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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: macknlatin36 on July 21, 2006, 09:44:43 PM
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alright here it is
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i just wanna know what people thought in comparing the only 2 albums put out by Biggie. If you could also please state why you chose a certain album over the other. For example use factors like the flow, rhyme concepts, what you felt he was feeling while making both albums, etc.
would really like to know how you guys really feel about them and then ill drop my thoughts later
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I don't think this deserves to be a question...
"Ready To Die" >> "Life After Death"
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I don't think this deserves to be a question...
"Ready To Die" >> "Life After Death"
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Clearly Ready To Die. The album was more cohensive and the rugged beats suited his flow better. Life After Death was a little all over the place in styles, had some embarassingly jiggy songs on it and didn't fit together nearly as well as Ready to Die did.
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I never liked "Ready To Die" so I'm goin with "Life After Death".
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ready to die 8)
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Life After Death for me. Cant really explain why. I love both albums but I bump Life After Death a lil bit more.
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Ready to die easily, life after death is not a classic imo.
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ready 2 dizzle. 8)
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Both are classics, but it's easily "Ready to Die" for me. I like "Life After Death" a lot, too, but the grittier sound and cohesive feel of "Ready to Die" are more of the kind of music I like. "Life After Death" does contain some of my all-time favorite Biggie songs, tho...like "Kick In The Door" and "I Love The Dough".
Ready to die easily, life after death is not a classic imo.
It isn't? It only sold Diamond (one of very few rap albums to do that), contains several of Biggie's biggest hits ("Mo Money Mo Problems" and "Hypnotize", both of which are still getting rotation to this day) and confirmed Bad Boy's (and the East Coast's) rise to power in the late-90s. Of course "Life After Death" is a classic...an album can't have that kind of impact on hip-hop and NOT be considered a classic.
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Both are classics, but it's easily "Ready to Die" for me. I like "Life After Death" a lot, too, but the grittier sound and cohesive feel of "Ready to Die" are more of the kind of music I like. "Life After Death" does contain some of my all-time favorite Biggie songs, tho...like "Kick In The Door" and "I Love The Dough".
Ready to die easily, life after death is not a classic imo.
It isn't? It only sold Diamond (one of very few rap albums to do that), contains several of Biggie's biggest hits ("Mo Money Mo Problems" and "Hypnotize", both of which are still getting rotation to this day) and confirmed Bad Boy's (and the East Coast's) rise to power in the late-90s. Of course "Life After Death" is a classic...an album can't have that kind of impact on hip-hop and NOT be considered a classic.
According to your definition, MC Hammer has put out a classic album...
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I don't think this deserves to be a question...
"Ready To Die" >> "Life After Death"
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According to your definition, MC Hammer has put out a classic album...
Hammer was important to hip-hop history. It was his popularity that broke down the doors for greater acceptance of hip-hop in the mainstream.
On the other hand, his music is only "classic" in the sense that it's basically an amusing footnote in hip-hop history. Biggie's music, on the other hand, is still respected and loved to this day. In other words, "U Can't Touch This" hasn't aged as gracefully as "Hypnotize"...that is the difference, son.
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According to your definition, MC Hammer has put out a classic album...
Hammer was important to hip-hop history. It was his popularity that broke down the doors for greater acceptance of hip-hop in the mainstream.
On the other hand, his music is only "classic" in the sense that it's basically an amusing footnote in hip-hop history. Biggie's music, on the other hand, is still respected and loved to this day. In other words, "U Can't Touch This" hasn't aged as gracefully as "Hypnotize"...that is the difference, son.
You said nothing of how it "aged", all you said was...
an album can't have that kind of impact on hip-hop and NOT be considered a classic.
...son.
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According to your definition, MC Hammer has put out a classic album...
Hammer was important to hip-hop history. It was his popularity that broke down the doors for greater acceptance of hip-hop in the mainstream.
On the other hand, his music is only "classic" in the sense that it's basically an amusing footnote in hip-hop history. Biggie's music, on the other hand, is still respected and loved to this day. In other words, "U Can't Touch This" hasn't aged as gracefully as "Hypnotize"...that is the difference, son.
You said nothing of how it "aged", all you said was...
an album can't have that kind of impact on hip-hop and NOT be considered a classic.
...son.
And I still stand by that statement. Generally speaking, "classic" status is determined by the effect that an album has on the genre. It's just that "Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em" is a classic for nostalgia reasons only, while "Life After Death" is a classic because it contains some of the greatest hip-hop music ever recorded.
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According to your definition, MC Hammer has put out a classic album...
Hammer was important to hip-hop history. It was his popularity that broke down the doors for greater acceptance of hip-hop in the mainstream.
On the other hand, his music is only "classic" in the sense that it's basically an amusing footnote in hip-hop history. Biggie's music, on the other hand, is still respected and loved to this day. In other words, "U Can't Touch This" hasn't aged as gracefully as "Hypnotize"...that is the difference, son.
You said nothing of how it "aged", all you said was...
an album can't have that kind of impact on hip-hop and NOT be considered a classic.
...son.
And I still stand by that statement. Generally speaking, "classic" status is determined by the effect that an album has on the genre. It's just that "Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em" is a classic for nostalgia reasons only, while "Life After Death" is a classic because it contains some of the greatest hip-hop music ever recorded.
Okay, well I disagree...I think a classic is defined by the quality of the music first and foremost. Impact is a small portion of why albums are classics...Hell, I consider Tech N9ne's "Calm Before The Storm" a classic, and it probably had a lot less impact on hip-hop than his more popular albums, which I DON'T consider classic...
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Okay, well I disagree...I think a classic is defined by the quality of the music first and foremost. Impact is a small portion of why albums are classics...Hell, I consider Tech N9ne's "Calm Before The Storm" a classic, and it probably had a lot less impact on hip-hop than his more popular albums, which I DON'T consider classic...
Ah, but see, that's where you are mistaken. The impact that an artist/album/song has upon hip-hop is EXTREMELY important when determining "classic" status. An album doesn't get classic status simply because it's quality or because you like it...this is a debate I've often had with people who argue that "Dogg Food" is a classic. Objectively speaking, what impact has Tech N9ne had on hip-hop? I respect dude's style, but he hasn't changed hip-hop in a significant way with any of his albums.
So no, quality of music is actually LESS important. I realize that must horrify the hip-hop purists who hate cats like Hammer and 50, but the fact is that an album gotta change the game (either for better or worse) to get that distinction.
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Okay, well I disagree...I think a classic is defined by the quality of the music first and foremost. Impact is a small portion of why albums are classics...Hell, I consider Tech N9ne's "Calm Before The Storm" a classic, and it probably had a lot less impact on hip-hop than his more popular albums, which I DON'T consider classic...
Ah, but see, that's where you are mistaken. The impact that an artist/album/song has upon hip-hop is EXTREMELY important when determining "classic" status. An album doesn't get classic status simply because it's quality or because you like it...this is a debate I've often had with people who argue that "Dogg Food" is a classic. Objectively speaking, what impact has Tech N9ne had on hip-hop? I respect dude's style, but he hasn't changed hip-hop in a significant way with any of his albums.
So no, quality of music is actually LESS important. I realize that must horrify the hip-hop purists who hate cats like Hammer and 50, but the fact is that an album gotta change the game (either for better or worse) to get that distinction.
Yes, I don't think I'm mistaking at all, you simply don't believe quality is the biggest attribute to considering something a classic, while that's the first thing that I believe must be considered when determining somethings stature...PeACe
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Okay, well I disagree...I think a classic is defined by the quality of the music first and foremost. Impact is a small portion of why albums are classics...Hell, I consider Tech N9ne's "Calm Before The Storm" a classic, and it probably had a lot less impact on hip-hop than his more popular albums, which I DON'T consider classic...
Ah, but see, that's where you are mistaken. The impact that an artist/album/song has upon hip-hop is EXTREMELY important when determining "classic" status. An album doesn't get classic status simply because it's quality or because you like it...this is a debate I've often had with people who argue that "Dogg Food" is a classic. Objectively speaking, what impact has Tech N9ne had on hip-hop? I respect dude's style, but he hasn't changed hip-hop in a significant way with any of his albums.
So no, quality of music is actually LESS important. I realize that must horrify the hip-hop purists who hate cats like Hammer and 50, but the fact is that an album gotta change the game (either for better or worse) to get that distinction.
Going by that theory though, both of Biggie's albums can't be classics, because I don't believe they both changed the game, only Ready to Die did that. You also have to bring quality into the issue as well, as for me Life After Death is probably a 8/10 album at best, so whatever its so called impact can't be described as a classic.
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Hammers 1st,and 2nd lps where classic..was not a big fan back then,but I could not front on the nigga.had some of my best dice games on "turn this mutha out."
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Yes, I don't think I'm mistaking at all, you simply don't believe quality is the biggest attribute to considering something a classic, while that's the first thing that I believe must be considered when determining somethings stature...PeACe
I know, but you are wrong and I am right. History has proven me correct time and again. You can say all you want about Tech N9ne's albums, but really, who's going to remember any of dude's albums 15 years from now? In comparison, "Hypnotize" is forever going to be a popular party joint.
However, don't get it twisted...generally speaking, if an album changes the game, it does so because it's a quality album. Cats like Hammer are the exceptions; many of hip-hop's most important albums are also its best ("Paid In Full", "Straight Outta Compton", "The Chronic", "Ready To Die", etc.)
Going by that theory though, both of Biggie's albums can't be classics, because I don't believe they both changed the game, only Ready to Die did that. You also have to bring quality into the issue as well, as for me Life After Death is probably a 8/10 album at best, so whatever its so called impact can't be described as a classic.
You are also wrong.
I have explained already - "Life After Death" did indeed change the game. It was pretty much that album which confirmed that the East Coast had displaced the West Coast once again, and it put Bad Boy on top as a hip-hop empire. And as I have said, it produced two hits which are still in heavy rotation today - "Hypnotize" and "Mo Money Mo Problems". That is certainly "changing the game".
As far as quality goes, it is often less important than you seem to believe. Many critics thought "Doggystyle" was only an excellent album when it came out, but over a decade later, we now consider it a classic. It's all about how time treats an album. As far as YOUR opinion goes, that is just that - your opinion. But as I have said, history does not lie - "Life After Death" is pretty much guaranteed an immortal place in hip-hop history whether you like it or not. That is what makes it a "classic".
