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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: MOBNigga06 on October 28, 2013, 08:42:21 PM
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I have a theory based on some observations:
1) The beats attributed to Daz on All Eyez on Me are some of the greatest beats in the history of rap music.
2) Daz has produced nothing even remotely comparable in quality since All Eyez On Me.
3) Quik's contract with Priority limited the amount of work he was officially allowed to do for Death Row, so he worked under the table and produced under other peoples' names.
4) Skandalouz definitely sounds like a DJ Quik beat. It sounds like no other beat Daz ever produced.
5) I Ain't Mad At Cha samples DeBarge. This is sophisticated music, the sort of stuff Quik makes. It sounds like no other Daz beat.
My theory: all of the beats on All Eyez On Me that are attributed to Daz are actually beats by DJ Quik. Daz was listed as producer because of Quik's contract with Priority.
This is the only theory that makes sense. No producer has ever made such high quality beats and then made nothing similar. Daz hasn't made a track like Skandalouz or I Ain't Mad At Cha since 1996. Quik, on the other hand, has never fallen off, and is still a genius producer to this day.
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I have a theory based on some observations:
1) The beats attributed to Daz on All Eyez on Me are some of the greatest beats in the history of rap music.
2) Daz has produced nothing even remotely comparable in quality since All Eyez On Me.
3) Quik's contract with Priority limited the amount of work he was officially allowed to do for Death Row, so he worked under the table and produced under other peoples' names.
4) Skandalouz definitely sounds like a DJ Quik beat. It sounds like no other beat Daz ever produced.
5) I Ain't Mad At Cha samples DeBarge. This is sophisticated music, the sort of stuff Quik makes. It sounds like no other Daz beat.
My theory: all of the beats on All Eyez On Me that are attributed to Daz are actually beats by DJ Quik. Daz was listed as producer because of Quik's contract with Priority.
This is the only theory that makes sense. No producer has ever made such high quality beats and then made nothing similar. Daz hasn't made a track like Skandalouz or I Ain't Mad At Cha since 1996. Quik, on the other hand, has never fallen off, and is still a genius producer to this day.
All very good points. And it wouldn't be the first time Daz proudly accepted credit for another prodjucers work (something he hated Dre for doing ironically). But its not like Daz will ever admit it or Quik will ever accuse him so...
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I have a theory based on some observations:
1) The beats attributed to Daz on All Eyez on Me are some of the greatest beats in the history of rap music.
2) Daz has produced nothing even remotely comparable in quality since All Eyez On Me.
3) Quik's contract with Priority limited the amount of work he was officially allowed to do for Death Row, so he worked under the table and produced under other peoples' names.
4) Skandalouz definitely sounds like a DJ Quik beat. It sounds like no other beat Daz ever produced.
5) I Ain't Mad At Cha samples DeBarge. This is sophisticated music, the sort of stuff Quik makes. It sounds like no other Daz beat.
My theory: all of the beats on All Eyez On Me that are attributed to Daz are actually beats by DJ Quik. Daz was listed as producer because of Quik's contract with Priority.
This is the only theory that makes sense. No producer has ever made such high quality beats and then made nothing similar. Daz hasn't made a track like Skandalouz or I Ain't Mad At Cha since 1996. Quik, on the other hand, has never fallen off, and is still a genius producer to this day.
I doubt it. Remember that he just couldn't do anything as DJ Quik. He still got credit for work on AEOM, only as David Blake. Daz just hit his peak on AEOM, but it's not like his shit just went downhill immediately. A lot of the stuff he was doing on Death Row was still good... from some of his cuts on Doggfather to the stuff he was contributing to soundtracks (Way Too Major is fucking dope) and his own album.
But it doesn't mean that Quik didn't throw on some finishing touches that didn't get credited, probably since he was cool without getting acknowledged for just tweaking beats. I can believe that to have been the case for Skandalouz. There are some voicebox adlibs during the chorus that sound like elements that Quik uses, but those didn't appear on the demo version of the song. But the bassline sounded like pure Daz.
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Quik was never on Priority. You're thinking of Profile.
I don't know about saying other people produced for Daz. I just think he had a dope team in the background over there.
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thats false only thing quik did was mixx my music thats it but its all DAZ
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hey daz thanks for contributing hopefully you can detail a little bit more you work on AEOM that's something us listeners are eager to read about.
Soopafly spoke on it in an old thread, there were rumours that Teddy Riley & Quik had produced I Ain't Mad At Cha and Soopa said that Daz & Soopa had produced the song.
As for AEOM song, i'm pretty sure they're Daz beats, but Quik mixed most of the album. and in his interview with HipHopDX he shed light on his involvement for Skandalouz and Quik did more than merely mixing the song, he also played the rhodes and made sure the sample wouldn't have to be cleared by playing instruments
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/interviews/id.1691/title.dj-quik-against-all-odds
"DX: I just know “Skandalouz” wouldn’t be the classic it is without the talk box [you added to it].
