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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on December 21, 2011, 07:50:31 AM
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I want to hear your comments first then I will post mine. But the question is which rappers do you believe have a negative affect on the hip-hop culture and on the listeners? And why?
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krs-one
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Yeah clueless "conscious" rappers are the worst. KRS-1 used to be cool tho.
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krs-one
No, the question wasn't which rappers have the most positive affect on hip-hop, the question was which rappers have the most negative.
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Soulja boy to cop his "swag" :-\
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Yep definitely KRS-One, you don't decide whats "real" and whats not. I'll make my own mind up, thanks.
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Yep definitely KRS-One, you don't decide whats "real" and whats not. I'll make my own mind up, thanks.
Okay, why don't you enlighten me then and explain why KRS-1 has a negative affect on hip-hop and on the listener?
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2Pac. Because he encouraged people to not be themselves and put on a fake act instead. That's why we have rappers like Rick Ross today.
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2Pac. Because he encouraged people to not be themselves and put on a fake act instead. That's why we have rappers like Rick Ross today.
2pac was the realest rapper in history. He bared his soul on records, and gave everything he had to his artistry.
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Yep definitely KRS-One, you don't decide whats "real" and whats not. I'll make my own mind up, thanks.
How yall gonna just be stupid,and say KRS-1...wow..never thought him telling u real positive shit,about things we should want to understand..young generation is fucking stupid. ???
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WAKA FLOCKA..GUCCI MAN..SOLDIER BOY..LIL.WAYNE..lil.B.. ALL OF YMCM..WHIT GIRL MOB..that along is bringing down hip hop.
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WAKA FLOCKA..GUCCI MAN..SOLDIER BOY..LIL.WAYNE..lil.B.. ALL OF YMCM..WHIT GIRL MOB..that along is bringing down hip hop.
this and anybody else wit no content in they music. they got muthafuckas dressing fucked and everything. no wonder these bitches ain't feelin' niggas.
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How yall gonna just be stupid,and say KRS-1...wow..never thought him telling u real positive shit,about things we should want to understand..young generation is fucking stupid. ???
Keep blessin the board... 8) 8)
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l.a.m.b
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l.a.m.b
This & whoever you listen to, Brian. You're living proof that rappers have negative affects on the listener.
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Mac Miller Da SnapBack Wigger and The White Girl Mob. They made took away a little credibility of Hip Hop thru tha Mainstream
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Mac Miller Da SnapBack Wigger and The White Girl Mob. They made took away a little credibility of Hip Hop thru tha Mainstream
LOL
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2Pac. Because he encouraged people to not be themselves and put on a fake act instead. That's why we have rappers like Rick Ross today.
2pac was the realest rapper in history. He bared his soul on records, and gave everything he had to his artistry.
I like Pac and you won't hear me bashing him to the extent that a lot of people here do..but face the facts. He used his enormous platform to promote violence. Did he rap about real shit too? Yeah, and I give him credit for that. But a lot of the shit he did was straight ignorant and effected people negatively when he could have done positive.
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2Pac. Because he encouraged people to not be themselves and put on a fake act instead. That's why we have rappers like Rick Ross today.
2pac was the realest rapper in history. He bared his soul on records, and gave everything he had to his artistry.
nah. not the realest.
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2Pac. Because he encouraged people to not be themselves and put on a fake act instead. That's why we have rappers like Rick Ross today.
2pac was the realest rapper in history. He bared his soul on records, and gave everything he had to his artistry.
nah. not the realest.
This is why they never shoulda Remixed 2Pac's music.
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I guess there are too many to name, but here's my top two:
1] Eminem. He has (had) a pretty big influence on a lot of kids, and not in a good way. He knows he reaches the kids, but takes no responsibility. Instead only spitting crazy homicidal drugged out rhymes OR some throwaway comical shit.
2] Dr. Dre. Faker than fake when it comes to his raps. It's one thing to rap about robbing and killing if you are trying to share an experience and learn from it, but it's another to do it for an image.
Now I'm reading some of you dumbasses talking shit about Pac for promoting violence. Yes, he made mistakes. Guess what, we all do. The important part is whether you learn from them or not. Pac talked about his mistakes in his music and apologised for them as well, how real is that!? Too bad most people don't even notice it, but you can't blame Pac for that.
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i dont see how dre is having a bad influence with his music when a lot of people on the globe enjoy it
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i dont see how dre is having a bad influence with his music when a lot of people on the globe enjoy it
A lot of people enjoy drinking themselves into a coma, but that don't make it positive.
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I guess there are too many to name, but here's my top two:
1] Eminem. He has (had) a pretty big influence on a lot of kids, and not in a good way. He knows he reaches the kids, but takes no responsibility. Instead only spitting crazy homicidal drugged out rhymes OR some throwaway comical shit.
2] Dr. Dre. Faker than fake when it comes to his raps. It's one thing to rap about robbing and killing if you are trying to share an experience and learn from it, but it's another to do it for an image.
Now I'm reading some of you dumbasses talking shit about Pac for promoting violence. Yes, he made mistakes. Guess what, we all do. The important part is whether you learn from them or not. Pac talked about his mistakes in his music and apologised for them as well, how real is that!? Too bad most people don't even notice it, but you can't blame Pac for that.
I listened to all 3 of those guys when I was a kid and Eminem was clearly the one who got me through the depressed teenage angst stages of my youth. 2pac, to an extend, also, but he also made me kind of retarded due to his gloryfication of violence and anti-social behaviour. You could say that Em and Dre rapped foul shit too - but with them, even I as a young teenager kid could tell that it wasn't serious at all. With Pac, it often was. When Eminem raps about being a serial killer on Relapse, everyone knows it's not serious and he is not actually a serial killer nor is he condoning such behaviour. With Pac and other nigger rappers, you often assume that they actually did it and if not, friends did and if not, they at least believe in it and are condoning that lifestyle. Dr. Dre is a hater example because he was just a swaggerish trash talking rapper since Aftermath, not someone who actually wanted to make people think he's a hardcore gangsta.
