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Title: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: afgmafia on February 07, 2016, 12:31:43 AM
http://putlocker.is/watch-murder-rap-inside-the-biggie-and-tupac-murders-online-free-putlocker.html

I always thought the Illuminati killed 2Pac, but I believe everything Keffe D said. Plus he confirmed that he's known Suge since they were children, which is why Suge said to Orlando I know your family. Pretty fucked up now if you think about it, the two talents were murdered, when it shoulda been Suge and Diddy
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: Goon_574 on February 07, 2016, 04:44:42 AM
Glad your not misinformed anymore. Looking at comments at various places some people still think it was the government or some bullshit. The more people that see this the better
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: gio™fugahoo on February 07, 2016, 04:52:13 AM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: afgmafia on February 07, 2016, 08:37:53 AM
cause biggie's mom had a 400 million dollar lawsuit against the LAPD, cause of the rumours i guess that cops were involved in the murder of her son. If this had played out the LAPD would have looked very bad in the public eyes, maybe another riot would have broken out.

If Biggie's mom didn't file a lawsuit they probably would have been more thorough with the investigation and find this shit out, in fact they already knew everything from the CI informant. Clearly Diddy is the luckiest fucker unless someone told him that a grieving mother who files a lawsuit against the police department would put a stop on the investigation until none of the information would be credible, which even then he would be the luckiest fucker lol.

Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: jmix on February 07, 2016, 10:16:16 AM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: Jimmy H. on February 07, 2016, 10:35:35 AM
If this had played out the LAPD would have looked very bad in the public eyes, maybe another riot would have broken out.
 
  Extremely unlikely.  I don't think it would elevated to that level but I also don't buy that the OJ verdict would have had that impact either but who can say?
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: U.N.T.O.U.C.H.A.B.L.E. on February 07, 2016, 01:37:20 PM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

common jmix you're a very smart guy, think about it, pac jumps lando and 2-3 hours later he's shot...it's a classic driveby retaliation tactic in cali....its no science to this only people in cali understand this
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: afgmafia on February 07, 2016, 02:05:39 PM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

maybe cause the confession is super long and would have made the movie a television series lol either way we heard what we need to hear.

and riot or not a police department losing a case to corruption is something to be avoided at all costs. Think about the heads of the department... the shit storm they'd get from their bosses and the public, they definitely didn't want that. They may have been corrupt themselves and if they lost the case the FBI might've had to do some investigating on who's corrupt and who isn't in the department and they knew they'd get caught. Either way it's something to be avoided at all costs.

I always thought it was bigger than just Diddy and some gang members, and then watching MC Eiht's interview with Vlad when he says all of Compton knew lol seems like none of it would have occurred if Diddy didn't put a reward on the chain.

What happened to Lane and Poochie though? Like why were they murdered? Do you guys think it was Suge's retaliation after he had found out? Plus it's pretty funny that he stopped at Biggie.

And what did the Compton riots ensue?
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: gio™fugahoo on February 07, 2016, 03:23:47 PM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

maybe cause the confession is super long and would have made the movie a television series lol either way we heard what we need to hear.

and riot or not a police department losing a case to corruption is something to be avoided at all costs. Think about the heads of the department... the shit storm they'd get from their bosses and the public, they definitely didn't want that. They may have been corrupt themselves and if they lost the case the FBI might've had to do some investigating on who's corrupt and who isn't in the department and they knew they'd get caught. Either way it's something to be avoided at all costs.

I always thought it was bigger than just Diddy and some gang members, and then watching MC Eiht's interview with Vlad when he says all of Compton knew lol seems like none of it would have occurred if Diddy didn't put a reward on the chain.

What happened to Lane and Poochie though? Like why were they murdered? Do you guys think it was Suge's retaliation after he had found out? Plus it's pretty funny that he stopped at Biggie.

And what did the Compton riots ensue?

Suge didn't found out who they are he saw them face to face and he knew them
I think he paid the hit on Orlando
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 07, 2016, 04:25:21 PM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

maybe cause the confession is super long and would have made the movie a television series lol either way we heard what we need to hear.

and riot or not a police department losing a case to corruption is something to be avoided at all costs. Think about the heads of the department... the shit storm they'd get from their bosses and the public, they definitely didn't want that. They may have been corrupt themselves and if they lost the case the FBI might've had to do some investigating on who's corrupt and who isn't in the department and they knew they'd get caught. Either way it's something to be avoided at all costs.

I always thought it was bigger than just Diddy and some gang members, and then watching MC Eiht's interview with Vlad when he says all of Compton knew lol seems like none of it would have occurred if Diddy didn't put a reward on the chain.

What happened to Lane and Poochie though? Like why were they murdered? Do you guys think it was Suge's retaliation after he had found out? Plus it's pretty funny that he stopped at Biggie.

And what did the Compton riots ensue?

