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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on December 26, 2006, 08:18:56 PM
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It wouldn't be Christmas without a Shaq-Kobe feud, and now it seems Phil Jackson wants in on the tradition.
Jackson, who once upon a time seemed to favor his star center over his star shooting guard, on Sunday called out O'Neal, saying he was "the only person I've ever had that hasn't been a worker."
Shaq, who is rarely at a loss for words, was asked about Jackson's comments on Monday following Miami's 101-85 win over O'Neal's former team.
"How can Benedict Arnold be reliable in what he says?" the Big Aristotle was quoted as saying in Tuesday's edition of The Los Angeles Times. O'Neal declined to elaborate on his statement and, since he was in street clothes for the game, was not required to give a formal post-game interview.
O'Neal and Bryant had been feuding since O'Neal's trade to Miami following the 2003-04 season. But last year the two superstars stated publicly that they had reconciled their differences.
Then came Jackson's comments on Sunday.
"He's the one guy that didn't really like to work," said the coach who boasts nine NBA championship rings. "I know Pat [Riley] got him working here in Miami. We had a hard time getting him to work. All the other players -- Michael [Jordan], Scottie [Pippen], Dennis Rodman, all those guys that we had, Horace Grant, they're all hard-working practice and personal work players."
Of course, O'Neal was not the only player Jackson prodded. Speaking about Dwyane Wade, Shaq's new partner in crime and last year's NBA Finals MVP, Jackson said, "He travels on that spin move. He picks up that pivot foot … everybody knows it. Dwyane Wade can cover so much ground when he makes that move. As you know, he can go 20 feet with that spin move and get to the basket."
While Jackson's comments are sure to refuel a media frenzy that was threatening to die down, it did little to help his team, which has lost three of five.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2708333
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It sounds like Phil has a case of the "Now I Knows"
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Watch everyone come in here and call Shaq childish or whatever, yet ignore the fact that he was merely retaliating at what was said about him by Phil.
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Watch everyone come in here and call Shaq childish or whatever, yet ignore the fact that he was merely retaliating at what was said about him by Phil.
oh you already know thats going to happen...no doubt about it
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LOL @ fatboy calling anyone "Benedict Arnold"
BENEDICT RILEY THE BACKSTABBER
Isn't it fascinating how Stan Van Gundy has been censored by Pat Riley? After Riles teamed with Shaq to get Stan fired last season, the organization attempted to put the "Stan wants to spend more time with his family" on the situation....
Of course, Van Gundy had only been in the league 15 years, so there was no way for him to know there would be travel and long stretches away from his family. When he was named head coach of the Heat, it must have been shocking for him to realize all the games weren't played at home....
The most nauseating memory of the press conference announcing Van Gundy's "resignation" was Riles choking back tears as he spoke about his "close friend" stepping down....
That's like the guy releasing the Guillitoine fighting back tears as his "close friend's" head rolled across the floor....
Greg Stoda of the Palm Beach Post has a great column explaining all of this, and it is a must read for anyone who believes Riles and Shaq had nothing to do with Van Gundy leaving and it was simply a matter of Stan missing his family....
These two backstabbers worked together behind the scenes to remove Van Gundy and it's a damn shame the two of them were rewarded with an NBA Championship....
A few days ago, Van Gundy told Stoda he'd be willing to do an interview "if the team agreed to it."....
Say what? Who in the hell is Pat Riley to tell Stan Van Gundy whom he can and cannot interview with? Stan is a grown man and should be free to speak freely about how Riley backstabbed him....
So what if he loses his job as a "consultant?" Van Gundy is respected around the NBA and would find another job the same day. And he could also finally hold his head up with pride again...
What is this, Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union? Benedict Riley is the sole arbiter of whether Stan Van Gundy is allowed to speak?....
Maybe his new name should be Adolf Riley....
Three years ago, Van Gundy did a magnificent job cleaning up Riley's mess and turned a disastrous start into a 42-40 finish, a first round playoff win and nearly a trip to the NBA Finals. And this was with Dwyane Wade, Lamar Odom and Caron Butler, not the Big Ingrate....
The reason for Van Gundy's success? Completely junking Riley's non-sensicle grind-it-out offense and allowing Wade and Co. to get up and down the floor....
Riles quit on his team early right before the season and put his "close friend" in a real bind, but Stan turned a potential disaster into a tremendous coaching job....
The next season, the Heat made the Shaq deal and won 53 games, only to lose to the Pistons in seven games in the Eastern Finals....
Even though he disappeared in the second half of Game Seven, grabbing only two rebounds and playing no defense, the Big Moses ripped into his coach after the game, saying the team lost "because I didn't get the ball enough."....
Instead of defending his "good friend" and telling the Big Excuse" to shut his trap, Riley told the press he was "going to get more involved on the coaching end next season."....
I went on the air ane next afternoon and announced Van Gundy was finished and would be fired "over the summer or early next season."....
Riley wanted to s***-can Van Gundy right away, but the backlash from the media was so strong that he had to back down. He was lambasted for not supporting his coach and was portrayed as a backstabbing weasel out to take Stan's job away....
All of this was true, of course....
Last season, with Shaq injured and the Heat off to a slow start, Benedict Riley saw the opportunity he'd been planning for and fired Van Gundy....
Benedict was green with envy that Van Gundy had won big with a group of players he couldn't win with and wanted to be the coach who won a championship with the Heat....
