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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on July 08, 2007, 03:40:17 PM
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Check out this video which details the Christian religions relation to astrology and it's foundations Egyptology.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
In Islam, we know that these past stories are not to be taken literally, and that what is more important to know is that Allah is one and no human "sun of God" should be worshipped.
The Qu'ran teaches us about the allegorical/metaphorical nature of these stories.
Verse 3:7 States:
He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.
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can you answer me a question infinite:
I quick skimmed through an english translation of the qu'ran recently, and found it to be just lots of verses thrown together.
Is that basically what it is?
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*White affluent jew yorker voice* "metaphorical nature of these stories." ha!
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According to naysayers, Islam has its origins (which you can't even spell) in the imperialist ambitions of a man who fucked nine-year old girls and was, by most accounts, a murderous psycho. Perhaps that's why Islam's history is filled with so much violence and war, and why even the supposed "accomplishments" of its Golden Age were made off the backs of conquered peoples.
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I like Astrology. And it doesn't make my women wear drapes in public.
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finished watching this. Still, whoever he was Ra/Osiris/Jesus whoever, there is still an important message in the way Jesus was said to have lived his life and his actions. Even if Jesus is just an idea, it is a good idea. Religion is 95% bullshit politics and dogma, but dosn't mean we should just dismiss that remaining 5% the most important part.
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since there are two topic onthis film i thought that i will post it twice
I only watched the 1st part and all I have to say is:
Lies, Lies, Lies
What is this the Da Vinci code part 2?
Yet another movie designed to stop people believing in Jesus. These people are more clever though they have provided a lot more (false) information. This information is believable if you do not know anything about the topic.
The people in the movie are so ignorant about Christianity and they lie so much, so many false truths and scriptures taken out of context to try and deceive many (which they probably have done)
2 Peter 2:1-3 says
(1) But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. (2)Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. (3) In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
Ok here’s the truth ( I didn’t make this up)
Horus.
Born December the 25 = false 21st December (the winter solstice)
Born of a virgin = false actually one ancient Egyptian relief depicts this conception by showing his mother Isis in a falcon form, hovering over an erect phallus of a dead and prone Osiris in the Underworld
Star in the east = false
Adorned by three kings = no
Teacher at twelve =true
Baptised/ministry 30 = false
12 disciples = false, he had four "disciples called the semi-divine Heru-Shemsu ("Followers of Horus").
Performed miracles = so what
Mother Mary = mother Meri
Crucified/Dead for three days/Resurrected = there is no proof of Horus dying until he later becomes "merged" with Re the Sun god, after which he 'dies' and is 'reborn' every single day as the sun rises
Even the man says “these myths even if they are true or not” the man isn’t even sure
Attis.
Born of a virgin = there is no proof only a few say he was
Born on December 25th = false
Crucified = false he was castrated under a pine tree
Dead for three days = true
Resurrected = false only after Jesus dies people made these claims
Krishna .
Born of a virgin = false
Star in the east
Performed miracles = so what
Resurrected = the are no witnesses of his resurrection it is only found in the novel Mahabharata.
Dionysus.
Born of a virgin = no Zeus slept with his Mother
Born on December = his birthday is celebrated on January 6th
Performed miracles = true so what
King of kings = no only Zeus was called that
Alpha and omega = false
Resurrected = no proof but it is said that he renewed himself and came back every year
Mithra.
Born of a virgin = no born of a rock
Born on December 25th = he’s birth day is celebrated on the 25th so what
12 disciples = no proof
Performed miracles = true, so what
Dead for three days = false
Resurrected = false (taken from The Da Vinci Code)
The way truth and light = not true
Sunday worship = no evidence
The same applies to all of the other God’s. Do you see how false their information is? A lot of it is just made up/ twisted (in order to make a good documentary/movie). The only thing some of them really have in common with Jesus is that they Performed miracles (just like any other God,) like I said before “so what” .
