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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: acbaylove on May 28, 2005, 01:56:06 PM
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We weren't supposed to have this conversation yet. But Dwyane Wade reset the timetable.
He has a way of doing that. The Miami Heat's second-year guard forces comparisons you aren't ready to make, sometimes even bringing us to the brink of basketball blasphemy. He makes you feel bad, because no matter how much basketball you watched you didn't see this coming.
And now he makes you uncomfortable, because you must ask the question: Who's the best perimeter player in the game, Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant?
Put it to Eddie Jones and watch him squirm. He plays with Wade now, but he was on the Lakers when Bryant broke in and has known him since he was at Temple and Bryant played high school ball in suburban Philadelphia.
"Whew," Jones said. "
I can't pick. I love both. I think they're both great. One-on-one
I don't know who's better. Kobe's 6-7, strong. Dwyane's 6-4, strong, quicker."
This season, Wade averaged 24.1 points, 6.8 assists, 5.2 rebounds and shot 47.8% from the field, 28.9% on three-pointers. Bryant: 27.6 points, 6.0 assists, 5.9 rebounds, 43.3% shooting, 33.9% three-point shooting.
Bryant has scored 11,189 more points in his career and has three championship rings. Wade has yet to appear in the NBA Finals.
Bryant is more accomplished. But Wade is playing better right now, and he keeps doing things that skip him past Bryant and into the company of NBA legends.
When he averaged 26.3 points, 8.8 assists, 6.3 rebounds and shot 50% from the field in the Heat's first-round sweep of the New Jersey Nets, Wade joined Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Wilt Chamberlain, Larry Bird, Oscar Robertson and Bob Cousy as the only players to average at least 25 points, eight assists and six rebounds while shooting 50% in a series. When he averaged 31 points, eight assists, seven rebounds and shot 53% in the second round against Washington, he joined Bird as the only players to do it twice in the same postseason.
And just when it appeared the Detroit Pistons had brought Wade back to the mortal plane by holding him to 16 points on seven-for-25 shooting in the first game of the Eastern Conference finals, Wade responded with 40 points, eight rebounds and six assists to lead the Heat to victory in Game 2.
Wade playing while Bryant's team didn't qualify for the postseason gives him the edge right now. True, he is playing alongside Shaquille O'Neal, but O'Neal is limping through the worst postseason of his career. In the two playoff games O'Neal missed with a bruised right thigh, Wade went for a total of 73 points.
And when he played with Lamar Odom, Brian Grant and Caron Butler the players who were traded to the Lakers for O'Neal Wade went to the second round of the playoffs.
Wade should make Bryant that much better next season. After Bryant finishes licking his wounds, he can set about recapturing his old glory that now belongs to Wade the accolades, the jersey sales, the great postseason moments.
In the 1997-98 season, when Bryant was a second-year player subbing for Jones, I used to wonder who would be the Lakers' second Hall of Fame player to go with Shaquille O'Neal. The common belief was that it required at least two future Springfield enshrinees to win a championship. Then one game, while watching Bryant score at will, I had the answer. It would be Kobe.
From then on it was like watching "Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith." You knew exactly where this was going.
Wade, on the other hand, was a surprise. Heat President Pat Riley drafted him with the No. 5 pick in 2003, and he didn't expect this.
Others were told how good he was, and still didn't get with the program fast enough.
Tom Crean, Wade's coach at Marquette, was an assistant coach at Michigan State when Steve Smith played there and during Wade's college career Crean let the longtime NBA veteran know, "Steve, we've got a special one here."
So Smith paid attention, but he didn't see the revolution coming. He saw Wade as a slasher, a guy who could drive the baseline about the same as Ruben Patterson, he thought.
Smith, now a reserve for the Heat, has seen the entire package unfold this season. He's so impressed by Wade's ball-handling skills, the versatility, the ability to define what he wants to do as a player.
www.latimes.com
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W A D E
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D.Wack might be flash but kobe is flashier.
D.Wack needs to acomplish the things kobe has done..D.Wack has not one shit..he's playing good against avg teams kobe did it against the twin towers t.duncan and d.robinson and the kings and spurs and all those other teams,the west confrense has always been tough
noone has more game winning shots then kobe the last 6 years or big 4rth querters big shots,kobe has playd in alot of big games
141 pts combined in back to back to back road games in the 2001 playoffs,the last two vs san antonio..kobe was apart of a team that sweep the west ,2001 Lakers,3 straight championships,only 4 times has that been done,..the celtics back in the days,the bulls 2 times and the Lakers..
