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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on May 18, 2007, 02:29:11 PM
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LeBron, far from clutch. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/05182007/sports/playing_coach_up_sports_peter_vecsey.htm?page=2)
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May 18, 2007 --
Is there any extraterrestrial scorer who's more fragile, and whose confidence can be shaken so summarily than Vince Carter? Presenting LeBron James, last seen slightly limping off the court - bailing out on the Cavaliers - near the end of the Game 5 lost cause.
For the sake of King James' sanity, shaking hand (while drinking a Gatorade) and nail-biting during team huddles at crunch time, please cease his incessant commercials. Imagine the endorsement power of this mortal man-child should he ever actually achieve anything momentous.
In the meantime, until James proves he can play more like Tayshaun Prince and mow 'em down at the free throw line when they count like Manu Ginobili, I strongly suggest, in the best interest of Cleveland, Zydrunas Ilgauskas be utilized for technical fouls vs. LeBron.
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LeBron, far from clutch. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/05182007/sports/playing_coach_up_sports_peter_vecsey.htm?page=2)
(http://www.nypost.com/img/cols/petervecsey.jpg)
May 18, 2007 --
Is there any extraterrestrial scorer who's more fragile, and whose confidence can be shaken so summarily than Vince Carter? Presenting LeBron James, last seen slightly limping off the court - bailing out on the Cavaliers - near the end of the Game 5 lost cause.
For the sake of King James' sanity, shaking hand (while drinking a Gatorade) and nail-biting during team huddles at crunch time, please cease his incessant commercials. Imagine the endorsement power of this mortal man-child should he ever actually achieve anything momentous.
In the meantime, until James proves he can play more like Tayshaun Prince and mow 'em down at the free throw line when they count like Manu Ginobili, I strongly suggest, in the best interest of Cleveland, Zydrunas Ilgauskas be utilized for technical fouls vs. LeBron.
The truth hurts.
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Its really sad to see a guy that good freeze up at crunch time. I can live with him taking shots and not making them but LJ won't even attempt a shot in a close game. Luckily for him he's young and has plenty of time to work on that.
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You guys watch the 4th quarter today?
LBJ took over, fadeaways, 3's, assists, saving lose balls, offensive rebounds, what more do you need?
I admit Lebron has been hit and miss in clutch situations, but the guy is still only 22!!!
He played great in the pivotal minutes of the 4th quarter, good for him.
Of course, you guys will never acknowledge the truth as you cannot give props to the following:
1) teams that beat the Lakers out of the playoffs two years str8
2) Players that are mentioned as being almost as good or as good as Kobe
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Don't you think his confidence will get better as he gets older?
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You guys watch the 4th quarter today?
LBJ took over, fadeaways, 3's, assists, saving lose balls, offensive rebounds, what more do you need?
I admit Lebron has been hit and miss in clutch situations, but the guy is still only 22!!!
He played great in the pivotal minutes of the 4th quarter, good for him.
Of course, you guys will never acknowledge the truth as you cannot give props to the following:
1) teams that beat the Lakers out of the playoffs two years str8
2) Players that are mentioned as being almost as good or as good as Kobe
Who exactly are you referring to?
1. I'm a big Amare Stoudemire fan, and I give a lot of credit to Leandro Barbosa.
2. No player is close to being as good as Kobe so not sure what you mean there.
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Peter Vecsey brings nothing to the table.
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You guys watch the 4th quarter today?
LBJ took over, fadeaways, 3's, assists, saving lose balls, offensive rebounds, what more do you need?
I admit Lebron has been hit and miss in clutch situations, but the guy is still only 22!!!
He played great in the pivotal minutes of the 4th quarter, good for him.
Of course, you guys will never acknowledge the truth as you cannot give props to the following:
1) teams that beat the Lakers out of the playoffs two years str8
2) Players that are mentioned as being almost as good or as good as Kobe
Who exactly are you referring to?
1. I'm a big Amare Stoudemire fan, and I give a lot of credit to Leandro Barbosa.
2. No player is close to being as good as Kobe so not sure what you mean there.
I shouldn't try and speak for the man, but I'm guessing he's referring to Elior. Unfortunately he casts you Laker fans in a bad light when in reality yall are good peoples and are capable of having rational discussion.
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You guys watch the 4th quarter today?
LBJ took over, fadeaways, 3's, assists, saving lose balls, offensive rebounds, what more do you need?
I admit Lebron has been hit and miss in clutch situations, but the guy is still only 22!!!
He played great in the pivotal minutes of the 4th quarter, good for him.
Of course, you guys will never acknowledge the truth as you cannot give props to the following:
1) teams that beat the Lakers out of the playoffs two years str8
2) Players that are mentioned as being almost as good or as good as Kobe
It's not about not givin props to the Suns.. they were better than the Lakers and we admit it.. We just said they'll never win a title, playing this type of B-Ball and til now this is FACT... Lebron is a great player but still has a lot to prove to be on Kobe level.. he hasn't classic takeovers in the 4th yet... unlike Wade who got somes... Don't get me wrong Lebron can improve a lot but NOW he isn't on the level the medias said
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22 years old, led his team to ~50 reg season wins and to the con finals in 10 games
ya dig
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You guys watch the 4th quarter today?
LBJ took over, fadeaways, 3's, assists, saving lose balls, offensive rebounds, what more do you need?
I admit Lebron has been hit and miss in clutch situations, but the guy is still only 22!!!
He played great in the pivotal minutes of the 4th quarter, good for him.
