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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: bestinthewest on April 07, 2005, 07:04:55 PM
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Check this shizz :o
http://www.power106.fm/gallery/jayz.aspx
I know yall are west coast, but summa this is pretty disturbing. In addition to the ones they list, I also noticed:
Now once upon a time not too long ago
A nigga like myself had to strong arm a hoe
This is not a hoe in the sense of havin' a pussy
But a pussy havin' no God damn sense, try and push me
-Jay-Z, "99 Problems" offa The Black Album
is the EXACT SAME verse as:
Now, once upon a time not too long ago
A nigga like myself had to strong arm a ho
Now, this was not a ho in the sense of havin' a pussy,
But a pussy havin' no goddamn sense, tryin' to push me
-UGK, "Touched" offa Ridin Dirty
and then jay bit more of biggie's lines:
Yes.. a lime to a lemon, my V-A women
walk in Manolo Blahniks cause my condo with elevators in 'em
-Jay-Z, "Fuck All Nite" offa Blueprint 2
Uh, uh, what, uh
I'm a lime to a lemon, my CeCe women
Bringin in ten G minimums to condos with elevators in 'em
-Notorious B.I.G. rappin on Michael Jackson's "Unbreakable" offa Invincible
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doesnt surprise me.....
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Yea, I know about this..thats why i dont understand why all these east coast cats say he''s the greatest...or the best rapper alive. Bitch please!
But he's good..i give respect where is respect is due.
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Jay-Z alwayz been a Bitch,but he aint tha only 1, alotta other catz in rap iz bitin' now,thatz whatz makin hip-hop decline.itz koo 2 take a couple linez,but if U try 2 play it off az ya own,U jus Con'n the art of hip-hop.Some str8 BITCHE ASS NIGGAZZ...
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lol i thought it was the worst when T.I. sampled Jay-Z sayin "So them rings and things you sing about / Bring em out / It's hard to yell when the bar-rel's in your mouth" for "Bring em out," and T.I. shows up in the video wearing a Reasonable Doubt t-shirt.
Boy - betta learn yo rap history! that line was jacked straight from a posthumous Biggie, Meth, Red collabo:
The rings and things you sing about, bring 'em out
It's hard to yell when the barrel's in your mouth
-Biggie, "Rap Phenomenon" offa Born Again
BTW - does anyone know how/why someone gets negative karma? I've been tryna figure out y i have negative karma or waht that means.
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it dont mean shit. it means some lame read one of your posts and felt it necessary to go out of his way to express his emotions through the net
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ahh....thanks king tech :)
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Isnt this like last year, early this year old...ive heard this and had this for a while
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I posted this shit up a LONG time ago...
Crazy to see that Power is playing it... I hear that they play it bunch on XM radio too.
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one of the reason's why i don't like jay-z, the greatest alive? fuck no
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Speaking of rhyme jackin', one of Snoop's verses on Nothin' but a gangsta party with 2pac was jacked from this old school hip hop joint from the early to mid 80's. One of my boys had an old school tape and that song came on and my jaw dropped. I wish I could remember the name of the song.
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"I say a BIG verse im only biggin' up my brother"
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^fuck that
people dont see that the only reason jay-z made it to the top is cuz he stole hella lyrics from biggie & tried to take his place.
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I guess Itz all about tha MONEY!....Wish i had some right about now.
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Speaking of rhyme jackin', one of Snoop's verses on Nothin' but a gangsta party with 2pac was jacked from this old school hip hop joint from the early to mid 80's. One of my boys had an old school tape and that song came on and my jaw dropped. I wish I could remember the name of the song.
or off Pimp slapped..
original Quik line from "Tonight"....
A day in the life of a playa named Quik
Im just a stubborn kinda brotha with a head like a brick
And just because i sip the eight, they say that im hopeless
But i dont give a fuck so blame it on the locness
Now this is how we do it when we checkin a grip
Teddy Bear is in tha house, so dont even trip
I bust a funky composition thats as smooth as a prizm
Now check it as i kick off in this funky ass rhythm....
Snoop line from Pimp Slapped.....
A day in the life a rollin twenty crip
Im just a stubborn kinda brotha with a head like a brick
And just because i sip moet, they say that im hopeless
But i dont give a fuck, so blame it on the locness
Now this is how we do it when we checkin a grip
its Snoop Dogg in this bitch, so dont even trip
I bust a funky composition thats as smooth as a prizm
Now check it as i kick off in this funky ass rhythm....
not word for word...but still...
