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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Rebel on December 05, 2005, 10:24:45 AM
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In a recent interview for foreign television, Rakim was asked what he thought about Eminem, his former label mate. The man who is often referred to as the God Emcee and regularly called the greatest of all-time, made some very flattering remarks about Slim.
”Eminem is nasty man, I don’t care what color he is. I don’t care about none of that nahmean? Real artists respect real artist’s man. Especially like a conscious artist that sits down and writes and hears another artist that sits down and does his writing…and he know…a brother nasty. Regardless, you can’t take nothing away from his thoughts and his pen, nahmean? Em is nasty man, I tell people to this day…if Em was black…he’d be the next Muhammad Ali man.”
http://hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.3718
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Well, if this real then i look at it like this. I believe game recognize game, and no doubt Em was pretty sick a few years back. But i don't get what the fuck he's been doin musically lately. Not sure that i'd compare him to Ali.
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Em has talent but hes been puttin out terrible music for the last coule of years. The only rapper imo that can be compared to ali is 2pac, although 2pac was more than rap he is to rap what elvis was to pop, Immortal.
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pac aint that big outside the rap world.. everyone knows elvis and his music..
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n if eminem was black hed never be where he is today cuz the only reason why he made it that far is cuz he white, he a great lyricist tho
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notice the '' if he was black''. Even rakim think he's not the best cuz he's not black
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pac aint that big outside the rap world.. everyone knows elvis and his music..
I kinda disagree with that because if you ask an average person they will know some part of 2pac but not know anythning about any other rapper, like my english teacher knew who he was when i did my term paper on him and this guy is liek 60 years old. Yes, of course he's not as popular overall as elvis cause elvis has sold over 100 million but 2pac has sold 40 million in the states alone and is the best selling hip hop artist of all time so just in compari9son they are both the biggest solo artists in their genre and both iconic figures is why i made the comparison.
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pac aint that big outside the rap world.. everyone knows elvis and his music..
I kinda disagree with that because if you ask an average person they will know some part of 2pac but not know anythning about any other rapper, like my english teacher knew who he was when i did my term paper on him and this guy is liek 60 years old. Yes, of course he's not as popular overall as elvis cause elvis has sold over 100 million but 2pac has sold 40 million in the states alone and is the best selling hip hop artist of all time so just in compari9son they are both the biggest solo artists in their genre and both iconic figures is why i made the comparison.
yeah MOST people know who tupac is, they may not know the music but they know the name, he's like jimi hendrix and bob marley in that sense
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Everyone knows who 2pac is. His death was such a huge thing in the media.
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Em could never come close to pac on overall talent. Em is probably a better lyricist (flow wise) but not by much. It's a shame that we can't know how pac would have progressed beyond his death row days. I almost believe that the legacy pac helped create with all the concentration on matieral goods and thug life, would have been past him by now and he would have been into shit that rappers won't be doing until five years later.
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I really cant understand how Em gets so much respect from other mcs???He raps about raping little boys & girls,animals or something like that,blah blah blah & all this other bullshit nobody cares about.
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I really cant understand how Em gets so much respect from other mcs???He raps about raping little boys & girls,animals or something like that,blah blah blah & all this other bullshit nobody cares about.
I think it's beyond the subject matter. His wordplay and flow are sick even though he's slippin lately.
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you can't deny his early talent
role model and rock bottom are both classic joints.
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I really cant understand how Em gets so much respect from other mcs???He raps about raping little boys & girls,animals or something like that,blah blah blah & all this other bullshit nobody cares about.
thats kind of an ignorant comment, granted his subject matter is lacking, and granted hes not the same artist right now that he was, but em does more serious songs or songs that have at least some meaning then anything. its just the slim shady persona that made him famous, rappin about some dumb shit so people would take notice. early on he wanted to do the real shit, listen to infinite. and even later on he doesnt do nearly as much of that sick shit as you make it out to be. and about that tupac thing, i bet just as many or more people know who eminem is, but thats just cause hes white, if he was black he wouldnt sel nearly as much or be half as famous, but hed probly get more respect. although you cant get much more respect then rakim comparin you to ali.
