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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: smartass on August 08, 2004, 10:41:41 AM
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who are the first ones to come to mind?
jadakiss-sorry, you will never be top 5 at any point in your career, much less "top 5 dead or alive off of 1 lp" its sad when it takes someone 9 years to put out their best song, and even then the rest of the album is still mediocore. you will be remembered for the rest of your career as the "go-to-16-guy"
lil wayne-wow, what can i say about this cat? used to have his own style, now hes a certified jay-z biter, and just put out the best album of his career, but its still nowhere near the best album released this year, or the classics cash money put out in their prime. waters down his lyrics for every album release, only to show his true skills on mixtapes(a la fabolous), which more than 3/4 of the world doesn't even doesn't even get to hear.
when you two put out one above average album, then maybe we can talk. 8)
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2pac. slightly overrated. don't get me wrong,he was a great rapper, but not as flawless as most people claim he is.
saigon. everybody was sayin that he was the next big thing. but i think he sucks. he is a bit of an attention whore IMO
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I dont know if anyone thinks pac was flawless, and to be honest he isnt your typical lyrical mc like nas or even jay-z or biggie, e had his own style and brought so much to the game, if anything nowadays he is underrated because all these 2pac internet groupies big him up so much as like god or something that some people just get sick of him. It doesnt help that all the music of his that has came out since he passed is recycled and only average....
as for overrated, id go with jadakiss (love his voice but dude cant make an album)
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because all these 2pac internet groupies big him up so much as like god or something that some people just get sick of him.
thats what i ment.
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lloyd banks.. he has some good punchlines but i can't bump his album.
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2PAC.
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Jay Z, half his shit is whack in my opinion.
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First one that come to mind is Fabolous. He's good, but overrated.
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jay z, game, kanye
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2pac is overated but hes still the best rapper of all time...
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jay z
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I hate to say it but Snoop Dogg.
He has been getting way repetitive of late
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jay z
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game
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Jay-Z - got a few nice tracks on every album, but he's hella over-rated
Lloyd Banks - great punch lines, but he dont talk about shiet
The Notorious BIG - if he was alive I doubt if everyone would be callin him the 2nd greatest rapper of all tme
Jadakiss - great flow, nice with the lyrics, but he cant put out a good album
Young Buck - if he wasnt with G-Unit no one would care about him or his songs/albums
Kanye West - there was only about 5 tracks I was feelin on his album. and its sad when ur your own biggest fan
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atm id say banks, his album was naah.. sounded like one of those mixtapes, and every1 is hyping him as best artist of g-unit.
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50 cent , Lloyd Banks , Game , Jay-Z , Kanye West , Eminem
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KRS-ONE - Yes, he's a legend, yes, he's a good MC, but on the mic he is not one of the best ever and he overrates himself by thinkin 1. so & 2. he's in the position to define hiphop and set rules as to how it has to be done, spelt, etc. I don't like him for that and he got sum real die-hard fans
ODB - Nobody would claim he's lyrically good, but except actin like a psycho and living up to his name, this guy ain't done that much. I just think since 94 he didn't have to put much effort into bein liked cause people were just feelin his crazy ass style which don't require alot IMO
Game - Definition of a average MC
Eazy-E - Of course he was extremly important to west coast gangsta hiphop and I'm not tryin to play down his influence...but on the mic he wasn't all that, he didn't have one helluva flow and from what I know he didn't write all his lyrics himself
Common - What comes to (my) mind thinkin of Common is just this whiny, undifferentiated song about hiphop's status quo that was "I Used To Love H.E.R." that people like to praise him for...and i admit it took me a while to realize how unimaginitive i found this song too. Just my opinion, don't hate, but while he might deserve more public attention (he IS a good MC no doubt) many "backpack hiphop" heads are on his nuts waay too much
the only one mentioned i don't really have respect for is Game, all the others are/were dope in their ways, but tend to get dick-ridden