I never was sure tho whether he was givin props to Quik by usin those lines or not, based on what the song talks about after that...
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btw, who in the world would actually be surprised at Jay Z bitin? i been callin this fool a biter for years...
"We left yah prayin for Jesus, and yah chokin like smokas/
Pulled yah card so many times, like yall tha jokers in poker/
Its Tone, im cold from the shoulders, and no more games cus im older/
But red rover, red rover...send Jayhova on ova/
Im sick and tired of all these muthafuckas bitin our shit/
Tell me whos writin yah spits, and quit ridin our dicks/"
~Dayg0stylz aka ToNe...
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i dont understand why people like Foxy Brown arent getting all this shit, at least Jay-Z is dope, and has released enough material imo to be regarded as the goat...whether you agree he is or not, people are making waaaayy too much out of this...
biting lyrics etc happens all day everyday in rap...
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not new, already know this. Jay's still a dope mc
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i dont understand why people like Foxy Brown arent getting all this shit, at least Jay-Z is dope, and has released enough material imo to be regarded as the goat...whether you agree he is or not, people are making waaaayy too much out of this...
biting lyrics etc happens all day everyday in rap...
agreed
on the real, can someone tell me one about any one rapper that does bite lyrics or beats........?
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i dont understand why people like Foxy Brown arent getting all this shit, at least Jay-Z is dope, and has released enough material imo to be regarded as the goat...whether you agree he is or not, people are making waaaayy too much out of this...
biting lyrics etc happens all day everyday in rap...
yea but just coz it happens it should be alright? fuck naw thatīs one the principles of hip hop that been around since day 1. you donīt bite in graffiti,rapping,breaking or dj:ing and itīs always been that way so it aint ok.
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i dont understand why people like Foxy Brown arent getting all this shit, at least Jay-Z is dope, and has released enough material imo to be regarded as the goat...whether you agree he is or not, people are making waaaayy too much out of this...
biting lyrics etc happens all day everyday in rap...
yea but just coz it happens it should be alright? fuck naw thatīs one the principles of hip hop that been around since day 1. you donīt bite in graffiti,rapping,breaking or dj:ing and itīs always been that way so it aint ok.
ok, your entitled to your opinion but i just dont see why people are acting so shocked by this and acting like Jay-Z is the first artist to take lyrics from someone else and use them in his songs...
ive got a question then...shouldnt every producer who samples be criticised and called a biter? they are taking other peoples work and calling it their own after all...
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i dont understand why people like Foxy Brown arent getting all this shit, at least Jay-Z is dope, and has released enough material imo to be regarded as the goat...whether you agree he is or not, people are making waaaayy too much out of this...
biting lyrics etc happens all day everyday in rap...
yea but just coz it happens it should be alright? fuck naw thatīs one the principles of hip hop that been around since day 1. you donīt bite in graffiti,rapping,breaking or dj:ing and itīs always been that way so it aint ok.
ok, your entitled to your opinion but i just dont see why people are acting so shocked by this and acting like Jay-Z is the first artist to take lyrics from someone else and use them in his songs...
ive got a question then...shouldnt every producer who samples be criticised and called a biter? they are taking other peoples work and calling it their own after all...
the art of producing is different the art of rapping. And no, it isnt using another persons line or even lines thats such a big deal...but give credit where its due. Ive used others lines...but ive done it in a way where its OBVIOUS where it came from as soon as u hear it, and its done more as a respect thing.
As far as the "Foxy" thing, she does get dissed. Jay Z gets it worse....only cus so many out there (in NY) consider him some sorta rap god. I never really felt him. Foxy is just a joke, so who cares lol. Her shits all ghostwritten anyways, and that shit is ten times worse.
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Well, I'll stick up for him. A lot of this is intentional. He doesnt' think yall are idiots, he knows you've heard every BIG song, so he either uses the same verse, or a portion of it to cast back to Biggie. Jay Z is easily talented enough to write his own rhymes, which he's proven on dozens and dozens of dope songs, every once in a while he says someone elses rhyme as a way to give props.
