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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: vegaz on April 19, 2004, 08:39:58 AM
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Keep in mind that I'm a dre fan. The other day my homeboy and I were having a discussion on dr.dre's beats and somehow we got to talkin' about witch beats he did that we didn't care for much. I wanted to make this a poll but I could'nt think of enough shitty dre tracks right off the top of my head! most of dudes material is str8 fire! (and the shit he did pre-nwa with the wrecking crew dont count) we both agree'd that the setup is one of the weakest beats he ever did. What do yall think??
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'My Dad's Gone Crazy'
Wack.
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"Nas is Coming", this shoulda been awesome
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40 Glocc - Papa L'il Soldier
+ Nearly all of the stuff he did for the Firm.
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Nas Is Comingis probably the worst one of his I've heard.
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40 Glocc - Papa L'il Soldier
+ Nearly all of the stuff he did for the Firm.
I think the stuff 40 gloc got from Dre was more or less leftovers...
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Regardless! it was released and was complete shit.
KoDy.
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yea,, nas is coming was terrible, he should have laced him up good, like phone tap
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i don't care what anyone says i think almost every beat on that 'aftermath' compilation was horrible.
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i think if u take out his loosin your mind beat off man vs machine, dres beats on that xzibit album were kinda weak considerin the sick beats he bought on restless......but he was tryna work up his new thang then when it was jus beginnin was why it was kinda weak i think
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I agree with all yall pretty much BUT... I do gotta say I like nas is coming It has a real dark cinematic feel kind of a dramatic feel to it but I hated that shit when it first came out. I probably didnt feel that shit for about 5 years after it came out. most of the firm was garbage and most of his production on his first compilation was subpar except for blunt time and the track he did with mel man (shittin on the world.).
hit me with some more shitty dre tracks maybe I'll make
"worst of dr. dre mixtape".!!! ;D
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Been there done that
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i think if u take out his loosin your mind beat off man vs machine, dres beats on that xzibit album were kinda weak considerin the sick beats he bought on restless......but he was tryna work up his new thang then when it was jus beginnin was why it was kinda weak i think
LoL, Dre produced 2 tracks on there.. like that's enough reason to blame him for MVM.. it's pretty funny.
imo, the worst Dre-beats:
Nas is Coming
Some of the Firm beats, esp. the leftovers
Say What You Say <<-- Hard hitting, but I didn't like it
Ain't Nuttin' But Music <<-- Kinda cheesy
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=30148
^^ His C.V., for those who can't remember.
Gotta say, there's not much wackness at all on there..(http://forum.hardware.no/html/emoticons/no.gif)
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Eminem Feat. Dr. Dre - "Say What You Say"
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i thought em produced "nuthin but music" well it doesn't matter, that beat sounded too much like the real slim shady...i liked the nas is coming beat...and most of that aftermath comp was shit but i don't think he produced most of it though, that king-t track str8 gone was classic though...i thought say what you say was shitty, probably the most disappointing i've heard from him in a minute, peace.
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murder ink- 2001
dj quik & dr.dre- put it on me
5 minuites to flush- nature (maybe the worst ever?)
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even though five minutes to flush was a remake beat i thought the song was kinda tight altogether, peace.
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Put It On Me was a wicked dre beat....not only did it sound like something dat belonged on 2001 (and i wish to dis day dat it was on it) but it also sounded HELLA GOOD
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dj quik & dr.dre- put it on me
Ain't Nuttin' But Music
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hey yo ready to die wat did u think was so shitty about Put It On Me???????
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"Put It On Me"? "Ain't Nutthin But Music"? "Been There Done That"?
:P I love all those beats...
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"The Set Up" - other than that Dre hasnt really disapointed me.
You gotta give Dre a break for "Nas is Coming", look at the year. By the way - any of yall notice that Nas's verse is the same one Daz put out on "Dont Stop Original".