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I really cant understand how Em gets so much respect from other mcs???He raps about raping little boys & girls,animals or something like that,blah blah blah & all this other bullshit nobody cares about.
thats kind of an ignorant comment, granted his subject matter is lacking, and granted hes not the same artist right now that he was, but em does more serious songs or songs that have at least some meaning then anything. its just the slim shady persona that made him famous, rappin about some dumb shit so people would take notice. early on he wanted to do the real shit, listen to infinite. and even later on he doesnt do nearly as much of that sick shit as you make it out to be. and about that tupac thing, i bet just as many or more people know who eminem is, but thats just cause hes white, if he was black he wouldnt sel nearly as much or be half as famous, but hed probly get more respect. although you cant get much more respect then rakim comparin you to ali.
I'm in total agreement with u.
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I respect Rakim's opinion and like someone else said game recognizes game, but "If he was black, he would be the g.o.a.t. rapper". Fuck No.
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I really cant understand how Em gets so much respect from other mcs???He raps about raping little boys & girls,animals or something like that,blah blah blah & all this other bullshit nobody cares about.
thats kind of an ignorant comment, granted his subject matter is lacking, and granted hes not the same artist right now that he was, but em does more serious songs or songs that have at least some meaning then anything. its just the slim shady persona that made him famous, rappin about some dumb shit so people would take notice. early on he wanted to do the real shit, listen to infinite. and even later on he doesnt do nearly as much of that sick shit as you make it out to be. and about that tupac thing, i bet just as many or more people know who eminem is, but thats just cause hes white, if he was black he wouldnt sel nearly as much or be half as famous, but hed probly get more respect. although you cant get much more respect then rakim comparin you to ali.
agreed
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Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute
Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it
But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it
Now who's these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it
Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit
Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America
as a motherfuckin drug addict - like you didn't experiment?
Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror
and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased
And I got nothin to do but make you look stupid as parents
You fuckin do-gooders - too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!
(Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't
think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo
Cause here we go - he's {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}
And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just the
8)
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Props for this can't wait to Rakim drop a new LP
(http://tinypic.com/i1czma.jpg)
wesley valentine and devin the dude
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man rakim is tight but it dont give him a right to diss eminem, both are dope ass rappers
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^ what are you talkin about? did you read the first post?
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Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute
Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it
But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it
Now who's these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it
Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit
Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America
as a motherfuckin drug addict - like you didn't experiment?
Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror
and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased
And I got nothin to do but make you look stupid as parents
You fuckin do-gooders - too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!
(Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't
think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo
Cause here we go - he's {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}
And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just the
8)
that is why rakim said what he said, that verse right there
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you fyuckers need to realize em is tight....and rakim is right just like every other rapper that give em credit...em is sick even on his worst day so quit fuckin hating....
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^He used to be tight,get it right.
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Everyone knows who 2pac is. His death was such a huge thing in the media.
maybe in america. not in europe.
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^Thats kinda true,non hip hop heads & 30 & over people wont really know about Pac.
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man rakim is tight but it dont give him a right to diss eminem, both are dope ass rappers
Rakim said nasty as in tight
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^Thats kinda true,non hip hop heads & 30 & over people wont really know about Pac.
nigga pac is 33 or 34.stop giving out bad info.....(pac been rapping since 89)you do the math....i know cats 4o bumben pacs shit....some people need 101hiphop classes for real.you mean peeps in their 50,60,mybe late 40s.but not peeps in their early,and late 30s.thats impossible
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^Thats kinda true,non hip hop heads & 30 & over people wont really know about Pac.
nigga pac is 33 or 34.stop giving out bad info.....(pac been rapping since 89)you do the math....i know cats 4o bumben pacs shit....some people need 101hiphop classes for real.you mean peeps in their 50,60,mybe late 40s.but not peeps in their early,and late 30s.thats impossible
shut up and die, you don't know what you are talking about.
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^Thats kinda true,non hip hop heads & 30 & over people wont really know about Pac.
nigga pac is 33 or 34.stop giving out bad info.....(pac been rapping since 89)you do the math....i know cats 4o bumben pacs shit....some people need 101hiphop classes for real.you mean peeps in their 50,60,mybe late 40s.but not peeps in their early,and late 30s.thats impossible
shut up and die, you don't know what you are talking about.
