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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 20, 2013, 04:50:49 PM
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Track amazed me when it came out and still amazes me to this day. Just a brilliant track anyway you look at it, and the lyrics were so clever. Without searching for it or looking it up I would say it sounds a little like the shit RBX writes? But I don't think Dre was down with RBX at the time, in fact I think they were beefin? Whoever wrote that track for Dre is absolutely brilliant. Those metaphors destroy anything that niccaz on the East Coast were doin at the time, and that beat is a classic certified West Coast banger.
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I think J Flexx wrote it...I always thought the lyrics were a little corny and the beat was fire but to each his own
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"i use Crest, so aint no cavity creeps in my grill"
yes, that line shits on what Nas or Big L were writing at the time
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j flexx wrote it and it was not lyrically touchin' anything from the east at that time.
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J Flexx was a really talented writer. He also wrote "Lady Heroine", right? Any other classics he might of written?
"Lady Heroine" is another display of his talents as a writer. They kind of messed up with the version of the song that came out on Gridlocked, but that alternate version that's floating out there is fire.
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Fire? The lyrics are fuckin horrible. That astronaut line...ugh smh.
Thank God J-Flexx was gone before the 2001 album.
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
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Dre's best writers to me were Snoop, Eminem and Drauma.
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Come on now. Dr. Dre produced it ;)
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Come on now. Dr. Dre produced it ;)
If that's what you think, then so be it - the truth is Sam produced the OG version and sold it to Dre for 20k :)
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Come on now. Dr. Dre produced it ;)
If that's what you think, then so be it - the truth is Sam produced the OG version and sold it to Dre for 20k :)
There's a reason why i put the smiley in my post. Where did you read that Dre gave Sam Sneed 20k for the beat though?
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Come on now. Dr. Dre produced it ;)
If that's what you think, then so be it - the truth is Sam produced the OG version and sold it to Dre for 20k :)
There's a reason why i put the smiley in my post. Where did you read that Dre gave Sam Sneed 20k for the beat though?
I've heard it from a person close to Sam Sneed and his camp - he's a good source for all kinds of information regarding that whole Death Row timeline ;)
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"i use Crest, so aint no cavity creeps in my grill"
yes, that line shits on what Nas or Big L were writing at the time
Dre's metaphors are metaphives to Infinite
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j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
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j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
j flexx wrote natural born killers? never knew that
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Come on now. Dr. Dre produced it ;)
If that's what you think, then so be it - the truth is Sam produced the OG version and sold it to Dre for 20k :)
Yes and dre paid 100000000$ for daz beats on the chronic.
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j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
j flexx wrote natural born killers? never knew that
yup.
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"Keep their heads ringin" wasn't terrible lyrically, it just had some lines which were suspect and borderline corny, other than that I agree Flexx was a pretty good writer...
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"Keep their heads ringin" wasn't terrible lyrically, it just had some lines which were suspect and borderline corny, other than that I agree Flexx was a pretty good writer...
but the fact that the OP said it shits on east coast lyrics is what is funny here
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"Keep their heads ringin" wasn't terrible lyrically, it just had some lines which were suspect and borderline corny
Def a corny track. Dre is carried by the production and arrangement.
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"Keep their heads ringin" wasn't terrible lyrically, it just had some lines which were suspect and borderline corny
Def a corny track. Dre is carried by the production and arrangement.
lyrics are bordeline corny indeed. but it's not terrible, dre flows well on the track, overall a classic track.
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J-Flexx calls Dre out on this track about the tracks he wrote and did not get paid properly for...not sure how true it all is though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZurPxijp2yE
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"i use Crest, so aint no cavity creeps in my grill"
yes, that line shits on what Nas or Big L were writing at the time
Dre's metaphors are metaphives to Infinite
"Still, niggaz run up and try to kill at will
But get popped like a pimple, so call me Clearasil" ::)
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"i use Crest, so aint no cavity creeps in my grill"
yes, that line shits on what Nas or Big L were writing at the time
Dre's metaphors are metaphives to Infinite
"Still, niggaz run up and try to kill at will
But get popped like a pimple, so call me Clearasil" ::)
LYRICAL GENIUS!
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Ow this hurts! I've always considered it the best song ever written. And I feel like the reason Jay Z is on top is because he remade it time and time again. That's a blueprint for how to make a lyrical track a hit. Jay did that over and over and over. "I grab the mic/ and flick my tongue like dyke/ I got rhymes to keep you enchanted/ Produce a smoke screen with the funky green to keep your eyes slanted... Step on stage and get faded just like a flat top...I rock from summer 'til Santa comes down the chimney"...
Different school of thought I guess. Many songs sound like they borrow from here; punchline after punchline..Yeah some are almost corny but look at what Eminem gets praised for.
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"i use Crest, so aint no cavity creeps in my grill"
yes, that line shits on what Nas or Big L were writing at the time
John Cena beats' the hell out of the lot:
With no bait, kid your boy hold weight
I got my soul straight, I brush your mouth like Colgate
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J-Flexx calls Dre out on this track about the tracks he wrote and did not get paid properly for...not sure how true it all is though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZurPxijp2yE
8)
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Ow this hurts! I've always considered it the best song ever written. And I feel like the reason Jay Z is on top is because he remade it time and time again. That's a blueprint for how to make a lyrical track a hit. Jay did that over and over and over. "I grab the mic/ and flick my tongue like dyke/ I got rhymes to keep you enchanted/ Produce a smoke screen with the funky green to keep your eyes slanted... Step on stage and get faded just like a flat top...I rock from summer 'til Santa comes down the chimney"...
Different school of thought I guess. Many songs sound like they borrow from here; punchline after punchline..Yeah some are almost corny but look at what Eminem gets praised for.
best song ever written?
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Ow this hurts! I've always considered it the best song ever written. And I feel like the reason Jay Z is on top is because he remade it time and time again. That's a blueprint for how to make a lyrical track a hit. Jay did that over and over and over. "I grab the mic/ and flick my tongue like dyke/ I got rhymes to keep you enchanted/ Produce a smoke screen with the funky green to keep your eyes slanted... Step on stage and get faded just like a flat top...I rock from summer 'til Santa comes down the chimney"...
Different school of thought I guess. Many songs sound like they borrow from here; punchline after punchline..Yeah some are almost corny but look at what Eminem gets praised for.
best song ever written?
Even thinking that some of those punchlines are only ALMOST corny, "best song ever written" might be just a tad too over-enthusiastic.
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i like how dre keeps comparing himself to shit in this song colgate, mop n glow all kinds of shit lol
this song sounds kinda corny after not hearing it for so many years
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i like how dre keeps comparing himself to shit in this song colgate, mop n glow all kinds of shit lol
this song sounds kinda corny after not hearing it for so many years
It really does. Prime example of not standing the test of time. Ring ding dong, ring-a-ling ding ding dong! :D
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Dre's best writers to me were Snoop, Eminem and Drauma.
his best writers were The D.O.C and RBX....Snoop barely wrote for Dre, and sometimes not even for himself
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Come on now. Dr. Dre produced it ;)
If that's what you think, then so be it - the truth is Sam produced the OG version and sold it to Dre for 20k :)
lol please let me know when sam sneed makes a beat anywhere near as sonically mind-blowing as "keep their heads ringin"
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snoop wrote Deep Cover and Nothin But a G Thang
in fact Dre made Snoop record his verses for G Thang over 10 times
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other songs on that soundtrack sound ever doper now.
i heard LA zuu on that soundtrack for the first time the other day on a pair of beats mixrs and it sounded so fuckin hard. i was noticing all kinds of intricacies in the beat id never heard.
for some reason as a kid that isleys song was super corny on there i actually dig that record alot now.
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snoop wrote Deep Cover and Nothin But a G Thang
in fact Dre made Snoop record his verses for G Thang over 10 times
d.o.c wrote nothin but a g thang, but snoop did co-write it
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Come on now. Dr. Dre produced it ;)
If that's what you think, then so be it - the truth is Sam produced the OG version and sold it to Dre for 20k :)
lol please let me know when sam sneed makes a beat anywhere near as sonically mind-blowing as "keep their heads ringin"
he had the potential to do so back then he did natural born killas and gave it to dre.
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closet material prefers rappers who rhyme "cat" with "bat" and "hat" than people with complex rhyme structures
hence why he hates Crooked I and Eminem and loves T.I. and all these southern homo's
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closet material prefers rappers who rhyme "cat" with "bat" and "hat" than people with complex rhyme structures
hence why he hates Crooked I and Eminem and loves T.I. and all these southern homo's
bald wilson you don't know shit about what I love or hate. crooked I is wack and Eminem fell off.