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Anybody that uses the word "swag" in their raps is not worth listening to.
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2Pac. Because he encouraged people to not be themselves and put on a fake act instead. That's why we have rappers like Rick Ross today.
2pac was the realest rapper in history. He bared his soul on records, and gave everything he had to his artistry.
Dmx is much realestic than Pac
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Dr. Dre is a hater example because he was just a swaggerish trash talking rapper since Aftermath, not someone who actually wanted to make people think he's a hardcore gangsta.
Really? Have you ever listened to The Chronic? He most definitly wanted people to think he was a hardcore gangsta. Not just with trash talking, but also in his music videos. Dude is pulling guns on people, jacking hoes, you name it.
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Dr. Dre is a hater example because he was just a swaggerish trash talking rapper since Aftermath, not someone who actually wanted to make people think he's a hardcore gangsta.
Really? Have you ever listened to The Chronic? He most definitly wanted people to think he was a hardcore gangsta. Not just with trash talking, but also in his music videos. Dude is pulling guns on people, jacking hoes, you name it.
Not talking about the Death Row era. That was the filth of Suge Knight lurking from the inside.
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Anybody that uses the word "swag" in their raps is not worth listening to.
BINGO.
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I listened to all 3 of those guys when I was a kid and Eminem was clearly the one who got me through the depressed teenage angst stages of my youth. 2pac, to an extend, also, but he also made me kind of retarded due to his gloryfication of violence and anti-social behaviour. You could say that Em and Dre rapped foul shit too - but with them, even I as a young teenager kid could tell that it wasn't serious at all. With Pac, it often was. When Eminem raps about being a serial killer on Relapse, everyone knows it's not serious and he is not actually a serial killer nor is he condoning such behaviour. With Pac and other nigger rappers, you often assume that they actually did it and if not, friends did and if not, they at least believe in it and are condoning that lifestyle. Dr. Dre is a hater example because he was just a swaggerish trash talking rapper since Aftermath, not someone who actually wanted to make people think he's a hardcore gangsta.
nice post.. not saying I totally agree.. but nice post
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Dr. Dre is a hater example because he was just a swaggerish trash talking rapper since Aftermath, not someone who actually wanted to make people think he's a hardcore gangsta.
Really? Have you ever listened to The Chronic? He most definitly wanted people to think he was a hardcore gangsta. Not just with trash talking, but also in his music videos. Dude is pulling guns on people, jacking hoes, you name it.
Not talking about the Death Row era. That was the filth of Suge Knight lurking from the inside.
That's what im saying. He left deathrow because he was sick and tired of gangster rap and the negative influence it had on people. I used to listen to niggaz4life and the chronic all the time when i was a kid but i never took that shit serious. 2Pac on the other hand thought he was some kind of prophet when in fact he was stupid as fuck. I think he compared himself with MLK smh. Listen to "Been there done that" and you can see that dre matured. 2001 was a step backwards but it was mostly the guests that stood for the ignorant lyrics.
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That's what im saying. He left deathrow because he was sick and tired of gangster rap and the negative influence it had on people. I used to listen to niggaz4life and the chronic all the time when i was a kid but i never took that shit serious. 2Pac on the other hand thought he was some kind of prophet when in fact he was stupid as fuck. I think he compared himself with MLK smh. Listen to "Been there done that" and you can see that dre matured. 2001 was a step backwards but it was mostly the guests that stood for the ignorant lyrics.
Haha mostly the guests that stood for the ignorant lyrics? It was Dre's album, so if he had "matured" he could have gone for more mature features. Just face it, Dre is STILL trying to act hard.
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LOL Eminem & Dr. Dre. This nigga straight up said "he wanted people to believe he was a gangsta". How is that a negative affect on the listener? First of all, I don't even know if that is true. Secondly, even if it was, who the fuck cares? There are so many fake artists in rap. It doesn't mean anything. Dre rapped about smoking weed, drinking 40's & fucking bitches. Basically what you're saying is Dre's negative influence is "fooling" the audience into think he's someone that he's not. But really, what's the problem there?
As for Eminem, he rapped about his life; just did it in a violent way. I suppose I understand where Eminem would be negative. But I always thought that was bullshit. It's not his responsibility. He's a rapper. He makes money doing it. Rap at almost all levels isn't good for kids to listen to. Eminem shouldn't have to be different because he was the one that got more popular than the rest. That raw, crazy, angry flow is what got him all the money he has now. He wouldn't have sold without it.
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That's what im saying. He left deathrow because he was sick and tired of gangster rap and the negative influence it had on people. I used to listen to niggaz4life and the chronic all the time when i was a kid but i never took that shit serious. 2Pac on the other hand thought he was some kind of prophet when in fact he was stupid as fuck. I think he compared himself with MLK smh. Listen to "Been there done that" and you can see that dre matured. 2001 was a step backwards but it was mostly the guests that stood for the ignorant lyrics.
Haha mostly the guests that stood for the ignorant lyrics? It was Dre's album, so if he had "matured" he could have gone for more mature features. Just face it, Dre is STILL trying to act hard.
He did it because that's what people wanted to hear in other words he sold out. I'm not going to sit here and defend dre anymore because i don't really give a shit. I'm just saying that 2Pac had more of a negative influence than dre has ever had.
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That's what im saying. He left deathrow because he was sick and tired of gangster rap and the negative influence it had on people. I used to listen to niggaz4life and the chronic all the time when i was a kid but i never took that shit serious. 2Pac on the other hand thought he was some kind of prophet when in fact he was stupid as fuck. I think he compared himself with MLK smh. Listen to "Been there done that" and you can see that dre matured. 2001 was a step backwards but it was mostly the guests that stood for the ignorant lyrics.
Haha mostly the guests that stood for the ignorant lyrics? It was Dre's album, so if he had "matured" he could have gone for more mature features. Just face it, Dre is STILL trying to act hard.
How can you say he acted hard on 2001 when he openly says he isn't a thug?
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Anybody that uses the word "swag" in their raps is not worth listening to.
BINGO.
