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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: sonofisis on December 18, 2006, 06:53:30 PM
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I asked this question on another site but I'm trying to get a bigger perspective.
Ok, been wondering about this for a minute now. Adam and Eve eating the apple from the forbidden tree is what brought sin into this world correct? The penalty for Sin was death.. So this is why it was necessary for The Chris to come and die for sin, so that we all may be able to live forever(after death of course).. Well, according to the bible and Christian belief, the only way to receive this gift Jesus has given the world, is to simply accept that he is our personal lord and savior, and that he died for our sins. Well, this is where the confusing part comes in..
What happens to all of those billions of people that were here before Christ? What is their salvation? What special things did they have to do in order to achieve ever lasting life, since there was no Savior for them to accept and believe in, only Elohim. Doesn't make sense to say Jesus died for them also since they had no idea about it, and there was nothing for them to accept and believe in besides Elohim. And if they were able to gain entry into heaven through worship, following God's law, and believing in God, then what use did Jesus have? Why flip the script and give us different guidelines than the ones before Christ? Did Moses accept Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior? What about Adam? I'm trying to learn and this is an honest question. Can some one please enlighten me?
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they had to sacrifice something like their best sheep or something like that
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^ just thought of something right now, perhaps that's why jesus is called the lamb of god
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what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?
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Mormons have really interesting beliefs on this, you should ask one sometime about it. Makes a lot of sense to me. Basically, in a nutshell, Mormons believe the only people that go to hell are those who actively choose evil, knowing the difference between good and evil and choosing evil anyways. They believe that the plan of Christ's salvation is eternal and basically is known througout the universe, throughout time... and before we ever lived on this earth we accepted the plan and are all already believers, and in fact came to earth as spirits born into bodies to learn of a physical existance, and to have the opportunity to blindly wonder and let our hearts and conscience guide us to right ways. In heaven under god we were never free since we had no choice but to follow the light since it was so blindingly clear. On earth we're ignorant of the bigger scheme of things so we have to make the best of it with only our hearts to guide us. Those who choose to follow their hearts will return to heaven with a body in tow, those who know in their heart of evil and do it anyways will necessarily be punished. Christ's salvation was more of a gift to us than something that must be accepted, since by definition the only souls who made the trip to earth were those who already knew of the plan and agreed to play along with it.
As for those who died before Christ was born, after their death their spirits were free of the monotony of human existance, i.e. breathing eating worrying about death fighting to survive, and with a less cluttered mind you can easily see the truths and the laws of the universe, the creator and his son, our brother Jesus is of course one of those laws, anybody who has died likely knows immediately of their role in the scheme of things and also the role that Christ plays.
Personally I have very little figured out but I know for a fact that I do, at all times, what I feel in my heart is the correct and fair, honest thing to do. When I make mistakes I try not to make them again. I'm confident that I'm living my life to the best of my abilities, and any fair god would not punish me for my ignorance and my short comings.
Mormons believe that men like Ghandi and Budda likely receive a much greater reward in heaven than men like you or I, even if we're christians and they're not, because they did much more with their lives and had a stronger impact on the world. Remember in the bible, Moses was judged more harshly by God because Moses was more knowledgeable. The bible has him being punished with never seeing the promised land, after 40 years of wondering, because he struck a rock instead of talking to it like God told him to do. Something as simple as that little act of obedience he was severely punished for because he was so nearly perfect. Someone who knows nothing of God likely is treated very kindly and given a lot of room for error by a fair god.
Just my ramblings.
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what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?
what makes you think there werent?
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I guess God was forgiving everybody, I dont know lol. You know more about this than me and I'm a Christian.
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Mormons have really interesting beliefs on this, you should ask one sometime about it. Makes a lot of sense to me. Basically, in a nutshell, Mormons believe the only people that go to hell are those who actively choose evil, knowing the difference between good and evil and choosing evil anyways. They believe that the plan of Christ's salvation is eternal and basically is known througout the universe, throughout time... and before we ever lived on this earth we accepted the plan and are all already believers, and in fact came to earth as spirits born into bodies to learn of a physical existance, and to have the opportunity to blindly wonder and let our hearts and conscience guide us to right ways. In heaven under god we were never free since we had no choice but to follow the light since it was so blindingly clear. On earth we're ignorant of the bigger scheme of things so we have to make the best of it with only our hearts to guide us. Those who choose to follow their hearts will return to heaven with a body in tow, those who know in their heart of evil and do it anyways will necessarily be punished. Christ's salvation was more of a gift to us than something that must be accepted, since by definition the only souls who made the trip to earth were those who already knew of the plan and agreed to play along with it.
As for those who died before Christ was born, after their death their spirits were free of the monotony of human existance, i.e. breathing eating worrying about death fighting to survive, and with a less cluttered mind you can easily see the truths and the laws of the universe, the creator and his son, our brother Jesus is of course one of those laws, anybody who has died likely knows immediately of their role in the scheme of things and also the role that Christ plays.
Personally I have very little figured out but I know for a fact that I do, at all times, what I feel in my heart is the correct and fair, honest thing to do. When I make mistakes I try not to make them again. I'm confident that I'm living my life to the best of my abilities, and any fair god would not punish me for my ignorance and my short comings.
Mormons believe that men like Ghandi and Budda likely receive a much greater reward in heaven than men like you or I, even if we're christians and they're not, because they did much more with their lives and had a stronger impact on the world. Remember in the bible, Moses was judged more harshly by God because Moses was more knowledgeable. The bible has him being punished with never seeing the promised land, after 40 years of wondering, because he struck a rock instead of talking to it like God told him to do. Something as simple as that little act of obedience he was severely punished for because he was so nearly perfect. Someone who knows nothing of God likely is treated very kindly and given a lot of room for error by a fair god.
Just my ramblings.
You see, If I were to agree with everything else Mormons said I'd probably except this. But these are the same people who used "the curse of Ham" to justify being racist and not admitting black people for many years, so I will always see Mormonism as just another cult in Utah.. Nice contribution though, thanx for the response, just coming from the Mormon perspective is something I can't accept. Are you Mormon by the way? No offense if you are.
what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?
Use common sense, if Christ only came 2,000 years ago, and there's over 6 billion people here today, imagine how many people came and went during the time period before Jesus. I don't care if it was 4,000 or 2 million years, there had to be billions.
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I think that's the purpose of Judgement day? I'm pretty sure the bible says nobody gets to go to heaven until after Christ's second coming.
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those who know in their heart of evil and do it anyways will necessarily be punished.
So that would include the leadership of the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons), since they openly gave their approval to Bush's oppression in Iraq that has caused the death of nearly a half a million people.
In other words, what you posted was interesting and sounded good, but in actions Mormons are hypocritical, as evidenced by the Church's continued support for Bush's foriegn policy.
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what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?
Just in time for "Post of the Year"
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Mormons have really interesting beliefs on this, you should ask one sometime about it. Makes a lot of sense to me. Basically, in a nutshell, Mormons believe the only people that go to hell are those who actively choose evil, knowing the difference between good and evil and choosing evil anyways. They believe that the plan of Christ's salvation is eternal and basically is known througout the universe, throughout time... and before we ever lived on this earth we accepted the plan and are all already believers, and in fact came to earth as spirits born into bodies to learn of a physical existance, and to have the opportunity to blindly wonder and let our hearts and conscience guide us to right ways. In heaven under god we were never free since we had no choice but to follow the light since it was so blindingly clear. On earth we're ignorant of the bigger scheme of things so we have to make the best of it with only our hearts to guide us. Those who choose to follow their hearts will return to heaven with a body in tow, those who know in their heart of evil and do it anyways will necessarily be punished. Christ's salvation was more of a gift to us than something that must be accepted, since by definition the only souls who made the trip to earth were those who already knew of the plan and agreed to play along with it.
As for those who died before Christ was born, after their death their spirits were free of the monotony of human existance, i.e. breathing eating worrying about death fighting to survive, and with a less cluttered mind you can easily see the truths and the laws of the universe, the creator and his son, our brother Jesus is of course one of those laws, anybody who has died likely knows immediately of their role in the scheme of things and also the role that Christ plays.
Personally I have very little figured out but I know for a fact that I do, at all times, what I feel in my heart is the correct and fair, honest thing to do. When I make mistakes I try not to make them again. I'm confident that I'm living my life to the best of my abilities, and any fair god would not punish me for my ignorance and my short comings.