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closet material prefers rappers who rhyme "cat" with "bat" and "hat" than people with complex rhyme structures
hence why he hates Crooked I and Eminem and loves T.I. and all these southern homo's
bald wilson you don't know shit about what I love or hate. crooked I is wack and Eminem fell off.
LOL someone has sand in her vag
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closet material prefers rappers who rhyme "cat" with "bat" and "hat" than people with complex rhyme structures
hence why he hates Crooked I and Eminem and loves T.I. and all these southern homo's
bald wilson you don't know shit about what I love or hate. crooked I is wack and Eminem fell off.
LOL someone has sand in her vag
I don't care if your mother has sand in her vag.
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closet material prefers rappers who rhyme "cat" with "bat" and "hat" than people with complex rhyme structures
hence why he hates Crooked I and Eminem and loves T.I. and all these southern homo's
bald wilson you don't know shit about what I love or hate. crooked I is wack and Eminem fell off.
LOL someone has sand in her vag
I don't care if your mother has sand in her vag.
Someone's back on his mom jokes again.
OGCM uses the movie ATL as porn.
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closet material prefers rappers who rhyme "cat" with "bat" and "hat" than people with complex rhyme structures
hence why he hates Crooked I and Eminem and loves T.I. and all these southern homo's
bald wilson you don't know shit about what I love or hate. crooked I is wack and Eminem fell off.
LOL someone has sand in her vag
I don't care if your mother has sand in her vag.
Someone's back on his mom jokes again.
OGCM uses the movie ATL as porn.
I only watch the porn I make wit your mother.
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Come on now. Dr. Dre produced it ;)
If that's what you think, then so be it - the truth is Sam produced the OG version and sold it to Dre for 20k :)
lol please let me know when sam sneed makes a beat anywhere near as sonically mind-blowing as "keep their heads ringin"
he had the potential to do so back then he did natural born killas and gave it to dre.
natural born killaz is a dre production...if dre never put his hands on it, it wouldnt slap nearly as hard. dre is a musical genius who does far more than put together melody rifts over drum loops.
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NBK was Sneed's first
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Come on now. Dr. Dre produced it ;)
If that's what you think, then so be it - the truth is Sam produced the OG version and sold it to Dre for 20k :)
lol please let me know when sam sneed makes a beat anywhere near as sonically mind-blowing as "keep their heads ringin"
he had the potential to do so back then he did natural born killas and gave it to dre.
natural born killaz is a dre production...if dre never put his hands on it, it wouldnt slap nearly as hard. dre is a musical genius who does far more than put together melody rifts over drum loops.
sam did it and even had a verse and hook to it dre took him off.
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closet material prefers rappers who rhyme "cat" with "bat" and "hat" than people with complex rhyme structures
hence why he hates Crooked I and Eminem and loves T.I. and all these southern homo's
bald wilson you don't know shit about what I love or hate. crooked I is wack and Eminem fell off.
LOL someone has sand in her vag
I don't care if your mother has sand in her vag.
Someone's back on his mom jokes again.
OGCM uses the movie ATL as porn.
I only watch the porn I make wit your mother.
Are the 3rd graders who ghost-write your "mom jokes" the same people who ghost write those wack lyrics for TI?
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Come on now. Dr. Dre produced it ;)
If that's what you think, then so be it - the truth is Sam produced the OG version and sold it to Dre for 20k :)
lol please let me know when sam sneed makes a beat anywhere near as sonically mind-blowing as "keep their heads ringin"
he had the potential to do so back then he did natural born killas and gave it to dre.
natural born killaz is a dre production...if dre never put his hands on it, it wouldnt slap nearly as hard. dre is a musical genius who does far more than put together melody rifts over drum loops.
sam did it and even had a verse and hook to it dre took him off.
sam co-produced it....dre took whatever sam did and brought it to life. thats what dre do.
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closet material prefers rappers who rhyme "cat" with "bat" and "hat" than people with complex rhyme structures
hence why he hates Crooked I and Eminem and loves T.I. and all these southern homo's
bald wilson you don't know shit about what I love or hate. crooked I is wack and Eminem fell off.
LOL someone has sand in her vag
I don't care if your mother has sand in her vag.
Someone's back on his mom jokes again.
OGCM uses the movie ATL as porn.
I only watch the porn I make wit your mother.
Are the 3rd graders who ghost-write your "mom jokes" the same people who ghost write those wack lyrics for TI?
no they're the same ones who cut your hair. LOL
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Says the guy who is too scared to post his own photograph. Your insecurity is undeniable.
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i want to see a picture of every nigga on here whos ever talked down on someone elses pic.
just so i can confirm in my head all of yall are every bit the candyasses i imagine yall to be.
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Says the guy who is too scared to post his own photograph. Your insecurity is undeniable.
don't hate me cause i'm beautiful. i'm what you'll never be bald wilson: great to look at.
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Says the guy who is too scared to post his own photograph. Your insecurity is undeniable.
don't hate me cause i'm beautiful. i'm what you'll never be bald wilson: great to look at.
LOL bragging online about your alleged good looks to other men is a sign of insecurity.
Sometimes it takes awhile to reply to your posts because it's so hard to process so much stupid all at once.
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Says the guy who is too scared to post his own photograph. Your insecurity is undeniable.
don't hate me cause i'm beautiful. i'm what you'll never be bald wilson: great to look at.
LOL bragging online about your alleged good looks to other men is a sign of insecurity.
Sometimes it takes awhile to reply to your posts because it's so hard to process so much stupid all at once.
so in that aspect men wantin' to see another men pictures is a sign of insecurity ? it takes you awhile because your brain don't register quick enough bald wilson.
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LOL Yes, I really want to see a picture of your ugly mug to compare myself to the Verizon janitor who cheerleaders for T.I. on weekends.
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j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
j flexx wrote natural born killers? never knew that
yup.
Sam produced natural born killers, it's nearly identical to u Better recognize from murder was the case
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Sneed really got hosed when at death row
probably just had no idea how much those songs were worth but Dre even screwed him over after by taking all of his workers to Aftermath and not inviting Sneed.
Dre is one of the most unloyal people in the industry....was even too busy to do a second album for Snoop.
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LOL Yes, I really want to see a picture of your ugly mug to compare myself to the Verizon janitor who cheerleaders for T.I. on weekends.
I laugh at your feeble attempts to gain my attention.
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LOL Yes, I really want to see a picture of your ugly mug to compare myself to the Verizon janitor who cheerleaders for T.I. on weekends.
I laugh at your feeble attempts to gain my attention.
yet you follow me around to every thread with Crooked I insults :laugh:
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j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
j flexx wrote natural born killers? never knew that
yup.
Sam produced natural born killers, it's nearly identical to u Better recognize from murder was the case
"natural born killaz" is a much more impressive beat, and thats cuz dre put his hands on it
wouldnt be surprised if dre touched up "u better recognize" as well
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Santa clause reference...
"cuz I rock from summer till Santa comes down the chimney
Ho ho ho and so
As I continue to flow
Cuz yo, I'm just a fly negro"
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LOL Yes, I really want to see a picture of your ugly mug to compare myself to the Verizon janitor who cheerleaders for T.I. on weekends.
I laugh at your feeble attempts to gain my attention.
yet you follow me around to every thread with Crooked I insults :laugh:
stop it.
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j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
j flexx wrote natural born killers? never knew that
yup.
Sam produced natural born killers, it's nearly identical to u Better recognize from murder was the case
"natural born killaz" is a much more impressive beat, and thats cuz dre put his hands on it
wouldnt be surprised if dre touched up "u better recognize" as well
I'm sure Dre touched up every beat on MWTC before it got released
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j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
j flexx wrote natural born killers? never knew that
yup.
Sam produced natural born killers, it's nearly identical to u Better recognize from murder was the case
"natural born killaz" is a much more impressive beat, and thats cuz dre put his hands on it
wouldnt be surprised if dre touched up "u better recognize" as well
He prob threw Sam a bone on UBR by doing the hook but leaving the beat OG...there's nothing fantastic about the beat but very obvious NBK was built on the same skeleton as that song.
I would guess on NBK, he added the female "yeah!" (which he also used on that single with knocturnal "bad intentions") and prob the most known part of the song which is on the intro and hook, that high pitched/raw sounding synth on the chorus. That one element of the song takes a song like UBR and transforms it into a classic like NBK. Dre has always been known to take beats, tweak seemingly simple things and then they became smash hits.