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hey yo ready to die wat did u think was so shitty about Put It On Me???????
cant really explain...sounds like an average scott storch beat without dre`s mixing it...and the female singer just annoys me
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hey yo ready to die wat did u think was so shitty about Put It On Me???????
cant really explain...sounds like an average scott storch beat without dre`s mixing it...and the female singer just annoys me
What does the singing have to do with the beat?
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I know alot of people will disagree with this choice but I always hated the beat he did for knocturnal called The knoc with missy on the chorus.
and for a change of pace I gotta say I'll kill you off of em's second joint was one of the sickest
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I dont know about my choice but I love Nas is coming have for ages
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'Choke me,spank me (pull my hair)'
Very weak beat,though I think the track itself is quite funny
BTW,I can't understand why people disliked Mimi on 'Put it on me'...damn,I love that chorus! 8)
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hey yo ready to die wat did u think was so shitty about Put It On Me???????
sounds like an average scott storch beat without dre`s mixing it
EXCELLENT!!! someone else is seeing that Scott Storch is tha man behind all of Dre's 2001 success as well as mel etc.
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shit I agree with that statement, but you catch alot of flack on this forum for saying shit like that . I'm surprized this thread didnt start a hate session as it is.
I really wasn't impressed with the beat he did for conway either. Seems like if your not on aftermath or if your not super hot your gonna get a dre leftover. Fuck all that I'd go get some heat from a lesser known producer before I'd pay dre for some bullshit ass track left over from one of j.j. fad's old sessions. ;D
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all the tracks he did for Eve is horrible, especially Satisfaction & Let Me Blow Ya Mind.... those two are definately the worst Dre beats ever IMO.
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'Choke me,spank me (pull my hair)'
Very weak beat,though I think the track itself is quite funny
BTW,I can't understand why people disliked Mimi on 'Put it on me'...damn,I love that chorus! 8)
word, mimi brukz up the chorus
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shit I agree with that statement, but you catch alot of flack on this forum for saying shit like that . I'm surprized this thread didnt start a hate session as it is.
I really wasn't impressed with the beat he did for conway either. Seems like if your not on aftermath or if your not super hot your gonna get a dre leftover. Fuck all that I'd go get some heat from a lesser known producer before I'd pay dre for some bullshit ass track left over from one of j.j. fad's old sessions. ;D
If you are talkin bout "Nutcracka" that was a (very big, might I add) mistake, that was NOT Dre's beat.
Umm I donno, My dad's gone crazy was weak but it wasn't really supposed to be a good beat like that either.
I never heard many of the beats from The Firm, but Phone Tap was hard.
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all the tracks he did for Eve is horrible, especially Satisfaction & Let Me Blow Ya Mind.... those two are definately the worst Dre beats ever IMO.
"Let Me Blow Ya Mind"?...I love that one too.
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There were a lot of weak Dre beats on Thy Kingdom Come. I can't really single one out in particular. They were all mediocre except for maybe 1 or 2.
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the beat he did for the rock group rolling stones was weak. I also hated that song he did for mary j blige.
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I hated that Knoc/Missy beat too :(
One of the few tracks he did I couldn't stand. Wasn't feelin that beat he did with ODB a while back either.
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damn, I never new ol d b worked with dre!
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Devin The Dude's "Yo Ho" sounds unfinished, (at least the version I have) It's got no bass. :-\
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"Nas Is Coming" and most of the Firm shit he did didn't really impress me. And the worst beat on a Dre album IMO is definitely "Bitch Niggaz", I always found that one boring
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even though five minutes to flush was a remake beat i thought the song was kinda tight altogether, peace.
What you people don't understand is there are way more "remake" "beats" by Dre than there aren't. First off when some one refers to "the beat" of the song they are almost always refering to the drums on the track, or atleast some time of percussion. If this is what you people mean than disregard my next paragraph.
Here is what Dr. Dre does to fool all his fans that believe him to be a musical genius, (better than Beethoven in one poster's eyes). He pays for the rights of the publishing of songs, usually older songs, and often songs from over seas. Then he gets his in house musicians to replay the notes with their instruments, thus eliminating the cost for sampling, and also keeping any credit to the original composer from being displayed. However those original composers still get payed for their work. (Timbaland des the exact same thing). Now when the music for Dr. Dre produced tracks is not "stolen" it is created by his in house musicians. Dre says he either likes it or he does not like it.
