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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Drudge on October 21, 2005, 02:10:27 PM
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Rock and Roll started from a legendary blues artist Robert (Sold himself to Satan) Johnson at the crossroads. Many evolutionary bands beatles, rolling stones, led zeppelin, to eric clapton claim Johnson as the pioneer of rock music. Rock and Roll's postives are: Must know how to play an instrument, sing to a certain extent, or have good showmanship. Rock and Roll started the sixties rebellion against the government, also gave rock bands a way to protest the war in viet nam and governmental authority. However, negatives against rock and roll are, Most blacks don't like rock and roll. It's been said by many blacks, "rock is for white people". There's hardly any blacks or hispanics that play rock music. Also, critics say "Rock and Roll is dead". There's been no innovative bands since the late seventies/early eighties. I give Rock and Roll 8 out of 10 because of all the classic albums.
Hip Hop/Rap started perhaps, as early as street corner doo wop by black americans. A fairly new genre of music, it has connected well with almost all races and cultures. It has brought Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, closer. In fact, almost a slap in the face to are racist 60's dads and mom's. Most critics however, declare Hip hop as no skills. Except, for rhyming. Most in hip hop have no experience in playing an instrument. Has in the last few years been been stagnant with not many classics since Dr Dre's Chronic 2000. Although, we could argue about underground artist and a few good albums, No'one garners as much respect for the artistry until there dead... I.e Tupac and Biggie. I give hip hop 4 out of 10. Hiphop loses because, lack of musicianship and lack of classic albums. Furthermore, When I listen to a classic rock station I'm moved by the music, Hiphop stations don't play Dear Mama even though its a classic. How many times do you here I'm bad by LL Cool J? Rock stomps Hip Hop.
Rock Classics Hip Hop
The Beatles White Run Dmc Raising Hell
Led zeppleling Iv Beastie Boys Licensed to Ill
Rolling Stones Sympathy for the Devil EPMD Strictly Business
Beatles Sergaent Peppers. LL COOL j I'm bad
Cream, Strange Brew public enemy millions to hold us back
Fleetwood mac Rumours nwa straight outta compton
Pink Floyd the Wall Gangstarr Daily operation
Jimi Hendrix Experience Biggie Ready to Die
The Doors Waiting for the sun Tupac Me against the World
Rush 5150 Mobb Deep Hell on Earth
Van Halen Self Titled Death Row Murder was the Case
The Eagles Hotel California
Journey Evolution DJ QUIK Safe and Sound
BOSTON SELF TITLED Dr Dre Chronic.
PRINCE purple rain (could defintely be argued as rock)
Michael Jackson Thriller (could be argue as rock)
Queen Bohemian Rhapsody
The Who Who are u
Yes Fragile
Elton John Yellow Brick Road
Metallica The black album
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what are you asking us here? which genre is better?
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hip hop kills rock & rolll
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rock and roll is shit now period
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rock and roll is shit now period
so is hip hop
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yeah rock is pretty gay right now, but hip hop is so cliched theres nothing original being put out, no matter what u say. so uh, fuck music?
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yeah rock is pretty gay right now, but hip hop is so cliched theres nothing original being put out, no matter what u say. so uh, fuck music?
haha lol and cosign. I think both genre is shit right now. no substance.
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it depends how you look at it... i prefer hip-hop over rock...
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In my opinion, Hip Hop is just an extension of Rock & Roll. I mean, Jay Z is about as Rock & Roll as it gets. Jay Z is more of a Rock Star than fuckin' Ashlee Simpson is, when you get right down to it there's not much difference between Weezer, Jay Z, and the White Stripes. Same type of music, different beat different words. You can trace all this shit back to Little Richard, a true pioneer. Robert Johnson helped lay the roots but I think with guys like Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Elvis Pressley, and Bill Haley you saw the real birth of Rock & Roll. Jay Z and a guy like Jerry Lee Lewis stand and represent the same exact fucking thing. I think that's pretty much true of all of your TRUE acts. Somebody like Ashlee Simpson (although I don't have any problems with her) is not Rock & Roll because she's more of an act than anything legitimate. You could say the same thing about bands like Creed or Staind or whatever the fuck. NOT Rock & Roll. Rock & Roll is bigger than life, shit that's seemingly regular people born extraordinary. Snoop Doggy Dogg was going to be a rock star when he was fucking BORN, there's something in his personality that makes it impossible for him not to run shit. Good examples of Rockstars walking amongst us today are folks like Jay Z, Rivers Cuomo, Bono, Dr. Dre, Kanye West, 50 Cent, Jack White, the Gallagher Brothers, Good Charlotte, fuckin Garth Brooks, etc. Rock & Roll is HUGE people don't even get it. It's almost a religion it's so big.
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^^Elvis is a pop star.....He didnt write his own songs.....if you call being a rockstar someone who has stage presence that is him, but as for the musical creativity part in it, he really didnt have any ....
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The first thing y'all do when a rap album come out is call that "album of the year" & in the next thread y'all say hip hop is weak these days.2005 has been a great year for hip hop,stop bitching.
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The first thing y'all do when a rap album come out is call that "album of the year" & in the next thread y'all say hip hop is weak these days.2005 has been a great year for hip hop,stop bitching.
Just what I was going to say. Hiphop is alive, bitches! Just take a look outside of the top10 of the pop charts before bitching about the state of hiphop.
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I guess some of us forgot that The Minstrel Show, Be, Trill have come out this year :(
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rock in my ipod hip hop in the ride...
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^^Elvis is a pop star.....He didnt write his own songs.....if you call being a rockstar someone who has stage presence that is him, but as for the musical creativity part in it, he really didnt have any ....
Sure he did. He may not have written his hits but veruy few artists did in those days. Elvis did produce just about every song. He chose how to sing and the pace the istruments were played. When he sang That's Alright Mama with the country flavour he added to it he made a huge contribution to rock and roll.
Like Trauma said; Hip hop is Rock, just like Metal is rock and punk is Rock and grunge is rock and new wave is rock. You can't have a vs. when they are part of the same thing. It's like saying; what's better the MLB or the Boston Red Sox?
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hiphop is rock and roll
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^^Elvis is a pop star.....He didnt write his own songs.....if you call being a rockstar someone who has stage presence that is him, but as for the musical creativity part in it, he really didnt have any ....
Please. Dr. Dre doesn't write his own songs, either. He's still a fucking genius. Elvis Presley was one of the greatest things to ever hit music, I don't give a shit that he didn't write his own songs. You telling me Frank Sinatra wasn't creative, Frank Sinatra wasn't a rockstar? He didn't write shit either... and I'm not talking about just Stage Presence.