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I think Common is one of the best mc's ever (disregarding that horrible last album) and i am hardly a backpacker! I bump some spice 1 and throw on some common, its all hiphop. If common isnt your sound, thats cool, but to me he has got to be one of the most underrated ever.....of course, his impact on hiphop hasn't been what jay or nas have done, so all around i can see your point i guess
as for jay z, i never really started to appreciate him until the black album dropped. I liked reasonable doubt when it dropped, but NOONe at the time thought it was even close to a classic, just a very good cd with nothing new to bring to the game. I DO think Blueprint is a classic however, at first i didnt but i see why people think thhat now. Jay's catalogue is amazing, perhaps the best ever in rap (and this is coming from a huge nas fan, and former jay z hater for a couple of years)...yeah, jay has released wack cds (blueprint 2 being the best example) but he dropped so many hits, and had such a huge impact, its hard to say hes overrated, he is probably one mc who would never become irrelevant , could rap til he was 50 and still make hits (and pretty good albums)
as for kanye, he is both overrated and underrated. some people hate because of all the samples, but how is what he does on the production tip different than what Dre did on songs like Nuthin but a g thang or Lil Ghetto boy (dont get your panties in a knot, dre shits on kanye!)........kanye is actually better on the mic than people give him credit for also, he is like a new millenium warren g, not the best rapper but the way he says his shit combined with his production equals good MUSIC, even if he isnt the most lyrical. and despite all his bragging, he does have some pretty original and thought provoking songs like Family business and Never let ya down.............right now he is way overexposed, its sad but with the state of the game everyone needs the hottest producer for their disc, and kanye is that man right now.
Regardless of what u think of kanye, who in the past couple of years has dropped a better all around DEBUT album? What NEW rapper has gave us a great cd, one that gets critical and COMMERCIAL success?
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I think Common is one of the best mc's ever (disregarding that horrible last album) and i am hardly a backpacker! I bump some spice 1 and throw on some common, its all hiphop. If common isnt your sound, thats cool, but to me he has got to be one of the most underrated ever.....of course, his impact on hiphop hasn't been what jay or nas have done, so all around i can see your point i guess
as i said, i think Common is good and as for the word backpacker i can't stand that term anyways, especially cause I'm sumbody who can go from Brotha Lynch Hung straight to Little Brother too if I feel like it...i like common, but i think many people, especially those limiting themselves to the type of hiphop he does, overrate him, "I Used To Love HER" bein my fav example cause that song is lame and overloaded with cliches IMO
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2pac was overrated in the sense that some people look up to him like he was a god or some shit, and on the other hand, theres those underground backpacker nerds who think he wasn't any good because he didn't have to spit a whole bunch of big words which don't even make sense in the first place, or because he didn't constantly use similies and metaphors.
common is hardly an overrated mc, if anything, he is still underrated. his wordplay is some of the best ever, he released one classic album, one of the best disses of all time, good lyricist, nice flow, and hes definetly the most improved mc ever. listen to how amateur he sounded on can i borrow a dollar? compared to resurrection. he was like an entirely different mc. even gza didnt make that big of a leap from words of the genius to liquid swords. just for the record, i used to love her is more relevant today than it was in 94.
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Overrated emcees... hum...
first off, 2Pac is not overrated. His the greatest rapper that ever lived, that's like say Jordan is overrated. Hell, people called Jordan the god of basketball, and Michael Irvin once called Jerry Rice god on cleats... lol. 2Pac was never compared to God, just Jesus... lmao. So in that case, his underrated 'cause he doesn't get the God comparisions... lmao.
Honestly, 'Pac ain't overrated. His style was too different, and he was too lyrical, and had too deep of a message to be overrated.
Kanye is overrated I think on the mic. His not that nice on the mic, but his production is top notch. His the leader of the next generation of top producers. We'll see who follows.
Jada is far from overrated. Who's the best since Biggie's death. You'll know it when Jada says he left. His a great rapper, but he can't put together a classic album, but no one ever said he'd have a classic album.
Now, overrated rappers:
Jay-Z: Up until the Black Album, I wondered why people were on his nutts. He had Reasonable Doubt and Vol.1 and the Blueprint and Black Out. The rest were average or below average (Dynasty, Gift and the Curse) he ended and began his career on top, but the middle was not that great. His lose against Nas, Dynasty, Vol. 3, Blueprint 2. His ups out weigh his downs, but still, his proven to not be as untouchable as people claim.
Crooked I: Ok hear me out. His nice, very nice. But his running out of shit. By the time his album finally comes out, he'll be a typical fuck that bitch westcoast rapper.