Mormons believe that men like Ghandi and Budda likely receive a much greater reward in heaven than men like you or I, even if we're christians and they're not, because they did much more with their lives and had a stronger impact on the world. Remember in the bible, Moses was judged more harshly by God because Moses was more knowledgeable. The bible has him being punished with never seeing the promised land, after 40 years of wondering, because he struck a rock instead of talking to it like God told him to do. Something as simple as that little act of obedience he was severely punished for because he was so nearly perfect. Someone who knows nothing of God likely is treated very kindly and given a lot of room for error by a fair god.
Just my ramblings.
You see, If I were to agree with everything else Mormons said I'd probably except this. But these are the same people who used "the curse of Ham" to justify being racist and not admitting black people for many years, so I will always see Mormonism as just another cult in Utah.. Nice contribution though, thanx for the response, just coming from the Mormon perspective is something I can't accept. Are you Mormon by the way? No offense if you are.
what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?
Use common sense, if Christ only came 2,000 years ago, and there's over 8 billion people here today, imagine how many people came and went during the time period before Jesus. I don't care if it was 4,000 or 2 million years, there had to be billions.
No, I'm not mormon, but just because you don't believe 1 thing someone believes doesn't mean that the rest of what they say isn't true. BTW, the curse of ham thing is bullshit, you've been given some wrong information... likely by another christian.
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those who know in their heart of evil and do it anyways will necessarily be punished.
So that would include the leadership of the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons), since they openly gave their approval to Bush's oppression in Iraq that has caused the death of nearly a half a million people.
In other words, what you posted was interesting and sounded good, but in actions Mormons are hypocritical, as evidenced by the Church's continued support for Bush's foriegn policy.
Hi Brian, I support George Bush's wars in Iraq and Afganistan that has caused the death of nearly a half million people. I think I'll be in Heaven, along WITH George Bush, he's a great man and a great leader.
Will your drunk dad be in Heaven? I hope so, but the way he's entirely destroyed your life through his drinking makes me wonder.
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Mormons have really interesting beliefs on this, you should ask one sometime about it. Makes a lot of sense to me. Basically, in a nutshell, Mormons believe the only people that go to hell are those who actively choose evil, knowing the difference between good and evil and choosing evil anyways. They believe that the plan of Christ's salvation is eternal and basically is known througout the universe, throughout time... and before we ever lived on this earth we accepted the plan and are all already believers, and in fact came to earth as spirits born into bodies to learn of a physical existance, and to have the opportunity to blindly wonder and let our hearts and conscience guide us to right ways. In heaven under god we were never free since we had no choice but to follow the light since it was so blindingly clear. On earth we're ignorant of the bigger scheme of things so we have to make the best of it with only our hearts to guide us. Those who choose to follow their hearts will return to heaven with a body in tow, those who know in their heart of evil and do it anyways will necessarily be punished. Christ's salvation was more of a gift to us than something that must be accepted, since by definition the only souls who made the trip to earth were those who already knew of the plan and agreed to play along with it.
As for those who died before Christ was born, after their death their spirits were free of the monotony of human existance, i.e. breathing eating worrying about death fighting to survive, and with a less cluttered mind you can easily see the truths and the laws of the universe, the creator and his son, our brother Jesus is of course one of those laws, anybody who has died likely knows immediately of their role in the scheme of things and also the role that Christ plays.
Personally I have very little figured out but I know for a fact that I do, at all times, what I feel in my heart is the correct and fair, honest thing to do. When I make mistakes I try not to make them again. I'm confident that I'm living my life to the best of my abilities, and any fair god would not punish me for my ignorance and my short comings.
Mormons believe that men like Ghandi and Budda likely receive a much greater reward in heaven than men like you or I, even if we're christians and they're not, because they did much more with their lives and had a stronger impact on the world. Remember in the bible, Moses was judged more harshly by God because Moses was more knowledgeable. The bible has him being punished with never seeing the promised land, after 40 years of wondering, because he struck a rock instead of talking to it like God told him to do. Something as simple as that little act of obedience he was severely punished for because he was so nearly perfect. Someone who knows nothing of God likely is treated very kindly and given a lot of room for error by a fair god.
Just my ramblings.
You see, If I were to agree with everything else Mormons said I'd probably except this. But these are the same people who used "the curse of Ham" to justify being racist and not admitting black people for many years, so I will always see Mormonism as just another cult in Utah.. Nice contribution though, thanx for the response, just coming from the Mormon perspective is something I can't accept. Are you Mormon by the way? No offense if you are.
what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?
Use common sense, if Christ only came 2,000 years ago, and there's over 8 billion people here today, imagine how many people came and went during the time period before Jesus. I don't care if it was 4,000 or 2 million years, there had to be billions.
No, I'm not mormon, but just because you don't believe 1 thing someone believes doesn't mean that the rest of what they say isn't true. BTW, the curse of ham thing is bullshit, you've been given some wrong information... likely by another christian.
"another" Christian? Bruh, I'm not Christian. And The Curse Of Ham is bullshit, but it wasn't bullshit to Mormons dog, read about it.. I know what I'm talking about..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacks_and_Mormonism
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what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?
Just in time for "Post of the Year"
lol..
i thought it was a legit question though? we have 6.5 billion peeps cruisin around now, and it's estimated the total amount of people ever lived is between 45-125 billion... and it's also estimated in 8000BC there were 5000 people and in 1AD there were 300,000 people... so most the people that ever lived, is in the last 2000 years. i'm too tired to do the math, but it's not that outrageous that there were less than 1billion peeps before christ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
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and before we ever lived on this earth we accepted the plan and are all already believers, and in fact came to earth as spirits born into bodies to learn of a physical existance, and to have the opportunity to blindly wonder and let our hearts and conscience guide us to right ways. In heaven under god we were never free since we had no choice but to follow the light since it was so blindingly clear. On earth we're ignorant of the bigger scheme of things so we have to make the best of it with only our hearts to guide us. Those who choose to follow their hearts will return to heaven with a body in tow, those who know in their heart of evil and do it anyways will necessarily be punished. Christ's salvation was more of a gift to us than something that must be accepted, since by definition the only souls who made the trip to earth were those who already knew of the plan and agreed to play along with it.
that is quite interesting...
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what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?
Just in time for "Post of the Year"
lol..
i thought it was a legit question though? we have 6.5 billion peeps cruisin around now, and it's estimated the total amount of people ever lived is between 45-125 billion... and it's also estimated in 8000BC there were 5000 people and in 1AD there were 300,000 people... so most the people that ever lived, is in the last 2000 years. i'm too tired to do the math, but it's not that outrageous that there were less than 1billion peeps before christ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
I found out a while ago not to trust wikipedia when it comes to stats.. Given what I know about ancient Egypt, Sumer, Greece, Rome, Babylon, Nubia, Axum, Olmecs, Indus Valley Dravidians, Persia, ancient China, it is extremely hard to believe that all of these civilizations combined comprised no more than 50,000 people in 1AD.. Just given the descriptions of battle in where Rome was said to enter battles with as many as 10,000 soldiers(this doesn't include women, young children, and farmers of the population), would you really be inclined to believe that there were only 50,000 people world wide? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on wikipedia and that can be proven wrong with out a shadow of a doubt, no contest. I'd estimate more like a few million world wide at that particular point in time. That is a lot more logical..
Anyways, back to the topic.
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^at 1AD the current population was at 300,000 people... doesnt seem right i agree with you there... but i dont think it would be more than a few million. but a billion is 1000 million... i dont know, i could be wrong, but it's not THAT outrageous to think there were less than a billion people before christ is it?
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^at 1AD the current population was at 300,000 people... doesnt seem right i agree with you there... but i dont think it would be more than a few million. but a billion is 1000 million... i dont know, i could be wrong, but it's not THAT outrageous to think there were less than a billion people before christ is it?
That number is still ludicrous, for all of those civilizations I named(all of them were around at the time except maybe the indus valley), that's 10 empires. Basically that's 30,000 residents per country around that time, is wikipedia serious? 30,000 people in Egypt? 30,000 people in China? 30,000 in Rome? Ha! absurd. Alexandria, Egypt alone probably had more people than that.. As a matter of fact, read this quote from a time line about Rome and Julius Ceasar..
"58BC to 51BC: Julius Caesar enlarges his military reputation by fighting in Gaul. Estimates are that he destroys whole tribes, kills about 400,000 people and enslaves about 400,000."
400,000 slaves alone! Before 1AD, what does that tell you? Wikipedia is bullshit when it comes to stats.. So yea, it is very hard to believe that less than a billion people lived on this planet in the 2 million years leading up to Jesus Christ. How long do you think humans have been here anyways?
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what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?