Back to Elvis... if you think Elvis wasn't creative, you don't know SHIT about music. You talk to anybody who knows anything at all about music, and they will worship the ground Elvis Presley walked on. Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Carl Perkins, Robert Johnson, you can give whoever you want credit for starting Rock & Roll, but Elvis Presley KILLED it, it hasn't been done any better since, and it never will. There will never be a bigger Rock Star than Elvis Presley, the man had god given talent to perform, entertain, and had a voice that is basically unrivaled. He helped create an entire catalogue of classic recordings, many of which he mastered in 1 take. Elvis would read lyrics 1 time, then go in the studio and cut a perfect take of the song. His voice had no limit, he could sing honestly any song presented to him, from Rock & Roll, to Country, to near operatic quality tracks like An American Trilogy or rockabily tracks that are basically unimatable, like "Heartbreak Hotel". Look how he goes from rock & roll to almost inhuman on the hook of the song.
Also, Elvis was a fantastic guitar player, of course he didn't play much in his later years because he was constantly dancing, but that didn't mean the man couldn't play. Watch his '68 comeback special for that. Also, he was a talented pianist, and finally, he has the largest fan following of any musician, EVER, including the Beatles, and they're 4 guys. He's 1.
Oh, P.S., another thing. Of all the interviews, stories about Elvis, recollections from friends and family, tapes, studio sessions... Find 1 negative, or bad comment Elvis ever said about anybody, anything, anywhere, any time. The man was truly one of the nicest celebrities that's ever walked the face of the planet.
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^^you make good points but how is he being creative by not writing his own material?? im not arguing the fact that he does not have a great voice, he's a great Musician, but how could you be all that and not write any of your hits? How the hell is being a performer, or taking songs and reading them and singing them in one take being creative??? What does him being a nice guy have to do with his creativity?? Obviously you dont know SHIT about music, trying to prove a point that doesnt exist. Sure he's loved by all, i mean come on he has performed classic tunes that people will never forget, but he did not write them at all.....How does that make him creative?
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trauama wats the dif between good charleotte and staind....
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^^you make good points but how is he being creative by not writing his own material?? im not arguing the fact that he does not have a great voice, he's a great Musician, but how could you be all that and not write any of your hits? How the hell is being a performer, or taking songs and reading them and singing them in one take being creative??? What does him being a nice guy have to do with his creativity?? Obviously you dont know SHIT about music, trying to prove a point that doesnt exist. Sure he's loved by all, i mean come on he has performed classic tunes that people will never forget, but he did not write them at all.....How does that make him creative?
The way he sang them made him creative. Listen to the original recordings of some of his early Sun records and compare them to his versions. Many of them were dramatically different. Jimi Hendrix didn't write All Along the Watch Tower but his version of Dylan's song was very creative. Elvis gets songwriting credit on some songs because of what he did with the arrangements and the melody.
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^^you make good points but how is he being creative by not writing his own material?? im not arguing the fact that he does not have a great voice, he's a great Musician, but how could you be all that and not write any of your hits? How the hell is being a performer, or taking songs and reading them and singing them in one take being creative??? What does him being a nice guy have to do with his creativity?? Obviously you dont know SHIT about music, trying to prove a point that doesnt exist. Sure he's loved by all, i mean come on he has performed classic tunes that people will never forget, but he did not write them at all.....How does that make him creative?
I don't know shit? Please. You don't even understand the simple BASICS of recording music, this is BASIC, 101 shit. You don't even understand the difference or importance of a performance, a production, and a lyric. The point Shallow just made about Hendrix's All Along the Watch Tower is a perfect example. So Hendrix's version wouldn't be creative, then, right?
When you grow up a couple years, come back and tell me how wrong you were and how much you love Elvis Presley now that you've listened to his music with half a fucking mind.
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hiphop is rock and roll
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that first ever gangsta song by ice t (cop killa) wasnt that like a rock song lol so its like hip hop came fom rock & roll
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you cant hiphop and rock and roll its 2 total different kinds of music.
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hiphop is rock and roll
explain yourself plz.
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hiphop is rock and roll
explain yourself plz.
Elvis is considered Rock and Roll, the Rolling Stones are considered Rock and Roll, Led Zeppelin is considered Rock and Roll, Pink Floyd is considered Rock and Roll, The Ramones are considered Rock and Roll, Metallica is considered Rock and Roll, Nirvana is considered Rock and Roll. Each of these bands and artists are called rockabilly, rock and blues, hard rock, art/progressive rock, punk rock, heavy metal, and grunge, respectively. They all sound very different and all had different lifestyles attached to them, yet they are all considered part of rock and roll. Therefore, Run DMC is Rock and Roll, Snoop is Rock and Roll, Jay Z is Rock and Roll, and Hip Hip os Rock and Roll.
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^^ I get what your saying, but basically the offcuts of rock are still comparable
The arguement that either genres is dead is extremely tiresome, boring and a bandwagon stance. In years to come our kids (hypothetical situation) will be praising our generation's music and repeating the same arguement.
As for rock vs hip hop.. I was always into rock, but enjoyed the expression hip hop gave. However when it came down to it rock creates more energy for me personally than what hip hop does. Plus too rock gigs cut it for me more than hip hop shows do.
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hiphop is rock and roll
explain yourself plz.
Elvis is considered Rock and Roll, the Rolling Stones are considered Rock and Roll, Led Zeppelin is considered Rock and Roll, Pink Floyd is considered Rock and Roll, The Ramones are considered Rock and Roll, Metallica is considered Rock and Roll, Nirvana is considered Rock and Roll. Each of these bands and artists are called rockabilly, rock and blues, hard rock, art/progressive rock, punk rock, heavy metal, and grunge, respectively. They all sound very different and all had different lifestyles attached to them, yet they are all considered part of rock and roll. Therefore, Run DMC is Rock and Roll, Snoop is Rock and Roll, Jay Z is Rock and Roll, and Hip Hip os Rock and Roll.
I think it depends on how you judge it. Do you look at the sounds? Then you can conclude that they are not the same because the sound is a world of differince. Or do you look at the origins of hiphop? Then you can also conclude that they are not the same, because it originaly comes from Jamaicans, who introduced it in New York City. But if you look at the lifestyles then you see more similarities, but not a lot. I Think hiphop is a lot more extreme and realistic, but i dont know enough about rock to judge it.
So i would go as far as saying rock and roll is hiphop. They do have some similarities but they are not one and the same.
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LMAO @ people sayin hip-hop is rock & roll.... hip hop is hip hop... lets call a spade a spade...
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hiphop is rock and roll
explain yourself plz.
Elvis is considered Rock and Roll, the Rolling Stones are considered Rock and Roll, Led Zeppelin is considered Rock and Roll, Pink Floyd is considered Rock and Roll, The Ramones are considered Rock and Roll, Metallica is considered Rock and Roll, Nirvana is considered Rock and Roll. Each of these bands and artists are called rockabilly, rock and blues, hard rock, art/progressive rock, punk rock, heavy metal, and grunge, respectively. They all sound very different and all had different lifestyles attached to them, yet they are all considered part of rock and roll. Therefore, Run DMC is Rock and Roll, Snoop is Rock and Roll, Jay Z is Rock and Roll, and Hip Hip os Rock and Roll.
