release today and i laughed, the man hasn't even been in office a good year yet (less that 2 months) and these people are already all up in judging his performance. This is the man America voted for, and the man the world wanted America to vote in, we didn't vote him in for the fuck of it, it was cuz he was the best man for the job and the only one worth voting for that on the ballot. this film is a cheap swing at him way to early in his first term.
Hey, Obama wants you to join the citizen army. It's 3 months of boot camp.
according to who?
when i hear the words Citizen army i hear grass roots movement-- ppl working for the betterment of their communities
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i saw this posted some where as a new release today and i laughed, the man hasn't even been in office a good year yet (less that 2 months) and these people are already all up in judging his performance. This is the man America voted for, and the man the world wanted America to vote in, we didn't vote him in for the fuck of it, it was cuz he was the best man for the job and the only one worth voting for that on the ballot. this film is a cheap swing at him way to early in his first term.
Hey, Obama wants you to join the citizen army. It's 3 months of boot camp.
according to who?
when i hear the words Citizen army i hear grass roots movement-- ppl working for the betterment of their communities
What is grass roots movement? :D
Unless you're talking about ppl defending their home from any intruders like infamous L.A. jungle?
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i saw this posted some where as a new release today and i laughed, the man hasn't even been in office a good year yet (less that 2 months) and these people are already all up in judging his performance. This is the man America voted for, and the man the world wanted America to vote in, we didn't vote him in for the fuck of it, it was cuz he was the best man for the job and the only one worth voting for that on the ballot. this film is a cheap swing at him way to early in his first term.
Hey, Obama wants you to join the citizen army. It's 3 months of boot camp.
according to who?
when i hear the words Citizen army i hear grass roots movement-- ppl working for the betterment of their communities
What is grass roots movement? :D
Unless you're talking about ppl defending their home from any intruders like infamous L.A. jungle?
if u don't know u should that the time look it up and understand the full meaning
but what ur saying is that obama want's people to fight their own wars, and causes no?
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for those who don't know GRASSROOT MOVEMENT:
here it is
A grassroots movement (often referenced in the context of a political movement) is one driven by the constituents of a community. The term implies that the creation of the movement and the group supporting it is natural and spontaneous, highlighting the differences between this and a movement that is orchestrated by traditional power structures. Often, grassroots movements are at the local level, as many volunteers in the community give their time to support the local party, which can lead to helping the national party. For instance, a grassroots movement can lead to significant voter registration for a political party, which in turn helps the state and national parties
So, Time, it's more of a street politic group, yeah?
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i saw this posted some where as a new release today and i laughed, the man hasn't even been in office a good year yet (less that 2 months) and these people are already all up in judging his performance. This is the man America voted for, and the man the world wanted America to vote in, we didn't vote him in for the fuck of it, it was cuz he was the best man for the job and the only one worth voting for that on the ballot. this film is a cheap swing at him way to early in his first term.
Hey, Obama wants you to join the citizen army. It's 3 months of boot camp.
according to who?
when i hear the words Citizen army i hear grass roots movement-- ppl working for the betterment of their communities
What is grass roots movement? :D
Unless you're talking about ppl defending their home from any intruders like infamous L.A. jungle?
if u don't know u should that the time look it up and understand the full meaning
but what ur saying is that obama want's people to fight their own wars, and causes no?
It seems Obama wants to use the citizen against us. Actually, there are getting police and National Guards on streets these days. For example, katrina incident, yeah it might been due to disaster incident, they moved these guys somewhere for some politic reason...reason, i wouldn't know.
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yeah grass roots movements are not always political but are often formed by people who want to take their own intuitive when things are not going their way and can find common ground with other members to make or provoke change in their favor(s)
so with that said it's not exactly a "army" nothing militant/military about it for the most part but i still don't get where you're getting this Citizen Army shit from
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i saw this posted some where as a new release today and i laughed, the man hasn't even been in office a good year yet (less that 2 months) and these people are already all up in judging his performance. This is the man America voted for, and the man the world wanted America to vote in, we didn't vote him in for the fuck of it, it was cuz he was the best man for the job and the only one worth voting for that on the ballot. this film is a cheap swing at him way to early in his first term.