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Sam Sneed's "The Heist" sounded like "Natural Born Killaz" a lot.
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dre's sound was built around sam sneed at that time.
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dre's sound was built around sam sneed at that time.
Yeah, of course. It was Sam Sneed who MADE the "NBK" beat. Soopafly played keyboards on it though.
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Dre's best writers to me were Snoop, Eminem and Drauma.
his best writers were The D.O.C and RBX....Snoop barely wrote for Dre, and sometimes not even for himself
Snoop is credited for writing more than ten songs on the Chronic, including 5 he doesn't have a verse on, in comparison, RBX only wrote one song he doesn't have a verse on (Let Me Ride), and The D.O.C. co-wrote 4 songs overall. All in all, Snoop has written more for Dre than anybody else on The Chronic. I wouldn't say he's his best writer, but he definitely did more than "barely wrote" for Dre.
j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
j flexx wrote natural born killers? never knew that
yup.
Sam produced natural born killers, it's nearly identical to u Better recognize from murder was the case
"natural born killaz" is a much more impressive beat, and thats cuz dre put his hands on it
wouldnt be surprised if dre touched up "u better recognize" as well
I'm sure Dre touched up every beat on MWTC before it got released
that's pretty sure indeed, except tha relativez song, danny boy's song and the b-rezell song as well as the jodeci / dpg collabo which i'm sure devante did the bulk of the work. i'm pretty sure quik ghostproduced One More Day too. it doesn't sound like a Daz production except for the barebone beat which was re-used in one of the St Ides Snoop song and the recuring synth sound you can hear during the chorus at the end of the song.
either way Better Recognize is one of my favorite tracks off the soundtrack, shit sounds so hard and yet is so underrated, Sam Sneed spit a typical east coast lyrical rap and along with the production which fit perfectly the mood it came out very well
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bouli77 breaking it down 8)
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j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
j flexx wrote natural born killers? never knew that
yup.
Sam produced natural born killers, it's nearly identical to u Better recognize from murder was the case
"natural born killaz" is a much more impressive beat, and thats cuz dre put his hands on it
wouldnt be surprised if dre touched up "u better recognize" as well
He prob threw Sam a bone on UBR by doing the hook but leaving the beat OG...there's nothing fantastic about the beat but very obvious NBK was built on the same skeleton as that song.
I would guess on NBK, he added the female "yeah!" (which he also used on that single with knocturnal "bad intentions") and prob the most known part of the song which is on the intro and hook, that high pitched/raw sounding synth on the chorus. That one element of the song takes a song like UBR and transforms it into a classic like NBK. Dre has always been known to take beats, tweak seemingly simple things and then they became smash hits.
those "simple things" are actually not that simple at all...they're the hardest part of producing- bringing a beat to life, naturally having the feel for what goes where, how to build certain elements up, perfect lead into the chorus, what kick knocks the hardest with what bass, etc. etc. what dre does is produce. sam sneed makes beats. i can send one of my beat ideas to dre and he'd turn it into an instant classic...and at the end of the day, he gets the majority production credit, cuz he clearly made it what it is. thats the genius of dr. dre, tho.
on the flipside, dre has also produced a lot of beats and got no credit for it at all. works both ways. all that needs to be said is that dre is the greatest producer in hip-hop history, hands down.
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Dre's best writers to me were Snoop, Eminem and Drauma.
his best writers were The D.O.C and RBX....Snoop barely wrote for Dre, and sometimes not even for himself
Snoop is credited for writing more than ten songs on the Chronic, including 5 he doesn't have a verse on, in comparison, RBX only wrote one song he doesn't have a verse on (Let Me Ride), and The D.O.C. co-wrote 4 songs overall. All in all, Snoop has written more for Dre than anybody else on The Chronic. I wouldn't say he's his best writer, but he definitely did more than "barely wrote" for Dre.
j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
j flexx wrote natural born killers? never knew that
yup.
Sam produced natural born killers, it's nearly identical to u Better recognize from murder was the case
"natural born killaz" is a much more impressive beat, and thats cuz dre put his hands on it
wouldnt be surprised if dre touched up "u better recognize" as well
I'm sure Dre touched up every beat on MWTC before it got released
that's pretty sure indeed, except tha relativez song, danny boy's song and the b-rezell song as well as the jodeci / dpg collabo which i'm sure devante did the bulk of the work. i'm pretty sure quik ghostproduced One More Day too. it doesn't sound like a Daz production except for the barebone beat which was re-used in one of the St Ides Snoop song and the recuring synth sound you can hear during the chorus at the end of the song.
either way Better Recognize is one of my favorite tracks off the soundtrack, shit sounds so hard and yet is so underrated, Sam Sneed spit a typical east coast lyrical rap and along with the production which fit perfectly the mood it came out very well
oh, u dint know? DOC and RBX wrote a whole lot more than they were credited for....for instance, "nuthin but a g thang", DOC has went on record sayin he wrote the bulk of that cut.... yet, no mention of DOC in the credits. dont believe the hype. snoop is not much of a writer...he was writing, no doubt, but DOC and RBX was doin the majority of it.
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Dre's best writers to me were Snoop, Eminem and Drauma.
his best writers were The D.O.C and RBX....Snoop barely wrote for Dre, and sometimes not even for himself
Snoop is credited for writing more than ten songs on the Chronic, including 5 he doesn't have a verse on, in comparison, RBX only wrote one song he doesn't have a verse on (Let Me Ride), and The D.O.C. co-wrote 4 songs overall. All in all, Snoop has written more for Dre than anybody else on The Chronic. I wouldn't say he's his best writer, but he definitely did more than "barely wrote" for Dre.
j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
j flexx wrote natural born killers? never knew that
yup.
Sam produced natural born killers, it's nearly identical to u Better recognize from murder was the case
"natural born killaz" is a much more impressive beat, and thats cuz dre put his hands on it
wouldnt be surprised if dre touched up "u better recognize" as well
I'm sure Dre touched up every beat on MWTC before it got released
that's pretty sure indeed, except tha relativez song, danny boy's song and the b-rezell song as well as the jodeci / dpg collabo which i'm sure devante did the bulk of the work. i'm pretty sure quik ghostproduced One More Day too. it doesn't sound like a Daz production except for the barebone beat which was re-used in one of the St Ides Snoop song and the recuring synth sound you can hear during the chorus at the end of the song.
either way Better Recognize is one of my favorite tracks off the soundtrack, shit sounds so hard and yet is so underrated, Sam Sneed spit a typical east coast lyrical rap and along with the production which fit perfectly the mood it came out very well
oh, u dint know? DOC and RBX wrote a whole lot more than they were credited for....for instance, "nuthin but a g thang", DOC has went on record sayin he wrote the bulk of that cut.... yet, no mention of DOC in the credits. dont believe the hype. snoop is not much of a writer...he was writing, no doubt, but DOC and RBX was doin the majority of it.
Not so sure about that one. I remember reading a DOC interview that said quite the opposite. He said Snoop wrote Gthang & bright it to him and DOC basically edited it & told him this bar needs to be moved here, change this word to this, stop the verse here, things like that. Plus if you have a ear for the different styles you can pretty much hear who wrote what. DOC has that complex rhyme pattern shit. No way he wrote that simple shit (one, two, three, & to tha fo') plus it was filled with that new at the time long beach slang that Snoop & them were using. Same with Dre day, you can listen to Dre's verse and almost hear Snoop rapping, just a deeper voice. Now Let Me Ride, you hear the aggressiveness you can tell that's RBX. But none of those verses on any other song on the Chronic Thay Dre rapped on sound like that. If you a fan of DOC, listen to Rat-tat-tat-tat you can hear that's all him, sounds like most of Dre's verses on efil4zaggin (which was mostly written by the DOC). As for the Sam Sneed thing, as someone else said listen to Betta Recognize then listen to Natural Born Killas. You can tell Sneed had something to do with both (same type of sounds/instruments ) but the difference between the one Sam did on his own & the one with Dre is night and day. Recognize is dope but very simple & doesn't change up really. Natural Born Killas has the same type of sounds but listen to how layered and how much more attention to detail is present. Look how much doper the drums are and added live instrumentation is on there. Listening to the replay value between both. Thay my friends is the producer element Dr Dre adds, that ear!