I think it depends on how you judge it. Do you look at the sounds? Then you can conclude that they are not the same because the sound is a world of differince. Or do you look at the origins of hiphop? Then you can also conclude that they are not the same, because it originaly comes from Jamaicans, who introduced it in New York City. But if you look at the lifestyles then you see more similarities, but not a lot. I Think hiphop is a lot more extreme and realistic, but i dont know enough about rock to judge it.
So i would go as far as saying rock and roll is hiphop. They do have some similarities but they are not one and the same.
It's the attitude. The new young style rebelling against the old. That's what Rock and Roll is. It's not a sound. I never was. The sound are rhythm and blues is a sound. Rockabilly is a sound. Acid Rock is a sound. Heavy Metal is a sound. Punk is a sound. Hip Hop is a sound. Rock and Roll is an attitude.
The basis of all of this is in the American Blues, one way or another. Hard Rock was more a british thing than anything else but it was greatly influenced the the blues. Aspects of hip hop may have come from Jamaica, but many other aspects came from the same place all other parts a of rock do. That's not important though because with the popularity of Elvis, Rock and Roll went worldwide. The only thing that matters is the attitude and the rebellion. Whether you are rebelling against racism, government, society, or fashion it doesn't matter. Hip Hop has the attitude. It's rock and roll.
Put in Metallica's Enter Sandman and then put in Elvis's Don't Be Cruel. If both those count as Rock and Roll then Hip Hop sure as hell does. Just ask Chuck D.
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hip hop is definately a part of rock and roll
all of the early records were samples from rock records....ALL, and all the beats being made today are seen as the progression of funk/soul music....which a part of R &B which is the cultivation of rock and roll
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hip hop is definately a part of rock and roll
all of the early records were samples from rock records....ALL, and all the beats being made today are seen as the progression of funk/soul music....which a part of R &B which is the cultivation of rock and roll
yeah but does that actually make it rock and roll ? shit may aswell call it cave-man music, coz thats where all music stemmed from... ::)
HIP-HOP IS NOT ROCK AND ROLL.
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hip hop is definately a part of rock and roll
all of the early records were samples from rock records....ALL, and all the beats being made today are seen as the progression of funk/soul music....which a part of R &B which is the cultivation of rock and roll
yeah but does that actually make it rock and roll ? shit may aswell call it cave-man music, coz thats where all music stemmed from... ::)
HIP-HOP IS NOT ROCK AND ROLL.
Then neither is punk, metal, grunge, folk rock, or hard rock. Jimi Hendrix isn't rock and roll because he sounds nothing like Little Richard.
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hip hop is definately a part of rock and roll
all the beats being made today are seen as the progression of funk/soul music
yeah but does that actually make it rock and roll ? shit may aswell call it cave-man music, coz thats where all music stemmed from... ::)
HIP-HOP IS NOT ROCK AND ROLL.
i like it how people who don't know anything about music try to talk big like they do
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hip hop is definately a part of rock and roll
all the beats being made today are seen as the progression of funk/soul music
yeah but does that actually make it rock and roll ? shit may aswell call it cave-man music, coz thats where all music stemmed from... ::)
HIP-HOP IS NOT ROCK AND ROLL.
i like it how people who don't know anything about music try to talk big like they do
and i love it when people who know music try to call hip-hop rock and roll when its a different genre of music...
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hip hop is definately a part of rock and roll
all the beats being made today are seen as the progression of funk/soul music
yeah but does that actually make it rock and roll ? shit may aswell call it cave-man music, coz thats where all music stemmed from... ::)
HIP-HOP IS NOT ROCK AND ROLL.
i like it how people who don't know anything about music try to talk big like they do
and i love it when people who know music try to call hip-hop rock and roll when its a different genre of music...
The noun Rock and Roll is like the noun Hollywood in that it's not an actual genre. (Like I said Punk, Metal, are different genres but they are both rock and roll. How does hip hop differ from that?) Hollywood is a style not movies. You can shoot movies in Hollywood and have it not be Hollywood and you can shoot movies outside of Hollywood and have it still be Hollywood. Thomas Edison and company may have invented the moving picture and that technology may have been utilized by different nations in different styles, but you can still tell Hollywood when you see it. Carey Grant was in every sense of the word, Hollywood, much like Denzel Washington is today. Now Charlie Chaplin and Jim Carrey is nothing like either of these men and their movies are very different but they are all Hollywood. Most films today have little to do with Hollywood, California. They aren't filmed there any more, they aren't edited there. Stars don't live there, but the movies and stars are still Hollywood. Why? Because of the attitude. The intangible that is Hollywood. Much like the intangible that is Rock and Roll, Hollywood goes far beyond a style or genre.
Rock and Roll is not a style of music, it is the attitude attatched to music and hip hop has that attitude. Rhythm and Blues may have been invented in Memphis Tennesee by the forging of black blues and gospel with white country and folk, but Rock and Roll was born with the rebellion and attitude of doing what you aren't supposed to. When Little Richard sang Tuttie Frutie that was Rhythm and Blues. When white kids started dancing to black music filled with sex driven lyrics that was Rock and Roll. That rebellion and attitude shifted to protesting war, and later to doing drugs, then moving to exploring your soul, to anti establishment, to fighting conformity, to cries of help from the streets and ghettos. All are very different but that all possess the same attitude that leads to this rebellion and they are all a part of Rock and Roll.
Rock and Roll was there before Memphis and before Rhythm and Blues. It was there with Robert Johnson when he was accused of making a pact with Satan to improve his skills and shame his peers with superior abilities. It was there with Woody Guthrie when he wrote This Land Is Your Land out of disgust for Irving Berlin and God Bless America. It was there with Jim Morrison in New Haven, Connecticut when he incited a riot on the police for spraying him with mase. And it was there with 2Pac Shakur when he wrote Brenda's Got a Baby. It's here right now with 50 Cent and Eminem, and it'll be here 10 years from now with who knows who playing who knows what kind of music. Rock and Roll is not the music. It is the soul that drives the music.
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^ PREACH ON MY BROTHER.
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Techno music. Does it have the rock n roll attitude?
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Techno music. Does it have the rock n roll attitude?
Moby has been rock and roll from day one. Techno is rock and roll too.
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I would say that's your universal definition of rock and roll. From what ive read, the rock and roll you describe is really the whole attitude that musicians have in general. In your definition, Mozart is on that same level
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I would say that's your universal definition of rock and roll. From what ive read, the rock and roll you describe is really the whole attitude that musicians have in general. In your definition, Mozart is on that same level
The Mozart from Amadeus was certainly a Rock star but I'm not sure how accurate that move is. In general classical music is nothing like rock and roll. It has no rebellion in it, but one could argue a few classical composers were rock and roll.
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The evolution of words and it's defintion is just too cool lol. See how these little debates are much better than when people put crap like " ::) "
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man whatever, you can call it what you want. you wont have me comvinced.
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I got a question for you shallow. Reggae has the same attitude as rock and roll you know, rebelious against the systeem smoking weed and all that stuff. So do you consider reggae rock and roll?
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I got a question for you shallow. Reggae has the same attitude as rock and roll you know, rebelious against the systeem smoking weed and all that stuff. So do you consider reggae rock and roll?