Hey, Obama wants you to join the citizen army. It's 3 months of boot camp.
according to who?
when i hear the words Citizen army i hear grass roots movement-- ppl working for the betterment of their communities
What is grass roots movement? :D
Unless you're talking about ppl defending their home from any intruders like infamous L.A. jungle?
if u don't know u should that the time look it up and understand the full meaning
but what ur saying is that obama want's people to fight their own wars, and causes no?
It seems Obama wants to use the citizen against us. Actually, there are getting police and National Guards on streets these days. For example, katrina incident, yeah it might been due to disaster incident, they moved these guys somewhere for some politic reason...reason, i wouldn't know.
yeah i'd rather deal with local police and trusted people in the community than the national guard or military
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yeah grass roots movements are not always political but are often formed by people who want to take their own intuitive when things are not going their way and can find common ground with other members to make or provoke change in their favor(s)
so with that said it's not exactly a "army" nothing militant/military about it for the most part but i still don't get where you're getting this Citizen Army shit from
oh, the news were reporting about recruiting citizens to be the citizen army.... i'm still wondering about myself. I heard this on foxnews and msnbc....so...yeah..
even in this movie as well.
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Essentially what you have is the military
The police
Now a citizen army, an army whose job it is to police America
Who do the citizen army swear an oath to? whose orders do they follow? who are they answerable to? what will their job be? how many will be in this citizen army? will they have more or less powers than the police
An american stasi is being created and now the media is insisting that's a good thing. You see, if George Bush had done this, people would have been up in arms and calling this blatant in your face tyranny but of course because of the timing, people are actually welcoming this.
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yeah grass roots movements are not always political but are often formed by people who want to take their own intuitive when things are not going their way and can find common ground with other members to make or provoke change in their favor(s)
so with that said it's not exactly a "army" nothing militant/military about it for the most part but i still don't get where you're getting this Citizen Army shit from
oh, the news were reporting about recruiting citizens to be the citizen army.... i'm still wondering about myself. I heard this on foxnews and msnbc....so...yeah..
even in this movie as well.
since bush started the iraq war they been recruiting any and everywhere for the regular military, but yeah fox news has been a bad source of info in the past so i wouldn't take any news from them like that especially... to be on point and as for this movie i d/l it and see wtf they really on the trailer and synopsis on it make it out to be just bs rhetoric
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Essentially what you have is the military
The police
Now a citizen army, an army whose job it is to police America
Who do the citizen army swear an oath to? whose orders do they follow? who are they answerable to? what will their job be? how many will be in this citizen army? will they have more or less powers than the police
An american stasi is being created and now the media is insisting that's a good thing. You see, if George Bush had done this, people would have been up in arms and calling this blatant in your face tyranny but of course because of the timing, people are actually welcoming this.
see this is the first i'm hearing of this shit and the sources yall getting the info from is not very solid
where u getting urs?
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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AVDEZCJS
D\Ling it now
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aite so i just got done watching the flick and i was already aware of about 60% of it's information... like the Bilderberg Group being in control of the FED and how the FED is set up and i actually was listening to the coast2coast broadcast when it aired about this big meeting Bilderberg was having at the Marriott and shit sounded funny as hell to me cuz dude just sound crazy the way how he comes off over the phone... i digg that they added KRS' take on everything, it lead me to dive more into his thoughts on our new prez.. over all i not mad that i watched this film, it's good info to peep, just some of it is kinda way out there, but all possible when i think about it.
peace
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aite so i just got done watching the flick and i was already aware of about 60% of it's information... like the Bilderberg Group being in control of the FED and how the FED is set up and i actually was listening to the coast2coast broadcast when it aired about this big meeting Bilderberg was having at the Marriott and shit sounded funny as hell to me cuz dude just sound crazy the way how he comes off over the phone... i digg that they added KRS' take on everything, it lead me to dive more into his thoughts on our new prez.. over all i not mad that i watched this film, it's good info to peep, just some of it is kinda way out there, but all possible when i think about it.
peace
sign up, soldier! jk. :laugh:
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There's a lot of new info for me....
but be-careful, Take Alex Jones (and KRS-One for that matter) with a grain of salt.... they are both still under the influence of Religion, which is also a big part of the controlling force in this world.....
