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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: abusive on January 10, 2022, 02:17:30 PM
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https://youtu.be/bgj0l_IO-ko
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sure
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He made the beat. Irv produced the record. Crazy these dudes act like they don't know what that means. I get it though.
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He made the beat. Irv produced the record. Crazy these dudes act like they don't know what that means. I get it though.
ok but the problem here is "without asking" part.
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I feel like he produced the beat.
Irv got X the beat. I can't say Irv did anything other than that so I can't say he produced the song.
As far as I'm concerned X and this guy are the song producers.
Irv shouldn't be paid for life if that's all he did. He should have gotten some sort of finders fee. I think that falls into the executive producer area and I'm not sure how he should be compensated for that.
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irv is like a cross between puffy and dre
while he’s not totally hands off like puff, he’s not nearly as hands on as dre
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Not sure about Irv Gotti (because I'm not a fan), but what it sounds like to me is Irv was more like a glorified A&R--and had links and relationships with a lot of artists and producers and he knew what was hot--and so he could find a beat and link it with the right artists and project to put it on and make shit happen. So he was the cat that made shit happen and he was strong on the business end so he made sure that he got paid when shit popped off. That's what this all sounds like to me.
...So it's not as simple as saying Irv didn't do nothing. Okay.. but he did help blow up your music. So that counts for something.
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This is Same Grease right?
Dopeness.
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Not sure about Irv Gotti (because I'm not a fan), but what it sounds like to me is Irv was more like a glorified A&R--and had links and relationships with a lot of artists and producers and he knew what was hot--and so he could find a beat and link it with the right artists and project to put it on and make shit happen. So he was the cat that made shit happen and he was strong on the business end so he made sure that he got paid when shit popped off. That's what this all sounds like to me.
...So it's not as simple as saying Irv didn't do nothing. Okay.. but he did help blow up your music. So that counts for something.
There's no evidence that he did anything to do with the he record based on the clip. Why move the goal post? X wasn't signed to murder inc he was on ruff Ryder's. Even if he did help the record blow, that has nothing to do with taking production credit. What you just described is the con the music industry has been doing by leveraging their ability to break an artist in exchange for a lifetime of compensation. When in reality they are already paid a salary to help artist blow. Its their job. When Jewish people do this we are outraged.
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Irv Gotti back then is what DJ Khaled is now. He shouldn't be compared to Diddy or Dre EVER and I actually like Irv Gotti.
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Now the Beatmaker vs. Producer convos will kick in..3..2..1..Detox,Its Comin Babe!
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Irv Gotti back then is what DJ Khaled is now. He shouldn't be compared to Diddy or Dre EVER and I actually like Irv Gotti.
actually diddy wasn’t far from khaled himself
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actually diddy wasn’t far from khaled himself
I and some others compare Dre and Diddy to Quincy Jones. I give Dre more credit because he is more hands on and knows music theory. Quincy Jones is literally like a conductor of an orchestra with a team of people he instructs to play what he wants them to play, which is sort of the same thing Diddy does with his team of producers like the Hitmen. There is studio footage of Diddy in the studio at least. DJ Khaled? None in sight. I don't think Khaled has made a beat in over two decades.
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I and some others compare Dre and Diddy to Quincy Jones. I give Dre more credit because he is more hands on and knows music theory. Quincy Jones is literally like a conductor of an orchestra with a team of people he instructs to play what he wants them to play, which is sort of the same thing Diddy does with his team of producers like the Hitmen. There is studio footage of Diddy in the studio at least. DJ Khaled? None in sight. I don't think Khaled has made a beat in over two decades.
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There's no evidence that he did anything to do with the he record based on the clip. Why move the goal post? X wasn't signed to murder inc he was on ruff Ryder's. Even if he did help the record blow, that has nothing to do with taking production credit. What you just described is the con the music industry has been doing by leveraging their ability to break an artist in exchange for a lifetime of compensation. When in reality they are already paid a salary to help artist blow. Its their job. When Jewish people do this we are outraged.
I’m cool with that.. I’m no fan of Irv.... but for the sake of argument let’s say all he did was matched the beat to the artist and concept for song. Wouldn’t that also kind of be producing??
Like... okay... let’s say Quincy Jones arrived at the studio for a song.. and he commissions a guy to make a beat, and he hears it and then he knows who will sound perfect on that so he commissions someone to sing over that beat, isn’t that producing in a way??