With out a doubt. If you look at the history of Reggae it was the folk music of the islands infused with the western Roick and Roll as a direct influence. Look at pictures of Bob Marley from the early 60s and you'll see him dressed just like the bands in the US of the time. If the Beatles are Rock and Roll then I don't see why the Whailers aren't.
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I got a question for you shallow. Reggae has the same attitude as rock and roll you know, rebelious against the systeem smoking weed and all that stuff. So do you consider reggae rock and roll?
With out a doubt. If you look at the history of Reggae it was the folk music of the islands infused with the western Roick and Roll as a direct influence. Look at pictures of Bob Marley from the early 60s and you'll see him dressed just like the bands in the US of the time. If the Beatles are Rock and Roll then I don't see why the Whailers aren't.
well then you can say (by your standards) reggae is rock and roll and rap is rock and roll. So then you could name it almost any type of rebelious music. And its not specificly rock and roll.
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I got a question for you shallow. Reggae has the same attitude as rock and roll you know, rebelious against the systeem smoking weed and all that stuff. So do you consider reggae rock and roll?
With out a doubt. If you look at the history of Reggae it was the folk music of the islands infused with the western Roick and Roll as a direct influence. Look at pictures of Bob Marley from the early 60s and you'll see him dressed just like the bands in the US of the time. If the Beatles are Rock and Roll then I don't see why the Whailers aren't.
well then you can say (by your standards) reggae is rock and roll and rap is rock and roll. So then you could name it almost any type of rebelious music. And its not specificly rock and roll.
If it's not then what is rock and roll? If Rock and Roll is just Rhythm and Blues with a country flavour then Rock and Roll died the second Dylan recorded Like A Rollingstone or even when the Beatles recorded Love Me Do. Songs from that era sounded nothing like the songs from the 50s. Why should both be in the same genre and why should 60s rock be considered Rock and Roll when it sounds nothing like 50s rock?
I have been doing some thinking and maybe it has to be directly influenced by the Tennessee movement for it to be considered Rock and Roll. There is no doubt that Reggae was influenced by that, and the Beatles, and Dylan, and Led Zeppelin, and The Ramones, and Aerosmith, and Run DMC. It all ties in together for me. The quick paced complex rhymes of Rakim or KRS sound directly influenced by the quick paced complex rhymes of Bob Dyaln's "It's Alright Ma". The sound a record makes when you scratch doesn't sound to different than some Jimmy Page solos I've heard Page was influenced by Rythm and Blues.
What is Rock and Roll? Can anyone asnwer that for me?
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everyone on here has a different idea of what rock n roll is. some people are using it as a genre of music, some are seeing it as an attitude, ect ect. I don't know much about rock n roll, i could never get into it. When i think of something that moves me i think hip hop. What i do know is what i think of rock and roll. When i think of rock and roll i think of all the classic stuff like the beatles and elvis. I also think of the hair bands, especially the hair bands and nirvana, so on and so on. Now a days you have more alternative shit and when i think of that i think of rock. when you add the roll, to me it kind of changes the sound, the feel. Even attitude wise, hip hop i dont think fits in that catagory. if just doenst work for me. they are both rebellious, but rebellion is very broad. its a completely different feel. Hip hop uses sounds from rock and roll songs and evolved from rock and roll, but its not rock and roll to me. I feel that if hip hop is rock and roll, then you are your mom and dad. I come from my parents, i have things in me that i got from my parents, but i am by no means my paretns. I'm my parents and everyone else in my family ties mixed up to make me. Thats how i look at hip hop. It's it's own thing. Rock n roll has genres like grundge, punk, metal. Those are all rock n roll, but they came so far after rock n roll really started. Hip hop is a young genre, but its beginning to get those spin offs very slowly like crunk, gangstar, ect. Im with my man up a little bit, i could never be convinced that hip hop is rock n roll.
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everyone on here has a different idea of what rock n roll is. some people are using it as a genre of music, some are seeing it as an attitude, ect ect. I don't know much about rock n roll, i could never get into it. When i think of something that moves me i think hip hop. What i do know is what i think of rock and roll. When i think of rock and roll i think of all the classic stuff like the beatles and elvis. I also think of the hair bands, especially the hair bands and nirvana, so on and so on. Now a days you have more alternative shit and when i think of that i think of rock. when you add the roll, to me it kind of changes the sound, the feel. Even attitude wise, hip hop i dont think fits in that catagory. if just doenst work for me. they are both rebellious, but rebellion is very broad. its a completely different feel. Hip hop uses sounds from rock and roll songs and evolved from rock and roll, but its not rock and roll to me. I feel that if hip hop is rock and roll, then you are your mom and dad. I come from my parents, i have things in me that i got from my parents, but i am by no means my paretns. I'm my parents and everyone else in my family ties mixed up to make me. Thats how i look at hip hop. It's it's own thing. Rock n roll has genres like grundge, punk, metal. Those are all rock n roll, but they came so far after rock n roll really started. Hip hop is a young genre, but its beginning to get those spin offs very slowly like crunk, gangstar, ect. Im with my man up a little bit, i could never be convinced that hip hop is rock n roll.
Let's say, using your family theory, that Blues and Country got married and became The Smith family, and each had two sons, RnB Smith and Rockabilly Smith. RnB Smith had a son, Motown Smith, and Rockabilly Smith had a son named British Rock Smith, and another son with folk named Folk Rock Smith. British Rock Smith had 3 sons, Acid Rock Smith, Hard Rock Smith, and Art Rock Smith, while Folk Rock evloved as a bachelor. Hard Rock then had Metal Smith and Punk Smith, while Motown raised a very rebellious Funk Smith who was partly raised by his uncle Acid Rock Smith. Funk Smith gave birth to Hip Hop, but Hard Rock and Folk Rock had a hand in guiding the young lad to it teenage years. Punk Smith had New Wave Smith and Grunge Smith, and then Punk Smith lent a hand in cousin Hip Hop become a man. New Wave then had Techno Smith, and the Smith family lives with us today.
Now this is all very confusing, but the bottom line is that all of these are their own man, but they are all Smiths. Replace Smith with Rock and Roll and you'll see what I mean. Now you can denounce this theory but if you do so then you have to say that Metal and Punk aren't Rock and Roll, if Hip Hop isn't.
Yes Hip Hop has it's own subgenres, but so does Metal (Thrash Metal, Death Metal, Hair Metal), Punk and all the others.
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This Rock N Roll discussion is really just about the the rhytym of the music, lets not forget the art of DJing and MCing. You can get a single drum, which obviously has been around before Rock N Roll, create a rhytym and the MC will start rhyming, and it is hip hop.
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Thread's been taking out of context, i'm sure when it was created the intention wasn't to start a debate on the origins of other genres. Despite their origin there is an obvious difference between to the two and both are comparable, hence the reason for different target bases.
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Thread's been taking out of context, i'm sure when it was created the intention wasn't to start a debate on the origins of other genres. Despite their origin there is an obvious difference between to the two and both are comparable, hence the reason for different target bases.