BLAD BLAN - Based Life All Day Based Life All Night
SWAG!
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i will say that as a child i bumped the chronic on the regular and it didn't have a bad influence on me or choices i made. can't blame hip hop.....it came from the streets so the music depicts that.
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Lynch and Pac must have had a negative influence on some since some cited them as inspiration for shooting people/committing suicide.
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hello!why yall stuck on pac and dre..silly shit..when theres dumb shit out there like..gucci waka..lil b..SB..and fack ass gang bangers out there like lil wayne and his lover bird man..thats misleading people to throw up gang signs..the east coast really got it bad..Pacs not the problem silly ass BGs..
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hello!why yall stuck on pac and dre..silly shit..when theres dumb shit out there like..gucci waka..lil b..SB..and fack ass gang bangers out there like lil wayne and his lover bird man..thats misleading people to throw up gang signs..the east coast really got it bad..Pacs not the problem silly ass BGs..
All those guys you named make party music. I don't understand why you & Brian are too retarded to understand how much softer those "swag" guys are. They basically promote chillin', while looking fresh by towards fashion standards; opposed to Pac who promoted shooting people & "killin' motherfuckin' nigga's drinkin' hennessyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy".
Pac threw up gang signs. He had the biggest drawing in music when he was alive. If it wasn't for him, today's crew wouldn't be throwing up gang signs, stupid.
The question wasn't "what's bad for Hip Hip music?" it was "what has a negative affect?". Brian was seriously negatively affected back in the day. He heard Snoop talkin' about not loving hoes & then he fucked some bitch, had a kid & then walked out. Snoop was instrumental in making Brian an awful father & an even worse human being.
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i dont see how dre is having a bad influence with his music when a lot of people on the globe enjoy it
A lot of people enjoy drinking themselves into a coma, but that don't make it positive.
bad comparison. you sound like a conservative politician.
didnt you see that video with him and snoop performing recently? that was in singapore. so you're saying its a bad thing that people like his music & want to see him perform?
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2Pac. Because he encouraged people to not be themselves and put on a fake act instead. That's why we have rappers like Rick Ross today.
2pac was the realest rapper in history. He bared his soul on records, and gave everything he had to his artistry.
+1
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the only music that has negative affect on listeners is that shit that got these clowns dressin fugazi as hell. all tight everything. tight shit is for females.
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2Pac by far. His stans turn a blind eye to actual factual aspects of his life that disprove this concept of his "realness" (as seen by responses in this thread). This encourages the same type of behavior when it comes to other topics, like religion, politics, history etc. and what we end up with is a bunch of ignorant people stuck in their ignorant ways because they refuse to do the knowledge with any kind of logical reasoning beyond overzealousness.
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Here's my list of rappers that have the most positive affect on fans versus most negative...
Most positive
1. 2pac- 2pac was a great artist and he spoke from the heart. He was a broadly intelligent brother, and he reached out to the disenfranchised and gave them hope when the rest of the world had forgotten about them.
2. Mos Def- This cat did a lot for conscious hip-hop. Rapping with knowledge and integrity at a time when ignorance had started to take over hip-hop in the late 90's.
3. Dr. Dre- For having great taste in music. Whenever Dre is on top of hip-hop the rest of the game follows him and even your average rappers end up being dope. Whenever Dre disapears from the scene shit starts to get wack again and bitches take it over.
Most negative
1. Cash Money artists- Notice how much women love Cash Money artists? Hip-Hop in it's golden era was empowerment music for males. It was a male dominated sport and if women wanted to be down they had to follow. Cash Money changed that shit around and it's the women that have really driven their succcess and the men follow. That's because most of their music doesn't challenge the mind, and it's easy on the listener and club shit with catchy hooks that bitches like. They don't push the envelope conceptually (unless you consider Lil Wayne playing a guitar as pushing the envelop, lol).
2. Jay Z- This dude is part of the reason hip-hop is all about swag and image over artistry. It's a case of a great marketing manipulating the fans. Everyone following social proof. I remember when Jay-Z came out they were already touting him as the greatest, and if you look at their ads for Rockawear they have them in clubs with white models and champagne glasses, it's clear they are selling an image. People are buying into an image of swag and left empty at the end of the day.
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^You completely scream "I'm a loser!" right there. I can acknowledge the first three names being better rappers than the "negative" guys. But what? You basically say you dress like a fucking bum & refuse to go to clubs because women aren't being degraded & don't like the fact women enjoy listening to the music.
You're also an idiot for acting like Lil' Wayne & Jay-Z invented songs for women to listen to & rap about their clothes.
You're also a fucking moron for acting like in this "golden age of Hip Hop", there weren't guys who made music for the clubs & for women.
It's a business. Music & every single one of it's genre's has been a business since Bach & Mozart. You make music that other people will like & go out & buy or pay for to see. You think Biggie liked that Juicy beat? Nigga was probably laughing in the studio at Puffy. Then Puff was like "you rap over this, we're making millions". The rest is history. See, even in your "golden age" the music was still looked at from a business perspective.
& above all, you're fucking mentally retarded for flawing your own logic. Notice for your "negatives" all you did was talk about what Wayne & Jay rap about. For your "positives" you said "Oh, he had great taste. He was a smart man". When in reality Pac was rapping about killing people & riding to the death for his homies & shooting anyone who got in his way. If you look at the actual content on the LISTENER (which is what you made the thread about), Jay & Wayne have no negative affect. They make music that is radio friendly & for everyone. You said yourself, women love it. Pac wanted to kill people.
Now abandon this thread, you pussy.
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lmao I can't believe this fool actually said that Cash Money had a negative affect on listeners for empowering women.
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It's a business. Music & every single one of it's genre's has been a business since Bach & Mozart. You make music that other people will like & go out & buy or pay for to see. You think Biggie liked that Juicy beat? Nigga was probably laughing in the studio at Puffy. Then Puff was like "you rap over this, we're making millions". The rest is history. See, even in your "golden age" the music was still looked at from a business perspective.