DJ Quik: Yeah, I touched [that record]. I had my boy, Cornelius Mims, play bass on it. That was Daz [Dillinger]’s beat. Daz shot it to me and I really made it a record that they wouldn’t have to clear a sample with. I played Rhodes [electric piano] on there too. I was coming."
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He done a lot more on that album than he got credit for
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I remember seeing one of the masters to a Daz track on AEOM (probably on eBay) and the producer credit was Daz and Johnny J's music group
You know Superfly, Quik and a gang of other session players were involved in making the album, but if Daz came up with the concept/sample idea, laid the drum pattern and the rest west built on top with his direction you know he deserves the main credit no doubt
Those tracks always had a bunch of dudes workin on em but 95% of the time the main guy in the room gets sole producer credit
And if Daz had no idea how to make a song he wouldn't have 35 solo albums now would he :D
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quik brought the tracks to life. whether you want to call that production or not (i would, it's the dre thing again) is up for debate...but quik mixed/engineered all of that first disc pretty much. he even talked about having parts replayed, in the short space of time those records were mixed.
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quik brought the tracks to life. whether you want to call that production or not (i would, it's the dre thing again) is up for debate...but quik mixed/engineered all of that first disc pretty much. he even talked about having parts replayed, in the short space of time those records were mixed.
Doing finishes to tracks still only deserves an additional production credit if that IMO (unless you're dre, then u just take full credit)
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quik brought the tracks to life. whether you want to call that production or not (i would, it's the dre thing again) is up for debate...but quik mixed/engineered all of that first disc pretty much. he even talked about having parts replayed, in the short space of time those records were mixed.
Doing finishes to tracks still only deserves an additional production credit if that IMO (unless you're dre, then u just take full credit)
not saying daz doesn't deserve the main credit as beat maker, just that quik's input as 'mixer/engineer' drastically impacted the final sound.
so, to the OPs question - no they aren't quiks beats, but perhaps that's the wrong queston to be asking.
'how do u want it' is interesting because there's the earlier 2nd ii none track with the exact same sample and sounding very similar. that one seems to be more than a coincidence, though it isn't one of the daz tracks he's talking about.
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quik brought the tracks to life. whether you want to call that production or not (i would, it's the dre thing again) is up for debate...but quik mixed/engineered all of that first disc pretty much. he even talked about having parts replayed, in the short space of time those records were mixed.
Doing finishes to tracks still only deserves an additional production credit if that IMO (unless you're dre, then u just take full credit)
not saying daz doesn't deserve the main credit as beat maker, just that quik's input as 'mixer/engineer' drastically impacted the final sound.
so, to the OPs question - no they aren't quiks beats, but perhaps that's the wrong queston to be asking.
'how do u want it' is interesting because there's the earlier 2nd ii none track with the exact same sample and sounding very similar. that one seems to be more than a coincidence, though it isn't one of the daz tracks he's talking about.
What 2nd II None track? Of Unreleased album ?
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If somebody was helpin' Daz with the beats, it was Soopafly.
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quik brought the tracks to life. whether you want to call that production or not (i would, it's the dre thing again) is up for debate...but quik mixed/engineered all of that first disc pretty much. he even talked about having parts replayed, in the short space of time those records were mixed.
Doing finishes to tracks still only deserves an additional production credit if that IMO (unless you're dre, then u just take full credit)
not saying daz doesn't deserve the main credit as beat maker, just that quik's input as 'mixer/engineer' drastically impacted the final sound.
so, to the OPs question - no they aren't quiks beats, but perhaps that's the wrong queston to be asking.
'how do u want it' is interesting because there's the earlier 2nd ii none track with the exact same sample and sounding very similar. that one seems to be more than a coincidence, though it isn't one of the daz tracks he's talking about.
What 2nd II None track? Of Unreleased album ?
yeah it was one of those that leaked with a bunch of unreleased tracks, can't remember the name.
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Quik helped and work alot in Death Row.. Murder Was The Case..Above The Rim soundtrack.. Danny Boy album..2nd II None "Tha Shit" unreleased album, and of course he big credits on Pac's AEOM, mixing, add final touches, in various tracks "Skandalouz" "How Do U Want" "Only God Can Judge Me" "Thug Passion" "California Love" - He brings Roger Troutman to the studio .
Skandalouz is clearly a Daz B-E-A-T.But arranged by DJ Quik.
Daz is a beatmaker. Johnny J was a beatmaker. Dr. Dre is a great beatmaker. DJ Quik is a musician. It's different.
Example of DJ Quik unique style..
3 tracks..apparently sound alike because they use the same sample of Donald Byrd - Wind Parade.