But what is Rock and Roll? It's not about the origins of each it's about figuring out what we are debating. Elvis and The Sex Pistols are as fas away from the same thing as can be. Snoop is more like Elvis than Johnny Rotten is. Now if someone asked what's better Hip Hop or Metal? or Hip Hop or Punk? Gangsta Rap or Grunge? Hip Hop or Acid/Psychodelic Rock? or Current Hip Hop or current Garage Rock? Then we could have a debate, but I don't think you can say Hip Hop or Rock and Roll because Rock and Roll cannot be defined by a single sound. To me it's like saying; What's better Hollywood or Short Films? Hollywood or Cartoon Movies? Hollywood or Musicals? Short Films, Cartoons, and Musicals can all fall under Hollywood. Now if you say live action dramas, or high budegt action films then you can have a real debate.
Anyone that doesn't see why Hip Hop falls under the Rock and Roll umbrella but thinks Punk and Metal do is an ignorant fool who only disagrees because they have a bad personal feeling towards rock or rockers. Kraftwerk would make songs using just keyboards and samples, why are they Rock and not hip hop. Aerosmith rapped on Walk This Way, why wasn't that song considered rap until Run DMC covered it? It's prejudice and stupidity. "Hip Hip can't be Rock". I hear it all the time in my area, by the same people that think blacks were the slaves for every nation in history. "Whites were never enslaved".
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Thread's been taking out of context, i'm sure when it was created the intention wasn't to start a debate on the origins of other genres. Despite their origin there is an obvious difference between to the two and both are comparable, hence the reason for different target bases.
But what is Rock and Roll? It's not about the origins of each it's about figuring out what we are debating. Elvis and The Sex Pistols are as fas away from the same thing as can be. Snoop is more like Elvis than Johnny Rotten is. Now if someone asked what's better Hip Hop or Metal? or Hip Hop or Punk? Gangsta Rap or Grunge? Hip Hop or Acid/Psychodelic Rock? or Current Hip Hop or current Garage Rock? Then we could have a debate, but I don't think you can say Hip Hop or Rock and Roll because Rock and Roll cannot be defined by a single sound. To me it's like saying; What's better Hollywood or Short Films? Hollywood or Cartoon Movies? Hollywood or Musicals? Short Films, Cartoons, and Musicals can all fall under Hollywood. Now if you say live action dramas, or high budegt action films then you can have a real debate.
Anyone that doesn't see why Hip Hop falls under the Rock and Roll umbrella but thinks Punk and Metal do is an ignorant fool who only disagrees because they have a bad personal feeling towards rock or rockers. Kraftwerk would make songs using just keyboards and samples, why are they Rock and not hip hop. Aerosmith rapped on Walk This Way, why wasn't that song considered rap until Run DMC covered it? It's prejudice and stupidity. "Hip Hip can't be Rock". I hear it all the time in my area, by the same people that think blacks were the slaves for every nation in history. "Whites were never enslaved".
Well i dont have any bad experiences or personal feelings towards rock and roll, its just not my kind of music. Hip hop and rock and roll could come from the same music genres, but they grew apart from eachother. And they have an identity of their own. Its just like an identical twin, you have one seed that 2 children grow from. They may look identical on the outside, but on the inside they are very different. And this is the same with rock and roll and hip hop. If you look at the lifestyle and attitude on the outside, thay may look the same. But if you live one lifestyle you can never say that they are the same. Its like saying Ronaldo and Adriano are the same because they both score goals, but the way they do it makes them different from eachother and unique.
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Thread's been taking out of context, i'm sure when it was created the intention wasn't to start a debate on the origins of other genres. Despite their origin there is an obvious difference between to the two and both are comparable, hence the reason for different target bases.
But what is Rock and Roll? It's not about the origins of each it's about figuring out what we are debating. Elvis and The Sex Pistols are as fas away from the same thing as can be. Snoop is more like Elvis than Johnny Rotten is. Now if someone asked what's better Hip Hop or Metal? or Hip Hop or Punk? Gangsta Rap or Grunge? Hip Hop or Acid/Psychodelic Rock? or Current Hip Hop or current Garage Rock? Then we could have a debate, but I don't think you can say Hip Hop or Rock and Roll because Rock and Roll cannot be defined by a single sound. To me it's like saying; What's better Hollywood or Short Films? Hollywood or Cartoon Movies? Hollywood or Musicals? Short Films, Cartoons, and Musicals can all fall under Hollywood. Now if you say live action dramas, or high budegt action films then you can have a real debate.
Anyone that doesn't see why Hip Hop falls under the Rock and Roll umbrella but thinks Punk and Metal do is an ignorant fool who only disagrees because they have a bad personal feeling towards rock or rockers. Kraftwerk would make songs using just keyboards and samples, why are they Rock and not hip hop. Aerosmith rapped on Walk This Way, why wasn't that song considered rap until Run DMC covered it? It's prejudice and stupidity. "Hip Hip can't be Rock". I hear it all the time in my area, by the same people that think blacks were the slaves for every nation in history. "Whites were never enslaved".
Well i dont have any bad experiences or personal feelings towards rock and roll, its just not my kind of music. Hip hop and rock and roll could come from the same music genres, but they grew apart from eachother. And they have an identity of their own. Its just like and identical twin, you have one seed that 2 children grow from. They may look identical on the outside, but on the inside they are very different. And this is the same with rock and roll and hip hop. If you look at the lifestyle on attitude on the outside thay may look the same. But if you live on lifestyle you can never say that they are the same. Its like saying Ronaldo and Adriano are the same because they both score goals, but the way they do it makes them different from eachother and unique.
yeah that was well put...
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Thread's been taking out of context, i'm sure when it was created the intention wasn't to start a debate on the origins of other genres. Despite their origin there is an obvious difference between to the two and both are comparable, hence the reason for different target bases.
But what is Rock and Roll? It's not about the origins of each it's about figuring out what we are debating. Elvis and The Sex Pistols are as fas away from the same thing as can be. Snoop is more like Elvis than Johnny Rotten is. Now if someone asked what's better Hip Hop or Metal? or Hip Hop or Punk? Gangsta Rap or Grunge? Hip Hop or Acid/Psychodelic Rock? or Current Hip Hop or current Garage Rock? Then we could have a debate, but I don't think you can say Hip Hop or Rock and Roll because Rock and Roll cannot be defined by a single sound. To me it's like saying; What's better Hollywood or Short Films? Hollywood or Cartoon Movies? Hollywood or Musicals? Short Films, Cartoons, and Musicals can all fall under Hollywood. Now if you say live action dramas, or high budegt action films then you can have a real debate.
Anyone that doesn't see why Hip Hop falls under the Rock and Roll umbrella but thinks Punk and Metal do is an ignorant fool who only disagrees because they have a bad personal feeling towards rock or rockers. Kraftwerk would make songs using just keyboards and samples, why are they Rock and not hip hop. Aerosmith rapped on Walk This Way, why wasn't that song considered rap until Run DMC covered it? It's prejudice and stupidity. "Hip Hip can't be Rock". I hear it all the time in my area, by the same people that think blacks were the slaves for every nation in history. "Whites were never enslaved".
