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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 07, 2006, 07:05:43 AM
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Kobe didn't step up to the challenge in the second half. If that had been Jordan he would have taken tough shots and brought his team back, Jordan always stepped up to the challenge. Instead, Kobe looked like he was trying to make a point and prove to everybody that it was even worse if he involved his teamates, he was right; his team looked terrible. I thought Luke Walton could shoot, but he couldn't even make short jumpers, and that point gaurd Kush is athletic and quick but he can't shoot.
Barbos is amazing, there was one point in the game he took it to the whole on them like 5 times straight and the Lakers weak defense couldn't stop him.
^^that's my take, what'd ya'll think?
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I basically agree. Kobe was mad cause he and his team had no chance versus the Suns, and because of his ego-centric persona he tried to show to the world how much his teammates actually suck and how it's not his fault at all when his team is losing. He got skills playing basketball, noone's arguing that. But he's got a bad character and that also shows on the court and in games. And THAT is why a Jordan comparision will ALWAYS be ridiculous to me.
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There are many threads about that... Weak mentality and inexperience that's all. Anyway Clippers gonna beat Phoenix coz they are a better than us overall (though we would had a good shot to beat them). Clipps have a point guard way better than Smush, a better inside sector,and players who can shoot the 3
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I duno what my take on it is yet....I mean, the first 3 wins the Lakers had, they played the "team game" and won those games....Then you have Kobe putting up 50 points in a Lakers loss.....So you would figure the "team game" was the way to go.....Unfortunatly, neither Kobe, or his team stepped up lastnight and they got beat by a pretty good Suns team playing on their home court.....
Ill give the Lakers credit tho, I didnt think it would go 7 and def didnt think at any point the Lakers woulda been up 3-1. Hell, I didnt even think they would make the playoffs (Right NIK)
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My take? The better team won. Kobe was scoring in the first half but the Lakers were still down by what 15? Kobe actually earned a little more respect from me when he showed he would actually pass the ball to his team mates. I'm really laughing at all the goons that said the Lakers were a strong playoff team and that they will make it to the finals. If the Lakers were playing a team that actually played defense, this series would have been over much sooner.
I'm also laughing at anyone who doesn't think Kobe gave up at half time. What were his second half stats? Nobody in the league can stop him, so what is the explanation for that performance? It's simple - he gave up. He realized he couldn't carry the team on his own so he quit. And that right there should put to rest the whole Kobe vs. MJ debate.
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because of his ego-centric persona
ya, Jordan had a ridiculously small head
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I basically agree. Kobe was mad cause he and his team had no chance versus the Suns, and because of his ego-centric persona he tried to show to the world how much his teammates actually suck and how it's not his fault at all when his team is losing. He got skills playing basketball, noone's arguing that. But he's got a bad character and that also shows on the court and in games. And THAT is why a Jordan comparision will ALWAYS be ridiculous to me.
Co-sign. Jordan often made statements with his play, but never at the expense of his team.
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I'm also laughing at anyone who doesn't think Kobe gave up at half time. What were his second half stats? Nobody in the league can stop him, so what is the explanation for that performance? It's simple - he gave up. He realized he couldn't carry the team on his own so he quit. And that right there should put to rest the whole Kobe vs. MJ debate.
^^word... That's the other point I want to make, Jordan never, ever quit on his team.
...although I don't mind the comparisons to Jordan because Kobe is the closest to Jordan in the NBA.
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You guys are all right!!! Jordan woulda' single-handedly won the game 1-on-5 in the 2nd half. I mean, the guy had no flaws!
LMFAO! This board is extremely hilarious...
Wake up, people. Phil Jackson wanted the whole team to get into attack mode, not just Kobe. PHIL CALLED FOR IT!!! It was self-evident that Kobe wasn't gunna win the game alone, and Jordan wouldn't have even taken these Lakers to the playoffs...You fucking idiots.
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Kobe just cannot get a break from the haters.Game 6 Kobe had 50pts and he shot too much and lakers lose cuz Kobes fault now Game 7 Kobe takes 16 shots and the haters just rumbleing about how he is selfish for not taking shots.WTF is Kobe suppose to do?Its seems Kobe cannot catch a break from the media and the haters and they always try to point out any flaws in Kobes game.I think The game was already over in the 2nd half and Kobe n Phil knew that in order to get back in it they needed the team to step up and thats why Kobe hardly shote in the 2nd half.
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You guys are all right!!! Jordan woulda' single-handedly won the game 1-on-5 in the 2nd half. I mean, the guy had no flaws!
LMFAO! This board is extremely hilarious...
It was self-evident that Kobe wasn't gunna win the game alone
so is that why kobe played with no heart in the 2nd half.
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You guys are all right!!! Jordan woulda' single-handedly won the game 1-on-5 in the 2nd half. I mean, the guy had no flaws!
LMFAO! This board is extremely hilarious...
It was self-evident that Kobe wasn't gunna win the game alone
so is that why kobe played with no heart in the 2nd half.
how do u know he was playing with no heart, did u see him holding up a sign that said im playing with no heart? cause what i saw was a guy who was desperately trying to get his team into the game but the more he tried the more shots they missed, everyone besides kobe played HORRIBLE I mean nobody could make a shot, it was ridiculous, what do you expect him to do? do you expect him to single handedly erase a 30 point deficit in 1 qtr when his teammates are dead as fuck? they did it a few years ago against dallas but kobe had the whole team rolling thats the difference
god i seriously cant believe some of the hate on here, you guys are just looking for reasons to hate
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I laught at the people who say Kobe is as good as Jordan at this point and I laugh at the people who take those Laker fans serious and take it as a WHOLE Laker opinion....
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they got smoked in game 7 but it just goes 2 show no matter how great 1 player is the need a supportin cast
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You Kobe haters are just too much. You diss him when he takes over the game in the second half, then you diss him when he doesn't. If he had dropped 30 in the second half you guys would be saying what a ball hog he is.