Suge didn't found out who they are he saw them face to face and he knew them
I think he paid the hit on Orlando

lane was shot by 2 crips from rival set over  drug deal dispute but he also took one of them with him lol poochie was killed by fruit town pirus i think. those killings aint got nothin to do with death of pac or biggie
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: gio™fugahoo on February 07, 2016, 04:54:55 PM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

maybe cause the confession is super long and would have made the movie a television series lol either way we heard what we need to hear.

and riot or not a police department losing a case to corruption is something to be avoided at all costs. Think about the heads of the department... the shit storm they'd get from their bosses and the public, they definitely didn't want that. They may have been corrupt themselves and if they lost the case the FBI might've had to do some investigating on who's corrupt and who isn't in the department and they knew they'd get caught. Either way it's something to be avoided at all costs.

I always thought it was bigger than just Diddy and some gang members, and then watching MC Eiht's interview with Vlad when he says all of Compton knew lol seems like none of it would have occurred if Diddy didn't put a reward on the chain.

What happened to Lane and Poochie though? Like why were they murdered? Do you guys think it was Suge's retaliation after he had found out? Plus it's pretty funny that he stopped at Biggie.

And what did the Compton riots ensue?

Suge didn't found out who they are he saw them face to face and he knew them
I think he paid the hit on Orlando

lane was shot by 2 crips from rival set over  drug deal dispute but he also took one of them with him lol poochie was killed by fruit town pirus i think. those killings aint got nothin to do with death of pac or biggie



Oh ok good to know!!
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: abusive on February 07, 2016, 05:30:54 PM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

maybe cause the confession is super long and would have made the movie a television series lol either way we heard what we need to hear.

and riot or not a police department losing a case to corruption is something to be avoided at all costs. Think about the heads of the department... the shit storm they'd get from their bosses and the public, they definitely didn't want that. They may have been corrupt themselves and if they lost the case the FBI might've had to do some investigating on who's corrupt and who isn't in the department and they knew they'd get caught. Either way it's something to be avoided at all costs.

I always thought it was bigger than just Diddy and some gang members, and then watching MC Eiht's interview with Vlad when he says all of Compton knew lol seems like none of it would have occurred if Diddy didn't put a reward on the chain.

What happened to Lane and Poochie though? Like why were they murdered? Do you guys think it was Suge's retaliation after he had found out? Plus it's pretty funny that he stopped at Biggie.

And what did the Compton riots ensue?

Ok, so why not drop the confession on youtube?

Why hasn't Puffy been arrested?
Why wasn't Deandre Smith been arrested and charged with accessory if he was driving the car like Keefe said?

If you believe that cops were worried about being held liable or looking bad over this then why wouldn't you take a documentary by ex-police that clears them with a grain of salt? I bet you would take an ex-cop's word and someone facing life's word with a grain of salt under any other circumstance.

The FBI? You don't remember Pac rapping about the feds wanting him dead on AEOM? You do know that it's common for local, state and federal law enforcement to work together right?
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: jmix on February 07, 2016, 05:32:57 PM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

maybe cause the confession is super long and would have made the movie a television series lol either way we heard what we need to hear.

and riot or not a police department losing a case to corruption is something to be avoided at all costs. Think about the heads of the department... the shit storm they'd get from their bosses and the public, they definitely didn't want that. They may have been corrupt themselves and if they lost the case the FBI might've had to do some investigating on who's corrupt and who isn't in the department and they knew they'd get caught. Either way it's something to be avoided at all costs.

I always thought it was bigger than just Diddy and some gang members, and then watching MC Eiht's interview with Vlad when he says all of Compton knew lol seems like none of it would have occurred if Diddy didn't put a reward on the chain.

What happened to Lane and Poochie though? Like why were they murdered? Do you guys think it was Suge's retaliation after he had found out? Plus it's pretty funny that he stopped at Biggie.

And what did the Compton riots ensue?

its not because it is super long. It is because it is super coerced and leading. "you used a .40 cal glock, RIGHT?" "Orlando was the shooter, RIGHT?"... smh. This guy Kading is a disgraced cop. Crooked too.

2pac deserves better than this.

biggie...not so much.
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: makaveli.. on February 07, 2016, 09:45:51 PM
with all respect to imix , a question to u champ u think that reggie wright and undercover cops were wanted to kill pac and suge to so sharitha and regie could control death row ?
u don't think orlando was involved in the shooting no way?
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 08, 2016, 01:26:41 AM
with all respect to imix , a question to u champ u think that reggie wright and undercover cops were wanted to kill pac and suge to so sharitha and regie could control death row ?
u don't think orlando was involved in the shooting no way?
dont forget to throw there snoops cousin rapper lil half dead as a shooter lol reggie attendin gang meetings lol its unbelieveable somebody actually wrote a book about some ridiculous stuff like this lol
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: Westdog on February 08, 2016, 01:31:00 AM
Fuck Puffy, i never liked him, he is too sly
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: Space RockStar SkyStalker Machine on February 08, 2016, 04:41:18 AM
who in the world made that doc? Biggies mother filing a law suite makes me laugh. She needs to educate herself on who really shot biggie and how in the world that can happen. Ask around, go talk to the gangster in Cali. Its easy to pick up on lingo unless your really that dumb yourself
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: Space RockStar SkyStalker Machine on February 08, 2016, 04:47:28 AM
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Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: Space RockStar SkyStalker Machine on February 08, 2016, 05:11:09 AM
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Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: V2DHeart on February 08, 2016, 07:44:46 AM
A few little 'facts' this documentary like to avoid:

If FBI were tailing Tupac and closely monitoring him since his release from prison, then why wasn't his murder solved? 