D.Wack has not done shit,he has alot of work to do before you compare him to kobe
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Wade's the better player of the two because he doesn't have to have the spotlight on him. In fact, based on his personality, it seems that he'd rather not have any spotlight on him at all. Kobe has to be the man, Wade doesn't. If Wade can be average or below average and his team can still win. Kobe has to be damn near spectactular for his team to win.
Go ahead Kobe fans...flame away.
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Wade's the better player of the two because he doesn't have to have the spotlight on him. In fact, based on his personality, it seems that he'd rather not have any spotlight on him at all. Kobe has to be the man, Wade doesn't. If Wade can be average or below average and his team can still win. Kobe has to be damn near spectactular for his team to win.
Go ahead Kobe fans...flame away.
stupidest reason why D.Wack is better then kobe.spotlight??? LOL,that has nothing to do whos better
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Go ahead Kobe fans...flame away.
Is not even about been a kobe fan..we give you the fuckin facts,D.Wade has not done shit,
that's like a Lakers fan saying "kobe is better then jordan" and then telling bulls fans "go ahead jordan fans flame on"..you're an idiot!!..
let D.WAck get a couple of trophys and then we could compare the two but untill then,stop it..is ok to compare kobe and jordan because kobe has rings,he's put up big #'s and has had big games and all that jordan stuff
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Lets see what type of career each player has then compare.
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Lets see what type of career each player has then compare.
WHAT THE hell are you talking about?!..kobe has done so much in his career,is not easy to acomplish what he has acomplish
d.wack has alot of catching up to do,just like kobe has to catch up to jordan,kobe is the only one chasing jordan,D.Wack is chasing kobe
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Lets see what type of career each player has then compare.
WHAT THE hell are you talking about?!..kobe has done so much in his career,is not easy to acomplish what he has acomplish
d.wack has alot of catching up to do,just like kobe has to catch up to jordan,kobe is the only one chasing jordan,D.Wack is chasing kobe
Relax. Of cours eKobe has done so much more in his career than Wade. Thats why a fair assesment of both players would be at the end of both of their careers.
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Go ahead Kobe fans...flame away.
Is not even about been a kobe fan..we give you the fuckin facts,D.Wade has not done shit,
that's like a Lakers fan saying "kobe is better then jordan" and then telling bulls fans "go ahead jordan fans flame on"..you're an idiot!!..
let D.WAck get a couple of trophys and then we could compare the two but untill then,stop it..is ok to compare kobe and jordan because kobe has rings,he's put up big #'s and has had big games and all that jordan stuff
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if its not about being a kobe fan how bout you stop referring to wade as "d wack" and come off as a little more unbiased. alright mr.airhead?
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Kobe has my vote
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Lets see what type of career each player has then compare.
WHAT THE hell are you talking about?!..kobe has done so much in his career,is not easy to acomplish what he has acomplish
d.wack has alot of catching up to do,just like kobe has to catch up to jordan,kobe is the only one chasing jordan,D.Wack is chasing kobe
Relax. Of cours eKobe has done so much more in his career than Wade. Thats why a fair assesment of both players would be at the end of both of their careers.
For sure. I'm just asking who's better in your opinion NOW. Who should be your starting guard in your fantasy dream team?
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Based on this year alone, Id still like to have Kobe over Wade
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Me too. But Wade is fantastic.
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WADE is overrated. Hes not proven, he has no jumper and people are just riding his Dick right now cuz theres 4 teams left. not much to talk about so lets make a Kobe comparison.. Lets see how far he can go with shaq, then make this arguement.
3 rings > wades life.
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I'd have Kobe over Wade anyday
like Grant Hill said when asked who's a better player Wade or James..."Wade is an amazing player, but James is the real deal"
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Maybe still Kobe, Wade might pretty damn sure be a lot better in a couple years, though. People overrate Kobe like motherfuckers. Those 3 rings dont prove SHIT. There are like 10-15 active guards who would have had 3 rings with SHAQ and PHIL in 6 years, during Shaq's prime. And that's the truth. Shaq was the reason why Lakers were what they were, not Kobe. Of course it wouldnt have been that great without Kobe, but a lot of players could have REPLACED Kobe. While no motherfuckin Center would have been able to replace Shaq. I know this forum is filled with Kobe dickriders, but deep down in your motherfucking heart you know Im so damn right that is makes you puke.
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how many championships did shaq win with Penny,e.jones,and nick van axel??..0..kobe? 3..
it takes a team to win a championship..
kobe had big big fuckin games,kobe was a big part of that shit just like shaq,but shaq needed alot of help to win champinships,like b.shaq and horry,espeacially horry,shaq coulden't do it by himself
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Yeah, kobe has accomplished more....hes been in the NBA longer.