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You Kobe haters are just too much. You diss him when he takes over the game in the second half, then you diss him when he doesn't. If he had dropped 30 in the second half you guys would be saying what a ball hog he is.
I wouldnt, i would congratulate him on taking on that role 2 help his team, which he didnt do in that game. Bottomline is i respect Kobe, the guy is the best at the moment and no 1 can deny that. I also think he should have the ball more and shoot more no matter if people think its ball hogging, coz when he didnt ball hog, the lost a series they was 3-1 up in. That laker team should just give the ball 2 Kobe and play around him, and b4 any 1 says im a Kobe dick rider im not a laker fan.
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Lakers exceeded expectations.....STOP HATIN!!!
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Lakers exceeded expectations.....STOP HATIN!!!
that is true, people seem to forget that they were the same ones guaranteeing they wouldn't have a winning record
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You guys are all right!!! Jordan woulda' single-handedly won the game 1-on-5 in the 2nd half. I mean, the guy had no flaws!
LMFAO! This board is extremely hilarious...
It was self-evident that Kobe wasn't gunna win the game alone
so is that why kobe played with no heart in the 2nd half.
Are you retarded? Explain to me how he had no heart. He was doing what Phil Jackson told him to do, he wanted to get the others going so that they could get in a rythym and punk Suns as a team, like they did in the other games. Obviously, it wasn't going down for them, Kobe knows he can get his shot on, but he also knows he can't beat the Suns 1-5...You're just too fuckin stupid to comprehend the concept of strategy, and are OBVIOUSLY a Kobe hater...PeACe
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I laught at the people who say Kobe is as good as Jordan at this point and I laugh at the people who take those Laker fans serious and take it as a WHOLE Laker opinion....
Nobody said Kobe is as good as Jordan right now, we all said he can easily be the best at the end of his career and the closest thing to being so...We also said Kobe has achieved more by the age of 27 than Jordan has...Nice try though...PeACe
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You Kobe haters are just too much. You diss him when he takes over the game in the second half, then you diss him when he doesn't. If he had dropped 30 in the second half you guys would be saying what a ball hog he is.
I wouldnt, i would congratulate him on taking on that role 2 help his team, which he didnt do in that game. Bottomline is i respect Kobe, the guy is the best at the moment and no 1 can deny that. I also think he should have the ball more and shoot more no matter if people think its ball hogging, coz when he didnt ball hog, the lost a series they was 3-1 up in. That laker team should just give the ball 2 Kobe and play around him, and b4 any 1 says im a Kobe dick rider im not a laker fan.
You're missing the point...In the 3 Laker victories, it wasn't just Kobe droppin' 50 on 'em, it was a TEAM effort, just like I'd witnessed in Game 3 first hand, when Kobe only scored 17 and got outscored by Smush Parker. But the end result was a win. That was the way to defeat the Suns. Unfortunately, a lot of our player hadn't been in this situation and just basically got outplayed...Has nothing to do with Kobe and his greatness, it's just obviously another reason for the haters to hate on...PeACe
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Lebron James sat in the bench when his team was down by 30 pts today (like kobe's team) i guess lebron is also a quitter
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Lebron James sat in the bench when his team was down by 30 pts today (like kobe's team) i guess lebron is also a quitter
No! :-X :-X :-X LeBron is God!!! Heehee. :camp:
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You guys are all right!!! Jordan woulda' single-handedly won the game 1-on-5 in the 2nd half. I mean, the guy had no flaws!
LMFAO! This board is extremely hilarious...
It was self-evident that Kobe wasn't gunna win the game alone
so is that why kobe played with no heart in the 2nd half.
how do u know he was playing with no heart, did u see him holding up a sign that said im playing with no heart? cause what i saw was a guy who was desperately trying to get his team into the game but the more he tried the more shots they missed, everyone besides kobe played HORRIBLE I mean nobody could make a shot, it was ridiculous, what do you expect him to do? do you expect him to single handedly erase a 30 point deficit in 1 qtr when his teammates are dead as fuck? they did it a few years ago against dallas but kobe had the whole team rolling thats the difference
god i seriously cant believe some of the hate on here, you guys are just looking for reasons to hate
Dont be mad at me... be mad at chokey.... a true leader would not let his team play like that going into a do or die game. hell jordan erased a 30 point deficit in game 3 of the NBA finals against the suns. Granted they lost in triple OT. The team was playing like crap and suns were playing great. Jordan turned that team around b/c he wasnt having that shit. Now if the lakers were such a great team like everyone here says and Kobe >>> Jordan, how come kobe couldnt turn that team around. Truth be told I dont hate kobe and pretty sure no one here hates kobe. And only a asshole wouldnt recognize what a talent kobe truly is. But you laker fans say some crazy shit when it comes to bball. I see people trying to down play how important shaq was to those championship. Trying to say kobe has already surpassed jordan. Its shit like that, that makes the non laker/kobe fans turn to haters to bust balls. But that dont click in ya heads.
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Lebron James sat in the bench when his team was down by 30 pts today (like kobe's team) i guess lebron is also a quitter
Game 1 =/ Game 7
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whats lebron gotta do with anything... and nik why are you so emotional. And btw nik there have been many times you said kobe is already better then jordan. I believe you even made a thread about it a year or 2 ago.
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lakers showed all their weaknesses, suns showed theyre a-game plain and simple.
and yeah, jordan wouldnt have let his team blow a 3-1 series lead, pippen or no pippen.
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You guys are all right!!! Jordan woulda' single-handedly won the game 1-on-5 in the 2nd half. I mean, the guy had no flaws!
LMFAO! This board is extremely hilarious...