Why is there no mention anywhere (including this documentary) of how at the time Orlando Anderson was arrested, there was a TUPAC album playing on his stereo?  (The public would view him as being a less likely candidate if the public knew he was somewhat of a fan of his music?)

How the Cadillac brand was favoured by FBI agents for undercover ops, so much so that they had a special agreement with Cadillac - which enables them to purchase large volumes of Cadillac Escalades throughout the US from all different field offices, including older Fleetwood's, Deville's etc. Definitely largely used in the 80's, but not so much in the 90's, but it cannot be ruled out.

Afeni refusing to see Orlando Anderson (She sent her lawyers to speak with him)

To think that Puffy was somehow upset at 2Pac to the point he wanted him dead is ridiculous. He laughed off the disses from Tupac. He thought he was just acting (which he was) and just laughed it off. Sure he had mad respect for his background, family roots etc. but he did not get upset over his diss to the point of murder. He was a exploitative businessman, and probably rat-like in a lot of ways, but not a murderer. He would not risk the 'empire' he was building over something he viewed as petty and laughable

Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 08, 2016, 09:53:26 AM
A few little 'facts' this documentary like to avoid:

If FBI were tailing Tupac and closely monitoring him since his release from prison, then why wasn't his murder solved?  

Why is there no mention anywhere (including this documentary) of how at the time Orlando Anderson was arrested, there was a TUPAC album playing on his stereo?  (The public would view him as being a less likely candidate if the public knew he was somewhat of a fan of his music?)

How the Cadillac brand was favoured by FBI agents for undercover ops, so much so that they had a special agreement with Cadillac - which enables them to purchase large volumes of Cadillac Escalades throughout the US from all different field offices, including older Fleetwood's, Deville's etc. Definitely largely used in the 80's, but not so much in the 90's, but it cannot be ruled out.

Afeni refusing to see Orlando Anderson (She sent her lawyers to speak with him)

To think that Puffy was somehow upset at 2Pac to the point he wanted him dead is ridiculous. He laughed off the disses from Tupac. He thought he was just acting (which he was) and just laughed it off. Sure he had mad respect for his background, family roots etc. but he did not get upset over his diss to the point of murder. He was a exploitative businessman, and probably rat-like in a lot of ways, but not a murderer. He would not risk the 'empire' he was building over something he viewed as petty and laughable



it wasnt no secret that orlando was fan of pac i remember there was somethin like he had all his music.
the funniest part is that suge paid orlando nice amount of money to testify on his behalf in that casino beatdown case and they send his ass to the jail anyway. lando had a ball 2 last years of his life lol
puffy was scared shitless of suge and his people, they was on his ass for big jakes murder, but i think that even puffy wasnt really thinking southsiders gonna take his ''offer'' so serious but oh well... lol
somebody better tell puffy on instagram that keefe d really needs that money right now since whole world saw how he ratted on his nephiew hahaha
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: Space RockStar SkyStalker Machine on February 08, 2016, 11:20:25 AM
its really funny the FEDS can't solve the murder. I mean everybody knew the reprocussions of Orlando killing 2pac. Unfortunatly its a stepping stone to future muders (mass murders) if that. Oh yeah this documentary/video was made 2005. AHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Id piss myself laughing if I was there and knew really happen that night ...
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: abusive on February 08, 2016, 02:34:24 PM
Greg Kading Claims Tupac Shot Himself At Quad Studio (Was Never Shot In Head)
https://www.youtube.com/v/iOaW-cFIa94
Who believes that?  ???
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: Space RockStar SkyStalker Machine on February 08, 2016, 07:39:21 PM
Orlando was hit in the face/head multiple times. You dont get a mug shot black n blue by falling on the ground. He suffer multiple lateatations across his body. N this was retaliation for the murder he committe. They were actully billy-clubs n hit by 4/5 guys/girl
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: afgmafia on February 09, 2016, 08:20:07 AM
so u believe this CROOK kading? if Orlando killed then wtf does Vegas PD til this day REJECT that it was Orlando them? they have the tapes from the mgm that night and Orlando was STILL there while pac was being shot! do your research on WHY kading is LYING! he's trying to cover up reggie wright Jr,and LAPD involvement in the deaths of pac and biggie! I swear y'all will believe ANYTHING as long as it "sound good" don't u know that TRUTH is stranger than fiction? the truth is Orlando was bait that night,and was a PAWN... all of the shit was a SET UP,from dude whispering in pac's ear and pointing Orlando out to pac getting ASSASSINATED. they set him up to attack Orlando to have a fucking MOTIVE,just to make it look like "retaliation" fucking brilliant right? it worked

they have the tapes fro the mgm that night and Orlando was still there while pac was being shot!...... Is this true?
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: V2DHeart on February 09, 2016, 09:32:13 AM
& also Orlando Anderson, though looking relatively fine from the CCTV video was actually in quite a bit of pain. It was also said he had a couple of broken ribs too, had his hand stood on with 2 staved fingers and general bruising over his body. This may look like a little scuffle, but getting kicked with dressy captoed brogue leathers isn't like getting kicked with a pair of sneakers. Getting knee's to the head and neck while you have 6 - 8 of these kinds of shoes getting plunged into you is worse than it looks.