I like wade better. As for who has more skill. Kobe right now has more skill, but wade is still young.
To me kobe is all ego, and i like wade as a player more.
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Kobe has my vote
i cant wait till next season for kobe ta come back....
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To me kobe is all ego
is that what ESPN told you LOL..i hate when people say shit like that..Rodman was a crazy muthafucka and he still kick malones ass in the finals,but because he's a ego crazy muthatfucka u gonna say he's nit that good..that's stupid!!!
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Wade's the better player of the two because he doesn't have to have the spotlight on him. In fact, based on his personality, it seems that he'd rather not have any spotlight on him at all. Kobe has to be the man, Wade doesn't. If Wade can be average or below average and his team can still win. Kobe has to be damn near spectactular for his team to win.
Go ahead Kobe fans...flame away.
stupidest reason why D.Wack is better then kobe.spotlight??? LOL,that has nothing to do whos better
First of all I'm a Kings fan. There should be no question that Kobe is better. The reason Wade has not got any spotlight is because he was barely a above average player before Shaq came to the heat. And I think the only reason he is doing better now is because every team they play are worried about Shaq more.
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Maybe still Kobe, Wade might pretty damn sure be a lot better in a couple years, though. People overrate Kobe like motherfuckers. Those 3 rings dont prove SHIT. There are like 10-15 active guards who would have had 3 rings with SHAQ and PHIL in 6 years, during Shaq's prime. And that's the truth. Shaq was the reason why Lakers were what they were, not Kobe. Of course it wouldnt have been that great without Kobe, but a lot of players could have REPLACED Kobe. While no motherfuckin Center would have been able to replace Shaq. I know this forum is filled with Kobe dickriders, but deep down in your motherfucking heart you know Im so damn right that is makes you puke.
LMAO...So ridiculous...Yea, so many guards could have won championships with Shaq...Like Penny Hardaway, Eddie Jones, shit even Dwayne Wade... ::)
Just face it, man, Kobe was a huge part of the success...Comparing him to Wade is like spitting on everything he's ever accomplished...Kobe is more comparable to Jordan than Wade is to Kobe...This is a fuckin' joke. :-\
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Kobe is still the best player in the league love him or hate him
wade's the shit, but he's had one great year so far , i love wade but kobe is by far the better player
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Kobe has my vote
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i think Kobe has more talent for sure. But id rather have Wade on my team.
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Wade's the better player of the two because he doesn't have to have the spotlight on him. In fact, based on his personality, it seems that he'd rather not have any spotlight on him at all. Kobe has to be the man, Wade doesn't. If Wade can be average or below average and his team can still win. Kobe has to be damn near spectactular for his team to win.
Go ahead Kobe fans...flame away.
stupidest reason why D.Wack is better then kobe.spotlight??? LOL,that has nothing to do whos better
First of all I'm a Kings fan. There should be no question that Kobe is better. The reason Wade has not got any spotlight is because he was barely a above average player before Shaq came to the heat. And I think the only reason he is doing better now is because every team they play are worried about Shaq more.
Not true at all. The only reason why Wade isnt portrayed as a big ego is because Shaq wasnt jealous of him and he said from day1 that Miami is Wade's team and that Wade is the leader because he's humble and a better professionist than Kobe. Kobe was been portrayed by Shaq and the media as the jealous muthafucka who destroyed the Lakers, while Shaq, to diss Kobe, said Wade was the real deal and he's the real leader he wanted. It's all on Shaq. If Shaq says some pigs are flying, the media will trust him cause Shaq creates business.
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...Kobe is a "jealous muthafucka who destroyed the Lakers"
I don't like Shaq much...but there was something definitely wrong in LA. The numbers show that Kobe's team couldn't do as well without Shaq. I don't understand why people praise Kobe so much. I understand you are Lakers fans but shit...have some common sense.
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From day 1 Kobe was never part of the team, he was always the outsider. All the problms the team experienced and that team appeared in the NBA FInals 4 out 5 and won 3 of them. Shows a lot from not just Shaq, but from Kobe, Phil and the suppurting cast.
A big number people like to use with players that play with Shaq is FG% or eFG%
This is Kobe's eFG% without Shaq. 48.2
This is Wade's eFG% with Shaq. 48.3
What do I get out of this? Well kobe is still an efficient shooter even when the team is relying on you to lead the team and to post up a similiar to Wade who has the help of Shaq shows you how better of a season Kobe had than Wade...if you look at the raw numbers.