So it off with Stan's head and Benedict stoel the coaching seat....
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It sounds like Phil has a case of the "Now I Knows"
haha
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LOL @ fatboy calling anyone "Benedict Arnold"
BENEDICT RILEY THE BACKSTABBER
Isn't it fascinating how Stan Van Gundy has been censored by Pat Riley? After Riles teamed with Shaq to get Stan fired last season, the organization attempted to put the "Stan wants to spend more time with his family" on the situation....
Of course, Van Gundy had only been in the league 15 years, so there was no way for him to know there would be travel and long stretches away from his family. When he was named head coach of the Heat, it must have been shocking for him to realize all the games weren't played at home....
The most nauseating memory of the press conference announcing Van Gundy's "resignation" was Riles choking back tears as he spoke about his "close friend" stepping down....
That's like the guy releasing the Guillitoine fighting back tears as his "close friend's" head rolled across the floor....
Greg Stoda of the Palm Beach Post has a great column explaining all of this, and it is a must read for anyone who believes Riles and Shaq had nothing to do with Van Gundy leaving and it was simply a matter of Stan missing his family....
These two backstabbers worked together behind the scenes to remove Van Gundy and it's a damn shame the two of them were rewarded with an NBA Championship....
A few days ago, Van Gundy told Stoda he'd be willing to do an interview "if the team agreed to it."....
Say what? Who in the hell is Pat Riley to tell Stan Van Gundy whom he can and cannot interview with? Stan is a grown man and should be free to speak freely about how Riley backstabbed him....
So what if he loses his job as a "consultant?" Van Gundy is respected around the NBA and would find another job the same day. And he could also finally hold his head up with pride again...
What is this, Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union? Benedict Riley is the sole arbiter of whether Stan Van Gundy is allowed to speak?....
Maybe his new name should be Adolf Riley....
Three years ago, Van Gundy did a magnificent job cleaning up Riley's mess and turned a disastrous start into a 42-40 finish, a first round playoff win and nearly a trip to the NBA Finals. And this was with Dwyane Wade, Lamar Odom and Caron Butler, not the Big Ingrate....
The reason for Van Gundy's success? Completely junking Riley's non-sensicle grind-it-out offense and allowing Wade and Co. to get up and down the floor....
Riles quit on his team early right before the season and put his "close friend" in a real bind, but Stan turned a potential disaster into a tremendous coaching job....
The next season, the Heat made the Shaq deal and won 53 games, only to lose to the Pistons in seven games in the Eastern Finals....
Even though he disappeared in the second half of Game Seven, grabbing only two rebounds and playing no defense, the Big Moses ripped into his coach after the game, saying the team lost "because I didn't get the ball enough."....
Instead of defending his "good friend" and telling the Big Excuse" to shut his trap, Riley told the press he was "going to get more involved on the coaching end next season."....
I went on the air ane next afternoon and announced Van Gundy was finished and would be fired "over the summer or early next season."....
Riley wanted to s***-can Van Gundy right away, but the backlash from the media was so strong that he had to back down. He was lambasted for not supporting his coach and was portrayed as a backstabbing weasel out to take Stan's job away....
All of this was true, of course....
Last season, with Shaq injured and the Heat off to a slow start, Benedict Riley saw the opportunity he'd been planning for and fired Van Gundy....
Benedict was green with envy that Van Gundy had won big with a group of players he couldn't win with and wanted to be the coach who won a championship with the Heat....
So it off with Stan's head and Benedict stoel the coaching seat....
Nice strawman argument.
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Watch everyone come in here and call Shaq childish or whatever, yet ignore the fact that he was merely retaliating at what was said about him by Phil.
oh you already know thats going to happen...no doubt about it
I think Phil should keep his mouth shut and so should Shaq..But i guarantee you Shaq was lazy as fuck in pratice, yall cant deny that shit..But no Reason for Phil to be talking about Shaq and vice versa, just let it go
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It sounds like Phil has a case of the "Now I Knows"
what does that mean? ???
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Shaq's comments are always funny, but not really interesting.
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Shaq acts like he was the best thing that happened to Phil carreer, isn't it the contrary ? :-X
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Why don't you play a few games before you start saying ANYTHING, Snaq? Only reason Shaq even knew about that Benedict reference was because he read about Benedict Riley on ESPN. Love who you're with, right Shaquille?
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Shaq thinks he is alot smarter than he really is. But honestly I am sick of hearing about all this, its time everyone moves on, it is getting real old.
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It's mind games. Phil is the master of it, but this time his comments sound like some taking shots type shit. But he did the same to Kobe when he was not coaching. NBA- NOTHING BUT ACTORS. ;)
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Watch everyone come in here and call Shaq childish or whatever, yet ignore the fact that he was merely retaliating at what was said about him by Phil.