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^Thats kinda true,non hip hop heads & 30 & over people wont really know about Pac.
nigga pac is 33 or 34.stop giving out bad info.....(pac been rapping since 89)you do the math....i know cats 4o bumben pacs shit....some people need 101hiphop classes for real.you mean peeps in their 50,60,mybe late 40s.but not peeps in their early,and late 30s.thats impossible
shut up and die, you don't know what you are talking about.
lol
Speaking for Europe, Eminem is more well-known than Pac nowadays. The rapper your grandmother knows about here is Em, not Pac. Pac comes no. 2 tho
and Muhammad Ali is just a kinda strange comparison. If Eminem was black, his whole way of coming up, regardless whether he would have been as successful as he is or not, would have been different. Not that a black with Em´s talent can´t become as famous - Pac didn´t have Em´s talent as an MC and blew up similarly - but Eminem´s career is partly based on the fact that he´s white. And therefore any "if he was black, he would..." hypothesis doesn´t work anyways. And Rakim would really have to fill me in on how Muhammad Ali fits in there
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^He used to be tight,get it right.
he still tight...why don't U get it right....
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^He used to be tight,get it right.
he still tight...why don't U get it right....
i disagree - i can't remember the last decent song he made
i mean look at his last hit single compared to a classic
Ass Like That
The way she moves she dances like a go-go
In that video she sings get out your puzzle
I need a new boyfriend, hi my name is JoJo
Police saying FREEZE - D-DOING DOING DOING
What do you mean freeze? My computers will be seized
And my keys, to my ranch, I just bake cookies
Mr. Officer, lookie, take a whiff of this
Here, I make Jesus juice, take a sip of this
Nobody is safe from me, no not even me
I don't even know if I can say the word pee-pee
Pee, on the radio but I think I did
Janet is that a breast? I think I just saw a tit
Psych I joke, I joke, I keed, I keed
I don't think my joke is working, I must flee quick!
Get to the chopper, everybody get out
I am not Triumph, I am Ah-nuld, get dowwwn!
Rock Bottom
My life is full of empty promises and broken dreams
I'm hopin things look up; but there ain't no job openings
I feel discouraged, hungry and malnourished
Living in this house with no furnace, unfurnished
And I'm sick of workin dead end jobs with lame pay
And I'm tired of being hired and fired the same day
But fuck it, if you know the rules to the game play
Cause when we die we know we all going the same way
Cause it's cool to be player, but it sucks to be the fan
When all you need is bucks to be the man, plus a luxury sedan
I'm comfortable and roomy in a six
But they threw me in the mix with all these gloomy lunatics
who walk around depressed, and smoke a pound of sess a day
And yesterday went by so quick it seems like it was just today
My daughter wants to throw the ball but I'm too stressed to play
Live half my life and throw the rest away
you tell me which is tight and which ain't
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"ass like that" is a horrible song...that was made for the fuckin radio anyway.... most radio songs are pieces of shit....i'm talking about his lyrics anyway their still tight... everyone on this board is gonna disagree w/ me anywayz since everyone hear bad mouths eminem ....
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^Thats kinda true,non hip hop heads & 30 & over people wont really know about Pac.
nigga pac is 33 or 34.stop giving out bad info.....(pac been rapping since 89)you do the math....i know cats 4o bumben pacs shit....some people need 101hiphop classes for real.you mean peeps in their 50,60,mybe late 40s.but not peeps in their early,and late 30s.thats impossible
shut up and die, you don't know what you are talking about.
lol
Speaking for Europe, Eminem is more well-known than Pac nowadays. The rapper your grandmother knows about here is Em, not Pac. Pac comes no. 2 tho
and Muhammad Ali is just a kinda strange comparison. If Eminem was black, his whole way of coming up, regardless whether he would have been as successful as he is or not, would have been different. Not that a black with Em´s talent can´t become as famous - Pac didn´t have Em´s talent as an MC and blew up similarly - but Eminem´s career is partly based on the fact that he´s white. And therefore any "if he was black, he would..." hypothesis doesn´t work anyways. And Rakim would really have to fill me in on how Muhammad Ali fits in there
nah here in netherlands it's
1) 50 cent :(
2) Eminem
3) 2Pac
you wouldn't believe how many white kids live here that wear g-unit clothing
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if you're gonna judge his recent material, take his verse from "We Ain't" since that was released after 'Encore'
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^Thats kinda true,non hip hop heads & 30 & over people wont really know about Pac.