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Ready To Die coz it didn´t have as much filler as Life After Death. and LAD didn´t really sell diamond, it sold 5 million units but it´s certified diamond(just like Outkast last album)coz a double album counts as 2 when RIAA does their certifications.
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Ready To Die 8)
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Yes, I don't think I'm mistaking at all, you simply don't believe quality is the biggest attribute to considering something a classic, while that's the first thing that I believe must be considered when determining somethings stature...PeACe
I know, but you are wrong and I am right. History has proven me correct time and again. You can say all you want about Tech N9ne's albums, but really, who's going to remember any of dude's albums 15 years from now? In comparison, "Hypnotize" is forever going to be a popular party joint.
However, don't get it twisted...generally speaking, if an album changes the game, it does so because it's a quality album. Cats like Hammer are the exceptions; many of hip-hop's most important albums are also its best ("Paid In Full", "Straight Outta Compton", "The Chronic", "Ready To Die", etc.)
Going by that theory though, both of Biggie's albums can't be classics, because I don't believe they both changed the game, only Ready to Die did that. You also have to bring quality into the issue as well, as for me Life After Death is probably a 8/10 album at best, so whatever its so called impact can't be described as a classic.
You are also wrong.
I have explained already - "Life After Death" did indeed change the game. It was pretty much that album which confirmed that the East Coast had displaced the West Coast once again, and it put Bad Boy on top as a hip-hop empire. And as I have said, it produced two hits which are still in heavy rotation today - "Hypnotize" and "Mo Money Mo Problems". That is certainly "changing the game".
As far as quality goes, it is often less important than you seem to believe. Many critics thought "Doggystyle" was only an excellent album when it came out, but over a decade later, we now consider it a classic. It's all about how time treats an album. As far as YOUR opinion goes, that is just that - your opinion. But as I have said, history does not lie - "Life After Death" is pretty much guaranteed an immortal place in hip-hop history whether you like it or not. That is what makes it a "classic".
Classic - One that is of the highest rank or class
If anyone is wrong, it's you...My definition of classic is definitely the more accepted one. By your definition, "Scary Movie" is a classic film. "Baby One More Time" is a classic song. The crip-walk is a classic dance...Sccit Tha Shit is all about quality, and that's how it should be... 8)
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Yes, I don't think I'm mistaking at all, you simply don't believe quality is the biggest attribute to considering something a classic, while that's the first thing that I believe must be considered when determining somethings stature...PeACe
I know, but you are wrong and I am right. History has proven me correct time and again. You can say all you want about Tech N9ne's albums, but really, who's going to remember any of dude's albums 15 years from now? In comparison, "Hypnotize" is forever going to be a popular party joint.
However, don't get it twisted...generally speaking, if an album changes the game, it does so because it's a quality album. Cats like Hammer are the exceptions; many of hip-hop's most important albums are also its best ("Paid In Full", "Straight Outta Compton", "The Chronic", "Ready To Die", etc.)
Going by that theory though, both of Biggie's albums can't be classics, because I don't believe they both changed the game, only Ready to Die did that. You also have to bring quality into the issue as well, as for me Life After Death is probably a 8/10 album at best, so whatever its so called impact can't be described as a classic.
You are also wrong.
I have explained already - "Life After Death" did indeed change the game. It was pretty much that album which confirmed that the East Coast had displaced the West Coast once again, and it put Bad Boy on top as a hip-hop empire. And as I have said, it produced two hits which are still in heavy rotation today - "Hypnotize" and "Mo Money Mo Problems". That is certainly "changing the game".
As far as quality goes, it is often less important than you seem to believe. Many critics thought "Doggystyle" was only an excellent album when it came out, but over a decade later, we now consider it a classic. It's all about how time treats an album. As far as YOUR opinion goes, that is just that - your opinion. But as I have said, history does not lie - "Life After Death" is pretty much guaranteed an immortal place in hip-hop history whether you like it or not. That is what makes it a "classic".
Classic - One that is of the highest rank or class
If anyone is wrong, it's you...My definition of classic is definitely the more accepted one. By your definition, "Scary Movie" is a classic film. "Baby One More Time" is a classic song. The crip-walk is a classic dance...Sccit Tha Shit is all about quality, and that's how it should be... 8)
wasent this a biggie thread.
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Yes, I don't think I'm mistaking at all, you simply don't believe quality is the biggest attribute to considering something a classic, while that's the first thing that I believe must be considered when determining somethings stature...PeACe
I know, but you are wrong and I am right. History has proven me correct time and again. You can say all you want about Tech N9ne's albums, but really, who's going to remember any of dude's albums 15 years from now? In comparison, "Hypnotize" is forever going to be a popular party joint.
However, don't get it twisted...generally speaking, if an album changes the game, it does so because it's a quality album. Cats like Hammer are the exceptions; many of hip-hop's most important albums are also its best ("Paid In Full", "Straight Outta Compton", "The Chronic", "Ready To Die", etc.)
Going by that theory though, both of Biggie's albums can't be classics, because I don't believe they both changed the game, only Ready to Die did that. You also have to bring quality into the issue as well, as for me Life After Death is probably a 8/10 album at best, so whatever its so called impact can't be described as a classic.
You are also wrong.
I have explained already - "Life After Death" did indeed change the game. It was pretty much that album which confirmed that the East Coast had displaced the West Coast once again, and it put Bad Boy on top as a hip-hop empire. And as I have said, it produced two hits which are still in heavy rotation today - "Hypnotize" and "Mo Money Mo Problems". That is certainly "changing the game".
As far as quality goes, it is often less important than you seem to believe. Many critics thought "Doggystyle" was only an excellent album when it came out, but over a decade later, we now consider it a classic. It's all about how time treats an album. As far as YOUR opinion goes, that is just that - your opinion. But as I have said, history does not lie - "Life After Death" is pretty much guaranteed an immortal place in hip-hop history whether you like it or not. That is what makes it a "classic".
Classic - One that is of the highest rank or class
If anyone is wrong, it's you...My definition of classic is definitely the more accepted one. By your definition, "Scary Movie" is a classic film. "Baby One More Time" is a classic song. The crip-walk is a classic dance...Sccit Tha Shit is all about quality, and that's how it should be... 8)
wasent this a biggie thread.
...as well as a debate over what is considered classic...This is a message board, genius. Get used to it.
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Classic - One that is of the highest rank or class
If anyone is wrong, it's you...My definition of classic is definitely the more accepted one. By your definition, "Scary Movie" is a classic film. "Baby One More Time" is a classic song. The crip-walk is a classic dance...Sccit Tha Shit is all about quality, and that's how it should be... 8)
Your definition of "classic" is definitely not the most accepted except amongst fans of certain artists who want to believe their favorite rapper is better known than he really is. If it were, then Tech N9ne's albums would be considered "classics" by you, when they're obviously not. When millions of people disagree with you, it's usually a safe assumption that you're out of touch with what's remembered and what's not. And millions of people still bump "Hypnotize" and "Mo Money Mo Problems" today.
And yes, "Baby One More Time" is arguably a classic - though probably for the same reasons as Hammer's "U Can't Touch This".
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Ready to Die for me. Biggie was spittin insane over those beats, its a more consistent album. It had a darker feel, which is how I liked BIG the most. But even when he was doing the jiggy shit on LAD, he still could pull it off. There were mos def incredible songs on LAD, but there were ass loads of features on it.
Ready to Die has gotten more spins than LAD over the years from me.
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Classic - One that is of the highest rank or class
If anyone is wrong, it's you...My definition of classic is definitely the more accepted one. By your definition, "Scary Movie" is a classic film. "Baby One More Time" is a classic song. The crip-walk is a classic dance...Sccit Tha Shit is all about quality, and that's how it should be... 8)
Your definition of "classic" is definitely not the most accepted except amongst fans of certain artists who want to believe their favorite rapper is better known than he really is. If it were, then Tech N9ne's albums would be considered "classics" by you, when they're obviously not. When millions of people disagree with you, it's usually a safe assumption that you're out of touch with what's remembered and what's not. And millions of people still bump "Hypnotize" and "Mo Money Mo Problems" today.
And yes, "Baby One More Time" is arguably a classic - though probably for the same reasons as Hammer's "U Can't Touch This".
My definition is from dictionary.com...You lose. 8)
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Classic - One that is of the highest rank or class
If anyone is wrong, it's you...My definition of classic is definitely the more accepted one. By your definition, "Scary Movie" is a classic film. "Baby One More Time" is a classic song. The crip-walk is a classic dance...Sccit Tha Shit is all about quality, and that's how it should be... 8)
Your definition of "classic" is definitely not the most accepted except amongst fans of certain artists who want to believe their favorite rapper is better known than he really is. If it were, then Tech N9ne's albums would be considered "classics" by you, when they're obviously not. When millions of people disagree with you, it's usually a safe assumption that you're out of touch with what's remembered and what's not. And millions of people still bump "Hypnotize" and "Mo Money Mo Problems" today.
And yes, "Baby One More Time" is arguably a classic - though probably for the same reasons as Hammer's "U Can't Touch This".
My definition is from dictionary.com...You lose. 8)
yup i agree with u about the classic thing .... "baby one more time" a classic LOL....and this guy is "never" wrong ::)
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My definition is from dictionary.com...You lose. 8)
LOL, this is typical of attention-deficit youngstas these days. First thing we do is go to dictionary.com and take the first definition we see? I don't suppose it occurred to you that the definition you selected is the WRONG one? You even picked an adjective when "classic" as we're using it is obviously a noun.
THIS is the one you should have picked, and as you can tell, it supports MY argument:
An artist, author, or work generally considered to be of the highest rank or excellence, especially one of enduring significance.
It also has:
A work recognized as definitive in its field.
Oops...I just ethered you using your own method. Now YOU lost, son. Apologize to the GOD now that I have proven you wrong.
yup i agree with u about the classic thing .... "baby one more time" a classic LOL....and this guy is "never" wrong ::)
Except that I just owned this kid, proving you wrong.
The GOD is never wrong. That is how I got to be a GOD in the first place.
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Ready To Die
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My definition is from dictionary.com...You lose. 8)
LOL, this is typical of attention-deficit youngstas these days. First thing we do is go to dictionary.com and take the first definition we see? I don't suppose it occurred to you that the definition you selected is the WRONG one? You even picked an adjective when "classic" as we're using it is obviously a noun.