Maybe it is... Maybe it’s not... but if it’s not what would you call it?? Because it did involve some musical know how. It wasn’t just simply A&R work because on the music side you had to vision creatively what and who would sound good over the beat.
So I think a producer or co-producer nod is probably fair
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This is Same Grease right?
Dopeness.
You mean Dame Grease? No. It's a producer named Self aka Self Service. You can look at his credits on Discogs.
https://www.discogs.com/artist/175973-Self-2
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Its 2022, people still don know diference betwen producer and beatmaker. If you make a beat its dosent mean you produced a track. Or if you make a loop.
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On the other hand people need to stop ask if dre "produced" this or that. He should rather be asked if he did the beat. That would be a whole other conversation.
Because dre still got that mindset where he thinks that it's about producing a record, not creating the actual beat.
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On the other hand people need to stop ask if dre "produced" this or that. He should rather be asked if he did the beat. That would be a whole other conversation.
Because dre still got that mindset where he thinks that it's about producing a record, not creating the actual beat.
Do we know that for sure with any of the people named in the video? There was a time where we assumed produced by meant they did the beat. This was before the super producer title was created. Like I said before, it doesn't sound like Irv made the beat or even produced the song.
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Do we know that for sure with any of the people named in the video? There was a time where we assumed produced by meant they did the beat. This was before the super producer title was created. Like I said before, it doesn't sound like Irv made the beat or even produced the song.
Yeah remember Eminem's first album SSLP- it was like "produced by Bass Brothers" for nearly all the tracks. He becomes a star and then suddenly on his second album MMLP everything is "produced by Eminem" (co-produced by Bass Brothers or interlude, guitar, Jeff Bass).
Eminem says he didn't realize doing his first album that when he was humming stuff to those guys or telling them "make it sound like this" that he was actually "producing".
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Do we know that for sure with any of the people named in the video? There was a time where we assumed produced by meant they did the beat. This was before the super producer title was created. Like I said before, it doesn't sound like Irv made the beat or even produced the song.
Irv said it on drink champs. When he arrive energy of the song was trash, than he said it to X, its no good, do it again. And X step up in the booth and start yelling on the intro you think its a game, you think its a fucking game. Rest is history.
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Irv said it on drink champs. When he arrive energy of the song was trash, than he said it to X, its no good, do it again. And X step up in the booth and start yelling on the intro you think its a game, you think its a fucking game. Rest is history.
Remember when the vid dropped
The energy was was fiyah
X gon give it to ya too.
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Irv said it on drink champs. When he arrive energy of the song was trash, than he said it to X, its no good, do it again. And X step up in the booth and start yelling on the intro you think its a game, you think its a fucking game. Rest is history.
Thanks. I'm just going by the video.
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Yeah remember Eminem's first album SSLP- it was like "produced by Bass Brothers" for nearly all the tracks. He becomes a star and then suddenly on his second album MMLP everything is "produced by Eminem" (co-produced by Bass Brothers or interlude, guitar, Jeff Bass).
Eminem says he didn't realize doing his first album that when he was humming stuff to those guys or telling them "make it sound like this" that he was actually "producing".
Exactly. The most minute detail is considered production but you have a cult of people who want to say making the actual music isn't. It's funny how they break their necks to not call the beat makers producers so they can uplift themselves to super producer status.
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A lot of times beatmaker makes a beat send it to artist and dont do anything else on it. Like i said, beatmakeing and producing is two different worlds.
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A lot of times beatmaker makes a beat send it to artist and dont do anything else on it. Like i said, beatmakeing and producing is two different worlds.
Making a beat is still apart of the production tho.
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Making a beat is still apart of the production tho.
It is.
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Yeah remember Eminem's first album SSLP- it was like "produced by Bass Brothers" for nearly all the tracks. He becomes a star and then suddenly on his second album MMLP everything is "produced by Eminem" (co-produced by Bass Brothers or interlude, guitar, Jeff Bass).
Eminem says he didn't realize doing his first album that when he was humming stuff to those guys or telling them "make it sound like this" that he was actually "producing".
Exactly. Pac was a producer too.
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Exactly. Pac was a producer too.
Under
2Pac
https://www.discogs.com/artist/100752-2Pac?type=Credits&subtype=Production&filter_anv=0
Makaveli
https://www.discogs.com/artist/187503-Makaveli?type=Credits&subtype=Production&filter_anv=0
Thug Music
https://www.discogs.com/artist/173628-Thug-Music?type=Credits&subtype=Production&filter_anv=0