We aren't talking about business... We are talking about the affect music has on a listener. If my thread was, "Which rappers are the best businessmen" then I would give props to Jay and Puffy first. Because Jay is so great at marketing he fooled millions of mutherfuckers to believe he was more than just an average rapper.
& above all, you're fucking mentally retarded for flawing your own logic. Notice for your "negatives" all you did was talk about what Wayne & Jay rap about. For your "positives" you said "Oh, he had great taste. He was a smart man". When in reality Pac was rapping about killing people & riding to the death for his homies & shooting anyone who got in his way. If you look at the actual content on the LISTENER (which is what you made the thread about), Jay & Wayne have no negative affect. They make music that is radio friendly & for everyone. You said yourself, women love it. Pac wanted to kill people.
No, Pac was attacking the "bling" from a totally different angle. Pac was way deeper and I'm not surprised that you are unable to pick up on the depth of what Pac was bringing. See Pac said in an interview the only reason he rapped about "ice/bling/jewels/etc." was to inspire people living in poverty, that he had came from nothing and he had came up to that. So in other words he was trying to empower the poor and disenfranchised.
While in the case of Cash Money they are throwing money in the people's faces, like "I got this shit, look at ya'll, ya'll ain't got shit". That's the message they are sending.
...also a last note is that Pac would wear what he called "old-school jewels". If you look at his fat rings he were and fat necklaces etc. that shit is linked to the old-school and shows respect to the pioneers of hip-hop. Cash Money never shows love to the old school that laid the foundation of true hip-hop culture. And that was a distinct style Pac promoted, and even that makes Pacs moves more down to Earth and builds a connection with the masses of fans.
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^Like I said earlier, you're living proof Pac had a negative affect on the listener. If you truly believe that shit you're dishing out, you're insane.
& don't say "this isn't about business", dumbass. Both Jay & Wayne were in that transformation period from hardcore mainstream to today's mainstream. Their styles changed & your extreme biased dislike of them is based off that & the fact they both stayed relevant while changing their appearances.
Bottom line, you sound dumb. Your entire defense of Pac is that "he didn't rap about having bling. He rapped to inspired other blacks to go get it". Not only can you not prove that to me because that's your insane imagination talking, but FAR more importantly, you're just completely dodging all the songs about "Fuck you, your bitch too, I'ma kill you!".
http://www.youtube.com/v/PkLWORDWJys
This whole thing he talks about how he was inspired by other artists lol.
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Hit Em Up was socially responsible and didn't have a negative effect on anybody.
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Hit Em Up was socially responsible and didn't have a negative effect on anybody.
LOL. Yeah, true. It only sparked years of fighting between the East & West coast & led to deaths & the murders of both Biggie & Pac. :P
Brian is a fucking idiot.
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Bottom line, you sound dumb. Your entire defense of Pac is that "he didn't rap about having bling. He rapped to inspired other blacks to go get it". Not only can you not prove that to me because that's your insane imagination talking, but FAR more importantly, you're just completely dodging all the songs about "Fuck you, your bitch too, I'ma kill you!".
What's funny is Infinite is coming up with that explanation out of thin air when someone like Jay-Z has actually explained why he raps the way he does and been honest with his fans:
"If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be
Lyrically Talib Kweli
Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
But I did 5 mill' - I ain't been rhyming like Common since
When your cents got that much in common
And you been hustling since, your inception
Fuck perception. Go with what makes sense
Since I know what I'm up against
We as rappers must decide what's most important
And I can't help the poor if I'm one of them
So I got rich and gave back, to me that's the win/win
So next time you see the homey and his rims spin
Just know my mind is working just like them"
That right there is more realer than anything Pac has ever said.
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^Exactly. Pac was a hypocrite. You can't have a song like "Changes" & then make songs like "When We Ride On Our Enemies".
Plus Pac was always telling his listeners not to even trust your friends & shit.
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^ Yeah, I mean as an artist I love Pac, but I hate when people act like he's the undisputed greatest and was some saint who died a noble death for no reason.
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Hit Em Up was socially responsible and didn't have a negative effect on anybody.
it was an ignorant record biggie shoulda really got at dude. but that's all water under the bridge now.
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Onyx and Lil Jon-songs,, ppl were actually throwin chairs
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Pac has always been and will always be bigger than Hip Hop.
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Pac has always been and will always be bigger than Hip Hop.
just like Will Smith
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Pac has always been and will always be bigger than Hip Hop.
no encee is bigger than hip hop.
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Pac is
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^Exactly. Pac was a hypocrite. You can't have a song like "Changes" & then make songs like "When We Ride On Our Enemies".
Plus Pac was always telling his listeners not to even trust your friends & shit.
That's cause Pac was way real. If your just a nice dude like Will Smith and politic like you got love for everybody, then it doesn't mean much if Will Smith says he's got love for you. But if your a real mutherfucker like Pac you love and hate with equal intensity. When Pac says he's got love for his homies, or for his mom, or for his fans, then you really feel it. Pac would let all of his emotions show. Pac was a soldier, a warrior, who fought his enemies and his demons and celebrated success with his people.
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U gotta realize Infinite that most white people and South Americans and everybody else under the sun (other than Carribian people and Africans) don't really understand Hip Hop. They still honestly believe its only about 808s And Heartbreaks with a lotta ballin on the side.
It's sad but it's the truth. They have a respect for the culture but they don't truly understand it. To them all that matters is Young Money Records and Ringtones.
I could go on but why bother, I'm not the Biological Father of anybody on here. At the end of the day bitches like V Nasty and Riff Raff will never have a true place in Hip Hop no matter who co-signs/signs them. Hip Hop wasn't meant for them, its only for their entertainment. Niggaz have died for decades over these raps, 1 or 2 websites and a couple of co-signs aren't gonna let the flood gates open. That's wishful thinking and closedmindedness. That might make u mad but u shoulda already knew.
I'm not against every single white rapper and producer but I am against the infiltration and blatant disregard and blatant exploitation of my culture. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on that either. But at the same time we shouldn't try to neutralize the game either, it's just not natural. Hip Hop IS unique to Blacks from America.
