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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Rizzle on May 26, 2005, 04:16:33 AM
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An inmate at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp accused US guards of flushing a Koran down the toilet in 2002, newly declassified FBI documents reveal.
The disclosure follows a row over a similar claim made in Newsweek, which the magazine was forced to retract.
The Newsweek report sparked protests across the Muslim world, and riots in Afghanistan that killed 15 people.
The Pentagon said last week it had seen "no credible and specific allegations" about putting a Koran in a toilet.
Newsweek last week apologised for, and then retracted its report, after saying it could no longer corroborate the story.
The guards dance around when the detainees are trying to pray - the guards still do these things
FBI agent's report on detainee's claim
The White House rounded on the magazine, saying its report had done "lasting damage" to the US image in the Muslim world.
But the FBI documents made public on Wednesday, after a request from the human rights group American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), show that such allegations had been made at Guantanamo Bay.
After interviewing a detainee, an unnamed FBI agent wrote on 1 August 2002: "Personally, he has nothing against the United States. The guards in the detention facility do not treat him well. Their behaviour is bad.
"About five months ago, the guards beat the detainees. They flushed a Koran in the toilet.
"The guards dance around when the detainees are trying to pray. The guards still do these things."
Guantanamo 'gulag'
The ACLU said the documents showed the Pentagon was aware of such allegations being made at Guantanamo Bay long ago, but had repeatedly turned a blind eye to "mounting evidence of widespread abuse".
The Pentagon did not immediately comment on the documents, but officials have said recently that various claims made by former detainees have been proved false.
Officials say they have begun comparing detainee complaints to see if any are corroborated.
ACLU lawyer Jameel Jaffer said: "Unfortunately, one thing we've learned over the last couple of years is that detainee statements about their treatment at Guantanamo and other detention centres sometimes have turned out to be more credible than US government statements."
Other FBI documents released on Wednesday detailed further accusations, including one by a detainee who said a female interrogator wiped his face with her menstrual blood.
Meanwhile Amnesty International urged the US to shut Guantanamo Bay, calling it "the gulag of our time".
In a report the group said the US had undermined human rights across the world, by trying to "redefine and sanitise torture".
The White House dismissed the report as "ridiculous and unsupported".
Spokesman Scott McClellan said allegations of mistreatment were being investigated.
More than 500 people are being held at Guantanamo Bay, the US naval base on Cuba, suspected of links to the al-Qaeda network.
Some have been detained for more than three years, but have not been charged.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/4581383.stm
englewood any comment?
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You can't flush a book down a toilet. Try it.
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some times i need to flush the toilet twice on some of my shits, and they are no where near the size of the koran even though they are simliar in many other ways
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thats just crazy
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that koran had to be the size of my finger.
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that koran had to be the size of my finger.
We're not talking about your penis here. Anyways, I know most of you must've made it through elementary school, so let's use some critical thinking here. Let's say the guard was a genius, I'm talking Einstein here, and he figured out that if he tears the pages out and dumpe 'em in the toilet, they will flush down. Yes I know, it takes a lot of creativity and imagination to come up with some master plan like this, but it is possible.
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An inmate
No comment needed, but I will anyway:
Once again, take a look at http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/manualpart1_4.pdf
Take a look at page 16 of this al queda training packet.
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An inmate at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp accused US guards of flushing a Koran down the toilet in 2002,
No comment needed.
I agree. It's true, and now this government is trying to cover up its tracks, but thanks to bright minds like you, we're able to see the truth.
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that koran had to be the size of my finger.
We're not talking about your penis here. Anyways, I know most of you must've made it through elementary school, so let's use some critical thinking here. Let's say the guard was a genius, I'm talking Einstein here, and he figured out that if he tears the pages out and dumpe 'em in the toilet, they will flush down. Yes I know, it takes a lot of creativity and imagination to come up with some master plan like this, but it is possible.
looool
homie u killin it
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I agree. It's true, and now this government is trying to cover up its tracks, but thanks to bright minds like you, we're able to see the truth.
Cover up its tracks?!
It's sick that you want this story to be true so bad you're taking the word of terrorists over elected officials!
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^^ elected?? lol
yea right
*coughs*FLORIDA*coughs*
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^^ elected?? lol
yea right
*coughs*FLORIDA*coughs*
I really don't think you have any right to judge another countries electoral process when women in your country just gained the right to vote less than a month ago. Not to mention, if it wasn't for America, you'd be living in the 19th province of Iraq.
But all that’s besides the fact that George Bush was reelected in 2004.
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Good for the soldier. I would flush the bible down the toilet too if it got people to talk. I hope they do it on a daily basis.
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^^ elected?? lol
yea right
*coughs*FLORIDA*coughs*
I really don't think you have any right to judge another countries electoral process when women in your country just gained the right to vote less than a month ago. Not to mention, if it wasn't for America, you'd be living in the 19th province of Iraq.