Of course, you guys will never acknowledge the truth as you cannot give props to the following:
1) teams that beat the Lakers out of the playoffs two years str8
2) Players that are mentioned as being almost as good or as good as Kobe
It's not about not givin props to the Suns.. they were better than the Lakers and we admit it.. We just said they'll never win a title, playing this type of B-Ball and til now this is FACT... Lebron is a great player but still has a lot to prove to be on Kobe level.. he hasn't classic takeovers in the 4th yet... unlike Wade who got somes... Don't get me wrong Lebron can improve a lot but NOW he isn't on the level the medias said
Intead of trying to accept that this is our opinion, they'd prefer to ride our nuts over it. LMAO@Jromo's claims. Most Laker fans agree with me...LOL. saying "I'm a huge Amare Stoudemire fan" doesn't make you a more respectable Laker fan...Just admit that you can't get off my nuts and that it has nothing to do with my opinion on the sport of basketball, which you know nothing about to begin with. EVERY post from you in this section mentions of me. GIVE IT UP.
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Props to LeBron, pissed off that Cleveland knocked us out, but LBJ played great.
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if Peter Vecsey said it,it must be true...........
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I love Lebron but yeah he has hasn't really come in in the clutch alot, hopefully it will come as he gets older. I'm hoping he can do something against Detroit
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Game One of Conference Finals vs. Pistons....
With a minute and some left, he threw up a terrible three pointer off balance.
With about 50 seconds left, he threw a GREAT pass to Hughes with 50 something seconds left, but he put up a bad shot.....
Now with 30 something seconds left, and the ball.....does he want it???
With about 24 seconds or so....he seemed very timid once again...backing down someone for five seconds before deciding to pass to Zydrunas, and they luckily got the rebound.....now they have about 12 seconds left........
With 8 seconds, he threw a good pass to Marshall, who shot an open three and missed it.....and the ball bounced and the Pistons got it......
And I was hoping he'd come through...he really does need to get that instinct.
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LeBron chokes once again.
Scoreless in the last 7 minutes, chooses the 4th quarter to play his worst. Not only is he not clutch, but he can't even seem to play DECENT when it counts... :-\
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Yes, until he proves otherwise.
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LeBron chokes once again.
Scoreless in the last 7 minutes, chooses the 4th quarter to play his worst. Not only is he not clutch, but he can't even seem to play DECENT when it counts... :-\
Yeah...bad game, poor shooting and scoring night for him and he does need to become more decisive in clutch games...on a positive note though, he does have his team in the conference finals. How's Kobe doing right now?
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I'm starting not to like Lebron anymore. Its ridiculous that he can't fuckin score in the 4th quarter. The refs have to spoon feed him just to get a point in crunch time.
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LeBron chokes once again.
Scoreless in the last 7 minutes, chooses the 4th quarter to play his worst. Not only is he not clutch, but he can't even seem to play DECENT when it counts... :-\
Yeah...bad game, poor shooting and scoring night for him and he does need to become more decisive in clutch games...on a positive note though, he does have his team in the conference finals. How's Kobe doing right now?
Hmm...he's likely reflecting on the times he hit clutch shots to get his team into the Finals, and then win three rings....and how to bring it back to that level. Replace Lebron with Kobe...and they easily reach the Finals, and probably win a ring.
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^ Shit, put the Lakers in the East and they easily make the finals.
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i think after tonights game if Lebron doesnt become more aggresive in the forth qtr for future games i think he may never get it.I mean he practicly had a layup to tie the game but instead passed on it to marshall for a wide open 3.I mean yea it was a good pass and everything but the point is Leron could have tied the game easily with that layup instead of leaving it up to someone else.He is still young so there is hope for him.
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i think after tonights game if Lebron doesnt become more aggresive in the forth qtr for future games i think he may never get it.I mean he practicly had a layup to tie the game but instead passed on it to marshall for a wide open 3.I mean yea it was a good pass and everything but the point is Leron could have tied the game easily with that layup instead of leaving it up to someone else.He is still young so there is hope for him.
Man....after watching it again, he could have had a DUNK!!! Rasheed didn't have enough time to block him unless he didn't put the ball in the air quick enough. He really did look timid in those last few minutes. And Magic was definitely right....Ernie was like "he's 22, so is it still because he's young?" or somethin...and Magic said somethin basically sayin that "we've been sayin that for two years now" and he was saying that it's his fourth year in the league, so the age excuse alone means nothing.
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^ Shit, put the Lakers in the East and they easily make the finals.
LMAO, No chance homie
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LeBron doesn't have to score to put his stamp on the game... he had a terrible game for his standards, the rest of his team wasnt exactly ballin either, and they still almost beat the Pistons in Detroit... fuck with that haters.
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^ Shit, put the Lakers in the East and they easily make the finals.
LMAO, No chance homie
How bout them Pacers? Can't even make the playoffs in the East. :-X
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LeBron doesn't have to score to put his stamp on the game... he had a terrible game for his standards, the rest of his team wasnt exactly ballin either, and they still almost beat the Pistons in Detroit... fuck with that haters.
you aware Detroit played like shit right ? and the for the 1000000 th times , almost winning is not a win..
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lebron drew the double team passed the ball to an open teammate for an open shot. can't really fault him for that. lebron is a team player who makes his teamates better. hes not gonna sit there and shoot shot after shot and have his teammates loose rhythm and and stand around watchin him make plays like some other players in the league
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Lebron can't do it wrong.. God knows it
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LOL @ Lebron trying to get the triple double instead of trying to win the game...the fag is all about stats :grumpy:
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^ Shit, put the Lakers in the East and they easily make the finals.
LMAO, No chance homie
LOL@No chance...Take a look at the western conference finals...We handed BOTH of those teams their asses this year.
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LeBron doesn't have to score to put his stamp on the game... he had a terrible game for his standards, the rest of his team wasnt exactly ballin either, and they still almost beat the Pistons in Detroit... fuck with that haters.