50 Cent and G-Unit: I love 50, I love G-Unit. But when Lloyd Banks flopped, I had to say the whole G-Unit 'cause he is built to be their best, and he came softer than pillows. That reflects the whole G-Unit camp. Their big plus, they beat Murder Inc. in a battle, that's like saying you shot a Care Bear. Unless your fucking with Grumpy Bear, you get no props on the streets from that.
Eazy-E: He didn't write his own lyrics, and he didn't know how to keep a beat, he had to be coached by Dr. Dre. Godfather of Gangsta Rap 'cause he really lived the life. But real, and actually being able to rap are two different things. And I love Eazy-E.
Lil' Rob: I love Lil' Rob, but his not as great as people make him out to be. His content doesn't change, his lyrics don't change, half the time his beats don't change.
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Yea, Eazy e is overrated because he didn't write his own rhymes. He was the Character type guy tho. Thats what makes him a legend.
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50, Kanye, Em, B.I.G. and Talib
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50 cent is the most overated rapper EVER.
He lives off the fact that he got shot. Im getting sick of him saying that just like im getting sick of kerry saying he was a Nam vet.
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But when Lloyd Banks flopped, I had to say the whole G-Unit 'cause he is built to be their best
How is 2 weeks @ #1 on the billboard for a debut album, and platinum after 1 single a flop.. ???
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^I knew yo g-g-g-groupie ass was gone say somethin about that
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LOL @ Banks flopping.
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banks flopped in the sense he didnt put out the album fans know he is capable of putting out. sales wise tho, nah he put up great numbers.
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banks flopped in the sense he didnt put out the album fans know he is capable of putting out. sales wise tho, nah he put up great numbers.
basically, adding to being overrated. People were expecting a tight ass album, and they all bought a weak album with a couple of decent songs. Huge hype, weak album = flop
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Jay-z - he's got some tight songs and all but seriously he's no where near one of the all time greats....IMO he's just good at picking producers
50 cent- i genuinely like the dude, but he's weak and kinda always has been, How to rob was cool cuz it was different not cuz it was written well.
Missy Elliot-i don't get how people say "she's an innovator" when i see people doing some shit that she does 6 months before she does it.
Jadakiss-like homie said above...a couple hot songs don't make you a legend, maybe an elite MC in today's rap scene...but then again that's not saying much AT ALL when you think of all the bullshit that's floating around .
about common- id on't think he's overrated , because he does what he does and he does it well...but there's no denying what he does is corny and 'try-hard'
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^I knew yo g-g-g-groupie ass was gone say somethin about that
Shut your wannabe baby gangsta ass up.
Platinum = Success, end of story.
Nelly makes some wack ass CD's, but he goes multi platinum, so they're labeled successes.
The quality doesn't have anthing to say, you sell albums = means you didn't flop.
basically, adding to being overrated. People were expecting a tight ass album, and they all bought a weak album with a couple of decent songs. Huge hype, weak album = flop
No.
The album might have been disappointing to you and some, but that's not equal to flopping, esp. when you're platinum.
A few select people didn't like Dre's 2001, does that mean it flopped.. ?
No.
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Jome: I hope dickryding becomes a sport. I got faith you'd be rich.
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Jome: I hope dickryding becomes a sport. I got faith you'd be rich.
ha ha that shit is so true
Peep game homie, when it comes to being overrate, that means someone is not as good as we all thing, regardless of sales. Now Lloyd Banks, I like him. I got his CD, couldn't wait to listen to it. I was all excited. I was one of his platnum buyers... lol. But just because I bought the CD, doesn't mean I liked it. Same goes with many people. His overrated. We all thought he'd be tight, and his CD was a dissappointment. In terms of living up to his promised, he flopped. His CD was average at best, as his album doesn't justify his sales. My G-Unit loving cousin didn't like the CD. Of course right now his discovering Murs, Immortal Technique, Supernatural, and many other rappers that'll keep him away from mainstream for a while so who knows if he'll be a G-Unit fan anymore. The botomline is his CD was just average, if even that. He sold over 1,000,000 copies, so 1,000,000 people bought that CD thinking it was going to be tight. Now with Nelly, you can't call him a flop, he releases a second CD, and people bought it 'cause the liked the first. You can't compare Nelly to Lloyd. As for Dre, well whatever you release, some people wouldn't like it. But, most people like Dre, most people were dissappointed in Lloyd. Huge difference. Get over it, until Lloyd Banks releases a good album, his overrated.
