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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: King Tech Quadafi on November 23, 2002, 01:59:27 PM
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Hey Drama Queen, I did what ya asked..
stupid biitch thinks Em has 3 classics.....
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1 classic and 2 very dope albums...SSLP was classic...MMLP and Eminem Show are very dope 4/5 albums...He was part of 2001 so he's been on 2 classics...
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look, i respect him and dr. dre, but some beats on TES were bad ( some tracks sound like Pop- music ) the other two albums were good, but not classic!
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no
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only the one :O
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Yes. Eminem has 3 classics. And no, I wasn't introduced to hip-hop with "My Name Is." I had been an avid fan since the Chronic dropped in 93.
Eminem's 3 albums are superior albums. Lyrically they are equal to "Illmatic" and the production is equal to "2001".
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Yes. Eminem has 3 classics. And no, I wasn't introduced to hip-hop with "My Name Is." I had been an avid fan since the Chronic dropped in 93.
Eminem's 3 albums are superior albums. Lyrically they are equal to "Illmatic" and the production is equal to "2001".
Slow your roll homie...Equal to Illmatic?...Production to 2001?...Your comparing his albums to THE BEST LYRICAL ALBUM OF ALL TIME...I like Eminem but he ain't seeing Nas in his Illmatic days...And the Eminem show has wack beats compared to 2001 which is 5/5 in terms of production...
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Fuck no he doesnt have 3 classics. Do you know how hard it is to make 3 classics?? Even some of the all times greats, who are far greater than Em, dont have 3 classics. Making 3 classic albums is a rarity. And NONE of Em's albums are even close to Illmatic. Whoever says otherwise is a blatant dickrider.
I think Em is one of the best MC's alive today, but I dont consider any of his albums to be classic.
My list of artists who've made 3 classics:
2Pac
Wu Tang Clan
Tribe Called Quest
Ice Cube
Outkast
Gang Starr
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"Nah, maybe one classic, but definitely not 3"
"Slim Shady lp" came outta nowhere and opened the door for this talented rapper but since then.......his comedy and shock value have became more like hitting repeat on "My name is..."
Eminem has alot of dope collab's & features on soundtrack's such as:
"Words are weapons"
"If I get locked up tonight"
"Don't approach me"
"Bad influence"
"Renegades"
"8-mile OST"...ect
which makes one wonder why he wastes such rhymes on his actual cd's and places filler's instead such as:
"The real slim Shady"
"I'm back"
"Amityville"
"KIM"
"Under the influence"
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"Business"
"Square dance"
"Drips"
"Without me"
"Say what you say"
Dope beats....but what else..?
Those tracks ImO are not going to last in content and replay value over the years....the subject matter bout his wife and Mother will change over the years and names mentioned in those rap's will be forgotten over time and make one say why the fuck did they get mentioned?.....plus can you imagine a concert in 10 years with Eminem dissin' those peep's?....lol
If Eminem was to place the track's from "8-mile" for those highlited song's from "The Eminem show" then we would have 2 classic's instead of one....ImO
He's not GOD....
He's not Invincible...
He's just a good rapper remember there is plenty of those.
His Fanatic's are prick's who are using his name in a context that will take an entire lifetime to use along side with him.
The song "Stan" is a Gem cause of them...
I've heard worse....and better.
To me he is just another voice of the moment it happen's people this is music..
Where will u be in 10 years?
OnE
Hatesrats 2oo2
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Eminem is the God M.C. He has three classics. He has made the greatest songs in the history of mankind with "Cleaning Out My Closet" and "Lose Yourself". He is the best lyricist because he can spit multi-syllables and his subject matter is the most original ever. He got second place in the Rap Olympics although he used those lines before but he still was second place. WE COULD HAVE BEEN TOGETHER!
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Yes. Eminem has 3 classics. And no, I wasn't introduced to hip-hop with "My Name Is." I had been an avid fan since the Chronic dropped in 93.
Eminem's 3 albums are superior albums. Lyrically they are equal to "Illmatic" and the production is equal to "2001".
i mos definetley agree
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Yes. Eminem has 3 classics. And no, I wasn't introduced to hip-hop with "My Name Is." I had been an avid fan since the Chronic dropped in 93.