nigga pac is 33 or 34.stop giving out bad info.....(pac been rapping since 89)you do the math....i know cats 4o bumben pacs shit....some people need 101hiphop classes for real.you mean peeps in their 50,60,mybe late 40s.but not peeps in their early,and late 30s.thats impossible
shut up and die, you don't know what you are talking about.
ok, I see your just a stright up hata to the fullest....I give you true hiphop info,and you side with a kid who at best is only 17 or 16.whom knows shit about hiphop comeing out in the early90s...yet a person thats from that era,you shit on..........damn,i see why hiphop is so fucked up.
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^Thats kinda true,non hip hop heads & 30 & over people wont really know about Pac.
nigga pac is 33 or 34.stop giving out bad info.....(pac been rapping since 89)you do the math....i know cats 4o bumben pacs shit....some people need 101hiphop classes for real.you mean peeps in their 50,60,mybe late 40s.but not peeps in their early,and late 30s.thats impossible
shut up and die, you don't know what you are talking about.
See I was gonna stop fucking with your pussy smelling ass.but you dont like your freedom do you......its on!
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ervyone heard of 2pac, they just dont know shit about him........
em wouldnt be shit if he was black, lol@all the whiteys gettin high of a rakim comment when they dont give a fuck abut him anyother time
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^Thats kinda true,non hip hop heads & 30 & over people wont really know about Pac.
nigga pac is 33 or 34.stop giving out bad info.....(pac been rapping since 89)you do the math....i know cats 4o bumben pacs shit....some people need 101hiphop classes for real.you mean peeps in their 50,60,mybe late 40s.but not peeps in their early,and late 30s.thats impossible
shut up and die, you don't know what you are talking about.
ok, I see your just a stright up hata to the fullest....I give you true hiphop info,and you side with a kid who at best is only 17 or 16.whom knows shit about hiphop comeing out in the early90s...yet a person thats from that era,you shit on..........damn,i see why hiphop is so fucked up.
You still dont get it do you???Europe isnt America,different people listen to different music.Only the young dudes know of Pac,like EclipZe said,unfortunately 50 & Em are way more popular than Pac in Europe,so is Snoop.I dont like it but thats how it is.Think Im lying???I live here,what can you tell me???
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ervyone heard of 2pac, they just dont know shit about him........
em wouldnt be shit if he was black, lol@all the whiteys gettin high of a rakim comment when they dont give a fuck abut him anyother time
ISpoken like a true champ.
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^Thats kinda true,non hip hop heads & 30 & over people wont really know about Pac.
nigga pac is 33 or 34.stop giving out bad info.....(pac been rapping since 89)you do the math....i know cats 4o bumben pacs shit....some people need 101hiphop classes for real.you mean peeps in their 50,60,mybe late 40s.but not peeps in their early,and late 30s.thats impossible
shut up and die, you don't know what you are talking about.
ok, I see your just a stright up hata to the fullest....I give you true hiphop info,and you side with a kid who at best is only 17 or 16.whom knows shit about hiphop comeing out in the early90s...yet a person thats from that era,you shit on..........damn,i see why hiphop is so fucked up.
You still dont get it do you???Europe isnt America,different people listen to different music.Only the young dudes know of Pac,like EclipZe said,unfortunately 50 & Em are way more popular than Pac in Europe,so is Snoop.I dont like it but thats how it is.Think Im lying???I live here,what can you tell me???
My bad homie.shit was just a miss understanding.
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would you post this interview? I have a problem getting to the website
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http://www.abcdrduson.com/media/Rakim_speaks_on_eminem[F.Bonura_-_Abcdrduson.com].mov
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notice the '' if he was black''. Even rakim think he's not the best cuz he's not black
WOW!!!! dont agree.
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ervyone heard of 2pac, they just dont know shit about him........
em wouldnt be shit if he was black, lol@all the whiteys gettin high of a rakim comment when they dont give a fuck abut him anyother time
why talk about shit you dunno nothin about ? you obviously ain't been to europe if you think everyone knows about pac or heard of him. youths do of course, that's it.
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any fluent french/english peeps who can translate the interview? Can't understand french for shit.