Well i dont have any bad experiences or personal feelings towards rock and roll, its just not my kind of music. Hip hop and rock and roll could come from the same music genres, but they grew apart from eachother. And they have an identity of their own. Its just like and identical twin, you have one seed that 2 children grow from. They may look identical on the outside, but on the inside they are very different. And this is the same with rock and roll and hip hop. If you look at the lifestyle on attitude on the outside thay may look the same. But if you live on lifestyle you can never say that they are the same. Its like saying Ronaldo and Adriano are the same because they both score goals, but the way they do it makes them different from eachother and unique.
You ignored the "if" I used. If you feel that Rock and Roll is one thing while Heavy Metal is another and Punk is another, then sure Hip Hip is something else. But IF you consider Punk and Metal to both be Rock but for Hip Hop to not be, then you are ignorant. You are not ignorant if you think otherwise and feel they are all separate from Rock and Roll.
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Thread's been taking out of context, i'm sure when it was created the intention wasn't to start a debate on the origins of other genres. Despite their origin there is an obvious difference between to the two and both are comparable, hence the reason for different target bases.
But what is Rock and Roll? It's not about the origins of each it's about figuring out what we are debating. Elvis and The Sex Pistols are as fas away from the same thing as can be. Snoop is more like Elvis than Johnny Rotten is. Now if someone asked what's better Hip Hop or Metal? or Hip Hop or Punk? Gangsta Rap or Grunge? Hip Hop or Acid/Psychodelic Rock? or Current Hip Hop or current Garage Rock? Then we could have a debate, but I don't think you can say Hip Hop or Rock and Roll because Rock and Roll cannot be defined by a single sound. To me it's like saying; What's better Hollywood or Short Films? Hollywood or Cartoon Movies? Hollywood or Musicals? Short Films, Cartoons, and Musicals can all fall under Hollywood. Now if you say live action dramas, or high budegt action films then you can have a real debate.
Anyone that doesn't see why Hip Hop falls under the Rock and Roll umbrella but thinks Punk and Metal do is an ignorant fool who only disagrees because they have a bad personal feeling towards rock or rockers. Kraftwerk would make songs using just keyboards and samples, why are they Rock and not hip hop. Aerosmith rapped on Walk This Way, why wasn't that song considered rap until Run DMC covered it? It's prejudice and stupidity. "Hip Hip can't be Rock". I hear it all the time in my area, by the same people that think blacks were the slaves for every nation in history. "Whites were never enslaved".
Well i dont have any bad experiences or personal feelings towards rock and roll, its just not my kind of music. Hip hop and rock and roll could come from the same music genres, but they grew apart from eachother. And they have an identity of their own. Its just like and identical twin, you have one seed that 2 children grow from. They may look identical on the outside, but on the inside they are very different. And this is the same with rock and roll and hip hop. If you look at the lifestyle on attitude on the outside thay may look the same. But if you live on lifestyle you can never say that they are the same. Its like saying Ronaldo and Adriano are the same because they both score goals, but the way they do it makes them different from eachother and unique.
You ignored the "if" I used. If you feel that Rock and Roll is one thing while Heavy Metal is another and Punk is another, then sure Hip Hip is something else. But IF you consider Punk and Metal to both be Rock but for Hip Hop to not be, then you are ignorant. You are not ignorant if you think otherwise and feel they are all separate from Rock and Roll.
is metal a life-style nowa days or a genre ?
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Explain why everybody want to compare Rock to Hip Hop ? This is a big pb when it comes to the fans of both kinds of music. Lots of so wannabes hip hop fans hate rock (the contrary is true too). I'm not at all in Rock, though I respect this kind of music, Rock and Hip Hop influenced themselves. People speak more about music or artists they hate than those they like
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Thread's been taking out of context, i'm sure when it was created the intention wasn't to start a debate on the origins of other genres. Despite their origin there is an obvious difference between to the two and both are comparable, hence the reason for different target bases.
But what is Rock and Roll? It's not about the origins of each it's about figuring out what we are debating. Elvis and The Sex Pistols are as fas away from the same thing as can be. Snoop is more like Elvis than Johnny Rotten is. Now if someone asked what's better Hip Hop or Metal? or Hip Hop or Punk? Gangsta Rap or Grunge? Hip Hop or Acid/Psychodelic Rock? or Current Hip Hop or current Garage Rock? Then we could have a debate, but I don't think you can say Hip Hop or Rock and Roll because Rock and Roll cannot be defined by a single sound. To me it's like saying; What's better Hollywood or Short Films? Hollywood or Cartoon Movies? Hollywood or Musicals? Short Films, Cartoons, and Musicals can all fall under Hollywood. Now if you say live action dramas, or high budegt action films then you can have a real debate.
Anyone that doesn't see why Hip Hop falls under the Rock and Roll umbrella but thinks Punk and Metal do is an ignorant fool who only disagrees because they have a bad personal feeling towards rock or rockers. Kraftwerk would make songs using just keyboards and samples, why are they Rock and not hip hop. Aerosmith rapped on Walk This Way, why wasn't that song considered rap until Run DMC covered it? It's prejudice and stupidity. "Hip Hip can't be Rock". I hear it all the time in my area, by the same people that think blacks were the slaves for every nation in history. "Whites were never enslaved".
Well i dont have any bad experiences or personal feelings towards rock and roll, its just not my kind of music. Hip hop and rock and roll could come from the same music genres, but they grew apart from eachother. And they have an identity of their own. Its just like and identical twin, you have one seed that 2 children grow from. They may look identical on the outside, but on the inside they are very different. And this is the same with rock and roll and hip hop. If you look at the lifestyle on attitude on the outside thay may look the same. But if you live on lifestyle you can never say that they are the same. Its like saying Ronaldo and Adriano are the same because they both score goals, but the way they do it makes them different from eachother and unique.
You ignored the "if" I used. If you feel that Rock and Roll is one thing while Heavy Metal is another and Punk is another, then sure Hip Hip is something else. But IF you consider Punk and Metal to both be Rock but for Hip Hop to not be, then you are ignorant. You are not ignorant if you think otherwise and feel they are all separate from Rock and Roll.
is metal a life-style nowa days or a genre ?
Metal and Punk are no less a lifestyle than Hip Hop is. They each have their own fashions, attitudes, philosophies. In hip hop you paint walls with spray paaint to express yourself. In punk you paint your face and hair to express yourself. In metal you paint your face in other ways. In hip hop you break dance, as opposed to moshing or headbanging. People can say hip hop is life all they want but I know some very serious metal and very serious punk fans that would say they are a part of lifestyles too.
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you are just stubborn. cant say you dont have a good argument though... but i wont buy it.
peace.
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you are just stubborn. cant say you dont have a good argument though... but i wont buy it.
peace.