Would retaliation have occurred? Most likely, but in Vegas? Only a short time later that night? No chance. Orlando as the above poster said was still in the MGM a while after, and would have most likely went to his room to smoke a blunt and tell the rest what happened. Phone calls would have been made back to LA and they would have later organised some form of retaliation.

This hit is far too convenient, but far too orchestrated to be a typical 'gang' hit, and if they had the evidence to put away several high ranking Crips, or anything that could stick, it would have been done already. The fact that this is unsolved shows that he may have indeed been used as a pawn / bait

Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 09, 2016, 09:38:04 AM
& also Orlando Anderson, though looking relatively fine from the CCTV video was actually in quite a bit of pain. It was also said he had a couple of broken ribs too, had his hand stood on with 2 staved fingers and general bruising over his body. This may look like a little scuffle, but getting kicked with dressy captoed brogue leathers isn't like getting kicked with a pair of sneakers. Getting knee's to the head and neck while you have 6 - 8 of these kinds of shoes getting plunged into you is worse than it looks.

Would retaliation have occurred? Most likely, but in Vegas? Only a short time later that night? No chance. Orlando as the above poster said was still in the MGM a while after, and would have most likely went to his room to smoke a blunt and tell the rest what happened. Phone calls would have been made back to LA and they would have later organised some form of retaliation.

This hit is far too convenient, but far too orchestrated to be a typical 'gang' hit, and if they had the evidence to put away several high ranking Crips, or anything that could stick, it would have been done already. The fact that this is unsolved shows that he may have indeed been used as a pawn / bait


thats why mob was shocked that orlando did it in vegas right after the beating. they thought that southside will retaliate but back in their turf compton. gots to give it up to lando boy had balls to spray them up on vegas street in the day of fight with all tourists around lol he was a hothead, pac wasnt first person shot by him
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: dnjp4life on February 09, 2016, 11:32:40 AM
A question I've been meaning to ask for a while and now seems the appropriate time - who else was involved in the beat down of Orlando Anderson? We all know 2Pac and Suge threw punches and kicks, but who else is in the CCTV footage?
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 09, 2016, 11:37:10 AM
A question I've been meaning to ask for a while and now seems the appropriate time - who else was involved in the beat down of Orlando Anderson? We all know 2Pac and Suge threw punches and kicks, but who else is in the CCTV footage?
tray, heron, neckbone in black and bountry in white
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: on February 09, 2016, 12:30:17 PM

they have the tapes fro the mgm that night and Orlando was still there while pac was being shot!...... Is this true?

Now this is very interesting, any proof or just hearsay as that would literally prove the smoking gun wasn't Landos...
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 09, 2016, 12:49:47 PM
people cant believe that such wise talented ''icon'' with black panters shit behind him died over some stupid petty thing like gangbangin.
oh but it was ''the tupac shakur'' it couldnt be so simple he was so important to the world that there had to be some conspiracy with  illuminati, reggie, police, suge, goverment or lil half dead lol
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: smile4menow on February 09, 2016, 03:31:40 PM
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/suge-knight-mob-piru-orlando-anderson-and-the-south-side-compton-crips.289241/
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: abusive on February 09, 2016, 06:14:36 PM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

maybe cause the confession is super long and would have made the movie a television series lol either way we heard what we need to hear.

and riot or not a police department losing a case to corruption is something to be avoided at all costs. Think about the heads of the department... the shit storm they'd get from their bosses and the public, they definitely didn't want that. They may have been corrupt themselves and if they lost the case the FBI might've had to do some investigating on who's corrupt and who isn't in the department and they knew they'd get caught. Either way it's something to be avoided at all costs.

I always thought it was bigger than just Diddy and some gang members, and then watching MC Eiht's interview with Vlad when he says all of Compton knew lol seems like none of it would have occurred if Diddy didn't put a reward on the chain.

What happened to Lane and Poochie though? Like why were they murdered? Do you guys think it was Suge's retaliation after he had found out? Plus it's pretty funny that he stopped at Biggie.

And what did the Compton riots ensue?
https://www.youtube.com/v/eYxNdwLH4YY?t=31
Peep from 5:15 on.