That only tells me that LeBron isn't doing nearly as much work for his team as your average superstar...Seriously, dude constantly disappears for long stretches and his team still manages to keep the tempo in their favor time after time. He's not the type of player to bail you out in tough situations, or to put his stamp on the win, or any of those things...He quietly picks up the stats, and never comes through when it counts...Great skills? Yes. Great player? Not quite yet.
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FOr those of you who think LBJ isn't a great player, i ask you this???? DO YOU THINK JASON KIDD IS A GREAT PLAYER?
If you answered YES, then consider the following with an OPEN MIND:
"LeBron was, on a night when his shot wasn’t falling against regular triple teams, just one assist away from a triple-double. If Jason Kidd had the exact same game last night, including making that same decision to pass to Donyell on the final possession, our collective reaction would be overwhelmingly positive."
LBJ is judged on an entirely different level than youre average player; he is more Magic than Jordan or Kobe, as he looks pass first. Still a great player, but he doesn't have that killer instinct yet.
Having said that, i wish Lebron woulda dunked that one, he had the step and maybe could've got an and 1. Definitely frustrating, but still a great game from him, on what was really an average night.........
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my point is Lebron had a dunk or a lay-up for sure to tie the game and send it into OT and/or even probably get a 3 point play out of it to win it on his own.SO he passed on the guarntee points and left it to the hands of Marshall ummm i dont know about that logic.
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^ Shit, put the Lakers in the East and they easily make the finals.
LMAO, No chance homie
LOL@No chance...Take a look at the western conference finals...We handed BOTH of those teams their asses this year.
The Lakers wouldn't beat the Spurs in a 7 game series. They'd be swept or be done in five. It doesn't matter what they did in the regular season, the playoffs are different...and just because the media says that doesn't mean it's not true...even you should know that.
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FOr those of you who think LBJ isn't a great player, i ask you this???? DO YOU THINK JASON KIDD IS A GREAT PLAYER?
If you answered YES, then consider the following with an OPEN MIND:
"LeBron was, on a night when his shot wasn’t falling against regular triple teams, just one assist away from a triple-double. If Jason Kidd had the exact same game last night, including making that same decision to pass to Donyell on the final possession, our collective reaction would be overwhelmingly positive."
LBJ is judged on an entirely different level than youre average player; he is more Magic than Jordan or Kobe, as he looks pass first. Still a great player, but he doesn't have that killer instinct yet.
Having said that, i wish Lebron woulda dunked that one, he had the step and maybe could've got an and 1. Definitely frustrating, but still a great game from him, on what was really an average night.........
Jason Kidd is an out-of-prime POINT GUARD, and a 2nd option on his team... LOL@the comparison. Like Magic said, LeBron needs to develop a leader mentality on the offensive end, especially if he wants to be considered amongst the greats. He doesn't step it up for his team. He doesn't have that extra gear...And even Magic frickin' Johnson woulda' shot that...PeACe
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LeBron doesn't have to score to put his stamp on the game... he had a terrible game for his standards, the rest of his team wasnt exactly ballin either, and they still almost beat the Pistons in Detroit... fuck with that haters.
Man please stop this bullshit. Lebron had a bad game, and the Cavs lost.
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FOr those of you who think LBJ isn't a great player, i ask you this???? DO YOU THINK JASON KIDD IS A GREAT PLAYER?
If you answered YES, then consider the following with an OPEN MIND:
"LeBron was, on a night when his shot wasn’t falling against regular triple teams, just one assist away from a triple-double. If Jason Kidd had the exact same game last night, including making that same decision to pass to Donyell on the final possession, our collective reaction would be overwhelmingly positive."
LBJ is judged on an entirely different level than youre average player; he is more Magic than Jordan or Kobe, as he looks pass first. Still a great player, but he doesn't have that killer instinct yet.
Having said that, i wish Lebron woulda dunked that one, he had the step and maybe could've got an and 1. Definitely frustrating, but still a great game from him, on what was really an average night.........
They are two different type of players ... Kidd got a great carreer but has no shot.. he was never expected to take over games by scoring a lot of points.. he's great but was never considered as a potential next Jordan. On the other hand, Lebron is viewed as the next Jordan and if he wants to live up to the hype and be considered as an all-time great , he has to be clutch .. and til now he hasn't shown it yet.. from the same draft, Wade and Carmelo have shown more than him in this sector
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^ Shit, put the Lakers in the East and they easily make the finals.
LMAO, No chance homie
LOL@No chance...Take a look at the western conference finals...We handed BOTH of those teams their asses this year.
lol ....you act like we swept the series, the only team we had a chance of beating in the playoffs was golden state,lol.
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^ Shit, put the Lakers in the East and they easily make the finals.
LMAO, No chance homie
LOL@No chance...Take a look at the western conference finals...We handed BOTH of those teams their asses this year.
lol ....you act like we swept the series, the only team we had a chance of beating in the playoffs was golden state,lol.
Very close to sweeping the Spurs series...And I'm not saying we woulda' beaten them in the playoffs, but you must be on crack if you think the only team we coulda beat in the playoffs at full strength was Golden State.
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i wonder if the refs actually show up and give James some respect and send him to the line...game one was ridiculous in that regard
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i wonder if the refs actually show up and give James some respect and send him to the line...game one was ridiculous in that regard
I wonder if LeBron will ever take it to the hoop with the intention of scoring.
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i wonder if the refs actually show up and give James some respect and send him to the line...game one was ridiculous in that regard
I wonder if LeBron will ever take it to the hoop with the intention of scoring.
game one wasnt his best game obviously but the refs gave him zero respect...not one single trip to the line? thats bullshit,if it was Kobe youd be shitting yourself
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i wonder if the refs actually show up and give James some respect and send him to the line...game one was ridiculous in that regard
I wonder if LeBron will ever take it to the hoop with the intention of scoring.
game one wasnt his best game obviously but the refs gave him zero respect...not one single trip to the line? thats bullshit,if it was Kobe youd be shitting yourself
Kobe wouldn't attempt 15 shots when his team is desperate for offense.