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i don't see how Jome is dickridin. You don't usually use the word 'flop' for sumthin that did great commercially but that u were disappointed in personally. "Nellyville" wasn't a flop either...so actually his point is correct. And no, I'm not a fan of that album, I didn't even bother to listen to the whole thing. I agree on Banks bein overrated
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Jome: I hope dickryding becomes a sport. I got faith you'd be rich.
LMAO
How's that blood gangbang shit going down in Toronto btw.. ??
Just because I break down the term "flop" for you, I'm dickriding.. ??
Moron, trying to change the topic.. didn't work.
In terms of living up to his promised, he flopped.
Why didn't you say so in the first place !?!?
Get over it, until Lloyd Banks releases a good album, his overrated.
Get over it?, get over what?, lmao, you think I give a shit what other people think..
I'm just here to explain to you the difference between "flop", "overrated" and "disappointment".
They're not the same.
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Talib
How is Talib overrated. Every verse he spits, there is at least one line in there that makes me go :o
I agree with Jake La Motta about Missy Elliot, I fail to see how she is such an innovator, half of her shit is plain annoying more than anything. Its no wonder no one else is doing the stuff she's doing, because her stuff is wack.
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Talib
How is Talib overrated. Every verse he spits, there is at least one line in there that makes me go :o
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50, Jay-Z, Missy, Jada, Fab, Lil Wayne, Nelly, Kanye all very over rated but I can't believe no ones said Snoop he hasn't ever lived up to the standard of Doggystyle.
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I agree with Jake La Motta about Missy Elliot, I fail to see how she is such an innovator, half of her shit is plain annoying more than anything. Its no wonder no one else is doing the stuff she's doing, because her stuff is wack.
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50, Jay-Z, Missy, Jada, Fab, Lil Wayne, Nelly, Kanye all very over rated but I can't believe no ones said Snoop he hasn't ever lived up to the standard of Doggystyle.
because it's like Nas, when a artist puts out a debut classic, it's unfair to judge them by that. The simple fact is Doggystyle is a classic, Top Dogg, Last Meal, Doggfather, they were all good albums, The Game Is To Be Told Not Sold and Paid The Cost To Be The Boss both sucked, so what you have is an artist that puts out good albums when he decides not to name them long ass names, and he came out with a classic his first time out. The Eastsidaz albums where both really good, and there you go, as long as your not calling him GOAT, which not even the hardest Snoop dickryder calls him, you have a legendary artist with a good catalog to back up that claim.
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I agree with Jake La Motta about Missy Elliot, I fail to see how she is such an innovator, half of her shit is plain annoying more than anything. Its no wonder no one else is doing the stuff she's doing, because her stuff is wack.
nuthin to add there
and M Dogg, the hardest Snoop dickriders DO label him the GOAT and there's enuff of them. Two or three months ago there was that topic in the main section statin exactly that. Matter of fact it was called "Snoop = GOAT"
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M Doggs an idiot dont listen to him
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I agree with Jake La Motta about Missy Elliot, I fail to see how she is such an innovator, half of her shit is plain annoying more than anything. Its no wonder no one else is doing the stuff she's doing, because her stuff is wack.
nuthin to add there
and M Dogg, the hardest Snoop dickriders DO label him the GOAT and there's enuff of them. Two or three months ago there was that topic in the main section statin exactly that. Matter of fact it was called "Snoop = GOAT"
I usually don't count the board as a valid place of peoples opinion, because too many of them are under 16 and don't know enough about hip-hop to have a real opinion. Now some youngsters know they shit, but most don't. But I live in Cali, and to say there's a lot of Snoop dickriders is to be a huge understatement. I know lots and lots of Snoopy dickriders, but most will tell you 2Pac is the GOAT. Maybe it's just a Cali thing though to call 'Pac GOAT no matter what :-\
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Kanye West - there was only about 5 tracks I was feelin on his album. and its sad when ur your own biggest fan
LMAO
Def Jadakiss. Dude fuckin sucks ass.