It was self-evident that Kobe wasn't gunna win the game alone
so is that why kobe played with no heart in the 2nd half.
how do u know he was playing with no heart, did u see him holding up a sign that said im playing with no heart? cause what i saw was a guy who was desperately trying to get his team into the game but the more he tried the more shots they missed, everyone besides kobe played HORRIBLE I mean nobody could make a shot, it was ridiculous, what do you expect him to do? do you expect him to single handedly erase a 30 point deficit in 1 qtr when his teammates are dead as fuck? they did it a few years ago against dallas but kobe had the whole team rolling thats the difference
god i seriously cant believe some of the hate on here, you guys are just looking for reasons to hate
Dont be mad at me... be mad at chokey.... a true leader would not let his team play like that going into a do or die game. hell jordan erased a 30 point deficit in game 3 of the NBA finals against the suns. Granted they lost in triple OT. The team was playing like crap and suns were playing great. Jordan turned that team around b/c he wasnt having that shit. Now if the lakers were such a great team like everyone here says and Kobe >>> Jordan, how come kobe couldnt turn that team around. Truth be told I dont hate kobe and pretty sure no one here hates kobe. And only a asshole wouldnt recognize what a talent kobe truly is. But you laker fans say some crazy shit when it comes to bball. I see people trying to down play how important shaq was to those championship. Trying to say kobe has already surpassed jordan. Its shit like that, that makes the non laker/kobe fans turn to haters to bust balls. But that dont click in ya heads.
You are slow. JORDAN NEVER BEAT A TEAM IN A GAME 7 BY PLAYING 1-ON-5. JORDAN NEVER HAD A TEAM AS YOUNG AND INEXPERIENCED AS THE LAKERS. KOBE WAS DOIN WHAT PHIL TOLD HIM. YOU ARE A KOBE HATER. :-*
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whats lebron gotta do with anything... and nik why are you so emotional. And btw nik there have been many times you said kobe is already better then jordan. I believe you even made a thread about it a year or 2 ago.
I don't think Kobe is currently better than Jordan was, but I think he is most definitely on track with Jordan when Jordan was 27. I think you can't compare yet because Kobe is just now entering his prime and Jordan's career is already written. I think 24 will be the beginning of a new era for Kobe...I want ya'll to mark my words...PeACe
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lakers showed all their weaknesses, suns showed theyre a-game plain and simple.
and yeah, jordan wouldnt have let his team blow a 3-1 series lead, pippen or no pippen.
I'm sorry, but Jordan never played with so much youth and inexperienced players. Kobe's supporting cast shot in the 30's percentage-wise from the field. That is out of Kobe's hands, he is not God, and neither was Jordan...PeACe
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I basically agree. Kobe was mad cause he and his team had no chance versus the Suns, and because of his ego-centric persona he tried to show to the world how much his teammates actually suck and how it's not his fault at all when his team is losing. He got skills playing basketball, noone's arguing that. But he's got a bad character and that also shows on the court and in games. And THAT is why a Jordan comparision will ALWAYS be ridiculous to me.
Dude like in alot of ways, I agree. Kobe has bad sportsmanship & can get selfish. However you have to give him credit for getting his team involved during the first 4-5 games of this series. If Kobe played like that all the time i'd have to compare him to Jordan. But he doesnt. Hell as a team player Lebron's many times better than Kobe & his only 20-21 (not sure which one)
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I basically agree. Kobe was mad cause he and his team had no chance versus the Suns, and because of his ego-centric persona he tried to show to the world how much his teammates actually suck and how it's not his fault at all when his team is losing. He got skills playing basketball, noone's arguing that. But he's got a bad character and that also shows on the court and in games. And THAT is why a Jordan comparision will ALWAYS be ridiculous to me.
Dude like in alot of ways, I agree. Kobe has bad sportsmanship & can get selfish. However you have to give him credit for getting his team involved during the first 4-5 games of this series. If Kobe played like that all the time i'd have to compare him to Jordan. But he doesnt. Hell as a team player Lebron's many times better than Kobe & his only 20-21 (not sure which one)
LeBron doesn't lead the way Kobe does, LeBron disappears for long stretches and the Cavs can still pull out a win...Kobe plays the same always, it's his teammates who lowered their level in the last few losses. ::)
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Are you retarded? Explain to me how he had no heart. He was doing what Phil Jackson told him to do, he wanted to get the others going so that they could get in a rythym and punk Suns as a team, like they did in the other games. Obviously, it wasn't going down for them, Kobe knows he can get his shot on, but he also knows he can't beat the Suns 1-5...You're just too fuckin stupid to comprehend the concept of strategy, and are OBVIOUSLY a Kobe hater...PeACe
^^ I got to admit, Sccits got a point.
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In a game 7, when your the leading scorer of the NBA and everybody knows that your nearly unstopable and you team is losing big time you got to step your game up!!!!
1 point, that's not what your team, your fan and your coach expect from you...
That's why Kobe would never ever be as great as Michael, because Jordan always do what everybody expect him do to and a lot of time he did even more...
Michael did miss some big shots in his career, but he always come stronger the game after... After loosing by 1 in OT I didn't see Kobe come out stronger!!!
And seriously do you really think that Phil Jackson told Kobe to do 1 point in the second half... Phil Jackson isn't dumb, he knows better than anybody in the league that Kobe is unstopable, so why restrain him to pass the ball to his off teamates?
IMO Kobe Bryant is this year MVP (even if i'm canadian lol), and an MVP doesn't get 1 point in the most important half of the season...
That's what I call choking!!!
Jordan would have do anything in his power to win the game... Kobe didn't do that...
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In a game 7, when your the leading scorer of the NBA and everybody knows that your nearly unstopable and you team is losing big time you got to step your game up!!!!
1 point, that's not what your team, your fan and your coach expect from you...
That's why Kobe would never ever be as great as Michael, because Jordan always do what everybody expect him do to and a lot of time he did even more...
Michael did miss some big shots in his career, but he always come stronger the game after... After loosing by 1 in OT I didn't see Kobe come out stronger!!!
And seriously do you really think that Phil Jackson told Kobe to do 1 point in the second half... Phil Jackson isn't dumb, he knows better than anybody in the league that Kobe is unstopable, so why restrain him to pass the ball to his off teamates?