Snoop did the same thing with Quik on Pimp Slapp'd, that song was just for people out west, because it's about Suge, and he named off all those gang members and shit, everybody he was talking to knew that Quik wrote that verse.
The guy covered "Lodi Dodi" on his first CD, he likes doing his favorite verses from other people. Like Jay Z, he's easily proven he can write his own material without biting lines, he just bites lines to bring attention in people's mind to the original artist.
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This iz my opinion......FUUUUUUUUCK JAY-Z.!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, I'll stick up for him. A lot of this is intentional. He doesnt' think yall are idiots, he knows you've heard every BIG song, so he either uses the same verse, or a portion of it to cast back to Biggie. Jay Z is easily talented enough to write his own rhymes, which he's proven on dozens and dozens of dope songs, every once in a while he says someone elses rhyme as a way to give props.
Snoop did the same thing with Quik on Pimp Slapp'd, that song was just for people out west, because it's about Suge, and he named off all those gang members and shit, everybody he was talking to knew that Quik wrote that verse.
The guy covered "Lodi Dodi" on his first CD, he likes doing his favorite verses from other people. Like Jay Z, he's easily proven he can write his own material without biting lines, he just bites lines to bring attention in people's mind to the original artist.
ABSOLUTELY.
Thank fuck someone else on the board is bright enough to realise this.
What Jay-Z does isn't 'biting'. He would have no problem saying those lines are Biggie's - he's quoting them, not trying to pass them off as his own.
It's just the same as Pac on 'My Mind's Made Up', when he says Two years ago / A friend of mine... - anyone with even a slight knowledge of hip-hop should realise that's not his lyric, but he's adapting a classic line for a new generation, not ripping it off.
A proper example of biting is Master P ripping off other rappers' flows when they're fashionable (Pac's and Scarface's in particular)
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Well, I got mixed feelings on it.
One thing y'all might not realize unless you hear "i'm not a biter I'm a writer" is that he doesn't just jack Biggie rhymes or rhymes from songs that everybody's heard...he bites a grip of lyrics that are from songs that most of us who are 21 and younger have never ever heard before. He has bit 2-4 bars from a lotta songs that old school heads are probably familliar with, but that's it. Snoop, and many other rappers do take lines from songs, but it's usually from songs that everybody knows and that were radio hits.
I donno, it annoys me a lot but I wouldn't say it makes him wack. I just get annoyed when people always use that "everybody does that" because not only does he do it much much more than most rappers, and not only does he take lines we've never heard, but he claims to be the #1 rapper and all that. And it's nothin worst than when you hear somebody say somethin like "damn Jay-Z is real, you heard when he said _______" and you are like um.......he actually got that from ______ and they are like "no he didn't, he said it first!" you know.
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That's bullshit. He 'bites' old rhymes by people you've never even heard, because to people who HAVE heard, it's a cast back to that old style.
Do yall honestly think he isn't skilled enough to write his own shit? Are you crazy? This guy is easy one of the best writers around.
You hear a rhyme, then later find out he didn't write it, and get mad about it? It's YOU that's the problem, heads know he didn't write that, and when they hear it, they go "Oh, shit, I forgot about that Grandmaster Flash track, or Man, that's Big Daddy Kane!".
What it comes down to is, the guy has CONSISTANT wrote dope song after dope song without 'biting'. I think it's obvious to anybody with half a mind that when he borrows somebody's lines, he's doing it to say "Hey, i like this, this was dope shit when Kurt Blow said it back then".
Snoop doing it on Pimp Slapp'd WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE FUCKING SONG. Everybody he named on the song were people nobody'd know except people in the street in L.A., and everyone of them would know that's Quik's verse, and would say "Damn, Snoop fucked Suge up with Quik's verse from 'Tonight'"...
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The problem here is yall don't know your shit! Jay Z and Snoop ain't trying to slide one by, they're both excellent writers, you think they'd cop out and just jack shit, knowing full well anybody could hear the original track? The problem is, YOU just haven't heard the original track, and man... THEY HAVE. To them, everybody's heard Quik's verse on "Tonight", so of course everybody's gonna immediately catch on that that's Quik's writing, that's the whole point!
Dog they could get SUED for doing shit like that... and why would they do it, when they could just write it themselves? THEY CAN WRITE! It'd be one thing if Dr. Dre or somebody who doesn't write much was doing it, then maybe you could say "oh shit"... but Snoop and Jay can both write their own, and have written their own not once, or not twice, but DOZENS of times and came off with a hit.