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LMAO@the choker, once again...
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NOt a good finish for LBJ, i don't think he got fouled either. And how the fuck did Hughes miss that shot????????
THe Pistons are doing a GREAT job on Lebron, he's got no room..........
What an UGLY 4th, more tunrovers from both teams that FG...........its like neither team wanted to win. The Pistons could be down
2-0 right now, if they play like that against the Spurs it will be 4-0
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:grumpy: at Varejo floppin before Sheed clutch shot.. glad he got exposed in the Press Conf.. but how the fuck Cavs didn't win this game :-X Lebron once again, Hugues is even worse :-X
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LeBron James' stats in the last quarter.
5 points, 2/7 FG, 1/2 FT, 1 reb, 1 assist, 2 TO.
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LOL @ Lebron trying to get the triple double instead of trying to win the game...the fag is all about stats :grumpy:
I've been saying that for the longest. People have trouble agreeing cuz they don't want to admit how selfish that is.
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So that's 2 times the Cavs didn't win because of 1 missed open shot IN Detroit. They are far from done. That being said Kobe wouldn't have fun playing against a Pistons team focused on him either, you damn dicks.
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So that's 2 times the Cavs didn't win because of 1 missed open shot IN Detroit. They are far from done. That being said Kobe wouldn't have fun playing against a Pistons team focused on him either, you damn dicks.
What the fuck does Kobe have to do with this? You keep bringing him u. You mad cus you're man crush can't get it done when it counts?
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So that's 2 times the Cavs didn't win because of 1 missed open shot IN Detroit. They are far from done. That being said Kobe wouldn't have fun playing against a Pistons team focused on him either, you damn dicks.
What the fuck does Kobe have to do with this? You keep bringing him u. You mad cus you're man crush can't get it done when it counts?
You KNOW every Laker-Fan dissing LeBron thinks to himself "haha Kobe is so much better, let's rub it in their faces"...
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So that's 2 times the Cavs didn't win because of 1 missed open shot IN Detroit. They are far from done. That being said Kobe wouldn't have fun playing against a Pistons team focused on him either, you damn dicks.
and people keep sayin we bring Kobe/Lakers in every thread :-X.. anyways you're a Mavs fan, why should u care so much about Bron and the Cavs.. Lebron can hit 24732553 winning shots and win 12 titles, I really don't give a fuck
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So that's 2 times the Cavs didn't win because of 1 missed open shot IN Detroit. They are far from done. That being said Kobe wouldn't have fun playing against a Pistons team focused on him either, you damn dicks.
The fact is that if Kobe fails against a team you're the first one to write it.
If Lebron does it you're the first one to deny it and to call other people hater.
And to give me a -1 karma, lmao.
Relax, fool. We ain't dissing your girlfriend!
We're talking about basketball.
You know?
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Well I could say the same shit vice versa about your hero so there you go nigga! And yes you DO bring Kobe and the Lakers in threads in which they don't belong! Everything you accuse me of I can accuse you of. I'm just showing you how you are.
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Well I could say the same shit vice versa about your hero so there you go nigga!
Nigga? ::)
See, that's your main problem, man. You play GTA San Andreas too much. Sometimes you should go out, watch other people, watch yourself on the mirrow and realize you live in a country surrounded by WHITE people, and that you are WHITE. Like me. Shit, you even have long hair, God damn!!! C'mon. Go out. Trust me, it'll help you.
And yes you DO bring Kobe and the Lakers in threads in which they don't belong! Everything you accuse me of I can accuse you of. I'm just showing you how you are.
Again, you're living in an unreal world. In the real world i don't, homie. It's just you. Press the green button
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Shut the consolle down, and go out. It's almost summertime, homie. Try to catch some ass.
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Like this one. You can do it.
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nigga
Am I missin something ? When have you a got a pass for that :-X
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LOL. White people gettin their panties in a bunch over someone saying nigga are the worst, I swear. That being said you make a shitload of immature assumptions there, Antonio. You're like 25, have a wife and a daughter, get more mature, please. Also, Eihtball gave me a pass on saying nigga.
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LOL. White people gettin their panties in a bunch over someone saying nigga are the worst, I swear. That being said you make a shitload of immature assumptions there, Antonio. You're like 25, have a wife and a daughter, get more mature, please. Also, Eihtball gave me a pass on saying nigga.
I'm 27, man. And i was obviously joking. But c'mon, i don't go out calling other people nigga and blaming them of something they don't do. I don't bring Kobe in every thread, so don't blame me of it. And i'm not a Lebron hater. I think he has great potential, but he's still too soft in the clutch time. Kobe is not. But let's keep Kobe out of this thread: he's no Billups. Ok? He has to improve a lot in the 4th quarter, to be considered an elite player, imho. And he has to improve on the defensive end. Sometimes you have to take the damn ball and win the fucking game. And you have to totally shut your oppenent player down, to gain some respect on the defensive court too.
P.S. My heroes are Magic Johnson, James Worthy, Pat Riley, Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Eddie Jones. Kobe's not in the list. He's just the best player of the team i support, and i think he's the 2nd best SG ever (with room to improve). But he was never been my hero. Same with Shaq.
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That's cool, but I regard Laker-Fans as a collective now. I didn't accuse you personally, just "Lakerism" as a whole. I'm tired of this shit you know. Anyways, basketball season is over soon, it's all tennis in the summer, as long as you're no Nadal fan we won't collide, ya dig
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Oooops.
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James was shook last night...also its obvious he gets zero help from his "teammates" they are garbage...
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^ lol Larry Hughes fuckin sucks. I don't know whats wrong with that guy.