Eminem's 3 albums are superior albums. Lyrically they are equal to "Illmatic" and the production is equal to "2001".
agreed
illmatic is lyrically (rhyming wise) better and 2001 is produced better though
sslp=classic
mmlp=classic
eminem show=classic....your a musical scrub if you can't appreciate this album
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Fuck no he doesnt have 3 classics. Do you know how hard it is to make 3 classics?? Even some of the all times greats, who are far greater than Em, dont have 3 classics. Making 3 classic albums is a rarity. And NONE of Em's albums are even close to Illmatic. Whoever says otherwise is a blatant dickrider.
I think Em is one of the best MC's alive today, but I dont consider any of his albums to be classic.
My list of artists who've made 3 classics:
2Pac
Wu Tang Clan
Tribe Called Quest
Ice Cube
Outkast
Gang Starr
2pac yes has 3 classics
tribe yes has 3 classics
Cube yes has 3 and then some classics
outkast yes has 3 and then some
but the only wu tang album that is classic is enter the wu.....the w and iron flag were straight up bullshit, wu tang forever was too long and a 4 mic album even if you trimmed of the fat....solo albums don't count towards a group classic, and if you want to know the truth i don't think gangstar have 1 classic......the closest they've come is 4.5, but i won't give any of their albums a 5
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I'm a big as fan of Eminem as anyone.....but does anyone else think that when hes on mixtapes, freestyles, guest appearences, that his shit is leaps and bounds ahead of his album shit? Oh and I think he has only dropped one classic album , with the others being great, but not classic in my opinion
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This has to be the most foolish thing Ive ever heard on this board
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I think as far as his albums go he has 1 legit classic (SSLP), the other 2 are great albums but not quite classics imo, maybe that will all change in a few years though, I mean alot of albums weren't considered classics by alot of people when they first dropped i.e "Illmatic". Classics are like fine wines, they get better with time ;) lol. Naw but seriously, i'd give Em a classic rating for "Infinite" too, so i'd say he has 2 classic records right now. He's had plenty of classic songs though.
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He does not have 3 classics.
It's kinda strange argumenting that SSLP is classic just because it was "new and fresh", when MMLP & ES was better both lyrically & beat-wise.
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1 Classic album dat was SSLP... PERIOD.
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This has to be the most foolish thing Ive ever heard on this board
trust me, theres been worse lol. and whats so bad about this topic?
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no he doesnt even have 1 classic
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Fuck no he doesnt have 3 classics. Do you know how hard it is to make 3 classics?? Even some of the all times greats, who are far greater than Em, dont have 3 classics. Making 3 classic albums is a rarity. And NONE of Em's albums are even close to Illmatic. Whoever says otherwise is a blatant dickrider.
I think Em is one of the best MC's alive today, but I dont consider any of his albums to be classic.
My list of artists who've made 3 classics:
2Pac
Wu Tang Clan
Tribe Called Quest
Ice Cube
Outkast
Gang Starr
2pac yes has 3 classics
tribe yes has 3 classics
Cube yes has 3 and then some classics
outkast yes has 3 and then some
but the only wu tang album that is classic is enter the wu.....the w and iron flag were straight up bullshit, wu tang forever was too long and a 4 mic album even if you trimmed of the fat....solo albums don't count towards a group classic, and if you want to know the truth i don't think gangstar have 1 classic......the closest they've come is 4.5, but i won't give any of their albums a 5
Cuban Linx and Liquid Swords count, because they were basically group albums with Raekwon and GZA on every song.....they're just as much group albums as Enter The Wu is.......
And Gang Starr dont have any classics?? ROFLMAO....Moment Of Truth is one of the greatest albums ever, and Daily Operation and Hard 2 Earn are definatly arguably classics.
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no he doesnt even have 1 classic
LOL ooooooooooooooook
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Em doesnt have a classic
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Em doesnt have a classic
There's an album that came out within the last few years...It's called the SlimShady LP...You should give it a listen...