Revelation on Jesus.
The is no account in the bible of Jesus begin Born on the 25th December
The bible doesn’t say how many wise men visited Jesus, no where in the bible does it say that there was three of them
It is said that Jesus was Born in 6 or 5 BC not 1 AD this has always been a big misconception
So their claims about the stars etc do really stick.
Noah and Gilgamesh.
There is proof that Gilgamesh’s story was written after Noah’s
Moses and Sargon .
I don’t know how they could say there was plagiarism with Moses and Sargon The only similarities that these two had were:
The birth was kept secret
He was placed in a reed basket (which isn’t uncommon when getting rid of a child)
Covered with bitumen
The baby in the basket was set on a river
The baby was discovered and adopted
Wow the story of Moses must be false because of these similarities
People please don’t let these people tell you anything on Christianity these people are ignorant liars. The bible condemns Astrology this is what God says about the wickedness of Babylon
Isaiah 47:13-15 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. (14) Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by. (15) That is all they can do for you—these you have labored with and trafficked with since childhood. Each of them goes on in his error; there is not one that can save you.
God said not even Astrologers of Magician could save them form God’s wrath and astrologer and magicians will be burnt like straw.
You ever wonder why Jesus (the most influential person even, who did nothing wrong) is the Most attacked person in History, its because Jesus is the only way to God
the Devil s (the ruler of this earth system) knows this
That is why you do not see any other religious people/leaders (Krishna, Buddha and the rest) attacked (even though there is so much to criticise them about) as much as Jesus because the devil knows if he can stop you from believing that Jesus is the way, he has won if you think about it there is no reason for people to make movies like this but only for evil purposes if people are happy believing in/coming to Jesus why make a film like this to try and stop people.
why isnt Islam, Buddaism, Hinduism, Criticised as much?
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I like Astrology. And it doesn't make my women wear drapes in public.
Yeah, your women are sold as commodities and look like whores in public. The dress down at home for their husband and then put make up on and dress sexy to go out in public.
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I like Astrology. And it doesn't make my women wear drapes in public.
Yeah, your women are sold as commodities and look like whores in public. The dress down at home for their husband and then put make up on and dress sexy to go out in public.
Wrong again my friend. Some of our women sell themselves as commodities and and look like whores in public. Some don't. What these women choose relies entire upon them. As opposed to being told to dress covered or suffer violent consequences. If I had to choose between having a daughter that was a porn star who did orgy scenes or a daughter that married a muslim in a muslim country and not allowed to even show her hair in public, I'd choose the former every fucking time. Why? Because at the end of the day my daughter has an indepedant choice to stop the porn and lead a different lifestyle. The latter's choice is not independant. Her safety is dependant on the society she lives in and the mindset of the violent population of "righteous" men who deem it acceptible to protect good with evil, violent destructive evil.
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I like Astrology. And it doesn't make my women wear drapes in public.
Yeah, your women are sold as commodities and look like whores in public. The dress down at home for their husband and then put make up on and dress sexy to go out in public.
you really are pathetic arent you? i was brought up in a Christian household, i for one am not a devout Christian but believe that there is a God all the same. why do you feel the need to "bash" all religions besides Islam at all times? if you are a Muslim then yeh, fair enough, there is no need to try and disprove Christianity at all times. just let it go. you are a White, Muslim convert, the rest of us are happy to be what we are. we dont require ridiculous propaganda films to make us change religon, and convert to Islam. we are happy as we are...
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shakurs white? wow i did not know that (cuz im sort of new to this board) i thought he was an arab guy. shakur what type of white are you?: white like albanian, russian polish or like american/english? (this is not a racist question, i was just wondering) cuz i dont think i have ever seen/spoke to a pure white muslim. are your parents muslim or just you?
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I like Astrology. And it doesn't make my women wear drapes in public.