Can you read? Phil is 10x the person Shaq will ever be, he was merely speaking truth... Shaq, being the child he is, retaliated with a personal diss and name-calling. What's new though? He's always been known as an overgrown, immature baby...PeACe
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Watch everyone come in here and call Shaq childish or whatever, yet ignore the fact that he was merely retaliating at what was said about him by Phil.
oh you already know thats going to happen...no doubt about it
I think Phil should keep his mouth shut and so should Shaq..But i guarantee you Shaq was lazy as fuck in pratice, yall cant deny that shit..But no Reason for Phil to be talking about Shaq and vice versa, just let it go
Well, Phil was simply asked about Shaq's work-ethic and all he did was say what everyone already knew. Everything I've been saying on this board for the past 3 years, the 100% truth...Shaq just got butt-hurt that Phil didn't lie for him to make him look good and retalitated with a childish diss against the man who made his career. Not enough he had to say "Pat Riley was the greatest coach I ever had" last season, but now he takes direct shots too. Very immature person. still obviously mad/jealous that Phil is back with Kobe...PeACe
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Well I do not know too many people that would take Phil's comments as a compliment. There is truth to what he was saying, but it is the way he said it. Shaq could have took the high road like Arenas did with Kobe and maybe yell Subway or something when he is shooting like Gilbert now yells quality shots. ;D But yeah Shaq was and still is overweight, but everyone takes comments differently. Phil seems to have no problem finding the nearest camera or bookstand to air out former players of his lately.
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Now that I think about it Shaq and Kobe do the same thing. Jim Gray is like Kobe's personal Ahmad Rashad for dropping exclusives and Shaq did the whole Godfather analogy on tv also so all of them need to L.I.G. it and grow up.
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^^I really don't think Phil is trying to take shots, Phil just answers questions honestly and speaks his mind, and bitches get offended...I guess the truth hurts...PeACe
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Must not have been too bad of a flaw, still helped Phil win 3 titles. My point is why bring it up. I am sure there are things about MJ and Scottie that Phil did not like, but you don't hear shit about it. Just like you said, you take the high road. But they are all guilty of it.
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Must not have been too bad of a flaw, still helped Phil win 3 titles. My point is why bring it up. I am sure there are things about MJ and Scottie that Phil did not like, but you don't hear shit about it. Just like you said, you take the high road. But they are all guilty of it.
Dude, Shaq was ALWAYS known for being terrible with conditioning, showing up to camp fat and out of shape, eating Big Macs before games, taking extensive time off mid-season for petty injuries to heal, etc.... we coulda' won 10 championships in a row if Shaq had HALF the work-ethic Kobe has...Phil has every right to speak truth when he is asked questions about it...PeACe
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Like I said, L.I.G. it. Shaq does not play for Phil anymore and he is not Kobe's teammate. The shit is old. It's old when Shaq was saying comments about Kobe. Kobe after a while just took the high road and did not comment on it. Shaq and Phil could have done the same thing. Shaq could have just said no comment. This shit is like a soap opera. The honeymoon for them has been over.
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Like I said, L.I.G. it. Shaq does not play for Phil anymore and he is not Kobe's teammate. The shit is old. It's old when Shaq was saying comments about Kobe. Kobe after a while just took the high road and did not comment on it. Shaq and Phil could have done the same thing. Shaq could have just said no comment. This shit is like a soap opera. The honeymoon for them has been over.
Yea, Shaq shoulda' just sucked it up and said "he's right, I was terrible at conditioning and keeping myself in shape for the season when I played for him" like a man, instead of name-calling and dissing like a child...Some people just really need to grow up and look at shit from a more logical perspective...PeACe
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LOL
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Like I said, L.I.G. it. Shaq does not play for Phil anymore and he is not Kobe's teammate. The shit is old. It's old when Shaq was saying comments about Kobe. Kobe after a while just took the high road and did not comment on it. Shaq and Phil could have done the same thing. Shaq could have just said no comment. This shit is like a soap opera. The honeymoon for them has been over.
Yea, Shaq shoulda' just sucked it up and said "he's right, I was terrible at conditioning and keeping myself in shape for the season when I played for him" like a man, instead of name-calling and dissing like a child...Some people just really need to grow up and look at shit from a more logical perspective...PeACe
I do agree. It's Shaq who's acting like a kid. Phil didn't diss him with those name-calling childish jokes: he was asked who gave him more problems in his career and he said Shaq. And i think it's real sinceTex Winter said it too, before him. Plus everybody knows Shaq wasn't in shape. What's the big deal? Truth hurts?
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I'm impressed, Shaq has all those rings and is one of the best big men ever and he's not even applying himself or trying? That's a compliment.
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^^Exactly...Dude coulda gone down as undisputedly the greatest big man to ever play the game if he applied himself. It's just a damn shame that he feels the need to diss because it's being pointed out...
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shaq is the best big man ever IMO. if that's the worst phil can say about him i'm can't hate on him for that, that's just phil. when he calls people out like that you take it with a grain of salt , it's all fodder to fuel his players.
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Phil just loves to talk shit sometimes, don't get me wrong i think Phil is a great coach and he perfected the triangle offense but a couple years ago he was dissing kobe hard and now he's all over kobe's nuts, it's crazy.
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Tex Winter, a person i trust more than Phil (because he doesn't play those mind games), said the same thing about Shaq a lot of times. Even after Phil made that book.