Let's Get Higher - 2nd II None feat. DJ Quik himself . (Of The "Tha Shit" unreleased album) recorded in 94' .
Late Night - 2pac feat. AMG and DJ Quik himself . (Leftover of AEOM) recorded in 96'
Late Nite - 2pac feat. Tha Outlawz and DJ Quik on the intro . (Possible on 7th Day Theory) - recorded in 96' but mixed in 2002 for Pac's Better Dayz .
All 3 instrumentals have differences..The 2nd II None instrumental have a BIG diffenrence to Pac's tracks...have a vocal sample of "Wind Parade" the 2pac tracks don't have.
The Pac tracks have a heavy piano chord.
Listen to the AMG and Quik featured "Late Night", Quik puts a synth sound on the middle of the verses, before the chorus.And a Outlawz version don't have this synthesizer sound. And also he used another synth sound on the 2nd II None track, on the chorus.
All this in 3 tracks "that seem to sound alike". But are actually different.
This is an example of how DJ Quik is a musician. Not a simple beatmaker.
OBS: My Fave track of the 3 above is 2pac "Late Night" w/ Quik and AMG..the synths make it more smooth and AMG murder the beat on his verse. And Pac kills of course .
Peace .
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daz was actually a great producer back then and anyone who thinks he couldn't produce anything on the level of aeom should listen to dogg food.
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quik brought the tracks to life. whether you want to call that production or not (i would, it's the dre thing again) is up for debate...but quik mixed/engineered all of that first disc pretty much. he even talked about having parts replayed, in the short space of time those records were mixed.
Doing finishes to tracks still only deserves an additional production credit if that IMO (unless you're dre, then u just take full credit)
not saying daz doesn't deserve the main credit as beat maker, just that quik's input as 'mixer/engineer' drastically impacted the final sound.
so, to the OPs question - no they aren't quiks beats, but perhaps that's the wrong queston to be asking.
'how do u want it' is interesting because there's the earlier 2nd ii none track with the exact same sample and sounding very similar. that one seems to be more than a coincidence, though it isn't one of the daz tracks he's talking about.
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Quik improved Johnny J's work either. Johnny J was a consistently good producer, but once again, the AEOM tracks outshine most of his other work. Is Quik responsible for taking them from good to great? It would make sense.
As for the producer of Daz's beats, I can see how they might start with a simple Daz beat and then be elevated by Quik's touches...but I still doubt that I Aint Mad At Cha is a Daz beat. It sounds nothing like any of Daz's other beats. Does Daz listen to DeBarge? We know Quik listens to DeBarge. And Quik was working a lot with Danny Boy.
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As for the producer of Daz's beats, I can see how they might start with a simple Daz beat and then be elevated by Quik's touches...but I still doubt that I Aint Mad At Cha is a Daz beat. It sounds nothing like any of Daz's other beats. Does Daz listen to DeBarge? We know Quik listens to DeBarge. And Quik was working a lot with Danny Boy.
Soopafly confirmed on this very forum that Daz & him had produced I ain't mad at cha, what more do you need ? DeBarge's song is a standard, and Daz was a beatmaker, so by essence, a cratedigger although he didn't sample a lot compared to most producers. Daz sampling DeBarge is nothing extraordinary or unbelievable. As for Danny Boy, you got a point, but Danny Boy was always with Pac so maybe he was the singer around or maybe Pac wanted him on this particular record, who knows.
If Quik had produced I ain't mad at cha, or if he has had actually more input than he's credited, this would have leaked by now... Danny Boy isn't exactly friends with DPG and has done interviews in which he tells his side of the story, if Daz didn't really produce I Ain't Mad At Cha I'm sure Danny Boy would have talked about it in interviews, and Quik too, the way he broke down his involvement on Skandalouz.
edit : the link to the thread where soopafly says daz & him produced I ain't mad cha
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=272056.msg2748881#msg2748881
no those two songs had no affiliation. daz n myself did i aint mad atcha. theres no sample. i played it over. its an interpolation of the debarge song of course. no teddy riley didnt do these days either. daz n myself did.
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i don't think classing quik is a 'musician' over 'beatmaker' is the best way to think about his work. he's a more musically inclined producer/engineer. producing is a form of musicianship in itself, like being a composer. same reason dre is a master producer despite being less hands on with the musical side of things. being able to be hands on musically has its advantages but its all about the end result. quiks musical abilities constantly come through in his production, but he still uses musicians, he's still being a producer.
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Dat Nigga Daz produced the beats for AEOM but DJ Quik mixed the album and arranged almost every songs.
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If somebody was helpin' Daz with the beats, it was Soopafly.
Kurupt did say in an interview that while Daz did most of the work on Ambitionz az a Ridah, Soopafly did help, and add that violin-sounding element between the beats.
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If somebody was helpin' Daz with the beats, it was Soopafly.