It's pretty amazing to me that anybody wouldn't see they're complimenting the original writers.
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Real talk Trauma & Lord Funk. (http://forum.hardware.no/html/emoticons/new_yes.gif)
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Snoop doing it on Pimp Slapp'd WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE FUCKING SONG. Everybody he named on the song were people nobody'd know except people in the street in L.A., and everyone of them would know that's Quik's verse, and would say "Damn, Snoop fucked Suge up with Quik's verse from 'Tonight'"...
thats why i wasnt sure if Snoop was just givin props to Quik on that song. If you listen to the song, he keeps mentionin how it aint about "crip or blood". Suge's from Campanella Park (supposedly), and so was Mausberg from Quiks crew. So when he made that line saying "its friday morning, the phone is ringin off the deck/ and its some homies talkin bout i disrespected they set/" the first thing i thought was maybe it was Quik who hit him up, and he used Quiks verse to show respect. But thats just a guess...
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YO JAY-Z FANZ!....WHY YALL TRYIN 2 BAK THAT NIGGA UP?,HE JUS MAKIN UP A BUNCH OF EXCUSES ACTIN LIKE ITZ OKAY 2 DO WHAT HE DOIN',WHEN IZ THAT FATLIP NIGGA GON REEAALLY RETIRE!!!!
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like Jay says, he's just givin props when he uses a couple of lines from someone else
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like Jay says, he's just givin props when he uses a couple of lines from someone else
Another Excuse.He aint original like Nas?
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Nas is way better than Jay in my opinion.
Snoop also "covered" Vapors too.
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"i say a BIG verse, i'm only bigging up my brother"
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yall buggin - what jay-z did is steal other peoples ideas. in school that shits plagiarism, in the rap game that's biting. straight talk.
ok class, here's an example of giving credit:
"They say sleep is the cousin of death" -Game, "Dreams"
(note he doesn't say Nas wrote it, but he admits he dint write that line)
Fabolous on nearly all of "Can't Deny It"
"Like my nigga D.O.C., no one can do it better" - Dre, "Nuthin but a G Thang"
and on the same tip, and to prove that hov is capable of giving credit, but chooses not to for sum reason:
"Not D.O.C., but similar to them letters, no one can do it better"
how can you possibly say that jay-z is giving credit. hes taking obscure rap verses that YALL might kno abt b/c yall are schooled in the game, but most ppl that buy his CDs dont kno its a BIG verse. Dude is spittin the verse like its his, w/o even shoutin out BIG. do you seriously think that all them whiteboys who know all the words to "give it 2 me" kno that the first fucking lines are straight copied from a biggie track? hes using big's shit w/o credit to sell records.
Tho i dont think that all the instances pointed out on that track were biting, the dude is a rhyme klepto. on the real, get off the man's dick for a minute and analyze the situation objectively. damn yall talk abt grown man shit, think like a grown man. jay-z does have talent (listen to him brooklyn's finest - straight fire), but he is a pathological biter, b/c he knos that good BIG verses sell.
and btw, when snoop covered lodi dodi, the first shit he says on that track is "this goes out to my nigga slick rick" wtf yo. And production? lol they put the fuckin credits in the booklet dog, theres a whole forum for that shit here. or you could take it to the next level like dre on the let me ride video, straight homage to parliament
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all the new rappers are biting jay z
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^^ hahah yea, and the rap consumer ends up with twice recycled shit. see where im goin wit this?
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its funny to me how so many cats on here call themselves "hiphop heads" or that they listen to "real hiphop"...if you didnt know jay was doin this shit, then you aint what you claim to be, faggots
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I dont see how Jay Z can say its alright to do it because if a rock band stole a riff and didnt give credit they'd be laughed at but because Jay Z is doing it its alright as he's bigging up big (pun intended).
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^^ tru the rock industry is far more sensitive to this, but then as a genre, hip hop is comparatively a formative stage
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all the new rappers are biting jay z
like who? name these rappers. Jay-z as of today still bites off other rappers' shit, so stop trying to defend the man. He copies his rhymes from other rappers plain and simple, leave it at that.