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1. "Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang," Dr. Dre featuring Snoop
D.O.C: "When ''G' Thang' was created, I was living in Agoura Hills, and Snoop and Warren G were living with me. In 1990 me and Snoop each took the beat to different parts of the house to write. Snoop went upstairs, I stayed downstairs, and we met back up in an hour. When he came back downstairs I said, 'Let's take this piece and put it here...This doesn't really work there.' It's really just like a jigsaw [puzzle]. And then I said, 'For the last line [of Dre's verse], let's put my name on there,' because otherwise I wouldn't get to be in the song. That's why Dre says: Like my nigga D.O.C./ No one can do it better."
they both wrote different parts, but D.O.C was clearly the overseer of what was being written and what went where. as a matter of fact, he was pretty much the dre of writing on that project.
money to the second part of ur post.
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wait a minute...1990?? dre was still in NWA then
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wait a minute...1990?? dre was still in NWA then
d.o.c. got the year mixed up they didn't start on the chronic until '92.
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Dre is pitiful. He can't even write his own diss. He can't make his own beat. This guy can make only good mix.
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Dre is pitiful. He can't even write his own diss. He can't make his own beat. This guy can make only good mix.
lol
and all phil jackson did was sit back and watch the players go to work
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Dre was like a coach, but this isn't team has gained fame and money.
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Dre was like a coach, but this isn't team has gained fame and money.
did that sentence really make sense to u?
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Yes.
Dre made sextuple platinum because of his team. He should get respect like he got if he did it yourself.
He is dope because of his people. He was like a DJ.
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Yes.
Dre made sextuple platinum because of his team. He should get respect like he got if he did it yourself.
He is dope because of his people. He was like a DJ.
more like an orchestrator, director, head coach, the general ....the top, the leader, the one every1 goes to.
the underrating dre gets by some of the cats here is not only embarrassing + speaks volumes on general lack of their musical knowledge, but it's approaching blasphemous. put it this way, if it wasnt for dre's genius, u wouldnt be posting here...that is all.
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speaks volumes on general lack of their musical knowledge
Ice Cube somehow could made dope music without SO MUCH help. And exactly the same case with many other artist.
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speaks volumes on general lack of their musical knowledge
Ice Cube somehow could made dope music without SO MUCH help. And exactly the same case with many other artist.
ice cube is great in his own right...but none of em would be where they are witout dre.
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Ow this hurts! I've always considered it the best song ever written. And I feel like the reason Jay Z is on top is because he remade it time and time again. That's a blueprint for how to make a lyrical track a hit. Jay did that over and over and over. "I grab the mic/ and flick my tongue like dyke/ I got rhymes to keep you enchanted/ Produce a smoke screen with the funky green to keep your eyes slanted... Step on stage and get faded just like a flat top...I rock from summer 'til Santa comes down the chimney"...
Different school of thought I guess. Many songs sound like they borrow from here; punchline after punchline..Yeah some are almost corny but look at what Eminem gets praised for.
best song ever written?
Even thinking that some of those punchlines are only ALMOST corny, "best song ever written" might be just a tad too over-enthusiastic.
I concede some points. But to me it was the blueprint for a lyrical commercial song. Dre did a song for Nas called "Nas Is Coming" and it is similar in my opinion because you had the best lyricist and the best producer both bringing new levels of creativity. So, that's my argument but that wasn't likely gonna be a hit single. Jay Z's City Is Mine reminded me of this. It's like punchline 101 when you were used to that hardcore straight talk of Westcoast rap at the time. It helped make East coast rap more appealing for me. And I believe Jay simplified punchlines to where they could be accessible to all; even if they weren't strictly hip hop heads. It's an observation; an opinion. Some songs have better lyrics, or better beats, but you know. I like Respect by Dogg Pound too
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1. "Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang," Dr. Dre featuring Snoop
D.O.C: "When ''G' Thang' was created, I was living in Agoura Hills, and Snoop and Warren G were living with me. In 1990 me and Snoop each took the beat to different parts of the house to write. Snoop went upstairs, I stayed downstairs, and we met back up in an hour. When he came back downstairs I said, 'Let's take this piece and put it here...This doesn't really work there.' It's really just like a jigsaw [puzzle]. And then I said, 'For the last line [of Dre's verse], let's put my name on there,' because otherwise I wouldn't get to be in the song. That's why Dre says: Like my nigga D.O.C./ No one can do it better."
they both wrote different parts, but D.O.C was clearly the overseer of what was being written and what went where. as a matter of fact, he was pretty much the dre of writing on that project.
money to the second part of ur post.
agreed with the overseer part that doesn't mean he did the bulk of the work on G-Thang though cause at the end of the day Snoop still did the majority of the writing, D.O.C. was here to coach him and give him directions, so he's like a producer in his own right but in terms of quantity Snoop has done more than "barely wrte" for Dre as u said it before.
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Ow this hurts! I've always considered it the best song ever written. And I feel like the reason Jay Z is on top is because he remade it time and time again. That's a blueprint for how to make a lyrical track a hit. Jay did that over and over and over. "I grab the mic/ and flick my tongue like dyke/ I got rhymes to keep you enchanted/ Produce a smoke screen with the funky green to keep your eyes slanted... Step on stage and get faded just like a flat top...I rock from summer 'til Santa comes down the chimney"...
Different school of thought I guess. Many songs sound like they borrow from here; punchline after punchline..Yeah some are almost corny but look at what Eminem gets praised for.
best song ever written?
Even thinking that some of those punchlines are only ALMOST corny, "best song ever written" might be just a tad too over-enthusiastic.
I concede some points. But to me it was the blueprint for a lyrical commercial song. Dre did a song for Nas called "Nas Is Coming" and it is similar in my opinion because you had the best lyricist and the best producer both bringing new levels of creativity. So, that's my argument but that wasn't likely gonna be a hit single. Jay Z's City Is Mine reminded me of this. It's like punchline 101 when you were used to that hardcore straight talk of Westcoast rap at the time. It helped make East coast rap more appealing for me. And I believe Jay simplified punchlines to where they could be accessible to all; even if they weren't strictly hip hop heads. It's an observation; an opinion. Some songs have better lyrics, or better beats, but you know. I like Respect by Dogg Pound too
I thought "Nas is Coming" was very underwhelming and probably the only track I don't like from that album...sometimes these collabos look good on paper but don't turn out as planned
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speaks volumes on general lack of their musical knowledge
Ice Cube somehow could made dope music without SO MUCH help. And exactly the same case with many other artist.
ice cube is great in his own right...but none of em would be where they are witout eazy.
fixed.
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speaks volumes on general lack of their musical knowledge
Ice Cube somehow could made dope music without SO MUCH help. And exactly the same case with many other artist.
ice cube is great in his own right...but none of em would be where they are witout eazy.
fixed.
it all goes back to Dre being a producer who was years ahead of everyone else in the rap game
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speaks volumes on general lack of their musical knowledge
Ice Cube somehow could made dope music without SO MUCH help. And exactly the same case with many other artist.
ice cube is great in his own right...but none of em would be where they are witout eazy.
fixed.
it all goes back to Dre being a producer who was years ahead of everyone else in the rap game
Truth
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1. "Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang," Dr. Dre featuring Snoop
D.O.C: "When ''G' Thang' was created, I was living in Agoura Hills, and Snoop and Warren G were living with me. In 1990 me and Snoop each took the beat to different parts of the house to write. Snoop went upstairs, I stayed downstairs, and we met back up in an hour. When he came back downstairs I said, 'Let's take this piece and put it here...This doesn't really work there.' It's really just like a jigsaw [puzzle]. And then I said, 'For the last line [of Dre's verse], let's put my name on there,' because otherwise I wouldn't get to be in the song. That's why Dre says: Like my nigga D.O.C./ No one can do it better."
they both wrote different parts, but D.O.C was clearly the overseer of what was being written and what went where. as a matter of fact, he was pretty much the dre of writing on that project.
money to the second part of ur post.
agreed with the overseer part that doesn't mean he did the bulk of the work on G-Thang though cause at the end of the day Snoop still did the majority of the writing, D.O.C. was here to coach him and give him directions, so he's like a producer in his own right but in terms of quantity Snoop has done more than "barely wrte" for Dre as u said it before.
wait, where did u get that "snoop did a majority of the writing for g-thang" from? cuz according to d.o,c, snoop went upstairs with the beat, d.o.c stayed downstairs with the beat, and they both began writing...they met back up after an hour of writing, and D.O.C decided what goes where and how to structure the rhymes.....according to his account, it sounds to me like a d.o.c did a bulk of the writing. but i guess ur goin wit the reliable death row credits :laugh:
d.o.c is much more of a writer than snoop, and we all know this...snoop wrote for dre, but not nearly as much as the other ghost-writers. it's common sense. how much do u really think snoop wrote for dre if he was using ghost-writers for himself? what u think d.o.c was doin the whole time when they were workin on the album? GHOST-writing....theres a reason they gave it that name.
