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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Blood$ on September 30, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
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http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhJx9jVr4tEsiUq50e
some of these have been common knowledge but interesting nonetheless
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I didn't know that about Dre. That's pretty nuts.
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Whats that beat playing through the video! That is dope 8)
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puffy has always been the most useless rich dude in rap
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But when you're an inside man to the powers that be in the two biggest Hip Hop conspiracy murders, only to the public are you "useless".
But in his defense, Diddy always cared about owning the label more so than being a rapper. He just makes songs to stay relevant today.
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But when you're an inside man to the powers that be in the two biggest Hip Hop conspiracy murders, only to the public are you "useless".
But in his defense, Diddy always cared about owning the label more so than being a rapper. He just makes songs to stay relevant today.
agreed
i could care less if he did anything to either of those guys though
im just answering purely from a listeners perspective
and youre right, diddy was more about owning the label, but hes put himself out there as an artist too much for me to overlook
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Yeah. He's absolutely worthless as an artist. But I'll still take his contributions a billion times over DJ Drama just talking shit, fucking up mixtapes and DJ Khaled. How those people make money literally angers me.
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Khaled has Arab money, only reason he's able to do what he does
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no way out is a classic
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no way out is a classic
agreed
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no way out is a classic
agreed
The point was he didn't write it or produce it. But yeah, it is.
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no way out is a classic
agreed
The point was he didn't write it or produce it. But yeah, it is.
in essence, that was Biggie, The Lox, Black Rob, and Lil Kim's group album 8)
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If Biggie hadn't died, Puffy only releases one album and Biggie goes one to be the headliner of Bad Boy, with Ma$e and the Lox as the secondary acts. So I ain't tripping off Puffy, he was doing what he does. The headphones don't surprise me. Nothing about that was surprising or depressing, except Outkast. Snoop and Nas were too real for the Grammys. Grammys are for Kanye West.
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no way out is a classic
agreed
The point was he didn't write it or produce it. But yeah, it is.
in essence, that was Biggie, The Lox, Black Rob, and Lil Kim's group album 8)
very true...but puff was the one to put it all together, so he does deserve credit. he's sorta like a much less talented dre.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhBTV5GsoiQ
Ive found the beat if anybody is interested..i really like this and it looks like its just a beat and no lyrics are done yet
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SHOULD LAMB BUY THE RIGHTS?
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puffy has always been the most useless rich dude in rap
What's your opinion on Eazy?
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puffy has always been the most useless rich dude in rap
What's your opinion on Eazy?
Could have been as rich of a useless guy, but had Jerry Heller stealing his money.
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Eazy did write some of his lyrics though...
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And Puffy did some of the production. He also made the call to have Biggie rap over the Juicy beat when even Biggie didn't want to.
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Yeah. He's absolutely worthless as an artist. But I'll still take his contributions a billion times over DJ Drama just talking shit, fucking up mixtapes and DJ Khaled. How those people make money literally angers me.
im with you on that.
i remember when khaled came out screaming and yelling over generic ass south beats. shit was crazy how popular his music was.
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Yeah. He's absolutely worthless as an artist. But I'll still take his contributions a billion times over DJ Drama just talking shit, fucking up mixtapes and DJ Khaled. How those people make money literally angers me.
By far. As far as Puffy the artist goes, I never thought he was nearly as bad as people made him out to be (at least in his hey-day).
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I honestly had all of his albums before Press Play lol
Forever had some highlights... people forget about that "Journey Through The Life" track with him Nas and Beanie Sigel :o
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Puff gets shit for things that Eazy gets a pass on.
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Come on, how can you be comparing eazy and puff. Only similarity i see is, that they were both more into business than music. But when it comes to music, its disrespectfull to eazy.
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Disrespectful? Um. Ok. Just one question, how many songs did Eazy write?
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Eazy wrote for the Love of Money $ verse, and I think Real Compton City G'z.
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Real Compton City G'z.
B.G. Knoccout and Dre'sta wrote that whole song if I'm not mistaken
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Puff gets shit for things that Eazy gets a pass on.
Not from me. Eazy was so weak. Snoop too.