IMO Kobe Bryant is this year MVP (even if i'm canadian lol), and an MVP doesn't get 1 point in the most important half of the season...
That's what I call choking!!!
Jordan would have do anything in his power to win the game... Kobe didn't do that...
You're missing the point. Kobe DID come out killing in Game 7, he had 24 points in the first half, but they were still down by 15...You know why? Because his TEAMMATES weren't performing to their standards along with Kobe...That's why, in the 2nd half, he tried getting the other guys going, so that they can all attack Phoenix together...PHIL CALLED FOR IT, he didn't specify how many shots he wanted Kobe to shoot, but like I said, Kobe wasn't gunna shoot them out of a 25 point deficit alone, which is why he tried getting the other guys going, which IS doing everything in his power to win the game...Jacking up 20 shots in the second half wouldn't have been doing everything in his power, they still woulda' lost, only now people would be blaming Kobe for sabatoging Phil's game-plan instead of hating on him for going along with it...Haters, they gone hate...PeACe
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You're missing the point. Kobe DID come out killing in Game 7, he had 24 points in the first half, but they were still down by 15...You know why? Because his TEAMMATES weren't performing to their standards along with Kobe...That's why, in the 2nd half, he tried getting the other guys going, so that they can all attack Phoenix together...PHIL CALLED FOR IT, he didn't specify how many shots he wanted Kobe to shoot, but like I said, Kobe wasn't gunna shoot them out of a 25 point deficit alone, which is why he tried getting the other guys going, which IS doing everything in his power to win the game...Jacking up 20 shots in the second half wouldn't have been doing everything in his power, they still woulda' lost, only now people would be blaming Kobe for sabatoging Phil's game-plan instead of hating on him for going along with it...Haters, they gone hate...PeACe
A NBA half is 24 minutes... That mean plenty of time to make adjustements and changing strategies. Even with 12 minutes left in the game Kobe could had changed something by taking more shots or at least trying to create something (like going to the free throw line, or just playing more D)...
Your a fool if you think Phil's game plan was to keep the ball out of his best player hands... Yeah Kobe tried to get his teammates involved as Phil ask, but he didn't recgognized what Jordan would had recgognized : I trust my teammates as long as they get the job done, if not i'm the best player in this team and i'm carrying them on my shoulder like it or not...
That's what is greatness
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You're missing the point. Kobe DID come out killing in Game 7, he had 24 points in the first half, but they were still down by 15...You know why? Because his TEAMMATES weren't performing to their standards along with Kobe...That's why, in the 2nd half, he tried getting the other guys going, so that they can all attack Phoenix together...PHIL CALLED FOR IT, he didn't specify how many shots he wanted Kobe to shoot, but like I said, Kobe wasn't gunna shoot them out of a 25 point deficit alone, which is why he tried getting the other guys going, which IS doing everything in his power to win the game...Jacking up 20 shots in the second half wouldn't have been doing everything in his power, they still woulda' lost, only now people would be blaming Kobe for sabatoging Phil's game-plan instead of hating on him for going along with it...Haters, they gone hate...PeACe
A NBA half is 24 minutes... That mean plenty of time to make adjustements and changing strategies. Even with 12 minutes left in the game Kobe could had changed something by taking more shots or at least trying to create something (like going to the free throw line, or just playing more D)...
Your a fool if you think Phil's game plan was to keep the ball out of his best player hands... Yeah Kobe tried to get his teammates involved as Phil ask, but he didn't recgognized what Jordan would had recgognized : I trust my teammates as long as they get the job done, if not i'm the best player in this team and i'm carrying them on my shoulder like it or not...
That's what is greatness
Okay, I give up...You're just too slow to understand. KOBE WASNT GUNNA WIN THE GAME ALONE. HE COULDA STARTED JACKING UP DESPERATION SHOTS, BUT HE WENT WITH WHAT PHIL SAID AND KEPT TRYING TO GET THE OTHER GUYS GOING UNTIL PHIL SAT HIM OUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE 4TH QUARTER! You keep saying that Kobe coulda' taken them on his shoulders, that's what he was doing all year long almost, and they lost a good portion of those games. You just don't understand it and I don't know why I'm taking my time to re-explain it time after time...Phil's game-plan wasn't to keep the ball out of Kobe's hand, it was to get the guys going so they can play 5-on-5, maybe cut it to a 10 point deficit, and that's when Kobe usually takes over...The teammaters never got going, they couldn't cut the deficit, and it's pretty self-evident that 1 player can't cut a 25 point lead alone...Do you still need more explaining? Kobe did what he was told, and if he woulda' started shooting more, they still woulda' lost, and you'd have a different reason to hate on him ("Kobe trashed Phil's game-plan")...Come on now, lets be fair...PeACe
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Okay, I give up...You're just too slow to understand. KOBE WASNT GUNNA WIN THE GAME ALONE. HE COULDA STARTED JACKING UP DESPERATION SHOTS, BUT HE WENT WITH WHAT PHIL SAID AND KEPT TRYING TO GET THE OTHER GUYS GOING UNTIL PHIL SAT HIM OUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE 4TH QUARTER! You keep saying that Kobe coulda' taken them on his shoulders, that's what he was doing all year long almost, and they lost a good portion of those games. You just don't understand it and I don't know why I'm taking my time to re-explain it time after time...Phil's game-plan wasn't to keep the ball out of Kobe's hand, it was to get the guys going so they can play 5-on-5, maybe cut it to a 10 point deficit, and that's when Kobe usually takes over...The teammaters never got going, they couldn't cut the deficit, and it's pretty self-evident that 1 player can't cut a 25 point lead alone...Do you still need more explaining? Kobe did what he was told, and if he woulda' started shooting more, they still woulda' lost, and you'd have a different reason to hate on him ("Kobe trashed Phil's game-plan")...Come on now, lets be fair...PeACe
Just for the record i'm far from hating on Kobe. He is one of my favorite player in the L... And like I said befor is the MVP of the 2005-2006 season imo.