Kurupt did say in an interview that while Daz did most of the work on Ambitionz az a Ridah, Soopafly did help, and add that violin-sounding element between the beats.
Soopafly co-produced every beat Daz touched on All Eyez On Me, he got paid under the table by Daz and didn't get the credit.
http://www.tupac-online.com/News/0-560-00.html
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I always thought that skandalouz beat was ridiculous. One of my favorites.
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I always thought that skandalouz beat was ridiculous. One of my favorites.
it's been my personal favorite AEOM song the moment I listened to the album.
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Man I love the way DAZ dips in and out of threads. Respect to him for even taking the time to post up. My issue is with the DAZ haters on this site. Ya'll sour at him I understand but wtf you need to keep blasting him with bullshit from some cd's that never got sent out. You dudes ruin it for the rest of us the Daz fans that want to hear what he has to say about his work or previous west coast info he might share with us.
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If somebody was helpin' Daz with the beats, it was Soopafly.
Kurupt did say in an interview that while Daz did most of the work on Ambitionz az a Ridah, Soopafly did help, and add that violin-sounding element between the beats.
Soopafly co-produced every beat Daz touched on All Eyez On Me, he got paid under the table by Daz and didn't get the credit.
http://www.tupac-online.com/News/0-560-00.html
Soopafly also said that when he makes beats, usually Daz is involved in makin' them, even if he isn't credited and vice versa.
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I always thought that skandalouz beat was ridiculous. One of my favorites.
it's been my personal favorite AEOM song the moment I listened to the album.
Yeah, I had to get the instrumental for that shit. Sick.
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I always thought that skandalouz beat was ridiculous. One of my favorites.
it's been my personal favorite AEOM song the moment I listened to the album.
Word! Skandalouz is a west coast classic. The beat is perfect and Pac just ripped it. Such a cool vibe to the track, I feel like it really captures the spirit of Pac's first couple months out of jail.
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I DISAGREE..I MEAN, SURE, QUIK HAD HIS HAND IN SHIT, BUT DAZ WAS THE MAN BEHIND THOSE BEATS...SKANDALOUZ SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE ON DOGG FOOD, EASILY
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I DISAGREE..I MEAN, SURE, QUIK HAD HIS HAND IN SHIT, BUT DAZ WAS THE MAN BEHIND THOSE BEATS...SKANDALOUZ SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE ON DOGG FOOD, EASILY
Nah, man, Dogg Food has a real 'dark' vibe to it. It's a great album, but it's a night time album. Skandalouz has the California sun embedded in the beat, that's a day time song.
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I DISAGREE..I MEAN, SURE, QUIK HAD HIS HAND IN SHIT, BUT DAZ WAS THE MAN BEHIND THOSE BEATS...SKANDALOUZ SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE ON DOGG FOOD, EASILY
Nah, man, Dogg Food has a real 'dark' vibe to it. It's a great album, but it's a night time album. Skandalouz has the California sun embedded in the beat, that's a day time song.
SKANDALOUZ ABOUT AS DARK AS SO MUCH STYLE, ONE BY ONE, LETS PLAY HOUSE, REALITY, I DONT LIKE 2 DREAM BOUT GETTIN PAID
IN FACT, NOW THAT IM THINKIN OF THE TRACKS, THE PRODUCTION TO SKANDALOUZ DEFINITELY SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS DONE BY THE SAME DUDE.
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"Dogg Food" a dark album? Only "dark" beat on the album is "Dogg Pound Gangstaz". I guess people have really different opinions on what is "dark".
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"Dogg Food" a dark album? Only "dark" beat on the album is "Dogg Pound Gangstaz". I guess people have really different opinions on what is "dark".
a case could be made for respect and cyco lic no being dark songs too, the menacing piano chords on respect and the repetitive beat on cyco lic no. but other than that yeah it's not a dakr album. still, it's not your average summertime g-funk album.
either way Skandalouz has Quik and Daz written all over it, and it could belong to Dogg Food just as easily. it's funny but I never viewed it as a "day time song", but more of a sunset song and night song.
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Yeah, "Cyco-Lic-No" has a little dark vibe to it. "A Doggz Day Afternoon" too.
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In a fairly recent Michel'le interview she mentioned how as a backing vocalist her part was also working on arrangement of the track
So you know Nate Dogg had a big role in the making of the Skandalouz beat too. It was a group thing, but the producers ear is taking care of every aspect too
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Daz's production on Nate Dogg's - G Funk Classics have a lot of songs in common with Skandalouz. Also, whether rightly claimed or not, Ain't No Fun is similar too. I'm sure if you look at Daz's production credits from 92-97, he had a sound which is in line with Skandalouz (albeit with DJ Quik's hand in it too.)