Dre has a very good ear when it comes to music, but very little talent when it comes to actually creating it. So when the post asks what was the worst Dre beat ever I say "he's never made one"
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that statement's prety blind sighted if u think about it logicly.
rap music has always really been about legal plagarisms, and so has near enough everything in life. Just because dre has taken a beat or tune from another media, remixed it with other things, added baselines played about on the piano & the drum machine etc, dosent mean he has never made a beat. you could go as far as saying drums have been played before, so mutha fukkers are just copying the first drummer dude or whatever.
anyway, in my opinion if you have a song, like it & think if i do this, that & the next thing then it's basicly your adaption of the song. and you can usually tell a dre beat, he always has his signature to it etc.
As i said at the begining, rap has always been aput plagarisms, the first dj's back in the 60s used to have they decks, play a popular tune at the time, add a baseline to it, have they breakdancer & an MC to rap along wit it.
Rap Producing has just evolved, and all this shiit people have about sueing because "oooh jujy, he copyed me" thats str8 bull shiit, too many rich mutha fukkers rely on the kurupt justice system, with pepl usin they name, i'm loosin bit of money & i wont be able to afford my gold plated toilete set this month...
anyway, dre it a prety good produces, he's had many years in the game, and is fo sure a guru type figure.
imo dj quikk is better tho lol, and i like alot of producers as much & more than dre.
but shiit, pepl should be happy they start trends, not pissed sumone copyed them...
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that statement's prety blind sighted if u think about it logicly.
rap music has always really been about legal plagarisms, and so has near enough everything in life. Just because dre has taken a beat or tune from another media, remixed it with other things, added baselines played about on the piano & the drum machine etc, dosent mean he has never made a beat. you could go as far as saying drums have been played before, so mutha fukkers are just copying the first drummer dude or whatever.
anyway, in my opinion if you have a song, like it & think if i do this, that & the next thing then it's basicly your adaption of the song. and you can usually tell a dre beat, he always has his signature to it etc.
As i said at the begining, rap has always been aput plagarisms, the first dj's back in the 60s used to have they decks, play a popular tune at the time, add a baseline to it, have they breakdancer & an MC to rap along wit it.
Rap Producing has just evolved, and all this shiit people have about sueing because "oooh jujy, he copyed me" thats str8 bull shiit, too many rich mutha fukkers rely on the kurupt justice system, with pepl usin they name, i'm loosin bit of money & i wont be able to afford my gold plated toilete set this month...
anyway, dre it a prety good produces, he's had many years in the game, and is fo sure a guru type figure.
imo dj quikk is better tho lol, and i like alot of producers as much & more than dre.
but shiit, pepl should be happy they start trends, not pissed sumone copyed them...
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I know what hip hop is and what was all about. You seem to have confused what I said. First off I did not say the drums were taken, I said the drums were the only thing that were not taken. Second it is usually the bass line the Dre takes along with the rest of the music from the song. Third I never said he steals them, he buys the rights to use them.
If you heard the originals of some of the tracks the Dre songs wre taken from like I have you would be amazed, and would realize that Dre's signature is just some one else's. I remember when Chronic 2001 came out on the internet amd i played it for a friend who hated the west coast, and i was trying to convince how great Dre was at creating music. Then my heard "The Next Episode" immediately he dropprd the ear phones, and took me back to his house. He played for me a track from 97 or 98 by some of his friends, and the beat was absolutely identical to "The Next Episode", you could tell the instruments sounded a little different, but that was due to his friend directly sampling the original while Dre had his musicians replay it. That was the day I gave up on rap almost entirely.
Listen to Em's "My Name Is" and then listen to Labi Siffre's "I Got The" at abut 2 min in and you'll see how much Dre adds to the song. (if you can't find the latter, ill send it to you.)
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all the tracks he did for Eve is horrible, especially Satisfaction & Let Me Blow Ya Mind.... those two are definately the worst Dre beats ever IMO.