They're the OG versions of Game, letting production carry them the entire way through & just know the right way to ride it...well read someone else's lyrics on how to ride it.
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Real Compton City G'z.
B.G. Knoccout and Dre'sta wrote that whole song if I'm not mistaken
You might be right. But he is credited with writing credits for that song and It's On on that EP. Those were the only songs he was credited with. Not sure if he wrote all of his lyrics, or just put input to them. But he did get some credit for those songs. Also Boyz n tha Hood (G-Mix) but we all know Cube wrote that. So take Eazy's writing credit with a grain of salt.
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Puff gets shit for things that Eazy gets a pass on.
Not from me. Eazy was so weak. Snoop too.
They're the OG versions of Game, letting production carry them the entire way through & just know the right way to ride it...well read someone else's lyrics on how to ride it.
it's called personality, mic presence, flow, delivery, voice control, passion, charm etc......personally, i could never sit through an entire joe budden album, because i much rather hear some simple shit with personality and meaning than some great lyrics with monotone ass flows...if i want great lyrics, ill watch rap battles on youtube....i want shit that slaps, sounds good, rappers who mean what they say, who can rock a mic wit their energy, not just big words that sounds like it's being read off a paper....and that is why eazy-e >>>>>>>>>> joe budden
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Real Compton City G'z.
B.G. Knoccout and Dre'sta wrote that whole song if I'm not mistaken
You might be right. But he is credited with writing credits for that song and It's On on that EP. Those were the only songs he was credited with. Not sure if he wrote all of his lyrics, or just put input to them. But he did get some credit for those songs. Also Boyz n tha Hood (G-Mix) but we all know Cube wrote that. So take Eazy's writing credit with a grain of salt.
he actually wrote a lot of songs on "straight off the streetz"
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Puff gets shit for things that Eazy gets a pass on.
Not from me. Eazy was so weak. Snoop too.
They're the OG versions of Game, letting production carry them the entire way through & just know the right way to ride it...well read someone else's lyrics on how to ride it.
it's called personality, mic presence, flow, delivery, voice control, passion, charm etc......personally, i could never sit through an entire joe budden album, because i much rather hear some simple shit with personality and meaning than some great lyrics with monotone ass flows...if i want great lyrics, ill watch rap battles on youtube....i want shit that slaps, sounds good, rappers who mean what they say, who can rock a mic wit their energy, not just big words that sounds like it's being read off a paper....and that is why eazy-e >>>>>>>>>> joe budden
Pretty much.
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Real Compton City G'z.
B.G. Knoccout and Dre'sta wrote that whole song if I'm not mistaken
You might be right. But he is credited with writing credits for that song and It's On on that EP. Those were the only songs he was credited with. Not sure if he wrote all of his lyrics, or just put input to them. But he did get some credit for those songs. Also Boyz n tha Hood (G-Mix) but we all know Cube wrote that. So take Eazy's writing credit with a grain of salt.
he actually wrote a lot of songs on "straight off the streetz"
I was actually talking about It's On (Dr. Dre) = 187um Killa EP.
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SHOULD LAMB BUY THE RIGHTS?
Yes go for it! That beat is on fire although nobody seems to be giving it a second though haha 8)
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Puff gets shit for things that Eazy gets a pass on.
Not from me. Eazy was so weak. Snoop too.
They're the OG versions of Game, letting production carry them the entire way through & just know the right way to ride it...well read someone else's lyrics on how to ride it.
it's called personality, mic presence, flow, delivery, voice control, passion, charm etc......personally, i could never sit through an entire joe budden album, because i much rather hear some simple shit with personality and meaning than some great lyrics with monotone ass flows...if i want great lyrics, ill watch rap battles on youtube....i want shit that slaps, sounds good, rappers who mean what they say, who can rock a mic wit their energy, not just big words that sounds like it's being read off a paper...
Gotta agree with this. I mean, call a rapper out for getting help all you want, but at the end of the day there's a lot more than just lyrics. I'd much rather listen to an average/slightly below lyricist like Game than some some lyrical guy that lacks mic-presence and all that.