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Watch everyone come in here and call Shaq childish or whatever, yet ignore the fact that he was merely retaliating at what was said about him by Phil.
oh you already know thats going to happen...no doubt about it
I think Phil should keep his mouth shut and so should Shaq..But i guarantee you Shaq was lazy as fuck in pratice, yall cant deny that shit..But no Reason for Phil to be talking about Shaq and vice versa, just let it go
Well, Phil was simply asked about Shaq's work-ethic and all he did was say what everyone already knew. Everything I've been saying on this board for the past 3 years, the 100% truth...Shaq just got butt-hurt that Phil didn't lie for him to make him look good and retalitated with a childish diss against the man who made his career. Not enough he had to say "Pat Riley was the greatest coach I ever had" last season, but now he takes direct shots too. Very immature person. still obviously mad/jealous that Phil is back with Kobe...PeACe
oh, i was thinking Phil brought it up out of nowhere.
And nobody can deny Shaq's laziness..you can see it his game now and you could see it when he played with the Lakers
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shaq is the best big man ever IMO. if that's the worst phil can say about him i'm can't hate on him for that, that's just phil. when he calls people out like that you take it with a grain of salt , it's all fodder to fuel his players.
You're seriously trying to deny Shaq's terrible conditioning? LMAO.
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LMAO...Let me tell you something, you guys who are questioning why Phil said this seriously need to read not just Laker books, but plain old basketball books. Everyone and their momma knows Shaq's work-ethic has always been terrible, and he won't deny it himself...Dude would take the whole summer off, then show up to camp fat and out of shape, eat whatever the fuck he wants during the season, never trained, kicked back during practices, takes time off for injuries that are made up and/or exaggerated (because he got "injured on company time" and he's gunna "heal on company time"). This shit is KNOWN, Phil was just reminding everyone why Shaq was incapable of playing on Christmas...
And LOL@Shaq being the greatest big ever. I guess you can argue that, but today on the radio all the analysts were agreeing on how Shaq coulda' been the greatest EVER. I dunno if I'd go that far, but he definitely coulda' had an unfuckwitable resume...PeACe
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LMAO...Let me tell you something, you guys who are questioning why Phil said this seriously need to read not just Laker books, but plain old basketball books. Everyone and their momma knows Shaq's work-ethic has always been terrible, and he won't deny it himself...Dude would take the whole summer off, then show up to camp fat and out of shape, eat whatever the fuck he wants during the season, never trained, kicked back during practices, takes time off for injuries that are made up and/or exaggerated (because he got "injured on company time" and he's gunna "heal on company time"). This shit is KNOWN, Phil was just reminding everyone why Shaq was incapable of playing on Christmas...
And LOL@Shaq being the greatest big ever. I guess you can argue that, but today on the radio all the analysts were agreeing on how Shaq coulda' been the greatest EVER. I dunno if I'd go that far, but he definitely coulda' had an unfuckwitable resume...PeACe
let's not forget his annual november-january vacations.
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shaq is the best big man ever IMO. if that's the worst phil can say about him i'm can't hate on him for that, that's just phil. when he calls people out like that you take it with a grain of salt , it's all fodder to fuel his players.
You're seriously trying to deny Shaq's terrible conditioning? LMAO.
get off my nuts
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i wonder if you laker fans would be talking your shit about Shaq's work ethics if he were still with the Lakers and Kobe winning some more rings
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Y'all are missing the fucking point. Shaq gets 20+ millions per year from his team not to act in the movies or to make rap albums, but to be the best athlete possible. It means he should act professional, live a life like a sportman does, get a diet, go to training, be in shape, work in the gym, he shouldn't drink, shouldn't smoke, etc.. I dunno what you guys are talking about defending him. That's how he should have acted in his Lakers days: like a true professional man. The fact that he's a good bball player (see: his fat ass can't be stopped) doesn't mean shit. He's paid to live like an athlete, to improve and to give 100% of himself every fucking game! He didn't. Point. Yeah he won titles, but that can't be an excuse. And that can't stop Phil from saying Shaq wasn't professional.
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I was never a big Shaq fan even when he was with the Lakers. Go back in history on a few Lakers boards and you can see for yourself. His free throw shooting and lazy pick and roll defense was a major liability to the team. Not to mention his shitty conditioning and poor work ethic. Only reason he is even considered as GOAT at Center is because of the era he played in. Hakeem completely humiliated him in the Finals when he was with the Magic, after that there were really no young big men that could D him up. Yao is reaching his peak and Shaq is and has been on the decline, so its unfair to judge that matchup. But for what its worth, in their head-to-head this year, Yao embarrassed his ass. I was all for a Shaq for Garnett trade several years back. If that would have happened the whole state of the league would be completely different right now. Shaq just butters the media up and is a likeable guy that acts goofy and shit, so the media and unknowing fans eat his shit up by the shovel-full. Once you get past his bullshit, you see what a hypocrite and moron the guy really is.
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How come the Media & the Dickriders never talk about Shaq yelling @ Dr. Buss during a pre-season game?...After a dunk shaq turned to Dr. Buss & yelled "You gonna pay me now muthefucka"...what kinda shit is that....fuck shaq!
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shaq is the best big man ever IMO. if that's the worst phil can say about him i'm can't hate on him for that, that's just phil. when he calls people out like that you take it with a grain of salt , it's all fodder to fuel his players.
You're seriously trying to deny Shaq's terrible conditioning? LMAO.
get off my nuts
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yall cant hate on shaq in his prime he was hella good but yall gotta admit dat now he fell off
dat nigga is old n washed up like jigga
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shaq is the best big man ever IMO. if that's the worst phil can say about him i'm can't hate on him for that, that's just phil. when he calls people out like that you take it with a grain of salt , it's all fodder to fuel his players.