But the vast majority of the info in these 3 videos is accurate.... Much respect for the link.....
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Obama himself said he wanted a domestic army.
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There's a lot of new info for me....
but be-careful, Take Alex Jones (and KRS-One for that matter) with a grain of salt.... they are both still under the influence of Religion, which is also a big part of the controlling force in this world.....
But the vast majority of the info in these 3 videos is accurate.... Much respect for the link.....
KRS-1 is a philosipher but the Alex Jones guy i have no idea if he's a Jesus freak or not i don't get that from the film
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Man has only been in office for less that 100 days, and there is already shit out against him. I'm checking this out now. The Google vid didn't load, but I just got the DL from Lee. Let me see what's this about.
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I've seen this, checked it twice, and I have to say this.
Most of the stuff here is common knowledge, from the Fairness Doctrine to the environmental issues. Now with each issue, there are two sides, and there are two opinions. What this documentary is, is almost like Lou Dobbs on steroids, which I guess the Ron Paul movement. To me, we are in a globalized world. We are in a situation right now were our enemies are not government, they are not government ideals, but in fact drug cartels that run the Mexican government in many levels, terrorist orgs that have highly religious ideals that force people to do dumb shit, like bomb abortion clinics or Jewish temples. THe world is different, and each issue put on here is seen different by different people with different ideals. Fairness Doctrine was introduced by Democrats who saw 2 cable news networks (Fox and MSNBC) over ran by conservatives and saw their pet Air America get stomped by the established conservative talk radio giants like Hannity and Rush. As someone who grew up in California, I saw pollution, I saw days when you could not see down the block because the smog was so thick that all you saw was grey nasty air. I have seen the air causing global warning, and being next to Los Angeles all my life, I can not see how people cannot see the pollution in the air that we breath. My home valley leads the nation in pollution and lung cancer, if it's not about global warming, then it's about health and the well being of people who live in urban areas were the air is the dirtiest.
Now as for Obama being in the New World Order. Facts are facts, and one thing I realized going into this year was that Obama had the support of the banks. They have worked hard to get into Team Obama starting in 2006. Now the banks are benefiting with him in office. Now the rest of what we think of the New World Order, like military and what not are actually not supporters of Obama. He may be there to escalate the war in Afghanistan, but in a world were we believe a man in a cave half way around the world knock over our two towers, he has to do that. Now his liberal base is starting to have second thoughts on this, as many supported him to begin with on this issue, are now saying we should just get out no matter what. I believe if we capture Bin Laden, I truly believe we can get some answers. I think he'd sell out Bush and the rest of the American power back in 2001. He has already order getting 12,000 troops in Iraq, and ran saying he was not getting people out right away. He ran on that back in 2007, so to say he ran on anything else is misleading in this Documentary. There are many other things that are highly misleading in here, it's not all facts, like only giving congress 1 hour to vote on the stimulus, it was actually one day, but some wanted more time. Members of his own party voted against because of this. This Documentary, well full of facts, also threw in misleading "information" to push their agenda one way or another on Obama. I for one and someone who has followed Obama since 2004, I studied his speeches and know his issues fairly well. Like for instance controlling the internet. Actually companies want to do that. Companies like Comcast (who I have) and others want to take off some sights, then charge extra to get the real news and information. Obama, who's support steams from the internet, is against this, as he has spoken against reducing what we see on the net. He also has stated he wants to use government money to get broadband out to more areas across the nation, which I think should have been on this stimulus, so that people in smaller communities can get more news. That would be the New World Orders nightmare, more people with more information. Also, Obama as a Democrat, is against guns. As a Mexican American, I can see the need for gun control. In Mexico, the war between the government and the cartels is very deadly. One reason why is because the average citizen is not allowed to have a gun, but the cartels are getting their guns from the US. 90% of all guns are from the US. I think that we should have laws in border states that will find a way to limit the guns that find themselves in cartels hands.
There are many problems in the world today. It's not as black and white as we see it.
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i saw it and liked seeing a different view of what i usually see in the news. i cant say i take everything they say 100% true, but def something to at least be aware of as a possibility.
I mean The Daily Show has even called out Obama for the whole "im getting the troops out" thing.