THIS is the one you should have picked, and as you can tell, it supports MY argument:
An artist, author, or work generally considered to be of the highest rank or excellence, especially one of enduring significance.
It also has:
A work recognized as definitive in its field.
Oops...I just ethered you using your own method. Now YOU lost, son. Apologize to the GOD now that I have proven you wrong.
yup i agree with u about the classic thing .... "baby one more time" a classic LOL....and this guy is "never" wrong ::)
Except that I just owned this kid, proving you wrong.
The GOD is never wrong. That is how I got to be a GOD in the first place.
I'm sorry but you really do need to get off your own dick for a second
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My definition is from dictionary.com...You lose. 8)
LOL, this is typical of attention-deficit youngstas these days. First thing we do is go to dictionary.com and take the first definition we see? I don't suppose it occurred to you that the definition you selected is the WRONG one? You even picked an adjective when "classic" as we're using it is obviously a noun.
THIS is the one you should have picked, and as you can tell, it supports MY argument:
An artist, author, or work generally considered to be of the highest rank or excellence, especially one of enduring significance.
It also has:
A work recognized as definitive in its field.
Oops...I just ethered you using your own method. Now YOU lost, son. Apologize to the GOD now that I have proven you wrong.
yup i agree with u about the classic thing .... "baby one more time" a classic LOL....and this guy is "never" wrong ::)
Except that I just owned this kid, proving you wrong.
The GOD is never wrong. That is how I got to be a GOD in the first place.
Seriously, you need to take that finger out your asshole, son. We ARE talking about the word classic as an adjective, genius. "Ready To Die is a classic album"...In this sentence, what is the word "classic?" A noun? I didn't think so...
And here is a definition YOU gave for classic. "work recognized as definitive in its field."...And what defines "definitive"? "Definitive - Authoritative and complete: a definitive biography."...So according to your definition, "Life After Death" is NOT a classic, seeing as it has a lot of fillers. A complete album is a quality album...If I just sonned a God, what does that make me? 8)
PS...For the record, I do think "Life After Death" is a classic.
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My definition is from dictionary.com...You lose. 8)
LOL, this is typical of attention-deficit youngstas these days. First thing we do is go to dictionary.com and take the first definition we see? I don't suppose it occurred to you that the definition you selected is the WRONG one? You even picked an adjective when "classic" as we're using it is obviously a noun.
THIS is the one you should have picked, and as you can tell, it supports MY argument:
An artist, author, or work generally considered to be of the highest rank or excellence, especially one of enduring significance.
It also has:
A work recognized as definitive in its field.
Oops...I just ethered you using your own method. Now YOU lost, son. Apologize to the GOD now that I have proven you wrong.
yup i agree with u about the classic thing .... "baby one more time" a classic LOL....and this guy is "never" wrong ::)
Except that I just owned this kid, proving you wrong.
The GOD is never wrong. That is how I got to be a GOD in the first place.
shut the fuck up!....
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life after death is more my style but ready to die is up there with the best rap albums of all time without a shadow of a doubt
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My, my, my, when are you shorties gon learn? You simply CANNOT prove me wrong. I am one of the Poor Righteous Teachers, always informed, never ignorant. If you try to talk to a GOD like that, you're always gonna get schooled.
Seriously, you need to take that finger out your asshole, son. We ARE talking about the word classic as an adjective, genius. "Ready To Die is a classic album"...In this sentence, what is the word "classic?" A noun? I didn't think so...
That can be done, yes, but we are most interested in the noun form because we are looking to figure out, "What is a classic?"
And besides, the adjective definition you picked was obviously THE WRONG ONE! So you are still wrong on that point.
And here is a definition YOU gave for classic. "work recognized as definitive in its field."...And what defines "definitive"? "Definitive - Authoritative and complete: a definitive biography."...So according to your definition, "Life After Death" is NOT a classic, seeing as it has a lot of fillers. A complete album is a quality album...If I just sonned a God, what does that make me? 8)
You did not school the GOD, you just made yourself look foolish again. You think cause you can whip out dictionary.com you're a GOD like me? Wrong, son...
You ignored the first definition I gave, which is the one that is most important when discussing art of any sort. THAT definition completely disproves your argument because it confirms what I have argued - which is that a work must be (a.) of quality and (b.) of enduring significance. The 2nd is merely an extension.
And who said "Life After Death" has filler? Most people agree it is one of the only rap double-albums which has close to NO filler whatsoever. "Wu Tang Forever" has some filler. "All Eyez On Me" has LOTS of filler. "The Art of War" is almost ALL filler. But "Life After Death" is widely regarded as the only double-album to avoid this curse. In which case, it is a quality album.
PS...For the record, I do think "Life After Death" is a classic.
Yes, but you contradicted the GOD. Nobody does that and gets away with it.
shut the fuck up!....
Aw, mad again, huh?
The GOD cannot be defeated.
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(a.) of quality and (b.) of enduring significance.
Thank you!...Like I've BEEN saying, quality, though not the only factor in deciding a classic, comes FIRST...
Now explain:
And yes, "Baby One More Time" is arguably a classic -
...You're only a God to the sonned. :-X
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PS...As for "Life After Death", it was known that Puffy wanted to trim the album down and fix up the production on some of the tracks...Any real hip-hop head will tell you "Life After Death" contains a few filler tracks. ::)
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What a stupid fuckin question.
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I don't think this deserves to be a question...
"Ready To Die" >> "Life After Death"
8) 8) 8)
I could listen to ready to die from start to end, life after death, maybe every other song if not every 3 songs.
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Thank you!...Like I've BEEN saying, quality, though not the only factor in deciding a classic, comes FIRST...
Now explain:
...You're only a God to the sonned. :-X
No, you've been using quality almost exclusively as your definition of classic, even to the point that you argue Tech N9ne's albums are "classics". My point is that an album's significance over time is ultimately its biggest factor in determining quality.
As I have said before, "Dogg Food" is certainly a quality album (by West Coast standards), but who besides West Coast fans remember it now, more than 10 years later? In comparison, "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" are still in regular rotation today, so they have this elusive thing that you don't seem to understand called "enduring significance".
God to the sonned? No, son, I am a Blackman. All Blackman = GODS. You grafted spawn will soon fall to us when we take over again.
PS...As for "Life After Death", it was known that Puffy wanted to trim the album down and fix up the production on some of the tracks...Any real hip-hop head will tell you "Life After Death" contains a few filler tracks. ::)
And? Dre has said that he is embarrassed by "Straight Outta Compton" because he threw it together in two weeks just so N.W.A. could sell it outta trunks. When an artist says something like that, it's called "being modest".
A few filler tracks? So the fuck what! 3-4 fillers across 24? Not nearly enough to detract from the finished product. If your ears can't tell you "Life After Death" is a complete, well-produced album, you ain't hearin it, son.
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No, you've been using quality almost exclusively as your definition of classic, even to the point that you argue Tech N9ne's albums are "classics". My point is that an album's significance over time is ultimately its biggest factor in determining quality.
No. You're wrong again. This is what I said:
a classic is defined by the quality of the music first and foremost.
...And if you knew anything about hip-hop and "enduring significance", you'd know what Tech N9ne has done for the Missouri hip-hop scene with his first few albums. He put so many people on and gave so many a chance, some would even argue he's the only reason Nelly is famous today...
As I have said before, "Dogg Food" is certainly a quality album (by West Coast standards), but who besides West Coast fans remember it now, more than 10 years later? In comparison, "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" are still in regular rotation today, so they have this elusive thing that you don't seem to understand called "enduring significance".
God to the sonned? No, son, I am a Blackman. All Blackman = GODS. You grafted spawn will soon fall to us when we take over again.
Sorry, the word blackman does not exist in reality...Same goes for your common sense. :-X
A few filler tracks? So the fuck what! 3-4 fillers across 24? Not nearly enough to detract from the finished product. If your ears can't tell you "Life After Death" is a complete, well-produced album, you ain't hearin it, son.
"Life After Death" is a classic, because even if there are a few fillers (which there obviously ARE), it's still an amazing album overall. Doesn't mean the quality couldn't have been better, you're just too dumb to understand that. Just like you're too dumb to understand what makes an album a classic...
P.S. "Dogg Food" is easily a classic. If "Dogg Food" isn't classic by your embarassing standards, the west coast hip-hop scene has only put out roughly 3 classic albums, which is absurd, just like the way you think...Done.
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No. You're wrong again. This is what I said:
a classic is defined by the quality of the music first and foremost.
What you said and how you have acted are two different things. You have continued to treat quality as if it's the only thing that matters. That is pretty much the only way you could make the argument that Tech N9ne or DPG have made classic albums.
...And if you knew anything about hip-hop and "enduring significance", you'd know what Tech N9ne has done for the Missouri hip-hop scene with his first few albums. He put so many people on and gave so many a chance, some would even argue he's the only reason Nelly is famous today...
What has he done, seriously? And how is he at all responsible for Nelly's success? If anyone put the state of Missouri on the map, it was definitely Nelly. If it had been Tech N9ne, more people would know who he is...but they don't, do they? Outside of Kansas City, he's a nobody. When an artist is barely known outside of their state (let alone their hometown), that usually says wonders about their popularity and their impact upon hip-hop as a whole (not just one small area).
Sorry, the word blackman does not exist in reality...Same goes for your common sense. :-X
LOL, as is typical of suburban honkys, you probably been listening to Nas or Wu Tang forever, and yet you aren't even remotely familiar with the tenets of the 5% Nation or Supreme Mathametics which they recite ad nauseum in their lyrics?
Blackman = GOD. End of story.
"Life After Death" is a classic, because even if there are a few fillers (which there obviously ARE), it's still an amazing album overall. Doesn't mean the quality couldn't have been better, you're just too dumb to understand that. Just like you're too dumb to understand what makes an album a classic...
No, I'm sure the quality could have been better. And the person who's too dumb to understand the definition of classic is YOU, grafted spawn.
P.S. "Dogg Food" is easily a classic. If "Dogg Food" isn't classic by your embarassing standards, the west coast hip-hop scene has only put out roughly 3 classic albums, which is absurd, just like the way you think...Done.