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Disrespectful? Um. Ok. Just one question, how many songs did Eazy write?
not many
who had more talent as a rapper?
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not many
who had more talent as a rapper?
Neither, really. But, from what Cube had to say, obviously Eazy struggled in the booth. Not sure if his whole career was like that, but at least up front. I've never heard a story about Puff like that.
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not many
who had more talent as a rapper?
Neither, really. But, from what Cube had to say, obviously Eazy struggled in the booth. Not sure if his whole career was like that, but at least up front. I've never heard a story about Puff like that.
eazy-e is way better as a rapper, u jokin? maybe he struggled with technicalities in the early years, but his presence, flow, charisma shits on anything puffy ever had to offer. it's not even close, really.
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To me, Eazy's personality and voice made him an enjoyable Rapper to listen to. I don't think any of that is really a talent.
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Puff gets shit for things that Eazy gets a pass on.
Not from me. Eazy was so weak. Snoop too.
They're the OG versions of Game, letting production carry them the entire way through & just know the right way to ride it...well read someone else's lyrics on how to ride it.
it's called personality, mic presence, flow, delivery, voice control, passion, charm etc......personally, i could never sit through an entire joe budden album, because i much rather hear some simple shit with personality and meaning than some great lyrics with monotone ass flows...if i want great lyrics, ill watch rap battles on youtube....i want shit that slaps, sounds good, rappers who mean what they say, who can rock a mic wit their energy, not just big words that sounds like it's being read off a paper....and that is why eazy-e >>>>>>>>>> joe budden
Pretty much.
You pretty much just summed up 95% of what the mainstream is.
Yet you both hate on every popular act on the industry. ::)
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Puff gets shit for things that Eazy gets a pass on.
Not from me. Eazy was so weak. Snoop too.
They're the OG versions of Game, letting production carry them the entire way through & just know the right way to ride it...well read someone else's lyrics on how to ride it.
it's called personality, mic presence, flow, delivery, voice control, passion, charm etc......personally, i could never sit through an entire joe budden album, because i much rather hear some simple shit with personality and meaning than some great lyrics with monotone ass flows...if i want great lyrics, ill watch rap battles on youtube....i want shit that slaps, sounds good, rappers who mean what they say, who can rock a mic wit their energy, not just big words that sounds like it's being read off a paper....and that is why eazy-e >>>>>>>>>> joe budden
Pretty much.
You pretty much just summed up 95% of what the mainstream is.
Yet you both hate on every popular act on the industry. ::)
the mainstream sounds like shit though, from production to flows...they on that gay shit, cant fux wit that.
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To me, Eazy's personality and voice made him an enjoyable Rapper to listen to. I don't think any of that is really a talent.
knowin how to use your voice and personality on the mic is indeed a talent....for instance, his kids got the same voice. look at the difference.
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Puff gets shit for things that Eazy gets a pass on.
Not from me. Eazy was so weak. Snoop too.
They're the OG versions of Game, letting production carry them the entire way through & just know the right way to ride it...well read someone else's lyrics on how to ride it.
it's called personality, mic presence, flow, delivery, voice control, passion, charm etc......personally, i could never sit through an entire joe budden album, because i much rather hear some simple shit with personality and meaning than some great lyrics with monotone ass flows...if i want great lyrics, ill watch rap battles on youtube....i want shit that slaps, sounds good, rappers who mean what they say, who can rock a mic wit their energy, not just big words that sounds like it's being read off a paper....and that is why eazy-e >>>>>>>>>> joe budden
Pretty much.
You pretty much just summed up 95% of what the mainstream is.
Yet you both hate on every popular act on the industry. ::)
the mainstream sounds like shit though, from production to flows...they on that gay shit, cant fux wit that.
Absolutely not. The top dollar production & flow along with making it catchy for extra appeal is what the mainstream is all about.
Lyrically they suck...just like Eazy...but Eazy had some classic West Coast production & is considered a legend...so he gets a pass. Meek Mill is more lyrical than Eazy-E; it's just not "cool" to hate on Eazy.
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knowin how to use your voice and personality on the mic is indeed a talent....for instance, his kids got the same voice. look at the difference.