Obama said that hes taking the troops out, and then bringing in more troops but with different titles. So nothing has yet changed.
Im def nervous about my 2nd Amendment Right, but i'll be dammed if i lose my gun cuz over this BS.
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I've seen this, checked it twice, and I have to say this.
Most of the stuff here is common knowledge, from the Fairness Doctrine to the environmental issues. Now with each issue, there are two sides, and there are two opinions. What this documentary is, is almost like Lou Dobbs on steroids, which I guess the Ron Paul movement. To me, we are in a globalized world. We are in a situation right now were our enemies are not government, they are not government ideals, but in fact drug cartels that run the Mexican government in many levels,
The most powerful cartels are run within government itself, except you chose to ignore the CIA's clear involvement in this, so it's less us against them and more a case of the big cartels against the smaller cartels, which is leading to a war zone. It is not about stopping the drugs from coming in as you well know.
terrorist orgs that have highly religious ideals that force people to do dumb shit, like bomb abortion clinics or Jewish temples
Terror organisations are funded by western governments, that's not an opinion that's just a fact, the bombing of abortion clinics is an interesting point, that's domestic terrorism and often real terrorism is ignored but the staged, or provocateur events are milked for all they are worth. However the biggest icing on the cake for recruiting people into extremism is the very wars and crimes being perpetrated against them. September 11 was the catalyst for the war on terror and naturally has led to more hatred towards the west.
. THe world is different, and each issue put on here is seen different by different people with different ideals. Fairness Doctrine was introduced by Democrats who saw 2 cable news networks (Fox and MSNBC) over ran by conservatives and saw their pet Air America get stomped by the established conservative talk radio giants like Hannity and Rush.
You can dress this up in any way you like, you either have freedom of speech or censor speech and as those in congress have sworn to uphold freedom of speech...well I hope for liberals and conservatives it's not passed.
As someone who grew up in California, I saw pollution, I saw days when you could not see down the block because the smog was so thick that all you saw was grey nasty air. I have seen the air causing global warning, and being next to Los Angeles all my life, I can not see how people cannot see the pollution in the air that we breath.
To be clear about this, you saw sulphur, mercury and lots of other poisonous chemicals being released but that doesn't equate to global warming, they attribute that to carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide did not cause that nasty grey air, of course there is pollution in the air we breath, there is pollution in the food you eat, the water you drink. However again, that has nothing to do with carbon dioxide, that's a seperate issue but of course when you read into this you realise it's not simply a straight forward issue of the earth heating.
http://www.petitionproject.org/
31,000 scientists are contesting the "official line" of global warming and indeed, (you can look this up) the earth is experiencing cooling at the moment, initially they said this would last a decade, now they are expressing the possibility that it will last longer.
My home valley leads the nation in pollution and lung cancer, if it's not about global warming, then it's about health and the well being of people who live in urban areas were the air is the dirtiest.
I don't disagree with that but it's not CO2 which is causing the lung cancers, of course there should be stricter controls on the pollutants which do damage health.
Now as for Obama being in the New World Order. Facts are facts, and one thing I realized going into this year was that Obama had the support of the banks. They have worked hard to get into Team Obama starting in 2006.
Yes, essentially it seemed like Hilary Clinton was the annointed one but as public opinion ultimately went against her, the ruling elite scrambled to get as many of the old guard, into his administration, including of course hilary clinton. Which underlines the central reason why real change can't occur because the management positions are the bad lot.
Now the banks are benefiting with him in office.
This isn't about Obama, they would have benefited with McCain in also but this isn't a typical swindle, god knows just how bad this will fuck up everything.
Now the rest of what we think of the New World Order, like military and what not are actually not supporters of Obama. He may be there to escalate the war in Afghanistan, but in a world were we believe a man in a cave half way around the world knock over our two towers, he has to do that.
Again this seems to be a contradiction on your part, I respect what you are saying but everyday we are told about Al Queda, this, Al Queda that, terrorism terrorism, terrorism, which of course has been possible through September 11.
Now his liberal base is starting to have second thoughts on this, as many supported him to begin with on this issue, are now saying we should just get out no matter what.
Yes and I agree but....