LOL, 3 classic albums, how the fuck did your amazing powers of deduction reach that highly illogical conclusion? The West Coast has put out far more than 3 classic albums, but "Dogg Food" ain't one of 'em.
How is it a classic if nobody outside of West Coast fans remembers it? Most people wouldn't even know who the fuck DPG is if Snoop didn't shout them out at every chance he gets. If "Dogg Food" were a classic, it would be better known in the mainstream. But it's not, which says that it has no enduring significance. Even if the production was as good as "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" and even if Kurupt is an ill lyricist, that album did not have a significant impact upon West Coast hip-hop or hip-hop in general...and this is reflected in the fact that it's barely remembered today.
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No. You're wrong again. This is what I said:
a classic is defined by the quality of the music first and foremost.
What you said and how you have acted are two different things. You have continued to treat quality as if it's the only thing that matters. That is pretty much the only way you could make the argument that Tech N9ne or DPG have made classic albums.
...And if you knew anything about hip-hop and "enduring significance", you'd know what Tech N9ne has done for the Missouri hip-hop scene with his first few albums. He put so many people on and gave so many a chance, some would even argue he's the only reason Nelly is famous today...
What has he done, seriously? And how is he at all responsible for Nelly's success? If anyone put the state of Missouri on the map, it was definitely Nelly. If it had been Tech N9ne, more people would know who he is...but they don't, do they? Outside of Kansas City, he's a nobody. When an artist is barely known outside of their state (let alone their hometown), that usually says wonders about their popularity and their impact upon hip-hop as a whole (not just one small area).
Sorry, the word blackman does not exist in reality...Same goes for your common sense. :-X
LOL, as is typical of suburban honkys, you probably been listening to Nas or Wu Tang forever, and yet you aren't even remotely familiar with the tenets of the 5% Nation or Supreme Mathametics which they recite ad nauseum in their lyrics?
Blackman = GOD. End of story.
"Life After Death" is a classic, because even if there are a few fillers (which there obviously ARE), it's still an amazing album overall. Doesn't mean the quality couldn't have been better, you're just too dumb to understand that. Just like you're too dumb to understand what makes an album a classic...
No, I'm sure the quality could have been better. And the person who's too dumb to understand the definition of classic is YOU, grafted spawn.
P.S. "Dogg Food" is easily a classic. If "Dogg Food" isn't classic by your embarassing standards, the west coast hip-hop scene has only put out roughly 3 classic albums, which is absurd, just like the way you think...Done.
LOL, 3 classic albums, how the fuck did your amazing powers of deduction reach that highly illogical conclusion? The West Coast has put out far more than 3 classic albums, but "Dogg Food" ain't one of 'em.
How is it a classic if nobody outside of West Coast fans remembers it? Most people wouldn't even know who the fuck DPG is if Snoop didn't shout them out at every chance he gets. If "Dogg Food" were a classic, it would be better known in the mainstream. But it's not, which says that it has no enduring significance. Even if the production was as good as "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" and even if Kurupt is an ill lyricist, that album did not have a significant impact upon West Coast hip-hop or hip-hop in general...and this is reflected in the fact that it's barely remembered today.
Do you realize that if every hip-hop artist thought like you, no rapper in the world would attempt to put out quality music?...Wait a minute, that's already the case. People like you are what's wrong with hip-hop nowadays, no lie. You obviously don't know shit about Tech N9ne, he revolutionized the whole KC rap scene, more than half of it only exists because of people he put on. So many people have tried biting his style and failed at it. LMAO@he's a nobody outside of KC. WOW! Shows how much you know, Tech N9ne gets soooo much love from the Bay to LA, he had ties with everyone, from E40, to Yukmouth, to Roger Troutman, to 2Pac...In fact, he currently lives in LA, and his music is very popular amongst LA heads...Unfortunately, you're too busy believing "Baby One More Time" is anything more than trash to realize that. How is "Dogg Food" a classic? Ummm, maybe because it was the biggest fucking Dogg Pound (<<a legendary group amonst the west coast) album ever. Maybe because it had bangin track after bangin track all the way through. Maybe because it is flawlessly produced. Maybe because Daz & Kurupt would probably be crackhead bums on the streets if it wasn't for that album. "Dogg Food" > "Life After Death"...And I know all about the bullshit ass 5%er beliefs, believeing you are superior due to race=Nazi. You have a lot of growing up to do...PeACe
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Do you realize that if every hip-hop artist thought like you, no rapper in the world would attempt to put out quality music?...Wait a minute, that's already the case. People like you are what's wrong with hip-hop nowadays, no lie.
LOL, a cracker telling ME that I'm what's wrong with hip-hop? Hip-hop started going wrong entirely because suburban kids decided it was cool to be ghetto and gangsta and whatnot, and that's what the major labels started putting out. No, no, no, son...what's wrong with hip-hop is a bunch of Eurotrash honkeys trying to shape a culture they know nothing about to fit THEIR standards and expectations.
Besides, nobody is saying quality has ZERO effect...it's just that I insist (but you deny) that if an album isn't well-remembered 10 years from the time it came out, that's a good indication it didn't change its genre significantly enough to deserve the status of "classic".
You obviously don't know shit about Tech N9ne, he revolutionized the whole KC rap scene, more than half of it only exists because of people he put on. So many people have tried biting his style and failed at it. LMAO@he's a nobody outside of KC. WOW! Shows how much you know, Tech N9ne gets soooo much love from the Bay to LA, he had ties with everyone, from E40, to Yukmouth, to Roger Troutman, to 2Pac...In fact, he currently lives in LA, and his music is very popular amongst LA heads...
Wow, revolutionized the KC rap scene...now please tell me, who gives a fuck about Kansas City outside of Kansas City niggas themselves? You must be from KC and heavily biased if you think ANYONE really gives a shit at all about you muthafuckas. I have lived in the West, the Northeast, and the Dirty South during my lifetime, and I don't know anyone but a handful of underground heads who even know who Tech N9ne is. I'm sure he has followers outside of KC, but really, how many? Let's do some counting here...how many units did his best-selling album move? And more importantly, how many of those units were outside of his home town?
Oh, and BTW, I know somebody from Boston who makes the same argument about Krumb Snatcha, but we all know how seriously that's to be taken.
Unfortunately, you're too busy believing "Baby One More Time" is anything more than trash to realize that.
I never said "Baby One More Time" wasn't trash, and I don't listen to white redneck bitches' pop shit anyways. But like it or not, that song IS going to be remembered 20 years from now, even if it's remembered as a nostalgia piece (like "U Can't Touch This" and "Ice Ice Baby" in hip-hop).
How is "Dogg Food" a classic? Ummm, maybe because it was the biggest fucking Dogg Pound (<<a legendary group amonst the west coast) album ever. Maybe because it had bangin track after bangin track all the way through. Maybe because it is flawlessly produced. Maybe because Daz & Kurupt would probably be crackhead bums on the streets if it wasn't for that album. "Dogg Food" > "Life After Death"
Key words are underlined here: "amongst the West Coast". It did sell 2x Platinum (largely because of a now-forgotten controversy), but the fact is, Kurupt and Daz remain largely unknown outside of Cali, and if it wasn't for Snoop getting behind "Cali Iz Active" and Daz's new deal with So So Def, it would have stayed that way. A lot of heads do respect Kurupt as an MC, but he has still yet to fulfill the potential he showed on "Dogg Food", anyway, and he has never held on to mainstream stardom. There is almost nobody who remembers "NY, NY" the way "Gin and Juice" is remembered.
And LOL at "Dogg Food" being better than "Life After Death". "Dogg Food" was good, but it was a paint-by-numbers G-Funk albums by and large..."Life After Death" pushed musical boundaries for the time.
...And I know all about the bullshit ass 5%er beliefs, believeing you are superior due to race=Nazi. You have a lot of growing up to do...PeACe
Wrong...Nazi = belief in fascism. I am a leftist, not a rightest, stupid white boy. And it is true that I am descended from a race of kings and queens...read Genesis 7:6.
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Do you realize that if every hip-hop artist thought like you, no rapper in the world would attempt to put out quality music?...Wait a minute, that's already the case. People like you are what's wrong with hip-hop nowadays, no lie.
LOL, a cracker telling ME that I'm what's wrong with hip-hop? Hip-hop started going wrong entirely because suburban kids decided it was cool to be ghetto and gangsta and whatnot, and that's what the major labels started putting out. No, no, no, son...what's wrong with hip-hop is a bunch of Eurotrash honkeys trying to shape a culture they know nothing about to fit THEIR standards and expectations.
Besides, nobody is saying quality has ZERO effect...it's just that I insist (but you deny) that if an album isn't well-remembered 10 years from the time it came out, that's a good indication it didn't change its genre significantly enough to deserve the status of "classic".
Nice try, moron, I'm not even white. You implied quality had zero effect by saying that "Baby One More Time" was a classic...
Wow, revolutionized the KC rap scene...now please tell me, who gives a fuck about Kansas City outside of Kansas City niggas themselves? You must be from KC and heavily biased if you think ANYONE really gives a shit at all about you muthafuckas. I have lived in the West, the Northeast, and the Dirty South during my lifetime, and I don't know anyone but a handful of underground heads who even know who Tech N9ne is. I'm sure he has followers outside of KC, but really, how many? Let's do some counting here...how many units did his best-selling album move? And more importantly, how many of those units were outside of his home town?
You're just too dumb to understand that how much an album sells doesn't mean shit..Tech N9ne might not sell millions of records, but he makes his cheese, the underground hip-hop scene is much stronger than the mainstream hip-hop scene nowadays, and by your definition, the underground hip-hop scene simply CANT put out a classic, which is simply the biggest load of bullshit ever...You sound like a record exec yourself, "give them what sells and it'll become classic"...You're more of a cracker then me, son, that is not the mind-state true heads have...In fact, hip-hop stands for everything against what you're saying...So please, do yourself a big favor, and shut the fuck up. :-X
Oh, and BTW, I know somebody from Boston who makes the same argument about Krumb Snatcha, but we all know how seriously that's to be taken.
LMFAO@the comparison of Tech N9ne and Krumb Snatcha...
I never said "Baby One More Time" wasn't trash, and I don't listen to white redneck bitches' pop shit anyways. But like it or not, that song IS going to be remembered 20 years from now, even if it's remembered as a nostalgia piece (like "U Can't Touch This" and "Ice Ice Baby" in hip-hop).