But all that’s besides the fact that George Bush was reelected in 2004.
if it wasnt for our oil that u saved u'd freezing right now lil kid
and yea women just got their political rights, how does that piss u off? atleast that proves that there r ppl in my country that r fighting for real democracy, and democracy was the reason women didnt get their rights...
any ways am not gonna waste my time arguing with a kid....
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Not to mention, if it wasn't for America, you'd be living in the 19th province of Iraq.
Do your research on why Saddam was angry with Kuwait, and who gave Saddam the green light to invade. The answer to both questions is America.
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^^ elected?? lol
yea right
*coughs*FLORIDA*coughs*
I really don't think you have any right to judge another countries electoral process when women in your country just gained the right to vote less than a month ago. Not to mention, if it wasn't for America, you'd be living in the 19th province of Iraq.
But all that’s besides the fact that George Bush was reelected in 2004.
if it wasnt for our oil that u saved u'd freezing right now lil kid
and yea women just got their political rights, how does that piss u off? atleast that proves that there r ppl in my country that r fighting for real democracy, and democracy was the reason women didnt get their rights...
any ways am not gonna waste my time arguing with a kid....
Not even 1% of the oil in Alaska has been tapped. We straight. I can handle rising gas prices, but can you handle the fact that once all the oil is tapped in the middle east, that area will pretty much be a non-factor to the rest of the world? I'm not trying to diss. I'd love it if America cut ties to the rest of the world too. Globalization is the reason we live like we do today in the midst of pop culture trying to prove to you (the majority of society) aren't worthless and you can make them money. But don't act like the middle eastern oil is a crutch hold up the rest of the world. Very soon, like in the next 10 years, hydrogen will take over the automobile industry, and yall will be out of the job anyways.
And how do you figure that democracy was the reason women in the middle east didn't have rights?
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^^ kuwait is str8 w/o oil too
we aint had the oil money during the war in 1990
but all the kuwaities who were spendin their vacations outside kuwait stayed in 5 stars hotels for 6 months cause of our investment money
do u have any idea how kuwaiti and saudi arabian money is runnin in the american and european market??
like 40-60% of gas station in europe r owned by kuwait...
we aint low educated mutha fuckaz... we know how to get our hustle
from trading routes, to sellin pearls to selling fish to sellin oil to investing... kuwaities been well off for a long while
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i remember watching a docu on kuwait am i right isn saying you guys don't pay tax and you get given a hour or money when your married. now thats the kind of goverment i want even if i don't get to vote fotr it
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^^ lol yea u get 4000 dinars (12000 $) when u get married
u get a loan from the gov to build ur own house
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They should burn every copy of the koran. piece of shit book causing all this trouble
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They should burn every copy of the koran. piece of shit book causing all this trouble
You and Infintie should have a thread where you two just agrue wih each other and share your inspirational ideas on life. You guys are the ying and yang of ignorance. Make it a sticky so we can all read it with out having to look for it, and every poster on the forum can lower their IQ a little bit with each discussion you two have.
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I'm glad he burned the thing. These are prisoners, they should be raping and humiliating them daily.
Anyways, in the first Gulf War, they wouldn't let George Bush Sr. pray on Saudi Arabian soil. They search your clothes and throw away everything they find.
This is typical of a muslim ran country, so I'm not going to cry over a Koran getting ripped apart.
Lastly; it probably never even happened.
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I'm glad he burned the thing. These are prisoners, they should be raping and humiliating them daily.
Anyways, in the first Gulf War, they wouldn't let George Bush Sr. pray on Saudi Arabian soil. They search your clothes and throw away everything they find.
This is typical of a muslim ran country, so I'm not going to cry over a Koran getting ripped apart.
Lastly; it probably never even happened.
You're not very Christian for a mormon.
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I'm glad he burned the thing. These are prisoners, they should be raping and humiliating them daily.
Anyways, in the first Gulf War, they wouldn't let George Bush Sr. pray on Saudi Arabian soil. They search your clothes and throw away everything they find.
This is typical of a muslim ran country, so I'm not going to cry over a Koran getting ripped apart.
Lastly; it probably never even happened.
yeah, because they do stuff like that, we should do it too. That's a stupid way to think.
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the whole koran down the toilet doesn't really bother me at all but what does bother me is the american lies when it is well documented that americans use religious humiliation as way of extracting information, its another classic case of americans saying one thing but in reality doing the complete opposite that is why you guys lack any form of credibility
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The american government also uses the acceptance of religion to brainwash people, eg. mandatory twelve step program for drug offenders which requires submital to god. why isnt that in the news everyday? oh yeah because its better to get whiney over something that affects brown people cuz it'll make our bleeding heart white liberals feel better. ha!