Yeah, your women are sold as commodities and look like whores in public. The dress down at home for their husband and then put make up on and dress sexy to go out in public.
nigga where are you from? be honest
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I like Astrology. And it doesn't make my women wear drapes in public.
Yeah, your women are sold as commodities and look like whores in public. The dress down at home for their husband and then put make up on and dress sexy to go out in public.
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is that really your opinion on non-muslim women? i hope this is just a period in your life and u will grow out of it.
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shakurs white? wow i did not know that (cuz im sort of new to this board) i thought he was an arab guy. shakur what type of white are you?: white like albanian, russian polish or like american/english? (this is not a racist question, i was just wondering) cuz i dont think i have ever seen/spoke to a pure white muslim. are your parents muslim or just you?
He was one of those rebellious nerd type white kids whohated his parents nd society because nobody liked him. (Trauma has said his father wan alcoholic). He did anything and everything to separate himself from conventional white america. Before Islam he was telling us Tupac Shakur was a spiritual figure and a religion should be centred around him. He was going to be the founder. Then he discovered Malcom X and later the Quran. It's been like this ever since.
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^He realized he could never be black, but he could be muslim. That was the blackest he could get. Too bad most blacks abuse Islam as an excuse to be militant and shit.
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There will always be stories, made up to discredit Jesus!!
Jesus said that these stories will surface!!
I see nothing wrong in believing in what he Preached!!
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Too bad most blacks abuse Islam as an excuse to be militant and shit.
I guess they are just getting Islam back, since Islam abused most blacks as an excuse to be slave traders and shit.
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Too bad most blacks abuse Islam as an excuse to be militant and shit.
I guess they are just getting Islam back, since Islam abused most blacks as an excuse to be slave traders and shit.
So True!!!
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I posted up some information. I was not telling anyone how to live their lives. Everyone is free to follow their own unique interests, which is what I have done with my own life, and you can do the same with yours.
...The problem with this thread is that Trauma lacked the knowledge necassary to raise issue with the information I had presented, he changed the subject and made a statement against Muslim women. So I presented the fact that non-Muslim women are often sold as commodities, and that they tend to look more sexy out in public then they do at home for their own husband.
Then, again, people could not argue that, so they decided to make false claims about me that I was some nerdy kid who nobody liked... when none of that is the truth and the person who made those statements doesn't know anything about me or my past.
So if you all want the truth of my situation, I was a white kid, with white Christian parents (my father was a heavy drinker for those who have taken up such a great interest in my personal life), I grew up in the suburbs. Yes, I was interested in hip-hop and back in the day (and still love and enjoy 80's and 90's hip-hop) I did call 2pac a hip-hop prophet, because he prophecized his death and many things that happened in the industry and within hip-hop.
I was heavily interested and fascinated with Islam and Muslims and I converted to Islam when I was 18 years old in Febuary of 2001. I have since been able to go on Hajj in Mekkah and have been able to spend time in 2 other Arab gulf countries (Emirates and Oman). My political views are mostly Libertarian (which means I am for keeping government as small as possible) these days as I have a great interest in the perspectives expounded by Harry Browne, however my religion is Islam, and I am still a Muslim. Because Islam is the most logical religion, in that it is a monotheistic religion which does not worship any man, statue, person, place or time, but rather teaches it's believers to worship the Highest Power. And the creation is proof of a Creator, so it is I feel is grounded in truth.
Peace.
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...The problem with this thread is that Trauma lacked the knowledge necassary to raise issue with the information I had presented, he changed the subject and made a statement against Muslim women. So I presented the fact that non-Muslim women are often sold as commodities, and that they tend to look more sexy out in public then they do at home for their own husband.
Then, again, people could not argue that, so they decided to make false claims about me that I was some nerdy kid who nobody liked... when none of that is the truth and the person who made those statements doesn't know anything about me or my past.