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lol this board is funny... Ur always callin the debut albums classics but cant admit it if the rapper actually drops another classic.. in my opinion, we gotta give his albums some time before we judge
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lol this board is funny... Ur always callin the debut albums classics but cant admit it if the rapper actually drops another classic.. in my opinion, we gotta give his albums some time before we judge
Yes indeed.
According to this board, all rappers first album are always classic.
And from there it goes downhill, resulting in "falling off" when the rapper might infact release his best album.
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eminem show is the only album i liked
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lol this board is funny... Ur always callin the debut albums classics but cant admit it if the rapper actually drops another classic.. in my opinion, we gotta give his albums some time before we judge
Yes indeed.
According to this board, all rappers first album are always classic.
And from there it goes downhill, resulting in "falling off" when the rapper might infact release his best album.
Not all rapper's debut's are classic, but in many cases you'll find that the first is always the best because they are hungrier then, they tend to put their all into their first. But take 2Pac for instance, he got better with every album, and alot of people don't consider his first a classic. It all depends, but I personally wouldn't call an album 'classic' simply because it's a debut, thats just stupid.
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lol this board is funny... Ur always callin the debut albums classics but cant admit it if the rapper actually drops another classic.. in my opinion, we gotta give his albums some time before we judge
Yes indeed.
According to this board, all rappers first album are always classic.
And from there it goes downhill, resulting in "falling off" when the rapper might infact release his best album.
Not all rapper's debut's are classic, but in many cases you'll find that the first is always the best because they are hungrier then, they tend to put their all into their first. But take 2Pac for instance, he got better with every album, and alot of people don't consider his first a classic. It all depends, but I personally wouldn't call an album 'classic' simply because it's a debut, thats just stupid.
Looked from the other side, you might say that rappers gets more skilled, smarter & more polished when they have been in the game for a while.
Rappers 1st albums often sound a little amateurish beat-wise, a little shaky & maybe a little childish lyric-wise, and the rapper might even rhyme the same words, and sometimes also the wrong words.
People give them props because they haven't heard the rapper before, and therefore not his voice & maybe not his beats. It's new and exciting.
When the 2nd & 3rd album arrive, we all know his talent, his problems in life, his mama & his daughter/son, and we have heard a little of his story before, even if it's much better told now.
We have heard it before, it's old news.
That is the reason why so many people call 1st albums classic.
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lol this board is funny... Ur always callin the debut albums classics but cant admit it if the rapper actually drops another classic.. in my opinion, we gotta give his albums some time before we judge
Yes indeed.
According to this board, all rappers first album are always classic.
And from there it goes downhill, resulting in "falling off" when the rapper might infact release his best album.
Not all rapper's debut's are classic, but in many cases you'll find that the first is always the best because they are hungrier then, they tend to put their all into their first. But take 2Pac for instance, he got better with every album, and alot of people don't consider his first a classic. It all depends, but I personally wouldn't call an album 'classic' simply because it's a debut, thats just stupid.
2pac is a rare exception...Nas, Biggie, Jay-z, Snoop , 4 of the biggest rappers of all time all had classic 1st albums and never duplicated them...Stillmatic, Blueprint, LAD and Doggfather were all dope but not close to their debuts...
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Eminem has nothing even close to a classic. His albums are always a watered down shell of the battle rapper Eminem that I like. All he does is whine about irrelevant things on his albums...
Slim Shady LP---Above Average
Marshall Mathers LP---Below Average
Eminem Show---Average
It's that simple. All of you dickriders need to get off his beats too. They're okay, but there are so many other better producers its ridiculous...
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Fuck no he doesnt have 3 classics. Do you know how hard it is to make 3 classics?? Even some of the all times greats, who are far greater than Em, dont have 3 classics. Making 3 classic albums is a rarity. And NONE of Em's albums are even close to Illmatic. Whoever says otherwise is a blatant dickrider.
I think Em is one of the best MC's alive today, but I dont consider any of his albums to be classic.