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^ lol Larry Hughes fuckin sucks. I don't know whats wrong with that guy.
Incredibly overpaid/rated... shit's insane.
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32 points, 5 of 8 in the 4th, including the shot which sealed the win....................finally Lebron stepped up.
I'm starting to like this Gibson kid too, he played great tonight.......
And LBJ's dunk on Wallace with the And 1 was sick!
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Yeah Lebron was huge and clutch in the 4th... good reaction , props to him
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great fucking game for Lebron glad to see him do his thing late in the fourth.It just takes time but some players have it or they dont and i personally still think Lebron doesnt have it but he did show flashes of it tonight.
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Props to him.
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^ lol Larry Hughes fuckin sucks. I don't know whats wrong with that guy.
Incredibly overpaid/rated... shit's insane.
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All i know i sthat his dunk the other night was awsome. No one can argue that!
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25 points, 11 assists, 7 boards! 14 points in the 4th including 5/5 from the free throw line..........what more do ya'll need? Dude needed to step up after game 2 and has in a BIG way!
ANd what about Boobie Gibson and Gooden?! Props to the Cavs, we are witnessing a superstar and his team mature, turning into a surprisingly interesting series, i didn't really think the Cavs had a chance.......
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james looked pretty damn clutch to me tonight...gooden,gibson stepped up and took some pressure off of Lebron. If Im Brown id bury Varejoa at the end of the bench he's a liability with his bullshit flops.
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He stepped it up once again.. now let's see if they can win the series, at this point, they have a really good chance... since they coached by Saunders, the Pistons are really weird, often win a couple of games then relax lose a couple.. it kills your momentum in the playoffs
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I will give LeBron his props when he closes out this series...Otherwise, it's just another choke-job. His team has proven that they can compete with Detroit, especially with Detroit being so cold. Now it's up to LeBron to close it out. Who actually thinks he can do it?
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I will give LeBron his props when he closes out this series...Otherwise, it's just another choke-job. His team has proven that they can compete with Detroit, especially with Detroit being so cold. Now it's up to LeBron to close it out. Who actually thinks he can do it?
im not going to guarantee he will close out the series but for being as young as he is and for it being his first trip this far in the playoffs he deserves some props. If Gibson and Gooden can play like they did last night then Detroit is in trouble. They cannot rely on Hughes thats for sure especially now that he's injured so its gonna be tough. Detroit is officially shook at this point,however they will come out aggressive in game 5. But they have not played cohesively as a team the last 2 games. Webber has fallen off so bad its sad,Billups is not playing like himself especially last night(however like i posted in another thread,he will get it together)Rip is M.I.A.,Rasheed seems to be extremely frustrated. The bright spots i see are Prince and Mcdyess. Prince does it all and Mcdyess is on a tear off the bench. With that said im gonna go ahead and say that Cleveland will man up and pull off the upset. Either way though i have mad respect for James for steppin up after games 1,2 and leading his team to wins to tie it up.
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I will give LeBron his props when he closes out this series...Otherwise, it's just another choke-job. His team has proven that they can compete with Detroit, especially with Detroit being so cold. Now it's up to LeBron to close it out. Who actually thinks he can do it?
im not going to guarantee he will close out the series but for being as young as he is and for it being his first trip this far in the playoffs he deserves some props. If Gibson and Gooden can play like they did last night then Detroit is in trouble. They cannot rely on Hughes thats for sure especially now that he's injured so its gonna be tough. Detroit is officially shook at this point,however they will come out aggressive in game 5. But they have not played cohesively as a team the last 2 games. Webber has fallen off so bad its sad,Billups is not playing like himself especially last night(however like i posted in another thread,he will get it together)Rip is M.I.A.,Rasheed seems to be extremely frustrated. The bright spots i see are Prince and Mcdyess. Prince does it all and Mcdyess is on a tear off the bench. With that said im gonna go ahead and say that Cleveland will man up and pull off the upset. Either way though i have mad respect for James for steppin up after games 1,2 and leading his team to wins to tie it up.
Detroit does this every year in the playoffs. Just like LeBron in almost every 4th quarter. Props to him for being a good player. But has he reached that elite greatness? Is he a true team leader who can make the plays down the stretch? So far, he's been walking through the playoffs. Washington and New Jersey were not playoff teams, and Detroit is playing their shittiest ball in some time...PeACe
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I will give LeBron his props when he closes out this series...Otherwise, it's just another choke-job. His team has proven that they can compete with Detroit, especially with Detroit being so cold. Now it's up to LeBron to close it out. Who actually thinks he can do it?
im not going to guarantee he will close out the series but for being as young as he is and for it being his first trip this far in the playoffs he deserves some props. If Gibson and Gooden can play like they did last night then Detroit is in trouble. They cannot rely on Hughes thats for sure especially now that he's injured so its gonna be tough. Detroit is officially shook at this point,however they will come out aggressive in game 5. But they have not played cohesively as a team the last 2 games. Webber has fallen off so bad its sad,Billups is not playing like himself especially last night(however like i posted in another thread,he will get it together)Rip is M.I.A.,Rasheed seems to be extremely frustrated. The bright spots i see are Prince and Mcdyess. Prince does it all and Mcdyess is on a tear off the bench. With that said im gonna go ahead and say that Cleveland will man up and pull off the upset. Either way though i have mad respect for James for steppin up after games 1,2 and leading his team to wins to tie it up.
Detroit does this every year in the playoffs. Just like LeBron in almost every 4th quarter. Props to him for being a good player. But has he reached that elite greatness? Is he a true team leader who can make the plays down the stretch? So far, he's been walking through the playoffs. Washington and New Jersey were not playoff teams, and Detroit is playing their shittiest ball in some time...PeACe
he's not in the elite class...but if he pulls out this series how far is he from elite? does he need a ring? i also agree that its hard to judge his clutch play the last two games based on detroits inconsistency. however compared to his previous playoff play it seems he's making progress as a player and a leader.