I don't know what Fat Joe was trying to say about Julio from next door but that pussy was all of tha way off. Also, the "argument" doesn't start and end in the Hip Hop Community either so lets not obey every word and command of some celebrity like its the Gospel.
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^Exactly. Pac was a hypocrite. You can't have a song like "Changes" & then make songs like "When We Ride On Our Enemies".
Plus Pac was always telling his listeners not to even trust your friends & shit.
thatīs life. because life isnt all that great and beatuiful all the time. and you canīt always be on some "peace"-shit.
life is like a rollercoaster. so you cant blame pac for making songs like "hit em up", "bomb 1st", "when we ride on your enemies".
you must have that "peace"-mentality for you people and "hit em up"-mentality when youīre dealing with snakes.
thats what pac said. and yes, you canīt always trust your firends.if you dont know it then you are a kid (no diss).
"keep your enemies close, watch your homies" <---- tha truth.
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thatīs life. because life isnt all that great and beatuiful all the time. and you canīt always be on some "peace"-shit.
life is like a rollercoaster. so you cant blame pac for making songs like "hit em up", "bomb 1st", "when we ride on your enemies".
you must have that "peace"-mentality for you people and "hit em up"-mentality when youīre dealing with snakes.
thats what pac said. and yes, you canīt always trust your firends.if you dont know it then you are a kid (no diss).
"keep your enemies close, watch your homies" <---- tha truth.
^^this.
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You're still all idiotic. Stop changing the title of the thread. Bottom line, "Which rappers do you believe have a negative affect on the listener?". There is no way somebody who raps about killing people & everybody being snakes & the world is a lie & is against you has a POSITIVE affect on the listener. A positive affect means you walk away from his music saying with a positive feeling. You walk away from Pac songs saying, "Wow, the world is fucked up. Fuck police. Hahaha, fuck Biggie Smalls. WESTSIDE. FUCK THE EASTCOAST, KILL KILL KILL!". That's a negative affect. Jay or Wayne rapping about chillin' in the club, spending your hard earned money to have a good time & walking out of there with some pussy you're gunna go home & fuck, that's a positive affect.
Pac was great. Not going to take it away from him or anything. But his subjects were purely negative for a listener.
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You're still all idiotic. Stop changing the title of the thread. Bottom line, "Which rappers do you believe have a negative affect on the listener?". There is no way somebody who raps about killing people & everybody being snakes & the world is a lie & is against you has a POSITIVE affect on the listener. A positive affect means you walk away from his music saying with a positive feeling. You walk away from Pac songs saying, "Wow, the world is fucked up. Fuck police. Hahaha, fuck Biggie Smalls. WESTSIDE. FUCK THE EASTCOAST, KILL KILL KILL!". That's a negative affect. Jay or Wayne rapping about chillin' in the club, spending your hard earned money to have a good time & walking out of there with some pussy you're gunna go home & fuck, that's a positive affect.
Pac was great. Not going to take it away from him or anything. But his subjects were purely negative for a listener.
Pac was way too thoughtful and deep to simply make songs about chillin in a club. Just because you rap about killing someone that doesn't make it "negative". Hip-hop was built on battle rap. It's a form of competition that pushes the art to higher levels. To be the baddest in the game and to be the King of hip-hop in those days you had to battle the best and beat the best. Biggie was the King of the East Coast so like a true soldier Pac challenged him and he won.
A lot of what you see as "negativity" I see as a display of Pac's strength. It is a cold world, and you can't make it just going to the club every night and chillin and bringing bitches home. Shit, if that's all your life is, is just going out to clubs every night and spending money and bringing bitches home then congratulations, you have an easy life... but for people who have existed on the fringes of society and had to struggle, hustle, overcome both inner and outer obstacles Pac is speaking about the REAL SHIT.
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Chamera wasn't even listening to rap music then so his views are automatically rejected. That's what's wrong with Modern History Books, it's written by a bunch of people who weren't there expressing their views on a life they didn't live.
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^ Yeah, I mean as an artist I love Pac, but I hate when people act like he's the undisputed greatest and was some saint who died a noble death for no reason.
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present day Eminem can have a negative effect on the ears
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You're still all idiotic. Stop changing the title of the thread. Bottom line, "Which rappers do you believe have a negative affect on the listener?". There is no way somebody who raps about killing people & everybody being snakes & the world is a lie & is against you has a POSITIVE affect on the listener. A positive affect means you walk away from his music saying with a positive feeling. You walk away from Pac songs saying, "Wow, the world is fucked up. Fuck police. Hahaha, fuck Biggie Smalls. WESTSIDE. FUCK THE EASTCOAST, KILL KILL KILL!". That's a negative affect. Jay or Wayne rapping about chillin' in the club, spending your hard earned money to have a good time & walking out of there with some pussy you're gunna go home & fuck, that's a positive affect.
Pac was great. Not going to take it away from him or anything. But his subjects were purely negative for a listener.
Pac was way too thoughtful and deep to simply make songs about chillin in a club. Just because you rap about killing someone that doesn't make it "negative". Hip-hop was built on battle rap. It's a form of competition that pushes the art to higher levels. To be the baddest in the game and to be the King of hip-hop in those days you had to battle the best and beat the best. Biggie was the King of the East Coast so like a true soldier Pac challenged him and he won.
A lot of what you see as "negativity" I see as a display of Pac's strength. It is a cold world, and you can't make it just going to the club every night and chillin and bringing bitches home. Shit, if that's all your life is, is just going out to clubs every night and spending money and bringing bitches home then congratulations, you have an easy life... but for people who have existed on the fringes of society and had to struggle, hustle, overcome both inner and outer obstacles Pac is speaking about the REAL SHIT.
So 2pac making songs about wanting to kill Biggie isn't negative, but Biggie who stayed out of the beef had lyrics that were "too violent and pornographic?" Shit man, when it comes down to it i'll take Pac over Biggie any day, but your thought process on this one is ridiculous.
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^But Snoop was poetic.