This just brings me back to your quote, "nobody is saying quality has ZERO effect"...Oh wow, not only are you a fake Black Panther, but now you're a fucking schizo too...
Key words are underlined here: "amongst the West Coast". It did sell 2x Platinum (largely because of a now-forgotten controversy), but the fact is, Kurupt and Daz remain largely unknown outside of Cali, and if it wasn't for Snoop getting behind "Cali Iz Active" and Daz's new deal with So So Def, it would have stayed that way. A lot of heads do respect Kurupt as an MC, but he has still yet to fulfill the potential he showed on "Dogg Food", anyway, and he has never held on to mainstream stardom. There is almost nobody who remembers "NY, NY" the way "Gin and Juice" is remembered.
And LOL at "Dogg Food" being better than "Life After Death". "Dogg Food" was good, but it was a paint-by-numbers G-Funk albums by and large..."Life After Death" pushed musical boundaries for the time.
Your argument: "Life After Death" was more popular. Okay, so Vin Disel is a better actor than Crispen Glover. Yao Ming is a better basketball player than Jermaine O'Neal...IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY!
Wrong...Nazi = belief in fascism. I am a leftist, not a rightest, stupid white boy. And it is true that I am descended from a race of kings and queens...read Genesis 7:6.
Once again, idiot, I am not a white boy...You probably descended from crackheads and drugdealers... :-*
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Wrong...Nazi = belief in fascism. I am a leftist, not a rightest, stupid white boy. And it is true that I am descended from a race of kings and queens...read Genesis 7:6.
Once again, idiot, I am not a white boy...You probably descended from crackheads and drugdealers... :-*
LMAO! he probably did...thats y he brags about being a "GOD"....but deep down he's hurt... :'(
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Eihtball, lol, you shouldn't spit that GOD crap outside of ToT... people who don't know you might actually take this seriously.
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Eihtball, lol, you shouldn't spit that GOD crap outside of ToT... people who don't know you might actually take this seriously.
And that's why I do it...I like seeing people react. And both of these white boys have given me excellent reactions.
LMAO! he probably did...thats y he brags about being a "GOD"....but deep down he's hurt... :'(
Not at all. I know you're hurting because I have proven your cracker views wrong.
Nice try, moron, I'm not even white. You implied quality had zero effect by saying that "Baby One More Time" was a classic...
No, I did not...that's just how YOU interpret it. I have already explained this elusive (to you) difference between music that is classic for nostalgic purposes vs. music that's remembered for being exceptionally good.
And of course you're white, or something equally sub-par to the GODS. Only a white person would have such a stupid backpacker-esque attitude towards hip-hop like you do.
You're just too dumb to understand that how much an album sells doesn't mean shit..Tech N9ne might not sell millions of records, but he makes his cheese, the underground hip-hop scene is much stronger than the mainstream hip-hop scene nowadays, and by your definition, the underground hip-hop scene simply CANT put out a classic, which is simply the biggest load of bullshit ever...You sound like a record exec yourself, "give them what sells and it'll become classic"...You're more of a cracker then me, son, that is not the mind-state true heads have...In fact, hip-hop stands for everything against what you're saying...So please, do yourself a big favor, and shut the fuck up. :-X
LOL, how much an album sells doesn't mean shit? No, son, I don't think you understand...it may be mistaken to assume that just because an album sells millions, it's dope, but it is not at all incorrect to say that if an artist is still maintaining a dedicated following and consistently selling a million records with every release, then clearly, they are exceptional. The mainstream is certainly stupid, but the thing is, the mainstream has such a short attention span that if an artist CAN manage to stay in the spotlight, it's usually a safe bet that they have found their own niche. Look at Snoop Dogg...almost 15 years and he's still putting out Platinum albums. Look at his homes, Warren G, Kurupt, and Daz...back in the mid-90s, they were selling Platinum, but now, nobody except West Coast heads buy their shit. Why? Because they are now irrelevent. Snoop, in comparison, knows how to reinvent himself when necesary to stay relevent to hip-hop. And that is why he is now a Godfather figure in the game while DPG are just riding on his coattails to stay alive.
The underground can never put out a classic? Never said that. But if an underground artist doesn't expand beyond an underground following, it's a safe bet that they probably haven't done anything exceptional. Tribe, GangStarr, Mobb Deep, Nas, Wu Tang Clan, etc. all started out as "underground" artists, but they were so good that through word-of-mouth, people learned about them and started buying their records, and before long, they worked their way up to Gold and then Platinum sales. Generally speaking, they all never really "crossed over", but they had so many underground heads buzzing that they didn't need constant MTV or BET exposure to sell lots of records.
And I don't care if Tech N9ne is making his cheese independently. The fact is, if he hasn't expanded his following significantly, then clearly, there are millions of people that don't give a fuck about him. Underground heads can easily be as stupid as mainstream heads (sometimes moreso)...they are just as divided and equally closed-minded in a lot of cases.
LMFAO@the comparison of Tech N9ne and Krumb Snatcha...
I never said that...he did. But this dude says, Krumb Snatcha is respected in Boston and has a big underground following, so according to him, Krumb Snatcha has dropped "classic" albums. How is that opinion any more or less valid than yours? To put it bluntly, it ISN'T. Underground heads are always biased towards certainly artists that they like even if those artists haven't really done anything worthy of "classic" status.
This just brings me back to your quote, "nobody is saying quality has ZERO effect"...Oh wow, not only are you a fake Black Panther, but now you're a fucking schizo too...
LOL, no, it's just that your illiterate ass can never comprehend the extremely valid points I am making.
Your argument: "Life After Death" was more popular. Okay, so Vin Disel is a better actor than Crispen Glover. Yao Ming is a better basketball player than Jermaine O'Neal...IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY!
No, my argument is not that "Life After Death" was more popular - my argument is that it is STILL more popular. Both "Life After Death" and "Dogg Food" sold millions of copies, so clearly, the mainstream was well-aware of both of them at the time they were released. But 10 years later, "Life After Death" is still remembered (and being bumped today) while "Doog Food" has been mostly forgotten. Why is this? Again, because "Dogg Food" was not an exceptional piece of music at all when it came out, while "Life After Death" was and still is.
As far as the actor argument goes, Vin Diesel has been steadily falling off the past few years. Why? Because he was a flash-in-the pan whose time is now almost up - just as Warren G and DPG were 10 years ago. That is the legitimate comparison.
Once again, idiot, I am not a white boy...You probably descended from crackheads and drugdealers... :-*
Yes, you are white, or something else that's equally bad.
I am descended from a family of kings and queens. Only a non-black would fail to appreciate that and respond the way you do.
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^^^got damn negroe...essays and essays...i aint reading that shit!
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Eihtball, lol, you shouldn't spit that GOD crap outside of ToT... people who don't know you might actually take this seriously.
And that's why I do it...I like seeing people react. And both of these white boys have given me excellent reactions.
LMAO! he probably did...thats y he brags about being a "GOD"....but deep down he's hurt... :'(
Not at all. I know you're hurting because I have proven your cracker views wrong.
Nice try, moron, I'm not even white. You implied quality had zero effect by saying that "Baby One More Time" was a classic...
No, I did not...that's just how YOU interpret it. I have already explained this elusive (to you) difference between music that is classic for nostalgic purposes vs. music that's remembered for being exceptionally good.
And of course you're white, or something equally sub-par to the GODS. Only a white person would have such a stupid backpacker-esque attitude towards hip-hop like you do.
You're just too dumb to understand that how much an album sells doesn't mean shit..Tech N9ne might not sell millions of records, but he makes his cheese, the underground hip-hop scene is much stronger than the mainstream hip-hop scene nowadays, and by your definition, the underground hip-hop scene simply CANT put out a classic, which is simply the biggest load of bullshit ever...You sound like a record exec yourself, "give them what sells and it'll become classic"...You're more of a cracker then me, son, that is not the mind-state true heads have...In fact, hip-hop stands for everything against what you're saying...So please, do yourself a big favor, and shut the fuck up. :-X
LOL, how much an album sells doesn't mean shit? No, son, I don't think you understand...it may be mistaken to assume that just because an album sells millions, it's dope, but it is not at all incorrect to say that if an artist is still maintaining a dedicated following and consistently selling a million records with every release, then clearly, they are exceptional. The mainstream is certainly stupid, but the thing is, the mainstream has such a short attention span that if an artist CAN manage to stay in the spotlight, it's usually a safe bet that they have found their own niche. Look at Snoop Dogg...almost 15 years and he's still putting out Platinum albums. Look at his homes, Warren G, Kurupt, and Daz...back in the mid-90s, they were selling Platinum, but now, nobody except West Coast heads buy their shit. Why? Because they are now irrelevent. Snoop, in comparison, knows how to reinvent himself when necesary to stay relevent to hip-hop. And that is why he is now a Godfather figure in the game while DPG are just riding on his coattails to stay alive.
The underground can never put out a classic? Never said that. But if an underground artist doesn't expand beyond an underground following, it's a safe bet that they probably haven't done anything exceptional. Tribe, GangStarr, Mobb Deep, Nas, Wu Tang Clan, etc. all started out as "underground" artists, but they were so good that through word-of-mouth, people learned about them and started buying their records, and before long, they worked their way up to Gold and then Platinum sales. Generally speaking, they all never really "crossed over", but they had so many underground heads buzzing that they didn't need constant MTV or BET exposure to sell lots of records.
And I don't care if Tech N9ne is making his cheese independently. The fact is, if he hasn't expanded his following significantly, then clearly, there are millions of people that don't give a fuck about him. Underground heads can easily be as stupid as mainstream heads (sometimes moreso)...they are just as divided and equally closed-minded in a lot of cases.
LMFAO@the comparison of Tech N9ne and Krumb Snatcha...
I never said that...he did. But this dude says, Krumb Snatcha is respected in Boston and has a big underground following, so according to him, Krumb Snatcha has dropped "classic" albums. How is that opinion any more or less valid than yours? To put it bluntly, it ISN'T. Underground heads are always biased towards certainly artists that they like even if those artists haven't really done anything worthy of "classic" status.
This just brings me back to your quote, "nobody is saying quality has ZERO effect"...Oh wow, not only are you a fake Black Panther, but now you're a fucking schizo too...
LOL, no, it's just that your illiterate ass can never comprehend the extremely valid points I am making.