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thats false only thing quik did was mixx my music thats it but its all DAZ
"You need to stop rappin and listen to All Eyez on Me, so you can practice who you used to be" - Kurupt
On the real though, Daz, I love Skandalouz and the other AEOM tracks, please make some more beats like that and you will save West Coast hip hop forever.
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Daz work on nate dogg's g-funk clAssics vol.1 was just as smooth and well produced... Check nate dogg's "why" and "wanted dead or alive" they're straight funky smooth tracks with strong bass lines and great mixing. Hi work on "doggfather " has the vibe as well. Even daz work on rage's album is very reminiscent of the "all eyes on me" ... I mean I know those PAC tracks are classic but daz work was just as dope as fuck before check "above the rim" and "murder was the case" his work there was way ahead if it's time as they still sound clear and well produced to this day. Daz should just take his time with the beats like he did before that's all those tracks were replayed by different musicians as time went on I'm sure before they were released daz spoke on that on rap city years ago before "dogg food" came out. Daz said he would turn his tracks in to Dre and Dre would add take away or tell him to change shit . The work used to be over produced for clarity and quality now it's not ... That's explanation to why it's so different now... Stop putting out albums evey 5 minutes and make some shit worth buying again ...
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I DISAGREE..I MEAN, SURE, QUIK HAD HIS HAND IN SHIT, BUT DAZ WAS THE MAN BEHIND THOSE BEATS...SKANDALOUZ SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE ON DOGG FOOD, EASILY
Nah, man, Dogg Food has a real 'dark' vibe to it. It's a great album, but it's a night time album. Skandalouz has the California sun embedded in the beat, that's a day time song.
SKANDALOUZ ABOUT AS DARK AS SO MUCH STYLE, ONE BY ONE, LETS PLAY HOUSE, REALITY, I DONT LIKE 2 DREAM BOUT GETTIN PAID
IN FACT, NOW THAT IM THINKIN OF THE TRACKS, THE PRODUCTION TO SKANDALOUZ DEFINITELY SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS DONE BY THE SAME DUDE.
"So Much Style", "I Don't Like To Dream About Gettin Paid", "Reality", "Skandalouz" ... all this Death Row / Daz ish was recorded the same year, in the same studios.
DOGG FOOD recording sessions finished in the last days of september 1995. 2Pac began ALL EYEZ ON ME at Can-Am in October...
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
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He done a lot more on that album than he got credit for
not only on that album
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Can even go TOP 3 - 2 -1 DRE, Warren & Daz fights for it in my books - love em =)
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Nate Dogg's "She's Strange" off the G-Funk Classics has a similar vibe/sound as Skandalouz. Daz truly is one of the best westcoast producers hands down.
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one of my fav. daz beats - http://youtu.be/9WgHsAVJTbY 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Daz is a great producer..but he is not a perfectionist like Quik and Dre.
And in recent years Daz was very lazy when it comes to production.
Your last good album produced by him was "Public Enemiez".
West Coast Gangsta Shit is really good, but Daz don't helped on production.
Todau, i think Soopafly better than him.
Peace
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I DISAGREE..I MEAN, SURE, QUIK HAD HIS HAND IN SHIT, BUT DAZ WAS THE MAN BEHIND THOSE BEATS...SKANDALOUZ SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE ON DOGG FOOD, EASILY
word !
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Can even go TOP 3 - 2 -1 DRE, Warren & Daz fights for it in my books - love em =)
Nah, that ain't right, DJ Quik is the best producer in west coast hip hop history, and Battlecat is the 2nd best. The others come after them two geniuses.
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I have a theory based on some observations:
1) The beats attributed to Daz on All Eyez on Me are some of the greatest beats in the history of rap music.
2) Daz has produced nothing even remotely comparable in quality since All Eyez On Me.
3) Quik's contract with Priority limited the amount of work he was officially allowed to do for Death Row, so he worked under the table and produced under other peoples' names.
4) Skandalouz definitely sounds like a DJ Quik beat. It sounds like no other beat Daz ever produced.
5) I Ain't Mad At Cha samples DeBarge. This is sophisticated music, the sort of stuff Quik makes. It sounds like no other Daz beat.
My theory: all of the beats on All Eyez On Me that are attributed to Daz are actually beats by DJ Quik. Daz was listed as producer because of Quik's contract with Priority.
This is the only theory that makes sense. No producer has ever made such high quality beats and then made nothing similar. Daz hasn't made a track like Skandalouz or I Ain't Mad At Cha since 1996. Quik, on the other hand, has never fallen off, and is still a genius producer to this day.
Another great thread from you homie..... props. Although, I certainly don't agree, and I don't think Quik was ghost producing for Daz.. it is interesting to think that his beats on All Eyez On Me were somehow different from everything else he has ever produced.
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Come on homie.. that's not a laudatory statement but actually a diss to call Daz "top 5 West Coast".
Daz is "TOP 2 EVER (any coast)". It's Dre, then Daz... then everyone else!