That someone that knows nothing about you is me and if you took the time to actually think about what I wrote and how I wrote it you'd see it was said in a jest. A joke; you know how every time I respond to any of your bullshuit posts you just ignore my responses and move on like they didn't exist simply because you can't argue back? That's a joke to me too. I come to you with logical thought out responses and have no intent of insulting you or your religion and you ignore them.
I even responded to your argument about muslim women vs non-muslim women.
I like Astrology. And it doesn't make my women wear drapes in public.
Yeah, your women are sold as commodities and look like whores in public. The dress down at home for their husband and then put make up on and dress sexy to go out in public.
Wrong again my friend. Some of our women sell themselves as commodities and and look like whores in public. Some don't. What these women choose relies entire upon them. As opposed to being told to dress covered or suffer violent consequences. If I had to choose between having a daughter that was a porn star who did orgy scenes or a daughter that married a muslim in a muslim country and not allowed to even show her hair in public, I'd choose the former every fucking time. Why? Because at the end of the day my daughter has an indepedant choice to stop the porn and lead a different lifestyle. The latter's choice is not independant. Her safety is dependant on the society she lives in and the mindset of the violent population of "righteous" men who deem it acceptible to protect good with evil, violent destructive evil.
Give me an answer. I fucking dare you. Or just ignore this post too and keep trying to convince yourself that no one has a response for your genius arguments.
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Wrong again my friend. Some of our women sell themselves as commodities and and look like whores in public. Some don't. What these women choose relies entire upon them. As opposed to being told to dress covered or suffer violent consequences. If I had to choose between having a daughter that was a porn star who did orgy scenes or a daughter that married a muslim in a muslim country and not allowed to even show her hair in public, I'd choose the former every fucking time. Why? Because at the end of the day my daughter has an indepedant choice to stop the porn and lead a different lifestyle. The latter's choice is not independant. Her safety is dependant on the society she lives in and the mindset of the violent population of "righteous" men who deem it acceptible to protect good with evil, violent destructive evil.
Give me an answer. I fucking dare you. Or just ignore this post too and keep trying to convince yourself that no one has a response for your genius arguments.
I have no problem responding to what you have said above. Let me make 3 simple points.
#1. It is very rare that you will find a Muslim country that is forcing their women wear scarves as a dress code. I can only think of two, Saudi Arabia and Iran; and even in those cases it is not very strictly enforced.
#2. America also has a dress code. You can't run through the streets naked. So every society determines according to their own values what they consider to be decent behaivor.
#3. I don't agree with forcing any woman to wear a scarf if they don't want to. Allah says in Suratal Zumar 39:2 "...Worship God, and be SINCERE in your religion". Many times sincerity is mentioned as a condition for acts of worship. Allah also says in verse 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion". So what is the point of forcing any woman to wear something for a religious purpose? Any religious act done by someone just because they are being forced, is a useless act that has no real value.
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Volume 5, Book 59, Number 709:
Narrated Abu Bakra:
During the days (of the battle) of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a word I had heard from Allah's Apostle after I had been about to join the Companions of Al-Jamal (i.e. the camel) and fight along with them. When Allah's Apostle was informed that the Persians had crowned the daughter of Khosrau as their ruler, he said, "Such people as ruled by a lady will never be successful."
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Wrong again my friend. Some of our women sell themselves as commodities and and look like whores in public. Some don't. What these women choose relies entire upon them. As opposed to being told to dress covered or suffer violent consequences. If I had to choose between having a daughter that was a porn star who did orgy scenes or a daughter that married a muslim in a muslim country and not allowed to even show her hair in public, I'd choose the former every fucking time. Why? Because at the end of the day my daughter has an indepedant choice to stop the porn and lead a different lifestyle. The latter's choice is not independant. Her safety is dependant on the society she lives in and the mindset of the violent population of "righteous" men who deem it acceptible to protect good with evil, violent destructive evil.
Give me an answer. I fucking dare you. Or just ignore this post too and keep trying to convince yourself that no one has a response for your genius arguments.