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You're still all idiotic. Stop changing the title of the thread. Bottom line, "Which rappers do you believe have a negative affect on the listener?". There is no way somebody who raps about killing people & everybody being snakes & the world is a lie & is against you has a POSITIVE affect on the listener. A positive affect means you walk away from his music saying with a positive feeling. You walk away from Pac songs saying, "Wow, the world is fucked up. Fuck police. Hahaha, fuck Biggie Smalls. WESTSIDE. FUCK THE EASTCOAST, KILL KILL KILL!". That's a negative affect. Jay or Wayne rapping about chillin' in the club, spending your hard earned money to have a good time & walking out of there with some pussy you're gunna go home & fuck, that's a positive affect.
Pac was great. Not going to take it away from him or anything. But his subjects were purely negative for a listener.
for women pacs raps are positive up until all eyez on me...every rapper talks bout what u just said pac did INCLUDING Jay and wayne so that was kinda stupid to say
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I didnt know rapping bout the drug game was positive ???
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You're still all idiotic. Stop changing the title of the thread. Bottom line, "Which rappers do you believe have a negative affect on the listener?". There is no way somebody who raps about killing people & everybody being snakes & the world is a lie & is against you has a POSITIVE affect on the listener. A positive affect means you walk away from his music saying with a positive feeling. You walk away from Pac songs saying, "Wow, the world is fucked up. Fuck police. Hahaha, fuck Biggie Smalls. WESTSIDE. FUCK THE EASTCOAST, KILL KILL KILL!". That's a negative affect. Jay or Wayne rapping about chillin' in the club, spending your hard earned money to have a good time & walking out of there with some pussy you're gunna go home & fuck, that's a positive affect.
Pac was great. Not going to take it away from him or anything. But his subjects were purely negative for a listener.
for women pacs raps are positive up until all eyez on me...every rapper talks bout what u just said pac did INCLUDING Jay and wayne so that was kinda stupid to say
Wayne & Jay were like that at the start of their careers. But now they are chilled out.
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You're still all idiotic. Stop changing the title of the thread. Bottom line, "Which rappers do you believe have a negative affect on the listener?". There is no way somebody who raps about killing people & everybody being snakes & the world is a lie & is against you has a POSITIVE affect on the listener. A positive affect means you walk away from his music saying with a positive feeling. You walk away from Pac songs saying, "Wow, the world is fucked up. Fuck police. Hahaha, fuck Biggie Smalls. WESTSIDE. FUCK THE EASTCOAST, KILL KILL KILL!". That's a negative affect. Jay or Wayne rapping about chillin' in the club, spending your hard earned money to have a good time & walking out of there with some pussy you're gunna go home & fuck, that's a positive affect.
Pac was great. Not going to take it away from him or anything. But his subjects were purely negative for a listener.
even pac wasnt saying his music was gangsta rap, it still was in some way. if you only want to hear all that positive shit than why are you even registered here?west coast music is gangsta rap and gangsta rap is violent, they portray the negative aspects of life, they report it.
if you want to listen some "chillin in the club" and "peace/funny"-shit, listen to lil wayne and de la soul.
i dont get it. how about ice cube?ice-t?mc eiht?SPICE 1 (guy whose songs 99% were about murder?), brotha lynch (even worse).
you dont like this kinda music?why you here?i dont get it?are you even a west coast fan?if not, WHY ARE YOU HERE?tell me.
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west coast music is gangsta rap
even pac wasnt saying his music was gangsta rap, it still was in some way. if you only want to hear all that positive shit than why are you even registered here?and gangsta rap is violent,
they portray the negative aspects of life, they report it.
if you want to listen some "chillin in the club" and "peace/funny"-shit, listen to lil wayne and de la soul.
i dont get it. how about ice cube?ice-t?mc eiht?SPICE 1 (guy whose songs 99% were about murder?), brotha lynch (even worse).
you dont like this kinda music?why you here?i dont get it?are you even a west coast fan?if not, WHY ARE YOU HERE?tell me.
isnīt that a bit narrow minded ? thereīs lots of music from the west coast thatīs not gangsta . yet many of those rappers lived tougher lives than your favorite gangsta rappers .
i donīt know what cham likes or not but last time i checked this was supposed to be a discussion forum . even Pac and his flaws should be open for discussion yet everytime there are these few people that start crying "donīt say the lordīs name in vain!!!" everytime Pacīs sainthood is questioned.
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You're still all idiotic. Stop changing the title of the thread. Bottom line, "Which rappers do you believe have a negative affect on the listener?". There is no way somebody who raps about killing people & everybody being snakes & the world is a lie & is against you has a POSITIVE affect on the listener. A positive affect means you walk away from his music saying with a positive feeling. You walk away from Pac songs saying, "Wow, the world is fucked up. Fuck police. Hahaha, fuck Biggie Smalls. WESTSIDE. FUCK THE EASTCOAST, KILL KILL KILL!". That's a negative affect. Jay or Wayne rapping about chillin' in the club, spending your hard earned money to have a good time & walking out of there with some pussy you're gunna go home & fuck, that's a positive affect.
Pac was great. Not going to take it away from him or anything. But his subjects were purely negative for a listener.
even pac wasnt saying his music was gangsta rap, it still was in some way. if you only want to hear all that positive shit than why are you even registered here?west coast music is gangsta rap and gangsta rap is violent, they portray the negative aspects of life, they report it.
if you want to listen some "chillin in the club" and "peace/funny"-shit, listen to lil wayne and de la soul.
i dont get it. how about ice cube?ice-t?mc eiht?SPICE 1 (guy whose songs 99% were about murder?), brotha lynch (even worse).
you dont like this kinda music?why you here?i dont get it?are you even a west coast fan?if not, WHY ARE YOU HERE?tell me.
You DUMB fuck lmao.
I don't listen to rap for positive influences. I listen to it because I enjoy it. My favorite artists are Eminem & Joe Budden. Em raps about killing people & doing drugs. Joe Budden raps about his depressing fucking life lol.