I think it was Dre and Cube that really showed Eazy how to use his voice. His personality just came out. The difference I see with his Kids is that they're not working with top notch legends like Dre and Cube.
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knowin how to use your voice and personality on the mic is indeed a talent....for instance, his kids got the same voice. look at the difference.
I think it was Dre and Cube that really showed Eazy how to use his voice. His personality just came out. The difference I see with his Kids is that they're not working with top notch legends like Dre and Cube.
LIL EAZY N E3 ARE DOPE, MAYBE EVEN DOPER THAN EAZY LYRICALLY...BUT THEY DONT HAVE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE SAME CHARISMA AND PRESENCE...DONT MATTER WHERE EAZY WAS TAUGHT IT FROM, HE GOT IT DOWN AND THATS MORE THAN U CAN SAY FOR MOST RAPPERS. HE SOUNDED JUST AS GOOD AFTER THE DEPARTURE OF DRE AND CUBE, AND WHILE I DO AGREE THAT THEY HELPED HIM IN DEVELOPMENT, U GOTTA GIVE EAZY A LOT OF THE CREDIT TOO...HE HAD THAT NATURAL PASSION FOR EVERYTHING, AND THATS RARE.
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Puff gets shit for things that Eazy gets a pass on.
Not from me. Eazy was so weak. Snoop too.
They're the OG versions of Game, letting production carry them the entire way through & just know the right way to ride it...well read someone else's lyrics on how to ride it.
it's called personality, mic presence, flow, delivery, voice control, passion, charm etc......personally, i could never sit through an entire joe budden album, because i much rather hear some simple shit with personality and meaning than some great lyrics with monotone ass flows...if i want great lyrics, ill watch rap battles on youtube....i want shit that slaps, sounds good, rappers who mean what they say, who can rock a mic wit their energy, not just big words that sounds like it's being read off a paper....and that is why eazy-e >>>>>>>>>> joe budden
Pretty much.
You pretty much just summed up 95% of what the mainstream is.
Yet you both hate on every popular act on the industry. ::)
the mainstream sounds like shit though, from production to flows...they on that gay shit, cant fux wit that.
Absolutely not. The top dollar production & flow along with making it catchy for extra appeal is what the mainstream is all about.
Lyrically they suck...just like Eazy...but Eazy had some classic West Coast production & is considered a legend...so he gets a pass. Meek Mill is more lyrical than Eazy-E; it's just not "cool" to hate on Eazy.
THE DIFFERENCE IS MEEK MILL SOUNDS LIKE A FAGGOT WHILE EAZY IS THE PERFECT EMBODIMENT OF A G BEHIND THE MIC...MEANING, U CAN ACTUALLY FEEL WHAT EAZY IS SAYING WHEN HE RAPS IT. SHIT GRABS U......MAYBE NOT FOR U, WE DO GOT DIFFERENT TASTES, BUT FOR ME, ANYTHING EAZY HAS EVER DONE PRETTY MUCH SHITS ON ANYTHING COMIN OUT IN THE MAINSTREAM OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO. A LOT OF IT DOES HAVE 2 DO WITH DOPE PRODUCTION, BUT GIVE ME EAZY E OVER A SIMPLE DRUM LOOP, SPITTIN THAT PASSIONATE GANGSTA SHIT WIT THE DRAGGED OUT WORDS OVER MEEK MILL SPITTIN ON A SLAPPIN BEAT ANY DAY
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LIL EAZY N E3 ARE DOPE, MAYBE EVEN DOPER THAN EAZY LYRICALLY...BUT THEY DONT HAVE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE SAME CHARISMA AND PRESENCE...DONT MATTER WHERE EAZY WAS TAUGHT IT FROM, HE GOT IT DOWN AND THATS MORE THAN U CAN SAY FOR MOST RAPPERS. HE SOUNDED JUST AS GOOD AFTER THE DEPARTURE OF DRE AND CUBE, AND WHILE I DO AGREE THAT THEY HELPED HIM IN DEVELOPMENT, U GOTTA GIVE EAZY A LOT OF THE CREDIT TOO...HE HAD THAT NATURAL PASSION FOR EVERYTHING, AND THATS RARE.