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Come on homie.. that's not a laudatory statement but actually a diss to call Daz "top 5 West Coast".
Daz is "TOP 2 EVER (any coast)". It's Dre, then Daz... then everyone else!
Take em to chuuurch!.
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Come on homie.. that's not a laudatory statement but actually a diss to call Daz "top 5 West Coast".
Daz is "TOP 2 EVER (any coast)". It's Dre, then Daz... then everyone else!
Man.. Daz is a great producer.. but no way he is better than Quik and Battlecat.
Only LA based, Producer No order... divide in groups .
Extra Genius: DJ Quik and Dr. Dre
Genius: Battlecat,Cold 187,Warren G,Tony G, Johnny J,Rhythm D,Eazy-E
Greats: Daz,DJ Glaze,DJ Crazy Toones,Fredwreck,Dobbs The Wino,Skee-Lo,DJ Uneek,Chilly Chill,Sir Jynx,DJ Pooh,DJ Muggs,Tha Chill,The Egyptian Lover,Hi-C,Tony-A,Afrika Islam,Ice-T,QDIII,King T and list goes on..
Honorable mention: Ice Cube ( He produced dope shit on K-Dee album)
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Can even go TOP 3 - 2 -1 DRE, Warren & Daz fights for it in my books - love em =)
1. Dre 2. Daz 3. Warren G.... then everyone else
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Daz work on nate dogg's g-funk clAssics vol.1 was just as smooth and well produced... Check nate dogg's "why" and "wanted dead or alive" they're straight funky smooth tracks with strong bass lines and great mixing. Hi work on "doggfather " has the vibe as well. Even daz work on rage's album is very reminiscent of the "all eyes on me" ... I mean I know those PAC tracks are classic but daz work was just as dope as fuck before check "above the rim" and "murder was the case" his work there was way ahead if it's time as they still sound clear and well produced to this day. Daz should just take his time with the beats like he did before that's all those tracks were replayed by different musicians as time went on I'm sure before they were released daz spoke on that on rap city years ago before "dogg food" came out. Daz said he would turn his tracks in to Dre and Dre would add take away or tell him to change shit . The work used to be over produced for clarity and quality now it's not ... That's explanation to why it's so different now... Stop putting out albums evey 5 minutes and make some shit worth buying again ...
Co-sign
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"Dogg Food" a dark album? Only "dark" beat on the album is "Dogg Pound Gangstaz". I guess people have really different opinions on what is "dark".
It's hard.. meaning it's dark. That shit was pretty intense back in the day. I remember when it came out it was actually too hard for a lot of rap fans to digest. The beats, the lyrics, it all hit hard and definitely wasn't anything for pop fans. But Death Row was in it's prime so it still managed to sell 2Xplatinum.
I love the part on the Show documentary where Suge is bragging about the Dogg Pound how they weren't Hollywood and didn't care about having their hair done and shit, but that they just dropped their shit and it was dope
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Either Daz didn't produce his own beats or one day he woke up and forgot how to produce. I don't see how he could have went from doing the AOEM beats to just completely unable to do a decent beat and buying beats from other producers.
If you are comparing beats, Daz had some real nice beats back in the day. But if you are comparing producers, Daz doesn't even come into the conversation as to great west coast producers. It is really sad because he fell off pretty hard.
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Either Daz didn't produce his own beats or one day he woke up and forgot how to produce. I don't see how he could have went from doing the AOEM beats to just completely unable to do a decent beat and buying beats from other producers.
If you are comparing beats, Daz had some real nice beats back in the day. But if you are comparing producers, Daz doesn't even come into the conversation as to great west coast producers. It is really sad because he fell off pretty hard.
To me, what you've written is undeniably true. When Daz and Kurupt were dissing each other, I think Kurupt really hit the nail on the head when he said: "You need to stop rappin and listen to All Eyez On Me, so you can practice who you used to be."
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Either Daz didn't produce his own beats or one day he woke up and forgot how to produce. I don't see how he could have went from doing the AOEM beats to just completely unable to do a decent beat and buying beats from other producers.
If you are comparing beats, Daz had some real nice beats back in the day. But if you are comparing producers, Daz doesn't even come into the conversation as to great west coast producers. It is really sad because he fell off pretty hard.
Daz had already done enough in the 90's to be the 2nd best producer of all time. He didn't need to make any more great beats after Death Row, he had already done enough.
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Either Daz didn't produce his own beats or one day he woke up and forgot how to produce. I don't see how he could have went from doing the AOEM beats to just completely unable to do a decent beat and buying beats from other producers.
If you are comparing beats, Daz had some real nice beats back in the day. But if you are comparing producers, Daz doesn't even come into the conversation as to great west coast producers. It is really sad because he fell off pretty hard.