I have no problem responding to what you have said above. Let me make 3 simple points.
#1. It is very rare that you will find a Muslim country that is forcing their women wear scarves as a dress code. I can only think of two, Saudi Arabia and Iran; and even in those cases it is not very strictly enforced.
#2. America also has a dress code. You can't run through the streets naked. So every society determines according to their own values what they consider to be decent behaivor.
#3. I don't agree with forcing any woman to wear a scarf if they don't want to. Allah says in Suratal Zumar 39:2 "...Worship God, and be SINCERE in your religion". Many times sincerity is mentioned as a condition for acts of worship. Allah also says in verse 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion". So what is the point of forcing any woman to wear something for a religious purpose? Any religious act done by someone just because they are being forced, is a useless act that has no real value.
I don't know how the governments over their handle the issue. What I was saying was society. Now I've never been over there so if someone can answer this for me I'd appreciate it. If a woman decides to dress up with hair flowing cleavage exposed, midsection showing and a short skirt and walk around in the town square can she do so with out the probability of some nutcase or nutcases violently showing her that she shouldn't do that?
In Toronto where I am women can legally walk topless, but comparing public nudity to a sexist dress code is as stupid as most of your posts.
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In Toronto where I am women can legally walk topless, but comparing public nudity to a sexist dress code is as stupid as most of your posts.
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In Toronto where I am women can legally walk topless, but comparing public nudity to a sexist dress code is as stupid as most of your posts.
I was just pointing out that different societies and different people follow different moral codes, and so it is quite pretentious for you to assume that another place, culture and person should have to live according to the moral code you have chosen for yourself.
It's funny that it is Christians in this post complaining about the way Muslim women dress, when if you look at any picture of Mary you will see she is dressed the same way. Nuns still dress in such a way. Also, in the Bible, in both the old and new testament women are told to dress the same way Muslim women dress. In fact, in one place in the Bible, I think it may have been Paul who said it, he says that if the woman feels the need to pray without her scarf on, then she deserves to have her head shaved as punishment.
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In Toronto where I am women can legally walk topless, but comparing public nudity to a sexist dress code is as stupid as most of your posts.
I was just pointing out that different societies and different people follow different moral codes, and so it is quite pretentious for you to assume that another place, culture and person should have to live according to the moral code you have chosen for yourself.
It's funny that it is Christians in this post complaining about the way Muslim women dress, when if you look at any picture of Mary you will see she is dressed the same way. Nuns still dress in such a way. Also, in the Bible, in both the old and new testament women are told to dress the same way Muslim women dress. In fact, in one place in the Bible, I think it may have been Paul who said it, he says that if the woman feels the need to pray without her scarf on, then she deserves to have her head shaved as punishment.
Paul like Moses was a man who couldn't stand above the times he lived in. I really could care less about the rules he or Moses say if they are not consistent with the Gospel and Jesus was in the beginning was the Word of God, with God and God at the same time. That being said, this is not an issue of how women choose to dress or act. This is an issue of how they are allowed to dress an act in society. Freedom of choice so long as it doesn't infringe on the freedom of others is something that every human being is entitled to. I wouldn't want my daughter dressing like a slut or acting like a slut, but I'd feel a lot better about walking in on my daughter fucking three guys at once than I would walking into a hospital room visiting my daughter who is in a coma because some idiot thought it was sinful to dress and act like she was doing and threw stones at her head.
My church does have a covered Mary. My grandmother wore a veil over her head almost everywhere she went, and always at church. That was her choice. If any member of my church ever put their hannds on and attacked any woman for not dressing like my grandmother then I would be the first to stand in their way. And if my church approved of such acts then I'd be the first to never enter it again.
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this thread makes me think of a stand up show I saw.....the guy said
"Do I believe in Jesus, no but I do think he was a great role model. Mainly because was never quoted as saying blessed are the meek for they shall get laid. Promissing pussy in the after life is just low."