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Title: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 03:43:22 AM
Great game, the best team in the tournament won, great for Ronaldo, memorable World Cup.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Dope Money Clean on June 30, 2002, 03:46:31 AM

I almost  shed  a tear for  Ronaldo .............  man ,  I love watchin  that guy play.       Im  glad  I got to watch   most of the games  this  WC   ..........    it  was beautiful .      8)

Props to all the teams .  
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: o g s u e s o n e on June 30, 2002, 03:51:00 AM
congrats Brazil! england played a pretty good cup, france was a big disappointment, italy was a pure joke (crybabies, candy-asses lol), spain wasnt lucky enough, .... germany the last european team standing...  

greetings from the NO.1 EUROPEAN TEAM -> GERMANY!  VICE CHAMPION!

it was a tight worldcup. cya in 2006!  
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 03:57:57 AM
Yep, it must have been really hard beating all those GIANTS of Football like Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA and S.Korea.  Draws don't come tougher than that.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: gFuNkA on June 30, 2002, 04:06:17 AM
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Yep, it must have been really hard beating all those GIANTS of Football like Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA and S.Korea.  Draws don't come tougher than that.


yes, it was hard, but in the end we won and ended up in the final. why you think camerron, usa and south korera are just little teams? havent you saw their games? you still think only the Giants like brasil, italy, germany and argentina are playing real good soccer? these times are over man....every little team can beat a giant nowadays....like korea did with italy and senegal with france.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: o g s u e s o n e on June 30, 2002, 04:28:37 AM
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Yep, it must have been really hard beating all those GIANTS of Football like Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA and S.Korea.  Draws don't come tougher than that.


lol u livin in the past homeboy. damn what a enviousness. haha!


Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 04:36:04 AM
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italy was a pure joke (crybabies, candy-asses lol)

greetings from the NO.1 EUROPEAN TEAM -> GERMANY!  VICE CHAMPION!

Bitch.. shut up! To play well against Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA and S.Korea (in a regular game) aint that hard, man. Expecially when Franz dissed your own team! Enjoy your 4th final lost and shut up.

BTW NO.1 EUROPEAN TEAM IS FRANCE. 2ND IS ITALY. World Cup is different than EUROPEAN CUP. Dont mix the 2.

Best European in the world cup? ROFL!!!
Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA, S.Korea & Brazil = ARE THOSE TEAMS FROM EUROPE? LOL.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 04:38:11 AM
lol keep kidding yourselves

All those teams you played (apart from Saudi Arabia) are good teams but none of them posess any World Class players with the ability to turn a match in one second like Zidane, Rivaldo, Ronaldo etc.  

South Korea - good team, but in a world cup semi final you need World Class individuals.  And they didn't have any.  

Don't fucking tell me you didn't have the easiest route to a final of ALL FUCKING TIME
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: gFuNkA on June 30, 2002, 04:43:26 AM
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Bitch.. shut up! To play well against Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA and S.Korea (in a regular game) aint that hard, man.


hahahahaha...and your team lost against korea...man, that was hard, right?

but its harder to win against korea, pleezbelieveit
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 04:46:41 AM
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Don't fucking tell me you didn't have the easiest route to a final of ALL FUCKING TIME

I totally agree with you. And Brazil had the second, probably. Just 1 big team, England. And England sucked in that game, even in 11 vs 10. That aint enought for this world cup to be called "memorable".

Plus personally i dont understand the system of qualifications. Why European teams has to fight with other European teams to arrive to the World Cup? While now they wanna introduce 5 teams from ASIA for the next World Cup? LOL! Japan, Korea and who? Who are 3 other decent teams of Asia? Who will they face? Unknown isles? Or what?

Why Holland, Jugoslavia, Romania and Checz have to see the WC from home while teams like China and Tunisia can play there?

ISNT THIS A COMPETITION BETWEEN THE STRONGEST TEAMS? Well... one of the top5 teams in Europe was at home (Holland). WTF?

Make global qualifications! I wanna see Italy playing with those unknown isles of Asia too! And Holland playing with China and Costa Rica too, instead that playing with Germany and England etc..

GLOBAL SOCCER? GLOBAL QUALIFICATIONS and end of the problems! The real best ones will qualify, not just the best 5-6 from all the Continents. That's absurd.

And it's the same with the refrees! You all have seen how good was that italian refree. We got at least 5-6 other refrees as good as him here in Italy. Why they have to stay at home?
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Joachim on June 30, 2002, 04:47:03 AM
Great game, a nice way to end the tournament, Germany played briliantly, just they didnt have anyone who could finish the ball (except Neuville but Roberto Carlos played him out), i would have prefered to see Bierhoff start, whereas Brazil did in Ronaldo who played a blinder, this was the defining factor for me.