You're seriously trying to deny Shaq's terrible conditioning? LMAO.
get off my nuts
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get off my dick
shaq=mvp and 4 rings
kobe=0 mvps and no rings without kobe
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LMFAO @ shaq catchin feelings
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yall cant hate on shaq in his prime he was hella good but yall gotta admit dat now he fell off
dat nigga is old n washed up like jigga
He was searching for a big contract.
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shaq is the best big man ever IMO. if that's the worst phil can say about him i'm can't hate on him for that, that's just phil. when he calls people out like that you take it with a grain of salt , it's all fodder to fuel his players.
You're seriously trying to deny Shaq's terrible conditioning? LMAO.
get off my nuts
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get off my dick
shaq=mvp and 4 rings
kobe=0 mvps and no rings without kobe
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Jake=Heat fan
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^lol
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he was robbed of the M.V.P last season.just like hell prob get robbed this season also >:(
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shaq is the best big man ever IMO. if that's the worst phil can say about him i'm can't hate on him for that, that's just phil. when he calls people out like that you take it with a grain of salt , it's all fodder to fuel his players.
You're seriously trying to deny Shaq's terrible conditioning? LMAO.
get off my nuts
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get off my dick
shaq=mvp and 4 rings
kobe=0 mvps and no rings without kobe
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Jake=Heat fan
Man i got your back about tha racist shit, but don't do the same to him, c'mon. >:(
Poor guy.
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I would never stoop to his level, but you can't deny, dude does act like a Heat fan...PeACe
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Man that's an horrible racist diss right there. :laugh:
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oh i see how the world works now, i don't like kobe but like shaq so i must be a heat fan, wow good logic
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oh i see how the world works now, i don't like kobe but like shaq so i must be a heat fan, wow good logic
No, but that's another reason that you could never be considered a good Laker fan. You don't like your franchise player, yet you're in love with the self-proclaimed franchise nemesis. Admit one thing, Jake, you like Shaq as a player more than you like the Lakers, you always have...Saying you don't like Kobe and being a Laker fan is like saying you don't like Magic in the 80's and being a Laker fan or saying you don't like Jordan in the 90's and being a Bulls fan...It just doesn't work.
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Jacob are you saying you don't like Kobe as a player?? Did i read it well??
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Jacob are you saying you don't like Kobe as a player?? Did i read it well??
LMAO. You just figured this now?
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I just wanna be sure about it. I mean are you talking about the person (if so it's not "that" dramatic) or the player? Cause i've never said something like that before, but if somebody doesn't like (which is different than "hate") Kobe Bryant as a player i believe he's just a troll spamming on the forum to get some attention. It's impossible: it's like saying you don't like Federer, or Tiger Woods, or Valentino Rossi, or Schumacher, or Ronaldinho, ecc.. Kobe is arguably the best player in the NBA at the moment. In the top5 for damn sure even if you are a Laker hater. But to say you don't like him............. no.... it's impossible.
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Shaq has 4 rings but has always been lazy as fuck..Cmon Jacob you know this, we all know this! ;)
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I just wanna be sure about it. I mean are you talking about the person (if so it's not "that" dramatic) or the player? Cause i've never said something like that before, but if somebody doesn't like (which is different than "hate") Kobe Bryant as a player i believe he's just a troll spamming on the forum to get some attention. It's impossible: it's like saying you don't like Federer, or Tiger Woods, or Valentino Rossi, or Schumacher, or Ronaldinho, ecc.. Kobe is arguably the best player in the NBA at the moment. In the top5 for damn sure even if you are a Laker hater. But to say you don't like him............. no.... it's impossible.
Dude's been a Laker hater/Shaq supporter ever since the Kobe/Shaq split, he's just had a really hard time admitting it...But it's impossible to hide shit like that, can't you see he's cracking? He did it this summer too...HORRIBLE "fan", it embarasses me that he even claims the team. Shit, Baby G of this board is die-hard compared to him...PeACe
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oh i see how the world works now, i don't like kobe but like shaq so i must be a heat fan, wow good logic
No, but that's another reason that you could never be considered a good Laker fan. You don't like your franchise player, yet you're in love with the self-proclaimed franchise nemesis. Admit one thing, Jake, you like Shaq as a player more than you like the Lakers, you always have...Saying you don't like Kobe and being a Laker fan is like saying you don't like Magic in the 80's and being a Laker fan or saying you don't like Jordan in the 90's and being a Bulls fan...It just doesn't work.
that's the dumbest logic ever. that's what people who like players and not the game say.
so you mean to tell me that philly fans should like andre miller and hate iverson?
so you mean to tell me that raptor fans must like bosh and hate vince carter
so you mean to tell me bulls must like ben wallace and hate ron artest
so you mean to tell me cowboys fans should have hated emmitt smith and loved eddie george
so you mean to tell me 49er fans should have hated joe montanna and loved steve young
so you mean to tell me 49er fans should have loved tim rattay and hated jeff garcia?
the answer to all these are no!
there is no standard for what a fan must like and must hate.
dean smith didn't exactly LOOOOOVE showtime and he's a long long time laker fan.
i'm not an expert on bulls basketball but it is possible that there could be bulls fan who disliked jordan
the lakers have been around since before kobe and will be around after. until kobe wins a playoff series or a championship under his leadership, he's just another player on my team between shaq's championship teams and whoever comes along later down the line and wins a championship for us.