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speaks volumes on general lack of their musical knowledge
Ice Cube somehow could made dope music without SO MUCH help. And exactly the same case with many other artist.
ice cube is great in his own right...but none of em would be where they are witout eazy.
fixed.
it all goes back to Dre being a producer who was years ahead of everyone else in the rap game
money...even eazy can credit dre for his success. initially, eazy was just a business-man who didnt even wanna get involved in the musical aspect of it. dre was the musical genius who put it all together.
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Yeah.. and that's why J-Flexx and Sam Sneed were able to accomplish so much once they got out of Dre's shadow. Guess Dre was keepin them down all those years ;)
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j flex wrote some dope shit for dre though like: California love, been there done that, natural born killas. damn I miss those old death row days. 8)
thanks for the info... damn.. J Flexx was really bringing heat for Dre
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Yeah.. and that's why J-Flexx and Sam Sneed were able to accomplish so much once they got out of Dre's shadow. Guess Dre was keepin them down all those years ;)
oh, u dint know? dre did absolutely nothing...it woulda been just as big a hit with just sam sneed and j-flexx
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what dre needs to do to make these guys understand is set them in a room and sit across the room from them...stare at them for about 30 seconds silently with out blinking. then quietly turn to them and say. "listen as long as your in this studio you are my bitch...any sound you make during the duration of your stay here today will not escape the vacuum of dres vaults unless me or iovene say so. if you break the code that we have set forth you will be black balled and never make another dollar in the music industry....now, with that said do you still want to go into this room and do these tracks nigga?" bark on them niggas on some alpha male shit.
(http://grandgood.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/112007_dre.jpg)
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what dre needs to do to make these guys understand is set them in a room and sit across the room from them...stare at them for about 30 seconds silently with out blinking. then quietly turn to them and say. "listen as long as your in this studio you are my bitch...any sound you make during the duration of your stay here today will not escape the vacuum of dres vaults unless me or iovene say so. if you break the code that we have set forth you will be black balled and never make another dollar in the music industry....now, with that said do you still want to go into this room and do these tracks nigga?" bark on them niggas on some alpha male shit.
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funny thing is, thats what cats like okka and mietek really think
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It's the D-R-E the spectacular
In a party I go for your neck, so call me "Blacula"
More than a Stealth bomber, I cause drama
The enforcer, music floats like a flying saucer
When I rock the spot with the flavor I got
I get plenty of ass, so call me an ass-tronaut
As I blast past another nigga's ass that thought he was strong
But I smoke him like grass, just like Cheech and Chong
Many tried to, but just can't rock with
I'm 6-1, 225: pure chocolate
Pure lyricism at it's finest.
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it should really be like that!
these dudes like bishop lamont get to thinking there more pivitol to the movement then they really are and wanna start releasing their own singles and shit and get left in career purgatory for shit like that.
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Basically, J. Flexx wrote the lyrics, Sam Sneed produced the beat and sold it to Dre for 20000$, so he can tweak it a little bit, mix it and go platinum plus :)
Yeah.. and that's why J-Flexx and Sam Sneed were able to accomplish so much once they got out of Dre's shadow. Guess Dre was keepin them down all those years ;)
oh, u dint know? dre did absolutely nothing...it woulda been just as big a hit with just sam sneed and j-flexx
No doubt... Dre pretty much owes his career to guys like J-Flexx. J-Flexx has went on to become a household name, while Dre hasn't amounted to shit since he left J-Flexx side to form the now defunct Aftermath label.
As for Sam Sneed he has gone on to sell dozens of albums through the mega-label Wide Awake.
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I dont know what to believe when it comes to this but i will say one thing. There are a hell of a lot more people saying Dre
did not make beats then people saying he did.
I hear that for a lot of tracks Dre laid the drum beat down and the session musicians or other producers like Daz etc
would make music around it then Dre would mix and arrange it....now to me that's not a producer. The producer writes
the music. Not just a drum beat and then some arrangement.
Its funny how his early stuff sounded a lot like Daz's stuff and his later stuff sounded like Scott Storch and them. Nowdays he
does not seem to be working with any hot producers and his beats are not very good. People say that when Dre drops
new albums he is re-inventing his sound....now is that right or is he really just taking stuff from a new batch of producers?
Like i say, i dont know what really goes on for sure so im not taking anything away from Dre at all, he is a talent, even if it
is just the way he makes the final product sound even if he did not actually write the music or produce it
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I dont know what to believe when it comes to this but i will say one thing. There are a hell of a lot more people saying Dre
did not make beats then people saying he did.
I hear that for a lot of tracks Dre laid the drum beat down and the session musicians or other producers like Daz etc
would make music around it then Dre would mix and arrange it....now to me that's not a producer. The producer writes
the music. Not just a drum beat and then some arrangement.
Its funny how his early stuff sounded a lot like Daz's stuff and his later stuff sounded like Scott Storch and them. Nowdays he
does not seem to be working with any hot producers and his beats are not very good. People say that when Dre drops
new albums he is re-inventing his sound....now is that right or is he really just taking stuff from a new batch of producers?
Like i say, i dont know what really goes on for sure so im not taking anything away from Dre at all, he is a talent, even if it
is just the way he makes the final product sound even if he did not actually write the music or produce it
Producing does not mean u have to physically sit there and make the beats, it's the ear behind it all... Like he could hum a note and have a live piano player play it and arrange it however his genius sees fit .. If that piano player is an idiot and doesn't know the definition of producer, hell be under the impression that he deserves production credit. .. Go figure the rest
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The Producer in Hip Hop is typically thought of as the person who makes the beat. But, when you look at say the Phil Spector, Quincy Jones and the like, they were orchestrating the musicians around them to create a sound, directing the vocalist to sing a certain way, etc. That is what Dre is doing. He's a Producer in a traditional sense of the term, not a beat maker.
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It's the D-R-E the spectacular
In a party I go for your neck, so call me "Blacula"
More than a Stealth bomber, I cause drama
The enforcer, music floats like a flying saucer
When I rock the spot with the flavor I got
I get plenty of ass, so call me an ass-tronaut
As I blast past another nigga's ass that thought he was strong
But I smoke him like grass, just like Cheech and Chong
Many tried to, but just can't rock with
I'm 6-1, 225: pure chocolate
Pure lyricism at it's finest.
some of those lines are just embarrasing
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The Producer in Hip Hop is typically thought of as the person who makes the beat. But, when you look at say the Phil Spector, Quincy Jones and the like, they were orchestrating the musicians around them to create a sound, directing the vocalist to sing a certain way, etc. That is what Dre is doing. He's a Producer in a traditional sense of the term, not a beat maker.
This
The modern idea of a producer is what killed creativity for the music - expecting one 'big name' to do everything on his set up instead of a collaborative process with musicians, DJs and samples.
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The Producer in Hip Hop is typically thought of as the person who makes the beat. But, when you look at say the Phil Spector, Quincy Jones and the like, they were orchestrating the musicians around them to create a sound, directing the vocalist to sing a certain way, etc. That is what Dre is doing. He's a Producer in a traditional sense of the term, not a beat maker.
This
The modern idea of a producer is what killed creativity for the music - expecting one 'big name' to do everything on his set up instead of a collaborative process with musicians, DJs and samples.
that was actually a very insightful post willy, good one.
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The Producer in Hip Hop is typically thought of as the person who makes the beat. But, when you look at say the Phil Spector, Quincy Jones and the like, they were orchestrating the musicians around them to create a sound, directing the vocalist to sing a certain way, etc. That is what Dre is doing. He's a Producer in a traditional sense of the term, not a beat maker.
E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.