Just in time for "Post of the Year"
lol..
i thought it was a legit question though? we have 6.5 billion peeps cruisin around now, and it's estimated the total amount of people ever lived is between 45-125 billion... and it's also estimated in 8000BC there were 5000 people and in 1AD there were 300,000 people... so most the people that ever lived, is in the last 2000 years. i'm too tired to do the math, but it's not that outrageous that there were less than 1billion peeps before christ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
LMFAO... you fucking idiot... first of all it says those statistics are "IN THOUSANDS"... meaning 300,000 = 300,000,000.
And now think about the fact that people are born everyday, while others die... but we're talking about the number of different people that have lived... not the total population at any point in time...
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what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?
Just in time for "Post of the Year"
i thought it was a legit question though? we have 6.5 billion peeps cruisin around now, and it's estimated the total amount of people ever lived is between 45-125 billion... and it's also estimated in 8000BC there were 5000 people and in 1AD there were 300,000 people... so most the people that ever lived, is in the last 2000 years. i'm too tired to do the math, but it's not that outrageous that there were less than 1billion peeps before christ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
LMFAO... you fucking idiot... first of all it says those statistics are "IN THOUSANDS"... meaning 300,000 = 300,000,000.
And now think about the fact that people are born everyday, while others die... but we're talking about the number of different people that have lived... not the total population at any point in time...
Haha, damn I just clicked that link and you're right, hahaha! How did you miss that Chief? I knew that had to be bullshit..
lol..
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what makes you think there were billions of people before christ?
Just in time for "Post of the Year"
lol..
i thought it was a legit question though? we have 6.5 billion peeps cruisin around now, and it's estimated the total amount of people ever lived is between 45-125 billion... and it's also estimated in 8000BC there were 5000 people and in 1AD there were 300,000 people... so most the people that ever lived, is in the last 2000 years. i'm too tired to do the math, but it's not that outrageous that there were less than 1billion peeps before christ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
LMFAO... you fucking idiot... first of all it says those statistics are "IN THOUSANDS"... meaning 300,000 = 300,000,000.
And now think about the fact that people are born everyday, while others die... but we're talking about the number of different people that have lived... not the total population at any point in time...
yeah man, i know we're not talking about total population at any given point in time.
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the sinners had to sacrifice: sheep, goats pigeons etc
Leviticus 5:5 says 5 " 'When anyone is guilty in any of these ways, he must confess in what way he has sinned 6 and, as a penalty for the sin he has committed, he must bring to the LORD a female lamb or goat from the flock as a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for him for his sin".
and then it goes on talking about goats,pigeons etc
and the blood within these animals saved them because "there is life in the blood" as good said to Cain
but then people were just sinning and then killing an animal, sinning then killing an animal, over and over again and they weren't getting any better (in behaviour) so God sent Jesus to die and shed his blood for the people in the past present and future.
Romans 2:19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."[a]
25Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26If those who are not circumcised keep the law's requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
then he sent the holy spirit to be a guide and helper to strengthen a Christan to prevent them from sinning
i recommend u read the book of Leviticus it is a very interesting book that talks about: sin,animals that should and should not be eaten, sexual immorality, skin diseases, loans
and i also recommend the book of Romans which talks about how we are put right with God (very interesting)
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the sinners had to sacrifice: sheep, goats pigeons etc
Leviticus 5:5 says 5 " 'When anyone is guilty in any of these ways, he must confess in what way he has sinned 6 and, as a penalty for the sin he has committed, he must bring to the LORD a female lamb or goat from the flock as a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for him for his sin".
and then it goes on talking about goats,pigeons etc
and the blood within these animals saved them because "there is life in the blood" as good said to Cain
but then people were just sinning and then killing an animal, sinning then killing an animal, over and over again and they weren't getting any better (in behaviour) so God sent Jesus to die and shed his blood for the people in the past present and future.
Romans 2:19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."[a]
25Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26If those who are not circumcised keep the law's requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
then he sent the holy spirit to be a guide and helper to strengthen a Christan to prevent them from sinning
i recommend u read the book of Leviticus it is a very interesting book that talks about: sin,animals that should and should not be eaten, sexual immorality, skin diseases, loans
and i also recommend the book of Romans which talks about how we are put right with God (very interesting)
yeah that's where i know that from
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the main problem with the christmas relgion is the fact that man wrote the book
there is no true facts cause who ever writes the book controls th story
I say they went to heaven cause they followed the life of jesus even before he was born
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those who know in their heart of evil and do it anyways will necessarily be punished.
So that would include the leadership of the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons), since they openly gave their approval to Bush's oppression in Iraq that has caused the death of nearly a half a million people.
In other words, what you posted was interesting and sounded good, but in actions Mormons are hypocritical, as evidenced by the Church's continued support for Bush's foriegn policy.
Hi Brian, I support George Bush's wars in Iraq and Afganistan that has caused the death of nearly a half million people. I think I'll be in Heaven, along WITH George Bush, he's a great man and a great leader.
Will your drunk dad be in Heaven? I hope so, but the way he's entirely destroyed your life through his drinking makes me wonder.
So you support the death of alot of those half a million people that were most likely innocent as can be because of George Bush declaring a war for something that he doesn't even have proof of?
That kind of person would end up in hell and thats coming from a catholic.
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Even though this post was made a while ago i thought i would add a little to what i wrote.
Sinners in the past where forgiven by the sacrifice (shedding the blood of animals) sheeps, goats cattle etc and asking for forgiveness
Now that Jesus has died for us, a lot of still people don't know that the only way we can be saved and go to heaven is through Jesus (Jesus' blood) all you have to do is confess your sins to the lord in prayer and then believe and confess to God in prayer that Jesus Christ is lord and that he was raised from the dead.
Romans 10:9-11 says: (9) That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (10) For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (11) As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
i hopes people read this and takes it into consideration because its so simple. God Bless
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it is so simple to go along with the christian way of belief but i take it the young man that asked this question has to be under 30 cause that is a normal questions to ask when you are young now that I am 37 I can accept alot of what the bible said because I know so much more about God,just give yourself time...........
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There was no heaven or hell (in the biblical sense) before Christ, and there still isn't, and there never will be
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If people only knew the truth about their Bible; to would shatter their entire belief system. Then again people reject any information that contradict their beliefs. To continue to believe in a proven falsehood is extremely detrimental to the believer.
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The bible was written by humans who twisted reality to enslave more people to their religion. What makes me think christiannity is the good religion is the principle of love and forgiveness, while other religions like islam praise some more radical values that bring people to believe they must eradicate the non-muslims. I don't think one religion is good though, as long as you live like jesus told us you can get to the next level, wheter it's paradise nirrvana or whatever. And what jesus told us? love each and every one like i loved you. But that's my own opinion, if you want someone to argue with you with a deeper perspective and more ecclesiastic arguments you should go to a church and ask the priest the same question.
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If people only knew the truth about their Bible; to would shatter their entire belief system. Then again people reject any information that contradict their beliefs. To continue to believe in a proven falsehood is extremely detrimental to the believer.
you say "then again people reject any information that contradict their beliefs", that can be used to describe you, you do know that?
you say that Christians do not know the "truth" about their religion and i know what you mean, all of those forged doctrine/scriptures and stories (which haven't even been proven) that contradict the Christian belief. you call it "the truth", are you 100% certain that its "the truth" or did you just read that it was "the truth".
The bible was written by humans who twisted reality to enslave more people to their religion. What makes me think Christianity is the good religion is the principle of love and forgiveness, while other religions like Islam praise some more radical values that bring people to believe they must eradicate the non-muslims. I don't think one religion is good though, as long as you live like Jesus told us you can get to the next level, wheter it's paradise nirrvana or whatever. And what Jesus told us? love each and every one like i loved you. But that's my own opinion, if you want someone to argue with you with a deeper perspective and more ecclesiastic arguments you should go to a church and ask the priest the same question.
you say Christianity is used to enslave minds, but you do know that Christianity is not like other religions who force you to believe what they believe. Its not a cult, people have free will they choose what ever they want, even atheists/agnostics have joined Christianity not because it enslaving minds its just that people find something in Christianity that they cant find elsewhere. God has changed my life so much since ive become Christian. it is hard for a Christian to really describe the Christian religion, the holy spirit, etc to an atheist/agnostic, to you it looks like a bunch of enslaved people even though a lot of Christians are very intelligent people.
and i know this probably going to cause a huge debate over who's right and who's not but I'm just defending my religion.
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The bible was written by humans who twisted reality to enslave more people to their religion. What makes me think christiannity is the good religion is the principle of love and forgiveness, while other religions like islam praise some more radical values that bring people to believe they must eradicate the non-muslims. I don't think one religion is good though, as long as you live like jesus told us you can get to the next level, wheter it's paradise nirrvana or whatever. And what jesus told us? love each and every one like i loved you. But that's my own opinion, if you want someone to argue with you with a deeper perspective and more ecclesiastic arguments you should go to a church and ask the priest the same question.