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Shaq has 4 rings but has always been lazy as fuck..Cmon Jacob you know this, we all know this! ;)
having the career stats, mvps, mvp candidacies, all star appearances, and championships he has being considered one of the-if-not-thee-best center of all time is pretty impressive for this proclaimed fat lazy sloth he's painted out to be
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oh i see how the world works now, i don't like kobe but like shaq so i must be a heat fan, wow good logic
No, but that's another reason that you could never be considered a good Laker fan. You don't like your franchise player, yet you're in love with the self-proclaimed franchise nemesis. Admit one thing, Jake, you like Shaq as a player more than you like the Lakers, you always have...Saying you don't like Kobe and being a Laker fan is like saying you don't like Magic in the 80's and being a Laker fan or saying you don't like Jordan in the 90's and being a Bulls fan...It just doesn't work.
that's the dumbest logic ever. that's what people who like players and not the game say.
so you mean to tell me that philly fans should like andre miller and hate iverson?
so you mean to tell me that raptor fans must like bosh and hate vince carter
so you mean to tell me bulls must like ben wallace and hate ron artest
so you mean to tell me cowboys fans should have hated emmitt smith and loved eddie george
so you mean to tell me 49er fans should have hated joe montanna and loved steve young
so you mean to tell me 49er fans should have loved tim rattay and hated jeff garcia?
the answer to all these are no!
there is no standard for what a fan must like and must hate.
dean smith didn't exactly LOOOOOVE showtime and he's a long long time laker fan.
i'm not an expert on bulls basketball but it is possible that there could be bulls fan who disliked jordan
the lakers have been around since before kobe and will be around after. until kobe wins a playoff series or a championship under his leadership, he's just another player on my team between shaq's championship teams and whoever comes along later down the line and wins a championship for us.
Read what I said...That's not the reason you're a Heat fan...Answer the question. You like/identify with Shaq more than you like/identify the Lakers, true or false? Don't lie...
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I just wanna be sure about it. I mean are you talking about the person (if so it's not "that" dramatic) or the player? Cause i've never said something like that before, but if somebody doesn't like (which is different than "hate") Kobe Bryant as a player i believe he's just a troll spamming on the forum to get some attention. It's impossible: it's like saying you don't like Federer, or Tiger Woods, or Valentino Rossi, or Schumacher, or Ronaldinho, ecc.. Kobe is arguably the best player in the NBA at the moment. In the top5 for damn sure even if you are a Laker hater. But to say you don't like him............. no.... it's impossible.
Dude's been a Laker hater/Shaq supporter ever since the Kobe/Shaq split, he's just had a really hard time admitting it...But it's impossible to hide shit like that, can't you see he's cracking? He did it this summer too...HORRIBLE "fan", it embarasses me that he even claims the team. Shit, Baby G of this board is die-hard compared to him...PeACe
why are you such a hypocrit? can this not be considered , riding thine nuts.
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oh i see how the world works now, i don't like kobe but like shaq so i must be a heat fan, wow good logic
No, but that's another reason that you could never be considered a good Laker fan. You don't like your franchise player, yet you're in love with the self-proclaimed franchise nemesis. Admit one thing, Jake, you like Shaq as a player more than you like the Lakers, you always have...Saying you don't like Kobe and being a Laker fan is like saying you don't like Magic in the 80's and being a Laker fan or saying you don't like Jordan in the 90's and being a Bulls fan...It just doesn't work.
that's the dumbest logic ever. that's what people who like players and not the game say.
so you mean to tell me that philly fans should like andre miller and hate iverson?
so you mean to tell me that raptor fans must like bosh and hate vince carter
so you mean to tell me bulls must like ben wallace and hate ron artest
so you mean to tell me cowboys fans should have hated emmitt smith and loved eddie george
so you mean to tell me 49er fans should have hated joe montanna and loved steve young
so you mean to tell me 49er fans should have loved tim rattay and hated jeff garcia?
the answer to all these are no!
there is no standard for what a fan must like and must hate.
dean smith didn't exactly LOOOOOVE showtime and he's a long long time laker fan.
i'm not an expert on bulls basketball but it is possible that there could be bulls fan who disliked jordan
the lakers have been around since before kobe and will be around after. until kobe wins a playoff series or a championship under his leadership, he's just another player on my team between shaq's championship teams and whoever comes along later down the line and wins a championship for us.
Read what I said...That's not the reason you're a Heat fan...Answer the question. You like/identify with Shaq more than you like/identify the Lakers, true or false? Don't lie...
apples and oranges shaq is not a team, the lakers are not a player
my favorite player is shaquille o'neal
my favorite team is the lakers
you know it IS possible to like player who doesn't play for your team
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I just wanna be sure about it. I mean are you talking about the person (if so it's not "that" dramatic) or the player? Cause i've never said something like that before, but if somebody doesn't like (which is different than "hate") Kobe Bryant as a player i believe he's just a troll spamming on the forum to get some attention. It's impossible: it's like saying you don't like Federer, or Tiger Woods, or Valentino Rossi, or Schumacher, or Ronaldinho, ecc.. Kobe is arguably the best player in the NBA at the moment. In the top5 for damn sure even if you are a Laker hater. But to say you don't like him............. no.... it's impossible.