You are the one that's stubborn. Go around the city you live and look for Punk fans or Metal fans, you can pick them out as easily as you can hip hop fans. Ask them what the music they listen does to influence who they are and what they do. You'll find that there is nothing hip hop gives to someone that Punk or Metal cannot. For everyhting that hip hop has that Meatl or Punk don't, there is smoething they have that hip hop doesn't.
Goddamn Hip Hop fans! And people wonder why I stopped calling myself one. Fucking idiots actually think it's a real culture. Cultures have religion, food, ideals, philosophies, music, dance, education, everything. In a true culture you can live off of things particular to that culture and not need anything outside it. Hip Hop is music, just like Punk or Metal. Just because that music chose to adopt things outside of it does not make it a true culture. Music comes from culture, cultures do not come from music. The culture that hip hop s currently part of is Black American urban street culture, as opposed to Black American rural culture, or White American rural cutlure, or American Surburb Culture. They day something like Hip Hop or Punk become accepted as a culture the same way Native American culture is seen uis a culture is the day I start a personal protest against such stupidity.
Do you eat Hip Hop food?
Do you go to Hip Hop schools?
Do you learn Hip Hop ideals?
What's you Hip Hop religion?
Something like Mexico has a Mexican Culture. I can go to Mexico and eat Mexican food, attend a Mexican school. Learn things about the Mexican way of life, and attend a Mexican Church. It is all there and it is a part of over 90% of Mexicans. Do 90% of Hip Hop heads attend KRS's Temple or whatever the hell he thinks he's doing.
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Thread's been taking out of context, i'm sure when it was created the intention wasn't to start a debate on the origins of other genres. Despite their origin there is an obvious difference between to the two and both are comparable, hence the reason for different target bases.
But what is Rock and Roll? It's not about the origins of each it's about figuring out what we are debating. Elvis and The Sex Pistols are as fas away from the same thing as can be. Snoop is more like Elvis than Johnny Rotten is. Now if someone asked what's better Hip Hop or Metal? or Hip Hop or Punk? Gangsta Rap or Grunge? Hip Hop or Acid/Psychodelic Rock? or Current Hip Hop or current Garage Rock? Then we could have a debate, but I don't think you can say Hip Hop or Rock and Roll because Rock and Roll cannot be defined by a single sound. To me it's like saying; What's better Hollywood or Short Films? Hollywood or Cartoon Movies? Hollywood or Musicals? Short Films, Cartoons, and Musicals can all fall under Hollywood. Now if you say live action dramas, or high budegt action films then you can have a real debate.
Anyone that doesn't see why Hip Hop falls under the Rock and Roll umbrella but thinks Punk and Metal do is an ignorant fool who only disagrees because they have a bad personal feeling towards rock or rockers. Kraftwerk would make songs using just keyboards and samples, why are they Rock and not hip hop. Aerosmith rapped on Walk This Way, why wasn't that song considered rap until Run DMC covered it? It's prejudice and stupidity. "Hip Hip can't be Rock". I hear it all the time in my area, by the same people that think blacks were the slaves for every nation in history. "Whites were never enslaved".
Well i dont have any bad experiences or personal feelings towards rock and roll, its just not my kind of music. Hip hop and rock and roll could come from the same music genres, but they grew apart from eachother. And they have an identity of their own. Its just like and identical twin, you have one seed that 2 children grow from. They may look identical on the outside, but on the inside they are very different. And this is the same with rock and roll and hip hop. If you look at the lifestyle on attitude on the outside thay may look the same. But if you live on lifestyle you can never say that they are the same. Its like saying Ronaldo and Adriano are the same because they both score goals, but the way they do it makes them different from eachother and unique.
You ignored the "if" I used. If you feel that Rock and Roll is one thing while Heavy Metal is another and Punk is another, then sure Hip Hip is something else. But IF you consider Punk and Metal to both be Rock but for Hip Hop to not be, then you are ignorant. You are not ignorant if you think otherwise and feel they are all separate from Rock and Roll.
is metal a life-style nowa days or a genre ?
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look at the evolution ....that's a culture almost 40 years deep
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Hip Hop pushes rock off the cliff, no competition.
Hip hop can evolve and twist up any kind of sound in to it. Unstoppable Monster.
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^ riiiiight, anywho, about the reggae thing, i dont think it has the rock n roll attitude
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^ riiiiight, anywho, about the reggae thing, i dont think it has the rock n roll attitude
Thyere is no way Eric Clapton had it if Bob Marley didn't. Clapton covered Marley songs so well for a reason.
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.... i dunno, wen i think of bob marley, i think, jammin, and is this love, wen i think clapton, cocaine and sunshine of your love... that leads to my opinion
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.... i dunno, wen i think of bob marley, i think, jammin, and is this love, wen i think clapton, cocaine and sunshine of your love... that leads to my opinion
Try Redemption Song or Rat Race. Could You Be Loved has a rock feel to it musically. And Is This Love is no less Rock than Wonderful Tonight.
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why are people trying to argue against this still.....hip hop is a part of the whole rock n roll revolution
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Explain in detail how is MCing and DJing part of the Rock N Roll culture. It;s a combination of many music genres, not just rock N roll
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Explain in detail how is MCing and DJing part of the Rock N Roll culture. It;s a combination of many music genres, not just rock N roll
Explain in detail how two hand tapping in a guitar solo is part of the Rock and Roll culture. It's a combination of many music genres, not just rock N roll.
Explain in detail how singing and playing drums is part of the Rock and Roll culture. It's a combination of many music genres, not just rock N roll.
Explain in detail how screaming and jumping around is part of the Rock and Roll culture. It's a combination of many music genres, not just rock N roll.
Answer those and then I'll answer your request.
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^^ Well actually he asked it first, so you should answer first.
But what you said in your previous post isnt true. I know hiphop aint a culture, but hiphop is definetly a lifestyle. Its how you talk (you know street slang), what clothes you wear, how you dance, how you act. Its like you said, its part of urban street culture. I used to go to a school where you had a bunch of rock and roll people. And it was a major difference in how they act and how they are. There are almost no similaritys, if you look at how they are as people.
You make it seem that rock and roll is the godfather of hiphop, and this isnt true. If you look at Tupac for example, he is so different then any random rock dude. The way he thinks the way he acts, the cause for which he was fighting for. And most importantly the message he was spreading. And hiphop is a lifestyle of its own. There is just some music that you cant put in a box. Its the same with reggae you said earlier that reggae is deffinetly a part of rock and roll, but this is also not true. The sound maybe influenced by ''rock and roll''. But Reggae is also definetly a different lifestyle then rock and hiphop. You got the rastafari and their own way of living and beliefs. They may be influenced by jazz music but they mixed it with their own culture. And it got so big that it became a lifestyle.
So thats why hiphop and reggae arent rock and roll. They are 3 music genres of their own.
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If you look at Tupac for example, he is so different then any random rock dude. The way he thinks the way he acts, the cause for which he was fighting for. And most importantly the message he was spreading.
tupac= jim morrison
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If you look at Tupac for example, he is so different then any random rock dude. The way he thinks the way he acts, the cause for which he was fighting for. And most importantly the message he was spreading.
tupac= jim morrison
PLz explain why tupac is jim morrison.