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1. "Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang," Dr. Dre featuring Snoop
D.O.C: "When ''G' Thang' was created, I was living in Agoura Hills, and Snoop and Warren G were living with me. In 1990 me and Snoop each took the beat to different parts of the house to write. Snoop went upstairs, I stayed downstairs, and we met back up in an hour. When he came back downstairs I said, 'Let's take this piece and put it here...This doesn't really work there.' It's really just like a jigsaw [puzzle]. And then I said, 'For the last line [of Dre's verse], let's put my name on there,' because otherwise I wouldn't get to be in the song. That's why Dre says: Like my nigga D.O.C./ No one can do it better."
they both wrote different parts, but D.O.C was clearly the overseer of what was being written and what went where. as a matter of fact, he was pretty much the dre of writing on that project.
money to the second part of ur post.
agreed with the overseer part that doesn't mean he did the bulk of the work on G-Thang though cause at the end of the day Snoop still did the majority of the writing, D.O.C. was here to coach him and give him directions, so he's like a producer in his own right but in terms of quantity Snoop has done more than "barely wrte" for Dre as u said it before.
wait, where did u get that "snoop did a majority of the writing for g-thang" from? cuz according to d.o,c, snoop went upstairs with the beat, d.o.c stayed downstairs with the beat, and they both began writing...they met back up after an hour of writing, and D.O.C decided what goes where and how to structure the rhymes.....according to his account, it sounds to me like a d.o.c did a bulk of the writing. but i guess ur goin wit the reliable death row credits :laugh:
d.o.c is much more of a writer than snoop, and we all know this...snoop wrote for dre, but not nearly as much as the other ghost-writers. it's common sense. how much do u really think snoop wrote for dre if he was using ghost-writers for himself? what u think d.o.c was doin the whole time when they were workin on the album? GHOST-writing....theres a reason they gave it that name.
i'm not saying D.O.C. didn't do more than what he's credited for (afterall he's the archetype of a ghostwriter), i'm just sayin' Snoop at the time did a little bit more than "barely write" for Dre. regardless of whether he had to use writers for himself later on, Dre is all about capturing the energy of the moment, and that's what he did with The Chronic, Snoop was on a rhyming spree at the time (I remember a Big Hutch interview with dubcnn where he said at the time Snoop would bust crazy freestyles like that out of nowhere when he was developing him before Dre really got involved), his style was innovative (didn't stay for long as he quickly went out of ideas and things to say) and everybody was jocking him, so it's not foolish to think that he wrote a lot for Dre for the Chronic, and that the lyrics were later rearranged here and there by D.O.C. who has always been Snoop's mentor. if you think about it, Snoop's lyrics nowadays are corny and outdated, but when it came out it sounded fresh as hell.. now i never said D.O.C. wasn't much more of a writer than Snoop, cause D.O.C. is a pure songwriter and skilled lyricist whereas Snoop is like a freestyler more or less who quickly ran out of things to say after his first album, but on The Chronic in particular, Snoop wrote a lot, and this time I believe the credits in that case, why would they credit Snoop, who was a no name at the time, over anyone else in the group ? it's not like he was in a position of power or anything.
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1. "Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang," Dr. Dre featuring Snoop
D.O.C: "When ''G' Thang' was created, I was living in Agoura Hills, and Snoop and Warren G were living with me. In 1990 me and Snoop each took the beat to different parts of the house to write. Snoop went upstairs, I stayed downstairs, and we met back up in an hour. When he came back downstairs I said, 'Let's take this piece and put it here...This doesn't really work there.' It's really just like a jigsaw [puzzle]. And then I said, 'For the last line [of Dre's verse], let's put my name on there,' because otherwise I wouldn't get to be in the song. That's why Dre says: Like my nigga D.O.C./ No one can do it better."
they both wrote different parts, but D.O.C was clearly the overseer of what was being written and what went where. as a matter of fact, he was pretty much the dre of writing on that project.
money to the second part of ur post.
agreed with the overseer part that doesn't mean he did the bulk of the work on G-Thang though cause at the end of the day Snoop still did the majority of the writing, D.O.C. was here to coach him and give him directions, so he's like a producer in his own right but in terms of quantity Snoop has done more than "barely wrte" for Dre as u said it before.
wait, where did u get that "snoop did a majority of the writing for g-thang" from? cuz according to d.o,c, snoop went upstairs with the beat, d.o.c stayed downstairs with the beat, and they both began writing...they met back up after an hour of writing, and D.O.C decided what goes where and how to structure the rhymes.....according to his account, it sounds to me like a d.o.c did a bulk of the writing. but i guess ur goin wit the reliable death row credits :laugh:
d.o.c is much more of a writer than snoop, and we all know this...snoop wrote for dre, but not nearly as much as the other ghost-writers. it's common sense. how much do u really think snoop wrote for dre if he was using ghost-writers for himself? what u think d.o.c was doin the whole time when they were workin on the album? GHOST-writing....theres a reason they gave it that name.
i'm not saying D.O.C. didn't do more than what he's credited for (afterall he's the archetype of a ghostwriter), i'm just sayin' Snoop at the time did a little bit more than "barely write" for Dre. regardless of whether he had to use writers for himself later on, Dre is all about capturing the energy of the moment, and that's what he did with The Chronic, Snoop was on a rhyming spree at the time (I remember a Big Hutch interview with dubcnn where he said at the time Snoop would bust crazy freestyles like that out of nowhere when he was developing him before Dre really got involved), his style was innovative (didn't stay for long as he quickly went out of ideas and things to say) and everybody was jocking him, so it's not foolish to think that he wrote a lot for Dre for the Chronic, and that the lyrics were later rearranged here and there by D.O.C. who has always been Snoop's mentor. if you think about it, Snoop's lyrics nowadays are corny and outdated, but when it came out it sounded fresh as hell.. now i never said D.O.C. wasn't much more of a writer than Snoop, cause D.O.C. is a pure songwriter and skilled lyricist whereas Snoop is like a freestyler more or less who quickly ran out of things to say after his first album, but on The Chronic in particular, Snoop wrote a lot, and this time I believe the credits in that case, why would they credit Snoop, who was a no name at the time, over anyone else in the group ? it's not like he was in a position of power or anything.
why not believe the credits? because it says RBX only wrote one song and didnt credit DOC on songs we know he wrote or at least co-wrote.....thats why
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The Producer in Hip Hop is typically thought of as the person who makes the beat. But, when you look at say the Phil Spector, Quincy Jones and the like, they were orchestrating the musicians around them to create a sound, directing the vocalist to sing a certain way, etc. That is what Dre is doing. He's a Producer in a traditional sense of the term, not a beat maker.
and thats 893489427389743 times harder and takes a whole lot more work and energy than simply putting together a hard-hitting drum loop and comin up with a nice melody to layer over it, which what most "producers" in hip-hop are limited to nowadays...any hip-hop head wit fruity loops can do that shit. what dre does is wayyy more impressive, on a whole nother level.
but dont tell some of the cats who post here that :grumpy:
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So weird, this shit gets debated over and over again.
The Producer in Hip Hop is typically thought of as the person who makes the beat. But, when you look at say the Phil Spector, Quincy Jones and the like, they were orchestrating the musicians around them to create a sound, directing the vocalist to sing a certain way, etc. That is what Dre is doing. He's a Producer in a traditional sense of the term, not a beat maker.
Money. It's why Daz and a lot of Death Row's producers didn't do shit once Dre left. All these producers spent 1996-1999 talking about how they really produced the Chronic, or other Dre beats, but never once did they make shit that sounded as good. Dre switched up his style in 2001 and it was BETTER than his Death Row shit. Some dudes wanted credit just because they found a sample that Dre used. But they didn't actually produced the track.
As for the lyrics. From what it looked like, Snoop would write and DOC would coach and critic him and offer him suggestions. This was not unheard of, it was only after the mid-90's where everyone moved into the whole, "you ain't real unless you write everything yourself." This was in response to the Wu Tang Clan, or Nas, or Biggie, or 2Pac. But 2Pac use to coach the Outlawz on their lyrics, and Snoop said him, Daz and Kurupt use to compare lyrics all the time and borrow from each other. It's nothing new, and I'd argue that since rap artist stop collaborating on lyrics with their crew members, there has been a huge drop in quality.
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funny thing is, thats what cats like okka and mietek really think
Did I said something like that?
I've said Sam Sneed made the OG beat, Dre liked it and wanted to buy - Sam agreed to sell it for 20k and Dre redone the beat into "Keep Your Hands Ringin", that's it.
I don't create conspiracy theories - everyone know's ghostwriting and ghostproducing was a common thing on Death Row. Soopafly was making beats for Daz, Kurupt was writing stuff for other rappers, etc. They all created something special WITH Dre overseeing everything.
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you shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.
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you shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.
EXACTLY
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINED
COMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME.