My list of artists who've made 3 classics:
2Pac
Wu Tang Clan
Tribe Called Quest
Ice Cube
Outkast
Gang Starr
2pac yes has 3 classics
tribe yes has 3 classics
Cube yes has 3 and then some classics
outkast yes has 3 and then some
but the only wu tang album that is classic is enter the wu.....the w and iron flag were straight up bullshit, wu tang forever was too long and a 4 mic album even if you trimmed of the fat....solo albums don't count towards a group classic, and if you want to know the truth i don't think gangstar have 1 classic......the closest they've come is 4.5, but i won't give any of their albums a 5
Cuban Linx and Liquid Swords count, because they were basically group albums with Raekwon and GZA on every song.....they're just as much group albums as Enter The Wu is.......
And Gang Starr dont have any classics?? ROFLMAO....Moment Of Truth is one of the greatest albums ever, and Daily Operation and Hard 2 Earn are definatly arguably classics.
fine then NWA have 20 classics if you judge by that scale...... ::)
and gangstarr might have a petty RAP classic but musically they don't have a classic album......if guru had an ounce of charisma personality, breath control voice to match his wit and lyrasim and dj premier ACTUALLY created ORIGINAL dope beats that went beyond a fraction of a music bar and didn'tjack 100% of his beats and mixed the with crappy amiture drum lines, THEN they'd have a true to life classic; i'm sorry
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^ is nothing but the most overused,cliche, amiture, uncreative drum line ever
nice scratcher though
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Em doesnt have a classic
this is coming from a man who thinks dillinger and young gotti is better than doggfood......
the defence rests it's case
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tha mmlp is a classic in my eyes
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Em doesnt have a classic
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this is coming from a man who thinks dillinger and young gotti is better than doggfood......
the defence rests it's case
this is coming from a pussy who has to make up false statements by me to make up for his lack of wisdom or knowledge
Ive noticed that thats all u do, conjure up arguments then try to knock em down
"DJ Premo is over rated, Bush should go into Iraq, I got banned but still bitched my way back"
Fuckin wannabe ese white washed Boy Scout fruity ass muthafucka
Eminem doesnt have a fuckin classic, Id like to see yall convince me otherwise
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Fuck no he doesnt have 3 classics. Do you know how hard it is to make 3 classics?? Even some of the all times greats, who are far greater than Em, dont have 3 classics. Making 3 classic albums is a rarity. And NONE of Em's albums are even close to Illmatic. Whoever says otherwise is a blatant dickrider.
Anyone who states otherwise is someone with a different opinion to yours. Just beacuse people dont agree with you doesnt mean that they're instantly a dick rider.. Means they have a brain of their own!
IMO, Eminem has made two classic albums, and one dope album. TES was tight when it first came out.. but what makes a classic is a replay value, TES didnt have replay value, i listened to it for a couple of months then it just got boring, wasn't the same with the other two abums..
I'd love for any narrow minded person to start calling me a dickrider beacuse i have a difference in opinion.
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I'll give SSLP the benefit of the doubt, that still leaves him 2 classics short.
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Em doesnt have a classic
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this is coming from a man who thinks dillinger and young gotti is better than doggfood......