I gotta give you that he got a great 1st half... I gotta give you that he probly do what Phil Jackson ask him to do in de 2nd half...
I can also give you that he couldn't had win the game by himself in the 2nd half...
But now WAKE UP, it was not in Phil's plan that his best player will not contribute at all in the most important half of the season...
It's Kobe's fault as much as any other player if they get their ass kick by the Suns. Don't get me wrong i'm really into that team concept they put up during the first round, but when every thing goes wrong and nobody putting the ball in the hole, as the team leader, the "best" player in the league, and the guy who we all know can score big digits in one half you gotta step up...
Same thing for Phil... As the best coach in basket ball history you gotta make adjustements as the game go... You gotta go with what bring you there, and that mean go with Kobe Bryant especially if nobody in the team is able to make a shot...
Is it Kobe's fault, or Phil's fault (along with every other Lakers players fault)??
imo it's Kobe's fault cause he is the one who got the responsability to put the ball in the basket and be the heart of this team...
PEACE
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Just for the record i'm far from hating on Kobe. He is one of my favorite player in the L... And like I said befor is the MVP of the 2005-2006 season imo.
I gotta give you that he got a great 1st half... I gotta give you that he probly do what Phil Jackson ask him to do in de 2nd half...
I can also give you that he couldn't had win the game by himself in the 2nd half...
Correct.
But now WAKE UP, it was not in Phil's plan that his best player will not contribute at all in the most important half of the season...
It's Kobe's fault as much as any other player if they get their ass kick by the Suns. Don't get me wrong i'm really into that team concept they put up during the first round, but when every thing goes wrong and nobody putting the ball in the hole, as the team leader, the "best" player in the league, and the guy who we all know can score big digits in one half you gotta step up...
Same thing for Phil... As the best coach in basket ball history you gotta make adjustements as the game go... You gotta go with what bring you there, and that mean go with Kobe Bryant especially if nobody in the team is able to make a shot...
Is it Kobe's fault, or Phil's fault (along with every other Lakers players fault)??
imo it's Kobe's fault cause he is the one who got the responsability to put the ball in the basket and be the heart of this team...
PEACE
See, this is where you're wrong, and I can keep breaking it down more and more until it gets to you 100%. Kobe WAS contributing. He was finding the opening in the triangle as he was doing all series long. He was feeding it to Kwame for easy baby-hooks, which Kwame missed. He was feeding it to Smush for open 3's, which Smush bricked. He was feeding it to Luke on cuts to the basket, which Luke couldn't finish...He WAS contributing, he just wasn't trying to find his own shot, cuz that was already there...Kobe coulda' done what you wanted him to, and that's pretty much jack up desperation shots to try and get them back in the game, but think of the reaction to that. I gaurantee you that almost everyone on this board would claim the Lakers lost because Kobe tossed out Phil's game-plan and tried to go 1-on-5 too much...But it doesn't matter, cuz like the homie Infinite said, some people will hate you no matter what you do, and that's pretty much what Kobe has to deal with on a daily basis...PeACe
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dont even argue with nik, he jacks off to kobe so what do you expect. He defends kobe no matter what. Kobe didnt choke, kobes not selfish, kobe didnt rape that girl hell he didnt even sleep with her even tho he said he did. Nik has a man crush on kobe.
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dont even argue with nik, he jacks off to kobe so what do you expect. He defends kobe no matter what. Kobe didnt choke, kobes not selfish, kobe didnt rape that girl hell he didnt even sleep with her even tho he said he did. Nik has a man crush on kobe.
Oh wow, you are sooooo funny. You fail to realize that your immaturity really keeps people from taking you seriously, while I post hard fact that sway peoples foggy opinions...What do you do on this board? You add absolutely nothing, just like you do in life... :-*
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I don't feel like i'm arguing, cause arguing with someone mean discus... But with him you can't do that, he is so stuck into his head... It's fucking pathetic...
I LOVE KOBE BRYANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT 1 POINT IN THE MOST IMPORTANT HALF OF THE SEASON (when your the NBA leading scorer and the only player in your team who can actualy put the ball in the hole) IS CONSIDERING CHOKING!!!!!!!!!!1
Don't get me wrong his teammates did choke to...
He was feeding it to Kwame for easy baby-hooks, which Kwame missed. He was feeding it to Smush for open 3's, which Smush bricked. He was feeding it to Luke on cuts to the basket, which Luke couldn't finish...He WAS contributing, he just wasn't trying to find his own shot, cuz that was already there...
There's no way Kobe Bryant was a factor in the second half... NO FUCKING WAY!!!!!
Did you watch the game?? How can you say that Kobe didn't choke??
Your annoying man, I can't say your totaly wrong cause i know nobody gives Kobe a break... But man you can't say i'm wrong, cause everybody who watch the game saw that Kobe CHOKE BIG TIME IN THE SECOND HALF!
You should change your name to : Now_Im_Raped... By Kobe in the ass...
Peace
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I don't feel like i'm arguing, cause arguing with someone mean discus... But with him you can't do that, he is so stuck into his head... It's fucking pathetic...
I LOVE KOBE BRYANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT 1 POINT IN THE MOST IMPORTANT HALF OF THE SEASON (when your the NBA leading scorer and the only player in your team who can actualy put the ball in the hole) IS CONSIDERING CHOKING!!!!!!!!!!1
Don't get me wrong his teammates did choke to...
He was feeding it to Kwame for easy baby-hooks, which Kwame missed. He was feeding it to Smush for open 3's, which Smush bricked. He was feeding it to Luke on cuts to the basket, which Luke couldn't finish...He WAS contributing, he just wasn't trying to find his own shot, cuz that was already there...
There's no way Kobe Bryant was a factor in the second half... NO FUCKING WAY!!!!!