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funny thing is, thats what cats like okka and mietek really think
Did I said something like that?
I've said Sam Sneed made the OG beat, Dre liked it and wanted to buy - Sam agreed to sell it for 20k and Dre redone the beat into "Keep Your Hands Ringin", that's it.
I don't create conspiracy theories - everyone know's ghostwriting and ghostproducing was a common thing on Death Row. Soopafly was making beats for Daz, Kurupt was writing stuff for other rappers, etc. They all created something special WITH Dre overseeing everything.
maybe i was confusing u with some of the other cats on here who claim dre doesnt produce a lot of the shit he gets credit for, my bad
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you shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.
EXACTLY
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINED
COMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME.
So if it so easy why Dre not do it yourself? That's the point. These producers and ghotswriters did most of the work. Dre just smoke weed and has good ear. But they have a talent. U can't make dope beat or write lyrics if u ain't got that. Lot of producers making beat from the scratch. And they deserve to the respect. Storch played piano in "Still Dre" and that's what everybody loved in this beat.
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you shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.
EXACTLY
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINED
COMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME.
So if it so easy why Dre not do it yourself? That's the point. These producers and ghotswriters did most of the work. Dre just smoke weed and has good ear. But they have a talent. U can't make dope beat or write lyrics if u ain't got that. Lot of producers making beat from the scratch. And they deserve to the respect. Storch played piano in "Still Dre" and that's what everybody loved in this beat.
Storch will be the first to tell you, he played what Dre wanted him to play. Storch has had a ton of hits, but not at the level of Dre. Dre is a perfectionist and he does put in the work to make it sound perfect. All these other dudes do get credit, Daz was given credit for the whole Dogg Food album, Mel Man was given credit for half of 2001. But neither has repeated that kind of success on their own.
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you shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.
EXACTLY
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINED
COMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME.
So if it so easy why Dre not do it yourself? That's the point. These producers and ghotswriters did most of the work. Dre just smoke weed and has good ear. But they have a talent. U can't make dope beat or write lyrics if u ain't got that. Lot of producers making beat from the scratch. And they deserve to the respect. Storch played piano in "Still Dre" and that's what everybody loved in this beat.
Because having a team of musicians around u to lead is the best way to go
Common sense, really
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you shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.
EXACTLY
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINED
COMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME.
So if it so easy why Dre not do it yourself? That's the point. These producers and ghotswriters did most of the work. Dre just smoke weed and has good ear. But they have a talent. U can't make dope beat or write lyrics if u ain't got that. Lot of producers making beat from the scratch. And they deserve to the respect. Storch played piano in "Still Dre" and that's what everybody loved in this beat.
I have to agree with this. Im sorry but its easy to sit with a producer and tell them what you want to hear or what you want something to
sound like, anybody with any musical knowledge or any idea on arrangement, synthesis, chord structures etc can do that.
Yes its true that none of Dre's producers got as big as Dre did but why is that? Dre was a household name and was already classed as a super
producer since in the late 80's so of course he is going to be bigger then everybody else....he could fart into a microphone and release it as
a single and people will claim its the best sound since "2001"
But i suppose because we have a different point of view then it means we dont know im talking about right??
Dre has a really good ear for good music but without a whole bunch of other guys making music then he would have nothing but a drum beat. Dre is not
a production genius, he is a arrangement genius, although i would not really call him a genius....making hip hop beats is hardly rocket science is it?
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you shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.
EXACTLY
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINED
COMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME.
So if it so easy why Dre not do it yourself? That's the point. These producers and ghotswriters did most of the work. Dre just smoke weed and has good ear. But they have a talent. U can't make dope beat or write lyrics if u ain't got that. Lot of producers making beat from the scratch. And they deserve to the respect. Storch played piano in "Still Dre" and that's what everybody loved in this beat.
I have to agree with this. Im sorry but its easy to sit with a producer and tell them what you want to hear or what you want something to
sound like, anybody with any musical knowledge or any idea on arrangement, synthesis, chord structures etc can do that.
Yes its true that none of Dre's producers got as big as Dre did but why is that? Dre was a household name and was already classed as a super
producer since in the late 80's so of course he is going to be bigger then everybody else....he could fart into a microphone and release it as
a single and people will claim its the best sound since "2001"
But i suppose because we have a different point of view then it means we dont know im talking about right??
Dre has a really good ear for good music but without a whole bunch of other guys making music then he would have nothing but a drum beat. Dre is not
a production genius, he is a arrangement genius, although i would not really call him a genius....making hip hop beats is hardly rocket science is it?
There's so much wrong with ur post, I don't even know where to begin
First off, u have to be straight up an idiot to think "anyone with musical knowledge" can do what Dre does
And more importantly, Dre is as great as he is because people know to expect quality from whatever he touches.. Quality goes a long way. "farting into a mic" goes completely against what Dre stands for smfh
Lets also not act like dre's Never produced an entire beat from scratch on his own..making a beat as good as Dre goes beyond rocket science .. How many producers have tried to emulate that sound only to come short? I'll give u a hint- a whole lot
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Scott Storch played the piano for Still D.R.E. and that is what most people remember, but Dre heard it and brought it to life. A beat is only as good as the lyrics over it. That is what Dre does. He takes the music. He pairs it with the lyrics. Not every producer can do that. When DJ Quik has someone come in and play a guitar lick, does that take away from his production? No. It enhances it. Musicians have always been the gateway for Producers to making great music. Lock Daz in a Room with Soopafly, Kurupt & Snoop and then a week later, do the same with Dre. Who would come out with the better finished product?
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you shouldn't put your name on a track unless you've put a significant amount of work into it.
EXACTLY
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DRE PUTS IN MORE WORK THAN EVERY1 ON THE TRACK COMBINED
COMING UP WITH A BEAT, SONG IDEA, WRITING THE LYRICS, RECORDING THE FLOWS....I LEARNED THROUGH 1ST HAND EXPERIENCE, ALL THAT'S THE EASY PART. TRUST ME.
So if it so easy why Dre not do it yourself? That's the point. These producers and ghotswriters did most of the work. Dre just smoke weed and has good ear. But they have a talent. U can't make dope beat or write lyrics if u ain't got that. Lot of producers making beat from the scratch. And they deserve to the respect. Storch played piano in "Still Dre" and that's what everybody loved in this beat.
I have to agree with this. Im sorry but its easy to sit with a producer and tell them what you want to hear or what you want something to
sound like, anybody with any musical knowledge or any idea on arrangement, synthesis, chord structures etc can do that.
Yes its true that none of Dre's producers got as big as Dre did but why is that? Dre was a household name and was already classed as a super
producer since in the late 80's so of course he is going to be bigger then everybody else....he could fart into a microphone and release it as
a single and people will claim its the best sound since "2001"
But i suppose because we have a different point of view then it means we dont know im talking about right??
Dre has a really good ear for good music but without a whole bunch of other guys making music then he would have nothing but a drum beat. Dre is not
a production genius, he is a arrangement genius, although i would not really call him a genius....making hip hop beats is hardly rocket science is it?
And you just described the producer.
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Understand that there is many people behind every each track that you hear. There is hardly ever one or less than 3 people behind the music. There are musicians that play each instrument best they can, there are artists who sing/rap along (like an instrument pretty much). And between all of that there is also producer, who has a vision, or who knows what he wants to hear. Its subjective what is most important, but you must agree that Dre was doin the hell of a job on his position.
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I dont know what to believe when it comes to this but i will say one thing. There are a hell of a lot more people saying Dre
did not make beats then people saying he did.
I hear that for a lot of tracks Dre laid the drum beat down and the session musicians or other producers like Daz etc
would make music around it then Dre would mix and arrange it....now to me that's not a producer. The producer writes
the music. Not just a drum beat and then some arrangement.
Its funny how his early stuff sounded a lot like Daz's stuff and his later stuff sounded like Scott Storch and them. Nowdays he
does not seem to be working with any hot producers and his beats are not very good. People say that when Dre drops
new albums he is re-inventing his sound....now is that right or is he really just taking stuff from a new batch of producers?