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all the new rappers are biting jay z
like who? name these rappers. Jay-z as of today still bites off other rappers' shit, so stop trying to defend the man. He copies his rhymes from other rappers plain and simple, leave it at that.
T.I., Foxy Brown, Lil Kim, Shyne, Lil Flip, Sacario, Shells, Talib been quoting some Jay-lines, Clipse, Fabolous, Cassidy, Royce 5'9, Kanye West, Bleek & Siegel the whole State Prop and the whole Dipset been rehashing Jay-lines over and over, 95% of Eastcoast mixtape rappers, that Westcoast dude Sixx John or whats his name, Busta, Snoop Dogg, THE GAME!, 50, Daz, etc. etc.
It would be more interesting to know who's not been quoting or remaking a Jay-line, than who did..
Incorporating quotes, remaking familiar lines and using tracknames as metaphors isn't biting, it's more a hiphop tradition. ::)
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^^ and incorporating 4 hot bars of another rappers verses (that are obscure to an overwhelming amount of his listenership), w/o shouting them out is what? i mean i can see that this partly stems from jay-z's always cocky demeanor which would prevent him from showing respect, but fuck it then he has to face the music (no pun intended) when he steals ppls rhymes. dont kid urselves. homage is waaayy different then biting, and it would be a damn shame if biting became a tradition. and again, remember that not everybody has the same amount of hip-hop knowledge that yall do, and its his popular, not esoteric, appeal that moves millions of units.
hes smart enough to not to do this, theres no excuse....it almost makes me believe in the whole theory abt jay's inferiority complex to big/nas ::)
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Jay-Z is over rated.
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^^ and incorporating 4 hot bars of another rappers verses (that are obscure to an overwhelming amount of his listenership), w/o shouting them out is what? i mean i can see that this partly stems from jay-z's always cocky demeanor which would prevent him from showing respect, but fuck it then he has to face the music (no pun intended) when he steals ppls rhymes. dont kid urselves. homage is waaayy different then biting, and it would be a damn shame if biting became a tradition. and again, remember that not everybody has the same amount of hip-hop knowledge that yall do, and its his popular, not esoteric, appeal that moves millions of units.
Uhh, yeah, incorporating Biggie quotes and rephrasing Slick Rick makes Jay able to sell MILLLLLLLLLIONS of records. ::)
It's a slick, more clever way of paying homage, without having to spell everything out for the listener like the listener is some kind of retard.
When I hear a recycled/rephrased line, I think "Damn, where did I hear something similar to that before..." and I start thinking and backtracking..
And then when I finally get it, I be like "That's nice, showing respect to Run DMC, Slick Rick, Kool G, Biggie" or whoever.. it's brainfood.
The LEAST intelligent way to give shoutouts or pay homage, is lines like "It's nuthin like a G thang, like I'm Doctor Dre", "I sip that Gin & Juice like my name was Snoop", "I got hoes in different area codes, like I'm Luda or Nate", "I'm known to Regulate, like I'm Warren G"...
Unless you're collabing with the artist you're shouting out on the same track, lines like that sound moronic.. 95% of rappers does it.
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When I hear a recycled/rephrased line, I think "Damn, where did I hear something similar to that before..." and I start thinking and backtracking..
And then when I finally get it, I be like "That's nice, showing respect to Run DMC, Slick Rick, Kool G, Biggie" or whoever.. it's brainfood.
The LEAST intelligent way to give shoutouts or pay homage, is lines like "It's nuthin like a G thang, like I'm Doctor Dre", "I sip that Gin & Juice like my name was Snoop", "I got hoes in different area codes, like I'm Luda or Nate", "I'm known to Regulate, like I'm Warren G"...
Unless you're collabing with the artist you're shouting out on the same track, lines like that sound moronic.. 95% of rappers does it.
EXACTLY.
Fuck, why are there so many people here who don't get this?!
That argument about "all them whiteboys who know all the words to "give it 2 me"" is bollocks. Jay-Z doesn't give a shit the pop fans - the hook and the beat are for them. But putting in an obscure line from an old track is for the heads - it's like Jay's winking at you, saying 'don't think I don't know my shit just cause you're hearing this on the radio'.
Most of the people here angry about Jay's 'biting' probably didn't even know the OG lines til that 'Writer/Biter' shit got on the net.
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jay is still dope hemay have borrowed a few li8nes but he is dope