Did you watch the game?? How can you say that Kobe didn't choke??
Your annoying man, I can't say your totaly wrong cause i know nobody gives Kobe a break... But man you can't say i'm wrong, cause everybody who watch the game saw that Kobe CHOKE BIG TIME IN THE SECOND HALF!
You should change your name to : Now_Im_Raped... By Kobe in the ass...
Peace
Man, you're not even on my level, you have no fucking clue what you're even talking about...It was already obvious the Lakers were losing in the first 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter when the Suns repeatedly broke down the Laker defense. In order to counter that, Kobe was trying to break down the Suns defense in finding the open man and get the Lakers going as a team...How you fail to understand this is beyond me. He didn't score because it wasn't gunna help, they lose EITHER WAY, the only small chance of hope was if somehow the whole team gained some momentum on offense which would carry into their defense...Of course, you probably don't even get half the shit I'm saying. I wouldn't be surprised if you're basing your opinions on watching the ESPN highlights...Come on, man, don't break that weak shit around here... 8)
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dont even argue with nik, he jacks off to kobe so what do you expect. He defends kobe no matter what. Kobe didnt choke, kobes not selfish, kobe didnt rape that girl hell he didnt even sleep with her even tho he said he did. Nik has a man crush on kobe.
Oh wow, you are sooooo funny. You fail to realize that your immaturity really keeps people from taking you seriously, while I post hard fact that sway peoples foggy opinions...What do you do on this board? You add absolutely nothing, just like you do in life... :-*
i dont care if i ever swayed anyones opinion here nik, but dont kid yourself... you havnt swayed anyones opinion either with your immature name calling. so bottom line where in the same boat deal with it.
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dont even argue with nik, he jacks off to kobe so what do you expect. He defends kobe no matter what. Kobe didnt choke, kobes not selfish, kobe didnt rape that girl hell he didnt even sleep with her even tho he said he did. Nik has a man crush on kobe.
Oh wow, you are sooooo funny. You fail to realize that your immaturity really keeps people from taking you seriously, while I post hard fact that sway peoples foggy opinions...What do you do on this board? You add absolutely nothing, just like you do in life... :-*
i dont care if i ever swayed anyones opinion here nik, but dont kid yourself... you havnt swayed anyones opinion either with your immature name calling. so bottom line where in the same boat deal with it.
Actually, no, I'm not just name-calling, I'm making valid points. Where was Dirk in the 2nd half of last nights game? How 'bout LeBron? You don't hear people claiming they have no heart, and they actually have dependable teammates with experience...I bet you didn't even see any of those games. ::)
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dont even argue with nik, he jacks off to kobe so what do you expect. He defends kobe no matter what. Kobe didnt choke, kobes not selfish, kobe didnt rape that girl hell he didnt even sleep with her even tho he said he did. Nik has a man crush on kobe.
Oh wow, you are sooooo funny. You fail to realize that your immaturity really keeps people from taking you seriously, while I post hard fact that sway peoples foggy opinions...What do you do on this board? You add absolutely nothing, just like you do in life... :-*
i dont care if i ever swayed anyones opinion here nik, but dont kid yourself... you havnt swayed anyones opinion either with your immature name calling. so bottom line where in the same boat deal with it.
Actually, no, I'm not just name-calling, I'm making valid points. Where was Dirk in the 2nd half of last nights game? How 'bout LeBron? You don't hear people claiming they have no heart, and they actually have dependable teammates with experience...I bet you didn't even see any of those games. ::)
there is a big difference between the first game of a series and a game 7... especially when the person that choked in the game 7 is compared to jordan on a regular basis.
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dont even argue with nik, he jacks off to kobe so what do you expect. He defends kobe no matter what. Kobe didnt choke, kobes not selfish, kobe didnt rape that girl hell he didnt even sleep with her even tho he said he did. Nik has a man crush on kobe.
Oh wow, you are sooooo funny. You fail to realize that your immaturity really keeps people from taking you seriously, while I post hard fact that sway peoples foggy opinions...What do you do on this board? You add absolutely nothing, just like you do in life... :-*
i dont care if i ever swayed anyones opinion here nik, but dont kid yourself... you havnt swayed anyones opinion either with your immature name calling. so bottom line where in the same boat deal with it.
Actually, no, I'm not just name-calling, I'm making valid points. Where was Dirk in the 2nd half of last nights game? How 'bout LeBron? You don't hear people claiming they have no heart, and they actually have dependable teammates with experience...I bet you didn't even see any of those games. ::)
there is a big difference between the first game of a series and a game 7... especially when the person that choked in the game 7 is compared to jordan on a regular basis.
How does he choke when he's doing what Phil Jackson told him to? That's what amazes me about you haters, you say things with no basis. Let me make it simple for your simple mind. Kobe tried to get the players going in the beginning first half. They failed. Then Kobe played 1-on-5 for a good portion of the first half (quite impressively, I might add) and the Lakers were still down by a lot. In the second half, Kobe tried doing the same thing, getting his teammates going by getting them involved so they can all attack the Suns. Again, they failed, and were now in an unescapable deficit deep in the 3rd quarter. Kobe knew it would take more than 1-on-5 to beat this team with the weak defense they were displaying, but nothing he did for them seemed to lift them...Now, there are idiots like you who turn that into hatred for Kobe, when you know damn well that if Kobe woulda' started jacking up shots in the 2nd half you would be hating on him for that too...I also doubt you saw the game, and feel like you just want to hate on Kobe since he's compared to your one and only Jordan...Just stop that shit, because no matter what, Kobe was definitely not the problem in Game 7 for the Lakers...PeACe
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dont even argue with nik, he jacks off to kobe so what do you expect. He defends kobe no matter what. Kobe didnt choke, kobes not selfish, kobe didnt rape that girl hell he didnt even sleep with her even tho he said he did. Nik has a man crush on kobe.