Like i say, i dont know what really goes on for sure so im not taking anything away from Dre at all, he is a talent, even if it
is just the way he makes the final product sound even if he did not actually write the music or produce it
Yeah but most of those people saying that are disgruntled people that used to work with him and don't anymore, or people on forums like these that don't shit about what actually goes on in the studio and what it takes to make the songs they speaking on. I wouldn't trust either's word in that case. But it isn't a coincidence that every rapper, singer, producer, musician, that has been asked about Dre or did an interview, praises the shit out of him. They all say the same thing (perfectionist, the greatest, etc). If he was just the type to sit around and jack people's shit would he get props like that from literally everyone that has been in the lab with him? No! He's had different co-producers and musicians over the years but yet all his beats still have that "Dre style" and sound. Basically no matter who contributed to the song, you can tell immediately that it's a Dr Dre beat. Why, because the man is doing the actual work. People that worked with him and moved on, why the beats don't sound nearly as good if they were doing all the work? Also, if Dre starts working with someone else, why his beats sound just as good as the beat he did with the last person? You can do the math on that and see where the common denominator is. The beats on efil4zaggin sound light years ahead of what Yella did on for the love of money for Bone Thugs or on what he did on Eazy's last album, whatever Daz so-called contributed to on Doggystyle with Dre and Afro Puffs that he produced with Dre sounds totally better than anything Daz did without Dre, nothing Mel-Man did since 2001 sound remotely as good as any beat on 2001, Scott Storch had some hits since he started working without Dre but none of them sound as good as the beats him and Dre did together when they had they little run (like on the Documentary and whatever else before Mike Elizondo became his main co-producer). I could go on & on but it all comes so back to Dre. The man works hard to make shit that we all loved so he shouldn't be discredited for his work. Snoop even said he's seen Dre make beats from top to bottom by himself and you can see footage on YouTube of him playing piano & keyboards so we all know if he wanted to he could ex co-producers and musicians out the mix. He has always said he likes the collaboration process with others (kinda like a jam session with him at the lead) so that's just how the man likes to work, not because he has to. Look at Relapse. There's songs on there where he's credited as the sole producer and there's songs he produced on there with others. The songs he produced on his own sound just as good (or is some cases better) than the ones he did with others. So bottom line Dre puts that work in.
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I dont know what to believe when it comes to this but i will say one thing. There are a hell of a lot more people saying Dre
did not make beats then people saying he did.
I hear that for a lot of tracks Dre laid the drum beat down and the session musicians or other producers like Daz etc
would make music around it then Dre would mix and arrange it....now to me that's not a producer. The producer writes
the music. Not just a drum beat and then some arrangement.
Its funny how his early stuff sounded a lot like Daz's stuff and his later stuff sounded like Scott Storch and them. Nowdays he
does not seem to be working with any hot producers and his beats are not very good. People say that when Dre drops
new albums he is re-inventing his sound....now is that right or is he really just taking stuff from a new batch of producers?
Like i say, i dont know what really goes on for sure so im not taking anything away from Dre at all, he is a talent, even if it
is just the way he makes the final product sound even if he did not actually write the music or produce it
Yeah but most of those people saying that area. Disgruntled people that used to work with him and don't anymore, or people on forums like these that don't shit about what actually goes on in the studio and what it takes to make the songs they speaking on. I wouldn't trust either's word in that case. But it isn't a coincidence that every rapper, singer, producer, musician, that has been asked about Dre or did an interview, praises the shit out of him. They all say the same thing (perfectionist, the greatest, etc). If he was just the type to sit around and jack people's shit would he get props like that from literally everyone that has been in the lab with him? No! He's had different co-producers and musicians over the years but yet all his beats still have that "Dre style" and sound. Basically no matter who contributed to the song, you can tell immediately that it's a Dr Dre beat. Why, because the man is doing the actual work. People that worked with him and moved on, why the beats don't sound nearly as good if they were doing all the work? Also, if Dre starts working with someone else, why his beats sound just as good as the beat he did with the last person? You can do the math on that and see where the common denominator is. The beats on efil4zaggin sound light years ahead of what Yella did on for the love of money for Bone thugs or on what he did on Eazy's last album, whatever Daz so-called contributed to on Doggystyle with Dre and Afro Puffs that he produced with Dre sounds totally better than Daz did without Dre, nothing Mel-Man did since 2001 sound remotely as good as any beat on 2001, Scott Storch had some hits since he started working without Dre but none of them sound as good as the beats him and Dre did together when they had they little run (like on the Documentary and whatever else before Mike Elizondo became his main content-producer). I could go on & on but it all comes so back to Dre. The man works hard to make shit that we all loved so he shouldn't be discredited for his work. Snoop even said he's seen Dre make beats from top to bottom by himself and you can see footage on YouTube of him playing piano & keyboards so we all know if he wanted to he could ex could-producers and musicians out the mix. He has always said he likes the collaboration process with others (kinda like a jam session with him at the lead) so that's just how the man likes to work, not because he has to. Look at Relapse. There's songs on there where he's credited as the sole producer and there's songs he produced on there with others. The songs he produced on his own sound just as good (or is some cases better) than the ones he did with others. So bottom line Dre puts that work in.
MONEY
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funny thing is, thats what cats like okka and mietek really think
I've always said that Dr. Dre is my favorite producer of all times, but i just think the people he works with don't always get the credit they deserve.
I dont know what to believe when it comes to this but i will say one thing. There are a hell of a lot more people saying Dre
did not make beats then people saying he did.
I hear that for a lot of tracks Dre laid the drum beat down and the session musicians or other producers like Daz etc
would make music around it then Dre would mix and arrange it....now to me that's not a producer. The producer writes
the music. Not just a drum beat and then some arrangement.
Its funny how his early stuff sounded a lot like Daz's stuff and his later stuff sounded like Scott Storch and them. Nowdays he
does not seem to be working with any hot producers and his beats are not very good. People say that when Dre drops
new albums he is re-inventing his sound....now is that right or is he really just taking stuff from a new batch of producers?
Like i say, i dont know what really goes on for sure so im not taking anything away from Dre at all, he is a talent, even if it
is just the way he makes the final product sound even if he did not actually write the music or produce it
Exactly. At the end of the day, none of us really know what goes inside the studios. All we can do is speculate.
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The modern idea of a producer is what killed creativity for the music - expecting one 'big name' to do everything on his set up instead of a collaborative process with musicians, DJs and samples.
I think it's damaging thinking in all forms of entertainment because the creative process in things like music and filmmaking is very often, a collaborative process. The media likes to grab one name and make them the self-made person who built it all from scratch but every one of those success stories has people behind the scenes who contributed strong ideas.
I don't think of Dre as this great beat-maker. I think of him as a great "producer". He surrounds himself with talented people and takes their best ideas to build something extraordinary and his track record shows he's done that time and time again. That is what a producer is supposed to be. I hate to burst anyone's bubble on the subject but all these people who you think make all their own beats from scratch and do all this other extra shit, do not exist. You might have people who do out of necessity when they are just breaking in or getting their start but when you've got Interscope money and deadlines, you're not sitting around doing every little fucking thing on your own.
As a producer, Dre is about as good as it gets in modern music, for someone who has been doing it since the 1980's. And this isn't just beats. This is music production, the way he deals with artists, the whole package. You might have a few producers under Dre's wing who can fuck with him when it comes to putting them beats together but the moment, Dre cut that umbilical cord on them, they aren't going to go out and get artists together and create that universal artist-producer relationship that Dre has created so many times over. You're not getting a Chronic or Doggystyle out of them. I mean, we can argue about who did what beat-wise all day, but when Dre was no longer overseeing production at Ruthless, the shift in production quality was noticeable. Same with Death Row. And there were some talented understudies over there that by all logic, should have thrived without having to share credit on "their" beats with Dre.
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It's the D-R-E the spectacular
In a party I go for your neck, so call me "Blacula"
More than a Stealth bomber, I cause drama
The enforcer, music floats like a flying saucer
When I rock the spot with the flavor I got
I get plenty of ass, so call me an ass-tronaut
As I blast past another nigga's ass that thought he was strong
But I smoke him like grass, just like Cheech and Chong
Many tried to, but just can't rock with
I'm 6-1, 225: pure chocolate
Pure lyricism at it's finest.
hahahahahaha
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weak ass rhymes indeed
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J Flexx helped pen such classics as Natural Born Killers, Keep Their Heads Ringing, Dr. Dre's verse for California Love, and Been there, Done that
http://www.hiphop-elements.com/article/read/6/6936/1/
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J Flexx helped pen such classics as Natural Born Killers, Keep Their Heads Ringing, Dr. Dre's verse for California Love, and Been there, Done that
http://www.hiphop-elements.com/article/read/6/6936/1/
funny how former resident and fake Daytonian midget troll Ketchup never pretends to know J Flexx :D