the defence rests it's case
this is coming from a pussy who has to make up false statements by me to make up for his lack of wisdom or knowledge
Ive noticed that thats all u do, conjure up arguments then try to knock em down
"DJ Premo is over rated, Bush should go into Iraq, I got banned but still bitched my way back"
Fuckin wannabe ese white washed Boy Scout fruity ass muthafucka
Eminem doesnt have a fuckin classic, Id like to see yall convince me otherwise
false statement.....when? you DID say that shit about DPGC......you don't know jack shit about music bud
if you thnk a piece of shit is better than a classic .....doesn't that say somethng about your knowledge about music
eminem is a supperior lyracist
eminem is the most original rapper along with andre3000
eminem is the best rapper/producer
eminem doen't talk about bullshit
eminem talks abut real emotion
eminem is a REAL artist
eminem can touch many different crowds
eminem has wit
eminem has charisma
eminem can make you laugh
eminem is intellegent
and if eminem talks about irrevelant things......i would like to know what IS relavant...weed, bitches , and slanging??!1? bitch please
dj premier is overrated i can prove and have proved that, no one has came with anything to counter what i say about that ......sure i like listening to him and his shit but seriously it doesn't take a genius to do what he does
yes i think the US should go into Iraq.....i'd go about it differently but yeah we should get rid of him and rebuild that nation
and i got banned to make a gooooo statement that obviously went over your short tempered head
and i'd like to hear your 'wit' filled argument why eminem doesn't have more than 1 classic......that's just blatant bias man.....i hate fuking Chicago (the band not the city, love the city) but i'll give them their fucking props cuz unlike you i'm not musically ignorant
and fuck you for calling me a wanna be white washed 'ese' (lol) anyone who knows me knows how much i despise that aspect of mexican culture (gangs) and yes i was a cub scout once .....so what! i'd rather be a possitive respective citizen than a negative little instigating "muslum" who goes around being proud he's put someone down.....sad life
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yo u truly are an idiot jake, u need to do some growing up kiddie
still ignorant, still egotistical, still concieted...
i never said DPG was better than Dogg Food, stupid dumb ass quit making up shit just cuz ya cant touch me
that was a nice lil speech about Eminem, but its irrelevant
(watch how this pathetic lil kid gets his argument ripped apart lol)
"eminem is a supperior lyracist
eminem is the most original rapper along with andre3000
eminem is the best rapper/producer
eminem doen't talk about bullshit
eminem talks abut real emotion
eminem is a REAL artist
eminem can touch many different crowds
eminem has wit
eminem has charisma
eminem can make you laugh
eminem is intellegent"
great jake...but im wondering, have u passed your standard grade 9 education cuz its quite evident u cant read
this post isnt about whether em is a "supperior" lyricists, nor are we disputing Em's "intelligence" (how u measured this baffles me)
the question is....Does Em have 3 classics like that drama queen Suge stated...
your lil useless ramble proved nothing in that regard..
yes Em is a dope rapper...does he have 3 classics as a result of those skills?
Snoop Dogg can hardly be defined as being a lyricist but he has a classic...do u get it jake? its not a hard concept..
Em doesnt have 3 classics..thats a joke..I'll give him SSLP...maybe thats it...
Yes Em is the biggest rapper alive..but that has more to do with his marketing ability, and target audience and gimmicky commercial songs more than his "classic" material
yes he is a dope lyricists and yes...he has changed the game and influenced it but it wasnt as a result of classic material
all his albums are good....we're not disputing that either..
but if you're tellin me you put SSLP, MMLP and Eminem Show on the same level as other classic material like Chronic, Makaveli or even Dogg Food or a Regulate, you're quiet foolish
The Judge, Jury and Executioner rests biyatch...
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yo u truly are an idiot jake, u need to do some growing up kiddie
still ignorant, still egotistical, still concieted...
i never said DPG was better than Dogg Food, stupid dumb ass quit making up shit just cuz ya cant touch me
that was a nice lil speech about Eminem, but its irrelevant
(watch how this pathetic lil kid gets his argument ripped apart lol)
"eminem is a supperior lyracist
eminem is the most original rapper along with andre3000
eminem is the best rapper/producer
eminem doen't talk about bullshit
eminem talks abut real emotion
eminem is a REAL artist
eminem can touch many different crowds
eminem has wit
eminem has charisma
eminem can make you laugh
eminem is intellegent"
great jake...but im wondering, have u passed your standard grade 9 education cuz its quite evident u cant read
this post isnt about whether em is a "supperior" lyricists, nor are we disputing Em's "intelligence" (how u measured this baffles me)
the question is....Does Em have 3 classics like that drama queen Suge stated...
your lil useless ramble proved nothing in that regard..
yes Em is a dope rapper...does he have 3 classics as a result of those skills?
Snoop Dogg can hardly be defined as being a lyricist but he has a classic...do u get it jake? its not a hard concept..
Em doesnt have 3 classics..thats a joke..I'll give him SSLP...maybe thats it...