You're a Basketball guy. Some of those Street Ballers are better than many NBA players. But, they don't have right people around them to take those raw skills and turn them into Pro-Level athletes. You can say the same for any artist that is good lyrically, but lacks the rest of the foundation. I can say Eazy was a good student, but I can't say that he was truly skilled.
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LIL EAZY N E3 ARE DOPE, MAYBE EVEN DOPER THAN EAZY LYRICALLY...BUT THEY DONT HAVE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE SAME CHARISMA AND PRESENCE...DONT MATTER WHERE EAZY WAS TAUGHT IT FROM, HE GOT IT DOWN AND THATS MORE THAN U CAN SAY FOR MOST RAPPERS. HE SOUNDED JUST AS GOOD AFTER THE DEPARTURE OF DRE AND CUBE, AND WHILE I DO AGREE THAT THEY HELPED HIM IN DEVELOPMENT, U GOTTA GIVE EAZY A LOT OF THE CREDIT TOO...HE HAD THAT NATURAL PASSION FOR EVERYTHING, AND THATS RARE.
You're a Basketball guy. Some of those Street Ballers are better than many NBA players. But, they don't have right people around them to take those raw skills and turn them into Pro-Level athletes. You can say the same for any artist that is good lyrically, but lacks the rest of the foundation. I can say Eazy was a good student, but I can't say that he was truly skilled.
VERY TRUE...LOTS OF RAW TALENT OUT THERE, NO DOUBT. BUT LIKE U SAID, THEY AINT BEEN DEVELOPED WIT THE RIGHT PEOPLE SURROUNDIN EM. SO WE CAN ONLY JUDGE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE, NOT WHAT THEY CAN BE
BEING ABLE TO LEARN IS A SKILL ON ITS OWN
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Eazy is considered a top five West legend all-time; of course his work will be held in MUCH higher regard.
I'm not even really trying to say that today's mainstream is so much better than him...or better than him at all for that matter. I'm just saying, for someone who just pretty much said just coasting over INCREDIBLE production is better than absolute pure lyricism with less "catch" in the flow, you'd think you'd feel a few mainstream acts.
I guess today just isn't gangsta enough for your triple-OG ass.
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Eazy is considered a top five West legend all-time; of course his work will be held in MUCH higher regard.
I'm not even really trying to say that today's mainstream is so much better than him...or better than him at all for that matter. I'm just saying, for someone who just pretty much said just coasting over INCREDIBLE production is better than absolute pure lyricism with less "catch" in the flow, you'd think you'd feel a few mainstream acts.
I guess today just isn't gangsta enough for your triple-OG ass.
he doesnt just coast through incredible production, tho...thats what u dont get. ud be amazed at how much harder it is to flow with that sorta energy and passion on cue than to sit down and write some lyrical shit and just read it off the paper in rhythm, real spit.
and i do feel some mainstream shit, as long as it's that real shit.. but nowhere close 2 as much as eazy
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VERY TRUE...LOTS OF RAW TALENT OUT THERE, NO DOUBT. BUT LIKE U SAID, THEY AINT BEEN DEVELOPED WIT THE RIGHT PEOPLE SURROUNDIN EM. SO WE CAN ONLY JUDGE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE, NOT WHAT THEY CAN BE
BEING ABLE TO LEARN IS A SKILL ON ITS OWN
We could get into a whole debate on my feelings of "learning" vs "talent." Instead, I'll agree to disagree.
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VERY TRUE...LOTS OF RAW TALENT OUT THERE, NO DOUBT. BUT LIKE U SAID, THEY AINT BEEN DEVELOPED WIT THE RIGHT PEOPLE SURROUNDIN EM. SO WE CAN ONLY JUDGE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE, NOT WHAT THEY CAN BE
BEING ABLE TO LEARN IS A SKILL ON ITS OWN
We could get into a whole debate on my feelings of "learning" vs "talent." Instead, I'll agree to disagree.
u dont think bein able to learn is a talent? some people can never be taught, no matter how hard u try. trust me.