You don't think Christians were ever killing people?
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Another big question is what the Christians will think if they really did find his tomb as I have been seeing in many places this week..Supposedly there is good evidence for it not to be a coincidence in the names on the tombs.
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Finding the tomb wouldn't prove anything in regard of the existence of God.
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you say "then again people reject any information that contradict their beliefs", that can be used to describe you, you do know that?
you say that Christians do not know the "truth" about their religion and i know what you mean, all of those forged doctrine/scriptures and stories (which haven't even been proven) that contradict the Christian belief. you call it "the truth", are you 100% certain that its "the truth" or did you just read that it was "the truth".
Your belief is based on HIS-story and not history. This is precisely why the bible does not reflect actual history. There's plenty of proof that can attest to this. If a lie is told, it is often perpetuated. Lies and untruths can be told for so long that they are accepted as the TRUTH and when someone comes forward and reveals the TRUTH, people don't have the mental capacity to accept and relate to it. This holds true for the these man-made religions called: Judiaism, Christianity, and Islam. This is why there are more than 125 versions of the bible. If you have the mental capacity to deal with the truth about your religion, I can point you in the right direction.
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i think that these tombs are decpetion, they are trying to make people believe that Jesus wasnt the Messiah (saviour) and son of God and that he was just a normal man who had a wife and child.
things like this remind me of 2 pieces of scripture from the bible, from:
2 peter 1:16-21 (16) We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. (17) For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."[a] (18) We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
(19) And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. (20) Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. (21)For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
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2 Peter 2:1-3 (1) But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. (2) Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. (3) In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
i think that these 2 scriptures are so true especially in these times.
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you say "then again people reject any information that contradict their beliefs", that can be used to describe you, you do know that?
you say that Christians do not know the "truth" about their religion and i know what you mean, all of those forged doctrine/scriptures and stories (which haven't even been proven) that contradict the Christian belief. you call it "the truth", are you 100% certain that its "the truth" or did you just read that it was "the truth".
Your belief is based on HIS-story and not history. This is precisely why the bible does not reflect actual history. There's plenty of proof that can attest to this. If a lie is told, it is often perpetuated. Lies and untruths can be told for so long that they are accepted as the TRUTH and when someone comes forward and reveals the TRUTH, people don't have the mental capacity to accept and relate to it. This holds true for the these man-made religions called: Judiaism, Christianity, and Islam. This is why there are more than 125 versions of the bible. If you have the mental capacity to deal with the truth about your religion, I can point you in the right direction.
okaayyy. i like the way you wrote "the right direction" as if to suggest i am going in the wrong direction. I like the way you wrote "TRUTH" as if to suggest what i believe is FALSE. you say what you believe/researched about religion is truth but you have no proof that it is true. Say so many religions/cults have been destroyed in the past because of the lies but yet christianity is still on the increase
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you say "then again people reject any information that contradict their beliefs", that can be used to describe you, you do know that?
you say that Christians do not know the "truth" about their religion and i know what you mean, all of those forged doctrine/scriptures and stories (which haven't even been proven) that contradict the Christian belief. you call it "the truth", are you 100% certain that its "the truth" or did you just read that it was "the truth".
Your belief is based on HIS-story and not history. This is precisely why the bible does not reflect actual history. There's plenty of proof that can attest to this. If a lie is told, it is often perpetuated. Lies and untruths can be told for so long that they are accepted as the TRUTH and when someone comes forward and reveals the TRUTH, people don't have the mental capacity to accept and relate to it. This holds true for the these man-made religions called: Judiaism, Christianity, and Islam. This is why there are more than 125 versions of the bible. If you have the mental capacity to deal with the truth about your religion, I can point you in the right direction.
okaayyy. i like the way you wrote "the right direction" as if to suggest i am going in the wrong direction. I like the way you wrote "TRUTH" as if to suggest what i believe is FALSE. you say what you believe/researched about religion is truth but you have no proof that it is true. Say so many religions/cults have been destroyed in the past because of the lies but yet christianity is still on the increase
Christianity has only survived due to religious conquests and persecution. Remember the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, the burning of so-called witches, ect. When Constantine made Christianity the offical religion of Rome, all competing religions were subsequently abolished, eventhough he was a member of Sol Invictus. Anyone who refused was put to death. The TRUTH is in the writing on the walls left by the Ancient Egytpians thousands of years ago.
Question for you: Why do you believe in something that has never been proven? Don't say belief because belief infers doubt.
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you say "then again people reject any information that contradict their beliefs", that can be used to describe you, you do know that?
you say that Christians do not know the "truth" about their religion and i know what you mean, all of those forged doctrine/scriptures and stories (which haven't even been proven) that contradict the Christian belief. you call it "the truth", are you 100% certain that its "the truth" or did you just read that it was "the truth".
Your belief is based on HIS-story and not history. This is precisely why the bible does not reflect actual history. There's plenty of proof that can attest to this. If a lie is told, it is often perpetuated. Lies and untruths can be told for so long that they are accepted as the TRUTH and when someone comes forward and reveals the TRUTH, people don't have the mental capacity to accept and relate to it. This holds true for the these man-made religions called: Judiaism, Christianity, and Islam. This is why there are more than 125 versions of the bible. If you have the mental capacity to deal with the truth about your religion, I can point you in the right direction.
okaayyy. i like the way you wrote "the right direction" as if to suggest i am going in the wrong direction. I like the way you wrote "TRUTH" as if to suggest what i believe is FALSE. you say what you believe/researched about religion is truth but you have no proof that it is true. Say so many religions/cults have been destroyed in the past because of the lies but yet Christianity is still on the increase
Christianity has only survived due to religious conquests and persecution. Remember the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, the burning of so-called witches, ect. When Constantine made Christianity the offical religion of Rome, all competing religions were subsequently abolished, eventhough he was a member of Sol Invictus. Anyone who refused was put to death. The TRUTH is in the writing on the walls left by the Ancient Egytpians thousands of years ago.
you realise you did not answer my question. i asked why Christianity is "Still on the increase" (it is being preached to many nations and they accept the gospels) not how it survived
Question for you: Why do you believe in something that has never been proven? Don't say belief because belief infers doubt.
the answer to that question is (and i know you are going to think that this is absurd, but i don't really care, its the truth) God has revealed something to me spiritually (that you as an atheist can not comprehend) as he has done to the Millions of other Christians past and present. i became Christian (last year) because God has worked so well in my life and has changed me into a completely different person. and its because of God I cant go back to the way i used to live/believe. its not just me reading some scriptures and believing what i read, because i used to read scripture and never really understood them/had faith in them, but until you fell Gods spirit come upon you/ and see God working in your life and changing it around, you start to believe. that why you might see people get really touched in church and shout, cry etc because of the things that God has done and brought them out of.
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you say "then again people reject any information that contradict their beliefs", that can be used to describe you, you do know that?
you say that Christians do not know the "truth" about their religion and i know what you mean, all of those forged doctrine/scriptures and stories (which haven't even been proven) that contradict the Christian belief. you call it "the truth", are you 100% certain that its "the truth" or did you just read that it was "the truth".
Your belief is based on HIS-story and not history. This is precisely why the bible does not reflect actual history. There's plenty of proof that can attest to this. If a lie is told, it is often perpetuated. Lies and untruths can be told for so long that they are accepted as the TRUTH and when someone comes forward and reveals the TRUTH, people don't have the mental capacity to accept and relate to it. This holds true for the these man-made religions called: Judiaism, Christianity, and Islam. This is why there are more than 125 versions of the bible. If you have the mental capacity to deal with the truth about your religion, I can point you in the right direction.
okaayyy. i like the way you wrote "the right direction" as if to suggest i am going in the wrong direction. I like the way you wrote "TRUTH" as if to suggest what i believe is FALSE. you say what you believe/researched about religion is truth but you have no proof that it is true. Say so many religions/cults have been destroyed in the past because of the lies but yet Christianity is still on the increase
Christianity has only survived due to religious conquests and persecution. Remember the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, the burning of so-called witches, ect. When Constantine made Christianity the offical religion of Rome, all competing religions were subsequently abolished, eventhough he was a member of Sol Invictus. Anyone who refused was put to death. The TRUTH is in the writing on the walls left by the Ancient Egytpians thousands of years ago.
you realise you did not answer my question. i asked why Christianity is "Still on the increase" (it is being preached to many nations and they accept the gospels) not how it survived
Question for you: Why do you believe in something that has never been proven? Don't say belief because belief infers doubt.
the answer to that question is (and i know you are going to think that this is absurd, but i don't really care, its the truth) God has revealed something to me spiritually (that you as an atheist can not comprehend) as he has done to the Millions of other Christians past and present. i became Christian (last year) because God has worked so well in my life and has changed me into a completely different person. and its because of God I cant go back to the way i used to live/believe. its not just me reading some scriptures and believing what i read, because i used to read scripture and never really understood them/had faith in them, but until you fell Gods spirit come upon you/ and see God working in your life and changing it around, you start to believe. that why you might see people get really touched in church and shout, cry etc because of the things that God has done and brought them out of.