But no matter which way you slice it, Pac's music isn't a positive affect on the listener. I 100% agree that everyone you named in your last post is a more negative influence. But Brian, that dumb fuck, said Pac had the MOST positive affect on the listener. That just isn't true. ESPECIALLY when you say the top two WORST influences are two guys who make "chill music" that for the most part refrain from violence & are more random punchlines.
I love West Coast music. But don't sit here like a fucking idiot & try to tell me you walk away from West Coast Hip Hop after listening about guns & bloods & crips & say you were "highly positively affected" by that lmao.
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You're still all idiotic. Stop changing the title of the thread. Bottom line, "Which rappers do you believe have a negative affect on the listener?". There is no way somebody who raps about killing people & everybody being snakes & the world is a lie & is against you has a POSITIVE affect on the listener. A positive affect means you walk away from his music saying with a positive feeling. You walk away from Pac songs saying, "Wow, the world is fucked up. Fuck police. Hahaha, fuck Biggie Smalls. WESTSIDE. FUCK THE EASTCOAST, KILL KILL KILL!". That's a negative affect. Jay or Wayne rapping about chillin' in the club, spending your hard earned money to have a good time & walking out of there with some pussy you're gunna go home & fuck, that's a positive affect.
Pac was great. Not going to take it away from him or anything. But his subjects were purely negative for a listener.
even pac wasnt saying his music was gangsta rap, it still was in some way. if you only want to hear all that positive shit than why are you even registered here?west coast music is gangsta rap and gangsta rap is violent, they portray the negative aspects of life, they report it.
if you want to listen some "chillin in the club" and "peace/funny"-shit, listen to lil wayne and de la soul.
i dont get it. how about ice cube?ice-t?mc eiht?SPICE 1 (guy whose songs 99% were about murder?), brotha lynch (even worse).
you dont like this kinda music?why you here?i dont get it?are you even a west coast fan?if not, WHY ARE YOU HERE?tell me.
You DUMB fuck lmao.
I don't listen to rap for positive influences. I listen to it because I enjoy it. My favorite artists are Eminem & Joe Budden. Em raps about killing people & doing drugs. Joe Budden raps about his depressing fucking life lol.
But no matter which way you slice it, Pac's music isn't a positive affect on the listener. I 100% agree that everyone you named in your last post is a more negative influence. But Brian, that dumb fuck, said Pac had the MOST positive affect on the listener. That just isn't true. ESPECIALLY when you say the top two WORST influences are two guys who make "chill music" that for the most part refrain from violence & are more random punchlines.
I love West Coast music. But don't sit here like a fucking idiot & try to tell me you walk away from West Coast Hip Hop after listening about guns & bloods & crips & say you were "highly positively affected" by that lmao.
i see your point.
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even pac wasnt saying his music was gangsta rap, it still was in some way. if you only want to hear all that positive shit than why are you even registered here?west coast music is gangsta rap and gangsta rap is violent, they portray the negative aspects of life, they report it.
if you want to listen some "chillin in the club" and "peace/funny"-shit, listen to lil wayne and de la soul.
i dont get it. how about ice cube?ice-t?mc eiht?SPICE 1 (guy whose songs 99% were about murder?), brotha lynch (even worse).
you dont like this kinda music?why you here?i dont get it?are you even a west coast fan?if not, WHY ARE YOU HERE?tell me.
You're an idiot. N.W.A. and their following imitators don't define an entire region.
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So 2pac making songs about wanting to kill Biggie isn't negative, but Biggie who stayed out of the beef had lyrics that were "too violent and pornographic?" Shit man, when it comes down to it i'll take Pac over Biggie any day, but your thought process on this one is ridiculous.
Some of Big's lyrics I thought were a little tasteless. When Pac talks about sex in his music it's a little more romance like "Heaven Ain't Hard 2 Find" or it's on some ain't no fun if the homies can't have none type of shit like on "Rather Be Your N.I.G.G.A." so men can relate to that shit. But for Biggie I felt like some of his lyrics were just a little too tasteless in their pornagraphy.
But this is coming from somebody who doesn't even watch porn. I wasn't even dissing Biggie, I consider Biggie one of the all-time greats from the golden age of rap. I was just saying I don't put him in my top 5-10 and one of the reasons is I felt some of his lyrics were a little too pornographic and tasteless, like the joint he did with Kim on disc 2 of Life After Death and also the "Nasty" joint are examples of tracks I skip.
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So 2pac making songs about wanting to kill Biggie isn't negative, but Biggie who stayed out of the beef had lyrics that were "too violent and pornographic?" Shit man, when it comes down to it i'll take Pac over Biggie any day, but your thought process on this one is ridiculous.
Some of Big's lyrics I thought were a little tasteless. When Pac talks about sex in his music it's a little more romance like "Heaven Ain't Hard 2 Find" or it's on some ain't no fun if the homies can't have none type of shit like on "Rather Be Your N.I.G.G.A." so men can relate to that shit. But for Biggie I felt like some of his lyrics were just a little too tasteless in their pornagraphy.
But this is coming from somebody who doesn't even watch porn. I wasn't even dissing Biggie, I consider Biggie one of the all-time greats from the golden age of rap. I was just saying I don't put him in my top 5-10 and one of the reasons is I felt some of his lyrics were a little too pornographic and tasteless, like the joint he did with Kim on disc 2 of Life After Death and also the "Nasty" joint are examples of tracks I skip.
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U gotta realize Infinite that most white people and South Americans and everybody else under the sun (other than Carribian people and Africans) don't really understand Hip Hop. They still honestly believe its only about 808s And Heartbreaks with a lotta ballin on the side.
It's sad but it's the truth. They have a respect for the culture but they don't truly understand it. To them all that matters is Young Money Records and Ringtones.
I could go on but why bother, I'm not the Biological Father of anybody on here. At the end of the day bitches like V Nasty and Riff Raff will never have a true place in Hip Hop no matter who co-signs/signs them. Hip Hop wasn't meant for them, its only for their entertainment. Niggaz have died for decades over these raps, 1 or 2 websites and a couple of co-signs aren't gonna let the flood gates open. That's wishful thinking and closedmindedness. That might make u mad but u shoulda already knew.