Your argument: "Life After Death" was more popular. Okay, so Vin Disel is a better actor than Crispen Glover. Yao Ming is a better basketball player than Jermaine O'Neal...IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY!
No, my argument is not that "Life After Death" was more popular - my argument is that it is STILL more popular. Both "Life After Death" and "Dogg Food" sold millions of copies, so clearly, the mainstream was well-aware of both of them at the time they were released. But 10 years later, "Life After Death" is still remembered (and being bumped today) while "Doog Food" has been mostly forgotten. Why is this? Again, because "Dogg Food" was not an exceptional piece of music at all when it came out, while "Life After Death" was and still is.
As far as the actor argument goes, Vin Diesel has been steadily falling off the past few years. Why? Because he was a flash-in-the pan whose time is now almost up - just as Warren G and DPG were 10 years ago. That is the legitimate comparison.
Once again, idiot, I am not a white boy...You probably descended from crackheads and drugdealers... :-*
Yes, you are white, or something else that's equally bad.
I am descended from a family of kings and queens. Only a non-black would fail to appreciate that and respond the way you do.
You're OBVIOUSLY a fucking character, and nothing more. Now shut your trap, because you're not impressing anyone...Snoop Dogg is more popular than Warren G and Kurupt because he is a CHARACTER, not a rapper. He expanded, he kept his face in the public, he did movies, sports, television, hell, even porn! It has absolutely nothing to do with the value of his music, Snoop could record himself taking shits and it would sell...Unfortunately, you're so black that you only see shit in black...Mobb Deep, Nas, Gangstarr, all those artists you listed put out albums on MAJOR labels...Who cares where they started, some people choose to stay independant, because record companies ain't the same nowadays. You're not a hip-hop head, in fact, you don't know the first thing to hip-hop. You're just a black crackhead...Now shut the fuck up before I starve you and give you crackers...
P.S. still LMFAO@comparing Krumb Snatcha's value to Tech N9ne's... :-X
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^^^got damn negroe...essays and essays...i aint reading that shit!
I know, that's because like all kids today, you have ZERO fucking attention span. See how far that gets you in life, son.
You're OBVIOUSLY a fucking character, and nothing more. Now shut your trap, because you're not impressing anyone...
Nope, I am a GOD. The only person who needs to shut the fuck up is YOU, son. When a supreme being talks to you and says you are wrong, you accept what he says.
Snoop Dogg is more popular than Warren G and Kurupt because he is a CHARACTER, not a rapper. He expanded, he kept his face in the public, he did movies, sports, television, hell, even porn! It has absolutely nothing to do with the value of his music, Snoop could record himself taking shits and it would sell...
Bullshit. That's only been within the past few years that he made himself into a pop icon ("character" is the wrong word). 10 years ago, people were saying Snoop would be done for after "Tha Doggfather" did poorly and didn't produce any hit singles. But Snoop showed that he could keep putting out popular, quality music, and that's what he did...first on No Limit (except for "Da Game Is To Be Sold Not Told"...that was shit), then on Doggystyle Records. AFTER he had successfully re-established himself as a rapper, he began doing mouthwash commercials and Girls Gone Wild specials, because the continuing popularity of his music gave him that kind of power.
Nothing to do with the value of his music? LOL, typical of the kind of bullshit you talk. 12 years into his career, Snoop scored his biggest hit ever with "Drop It Like It's Hot". Clearly, most people still enjoy Snoop's music and would like to disagree with you. Snoop's music still sells because even if it isn't always what West Coast fans want (and they're overly-critical, anyway), it is still good music and it still crosses over successfully. He is obviously doing something right with his music that Warren G and Kurupt aren't doing, because for every 1 out of 10 fans who calls him a sellout, he still has 9 other fans who still buy his albums.
And if keeping your face public is all you have to do to remain a rap star, then why didn't Warren G and Kurupt try it? You think they really don't mind being on indie labels and selling 50,000 records (if that) per release? And Kurupt DID try acting, which didn't do shit for him.
Unfortunately, you're so black that you only see shit in black...
Or maybe you're just so white that you only see shit in white.
Mobb Deep, Nas, Gangstarr, all those artists you listed put out albums on MAJOR labels...
And they often got their deals from underground popularity. Nas got his start essentially because of ONE VERSE on "Live At The Barbeque" with Main Source. The Wu got their deal after they put out "Protect Ya Neck" as a single (independently) and it blew up across NYC. And even if those artists did put out their music on major labels, the fact is that they had little promotion even then (especially Mobb and the Wu...Loud was always terribly managed) and they never had their singles getting big exposure on MTV; they sold millions of records almost entirely through underground word-of-mouth.
Who cares where they started, some people choose to stay independant, because record companies ain't the same nowadays.
Bullshit. The only rappers who say that are the ones who are trying to convince themselves they're just too good for the average cat to listen to. ALL rappers love having money and bling and ho's, even the underground ones. There are a VERY FEW exceptions (Immortal Technique being an example), artists who can sell lots of records without a deal and make serious dough. But even the average underground rapper would LOVE to get some huge advance so that he can buy himself an Escalade and a crib out of the projects. There is almost nobody in the rap game who ain't ballin for shit they didn't have growing up, except of course for the backpackers (losers).
You're not a hip-hop head, in fact, you don't know the first thing to hip-hop. You're just a black crackhead...
LOL, and you really are? Haha...faggot.
Now shut the fuck up before I starve you and give you crackers...
Try that, cracker. The GOD will never shut up, and you can't shut him up (especially on a fucking computer...ha!)
P.S. still LMFAO@comparing Krumb Snatcha's value to Tech N9ne's... :-X
I'm not comparing those two rappers...I'm comparing two types of IDIOTS, you and this other dude. That ain't the same, get it straight, cracker.
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I don't think this deserves to be a question...
"Ready To Die" >> "Life After Death"
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^^^got damn negroe...essays and essays...i aint reading that shit!
I know, that's because like all kids today, you have ZERO fucking attention span. See how far that gets you in life, son.
You're OBVIOUSLY a fucking character, and nothing more. Now shut your trap, because you're not impressing anyone...
Nope, I am a GOD. The only person who needs to shut the fuck up is YOU, son. When a supreme being talks to you and says you are wrong, you accept what he says.
Snoop Dogg is more popular than Warren G and Kurupt because he is a CHARACTER, not a rapper. He expanded, he kept his face in the public, he did movies, sports, television, hell, even porn! It has absolutely nothing to do with the value of his music, Snoop could record himself taking shits and it would sell...
Bullshit. That's only been within the past few years that he made himself into a pop icon ("character" is the wrong word). 10 years ago, people were saying Snoop would be done for after "Tha Doggfather" did poorly and didn't produce any hit singles. But Snoop showed that he could keep putting out popular, quality music, and that's what he did...first on No Limit (except for "Da Game Is To Be Sold Not Told"...that was shit), then on Doggystyle Records. AFTER he had successfully re-established himself as a rapper, he began doing mouthwash commercials and Girls Gone Wild specials, because the continuing popularity of his music gave him that kind of power.
Nothing to do with the value of his music? LOL, typical of the kind of bullshit you talk. 12 years into his career, Snoop scored his biggest hit ever with "Drop It Like It's Hot". Clearly, most people still enjoy Snoop's music and would like to disagree with you. Snoop's music still sells because even if it isn't always what West Coast fans want (and they're overly-critical, anyway), it is still good music and it still crosses over successfully. He is obviously doing something right with his music that Warren G and Kurupt aren't doing, because for every 1 out of 10 fans who calls him a sellout, he still has 9 other fans who still buy his albums.
And if keeping your face public is all you have to do to remain a rap star, then why didn't Warren G and Kurupt try it? You think they really don't mind being on indie labels and selling 50,000 records (if that) per release? And Kurupt DID try acting, which didn't do shit for him.
Unfortunately, you're so black that you only see shit in black...
Or maybe you're just so white that you only see shit in white.
Mobb Deep, Nas, Gangstarr, all those artists you listed put out albums on MAJOR labels...
And they often got their deals from underground popularity. Nas got his start essentially because of ONE VERSE on "Live At The Barbeque" with Main Source. The Wu got their deal after they put out "Protect Ya Neck" as a single (independently) and it blew up across NYC. And even if those artists did put out their music on major labels, the fact is that they had little promotion even then (especially Mobb and the Wu...Loud was always terribly managed) and they never had their singles getting big exposure on MTV; they sold millions of records almost entirely through underground word-of-mouth.
Who cares where they started, some people choose to stay independant, because record companies ain't the same nowadays.
Bullshit. The only rappers who say that are the ones who are trying to convince themselves they're just too good for the average cat to listen to. ALL rappers love having money and bling and ho's, even the underground ones. There are a VERY FEW exceptions (Immortal Technique being an example), artists who can sell lots of records without a deal and make serious dough. But even the average underground rapper would LOVE to get some huge advance so that he can buy himself an Escalade and a crib out of the projects. There is almost nobody in the rap game who ain't ballin for shit they didn't have growing up, except of course for the backpackers (losers).
You're not a hip-hop head, in fact, you don't know the first thing to hip-hop. You're just a black crackhead...
LOL, and you really are? Haha...faggot.
Now shut the fuck up before I starve you and give you crackers...
Try that, cracker. The GOD will never shut up, and you can't shut him up (especially on a fucking computer...ha!)
P.S. still LMFAO@comparing Krumb Snatcha's value to Tech N9ne's... :-X
I'm not comparing those two rappers...I'm comparing two types of IDIOTS, you and this other dude. That ain't the same, get it straight, cracker.
Chink-boy, all that shit you're typing up is useless, shut the fuck up. You didn't change my opinion, quality is the first characteristic of a classic. PERIOD. It'll never change... No matter what the fuck you say, no matter how many essays you type about being a God to try and convince me otherwise...The bottom line is that you're stupid. You talk about Wu and their 5%er beliefs, yet you don't even realize Remedy, who's Jewish, is known as a Wu-Tang Killa Bee...You talk about Mobb Deep and Wu-Tang selling independently, when their albums were to be found in every record store in every city...The game ain't the same, with downloading and bootlegging, some artists who would have sold 10 years ago won't sell today...An artist can make an album at home, and if it was good enough, it would be classic...Even if 5 people heard it, and they all thought it was brilliant, it could still be classic...Unfortunately, you think like a WHITE GIRL...For you, shit needs to be POPULAR to have classic value...Goddamn chinks always think they know shit... :-\
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^^^got damn negroe...essays and essays...i aint reading that shit!