To answer your question, Christianity is still on the rise because it preys on people's fear and emotional vulnerabiltiy. Why is it that people accept Christ when something tramatic happens in their lives or when they are at their most vulnerable point? You are only accustomed to what is already programmed inside of you from your infancy.
In repy to your reponse above, I think it is absolutely absurd. At what point do you give credit to yourself? I've accomplished many things in my life which are a direct result of my hard work and dedication, not some anthroporphoric figure of the human mind. Now, you say, "until you feel God's spirit come upon me". Well, if God is ominpresent as the Bible states, then God is already inside of me. So therefore, I should feel its presence, but I don't. I would think that your God would clearly make its presence known so that there would be no mistake as to what that God source looks like and what it represents. I could easily attribute the good things in my life to this mythical figure, but that would be very gullible of me.
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Another big question is what the Christians will think if they really did find his tomb as I have been seeing in many places this week..Supposedly there is good evidence for it not to be a coincidence in the names on the tombs.
i would still believe in jesus cuz I think human should love each other inconditionnaly and forgive themselves just like he taught us. But i wouldn't be sure about the miracles he made. I'm very sceptical about the tombs , i mean, james cameron? he's a good film maker but he's not a scientist. Plus the guy who paid for the movie is jewish and as you know jews never accepted the fact that jesus was the prophet and maybe they would like to prove us wrong, but i'm just stating hypothetical questions, that's not what i believe.
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Facez is the Christian Infinite. :D
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lol, maybe he was a muslim 2 years ago
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You say “ you are only accustomed to what is already programmed inside you from infancy. Do you about know me and my childhood?
Truthfully, I just realised that I made a little mistake in my typing . When I wrote "I became a Christian last year because God has worked so well in my life" which doesn't really make that much sense, what I meant to write “I became a Christian last year and since then God has worked so well in my life. I didn't double check for errors when I replied. So that sort of cancels out your question “at what point do you give credit to yourself”. I have achieved a lot with out God but since God has been in my life (my behaviour, attitude towards people, problems etc) it has changed so much.
“Why is it that people accept Christ when something traumatic happens in their lives or when they are at their most vulnerable point?. Do you know every Christians testimony and how and why they came to Christ?
The real question is why do a lot of them stay in the faith?
You said if Gods is omnipresent wouldn't he be inside you. You are half right God is omnipresent but his spirit is not going to be inside someone who doesn't want the spirit to begin with, there's no point. Gods spirit (holy spirit) does not Dwell in the unbeliever, God has given us free will we can choose him or not. God is not going to force his spirit into you if you don't want it. When you do choose him that I when his spirit comes upon you. I'll let the scripture explain it:
Romans 8:1-4 says: (1) Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] (2) because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. (3) For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in sinful man,[d] (4) in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
Romans 2:38 says: (38) Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8: 7-10 says: (7) the sinful mind[f] is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. (8) Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
(9) You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. (10) But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.
It says “if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ” which implies that you can choose to have it or you can chose not to have it.
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I'm an inherently good person who has love for anyone regardless of race and I've never had God in my life. So, what's your point. I hope you're not saying that one cannot be happy and prosperous with God in his or her life. What you said makes no sense. As the Bible states, God is omnipresent so therefore, it is absolutely impossible for it to be absent from some place. So, If God is in one place and not the other, then it is not omnipresent. As far as you regurgitating biblical scriptures, it means nothing to me, for I know the history behind those words, where they were taken from.
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I'm an inherently good person who has love for anyone regardless of race and I've never had God in my life. So, what's your point. I hope you're not saying that one cannot be happy and prosperous with God in his or her life. What you said makes no sense. As the Bible states, God is omnipresent so therefore, it is absolutely impossible for it to be absent from some place. So, If God is in one place and not the other, then it is not omnipresent. As far as you regurgitating biblical scriptures, it means nothing to me, for I know the history behind those words, where they were taken from.
first of all, how did u come to that conclusion? in no way did i imply that one cannot be happy and prosperous with witout God.
you asked me "Why do you believe in something that has never been proven?" and i told you why; i basically said that God has changed me and my life and i that feel Gods spirit". And you have just assumed that I meant that no one in this world can be happy (whatever that means) or prosperous without God. how did you get that from what i said?
as for your statement about me regurgitating scriptures i was simply showing you that God's spirit dwells everywhere but until you receive his spirit willingly, it cannot/won't be inside of you. God gave us free will in order to make decisions in our life to choose if we want his spirit or not, he dwells everywhere but he is not going to force his spirit inside us if we don't want it. thats the thing I love about God, he lets us choose the decisions in our life.
for I know the history behind those words, where they were taken from.
So you say.
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first of all, how did u come to that conclusion? in no way did i imply that one cannot be happy and prosperous with without God.
you asked me "Why do you believe in something that has never been proven?" and i told you why; i basically said that God has changed me and my life and i that feel Gods spirit". And you have just assumed that I meant that no one in this world can be happy (whatever that means) or prosperous without God. how did you get that from what i said?
How do you know that it was this God who changed you and not your own consciousness? Have you seen this God? What makes you think that this God is anymore real than that of the Ancient Greeks, Egyptian, Mayans, ect? The bottom line is this: People, places, and things are real if you believe them to be. You are the sum total of your beliefs, and your beliefs are always subject to change as your knowledge base expands. Years ago, people once believed the sun revolved around the Earth and that the Earth was flat. It was proven otherwise. This is no different with religion.
as for your statement about me regurgitating scriptures i was simply showing you that God's spirit dwells everywhere but until you receive his spirit willingly, it cannot/won't be inside of you. God gave us free will in order to make decisions in our life to choose if we want his spirit or not, he dwells everywhere but he is not going to force his spirit inside us if we don't want it. thats the thing I love about God, he lets us choose the decisions in our life.
So your saying, God is in one place and his spirit is in another place? That makes no sense.
So you say.
I say that because that's what the research says. I wouldn't have said it if there was no proof. Have you researched the history of your religion? Do you know who King James was, assuming you read that version of the Bible? Do you even know what the words "Holy Bible" mean? If you want to know, I can show you the path, but you'll have to be willing to step outside of the box you're in.
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The bible was written by humans who twisted reality to enslave more people to their religion. What makes me think christiannity is the good religion is the principle of love and forgiveness, while other religions like islam praise some more radical values that bring people to believe they must eradicate the non-muslims. I don't think one religion is good though, as long as you live like jesus told us you can get to the next level, wheter it's paradise nirrvana or whatever. And what jesus told us? love each and every one like i loved you. But that's my own opinion, if you want someone to argue with you with a deeper perspective and more ecclesiastic arguments you should go to a church and ask the priest the same question.
You don't think Christians were ever killing people?
Sure they have, but nothing Jesus said according to those that quoted him comes even close to justifying killing someone.
"Years ago, people once believed the sun revolved around the Earth and that the Earth was flat. It was proven otherwise. This is no different with religion."
It is different. We went into space and saw the Earth and other planetss. We see the sun every day and have always seen it. We can feel the earth. God in any form cannot be studied because God may not exist. There is no proof for or against his existence. And even if God exist what exactly God is opwn for discussion with in the faith. I don't see God as some guy in heaven calling shots. For I know God could be the energy that surrounds the universe and created the universe. The particles and what not. The Word of God, which is what Jesus is, is simply morality. So you could say you need morality to properly flow with the energy of the universe and enter the the energy with out ever seeing death. You're energy after your body dies becomes part of the greater energy. I can find a thousand to spin; "no comes unto the father but through me", and not one can disprove the other. Anything is possible.
P.S. The heliocentric model was at least known by some 2000 years before Europe that it was flat. The earliest heliocentric models we know about are in ancient Greece as well as various mathematicians' theories on the circumference of the Earth. So fort all we know there was a far superior society 18,000 years ago that has yet to be discovered. If something like the Earth being sound and the universe rotatiting was common knowledge in 300 BC but unknown in 1400 AD then anything is possible.