This is why the Rollin' 60's would put a bounty out for DR members and chains:
"An incident accounted by Wrightway Security’s off-duty police officers circulating the L.A.P.D. stations from a Death Row held private after-party event for the Soul Train awards in Los Angeles on March 14, 1995. At just after midnight at the El Ray Theatre in L.A.’s Wilshire District, held by Suge Knight with a sign outside the front entrance reading, “Death Row Private Party, Guest List Only.” Three working uniformed L.A.P.D. officers were called to a fight that broke out earlier in the evening as they were writing up the incident outside when they heard an eruption inside the theatre. They witnessed Crip banger, Kelly Jamerson get his head split open by a beer bottle as a group of Blood Pirus surrounded him and proceeded to beat the man viciously to death. By the time the officers arrived to interrupt the carnage the man was dying from the injuries sustained including a brain haemorrhage. Approximately four hundred guests fled the building in various states of inebriation

The only available credible witness was a bartender who claimed Jamerson was arguing with four black males. He stated one of the suspects was a member of Death Row Records described as 6’4”, 390 pounds with a short fade angled haircut. He saw him strike Jamerson with a Miller beer bottle over the head. It was early in the AM when police investigators arrived at the scene. By midday the victim was pronounced dead. Jamerson’s body was so badly beaten he lad lacerations, abrasions, swelling and bruising to the head, torso and extremities making it almost impossible for an autopsy to reveal the single blow as the cause of death.

The mood of the party went from celebratory to violent when Death Row star, Snoop Dogg instigated gang-related hostilities as he took the stage to throw up his Rolling 20 Crips affiliation in gang-sign toward the Piru Bloods who dominated the theatre and were associated with Suge Knight. In retaliation, rapper D.J. Quik threw back his Piru sign back at opposing Crips onstage. Quik who had suffered a broken jaw a few year prior by the same Crip set was looking to settle his score publicly. Quik picked up a chair and smashed the Crip to the ground as his accompanied Bloods began bashing the man with a champagne bottle. Quik broke away from the beating to take the stage where he addressed Suge Knight. Suge left and Quik continued fighting. He immediately initiated an attack on Kelly Jamerson who fled into a group of Bloods who knocked him down with a beer bottle briefly before murdering him. Later records show the assailants were not working for D.J. Quik but were Suge’s Piru thugs, Jai Hassan Jamaal ‘Jake The Violator’ Robles, Altron ‘Buntry’ McDonald, Ronald ‘Ram’ Lamb and close homeboys of Quik’s, Crawford ‘Hi-C’ Wilkinson, Bernard ‘Zeek’ Thomas and Donell ‘Donzel’ Smith. The notorious members of Mob Pirus employed by Death Row for various ‘secret service’ type tasks for Suge Knight.

The Crips believed they were safe at the event as they were guests of Snoop Dogg’s. However, a personal friend of Compton rapper, D.J. Quik gave police eye witness accounts of the attacks but stressed the importance of remaining anonymous. He stated not only is his life at risk, if they knew he was talking to the police his whole family would be killed on the words of Suge Knight. The witness said, “You do not realise how powerful Suge Knight is. Going up against Suge or any of his people is like going up against the mafia. It’s a death sentence.”
Source: http://hiphop.sh/suge
===========================================
The only police report Murder Rap has on their facebook page of the incident is literally from ten years later. Eiht was just repeating what we all heard and have believed to be true for all these years.
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 10, 2016, 12:45:53 AM
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/suge-knight-mob-piru-orlando-anderson-and-the-south-side-compton-crips.289241/

he exposed that imposter at the very begining. original thread on makaveli board was 600 or more pages long but now its deleted. big props to heron mob
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: smile4menow on February 10, 2016, 04:14:14 PM
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/suge-knight-mob-piru-orlando-anderson-and-the-south-side-compton-crips.289241/

he exposed that imposter at the very begining. original thread on makaveli board was 600 or more pages long but now its deleted. big props to heron mob
He also stated that the info was copy pasted. I'm aware the thread was deleted. That above link is the only place to read some of the stuff from the 600 page thread. Just providing some info. I'm assuming heron wanted it gone.
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: hrsmn_london on February 11, 2016, 06:47:36 AM
I read the book and believed it all at the time. Then I used some common sense and realised that to believe anything Keefe/Keffe D says would be naive to say the least.
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: on February 12, 2016, 12:32:10 PM
I read the book and believed it all at the time. Then I used some common sense and realised that to believe anything Keefe/Keffe D says would be naive to say the least.

Yep given the situation he was in and the situation the cops were in this was a win win deal. He pins the blame on people who are already dead and BIGs mom has noone to take to court. Quiet clever really but still it leaves the truth unanswered.

Who killed 2Pac?
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 12, 2016, 03:48:02 PM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

maybe cause the confession is super long and would have made the movie a television series lol either way we heard what we need to hear.

and riot or not a police department losing a case to corruption is something to be avoided at all costs. Think about the heads of the department... the shit storm they'd get from their bosses and the public, they definitely didn't want that. They may have been corrupt themselves and if they lost the case the FBI might've had to do some investigating on who's corrupt and who isn't in the department and they knew they'd get caught. Either way it's something to be avoided at all costs.

I always thought it was bigger than just Diddy and some gang members, and then watching MC Eiht's interview with Vlad when he says all of Compton knew lol seems like none of it would have occurred if Diddy didn't put a reward on the chain.

What happened to Lane and Poochie though? Like why were they murdered? Do you guys think it was Suge's retaliation after he had found out? Plus it's pretty funny that he stopped at Biggie.

And what did the Compton riots ensue?