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I will give LeBron his props when he closes out this series...Otherwise, it's just another choke-job. His team has proven that they can compete with Detroit, especially with Detroit being so cold. Now it's up to LeBron to close it out. Who actually thinks he can do it?
im not going to guarantee he will close out the series but for being as young as he is and for it being his first trip this far in the playoffs he deserves some props. If Gibson and Gooden can play like they did last night then Detroit is in trouble. They cannot rely on Hughes thats for sure especially now that he's injured so its gonna be tough. Detroit is officially shook at this point,however they will come out aggressive in game 5. But they have not played cohesively as a team the last 2 games. Webber has fallen off so bad its sad,Billups is not playing like himself especially last night(however like i posted in another thread,he will get it together)Rip is M.I.A.,Rasheed seems to be extremely frustrated. The bright spots i see are Prince and Mcdyess. Prince does it all and Mcdyess is on a tear off the bench. With that said im gonna go ahead and say that Cleveland will man up and pull off the upset. Either way though i have mad respect for James for steppin up after games 1,2 and leading his team to wins to tie it up.
Detroit does this every year in the playoffs. Just like LeBron in almost every 4th quarter. Props to him for being a good player. But has he reached that elite greatness? Is he a true team leader who can make the plays down the stretch? So far, he's been walking through the playoffs. Washington and New Jersey were not playoff teams, and Detroit is playing their shittiest ball in some time...PeACe
If LBJ takes the Cavs to the final, he will have done something VERY FEW 22 year olds in the NBA have ever done.........lead his team into the NBA finals. Name one other 22 year old who was the BEST PLAYER and unquestioned leader of his team who took his team to the finals. I can't think of any of hand................
Of course, its not gonna be easy to beat the Pistons, they are the least predictable team around, at times capable of playing great, at times being HORRIBLE. Their biggest lead of the series is FIVE POINTS, and they have lost 4 of their last 7 in the playoffs
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^^Wade did it last year in the East...The NBA Eastern Conference is a joke...and the Cavs STILL wont get past Detroit, mark that. LeBron is too soft. He'll get better, but he'll never have that killer instinct.
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^^Wade did it last year in the East...The NBA Eastern Conference is a joke...and the Cavs STILL wont get past Detroit, mark that. LeBron is too soft. He'll get better, but he'll never have that killer instinct.
The East IS a joke, I agree with you there, but surely the West must be a joke too, right? The supposed best team in the league loses in the first round, the horrible, basketball-ruining Suns push the SPurs to 6, yet a team that is, as you said, better than the Suns, is getting destroyed by the Spurs.
By the way, Wade was 24 last year, not 22, had Shaq riding shotgun, and an EXPERIENCED veteran team with him............not exactly the same situation as Lebron and Cleveland.
NIK, i know it has been a tough couple of days for you, from fellow Lakers fans calling you out, to actually referring to your "net status", to Kobe wanting out, to LBJ stepping up...............so i understand you have not been able to clearly comprehend what others are posting. Things will get better! I know you are praying LBj doesn't take his team to the finals, but if he does you will proclaim the media helped him get there, or the NBA wants him there, or some bullshit.
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^^Wade did it last year in the East...The NBA Eastern Conference is a joke...and the Cavs STILL wont get past Detroit, mark that. LeBron is too soft. He'll get better, but he'll never have that killer instinct.
The East IS a joke, I agree with you there, but surely the West must be a joke too, right? The supposed best team in the league loses in the first round, the horrible, basketball-ruining Suns push the SPurs to 6, yet a team that is, as you said, better than the Suns, is getting destroyed by the Spurs.
By the way, Wade was 24 last year, not 22, had Shaq riding shotgun, and an EXPERIENCED veteran team with him............not exactly the same situation as Lebron and Cleveland.
NIK, i know it has been a tough couple of days for you, from fellow Lakers fans calling you out, to actually referring to your "net status", to Kobe wanting out, to LBJ stepping up...............so i understand you have not been able to clearly comprehend what others are posting. Things will get better! I know you are praying LBj doesn't take his team to the finals, but if he does you will proclaim the media helped him get there, or the NBA wants him there, or some bullshit.
teecee...You're a dickhead who gets offeneded by peoples opinions. You haven't been the first though. Please get off my nuts. I, along with many other people, believe LeBron James is not a clutch player lacking a fire and drive within, and he's proven it time and time again. Not saying that can't change, but as of now, he's not there yet. The Heat last year were no better than the Cavs this year...The west is not a joke, but the league as a whole is far from being at its best stages. Now stop with the random personal attacks, or I'll be forced to delete your meaningless posts. Take a look at your whole last paragaph. It's saying nothing. Simply tryna berate me, and that's all. The Sports section isn't about to become Tha G-Spot...PeACe
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^^Wade did it last year in the East...The NBA Eastern Conference is a joke...and the Cavs STILL wont get past Detroit, mark that. LeBron is too soft. He'll get better, but he'll never have that killer instinct.
The East IS a joke, I agree with you there, but surely the West must be a joke too, right? The supposed best team in the league loses in the first round, the horrible, basketball-ruining Suns push the SPurs to 6, yet a team that is, as you said, better than the Suns, is getting destroyed by the Spurs.
By the way, Wade was 24 last year, not 22, had Shaq riding shotgun, and an EXPERIENCED veteran team with him............not exactly the same situation as Lebron and Cleveland.