Your research could be completely false hen it comes to anything, particularly in the ancient times. Herodotos the ancient Greek historian wrote "I write what the tell me, but I'm not obligated to believe it". This should lead any logical man to question the credibility of any recorded history from any time. The people who discover anything can say whatever they feel like saying when it comes time to record what happened.
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If you want to know, I can show you the path, but you'll have to be willing to step outside of the box you're in.
lol, that's some matrix shit.
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If you want to know, I can show you the path, but you'll have to be willing to step outside of the box you're in.
lol, that's some matrix shit.
and his name is Merovingian...
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If you want to know, I can show you the path, but you'll have to be willing to step outside of the box you're in.
lol, that's some matrix shit.
and his name is Merovingian...
:o
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How do you know that it was this God who changed you and not your own consciousness? Have you seen this God? What makes you think that this God is anymore real than that of the Ancient Greeks, Egyptian, Mayans, ect? The bottom line is this: People, places, and things are real if you believe them to be. You are the sum total of your beliefs, and your beliefs are always subject to change as your knowledge base expands. Years ago, people once believed the sun revolved around the Earth and that the Earth was flat. It was proven otherwise. This is no different with religion.
The Egyptian, Greek etc religions were based on humanism and they believed in many human Gods (gods of music, wine, agriculture etc) and because of things like that their religion died out. Christianity is still on the increase today.
And are you trying to say that I don't know the difference between God and my own conscience. If you could of felt the way I felt and feel the way I feel you wouldn't even asked that question. I used to be a person full of anger, pain, stress, and hate and in one day I felt Gods spirit come upon me and it has changed me since, and you are trying to say the my conscious told me to change? Its not even just the things that God has done in my life; the things that I have seen and the things that I have seen God do in other peoples life is extraordinary.
Are you trying to say me and the millions of other Christians in the worlds minds (a lot who more intelligent thank you, some atheists/scientists/historians turned Christian) haven't expanded. Maybe its your mind that needs to expand.
So your saying, God is in one place and his spirit is in another place? That makes no sense.
God is a spiritual force and God's spirit (the Holy Spirit) is a part of him that is sent as a guide to live inside the believer (the one who has accepted in his heart and has confessed that Jesus is Lord as I mentioned previously about Romans 10:9). As I have said for the third time now God dwells everywhere but his spirit will not dwell in and unbeliever because they do not want his spirit. God Dwells everywhere but will not dwell inside a person that does not want him.
I say that because that's what the research says. I wouldn't have said it if there was no proof. Have you researched the history of your religion? Do you know who King James was, assuming you read that version of the Bible? Do you even know what the words "Holy Bible" mean? If you want to know, I can show you the path, but you'll have to be willing to step outside of the box you're in.
You need to step out side the box (matrix) that you're in. you are letting humans beings give you their views/opinions and knowledge about God and you're believing it.
This sort of reminds me of when doctors invent a new medicine that they promise can cure/prevent aids or other deadly diseases and people have so much faith in the medicine since the doctor (a very intelligent man who supposedly knows what he is saying) told them. So they take the medicine and become even more sick and most die. Merovingian the moral of the story is doctors aren't always right.
Do you like that parable Mero?
Thanks “Shallow”, lol “Smoke break” and the rest for giving your views.
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The Egyptian, Greek etc religions were based on humanism and they believed in many human Gods (gods of music, wine, agriculture etc) and because of things like that their religion died out. Christianity is still on the increase today.
That statement truly shows how out of touch with history you really are. They were not based on humanism. The Ancient Egyptian religion was spiritually based and was centered around the Universe. History documents that many of the Christian teachings are actually derived from the writings of ancient African priests, philosophers, and rulers. Ancient African texts document the first Annunciation, the Immaculate Conception, the Virgin Birth, and the First Savior, who was proclaimed as the Son of God. It was at the Council of Nicea that all original references to astrology and reincarnation were deleted from the European Bible and rewritten in allegorical form. It was then that all other competing religions were ABOLISHED. Remember, it was Africans who were the first people to inhabit this planet. There's no disputing that. Just because one religion has out lasted others doesn't make it TRUE. Remember, once a lie is told, it is perpetuated. A lie can be told for so long that it is accepted as the TRUTH. You're are on the tail end of this Christianity thing. You don't know what happened centuries ago. You're accepting the Bible as TRUTH when in fact, it is not.
And are you trying to say that I don't know the difference between God and my own conscience. If you could of felt the way I felt and feel the way I feel you wouldn't even asked that question. I used to be a person full of anger, pain, stress, and hate and in one day I felt Gods spirit come upon me and it has changed me since, and you are trying to say the my conscious told me to change? Its not even just the things that God has done in my life; the things that I have seen and the things that I have seen God do in other peoples life is extraordinary.
Are you trying to say me and the millions of other Christians in the worlds minds (a lot who more intelligent thank you, some atheists/scientists/historians turned Christian) haven't expanded. Maybe its your mind that needs to expand.
What you experienced is a feeling of euphoria, nothing more, nothing less. However, you choose to attribute that feeling to some supernatural being. I have that same feeling when I'm reading a good novel. You see, it was never in my nature to feel stress, anger, pain, and hate. It all starts with love for self. If you TRULY have love for self, then how can you not have love for others. The reality is this: God is a creation of the human mind and not vice versa. It has been this way since the birth of humanity. One civilization conquers another, imposes its God on the conquered peoples and make their Gods into lesser Gods. This is how religion evolves.
God is a spiritual force and God's spirit (the Holy Spirit) is a part of him that is sent as a guide to live inside the believer (the one who has accepted in his heart and has confessed that Jesus is Lord as I mentioned previously about Romans 10:9). As I have said for the third time now God dwells everywhere but his spirit will not dwell in and unbeliever because they do not want his spirit. God Dwells everywhere but will not dwell inside a person that does not want him.
You see, this is where the Bible is confusing to believers. You say the Biblical God is a spiritual force, yet you refer to it as HIM? A Spiritual Force has no gender, no form. In other parts of the Bible, it makes references to God having human like qualities: He is heard walking like a man by Adam and Eve. He talked like a man. He even ate like a man. When the people brought animals to the alter to burn them for sacrifice, that is exactly like putting meat on the grill to cook. When the animals were cooked, who ate them if they were brought to the Lord God? He has emotions like man. He gets angry and jealous. He is vain. He assisted in wars and destruction of his own alleged creation. So, with all these characteristics of man, why can't a powerful force of energy seperate itself from the lower qualities of man? Which is it? Is it a MAN or SPIRIT?
You need to step out side the box (matrix) that you're in. you are letting humans beings give you their views/opinions and knowledge about God and you're believing it.
This sort of reminds me of when doctors invent a new medicine that they promise can cure/prevent aids or other deadly diseases and people have so much faith in the medicine since the doctor (a very intelligent man who supposedly knows what he is saying) told them. So they take the medicine and become even more sick and most die. Merovingian the moral of the story is doctors aren't always right.
Stop avoiding the questions. Answer them. You don't know the history of your religion or who King James or the meaning of the words Holy Bible don't you? My reasearch is based on objective points of view and not the dogmatic, narrow-minded view of the Church. I'll flip your little parable this way: This sort of reminds me of believers so drowned in the beliefs that when the little girl or little boy is so sick they need medical attention. Yet, because of the belief the deny their children medical help and pray the ficticious daddy in the sky for healing. Ultimately, the child dies because of the parents denial of medical attention. Where was God in their time of need?
How do you like that parable Facez?
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That statement truly shows how out of touch with history you really are. They were not based on humanism. The Ancient Egyptian religion was spiritually based and was centered around the Universe. History documents that many of the Christian teachings are actually derived from the writings of ancient African priests, philosophers, and rulers. Ancient African texts document the first Annunciation, the Immaculate Conception, the Virgin Birth, and the First Savior, who was proclaimed as the Son of God. It was at the Council of Nicea that all original references to astrology and reincarnation were deleted from the European Bible and rewritten in allegorical form. It was then that all other competing religions were ABOLISHED. Remember, it was Africans who were the first people to inhabit this planet. There's no disputing that. Just because one religion has out lasted others doesn't make it TRUE. Remember, once a lie is told, it is perpetuated. A lie can be told for so long that it is accepted as the TRUTH. You're are on the tail end of this Christianity thing. You don't know what happened centuries ago. You're accepting the Bible as TRUTH when in fact, it is not.