Oh wow, you are sooooo funny. You fail to realize that your immaturity really keeps people from taking you seriously, while I post hard fact that sway peoples foggy opinions...What do you do on this board? You add absolutely nothing, just like you do in life... :-*
i dont care if i ever swayed anyones opinion here nik, but dont kid yourself... you havnt swayed anyones opinion either with your immature name calling. so bottom line where in the same boat deal with it.
Actually, no, I'm not just name-calling, I'm making valid points. Where was Dirk in the 2nd half of last nights game? How 'bout LeBron? You don't hear people claiming they have no heart, and they actually have dependable teammates with experience...I bet you didn't even see any of those games. ::)
there is a big difference between the first game of a series and a game 7... especially when the person that choked in the game 7 is compared to jordan on a regular basis.
How does he choke when he's doing what Phil Jackson told him to? That's what amazes me about you haters, you say things with no basis. Let me make it simple for your simple mind. Kobe tried to get the players going in the beginning first half. They failed. Then Kobe played 1-on-5 for a good portion of the first half (quite impressively, I might add) and the Lakers were still down by a lot. In the second half, Kobe tried doing the same thing, getting his teammates going by getting them involved so they can all attack the Suns. Again, they failed, and were now in an unescapable deficit deep in the 3rd quarter. Kobe knew it would take more than 1-on-5 to beat this team with the weak defense they were displaying, but nothing he did for them seemed to lift them...Now, there are idiots like you who turn that into hatred for Kobe, when you know damn well that if Kobe woulda' started jacking up shots in the 2nd half you would be hating on him for that too...I also doubt you saw the game, and feel like you just want to hate on Kobe since he's compared to your one and only Jordan...Just stop that shit, because no matter what, Kobe was definitely not the problem in Game 7 for the Lakers...PeACe
just watched pti, michael wilbon and many others agree kobe choked. Deal with it. The man has done some amazing things during his career. But he choked in this game.... DEAL WITH IT
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dont even argue with nik, he jacks off to kobe so what do you expect. He defends kobe no matter what. Kobe didnt choke, kobes not selfish, kobe didnt rape that girl hell he didnt even sleep with her even tho he said he did. Nik has a man crush on kobe.
Oh wow, you are sooooo funny. You fail to realize that your immaturity really keeps people from taking you seriously, while I post hard fact that sway peoples foggy opinions...What do you do on this board? You add absolutely nothing, just like you do in life... :-*
i dont care if i ever swayed anyones opinion here nik, but dont kid yourself... you havnt swayed anyones opinion either with your immature name calling. so bottom line where in the same boat deal with it.
Actually, no, I'm not just name-calling, I'm making valid points. Where was Dirk in the 2nd half of last nights game? How 'bout LeBron? You don't hear people claiming they have no heart, and they actually have dependable teammates with experience...I bet you didn't even see any of those games. ::)
there is a big difference between the first game of a series and a game 7... especially when the person that choked in the game 7 is compared to jordan on a regular basis.
How does he choke when he's doing what Phil Jackson told him to? That's what amazes me about you haters, you say things with no basis. Let me make it simple for your simple mind. Kobe tried to get the players going in the beginning first half. They failed. Then Kobe played 1-on-5 for a good portion of the first half (quite impressively, I might add) and the Lakers were still down by a lot. In the second half, Kobe tried doing the same thing, getting his teammates going by getting them involved so they can all attack the Suns. Again, they failed, and were now in an unescapable deficit deep in the 3rd quarter. Kobe knew it would take more than 1-on-5 to beat this team with the weak defense they were displaying, but nothing he did for them seemed to lift them...Now, there are idiots like you who turn that into hatred for Kobe, when you know damn well that if Kobe woulda' started jacking up shots in the 2nd half you would be hating on him for that too...I also doubt you saw the game, and feel like you just want to hate on Kobe since he's compared to your one and only Jordan...Just stop that shit, because no matter what, Kobe was definitely not the problem in Game 7 for the Lakers...PeACe
just watched pti, michael wilbon and many others agree kobe choked. Deal with it. The man has done some amazing things during his career. But he choked in this game.... DEAL WITH IT
LMAO...I know many media personnels say Kobe choked. That's a point I've been trying to make as well...and if you comprehend what went on, you understand Kobe DIDN'T choke, like I've explained in detail...You're just a figment of the media, you don't even have your own perspective, cuz you didn't see the game...PeACe
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i didnt read the whole thread so i MAY be missing important posts. what i am getting from this is ppl argueing saying kobe pretty much "gave up" because he knew he was going to lose. The reason why i didnt agree with what kobe did was because he is the leagues leading scorer and he should be scoring more then 1 poiunt in the second half. even if phil said pass and get your teammates involved it is retarded to just stop scoring. it doesnt matter if he was oging to lose. a true player fights till the end. and what kobe did IMO was play the game but did not put in 100% effort. and if kobe did start shooting and making baskets the people calling him a ballhog after watching the game would be idiots because it was obvious his teammates werent doing shit. and we all know kobe is capable of scoring more then a single point in a whole half...
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i didnt read the whole thread so i MAY be missing important posts. what i am getting from this is ppl argueing saying kobe pretty much "gave up" because he knew he was going to lose. The reason why i didnt agree with what kobe did was because he is the leagues leading scorer and he should be scoring more then 1 poiunt in the second half. even if phil said pass and get your teammates involved it is retarded to just stop scoring. it doesnt matter if he was oging to lose. a true player fights till the end. and what kobe did IMO was play the game but did not put in 100% effort. and if kobe did start shooting and making baskets the people calling him a ballhog after watching the game would be idiots because it was obvious his teammates werent doing shit. and we all know kobe is capable of scoring more then a single point in a whole half...
To sum it up for you (since you didn't read the whole thread), Kobe had to get the other players going in order to stand a chance. Kobe coulda' scored a lot, but the Lakers woulda' stood less of a chance at winning, because then there woulda' been NO chance that the other players would get going, which would be killing any chance the Lakers had...PeACe
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Kwame Brown sucks he soo garbage!