Suge didn't found out who they are he saw them face to face and he knew them
I think he paid the hit on Orlando

lane was shot by 2 crips from rival set over  drug deal dispute but he also took one of them with him lol poochie was killed by fruit town pirus i think. those killings aint got nothin to do with death of pac or biggie



Oh ok good to know!!
you can see bountry, hen-dog and neckbone at 1:33
https://www.youtube.com/v/qiWHIv7s204
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: hrsmn_london on February 12, 2016, 05:15:07 PM
I read the book and believed it all at the time. Then I used some common sense and realised that to believe anything Keefe/Keffe D says would be naive to say the least.

Yep given the situation he was in and the situation the cops were in this was a win win deal. He pins the blame on people who are already dead and BIGs mom has noone to take to court. Quiet clever really but still it leaves the truth unanswered.

Who killed 2Pac?

Clearly a government hit, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: hrsmn_london on February 12, 2016, 05:55:13 PM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

maybe cause the confession is super long and would have made the movie a television series lol either way we heard what we need to hear.

and riot or not a police department losing a case to corruption is something to be avoided at all costs. Think about the heads of the department... the shit storm they'd get from their bosses and the public, they definitely didn't want that. They may have been corrupt themselves and if they lost the case the FBI might've had to do some investigating on who's corrupt and who isn't in the department and they knew they'd get caught. Either way it's something to be avoided at all costs.

I always thought it was bigger than just Diddy and some gang members, and then watching MC Eiht's interview with Vlad when he says all of Compton knew lol seems like none of it would have occurred if Diddy didn't put a reward on the chain.

What happened to Lane and Poochie though? Like why were they murdered? Do you guys think it was Suge's retaliation after he had found out? Plus it's pretty funny that he stopped at Biggie.

And what did the Compton riots ensue?

Suge didn't found out who they are he saw them face to face and he knew them
I think he paid the hit on Orlando

lane was shot by 2 crips from rival set over  drug deal dispute but he also took one of them with him lol poochie was killed by fruit town pirus i think. those killings aint got nothin to do with death of pac or biggie



Oh ok good to know!!
you can see bountry, hen-dog and neckbone at 1:33
https://www.youtube.com/v/qiWHIv7s204

Thanks for that.

In response to previous messages about Orlando not been killed in retaliation, please read the below, but unsure whether source of story is actually Herons relative

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/suge-knight-mob-piru-orlando-anderson-and-the-south-side-compton-crips.289241/best-posts?page=3


With regards to Poochie, even if Puffy knew his identity, who says he would even want to retaliate?

It has been alluded to in previous interviews and I do agree - why were those murdered in the aftermath not those supposedly directly involved in 2Pac hit? Keefe D is still alive. Orlando died in 1998. The fat guy died supposedly died from being too fat. The other guy, Kading mentioned in his book, but didn't seem to follow it up.
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 13, 2016, 02:48:24 AM
terrace brown was shot in 2015 during pot shop robbery in compton.

None of 4 men who was in the car were killed in retaliation cuz after pacs death feds was all over death row plus in the same year group of fruit town pirus who was workin for death row fell out with the mob. so mob concentrated on war with their former friends and eased up on south side
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: afgmafia on February 13, 2016, 04:18:08 AM
The last thing I`m doing is watching that chaos merchants thing can somebody sum it up

respectsssss
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: abusive on February 13, 2016, 09:34:09 AM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

maybe cause the confession is super long and would have made the movie a television series lol either way we heard what we need to hear.

and riot or not a police department losing a case to corruption is something to be avoided at all costs. Think about the heads of the department... the shit storm they'd get from their bosses and the public, they definitely didn't want that. They may have been corrupt themselves and if they lost the case the FBI might've had to do some investigating on who's corrupt and who isn't in the department and they knew they'd get caught. Either way it's something to be avoided at all costs.

I always thought it was bigger than just Diddy and some gang members, and then watching MC Eiht's interview with Vlad when he says all of Compton knew lol seems like none of it would have occurred if Diddy didn't put a reward on the chain.

What happened to Lane and Poochie though? Like why were they murdered? Do you guys think it was Suge's retaliation after he had found out? Plus it's pretty funny that he stopped at Biggie.

And what did the Compton riots ensue?
https://www.youtube.com/v/eYxNdwLH4YY?t=31
Peep from 5:15 on.

This is why the Rollin' 60's would put a bounty out for DR members and chains:
"An incident accounted by Wrightway Security’s off-duty police officers circulating the L.A.P.D. stations from a Death Row held private after-party event for the Soul Train awards in Los Angeles on March 14, 1995. At just after midnight at the El Ray Theatre in L.A.’s Wilshire District, held by Suge Knight with a sign outside the front entrance reading, “Death Row Private Party, Guest List Only.” Three working uniformed L.A.P.D. officers were called to a fight that broke out earlier in the evening as they were writing up the incident outside when they heard an eruption inside the theatre. They witnessed Crip banger, Kelly Jamerson get his head split open by a beer bottle as a group of Blood Pirus surrounded him and proceeded to beat the man viciously to death. By the time the officers arrived to interrupt the carnage the man was dying from the injuries sustained including a brain haemorrhage. Approximately four hundred guests fled the building in various states of inebriation

The only available credible witness was a bartender who claimed Jamerson was arguing with four black males. He stated one of the suspects was a member of Death Row Records described as 6’4”, 390 pounds with a short fade angled haircut. He saw him strike Jamerson with a Miller beer bottle over the head. It was early in the AM when police investigators arrived at the scene. By midday the victim was pronounced dead. Jamerson’s body was so badly beaten he lad lacerations, abrasions, swelling and bruising to the head, torso and extremities making it almost impossible for an autopsy to reveal the single blow as the cause of death.