Dude's been a Laker hater/Shaq supporter ever since the Kobe/Shaq split, he's just had a really hard time admitting it...But it's impossible to hide shit like that, can't you see he's cracking? He did it this summer too...HORRIBLE "fan", it embarasses me that he even claims the team. Shit, Baby G of this board is die-hard compared to him...PeACe
why are you such a hypocrit? can this not be considered , riding thine nuts.
No, I'm just making a point...Riding nuts would be like when you have nothing to say and try making up for it by calling me Herschel...
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oh i see how the world works now, i don't like kobe but like shaq so i must be a heat fan, wow good logic
No, but that's another reason that you could never be considered a good Laker fan. You don't like your franchise player, yet you're in love with the self-proclaimed franchise nemesis. Admit one thing, Jake, you like Shaq as a player more than you like the Lakers, you always have...Saying you don't like Kobe and being a Laker fan is like saying you don't like Magic in the 80's and being a Laker fan or saying you don't like Jordan in the 90's and being a Bulls fan...It just doesn't work.
that's the dumbest logic ever. that's what people who like players and not the game say.
so you mean to tell me that philly fans should like andre miller and hate iverson?
so you mean to tell me that raptor fans must like bosh and hate vince carter
so you mean to tell me bulls must like ben wallace and hate ron artest
so you mean to tell me cowboys fans should have hated emmitt smith and loved eddie george
so you mean to tell me 49er fans should have hated joe montanna and loved steve young
so you mean to tell me 49er fans should have loved tim rattay and hated jeff garcia?
the answer to all these are no!
there is no standard for what a fan must like and must hate.
dean smith didn't exactly LOOOOOVE showtime and he's a long long time laker fan.
i'm not an expert on bulls basketball but it is possible that there could be bulls fan who disliked jordan
the lakers have been around since before kobe and will be around after. until kobe wins a playoff series or a championship under his leadership, he's just another player on my team between shaq's championship teams and whoever comes along later down the line and wins a championship for us.
Read what I said...That's not the reason you're a Heat fan...Answer the question. You like/identify with Shaq more than you like/identify the Lakers, true or false? Don't lie...
apples and oranges shaq is not a team, the lakers are not a player
my favorite player is shaquille o'neal
my favorite team is the lakers
you know it IS possible to like player who doesn't play for your team
I won't call you a Heat fan if it'll put you at ease, but you can't change what people think though...
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I just wanna be sure about it. I mean are you talking about the person (if so it's not "that" dramatic) or the player? Cause i've never said something like that before, but if somebody doesn't like (which is different than "hate") Kobe Bryant as a player i believe he's just a troll spamming on the forum to get some attention. It's impossible: it's like saying you don't like Federer, or Tiger Woods, or Valentino Rossi, or Schumacher, or Ronaldinho, ecc.. Kobe is arguably the best player in the NBA at the moment. In the top5 for damn sure even if you are a Laker hater. But to say you don't like him............. no.... it's impossible.
Dude's been a Laker hater/Shaq supporter ever since the Kobe/Shaq split, he's just had a really hard time admitting it...But it's impossible to hide shit like that, can't you see he's cracking? He did it this summer too...HORRIBLE "fan", it embarasses me that he even claims the team. Shit, Baby G of this board is die-hard compared to him...PeACe
why are you such a hypocrit? can this not be considered , riding thine nuts.
No, I'm just making a point...Riding nuts would be like when you have nothing to say and try making up for it by calling me Herschel...
like i said quit riding my nuts
p.s. me calling you herschel is more accurate than you calling me a heat fan,lol
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Shaq has 4 rings but has always been lazy as fuck..Cmon Jacob you know this, we all know this! ;)
having the career stats, mvps, mvp candidacies, all star appearances, and championships he has being considered one of the-if-not-thee-best center of all time is pretty impressive for this proclaimed fat lazy sloth he's painted out to be
LMAO. Man, you'll never get it..."painted out to be"...LOLLLL.
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I just wanna be sure about it. I mean are you talking about the person (if so it's not "that" dramatic) or the player? Cause i've never said something like that before, but if somebody doesn't like (which is different than "hate") Kobe Bryant as a player i believe he's just a troll spamming on the forum to get some attention. It's impossible: it's like saying you don't like Federer, or Tiger Woods, or Valentino Rossi, or Schumacher, or Ronaldinho, ecc.. Kobe is arguably the best player in the NBA at the moment. In the top5 for damn sure even if you are a Laker hater. But to say you don't like him............. no.... it's impossible.
Dude's been a Laker hater/Shaq supporter ever since the Kobe/Shaq split, he's just had a really hard time admitting it...But it's impossible to hide shit like that, can't you see he's cracking? He did it this summer too...HORRIBLE "fan", it embarasses me that he even claims the team. Shit, Baby G of this board is die-hard compared to him...PeACe
why are you such a hypocrit? can this not be considered , riding thine nuts.
No, I'm just making a point...Riding nuts would be like when you have nothing to say and try making up for it by calling me Herschel...
like i said quit riding my nuts
p.s. me calling you herschel is more accurate than you calling me a heat fan,lol
Okay, I'll stop riding your nuts embarassing you now...