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Kwame Brown sucks he soo garbage!
Not really. He came into his own in the 2nd half of the season...Though I do agree that he really wasn't the same after the rape accusation (Games 5, 6, and 7). That REALLY takes a lot of focus out of a player like Kwame...
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Kwame Brown sucks he soo garbage!
Not really. He came into his own in the 2nd half of the season...Though I do agree that he really wasn't the same after the rape accusation (Games 5, 6, and 7). That REALLY takes a lot of focus out of a player like Kwame...
he was accused of rape?? i didnt know that. u got to admit though e missed alot of easy shots. he seems like a wate of space to me. n smoosh parker needs to learn his position n play it .
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Kwame Brown sucks he soo garbage!
Not really. He came into his own in the 2nd half of the season...Though I do agree that he really wasn't the same after the rape accusation (Games 5, 6, and 7). That REALLY takes a lot of focus out of a player like Kwame...
he was accused of rape?? i didnt know that. u got to admit though e missed alot of easy shots. he seems like a wate of space to me. n smoosh parker needs to learn his position n play it .
You obviously haven't seen Kwame play in the later parts of this season. He was very dominant out there at points, and looked very promising...I fully expect him to have a breakthrough seaon in '06-'07...As for Smush, he's young, and he came a long way from bouncing back and forth from the NBDL to the NBA. I fully expect him to come out more mature next season with the same (maybe even more) athletic ability...The future is lookin' bright... 8)
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And yes, Kwame was accused of rape. It supposedly took place in a California hotel after the Lakers' Game 4 victory...Just another dumb bitch tryna cash in, you know...But it really took a lot out of Kwame and his focus in the remaining game, he's psychologicaly a very fragile player. He was a major key to any succes the Lakers DID have in this years playoffs...PeACe
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Kwame Brown sucks he soo garbage!
Not really. He came into his own in the 2nd half of the season...Though I do agree that he really wasn't the same after the rape accusation (Games 5, 6, and 7). That REALLY takes a lot of focus out of a player like Kwame...
he was accused of rape?? i didnt know that. u got to admit though e missed alot of easy shots. he seems like a wate of space to me. n smoosh parker needs to learn his position n play it .
You obviously haven't seen Kwame play in the later parts of this season. He was very dominant out there at points, and looked very promising...I fully expect him to have a breakthrough seaon in '06-'07...As for Smush, he's young, and he came a long way from bouncing back and forth from the NBDL to the NBA. I fully expect him to come out more mature next season with the same (maybe even more) athletic ability...The future is lookin' bright... 8)
its obvious your a good observor of the game and I can sort of see where u comin from. but if u played highschool ball or just play competively. Them two foos just do stupid shit sometimes thats just retarted. Like the Lakers would have won that series if dumbass kwame just didnt run and jump right pass dude tryin to block that shot at the top of the 3pt. I think it was Tim Thomas just simply shyt like that
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Kwame Brown sucks he soo garbage!
Not really. He came into his own in the 2nd half of the season...Though I do agree that he really wasn't the same after the rape accusation (Games 5, 6, and 7). That REALLY takes a lot of focus out of a player like Kwame...
he was accused of rape?? i didnt know that. u got to admit though e missed alot of easy shots. he seems like a wate of space to me. n smoosh parker needs to learn his position n play it .
You obviously haven't seen Kwame play in the later parts of this season. He was very dominant out there at points, and looked very promising...I fully expect him to have a breakthrough seaon in '06-'07...As for Smush, he's young, and he came a long way from bouncing back and forth from the NBDL to the NBA. I fully expect him to come out more mature next season with the same (maybe even more) athletic ability...The future is lookin' bright... 8)
its obvious your a good observor of the game and I can sort of see where u comin from. but if u played highschool ball or just play competively. Them two foos just do stupid shit sometimes thats just retarted. Like the Lakers would have won that series if dumbass kwame just didnt run and jump right pass dude tryin to block that shot at the top of the 3pt. I think it was Tim Thomas just simply shyt like that
Yes. Those are mistakes that come from inexperience. That's why I said it's a growth process, most of these guys have never been in situations like that...But now they have. I fully expect them to play their best ball next season...
P.S. I did play high school ball...Jordan Farmar was actually on my team.
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^^^ can you dunk a basketball?
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^^^ can you dunk a basketball?
Yea, I'm 6'5"...I fucked up my knee senior year though, and I haven't been able to jump the same since. I'd be in the NBA right now if it wasn't for that. ;)
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Kwame Brown sucks he soo garbage!
Not really. He came into his own in the 2nd half of the season...Though I do agree that he really wasn't the same after the rape accusation (Games 5, 6, and 7). That REALLY takes a lot of focus out of a player like Kwame...
he was accused of rape?? i didnt know that. u got to admit though e missed alot of easy shots. he seems like a wate of space to me. n smoosh parker needs to learn his position n play it .
You obviously haven't seen Kwame play in the later parts of this season. He was very dominant out there at points, and looked very promising...I fully expect him to have a breakthrough seaon in '06-'07...As for Smush, he's young, and he came a long way from bouncing back and forth from the NBDL to the NBA. I fully expect him to come out more mature next season with the same (maybe even more) athletic ability...The future is lookin' bright... 8)
its obvious your a good observor of the game and I can sort of see where u comin from. but if u played highschool ball or just play competively. Them two foos just do stupid shit sometimes thats just retarted. Like the Lakers would have won that series if dumbass kwame just didnt run and jump right pass dude tryin to block that shot at the top of the 3pt. I think it was Tim Thomas just simply shyt like that
Yes. Those are mistakes that come from inexperience. That's why I said it's a growth process, most of these guys have never been in situations like that...But now they have. I fully expect them to play their best ball next season...
P.S. I did play high school ball...Jordan Farmar was actually on my team.
yea thats tru well im still Lakers all day and hopefully they comeback strong next year .