Hello Merovingian aka “Dan Brown”. Sorry I have been away for a few days I was busy. I bet you thought you got me didn't you with your “facts” on Christianity didn't you? I bet your were sitting at your computer laughing manically when you typed your reply. I call you “Dan Brown because a lot of what you are saying especially the things you wrote about the council of Nicea (reincarnation, astrology) sound a lot like the claims made by the Da Vinci code there was no astrology, reincarnation removed form the bible by the council of Nicea “Mero” because there wasn't any in there to begin with. Even the old testament in the book of Isaiah, Jeremiah etc warns about astrologists, that they will burn in fire because they are deceivers . African Texts, heh? virgin birth? First Annunciation heh? Are you sure about that? Are you talking about the same African Texts that have been misinterpreted/altered throughout history.
Wow I made a mistake about the ancient Egyptian religion I guess I don't know anything about history, the Egyptian religion was confused, the religion was a pagan religion, and the other religions were humanism based.
Remember, once a lie is told, it is perpetuated. A lie can be told for so long that it is accepted as the TRUTH
i am glad that you made this quote because this quote works better for you with your "facts" on Christianity. if you do some proper research, you will find that a lot of them are misinterpreted/exaggerated
What you experienced is a feeling of euphoria, nothing more, nothing less. However, you choose to attribute that feeling to some supernatural being. I have that same feeling when I'm reading a good novel. You see, it was never in my nature to feel stress, anger, pain, and hate. It all starts with love for self. If you TRULY have love for self, then how can you not have love for others. The reality is this: God is a creation of the human mind and not vice versa. It has been this way since the birth of humanity. One civilization conquers another, imposes its God on the conquered peoples and make their Gods into lesser Gods. This is how religion evolves.
There you go again assuming you know me. Euphoria? Lol get real. And then you actually compare my spiritual experience to you reading a book, lol come on!. Euphoria for over a year now? You have no idea the type of spiritual experience I felt (through my body and mind, something that i cant explain and something that you could not understand but instead you compare it to reading a book) or who I am or what I have seen God do in the lives of myself and other people. Euphoria lol ohhh please.
You see, this is where the Bible is confusing to believers. You say the Biblical God is a spiritual force, yet you refer to it as HIM? A Spiritual Force has no gender, no form. In other parts of the Bible, it makes references to God having human like qualities: He is heard walking like a man by Adam and Eve. He talked like a man. He even ate like a man. When the people brought animals to the alter to burn them for sacrifice, that is exactly like putting meat on the grill to cook. When the animals were cooked, who ate them if they were brought to the Lord God? He has emotions like man. He gets angry and jealous. He is vain. He assisted in wars and destruction of his own alleged creation. So, with all these characteristics of man, why can't a powerful force of energy seperate itself from the lower qualities of man? Which is it? Is it a MAN or SPIRIT?
We call God a man because there is no other way to describe God. As you said God has “no gender or form”, please tell me how to describe him?. He, him, his are pronouns used to describe God, You can not call God “it” because “no gender or no form” and it also demeans God because you are referring him to as an object which is below a “Man” who is the highest authority on the planet. Giving God man-like qualities is the only way possible we can try and understand him and what is written in scripture since we are only humans ourselves, there is no point having a bible/God that you cant even get an understanding. The bible says God walked with Adam also, it is obvious that it meant God's presence was around Adam” but if you use the verb “walk” you can understand how close God was to Adam and how attached Man was to God. We call god father because that shows that he is higher than us in authority and that he cares for us. When it says God got angry at something/someone, you can get an understanding of how much the thing/person opposed the word of God. When it says the burning of the meat was pleasing to god it was speaking metaphorically meaning the Israelites obedience/will to sacrifice and be cleansed from sin was pleasing to the Lord. a lot of the bible especially things referring to god were written metaphorically so that we could get an understanding, even Jesus spoke in parables in order to teach the disciples/us.
Stop avoiding the questions. Answer them. You don't know the history of your religion or who King James or the meaning of the words Holy Bible don't you? My reasearch is based on objective points of view and not the dogmatic, narrow-minded view of the Church. I'll flip your little parable this way: This sort of reminds me of believers so drowned in the beliefs that when the little girl or little boy is so sick they need medical attention. Yet, because of the belief the deny their children medical help and pray the ficticious daddy in the sky for healing. Ultimately, the child dies because of the parents denial of medical attention. Where was God in their time of need?
How do you like that parable Facez?
Speaking of parables, honestly that was terrible. It wasn't even really a parable was it?. That was an example, it was also an example of how petty you can be. Reports of a child dying because they refused to receive medical treatment do not happen a lot and you have know idea what their situation was and whether the person who healed them was a real man/woman of God. It doesn't prove that there is no God and even if they did die they went to heaven (I'm not saying it right for a child to die I'm just saying even though they did die, they went to heaven). Believe me I have seen miracles/healing happen to so many people.
And for your information I do know who king James was (king of Scotland,Englan, Ireland translated the bible) and what holy bible means, your point being?
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Hello Merovingian aka “Dan Brown”. Sorry I have been away for a few days I was busy. I bet you thought you got me didn't you with your “facts” on Christianity didn't you? I bet your were sitting at your computer laughing manically when you typed your reply. I call you “Dan Brown because a lot of what you are saying especially the things you wrote about the council of Nicea (reincarnation, astrology) sound a lot like the claims made by the Da Vinci code there was no astrology, reincarnation removed form the bible by the council of Nicea “Mero” because there wasn't any in there to begin with. Even the old testament in the book of Isaiah, Jeremiah etc warns about astrologists, that they will burn in fire because they are deceivers . African Texts, heh? virgin birth? First Annunciation heh? Are you sure about that? Are you talking about the same African Texts that have been misinterpreted/altered throughout history. Wow I made a mistake about the ancient Egyptian religion I guess I don't know anything about history, the Egyptian religion was confused, the religion was a pagan religion, and the other religions were humanism based.
This is precisely what happens when you watch te-LIE-vision. You make asinine, ignorant posts as the one above. Misinterpereted/alterted? Lol...you must be the most gullible person on this planet. You really have NO CLUE of Ancient Kemetology. That's fine though....whatever satisfies your delusional thinking. Like I said before, "Denomination without investigating is FOOLISH".
i am glad that you made this quote because this quote works better for you with your "facts" on Christianity. if you do some proper research, you will find that a lot of them are misinterpreted/exaggerated
Again, you have no leg to stand on. All you have is belief. Stop reading HIS-STORY.
There you go again assuming you know me. Euphoria? Lol get real. And then you actually compare my spiritual experience to you reading a book, lol come on!. Euphoria for over a year now? You have no idea the type of spiritual experience I felt (through my body and mind, something that i cant explain and something that you could not understand but instead you compare it to reading a book) or who I am or what I have seen God do in the lives of myself and other people. Euphoria lol ohhh please.
Don't really need to know you. You're about as transparent as glass. Yes, euphoria. However, in the subconscious of your mind, you created the illusion. You see, the many things the mind of man believes, the mind of man has conceived. This holds true in your case.
We call God a man because there is no other way to describe God. As you said God has “no gender or form”, please tell me how to describe him?. He, him, his are pronouns used to describe God, You can not call God “it” because “no gender or no form” and it also demeans God because you are referring him to as an object which is below a “Man” who is the highest authority on the planet. Giving God man-like qualities is the only way possible we can try and understand him and what is written in scripture since we are only humans ourselves, there is no point having a bible/God that you cant even get an understanding. The bible says God walked with Adam also, it is obvious that it meant God's presence was around Adam” but if you use the verb “walk” you can understand how close God was to Adam and how attached Man was to God. We call god father because that shows that he is higher than us in authority and that he cares for us. When it says God got angry at something/someone, you can get an understanding of how much the thing/person opposed the word of God. When it says the burning of the meat was pleasing to god it was speaking metaphorically meaning the Israelites obedience/will to sacrifice and be cleansed from sin was pleasing to the Lord. a lot of the bible especially things referring to god were written metaphorically so that we could get an understanding, even Jesus spoke in parables in order to teach the disciples/us.
Now that sounds just plain silly. The concept of the Creator/God is beyond our comprehension. So, in order to identify with it, you anthropormorphize it (i.e. give it human qualities). It's not your fault...you're just following a shared perception. Subjecting the Creator to the lower qualities of man is demeaning for man is not infallable and is subject to error. When you quote the Bible as your source, you lose all credibility.
Speaking of parables, honestly that was terrible. It wasn't even really a parable was it?. That was an example, it was also an example of how petty you can be. Reports of a child dying because they refused to receive medical treatment do not happen a lot and you have know idea what their situation was and whether the person who healed them was a real man/woman of God. It doesn't prove that there is no God and even if they did die they went to heaven (I'm not saying it right for a child to die I'm just saying even though they did die, they went to heaven). Believe me I have seen miracles/healing happen to so many people.