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oh i see how the world works now, i don't like kobe but like shaq so i must be a heat fan, wow good logic
No, but that's another reason that you could never be considered a good Laker fan. You don't like your franchise player, yet you're in love with the self-proclaimed franchise nemesis. Admit one thing, Jake, you like Shaq as a player more than you like the Lakers, you always have...Saying you don't like Kobe and being a Laker fan is like saying you don't like Magic in the 80's and being a Laker fan or saying you don't like Jordan in the 90's and being a Bulls fan...It just doesn't work.
that's the dumbest logic ever. that's what people who like players and not the game say.
so you mean to tell me that philly fans should like andre miller and hate iverson?
so you mean to tell me that raptor fans must like bosh and hate vince carter
so you mean to tell me bulls must like ben wallace and hate ron artest
so you mean to tell me cowboys fans should have hated emmitt smith and loved eddie george
so you mean to tell me 49er fans should have hated joe montanna and loved steve young
so you mean to tell me 49er fans should have loved tim rattay and hated jeff garcia?
the answer to all these are no!
there is no standard for what a fan must like and must hate.
dean smith didn't exactly LOOOOOVE showtime and he's a long long time laker fan.
i'm not an expert on bulls basketball but it is possible that there could be bulls fan who disliked jordan
the lakers have been around since before kobe and will be around after. until kobe wins a playoff series or a championship under his leadership, he's just another player on my team between shaq's championship teams and whoever comes along later down the line and wins a championship for us.
Read what I said...That's not the reason you're a Heat fan...Answer the question. You like/identify with Shaq more than you like/identify the Lakers, true or false? Don't lie...
apples and oranges shaq is not a team, the lakers are not a player
my favorite player is shaquille o'neal
my favorite team is the lakers
you know it IS possible to like player who doesn't play for your team
I won't call you a Heat fan if it'll put you at ease, but you can't change what people think though...
i could care less what people think. if i did then taht would mean i'm not secure with what i like
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Then why are you defending yourself so much? LOL@Jacob the liar.
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I just wanna be sure about it. I mean are you talking about the person (if so it's not "that" dramatic) or the player? Cause i've never said something like that before, but if somebody doesn't like (which is different than "hate") Kobe Bryant as a player i believe he's just a troll spamming on the forum to get some attention. It's impossible: it's like saying you don't like Federer, or Tiger Woods, or Valentino Rossi, or Schumacher, or Ronaldinho, ecc.. Kobe is arguably the best player in the NBA at the moment. In the top5 for damn sure even if you are a Laker hater. But to say you don't like him............. no.... it's impossible.
Dude's been a Laker hater/Shaq supporter ever since the Kobe/Shaq split, he's just had a really hard time admitting it...But it's impossible to hide shit like that, can't you see he's cracking? He did it this summer too...HORRIBLE "fan", it embarasses me that he even claims the team. Shit, Baby G of this board is die-hard compared to him...PeACe
why are you such a hypocrit? can this not be considered , riding thine nuts.
No, I'm just making a point...Riding nuts would be like when you have nothing to say and try making up for it by calling me Herschel...
like i said quit riding my nuts
p.s. me calling you herschel is more accurate than you calling me a heat fan,lol
Okay, I'll stop riding your nuts embarassing you now...
how are you embarrassing me? lol like i said you have no proof that warrants me being a heat fan....which isn't THAT bad of a diss even if it was true. you embarrass yourself more by being a hypocrit, doing what you've been bitching about other people doing.
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Then why are you defending yourself so much? LOL@Jacob the liar.
i was defending myself ,lol ok. i thought we were arguing over shaq/kobe,lol like i said i welcome you to take an open swipe at me and try to proove i'm a heat fan.
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All the Laker fans in here already know what I'm talking about, and if you don't care what they think, then just drop it...PeACe
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All the Laker fans in here already know what I'm talking about, and if you don't care what they think, then just drop it...PeACe
fine
but still
shaq on the magic > magic without shaq
shaq on the lakers (the past 15 years)> the lakers without shaq
shaq on the heat (the past 7 years) > the heat without shaq
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All the Laker fans in here already know what I'm talking about, and if you don't care what they think, then just drop it...PeACe
fine
but still
shaq on the magic > magic without shaq
shaq on the lakers (the past 15 years)> the lakers without shaq
shaq on the heat (the past 7 years) > the heat without shaq
What are you talking about? Every team without a good player is worse than the same team with that good player, lmao.
horry on the lakers > lakers without horry
fisher on the lakers > lakers without fisher
bryant on the lakers > lakers without bryant
fox on the lakers > lakers without fox
phil on the lakers > lakers without phil
etc..
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^it's a damn shame no one stayed when shaq left and phil quit
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LOL. Ask Fisher, he WISHES he stayed...
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^it's a damn shame no one stayed when shaq left and phil quit
Actually........
Phil quitted because Buss wasn't giving him 10mils per year.
Horry went to S.A. because his daughter has huge phisycal problems and he wanted to stay close to home.
Fox retired (and we traded him to Boston anyway)
Fisher wanted to stay badly, but getting a 6 mils per year contract in Oakland is something you can't refuse.
Bryant stayed.
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Shaq has 4 rings but has always been lazy as fuck..Cmon Jacob you know this, we all know this! ;)
having the career stats, mvps, mvp candidacies, all star appearances, and championships he has being considered one of the-if-not-thee-best center of all time is pretty impressive for this proclaimed fat lazy sloth he's painted out to be
i agree... ;)
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fuck shaq ! :)