I know, that's because like all kids today, you have ZERO fucking attention span. See how far that gets you in life, son.
You're OBVIOUSLY a fucking character, and nothing more. Now shut your trap, because you're not impressing anyone...
Nope, I am a GOD. The only person who needs to shut the fuck up is YOU, son. When a supreme being talks to you and says you are wrong, you accept what he says.
Snoop Dogg is more popular than Warren G and Kurupt because he is a CHARACTER, not a rapper. He expanded, he kept his face in the public, he did movies, sports, television, hell, even porn! It has absolutely nothing to do with the value of his music, Snoop could record himself taking shits and it would sell...
Bullshit. That's only been within the past few years that he made himself into a pop icon ("character" is the wrong word). 10 years ago, people were saying Snoop would be done for after "Tha Doggfather" did poorly and didn't produce any hit singles. But Snoop showed that he could keep putting out popular, quality music, and that's what he did...first on No Limit (except for "Da Game Is To Be Sold Not Told"...that was shit), then on Doggystyle Records. AFTER he had successfully re-established himself as a rapper, he began doing mouthwash commercials and Girls Gone Wild specials, because the continuing popularity of his music gave him that kind of power.
Nothing to do with the value of his music? LOL, typical of the kind of bullshit you talk. 12 years into his career, Snoop scored his biggest hit ever with "Drop It Like It's Hot". Clearly, most people still enjoy Snoop's music and would like to disagree with you. Snoop's music still sells because even if it isn't always what West Coast fans want (and they're overly-critical, anyway), it is still good music and it still crosses over successfully. He is obviously doing something right with his music that Warren G and Kurupt aren't doing, because for every 1 out of 10 fans who calls him a sellout, he still has 9 other fans who still buy his albums.
And if keeping your face public is all you have to do to remain a rap star, then why didn't Warren G and Kurupt try it? You think they really don't mind being on indie labels and selling 50,000 records (if that) per release? And Kurupt DID try acting, which didn't do shit for him.
Unfortunately, you're so black that you only see shit in black...
Or maybe you're just so white that you only see shit in white.
Mobb Deep, Nas, Gangstarr, all those artists you listed put out albums on MAJOR labels...
And they often got their deals from underground popularity. Nas got his start essentially because of ONE VERSE on "Live At The Barbeque" with Main Source. The Wu got their deal after they put out "Protect Ya Neck" as a single (independently) and it blew up across NYC. And even if those artists did put out their music on major labels, the fact is that they had little promotion even then (especially Mobb and the Wu...Loud was always terribly managed) and they never had their singles getting big exposure on MTV; they sold millions of records almost entirely through underground word-of-mouth.
Who cares where they started, some people choose to stay independant, because record companies ain't the same nowadays.
Bullshit. The only rappers who say that are the ones who are trying to convince themselves they're just too good for the average cat to listen to. ALL rappers love having money and bling and ho's, even the underground ones. There are a VERY FEW exceptions (Immortal Technique being an example), artists who can sell lots of records without a deal and make serious dough. But even the average underground rapper would LOVE to get some huge advance so that he can buy himself an Escalade and a crib out of the projects. There is almost nobody in the rap game who ain't ballin for shit they didn't have growing up, except of course for the backpackers (losers).
You're not a hip-hop head, in fact, you don't know the first thing to hip-hop. You're just a black crackhead...
LOL, and you really are? Haha...faggot.
Now shut the fuck up before I starve you and give you crackers...
Try that, cracker. The GOD will never shut up, and you can't shut him up (especially on a fucking computer...ha!)
P.S. still LMFAO@comparing Krumb Snatcha's value to Tech N9ne's... :-X
I'm not comparing those two rappers...I'm comparing two types of IDIOTS, you and this other dude. That ain't the same, get it straight, cracker.
thanks...but got damn negroe...essays and essays...i aint reading that shit!
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Chink-boy, all that shit you're typing up is useless, shut the fuck up.
Chink? Where the fuck did that come up from? Must be psychologic projection, so that's what I'll call your ass from now on: A chink.
And of course I won't shut the fuck up. When you gon learn that a GOD speaks his mind and is never wrong.
You didn't change my opinion, quality is the first characteristic of a classic. PERIOD. It'll never change... No matter what the fuck you say, no matter how many essays you type about being a God to try and convince me otherwise...
Convince you? Where'd you get that idea? I ain't trying to change your opinion at all, cause of course you're too stubborn to agree with me. I'm simply trying to make you look stupid (which I have already done repeatedly now) and show other people, once again, how it is that I earned my status as a GOD on DubCC in the first place.
And for the last fuckin time, I never argued quality isn't part of what defines a classic; I'm simply arguing that it's less important than YOU believe compared to this thing that dictionary.com calls "enduring significance".
The bottom line is that you're stupid. You talk about Wu and their 5%er beliefs, yet you don't even realize Remedy, who's Jewish, is known as a Wu-Tang Killa Bee...
I know who Remedy is. But you think that matters? Wu Tang albums are littered with disapproving references to the white devil, as well as Judgment Day. The fact that they make a few exceptions here and there is hardly redeeming. Pretty much all rappers that aren't backpackers do not welcome the majority of crackers into hip-hop. From the days of PE on, the white man has always been seen as hip-hop's enemy.
So you call me stupid, and yet you get mad at me for saying the same shit that your favorite rapper has probably said on record way before me.
You talk about Mobb Deep and Wu-Tang selling independently, when their albums were to be found in every record store in every city...
LOL, no, chink, that's just your illiterate ass not reading again. All I said was that Mobb Deep and the Wu were on a label that was notorious for being mis-managed and doing a terrible job of promoting its artists.
And it IS true that the reason the Wu got their record deal was because they put out "Protect Ya Neck" (which was a single, not an album) and the underground was feeling them.
Even if 5 people heard it, and they all thought it was brilliant, it could still be classic...
LOL, and this pretty much proves how stupid you are in a nutshell. So if 5 people think Dem Franchise Boyz "On Top Of Our Game" is a classic, that makes them right? I don't think so.
If an album is not embraced by the larger hip-hop community (NOT just some local scene such as Kansas City) and it is not remembered by the larger hip-hop community 10 years later, then no, it cannot legimately be considered a classic. I was listening to my own hometown's (Durham) Little Brother years before they got their record deal, and I thought they were ill. But I would have never called their first album a classic, even though I thought it was extremely dope. Now, on the other hand, they've put out "The Minstrel Show" which is getting mad acclaim from just about everybody. Will it be a classic? I dunno, but it's getting major props and recognition from cats all over the U.S. and has won a zillion awards from music publications. If it is remembered 5-10 years from now, then yes, I think it probably deserves classic status.
Unfortunately, you think like a WHITE GIRL...For you, shit needs to be POPULAR to have classic value...Goddamn chinks always think they know shit... :-\
No, you just think like a white boy, or a chink for that matter (which is clearly what you are). Fucking crackers and chinks always act like they know what's up, when they have no business trying to run Blackman's culture. We created it, and we don't need your input.
Shit doesn't have to be POPULAR to have classic value; it has to be MEMORABLE. That shows that it's unique and exceptional in some way. And generally speaking, it isn't at all inaccurate to say that if something becomes widely embraced by a lot of people and is remembered 10 years later, then that means it's earned "classic" status.
So let me break it down for you:
Bad music = Forgettable music
Quality music = Good, but not necesarily memorable
Exceptional music = Memorable and quality
So thus, it is only "exceptional" music that equals "classic" music. It's that simple.
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^^^^People not reading your posts has less to do with their attention span and more to do with not wanting to sift through your played out black panther gimmick. At least interject some comedy or something. I mean, the other retard characters on here have some redeeming values in their posts.
You're horrible at trying to be the villain, you're not funny or provactive, your shit is VANILLA. Boring as a motherfucker.
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Chink-boy, all that shit you're typing up is useless, shut the fuck up.
Chink? Where the fuck did that come up from? Must be psychologic projection, so that's what I'll call your ass from now on: A chink.
And of course I won't shut the fuck up. When you gon learn that a GOD speaks his mind and is never wrong.
You didn't change my opinion, quality is the first characteristic of a classic. PERIOD. It'll never change... No matter what the fuck you say, no matter how many essays you type about being a God to try and convince me otherwise...
Convince you? Where'd you get that idea? I ain't trying to change your opinion at all, cause of course you're too stubborn to agree with me. I'm simply trying to make you look stupid (which I have already done repeatedly now) and show other people, once again, how it is that I earned my status as a GOD on DubCC in the first place.
And for the last fuckin time, I never argued quality isn't part of what defines a classic; I'm simply arguing that it's less important than YOU believe compared to this thing that dictionary.com calls "enduring significance".
The bottom line is that you're stupid. You talk about Wu and their 5%er beliefs, yet you don't even realize Remedy, who's Jewish, is known as a Wu-Tang Killa Bee...
I know who Remedy is. But you think that matters? Wu Tang albums are littered with disapproving references to the white devil, as well as Judgment Day. The fact that they make a few exceptions here and there is hardly redeeming. Pretty much all rappers that aren't backpackers do not welcome the majority of crackers into hip-hop. From the days of PE on, the white man has always been seen as hip-hop's enemy.
So you call me stupid, and yet you get mad at me for saying the same shit that your favorite rapper has probably said on record way before me.
You talk about Mobb Deep and Wu-Tang selling independently, when their albums were to be found in every record store in every city...
LOL, no, chink, that's just your illiterate ass not reading again. All I said was that Mobb Deep and the Wu were on a label that was notorious for being mis-managed and doing a terrible job of promoting its artists.
And it IS true that the reason the Wu got their record deal was because they put out "Protect Ya Neck" (which was a single, not an album) and the underground was feeling them.
Even if 5 people heard it, and they all thought it was brilliant, it could still be classic...
LOL, and this pretty much proves how stupid you are in a nutshell. So if 5 people think Dem Franchise Boyz "On Top Of Our Game" is a classic, that makes them right? I don't think so.