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Maybe still Kobe, Wade might pretty damn sure be a lot better in a couple years, though. People overrate Kobe like motherfuckers. Those 3 rings dont prove SHIT. There are like 10-15 active guards who would have had 3 rings with SHAQ and PHIL in 6 years, during Shaq's prime. And that's the truth. Shaq was the reason why Lakers were what they were, not Kobe. Of course it wouldnt have been that great without Kobe, but a lot of players could have REPLACED Kobe. While no motherfuckin Center would have been able to replace Shaq. I know this forum is filled with Kobe dickriders, but deep down in your motherfucking heart you know Im so damn right that is makes you puke.
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I still believe Phil Jackson was the biggest piece to the puzzle to the Lakers success
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I still believe Phil Jackson was the biggest piece to the puzzle to the Lakers success
I'll agree with that. Phil was able to keep both sides happy for most of his time in L.A. At the end, it became too unbearable for him.
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A big number people like to use with players that play with Shaq is FG% or eFG%
This is Kobe's eFG% without Shaq. 48.2
This is Wade's eFG% with Shaq. 48.3
where the fuck you get these numbers? eFG%???
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A big number people like to use with players that play with Shaq is FG% or eFG%
This is Kobe's eFG% without Shaq. 48.2
This is Wade's eFG% with Shaq. 48.3
where the fuck you get these numbers? eFG%???
http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/jh_ALL_PER.htm
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To me kobe is all ego
is that what ESPN told you LOL..i hate when people say shit like that..Rodman was a crazy muthafucka and he still kick malones ass in the finals,but because he's a ego crazy muthatfucka u gonna say he's nit that good..that's stupid!!!
I dont watch ESPN.
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...Kobe is a "jealous muthafucka who destroyed the Lakers"
I don't like Shaq much...but there was something definitely wrong in LA. The numbers show that Kobe's team couldn't do as well without Shaq. I don't understand why people praise Kobe so much. I understand you are Lakers fans but shit...have some common sense.
Lakers didnt trade only Shaq. They changed like 9 players out of 12. It aint just the same exact team with somebody else instead of Shaq, man. Why are you all insisting it's the same team without Shaq? It's two different teams. Phil Jackson's team (Malone+Payton+George+Kobe+Shaq+Fisher+Fox+etc..) was no doubt a better team than F.Hamblen's team (Odom+Atkins+Butler+Kobe+Mihm+T.Brown+J.Jones+etc..) and probably these Miami Heat. It's not everything up to Kobe. Kobe was the same in Phil Jackson's team and in F.Hamblen's team. It's the other ones who aint as good as Phil's team. Not to mention the coach itself. Is it so hard to understand?
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Why are you all insisting it's the same team without Shaq?
It's two different teams.
people are just stupid,they want to hate on kobe and say "it's the same team ,kobe sucks blah blah blah"..maan,fuck yall!!!!!!!!!
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Okay...the Heat were a different team this year as well. Last year, they made the playoffs. This year, they made the playoffs. The Lakers are a different team to. Yes, they did lose a lot of players from last year, however, they've had different players for the past ten years, but they've always made the playoffs. What happened to them this year?
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Okay...the Heat were a different team this year as well. Last year, they made the playoffs. This year, they made the playoffs. The Lakers are a different team to. Yes, they did lose a lot of players from last year, however, they've had different players for the past ten years, but they've always made the playoffs. What happened to them this year?
The right question is "what happened to them with F. Hamblen as a coach"? Because that's where they've lost the play offs. With Rudy T. as a coach, even if struggling, they where still in. I simply think Hamblen isnt a coach capable to coach a team to the play offs. Plus Divac never had a chance to play, George missed 4/5 of the season, Odom got injured at the end, Kobe missed a dozen of games..
But basically that team coached by Hamblen wasnt a Play Off team.
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...Kobe is a "jealous muthafucka who destroyed the Lakers"
I don't like Shaq much...but there was something definitely wrong in LA. The numbers show that Kobe's team couldn't do as well without Shaq. I don't understand why people praise Kobe so much. I understand you are Lakers fans but shit...have some common sense.
The thing that you (and a few other people) don't realize is that the Lakers are NOT the same team as last year only without Shaq...They were a brand new team this year. It was basically an expansion team with Kobe and an inexperienced head coach...Have common sense.