Daz had already done enough in the 90's to be the 2nd best producer of all time. He didn't need to make any more great beats after Death Row, he had already done enough.
who would #1 be?
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Come on homie.. that's not a laudatory statement but actually a diss to call Daz "top 5 West Coast".
Daz is "TOP 2 EVER (any coast)". It's Dre, then Daz... then everyone else!
Man.. Daz is a great producer.. but no way he is better than Quik and Battlecat.
Only LA based, Producer No order... divide in groups .
Extra Genius: DJ Quik and Dr. Dre
Genius: Battlecat,Cold 187,Warren G,Tony G, Johnny J,Rhythm D,Eazy-E
Greats: Daz,DJ Glaze,DJ Crazy Toones,Fredwreck,Dobbs The Wino,Skee-Lo,DJ Uneek,Chilly Chill,Sir Jynx,DJ Pooh,DJ Muggs,Tha Chill,The Egyptian Lover,Hi-C,Tony-A,Afrika Islam,Ice-T,QDIII,King T and list goes on..
Honorable mention: Ice Cube ( He produced dope shit on K-Dee album)
DJ Crazy Toones? Can you name 25 dope beats he made?
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Come on homie.. that's not a laudatory statement but actually a diss to call Daz "top 5 West Coast".
Daz is "TOP 2 EVER (any coast)". It's Dre, then Daz... then everyone else!
Man.. Daz is a great producer.. but no way he is better than Quik and Battlecat.
Only LA based, Producer No order... divide in groups .
Extra Genius: DJ Quik and Dr. Dre
Genius: Battlecat,Cold 187,Warren G,Tony G, Johnny J,Rhythm D,Eazy-E
Greats: Daz,DJ Glaze,DJ Crazy Toones,Fredwreck,Dobbs The Wino,Skee-Lo,DJ Uneek,Chilly Chill,Sir Jynx,DJ Pooh,DJ Muggs,Tha Chill,The Egyptian Lover,Hi-C,Tony-A,Afrika Islam,Ice-T,QDIII,King T and list goes on..
Honorable mention: Ice Cube ( He produced dope shit on K-Dee album)
DJ Crazy Toones? Can you name 25 dope beats he made?
his contributions to wc & the maad circle is substantial.
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Come on homie.. that's not a laudatory statement but actually a diss to call Daz "top 5 West Coast".
Daz is "TOP 2 EVER (any coast)". It's Dre, then Daz... then everyone else!
Man.. Daz is a great producer.. but no way he is better than Quik and Battlecat.
Only LA based, Producer No order... divide in groups .
Extra Genius: DJ Quik and Dr. Dre
Genius: Battlecat,Cold 187,Warren G,Tony G, Johnny J,Rhythm D,Eazy-E
Greats: Daz,DJ Glaze,DJ Crazy Toones,Fredwreck,Dobbs The Wino,Skee-Lo,DJ Uneek,Chilly Chill,Sir Jynx,DJ Pooh,DJ Muggs,Tha Chill,The Egyptian Lover,Hi-C,Tony-A,Afrika Islam,Ice-T,QDIII,King T and list goes on..
Honorable mention: Ice Cube ( He produced dope shit on K-Dee album)
DJ Crazy Toones? Can you name 25 dope beats he made?
his contributions to wc & the maad circle is substantial.
He produced their second album and did a little somethin' on the first, but that's about it. He always been more of a DJ than a producer. If you're actually thinkin' he's anywhere near as dope as Daz, DJ Muggs or Fredwreck is then i don't know what to say. Even Ice Cube has made better beats than Crazy Toones has.
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Come on homie.. that's not a laudatory statement but actually a diss to call Daz "top 5 West Coast".
Daz is "TOP 2 EVER (any coast)". It's Dre, then Daz... then everyone else!
Man.. Daz is a great producer.. but no way he is better than Quik and Battlecat.
Only LA based, Producer No order... divide in groups .
Extra Genius: DJ Quik and Dr. Dre
Genius: Battlecat,Cold 187,Warren G,Tony G, Johnny J,Rhythm D,Eazy-E
Greats: Daz,DJ Glaze,DJ Crazy Toones,Fredwreck,Dobbs The Wino,Skee-Lo,DJ Uneek,Chilly Chill,Sir Jynx,DJ Pooh,DJ Muggs,Tha Chill,The Egyptian Lover,Hi-C,Tony-A,Afrika Islam,Ice-T,QDIII,King T and list goes on..
Honorable mention: Ice Cube ( He produced dope shit on K-Dee album)
DJ Crazy Toones? Can you name 25 dope beats he made?
his contributions to wc & the maad circle is substantial.
He produced their second album and did a little somethin' on the first, but that's about it. He always been more of a DJ than a producer. If you're actually thinkin' he's anywhere near as dope as Daz, DJ Muggs or Fredwreck is then i don't know what to say. Even Ice Cube has made better beats than Crazy Toones has.
not what I meant.