NIK, i know it has been a tough couple of days for you, from fellow Lakers fans calling you out, to actually referring to your "net status", to Kobe wanting out, to LBJ stepping up...............so i understand you have not been able to clearly comprehend what others are posting. Things will get better! I know you are praying LBj doesn't take his team to the finals, but if he does you will proclaim the media helped him get there, or the NBA wants him there, or some bullshit.
teecee...You're a dickhead who gets offeneded by peoples opinions. You haven't been the first though. Please get off my nuts. I, along with many other people, believe LeBron James is not a clutch player lacking a fire and drive within, and he's proven it time and time again. Not saying that can't change, but as of now, he's not there yet. The Heat last year were no better than the Cavs this year...The west is not a joke, but the league as a whole is far from being at its best stages. Now stop with the random personal attacks, or I'll be forced to delete your meaningless posts. Take a look at your whole last paragaph. It's saying nothing. Simply tryna berate me, and that's all. The Sports section isn't about to become Tha G-Spot...PeACe
NIK, ask around the forum, the only person who should have their posts deleted is you. You are the one who disses people when they don't agree with you. And, did you even read the first paragraph? Wade is NOT a good comparison, as LBJ doesn't have Shaq riding shotgun.........Honestly man, if you want to delete my posts, go ahead if it will make you feel better about yourself; i don't define my existence by this message board or the internet, so it will not have any effect on me. How you are a mod is beyond me; you attack people who have opinions other than Kobe is the best or the SUns/Nash/LBJ suck, etc. Basically to you, anyone who likes anyone or team who may be seen as a Laker or Kobe rival is ridiculed by you. ANd you want to delete my posts?
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Nik, how do you know he'll never have that killer instinct? ???
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Nik, how do you know he'll never have that killer instinct? ???
NIK is an NBA insider...he knows everything.
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Nik, how do you know he'll never have that killer instinct? ???
I never said I know, I said I don't think he will...That's my opinion, based on watching him play.
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Nik, how do you know he'll never have that killer instinct? ???
NIK is an NBA insider...he knows everything.
Insiders can't predict the future...LMAO.
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Nik, how do you know he'll never have that killer instinct? ???
I never said I know, I said I don't think he will...That's my opinion, based on watching him play.
You said he'll never have the killer instinct without an IMO. So that makes it sound like a fact, unless you clearly said at the beginning of your paragraph or sentence you were speaking out of your ass. Argue all you want you still said that. And I think Mosav was triying to ask why do you think he'll never have the killer instinct. I want to know why you think that too.
And another thing. IF Kobe is traded, which you know there is a high possibility that he will be, what will you say against him once he starts beating your team. I'm just curious. That's unless you switch teams for Kobe. Which is also a high possibility.
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^^Wade did it last year in the East...The NBA Eastern Conference is a joke...and the Cavs STILL wont get past Detroit, mark that. LeBron is too soft. He'll get better, but he'll never have that killer instinct.
The East IS a joke, I agree with you there, but surely the West must be a joke too, right? The supposed best team in the league loses in the first round, the horrible, basketball-ruining Suns push the SPurs to 6, yet a team that is, as you said, better than the Suns, is getting destroyed by the Spurs.
By the way, Wade was 24 last year, not 22, had Shaq riding shotgun, and an EXPERIENCED veteran team with him............not exactly the same situation as Lebron and Cleveland.
NIK, i know it has been a tough couple of days for you, from fellow Lakers fans calling you out, to actually referring to your "net status", to Kobe wanting out, to LBJ stepping up...............so i understand you have not been able to clearly comprehend what others are posting. Things will get better! I know you are praying LBj doesn't take his team to the finals, but if he does you will proclaim the media helped him get there, or the NBA wants him there, or some bullshit.
teecee...You're a dickhead who gets offeneded by peoples opinions. You haven't been the first though. Please get off my nuts. I, along with many other people, believe LeBron James is not a clutch player lacking a fire and drive within, and he's proven it time and time again. Not saying that can't change, but as of now, he's not there yet. The Heat last year were no better than the Cavs this year...The west is not a joke, but the league as a whole is far from being at its best stages. Now stop with the random personal attacks, or I'll be forced to delete your meaningless posts. Take a look at your whole last paragaph. It's saying nothing. Simply tryna berate me, and that's all. The Sports section isn't about to become Tha G-Spot...PeACe
NIK, ask around the forum, the only person who should have their posts deleted is you. You are the one who disses people when they don't agree with you. And, did you even read the first paragraph? Wade is NOT a good comparison, as LBJ doesn't have Shaq riding shotgun.........Honestly man, if you want to delete my posts, go ahead if it will make you feel better about yourself; i don't define my existence by this message board or the internet, so it will not have any effect on me. How you are a mod is beyond me; you attack people who have opinions other than Kobe is the best or the SUns/Nash/LBJ suck, etc. Basically to you, anyone who likes anyone or team who may be seen as a Laker or Kobe rival is ridiculed by you. ANd you want to delete my posts?
I don't want to delete anything, but if your only response is personal insults time after time, then it'll happen. We wanna discuss BASKETBALL here, not how pathetic I am or how many people hate me. You say I attack people, but I MAKE SURE that I don't. In fact, read any Kobe thread, it's usually the other way around. People truly get really upset over what I say because I'm a huge Laker fan with a strong opinion. That's when the attacks start. READ THE POSTS, YOU'RE CLAIMING I DO WHAT YOU JUST DID, WITH NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE....And I'm not gunna have it any more, because it's very pathetic. We can't even discuss basketball anymore without a "NIK, lol, get off Kobe's nuts! you live over here, all you do is hate on Nash. Its cause the Lakers suck and your mad!!! hahahaha"
Seriously though, grow up or keep it basketball...PeACe
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Nik, how do you know he'll never have that killer instinct? ???
I never said I know, I said I don't think he will...That's my opinion, based on watching him play.
You said he'll never have the killer instinct without an IMO. So that makes it sound like a fact, unless you clearly said at the beginning of your paragraph or sentence you were speaking out of your ass. Argue all you want you still said that. And I think Mosav was triying to ask why do you think he'll never have the killer instinct. I want to know why you think that too.