"Let Me Blow Ya Mind"?...I love that one too.
Satisfaction was a dope beat too, it's on some old school shit.
the beat he did for the rock group rolling stones was weak. I also hated that song he did for mary j blige.
Both Family Affair and Not Today were both dope.
And S.G.V. is right about you peoplewith club songs. (Like Family Affair)
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I know what hip hop is and what was all about. You seem to have confused what I said. First off I did not say the drums were taken, I said the drums were the only thing that were not taken. Second it is usually the bass line the Dre takes along with the rest of the music from the song. Third I never said he steals them, he buys the rights to use them.
If you heard the originals of some of the tracks the Dre songs wre taken from like I have you would be amazed, and would realize that Dre's signature is just some one else's. I remember when Chronic 2001 came out on the internet amd i played it for a friend who hated the west coast, and i was trying to convince how great Dre was at creating music. Then my heard "The Next Episode" immediately he dropprd the ear phones, and took me back to his house. He played for me a track from 97 or 98 by some of his friends, and the beat was absolutely identical to "The Next Episode", you could tell the instruments sounded a little different, but that was due to his friend directly sampling the original while Dre had his musicians replay it. That was the day I gave up on rap almost entirely.
Listen to Em's "My Name Is" and then listen to Labi Siffre's "I Got The" at abut 2 min in and you'll see how much Dre adds to the song. (if you can't find the latter, ill send it to you.)
i have another example. try & listen to Roger/Zapp's "California Love" and then listen to the Dre & pac version. no differnce really! even dres intro lines are identical.
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I feel where yall are coming from but in dre's defense, is there really a difference in what he does compared to the way puff or kanye or any of these producers go about creating a beat? hip hops foundation was built on sampling. in my opinion dre's method earns him more credibility because at least he's got real musicians playing on the tracks when the other producers I mentioned drop a so called hot beat 9 times out of 10 it's just a sample so they HAVE to give the credit. with the issues you have to go through to sample tracks I don't blame him for doing this. remember the mess he went through with the truth hurts addictive?
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I feel where yall are coming from but in dre's defense, is there really a difference in what he does compared to the way puff or kanye or any of these producers go about creating a beat? hip hops foundation was built on sampling. in my opinion dre's method earns him more credibility because at least he's got real musicians playing on the tracks when the other producers I mentioned drop a so called hot beat 9 times out of 10 it's just a sample so they HAVE to give the credit. with the issues you have to go through to sample tracks I don't blame him for doing this. remember the mess he went through with the truth hurts addictive?
I by no means am trying to take away his credibility as a producer, I'm sure he's a fine producer he just isn't a music writer. People must understand that the role of the producer is not to create the musical accompaniment it is to guide the artist in making the best record he or she can.
The problem I have with every rap producer is when a song drops and I know it's sampled and someone on street won't shut up about what a sick beat this is and how that producer is a genius when any idiot can take a song loop the best part and let someone rap over it, and it will still be a sick beat. Hip Hop is and should always be about the lyrics, the background music's only purpose should be to bring life to those lyrics. We have a problem when the focus of hip hop is based around istrumentals created in the 70s, and no one even listens to the lyrics any more. Believe me it's going closer in that direction.
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Vegaz ya boy DJ Quik did Addictive...So he stole it
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but ultimately it was on aftermath so dre had to pay the price. Dre had some problems with some of the beats he did on eminem's 2nd C.D. I remember reading that on mtv.com a year or so ago. It does get on my nerves when people don't aknowlege the fact that some of todays hottest tracks are based around samples. It's actually one of my hobbies to collect the original samples that well known producers use for thier beats so I do understand where your coming from. I think dre uses this method not to discredit artists but for legal purposes. I also remember reading in vibe that dre can read music but I dont know if he can write it. All this is givig me an idea to do a mixtape with popular songs and the corresponding song that sampled it right after it.