The mood of the party went from celebratory to violent when Death Row star, Snoop Dogg instigated gang-related hostilities as he took the stage to throw up his Rolling 20 Crips affiliation in gang-sign toward the Piru Bloods who dominated the theatre and were associated with Suge Knight. In retaliation, rapper D.J. Quik threw back his Piru sign back at opposing Crips onstage. Quik who had suffered a broken jaw a few year prior by the same Crip set was looking to settle his score publicly. Quik picked up a chair and smashed the Crip to the ground as his accompanied Bloods began bashing the man with a champagne bottle. Quik broke away from the beating to take the stage where he addressed Suge Knight. Suge left and Quik continued fighting. He immediately initiated an attack on Kelly Jamerson who fled into a group of Bloods who knocked him down with a beer bottle briefly before murdering him. Later records show the assailants were not working for D.J. Quik but were Suge’s Piru thugs, Jai Hassan Jamaal ‘Jake The Violator’ Robles, Altron ‘Buntry’ McDonald, Ronald ‘Ram’ Lamb and close homeboys of Quik’s, Crawford ‘Hi-C’ Wilkinson, Bernard ‘Zeek’ Thomas and Donell ‘Donzel’ Smith. The notorious members of Mob Pirus employed by Death Row for various ‘secret service’ type tasks for Suge Knight.

The Crips believed they were safe at the event as they were guests of Snoop Dogg’s. However, a personal friend of Compton rapper, D.J. Quik gave police eye witness accounts of the attacks but stressed the importance of remaining anonymous. He stated not only is his life at risk, if they knew he was talking to the police his whole family would be killed on the words of Suge Knight. The witness said, “You do not realise how powerful Suge Knight is. Going up against Suge or any of his people is like going up against the mafia. It’s a death sentence.”
Source: http://hiphop.sh/suge
===========================================
Death Row Artist Confirms Puffy Put a $75,000 Bounty On Death Row Madallion
https://www.youtube.com/v/bsqe6vNTLis
Danny Boy who was formerly signed to Death Row Records spoke to ITS AGTV and confirms during the west coast / east coast fued that rap mogul Diddy put a $75k award out for anybody who can get him a Death Row chain, Which is what lead to the fight betwen Tupac Shakur and south side crips member Orlando Anderson in Las Vegas at the MGM hotel in 1996. Hours later Tupac would be fatally shot. This confirms former L.A. detective Greg Kading’s Documentary ‘Murder Rap’ in which he brings fourth evidence of Diddy hiring crip gang members to kill Tupac Shakur and Suge Knight in return for $1 Million Dollars.

The plot thickens.....
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: OG Filthy Wimp on February 13, 2016, 02:10:33 PM
^Bo De from 60's, Piru Niggaz beat his ass with no regard, why no 60 retaliation, explains Big U beating the shit out of Kurrupt.
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 14, 2016, 03:44:49 AM
^Bo De from 60's, Piru Niggaz beat his ass with no regard, why no 60 retaliation, explains Big U beating the shit out of Kurrupt.
60s paid a visit in suges office deep after that and they settled it up probably nice amount of cash had to be paid. suge was tryin to put blame on quik
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: OG Filthy Wimp on February 14, 2016, 05:40:42 AM
^Bo De from 60's, Piru Niggaz beat his ass with no regard, why no 60 retaliation, explains Big U beating the shit out of Kurrupt.
60s paid a visit in suges office deep after that and they settled it up probably nice amount of cash had to be paid. suge was tryin to put blame on quik

^props 8)
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: OG Filthy Wimp on February 14, 2016, 05:44:05 AM
Looks like Keffe D is Currently at Wasco