Yes Em is the biggest rapper alive..but that has more to do with his marketing ability, and target audience and gimmicky commercial songs more than his "classic" material
yes he is a dope lyricists and yes...he has changed the game and influenced it but it wasnt as a result of classic material
all his albums are good....we're not disputing that either..
1 if i'm a kiddie what are you .....i don't go aroud getting personal dissing everyone and taking pride in putting people down, afterall i'm not the one running around doing kiddy crap for a senior prank....check yourself
2. yes you did, you can go through the archives if you wish and you'll see....you said that crap stopy denying this
3. you said prove to me how eminem has 3 classics.....i listed reasons why he does.....he shows all of those attributes on each album
4.eminem is intellegent becuase he knows how to rhyme efficiently while rhyming about something with substance not just grabbin random words and making a 'tight rap' he can also produce with takes some level of intellect
5. yes snoop has a classic ....but it wouldn't of been a classic without dre
6. how is saying em has 3 classics a joke?? says who, says you, someone who couldn't even tell me who izzy stradlin is?many publications have siad he has at least 2 one ex: is all music people who actually know about music outside of the dpg clique
7.em is the biggest rapper out there becuase he's not talking about bull crap like cash , cars, blunts and bitches,he's talking abut reall life crap which ANYONE can feel , he has one poppy song on his cd or in the last year all of his other singles in the last year were serious songs , and he's also popular becuase people appreciate the fact he puts out good and to many classic albums....that's why they sell in great volumes .....most of em's audience are nirvana/soundgarden/pearl jam/ metallica/ zeppelin junkies who are accustomed to thourough material.....it's big becuase the music is big......ever notice how the same people in 97 who were THE in thing arn't nearly as popular as em ......that's cuz none of them were as consistant as em
8. "yes he is a dope lyricists and yes...he has changed the game and influenced it but it wasnt as a result of classic material"
think about this quote ......it's a big contradiction.....anyone whose changed the game had to do it with SOMEHING right? this is just getting funny now
9. but if you're tellin me you put SSLP, MMLP and Eminem Show on the same level as other classic material like Chronic, Makaveli or even Dogg Food or a Regulate, you're quiet foolish
i put all of em's albums ahead of dogg food and regulate and on the same level as Makaveli........and you know what ...lol i'm sure that list of those albums are 80% of the classics you know to0
The Judge, Jury and Executioner rests biyatch...
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he odnt have 3 but he surely gots 2 IMO. im out!!!
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he odnt have 3 but he surely gots 2 IMO. im out!!!
thank you
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Let's try and keep personal beefs out of this ok guys? Let's keep it within the music 'cos when it sticks to that we have good discussions and I don't want to have to close the thread.
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I think it's kind of dumb to say that dude has made 3 classics out of 3 albums...I know he's the poster boy for White America but that doesn't mean everything he release is classic...It Was Written is not considered classic but it shits on Eminem's whole catalog...
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^ thats what im talkin about
and i didnt get personal until this fool couldnt speak properly so he had to make up lies
you still havent proved he has 3 classics...then you agree with a statement that he onlyt has 2, make up ya mind fool
LOL@ all 3 em albums >>regulate, dogg food
you're done man..just give it up
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Eminem doesn't have 3 classics. But every single one of his albums are well above average. Eminem posesses outstanding lyrical skills, but that alone can't make his albums classics.
The album which came closest to being a "classic" was The Eminem Show. The first two albums lived off shock value and lacked in subject matter. They wasn't really nothing special.
Best Eminem album = Eminem Show - 4.5 mics.
Imo
Peace
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Eminem doesn't have 3 classics. But every single one of his albums are well above average. Eminem posesses outstanding lyrical skills, but that alone can't make his albums classics.
The album which came closest to being a "classic" was The Eminem Show. The first two albums lived off shock value and lacked in subject matter. They wasn't really nothing special.
Best Eminem album = Eminem Show - 4.5 mics.
Imo
Peace
excellent post..i dont necessarily agree wit you 100% but you represented....
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Em hasn't made it there yet...he keeps getting better with each album. and TES shows it is his best so far.