Also i was impressed by Kleberson, his passing was poor but everything else about him looked good, one for the future.

Props to Brazil for a great tournament.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 04:48:30 AM
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hahahahaha...and your team lost against korea...man, that was hard, right?

Well.. actually you won just 1-0 in a regular game. Soffering like hell!

We lost in overtime, ok. But the refree sent off Totti for nothing, and they didnt give us a regular goal. I wanted to see you "great team" if the refree sent Ballack off or if he didnt give you his goal! LOL. Still here talking shit? Dont think so.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 04:48:50 AM
Come on Germans!  Admit you got it easier than most!

Who would you rather face?  Totti, Del Piero, Vieri, Raul, Morientes, Valeron etc. or Hong Myung Bo and co.?

Admit you got lucky with the teams you faced
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: gFuNkA on June 30, 2002, 04:51:52 AM
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lol keep kidding yourselves

All those teams you played (apart from Saudi Arabia) are good teams but none of them posess any World Class players with the ability to turn a match in one second like Zidane, Rivaldo, Ronaldo etc.  

South Korea - good team, but in a world cup semi final you need World Class individuals.  And they didn't have any.  

Don't fucking tell me you didn't have the easiest route to a final of ALL FUCKING TIME


ireland and cameroon aint easy to beat...and korea also. there is no easiest route to a final...we all saw that this wc. sure we dont have no world class individuals, but we had a closed team and a great keeper. you might think it was easy...but i say no.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 04:54:27 AM
Germans are like that. Korea was a joke team when they faced Italy and Spain, but a great team when they faced Germany.

And i cant forget Kahn saying: "we need to score 3-4 goals against Korea, cause i'm scared of the refree"

Who is the crying bitch now? And you won just 1-0 thanx to a wonderful Kahn.

When the GK is your MVP of almost all your games... mmmmmmm... it aint exactly a great thing.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 04:55:43 AM
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I totally agree with you. And Brazil had the second, probably.




Nah, check France's in '98

Saudi Arabia (these guys annoy me they're so shit)
South Africa
Denmark
Paraguay
Italy (the only big team - but you weren't at your best)
Croatia

That was easier than

Turkey
Costa Rica
China
Belgium
England
Turkey

Cause Turkey are fucking good - they will beat England at least once in qualifying

Turkey aren't Senegal or S.Korea


I sort of agree with you on your main point

But Holland did not deserve to be in it

If you have Haisselbank, Kluivert, RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII, Bergkamp, up front, and you can't beat a team with Breen, Staunton, Cunningham etc. in defence (Ireland), you don't deserve to be in the World Cup.  Van Gaal's fault.


Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: gFuNkA on June 30, 2002, 04:56:05 AM
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I wanted to see you "great team"


we dont have a great team...we have a closed team.
i think we will come with a great team 2006.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 04:58:54 AM
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we dont have a great team...we have a closed team.
i think we will come with a great team 2006.

I hope so for your team. Cause i doubt Argentina, Italy, Portugal and France will be eliminated after 3-4 games in Germany too! ;D
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 05:00:10 AM
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Italy (the only big team - but you weren't at your best)

Yeah, fucked up game! OUT ON PENALTIES ONCE AGAIN!!!! Damn! With Baggio missing that golden goal in the extra time!! :(

And with France "robbing" (this time in the positive way of the word) the final of the European Cup of 2 years ago too!
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 05:01:23 AM
Ballack and Kahn are World Class players, no doubt

I'm not saying it was EASY, I'm saying you had an easier draw than any team ever.

But you've got nothing to be sad about either.  Cause nobody expected you to do anything in the tournament so you should be happy that you put on a good show in the final.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 05:03:47 AM
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But you've got nothing to be sad about either.  Cause nobody expected you to do anything in the tournament so you should be happy that you put on a good show in the final.

Yeah, even if i've never seen a team playing in a final not doing it. Except for Brazil in 1998.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Joachim on June 30, 2002, 05:04:05 AM
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If you have Haisselbank, Kluivert, RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII, Bergkamp, up front, and you can't beat a team with Breen, Staunton, Cunningham etc. in defence (Ireland), you don't deserve to be in the World Cup.  Van Gaal's fault.



Bergkamp retired after Euro 2000, and funnily enough Holland couldnt qualify after he left lol
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: gFuNkA on June 30, 2002, 05:06:05 AM
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Great game, a nice way to end the tournament, Germany played briliantly, just they didnt have anyone who could finish the ball (except Neuville but Roberto Carlos played him out), i would have prefered to see Bierhoff start, whereas Brazil did in Ronaldo who played a blinder, this was the defining factor for me.