DAVIS, DUANE  AY6197 49 12/21/2015 Wasco Directions
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 14, 2016, 07:26:40 AM
heron at 2:17
https://www.youtube.com/v/2ALoIOEGiJw
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: abusive on February 14, 2016, 01:12:40 PM
^Bo De from 60's, Piru Niggaz beat his ass with no regard, why no 60 retaliation, explains Big U beating the shit out of Kurrupt.
60s paid a visit in suges office deep after that and they settled it up probably nice amount of cash had to be paid. suge was tryin to put blame on quik
So you two are saying that it was the 60's that put the bounty on the chains over that incident?
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 14, 2016, 01:45:10 PM
^Bo De from 60's, Piru Niggaz beat his ass with no regard, why no 60 retaliation, explains Big U beating the shit out of Kurrupt.
60s paid a visit in suges office deep after that and they settled it up probably nice amount of cash had to be paid. suge was tryin to put blame on quik
So you two are saying that it was the 60's that put the bounty on the chains over that incident?
where i said anythin about bounty for chain? i dont think that some chain would be enough compensation for somebodys death lol on top of that if they wanted to snatch death row chain they had plenty ocasions to do it, for example it was 60's who started arguing with some wutang member at house of blues then some piru snatched his chain but pac took care of that situation and gave him his chain back. if 60s wanted death row chain they could simply take it from kurupt who was affiliated with them
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: fatalsoldier on February 15, 2016, 04:04:32 AM
read the book and watched the film. Great work. I believe this is as close to the truth we will ever get. No more conspiracies, and bull to make money off Pac and Big's name.
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: hrsmn_london on February 18, 2016, 02:33:51 AM
http://tupac187.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/why-i-interviewed-keith-davis-and-why.html?m=1

Further information about how Kading being a crook
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 19, 2016, 10:21:34 AM
you can see orlando anderson in this video at 1:33 and keefy d at 2:24
https://www.youtube.com/v/CkBPl2MlEGM
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 20, 2016, 08:59:06 AM
new greg kading interview on murder master music show

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/murdermastermusicshow/2016/02/20/episode-245-the-movie-murder-rap-with-writer-greg-kading
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: abusive on February 21, 2016, 05:14:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/dlIm2O00A_o
https://www.youtube.com/v/RB-ElfNVRmw
https://www.youtube.com/v/QClJhUVzpz4
https://www.youtube.com/v/MD2S1ybBqLk
https://www.youtube.com/v/Z5apKkbzrg4
https://www.youtube.com/v/ilGTb1-LUrU
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 23, 2016, 01:40:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/mjjL9hjudbU
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on March 04, 2016, 03:00:46 AM
greg kading calls up durring michael douglas carlin interview and destroys his conspiracy theory hahahahaha 8)

http://percolate.blogtalkradio.com/offsiteplayer?hostId=309453&episodeId=8338275
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: fatalsoldier on March 04, 2016, 04:55:49 AM
greg kading calls up durring michael douglas carlin interview and destroys his conspiracy theory hahahahaha 8)

http://percolate.blogtalkradio.com/offsiteplayer?hostId=309453&episodeId=8338275

Shit is funny af. This Michael guy gets completly crushed. Its insane what these people come up with. Thank God Greg is blessed with good communication skills, and solved the case. I'm quite sure 99.9% of the real pac and biggie fans knows what happend, and let the case to rest.
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: fette_chico on March 09, 2016, 06:16:37 PM
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/suge-knight-mob-piru-orlando-anderson-and-the-south-side-compton-crips.289241/

Interesting and epic thread, any other threads like this around?
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: bigpimpin20 on March 14, 2016, 03:34:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/5fstKbYvUYI
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: Blood$ on October 04, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
I actually caught this a few weeks back on TV, pretty interesting stuff... I could see a majority of it being about the closest to the truth out there but obviously we'll never get it 100%
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: jmix on November 03, 2016, 06:05:10 PM
But I don't get why police don't get after puffy?

because there is FUCKING ZERO evidence to back up what Kading is selling. Ask yourselves why you only hear SNIPPETS of the CONFESSION. Its BS

maybe cause the confession is super long and would have made the movie a television series lol either way we heard what we need to hear.

and riot or not a police department losing a case to corruption is something to be avoided at all costs. Think about the heads of the department... the shit storm they'd get from their bosses and the public, they definitely didn't want that. They may have been corrupt themselves and if they lost the case the FBI might've had to do some investigating on who's corrupt and who isn't in the department and they knew they'd get caught. Either way it's something to be avoided at all costs.

I always thought it was bigger than just Diddy and some gang members, and then watching MC Eiht's interview with Vlad when he says all of Compton knew lol seems like none of it would have occurred if Diddy didn't put a reward on the chain.

What happened to Lane and Poochie though? Like why were they murdered? Do you guys think it was Suge's retaliation after he had found out? Plus it's pretty funny that he stopped at Biggie.

And what did the Compton riots ensue?

that is not why it was not released in full. It was dealing with a pcp fbi case and the pac stuff was off record.

i am not shooting the message.

although, kading is a crooked cop with a shady track record. I even called LVMP about these claims and they said it is completely fictional.
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: OG Filthy Wimp on November 07, 2016, 09:43:15 PM
Puffy would have sued Kading for libel if the shit wasnt true, he hasn't and I think he just wants all this shit to go away.  Side note I posted Travon Lane's facebook page on here Jimix is trying to interview
Title: Re: Just watched Murder Rap: Inside The Biggie and Tupac Murders
Post by: jmix on November 11, 2016, 08:45:53 AM
read the book and watched the film. Great work. I believe this is as close to the truth we will ever get. No more conspiracies, and bull to make money off Pac and Big's name.

because a 'Murder Rap' book and a movie is not making money off pac and big? derp.

call lvmp and/or Lapd and ask them if the cases are 'solved'

spoiler alert: they are both open and active.