If an album is not embraced by the larger hip-hop community (NOT just some local scene such as Kansas City) and it is not remembered by the larger hip-hop community 10 years later, then no, it cannot legimately be considered a classic. I was listening to my own hometown's (Durham) Little Brother years before they got their record deal, and I thought they were ill. But I would have never called their first album a classic, even though I thought it was extremely dope. Now, on the other hand, they've put out "The Minstrel Show" which is getting mad acclaim from just about everybody. Will it be a classic? I dunno, but it's getting major props and recognition from cats all over the U.S. and has won a zillion awards from music publications. If it is remembered 5-10 years from now, then yes, I think it probably deserves classic status.
Unfortunately, you think like a WHITE GIRL...For you, shit needs to be POPULAR to have classic value...Goddamn chinks always think they know shit... :-\
No, you just think like a white boy, or a chink for that matter (which is clearly what you are). Fucking crackers and chinks always act like they know what's up, when they have no business trying to run Blackman's culture. We created it, and we don't need your input.
Shit doesn't have to be POPULAR to have classic value; it has to be MEMORABLE. That shows that it's unique and exceptional in some way. And generally speaking, it isn't at all inaccurate to say that if something becomes widely embraced by a lot of people and is remembered 10 years later, then that means it's earned "classic" status.
So let me break it down for you:
Bad music = Forgettable music
Quality music = Good, but not necesarily memorable
Exceptional music = Memorable and quality
So thus, it is only "exceptional" music that equals "classic" music. It's that simple.
"Dogg Food" isn't memorable? LMAO...Wow, what an idiot...You musta been drowning in crack during the 90's. "Dogg Food" is extremely memorable to true hip-hop heads (which doesn't include you), and is KNOWN for being a HUGE part of the east-coast/west-coast rivalry...You're not funny, you bring down the quality of WCC with your posts, bitch be gone...PeACe
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^^^^People not reading your posts has less to do with their attention span and more to do with not wanting to sift through your played out black panther gimmick. At least interject some comedy or something. I mean, the other retard characters on here have some redeeming values in their posts.
You're horrible at trying to be the villain, you're not funny or provactive, your shit is VANILLA. Boring as a motherfucker.
Hold up, son. 1 cracker (singular) who says he isn't going to read my "essays" does not equal "people" (plural).
My shit isn't comedy? Most people know when to laugh and when not to. But I don't seek to amuse anyone but myself, and this chink "Now I Know" has definitely entertained me with his own stupidity as well as his reactions to my posts. Look at how angry I've made him. If my shit is so boring ("vanilla" implies it's white, and you know I hate all that is white), then why does this idiot keep on reacting?
"Dogg Food" isn't memorable? LMAO...Wow, what an idiot...You musta been drowning in crack during the 90's. "Dogg Food" is extremely memorable to true hip-hop heads (which doesn't include you), and is KNOWN for being a HUGE part of the east-coast/west-coast rivalry...You're not funny, you bring down the quality of WCC with your posts, bitch be gone...PeACe
About the only thing memorable about "Dogg Food" is the fact that it was the whole reason Interscope got kicked off their original distribution deal, as well as the "New York, New York" video's minor role in sparking beef. If "Dogg Food" is so memorable, why is it that almost nobody besides West Coast fans aren't talking about it these days? You will rarely hear it mentioned alongside "The Chronic", "Doggystyle", and "All Eyez On Me". I may listen to it still, but I also recognize that as a West Coast fan and former resident, it's more likely I'll remember DPG than anyone from outside of the West.
The only people bringing down the quality of DubCC are crackers. This whole site is a wasteland for Eurohonkey trash to act like they're black when they're not. As one of the few Blackmen on here, and as someone who grew up during hip-hop's glory days of the late-80s to early-90s, I am quite possibly one of the most knowledgeable people here. That is how I became a GOD in DubCC.
So...devil be gone. No PeACe to crackers/chinks.
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^^^^People not reading your posts has less to do with their attention span and more to do with not wanting to sift through your played out black panther gimmick. At least interject some comedy or something. I mean, the other retard characters on here have some redeeming values in their posts.
You're horrible at trying to be the villain, you're not funny or provactive, your shit is VANILLA. Boring as a motherfucker.
Hold up, son. 1 cracker (singular) who says he isn't going to read my "essays" does not equal "people" (plural).
My shit isn't comedy? Most people know when to laugh and when not to. But I don't seek to amuse anyone but myself, and this chink "Now I Know" has definitely entertained me with his own stupidity as well as his reactions to my posts. Look at how angry I've made him. If my shit is so boring ("vanilla" implies it's white, and you know I hate all that is white), then why does this idiot keep on reacting?
"Dogg Food" isn't memorable? LMAO...Wow, what an idiot...You musta been drowning in crack during the 90's. "Dogg Food" is extremely memorable to true hip-hop heads (which doesn't include you), and is KNOWN for being a HUGE part of the east-coast/west-coast rivalry...You're not funny, you bring down the quality of WCC with your posts, bitch be gone...PeACe
About the only thing memorable about "Dogg Food" is the fact that it was the whole reason Interscope got kicked off their original distribution deal, as well as the "New York, New York" video's minor role in sparking beef. If "Dogg Food" is so memorable, why is it that almost nobody besides West Coast fans aren't talking about it these days? You will rarely hear it mentioned alongside "The Chronic", "Doggystyle", and "All Eyez On Me". I may listen to it still, but I also recognize that as a West Coast fan and former resident, it's more likely I'll remember DPG than anyone from outside of the West.
The only people bringing down the quality of DubCC are crackers. This whole site is a wasteland for Eurohonkey trash to act like they're black when they're not. As one of the few Blackmen on here, and as someone who grew up during hip-hop's glory days of the late-80s to early-90s, I am quite possibly one of the most knowledgeable people here. That is how I became a GOD in DubCC.
So...devil be gone. No PeACe to crackers/chinks.
Doggfood is one of the best albums ever, ne1 that disagrees is a moron.
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You will rarely hear it ("Dogg Food") mentioned alongside "The Chronic", "Doggystyle", and "All Eyez On Me"
^^This quote defines the type of moron you are...Since you most likely grew up without a pops, you can now call me father... :-*
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Doggfood is one of the best albums ever, ne1 that disagrees is a moron.
I disagree. And anyone who disagrees with the GOD is automatically inferior to me.
^^This quote defines the type of moron you are...Since you most likely grew up without a pops, you can now call me father... :-*
Actually, I did grow up with a pops around.
Why would I call a chink/cracker my father? Blackman is the original human; crackers and chinks are just grafted spawn made by Yakub. In that respect, it is in fact ME who is your father.
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Doggfood is one of the best albums ever, ne1 that disagrees is a moron.
I disagree. And anyone who disagrees with the GOD is automatically inferior to me.
^^This quote defines the type of moron you are...Since you most likely grew up without a pops, you can now call me father... :-*
Actually, I did grow up with a pops around.
Why would I call a chink/cracker my father? Blackman is the original human; crackers and chinks are just grafted spawn made by Yakub. In that respect, it is in fact ME who is your father.
Shut the fuck up before I ship you back to Africa...
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Shut the fuck up before I ship you back to Africa...
Nope, I'm here to take over this country and make hell for the white man. You come try and do that shit, homie...me and my niggas with Kalashnikovs and RPGs are waiting.
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Shut the fuck up before I ship you back to Africa...
Nope, I'm here to take over this country and make hell for the white man. You come try and do that shit, homie...me and my niggas with Kalashnikovs and RPGs are waiting.
I love fucking black bitches. :D
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I love fucking black bitches. :D
How can you have done that when you haven't even lost your virginity yet? Skeeting on pics of Rihanna does not count.
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I love fucking black bitches. :D
How can you have done that when you haven't even lost your virginity yet? Skeeting on pics of Rihanna does not count.
Nice try, my nigga...People on this forum know me... :-*
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Nice try, my nigga...People on this forum know me... :-*
The GOD does not permit you to use the word "nigga". Only GODS may use that word, chink.
Of course you haven't lost your virginity yet.
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Nice try, my nigga...People on this forum know me... :-*
The GOD does not permit you to use the word "nigga". Only GODS may use that word, chink.
Of course you haven't lost your virginity yet.
Nigga please...Your whole existance is a lie.
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Nigga please...Your whole existance is a lie.
The GOD says that using the word nigga is not allowed for crackers and chinks. You don't qualify.
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Nigga please...Your whole existance is a lie.
The GOD says that using the word nigga is not allowed for crackers and chinks. You don't qualify.
Fa sho, nigga...
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Why does he keep refering to himself as a god? is he conceided or mentaly ill? cuz seriously its funny to me but if hes mentaly ill then thats nothing to laugh about.
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Why does he keep refering to himself as a god? is he conceided or mentaly ill? cuz seriously its funny to me but if hes mentaly ill then thats nothing to laugh about.
The Blackman is GOD. As a Five-Percenter, I now count myself amongst the GODs.
LOL...another cracker who's probably been listening to Nas or Wu Tang for a while now and doesn't know the Science.
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Why does he keep refering to himself as a god? is he conceided or mentaly ill? cuz seriously its funny to me but if hes mentaly ill then thats nothing to laugh about.
I think he got a problem with whites who are either gullible or liberal/tolerant enough to respect rappers who are blatantly racist or something.
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Why does he keep refering to himself as a god? is he conceided or mentaly ill? cuz seriously its funny to me but if hes mentaly ill then thats nothing to laugh about.
The Blackman is GOD. As a Five-Percenter, I now count myself amongst the GODs.
LOL...another cracker who's probably been listening to Nas or Wu Tang for a while now and doesn't know the Science.
Well you do that when you wanna come back to reality holla at us.
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I think he got a problem with whites who are either gullible or liberal/tolerant enough to respect rappers who are blatantly racist or something.
That implies I'm on the side of the conservative devils like CWalker. Conservatives are my worst enemy.
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Yes, you are white, or something else that's equally bad.
been a short time comin... time for this cracka ass cracka to use his whip
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Yes, you are white, or something else that's equally bad.
been a short time comin... time for this cracka ass cracka to use his whip
LMAO...That guy was really something else. Still don't know if he deserved a full banning...Funny, nonetheless.
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One hell of an interesting discussion about Biggie's legacy this is.
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Yes, you are white, or something else that's equally bad.
been a short time comin... time for this cracka ass cracka to use his whip
LMAO...That guy was really something else. He DID deserve a full banning...Funny, nonetheless.