And another thing. IF Kobe is traded, which you know there is a high possibility that he will be, what will you say against him once he starts beating your team. I'm just curious. That's unless you switch teams for Kobe. Which is also a high possibility.
When someone is speaking, it should be pretty clear to anyone with a brain that what the person is saying is their opinion, unless it's a fact. LOL@me having to add "IMO" after every opinion. This whole board is made for opinions. And all your high possibilities were 100% false, so you get no answers...PeACe
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Lets get back to the topic now:
I don't think LeBron will develop that killer instinct because of how he plays, how he gets nervous in crunch-time, biting his nail, how he typically misses more in the 4th quarter and tends to disappear, how he ADMITTED that he doesn't have that natural killer-instince that Kobe has, which you're BORN with...Who knows, maybe he'll prove me wrong...But until then...
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Lets get back to the topic now:
I don't think LeBron will develop that killer instinct because of how he plays, how he gets nervous in crunch-time, biting his nail, how he typically misses more in the 4th quarter and tends to disappear, how he ADMITTED that he doesn't have that natural killer-instince that Kobe has, which you're BORN with...Who knows, maybe he'll prove me wrong...But until then...
Funny how you bring Kobe into every basketball discussion on dubcc LOL.
Ok sorry
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Lets get back to the topic now:
I don't think LeBron will develop that killer instinct because of how he plays, how he gets nervous in crunch-time, biting his nail, how he typically misses more in the 4th quarter and tends to disappear, how he ADMITTED that he doesn't have that natural killer-instince that Kobe has, which you're BORN with...Who knows, maybe he'll prove me wrong...But until then...
The kid is only 22 and he has almost single-handedly brought his team to the ECF. Yes, it is the East, but still, he is by himself! ("By himself" is not to be taken literally. However, most former championship teams have had more than one good/great player [Shaq/Kobe, Shaq/Wade, Duncan/Robinson, Jordan/Pippen])
Some people are possibly born with killer instincts, others learn as they go. He can develop it. Also, who's to say that Jordan or Tiger (by saying Jordan and Tiger I do not mean to discriminate against others, aka Kobe, etc. who have a killer instinct) were born with the killer instinct. Perhaps they were taught as they were growing up from someone, a father or big-brother type, that you have to have a killer instinct to be a champion. Perhaps Lebron wasn't taught that. I don't personally think people are born with a killer instinct, I think it is something you are taught as you grow.
Get the kid another superstar or two allstars and he'll start winning titles. And, just so nobody starts "LOL'ing" or "LMAO'ing," what I mean by that is it normally takes the combination of two superstars or a superstar/two allstars to be successful. (See - Duncan-Ginobili/Parker, Shaq/Kobe, or even Wallace/Wallace/Prince/Billups/Hamilton for the rarest of exceptions....also, All-Star doesn't mean you have to be on the All-Star team, but that you are considered to be a top-tier player)
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Lets get back to the topic now:
I don't think LeBron will develop that killer instinct because of how he plays, how he gets nervous in crunch-time, biting his nail, how he typically misses more in the 4th quarter and tends to disappear, how he ADMITTED that he doesn't have that natural killer-instince that Kobe has, which you're BORN with...Who knows, maybe he'll prove me wrong...But until then...
The kid is only 22 and he has almost single-handedly brought his team to the ECF. Yes, it is the East, but still, he is by himself! ("By himself" is not to be taken literally. However, most former championship teams have had more than one good/great player [Shaq/Kobe, Shaq/Wade, Duncan/Robinson, Jordan/Pippen])
Some people are possibly born with killer instincts, others learn as they go. He can develop it. Also, who's to say that Jordan or Tiger (by saying Jordan and Tiger I do not mean to discriminate against others, aka Kobe, etc. who have a killer instinct) were born with the killer instinct. Perhaps they were taught as they were growing up from someone, a father or big-brother type, that you have to have a killer instinct to be a champion. Perhaps Lebron wasn't taught that. I don't personally think people are born with a killer instinct, I think it is something you are taught as you grow.
Get the kid another superstar or two allstars and he'll start winning titles. And, just so nobody starts "LOL'ing" or "LMAO'ing," what I mean by that is it normally takes the combination of two superstars or a superstar/two allstars to be successful. (See - Duncan-Ginobili/Parker, Shaq/Kobe, or even Wallace/Wallace/Prince/Billups/Hamilton for the rarest of exceptions....also, All-Star doesn't mean you have to be on the All-Star team, but that you are considered to be a top-tier player)
LeBron has a good supporting cast around him. You don't need two superstars. See Detroit in 2004. You need a good system and players that can run it...PeACe
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NIK, you are a mod, lock this thread! It is redundant now, Lebron is clutch, so it is no longer necessary.
Thanks in advance.
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^^ +1
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Lebron just shut down NIK's thread 2nite.
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NIK, you are a mod, lock this thread! It is redundant now, Lebron is clutch, so it is no longer necessary.
Thanks in advance.
You can't go from being a choker to being clutch in a matter of one game. I'll close this thread when the Cavs close out this series.
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i think tonight was the first time i actually saw Lebron wanting the ball during crunch time.He made alot of clutch and tuff jumpers and sealed the game with that layup.Good to see him finally get a bit of that killer instinct lets just hope he doesnt lose it.
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its looking like they are gonna close it out.
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NIK, you are a mod, lock this thread! It is redundant now, Lebron is clutch, so it is no longer necessary.
Thanks in advance.
You can't go from being a choker to being clutch in a matter of one game. I'll close this thread when the Cavs close out this series.
No comments are needed from you NIK, just lock the thread like you said you would! PEACE!
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Props to LeBron.