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Come on homie.. that's not a laudatory statement but actually a diss to call Daz "top 5 West Coast".
Daz is "TOP 2 EVER (any coast)". It's Dre, then Daz... then everyone else!
i dont fault u for that, but i dont categorize daz with dre...it's dre then every1 else....daz is in a class with producers like warren g, dj quik, battlecat etc all who are great, but not quite dre
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This is one example of someone completely fucking up thier legacy. Daz's beats from '92 - 99 were some of my favourites of all time. Since around '00, Daz's beats have been either wildly inconsistent to downright terrible. On the other hand, Quik has been so consistent that there's never a time where I don't like his beats. Quik definately has a love for music that not many in rap have.
Hard to call overall between the 2, I just can't call it.
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Daz=top 5 produced in west coast hip-hop history.. Get mad
Come on homie.. that's not a laudatory statement but actually a diss to call Daz "top 5 West Coast".
Daz is "TOP 2 EVER (any coast)". It's Dre, then Daz... then everyone else!
Man.. Daz is a great producer.. but no way he is better than Quik and Battlecat.
Only LA based, Producer No order... divide in groups .
Extra Genius: DJ Quik and Dr. Dre
Genius: Battlecat,Cold 187,Warren G,Tony G, Johnny J,Rhythm D,Eazy-E
Greats: Daz,DJ Glaze,DJ Crazy Toones,Fredwreck,Dobbs The Wino,Skee-Lo,DJ Uneek,Chilly Chill,Sir Jynx,DJ Pooh,DJ Muggs,Tha Chill,The Egyptian Lover,Hi-C,Tony-A,Afrika Islam,Ice-T,QDIII,King T and list goes on..
Honorable mention: Ice Cube ( He produced dope shit on K-Dee album)
DJ Crazy Toones? Can you name 25 dope beats he made?
Aww Man ?? He produced CLASSIC shit for WC and The Maad Circle ... he produced "U Know Hoo" for Coolio ( This is HARD as fuck ).
He produced shit to Mack 10 first album. He helped w/ production on WC "The Shadiest One". Another Classic.
And he produced Stand Tall on Cube's Raw Footage ... one of the best tracks in music on years .
That already makes him great.
Not quantity. Quality.
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He only produced "Here Comes The G" on Mack 10's first album, that's a dope beat though. I forgot about it. He only produced a couple of songs on "The Shadiest One" too. He's not up there with Dr. Dre, DJ Muggs, DJ Quik, Battlecat or Daz Dillinger. That's just my opinion. He has a couple of classic beats, but not that many.
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MobNigga06, thanks for the link to your thread!
I apologize to the poster that I got into a fight with. I am sorry. Shit like this fires me up because I know it's trolling, but it got to me for some strange reason. I won't flame anyone anymore. I will be a man about this.
Now, Soopafly DPG, no, that's not my argument whatsoever. I don't know why you said if someone showed me proof Daz did the AEOM beats then I would write it off as bullshit is not what I am going to do.
I decided to bang Retaliation, Revenge and Get Back last night. It was a good album. I liked 8 songs out of 16. I haven't head the album since 1999, so I was disappointed that it didn't have that classic feel to it. Funny how I was listening to DJ Quik's whole discography 2 weekends ago and his first 4 albums have the classic feel.
I'm not trying to discredit Daz. If he did the beats on AEOM then show some proof like interviews or something. Saying "oh, Daz's name is on the credits, so he made the production" isn't proof. Many people on here have said Dogg Food sounds like Dr. Dre beats and I agree. You know Deathrow credit was shady back in the day.
Oh yeah, you will come back and say how do I know Dre made the production he made? Listen to the NWA albums, D.O.C.'s debut, etc. It's his sound at the time. The production on RRG is not spectacular to me.
I will look at the thread MOBNigga06 gave me.
Merry Christmas to everyone!
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I'm just tired of the "beats" conversation as a whole. Daz produced what Daz produced. I think I credit Dre more than him for the Death Row era stuff, not because Dre had the best instrumentals but because he has the magic ear and knew how to get the best out of his team.
I consider the producer the person responsible for the track, not the guy who created the beat.
I think when Daz became head producer, there were still classic songs that were produced by him but the overall quality of albums just wasn't there. I don't think it's fair to discredit Daz of his Dogg Food work or the early Dogg Pound classics but it's important to note that Dre was still involved in the process. I think Doggfather is an important piece to look at. It's all the people who supposedly "made" Dr. Dre doing an album without him. I think more over, the comradery was lost as a whole. You had some of the Dogg Pound heavy-hitters like Kurupt and Nate Dogg popping up on Doggfather, RR&GB, and the Pac movie soundtracks but in a lot of cases, it felt like they were just going through the motions.