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Dre didnt do addictive....Quik got the production credits for it read the booklet or check out the vault for the credits......i also heard quik gave dat beat to Truth for her birthday.........the only thing dre did was MIX it.....although i think he did do a remix cuz i hav another version dat says DREs Version or something....kinda sounds the same but theres sum SYNTH shit in it so u could tell dre made dat version........so jus so U 2 know DRE DID NOT PRODUCED ADDICTIVE
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Dre didnt do addictive....Quik got the production credits for it read the booklet or check out the vault for the credits......i also heard quik gave dat beat to Truth for her birthday.........
Dope birthday gift lol
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Muthaphucka'z Are Crazy If You Think "Nas Is Commin" Is The Worst Beat By Dr. Dre. I Think That And The Firm Shit Were Like The Begginin' On The Sound You Hear Today By Dre. Befor Nas Was Commin' It Was G Funk. Anyway The Worst Beat Dre Mad Was "The Set Up", The Real Slim Shady, My Name Is, And Guilty Conscince"
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nas is coming is not only a dope ass track, it also paved the way for east and west coast artists begin to collaborate and it was the first thing dre did after he bounced from death row records.
I never liked the murder was the case remix
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i think The Real Slim Shady is the worst...i used to like it but ive heard that shit so much!
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''The Knoc'' by Knoc-turn'al
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did any one else hate the murder was the case remix??? ???
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Been there done that
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been there done that did played out, but honestly thats one of my favorite beats of his. I got the instrumental and it's one of those beats I don't get tired of but I can do without the lyrics.
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Fight Music or Revelation.
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I think all the work he did on Get Rich Or Die Trying for 50 cent is highly over rated. My favorite songs on that disc are all done by lesser known, hungry producers.
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Ice cube's Hello
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mack 10 - hate in your eyes (think its called that)
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^Yeah i hate that song
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Of all the Dre beats I ever heard "The Setup" is the worse IMO. Plus Obie rappin' all non-schalant over it made it even worse. The remix was fire though.
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I thought hate in your eyez was an above average track but honestly mack 10 is such a sub par rapper that he instantly devalues any hot beat. I havent heard that man spit a hot verse since his debut album.
still hate the murder was the case remix................
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"True Lies" was a weak dre beat in my opinion
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pipe down was crappy in my ears but i still bump it cuz game is in it
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I'm goin with "Family Affair" by Mary J Blige. I've always hated that fucking song.
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Ice cube's Hello
What the FUCK?!?!?!?!? :o
I gotta say I didn't like The Knoc either though, just didn't remember it at first.
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that boring ass beat on "Some LA Niggaz" off Dre2001....Because of that song, Dre2001 is only a nearperfect album...IMO?
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'Some L.A. Niggaz' has a dope beat but it just might not be suited to a posse cut. It might have been better on a Dre solo track,for example.
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I'm goin with "Family Affair" by Mary J Blige. I've always hated that fucking song.
HELL YEAH!! That's one of the shittiest beats I've ever heard.
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in my opinion the song that keeps 2001 from bieng a classic is murder ink.
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"True Lies" was a weak dre beat in my opinion
true lies was my favorite song on the last meal
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did any one else hate the murder was the case remix??? ???
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Mayne, ONLY DR.DRE can have a "WORST OF" thread and get 74 replies and 1550 views.
Bow down to the king.
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^^^ LOL!
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lmao
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thats exactly what I was thinkin' 8)
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thats exactly what I was thinkin' 8)
unless you wouldnt have kept this thread alive with unnecessary posts, that prolly wont be the case.
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thats exactly what I was thinkin' 8)
unless you wouldnt have kept this thread alive with unnecessary posts, that prolly wont be the case.
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if thats not an unnecessary post I don't know what is, I'm just trying to keep it poppin on this forum shits been kinda slow on this bitch lately so If a topic is still valid and it was a hot topic I'll up that bitch. alot of good posts get pushed back because people wanna hit you off with exclusive audio of spice one snoring or news about which gang kurupt runs with this year...besides I don't really see you droppin the hot topics lately or coming with unique points of view or none of that shit. like I said I'm just tryin to keep it crackin' man....
peace 7even....
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