Also i was impressed by Kleberson, his passing was poor but everything else about him looked good, one for the future.

Props to Brazil for a great tournament.

Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: gFuNkA on June 30, 2002, 05:12:08 AM
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I'm not saying it was EASY, I'm saying you had an easier draw than any team ever.

But you've got nothing to be sad about either.  Cause nobody expected you to do anything in the tournament so you should be happy that you put on a good show in the final.


we got the easiest draw but nobody expected us to do anything in the tournament?  ::)
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 05:16:35 AM
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we got the easiest draw but nobody expected us to do anything in the tournament?  ::)

Exactly like Korea, Senegal, USA, Mexico, Turkey, Sweden, Denmark, EIRE, etc..

Oh.. and to tell you the truth, nobody said Brazil was in the top4 before the start of the competition cause they really risked to not qualify. Just like your team after you lost 5-0 with England.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: gFuNkA on June 30, 2002, 05:20:24 AM
damn, then we are the surprising team #1 this wc...nobody gave a fuck about us and we end up in the final...whoa
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 05:22:37 AM
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damn, then we are the surprising team #1 this wc...nobody gave a fuck about us and we end up in the final...whoa

For sure you are! That's the only reason why your team deserves props.
But not because of your style of play, not because of the fact you faced (and won against) the best teams of the World and not because you got world class players (except for Kahn, the GK).
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 05:24:51 AM
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we got the easiest draw but nobody expected us to do anything in the tournament?  ::)



Seriously man, don't be idiotic

People expected you to encounter Italy, Spain, Portugal etc.

I was really talking about 10 months ago when you lost 5 - 1

The mood of the German nation was that you were crap and would do nothing in the World Cup


Damn Joachim I guess I was wrong

They still have themselves to blame



Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 05:28:37 AM
I still insist with Brazil. People expected them to face Argentina, France, England, Uruguay, Nigeria. And Italy or Spain in the final.

That's why even Brazilians didnt even try to dream about a final!

But they just faced England.

And China, Costa Rica, etc..
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: gFuNkA on June 30, 2002, 05:29:41 AM
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Seriously man, don't be idiotic

People expected you to encounter Italy, Spain, Portugal etc.

I was really talking about 10 months ago when you lost 5 - 1

The mood of the German nation was that you were crap and would do nothing in the World Cup


Damn Joachim I guess I was wrong

They still have themselves to blame





there is only ONE man in england who knows it right...

ten month ago was another thing....has nothing to do with this wc
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 05:34:30 AM
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ten month ago was another thing....has nothing to do with this wc

LOL.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: o g s u e s o n e on June 30, 2002, 05:47:40 AM
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Bitch.. shut up! To play well against Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA and S.Korea (in a regular game) aint that hard, man. Expecially when Franz dissed your own team! Enjoy your 4th final lost and shut up.

BTW NO.1 EUROPEAN TEAM IS FRANCE. 2ND IS ITALY. World Cup is different than EUROPEAN CUP. Dont mix the 2.

Best European in the world cup? ROFL!!!
Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA, S.Korea & Brazil = ARE THOSE TEAMS FROM EUROPE? LOL.



HAHAHAHAHH!!!! dont be mad homie......HAHAHAHHAHAHH!
WE DID THE FINAL AND U DID A SHIT! THATS IT!
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: o g s u e s o n e on June 30, 2002, 05:58:18 AM
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Well.. actually you won just 1-0 in a regular game. Soffering like hell!

We lost in overtime, ok. But the refree sent off Totti for nothing, and they didnt give us a regular goal. I wanted to see you "great team" if the refree sent Ballack off or if he didnt give you his goal! LOL. Still here talking shit? Dont think so.


who gives a damn. u lost.  8)
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 05:58:38 AM
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HAHAHAHAHH!!!! dont be mad homie......HAHAHAHHAHAHH!
WE DID THE FINAL AND U DID A SHIT! THATS IT!

Me? Yeah, today i did a shit, in the morning. ;D

I aint mad, homie. But you dissed, so i replied. It's a joke.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 06:12:16 AM
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Yeah, even if i've never seen a team playing in a final not doing it. Except for Brazil in 1998.



So you didn't see the Word Cup Final in 1994 then?

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Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 06:13:37 AM
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So you didn't see the Word Cup Final in 1994 then?

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Man.. they played at 2pm at 40°c.

It wasnt a match. It was a torture!
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 06:16:10 AM
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Man.. they played at 2pm at 40°c.

It wasnt a match. It was a torture!