Most of us have experienced moments of a hell-like state, most of us have experienced moments of a heaven-like state. This we know for sure: life has it's ups and downs. Beyond the physical life, so far, nobody KNOWS anything about a Heaven or Hell. They can only tell you what they've read and heard.
However, if you see me crying because the bank foreclosed on my house, my wife is leaving me, my children have turned to a life of crime, that is my hell, and you have witnessed to that. If you see me smiling, because I have a roof over my head, my children are taken care of, I'm helping someone in need, that is my heaven, and you have witnessed to that.
Anything otherwise being taught and preached about Heaven and Hell is speculation, and a belief that should be carefully thought out before spreading to the masses. The most reasonable thing to say is that this is what you believe, and leave it at that. You need to be careful about what you impose upon others as truth, when you have no way of proving it, other than written words. To make such drastic and far-fetched claims without proof only makes you look foolish…because when I yell, “PROVE IT”, you get nothing but more doctrine, or the “I’ll be prayin’ for you” spill. Come on, this stuff is played out.
And for your information I do know who king James was (king of Scotland,Englan, Ireland translated the bible) and what holy bible means, your point being?
If that's true, then you should also know that of the people he commissioned to translate the Bible, William Shakespear was one of them. If you look in the King James version Psalms Ch. 46, the 46th word from the beginning is "shake" and the 46th word from the end of the chapter is "spear". He was prohibited from divulging his involvement, so he secretly left his signature. I would think that since you live your life by this book, you would want to know whose hand has been in it. The words "Holy Bible" means Helios Biblios, (i.e. Sun Book). There's so much that you truly don't know about the Bible and you will remain in your ignorance until you don't step outside of that box.
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Ok here we go again :D. i have a feeling this is going to be a long one. if it is long please read the whole thing.
This is precisely what happens when you watch te-LIE-vision. You make asinine, ignorant posts as the one above. Misinterpereted/alterted? Lol...you must be the most gullible person on this planet. You really have NO CLUE of Ancient Kemetology. That's fine though....whatever satisfies your delusional thinking. Like I said before, "Denomination without investigating is FOOLISH".
yes i said "misinterperated/altered" doctrine. alot of it was misinterpreted/altered
Again, you have no leg to stand on. All you have is belief. Stop reading HIS-STORY.
Really?
Don't really need to know you. You're about as transparent as glass. Yes, euphoria. However, in the subconscious of your mind, you created the illusion.
here we go "euphoria" again lol.
Again I say “do you know me” & do we have the same mind/body? Do we live the same life? No we don’t. I know about Euphoria and the unconsciousness of the mind, you would have to actually experience what I experienced or be me to fully understand the type experience I had. It wasn’t the feeling you get when you “read a book”, when your overwhelmed, smoke drugs, drink alcohol etc , the only way I can explain it is that it was like, it was something that I had never felt before. But you truly cant understand unless it happens to you.
i am as "Transparent as glass" am I. ooook if you say so. i keep forgeting that you know me so well. ::)
You see, the many things the mind of man believes, the mind of man has conceived. This holds true in your case.
so does that mean that that statement applies to you also.
Now that sounds just plain silly. The concept of the Creator/God is beyond our comprehension. So, in order to identify with it, you anthropormorphize it (i.e. give it human qualities). It's not your fault...you're just following a shared perception. Subjecting the Creator to the lower qualities of man is demeaning for man is not infallable and is subject to error. When you quote the Bible as your source, you lose all credibility.
I am not saying/the bible does not say that God has man-like qualities because that would be demeaning I said we give him man-like qualities like “walk,” “heard” because they are metaphors that we/the bible uses in order to understand/to get a grasp of the things that God: does/did/ is doing. Like when Jesus compared the bible (word of God) to seed, he was trying to demean the bible he was just simply using something that we are all common with in order to show that it needs to be placed in good soil (someone’s heart) and retained in order to produce a harvest (blessing)
Most of us have experienced moments of a hell-like state, most of us have experienced moments of a heaven-like state. This we know for sure: life has it's ups and downs. Beyond the physical life, so far, nobody KNOWS anything about a Heaven or Hell. They can only tell you what they've read and heard.
However, if you see me crying because the bank foreclosed on my house, my wife is leaving me, my children have turned to a life of crime, that is my hell, and you have witnessed to that. If you see me smiling, because I have a roof over my head, my children are taken care of, I'm helping someone in need, that is my heaven, and you have witnessed to that.
Anything otherwise being taught and preached about Heaven and Hell is speculation, and a belief that should be carefully thought out before spreading to the masses. The most reasonable thing to say is that this is what you believe, and leave it at that. You need to be careful about what you impose upon others as truth, when you have no way of proving it, other than written words. To make such drastic and far-fetched claims without proof only makes you look foolish…because when I yell, “PROVE IT”, you get nothing but more doctrine, or the “I’ll be prayin’ for you” spill. Come on, this stuff is played out.
How do you know? You act as if you know everyone and everyone’s experiences. Yes there are people who have only read/heard about heaven & Hell, but there also people who say that they have been to the other side and have experienced/seen heaven or Hell, who is to argue with them? I guess people like you who believe there is no God/miracles etc there is a “rational” explanation for everything.
If that's true, then you should also know that of the people he commissioned to translate the Bible, William Shakespear was one of them. If you look in the King James version Psalms Ch. 46, the 46th word from the beginning is "shake" and the 46th word from the end of the chapter is "spear". He was prohibited from divulging his involvement, so he secretly left his signature. I would think that since you live your life by this book, you would want to know whose hand has been in it.
:o....... Lol at these “bible codes” that people find. ok let me break it down for you, this claim is such a silly one and here is the proof.
the person who discovered this read these scriptures from the king james version (KJV)
Psalms 46:3 (3) Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
Psalms 46:9 (9) He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.
Shake + spear = Shakespear even though there is an “E” at the end Shakespeare”. this would lead somen to believe shakespeare had some involvement in the bible.
so the question is did Shakespeare put the words "shake" and "spear" in Psalm 46 (a year before the KJV was released) or was it just a coincidence?......
May I remind you of the Geneva Bible’s version of Psalms 46 that was released in 1587
Psalms 46:3 (3) Though the waters thereof rage and be troubled, and the mountaines shake at the surges of the same. Selah,
Psalms 46:9 (9) He maketh warres to cease vnto the endes of the world: he breaketh the bowe and cutteth the speare, and burneth the chariots with fire
:o "shake" and "spear" re-occur. Did Shakespeare write his surname in this bibles version of psalms? Could be since he was 23.
But let me remind you of the bishops bible that was released in 1968
Psalms 46:3 (3) Though the waters thereof rage and swell: and though the mountaynes shake at the surges of the same. Selah.
Psalms 46:9 (9) He maketh warres to ceasse in all the worlde: he breaketh the bowe, & knappeth the speare in sunder, and burneth the charettes in the fire.
Did Shakespeare write his name in this bible? Well he was four years old and four year olds can write so there is a possibility.
But let me remind you of the Miles Coverdale Bible released in 1535
Psalms 46:3 (3) Though the waters of the see raged & were neuer so troublous, & though the mountaynes shoke at the tepest of the same
Psalms 46:9 (9) He hath made warres to ceasse in all the worlde: he hath broken the bowe, he hath knapped the speare in sonder, & bret the charettes in the fyre.
Did Shakespeare go back in time (19 years before his birth) and put his name in this version of psalms. I can go on but i think you get the point.
The words "Holy Bible" means Helios Biblios, (i.e. Sun Book). There's so much that you truly don't know about the Bible and you will remain in your ignorance until you don't step outside of that box.
Im sorry my friend but you are misinformed. You have just stated that holy bible derives from/means “Helios biblios” which in Greek means “sun book,” how can Helios mean both holy and sun? well you are half right “Helios bibios” does means “sun book” (because Helios was the Greek God of the sun), but "holy" does not mean/derive from "Helios".
"Holy" came from the Greek word "Hagios". Hagios in Greek means (sacred, holy). They (the Greeks) have been using the word Hagios (meaning holy) since 1000 B.C
To sum up, "Helios" means "Sun" (sometimes light)
“Hagios” means “holy” or “sacred”
“Helios” and “Holy” have nothing to do with each other.
Please do not call me ignorant because as I have stated before “you don’t know me”
There are a lot of false theologies/doctrines on Christianity that people use to deceive the Christians and the people who are ignorant of the Christian faith, please do not be decieved. this reminds me of a piece of scripture that I would like to share with you from 2 Peter 2: 1-3
2Peter 2:1-3 (1) But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. (2) And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. (3) By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does[a] not slumber.
For you information I will be praying for you.
God Bless.