I'm not against every single white rapper and producer but I am against the infiltration and blatant disregard and blatant exploitation of my culture. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on that either. But at the same time we shouldn't try to neutralize the game either, it's just not natural. Hip Hop IS unique to Blacks from America.
I don't know what Fat Joe was trying to say about Julio from next door but that pussy was all of tha way off. Also, the "argument" doesn't start and end in the Hip Hop Community either so lets not obey every word and command of some celebrity like its the Gospel.
Yep just like only white Canadians understand basketball since they made it. Yep. Music doesn't change and evolve with the times nope. you have to think the same way the whole time.
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Deal with it, that's all I can say. If u don't like it then find a friend and let your frustrations out about it.
Yelling at me and trolling isn't gonna change shit lol
My question to you is why does it bother u so much
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Radiotube listens to Gucci Mane & Waka Flocka. Real black people shun this man on his opinion of Hip Hop. He'd get eaten alive in a round table discussion of Hip Hop with his fellow blacks. I think Gucci Mane himself would laugh in Radiotube's face if he sat there & said Gucci was a great rapper.
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Deal with it, that's all I can say. If u don't like it then find a friend and let your frustrations out about it.
Yelling at me and trolling isn't gonna change shit lol
My question to you is why does it bother u so much
yelling? i would love to know how i am yelling. I made a point. You somehow think valid points and actual opinions = trolling. because you were raised by some extremists who hated whites or had some bad experience with southern red necks. I like different types of dogs. I like people from different countries. I love life and the world and embrace it with an open mind. I don't close my mind off into hating every rapper that isn't black. Every Athlete that isn't American. Etc...
Why does it bother me so much? i just responded to your comment. It was a eye catching statement and i disagreed so retorted to it, no feelings caught, just using a forum for what they were originally made for DISCUSSION.
Why does it bother you that there are successful white rappers? Does Mac Miller know you? Do you own hip hop? no? then why does it bother you? because you are black and hip hop is yours? No hip hop is the peoples who put their lives into that shit. You can pretend that somehow every white person has no soul and every black person gets everything hip hop is about (generalizing as their are multiple types of hip hop which is what makes the genre so great, something for everybody). but alot of people from other cultures have dedicated their life to this great form of art. Sorry you can't get past the 70's when it was only in the hoods and a white person had never signed a rapper yet.
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So 2pac making songs about wanting to kill Biggie isn't negative, but Biggie who stayed out of the beef had lyrics that were "too violent and pornographic?" Shit man, when it comes down to it i'll take Pac over Biggie any day, but your thought process on this one is ridiculous.
Some of Big's lyrics I thought were a little tasteless. When Pac talks about sex in his music it's a little more romance like "Heaven Ain't Hard 2 Find" or it's on some ain't no fun if the homies can't have none type of shit like on "Rather Be Your N.I.G.G.A." so men can relate to that shit. But for Biggie I felt like some of his lyrics were just a little too tasteless in their pornagraphy.
But this is coming from somebody who doesn't even watch porn. I wasn't even dissing Biggie, I consider Biggie one of the all-time greats from the golden age of rap. I was just saying I don't put him in my top 5-10 and one of the reasons is I felt some of his lyrics were a little too pornographic and tasteless, like the joint he did with Kim on disc 2 of Life After Death and also the "Nasty" joint are examples of tracks I skip.
"Oooh I'm excited!
Cause it's a party in my bedroom, you're invited - c'mon now
Let me see ya shake your rump, tell me
how long will it take to cum, havin fun
Do it one on one and we can all get involved
First y'all do me, then I'll fuck y'all"
yeah real romantic
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So 2pac making songs about wanting to kill Biggie isn't negative, but Biggie who stayed out of the beef had lyrics that were "too violent and pornographic?" Shit man, when it comes down to it i'll take Pac over Biggie any day, but your thought process on this one is ridiculous.
Some of Big's lyrics I thought were a little tasteless. When Pac talks about sex in his music it's a little more romance like "Heaven Ain't Hard 2 Find" or it's on some ain't no fun if the homies can't have none type of shit like on "Rather Be Your N.I.G.G.A." so men can relate to that shit. But for Biggie I felt like some of his lyrics were just a little too tasteless in their pornagraphy.
But this is coming from somebody who doesn't even watch porn. I wasn't even dissing Biggie, I consider Biggie one of the all-time greats from the golden age of rap. I was just saying I don't put him in my top 5-10 and one of the reasons is I felt some of his lyrics were a little too pornographic and tasteless, like the joint he did with Kim on disc 2 of Life After Death and also the "Nasty" joint are examples of tracks I skip.
"Oooh I'm excited!
Cause it's a party in my bedroom, you're invited - c'mon now
Let me see ya shake your rump, tell me
how long will it take to cum, havin fun
Do it one on one and we can all get involved
First y'all do me, then I'll fuck y'all"
yeah real romantic
you look so good ill suck on ur daddys dick biggie :-X
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ya infinite man hate those rappers giving love to girls empowering them.
like these wack ass MC's
http://www.youtube.com/v/HfXwmDGJAB8
http://www.youtube.com/v/pBtJYgd2OXI
http://www.youtube.com/v/xEfkdnx1zUs
http://www.youtube.com/v/gFxHg4Zx_c0
http://www.youtube.com/v/WJC5UEZ1mww
http://www.youtube.com/v/Urbc8Q6oQas
http://www.youtube.com/v/tFfb_CwBma0
http://www.youtube.com/v/W_-qRcHAhzk
god damn those mc's are killing hip hop fucking pac & method man simpin to ho's. pshhh. swag westside.
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Brian, what about Eminem? His lyrics were far more disgusting and misogynistic than Biggies and you love Eminem. Makes no sense.
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Brian, what about Eminem? His lyrics were far more disgusting and misogynistic than Biggies and you love Eminem. Makes no sense.
Because he's an idiot.