Ok then, how about the World Cup Final in your country?  Germany vs Argentina.  Germany win with a penalty.  2 sendings off.  Hardly any football played.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 06:20:42 AM
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Ok then, how about the World Cup Final in your country?  Germany vs Argentina.  Germany win with a penalty.  2 sendings off.  Hardly any football played.

At least it was been a fight, with both the teams fighting.

I just said it's hard to see a final with a team who doesnt give everything out. Then you can play well or bad, like in the final of Italy 90 (the best WC of the last 10 years). Feel me?

In Italy we say: "when you are in a disco, even if you aint good doing it, you have to dance!". ;D
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 06:25:41 AM
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(the best WC of the last 10 years)




WHAT!!! Italy was a cynical, dull, boring world cup.  Both Semis decided on penalties.  The hosts should have been in the final, the only team that sort of deserved it.  Italia '90 was at the height of cataneccio (spelling) (the art of defensive football) and it showed.

Oh and also, lol, it was 12 years, ago so it can't be the best world cup of the last 10 years.  But it was crap anyway.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: gFuNkA on June 30, 2002, 06:28:53 AM
wc in italy was great
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 06:33:56 AM
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wc in italy was great



Well it obviously was for you

The outstanding player was Schillaci, and he had a one off fluke tournament.  He never did anything of note in club football.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: o g s u e s o n e on June 30, 2002, 06:34:39 AM
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wc in italy was great

Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on June 30, 2002, 06:36:05 AM
I need another non - German/Italian to give an unbiased view
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: gFuNkA on June 30, 2002, 06:48:30 AM
spain 1982 was also great. i remember the semi against france...awesome game
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: bez on June 30, 2002, 07:04:12 AM
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Yep, it must have been really hard beating all those GIANTS of Football like Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, Paraguay, USA and S.Korea.  Draws don't come tougher than that.


jay, N e world cup match is hard, no matter who u get.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 07:04:38 AM
Italia 90 ugly? LOL! More than USA 94 or France 98? Or this crap WC? Dont joke!

This was been the WC of runners and 1-2 good players. The Italy 90 one was been the opposite, with Mattaus, Maradona, Baggio, Baresi, etc..... dont joke! :P
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 07:06:27 AM
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spain 1982 was also great. i remember the semi against france...awesome game

And i remember the Final, LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: gFuNkA on June 30, 2002, 07:49:11 AM
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And i remember the Final, LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P


::)  i cant remember  ;D
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Joachim on June 30, 2002, 08:41:54 AM
I dont think either USA 94, France 98 or Japan/Korea 2002 were as strong competition wise as Italia 90 was, the Italy vs Germany final represents that, plus Argentina vs Italy and Germany vs England semis. But this world cup was better too watch, as teams like USA, South Korea, and Senegal added the feeling that anything could happen plus teams like France, Argentina, Italy and Portugal all going out prematurely made it great too watch.

Also i think this years final was one of the most highly contested and good too watch for a while.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Nima - Dubcnn.com on June 30, 2002, 08:51:03 AM
damn ya'll this was athread bout THIS final.. not bout who got the easiest draw, neither bout who played best.
::)

anyway it wasa great game, PROPS to germany, and PROPS to brazil
the better team won and thats it.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Instant_Killa on June 30, 2002, 11:19:55 AM
It turned out just as i had predicted.....Brazil winning the world cup...bravo
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Doggystylin on June 30, 2002, 11:24:45 AM
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It turned out just as i had predicted.....Brazil winning the world cup...bravo


ah, the great one speaks...
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Juice on June 30, 2002, 11:32:31 AM
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ah, the great one speaks...

LOL!
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Sikotic™ on June 30, 2002, 01:57:59 PM
I actually watched the whole game. It was good.
Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Jay ay Beee on July 01, 2002, 12:21:30 AM
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jay, N e world cup match is hard, no matter who u get.



But some are harder than others




And I guess you want something different out of your World Cups than me because, while I admit the Semi Final line ups had some of the biggest 'name' teams, Italia 90 was a low scoring, cynical, and on the whole boring tournament.  The lasting images are missed penalties and red cards.



Title: Re: Brazil 2 - 0 Germany - Your thoughts
Post by: Joachim on July 01, 2002, 12:34:27 AM
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And I guess you want something different out of your World Cups than me because, while I admit the Semi Final line ups had some of the biggest 'name' teams, Italia 90 was a low scoring, cynical, and on the whole boring tournament.  The lasting images are missed penalties and red cards.



They were not just the biggest 'name' teams, they were the best teams, compare any of those teams in Italia 90's semis to the teams in this years semis, admit it or not the football was quality, and goals dont and never do constitute a good game.

This years tournament was let down by poor referees and a distinct lack of flair, also the whole tournament really didnt live up to the media hype for me.