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^^ Well actually he asked it first, so you should answer first.
But what you said in your previous post isnt true. I know hiphop aint a culture, but hiphop is definetly a lifestyle. Its how you talk (you know street slang), what clothes you wear, how you dance, how you act. Its like you said, its part of urban street culture. I used to go to a school where you had a bunch of rock and roll people. And it was a major difference in how they act and how they are. There are almost no similaritys, if you look at how they are as people.
You make it seem that rock and roll is the godfather of hiphop, and this isnt true. If you look at Tupac for example, he is so different then any random rock dude. The way he thinks the way he acts, the cause for which he was fighting for. And most importantly the message he was spreading. And hiphop is a lifestyle of its own. There is just some music that you cant put in a box. Its the same with reggae you said earlier that reggae is deffinetly a part of rock and roll, but this is also not true. The sound maybe influenced by ''rock and roll''. But Reggae is also definetly a different lifestyle then rock and hiphop. You got the rastafari and their own way of living and beliefs. They may be influenced by jazz music but they mixed it with their own culture. And it got so big that it became a lifestyle.
So thats why hiphop and reggae arent rock and roll. They are 3 music genres of their own.
My questions were his answers.
Rastafari may be a culture, but you can be rastafari and not be reggae. regaae is al a big part of the christian jamaican culture.
Johnny Rotten is also different from anyone in Rock. Jim Morrison as well. Should they be considered something other than rock? You say you had rockers in your school and they were different from the hip hop crowd. What is a rocker? Were they metal heads? punk rockers? hippies? classic rockers? oldies rockers? mods? What is a rocker? Every kind of rocker I just mentioned live very different lifestyles than the others. The punk lifestyle is just as different from the metal lifestyle as hip hop is.
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If you look at Tupac for example, he is so different then any random rock dude. The way he thinks the way he acts, the cause for which he was fighting for. And most importantly the message he was spreading.
tupac= jim morrison
PLz explain why tupac is jim morrison.
He means that the way this description could be applied to 2Pac, it could just as easily be talking about Jim Morrison. In fact I'd say it describes Morrison far better than Shakur.
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If you look at Tupac for example, he is so different then any random rock dude. The way he thinks the way he acts, the cause for which he was fighting for. And most importantly the message he was spreading.
tupac= jim morrison
PLz explain why tupac is jim morrison.
He means that the way this description could be applied to 2Pac, it could just as easily be talking about Jim Morrison. In fact I'd say it describes Morrison far better than Shakur.
LOL,i wasnt describing 2pac, i was pointing out the difference between 2pac and any rock dude which could be jim morrison. And i wasnt giving actual examples.
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Moby has been rock and roll from day one. Techno is rock and roll too.
fuck that moby is not rock and roll. he is some nerdy bitch living in a plain ass apartment in nyc who has a ton of ittle idiosyncracies that he thinks sets him apart from all the other dumbass musicians so therefore he is above them. moby is not rock and roll.
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Now that's one thing i will disagree with ^^^
If i hadn't seen him live i would have probably agree with that, however when i saw him at Splendour (2day festival) back in July i was amazed at how he was able to mix his performance up. Using his words he performed a 30sec "punk rock thrash" track, also covered ACDC's 'Shook Me All Night Long' and Men At Work's 'Down Under' then performed a classical piece from Mozart. Moby roots definatly seem to be inspired by rock n roll, and i don't even normally like that sort of music.
To what i said before, i wasn't disagreeing with the origins of rock n roll but saying a genre is part of rock n roll is alot different from saying a genre is rock n roll
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They both have they're positives and negatives. No point in arguing.
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To what i said before, i wasn't disagreeing with the origins of rock n roll but saying a genre is part of rock n roll is alot different from saying a genre is rock n roll
Then what is Rock and Roll? A lot of people have bitched and moaned (not you necessarily) about hip hop not being rock and roll, but no one has even attempted to answer my question.
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If you look at Tupac for example, he is so different then any random rock dude. The way he thinks the way he acts, the cause for which he was fighting for. And most importantly the message he was spreading.
tupac= jim morrison
PLz explain why tupac is jim morrison.
He means that the way this description could be applied to 2Pac, it could just as easily be talking about Jim Morrison. In fact I'd say it describes Morrison far better than Shakur.
LOL,i wasnt describing 2pac, i was pointing out the difference between 2pac and any rock dude which could be jim morrison. And i wasnt giving actual examples.
the way 2pac thinks.....very similar to the way jim morisson thinks
the way 2pac acted.....VERY similar to the way jim morison acted
the cause he fighted for.....lol he was there
the messages 2pac tried to spread.......very similar to what jim morrison tried to do
another "rock dude" you can compare 2pac to, John Lennon!
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Freestyle rapping is Rock N Roll! GOT IT!!!!
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Is Spoken Poetry part of Rock N Roll too?
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Is Spoken Poetry part of Rock N Roll too?
It is, but only if singing poetry is rock and roll too. If not then no.
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what nigga you're broke, the fuck you gon tell me?
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what nigga you're broke, the fuck you gon tell me?
Just because something isn't just rock and roll doesn't mean it isn't rock and roll. Michael Jordan is a basketball player. He is also a Michael. A man. An American. Black. A Jordan. A father. etc.
So is Michael Jordan an american? Yes. Is he a basketball player? Yes. Is he only a father? No. Is he only anything? No.
Spoken poetry is a part of literature. Culture. English. French. Spanish. etc. Music. Plays. Musicals. Rock and Roll. etc.
Is poetry literature? Yes. Yes poetry Rock and Roll? Yes. Is it only Rock and Roll? No. Is it only anything? No.
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ima start calling fish and chips rock and roll...
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what nigga you're broke, the fuck you gon tell me?
Just because something isn't just rock and roll doesn't mean it isn't rock and roll. Michael Jordan is a basketball player. He is also a Michael. A man. An American. Black. A Jordan. A father. etc.
So is Michael Jordan an american? Yes. Is he a basketball player? Yes. Is he only a father? No. Is he only anything? No.
Spoken poetry is a part of literature. Culture. English. French. Spanish. etc. Music. Plays. Musicals. Rock and Roll. etc.
Is poetry literature? Yes. Yes poetry Rock and Roll? Yes. Is it only Rock and Roll? No. Is it only anything? No.
haha i love it, way to break it down
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ima start calling fish and chips rock and roll...
You're stupid if you think fish have anything to do with rock and roll. Chips on the other hand are the rebels of the potato world. They epitomize rock and roll.
Okay fine, I'm wrong. Tell me what Rock and Roll is. You can critisize and make jokes all you want but you haven't answered my question. The British music scene came out under the influence of Rock and Roll and The Blues, much like Hip Hop,but it was it's own sound and own movement, much like hip hop. It had it's own fashions, much like hip hop. It's own dances, much like hip hop. It had the Mods vs Rockers, much like East vs West. Why is the British Invasion music Rock and Roll and Hip Hop is not? and for the love of God, tell me what Rock and Roll is.