I believe if we capture Bin Laden, I truly believe we can get some answers.
You make the assumption that Bin Laden is alive, it's documented that has kidney failure, he is an old weary old man and it's extremely likely he has died or been killed don't you think? Again this is a bit of a contradiction, you accept that September 11 required a co-ordinated inside effort in order to ensure it's successful implementation but then you said we will get answers when we capture him but surely it's been designed so he won't be caught.
I think he'd sell out Bush and the rest of the American power back in 2001.
Do you mean Obama? the "rest of the american power" is not confined within the ranks of the republicans, so again I don't really see how this follows. In other words, if you look at the economic collapse right now, it was engineered by the federal reserve and by Bil Clinton via the abolishment of the glass steagalz act and the ridiculously low level interest rates. Yet despite this, the liberal media, were embracing this man and everyone was lourding over Alan Greenspan like he was a genius.
He has already order getting 12,000 troops in Iraq, and ran saying he was not getting people out right away. He ran on that back in 2007, so to say he ran on anything else is misleading in this Documentary.
However they have been taken to Afghanistan which is only going to intensify the war there and of course you must have realised that opium production increasing ten fold is no coincidence.
There are many other things that are highly misleading in here, it's not all facts, like only giving congress 1 hour to vote on the stimulus, it was actually one day, but some wanted more time.
My understanding of this was there were several revisions of this and only 1 hour was given to look over the final bill. However as you agreed this was a joke in itself because the congress men and women do not even read these bills themselves.
Members of his own party voted against because of this. This Documentary, well full of facts, also threw in misleading "information" to push their agenda one way or another on Obama.
I haven't watched the documentary yet but I appreciate that you acknowledged that there were lots of facts unlike some insane salivating so called conservative supporters.
I for one and someone who has followed Obama since 2004, I studied his speeches and know his issues fairly well. Like for instance controlling the internet.
Actually companies want to do that. Companies like Comcast (who I have) and others want to take off some sights, then charge extra to get the real news and information.
Indeed they do, but ultimately Congress can stop them, do you remember they tried to get rid of net neutrality?
Obama, who's support steams from the internet, is against this, as he has spoken against reducing what we see on the net. He also has stated he wants to use government money to get broadband out to more areas across the nation, which I think should have been on this stimulus, so that people in smaller communities can get more news.
Indeed but this plan has been formulated around the implementation of the internet 2 which goes against everything which the present incarnation of the internet stands for.
That would be the New World Orders nightmare, more people with more information.
No doubt
Also, Obama as a Democrat, is against guns. As a Mexican American, I can see the need for gun control. In Mexico, the war between the government and the cartels is very deadly.
Most of the weapons the cartels have got their hands on are certainly not from a typical gun store come on man, you know this!
One reason why is because the average citizen is not allowed to have a gun, but the cartels are getting their guns from the US.
Correctamundo, but most of the weapons are military weapons, those cartel fellas have serious weaponry, it don't come cheap ;)
90% of all guns are from the US. I think that we should have laws in border states that will find a way to limit the guns that find themselves in cartels hands.
See above
There are many problems in the world today. It's not as black and white as we see it.
Aint that the truth
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A lot of the information is good from Alex Jones but the way he presents it sometimes does a disservice to people who know whats going on because he brings alot of ridicule for his over the top rants.
yeah he just needs to make it not so "OMG APACOLYPSE IS COMING" like lol
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There are many problems in the world today. It's not as black and white as we see it.
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M Dogg, Osama will never get caught, he was a scapegoat.
he was given tours of the white house under a fake alias, Tim Osman
he's not really in the caves, it's a joke. they literally got people wasting their times looking for someone who's in another part of the globe.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA
just watch this you guys
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA
just watch this you guys
thanks 4 the link. I'm checking it out.
as for THE OBAMA DECEPTION: I've seen it twice now and I enjoyed & learned a lot from it.
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http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+obama+deception&hl=en&emb=0&aq=2&oq=the+obama#q=the+obama+deception&hl=en&emb=0&aq=2&oq=the+obama&start=20
too one sided
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he's not really in the caves, it's a joke. they literally got people wasting their times looking for someone who's in another part of the globe.
+1
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wow ^