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Maybe still Kobe, Wade might pretty damn sure be a lot better in a couple years, though. People overrate Kobe like motherfuckers. Those 3 rings dont prove SHIT. There are like 10-15 active guards who would have had 3 rings with SHAQ and PHIL in 6 years, during Shaq's prime. And that's the truth. Shaq was the reason why Lakers were what they were, not Kobe. Of course it wouldnt have been that great without Kobe, but a lot of players could have REPLACED Kobe. While no motherfuckin Center would have been able to replace Shaq. I know this forum is filled with Kobe dickriders, but deep down in your motherfucking heart you know Im so damn right that is makes you puke.
I'd expect that outta 7even, but ejrizo? I'm disappointed.
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All you Laker/Kobe fans make me sick :puke: :puke:
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All you Laker/Kobe fans make me sick :puke: :puke:
^ Unnecessary comment. ::)
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It's true. I understand about being a fan...but at least realize your mistakes.
I like the Spurs. But if they do something stupid, I'm not going to deny it.
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Who denied what? ::)
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Who denied what? ::)
so getting rid of Shaq was a good move then? lol
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Look, if Lakers wanted to win the title, then it's obvious they did a bad move. But they didnt want to win another throphy this year. They just wanted to start a totally new project. They hired a new coach, with a totally different playbook. And they changed all the players but Kobe and 2-3 other bench players. The project i cant judge it after just 1 year. For sure the fact we didnt reach the play offs was hella disappointing. But i wanna see the real project. I'd rather wait another year till Lakers will have a lot of salary cap to see the real project, you know what i mean? If in 2 years Lakers will be contenders, then hell yeah, to get ridd of Shaq's contract was a smart move. But it's just to stupid to judge on the move without judging on a project. Lakers didnt want to win the title with Mihm instead of Shaq, lol.
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Who denied what? ::)
so getting rid of Shaq was a good move then? lol
Are we watching the same playoffs? Of course it was a good move...LMAO, Shaq is on a RAPID decline and he wanted half the fuckin teams money... Now it's just Erick Dampier he's comparing himself to, but in a few years he'll be lucky to even be playing 15 minutes for the Raptors...Meanwhile, Kobe will be on top of things, and I'm willing to bet you on that...
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P.S. Miami without Shaq went to the 2rd round of the play offs, last year. Miami with Shaq went to the 3rd with Shaq injured missing the whole thing. Oh shit, Shaq is the MVP! ::)
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All you Laker/Kobe fans make me sick :puke: :puke:
lol @ Canada. When was the last time you guys won a playoff series?? Never now shut the fuck up u canadian piece of shit.
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Who denied what? ::)
so getting rid of Shaq was a good move then? lol
It sure was. Just not for the Players we Recieved in Return. Shaq wanted a $90mill 3 yr Extention to stay. So we would be stuck with him until hes 37. if he can't get a double double in the playsoffs right now at 33 what would he do for us when hes 37? Nothing but Take up our Cap Space. with him asking $30 mill a yr and kobe getting a big contract we would be over the Cap untill shaq retired and we would not have any money to sign anybod good role players. Lakers didn't do this trade to be good this season. they were thinking for the future.
Propz to Antonio, mr Pothead and Now Im Blowed for stickin with their team regardless if they're trash this season. LA will be a playoff team next season with Phil back and some off season moves. EJ Rizo, feather weight fans like u shouldn't call themselves laker fans.
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Who denied what? ::)
so getting rid of Shaq was a good move then? lol
It sure was. Just not for the Players we Recieved in Return. Shaq wanted a $90mill 3 yr Extention to stay. So we would be stuck with him until hes 37. if he can't get a double double in the playsoffs right now at 33 what would he do for us when hes 37? Nothing but Take up our Cap Space. with him asking $30 mill a yr and kobe getting a big contract we would be over the Cap untill shaq retired and we would not have any money to sign anybod good role players. Lakers didn't do this trade to be good this season. they were thinking for the future.
Propz to Antonio, mr Pothead and Now Im Blowed for stickin with their team regardless if they're trash this season. LA will be a playoff team next season with Phil back and some off season moves. EJ Rizo, feather weight fans like u shouldn't call themselves laker fans.
I don't have any problems with anybody for sticking with their team. If anything, it should be respected to stick with your team. Too many people jumped on the Laker's back when they started winning championships. The issue is that too many people can't/don't admit the truth. Did Kobe make mistakes? Yes. Why is that so hard to admit for some people. However, did Shaq make mistakes? Yes. Did the Lakers organization make some mistakes? Yes. Everybody does, but some people are so far up Kobe's ass, that they just don't admit it.
Remaining a fan of your team through thick and thin is one thing, not recognizing a mistake is another. If they hadn't gotten rid of Shaq, they would've at least competed for the remaining three years of his contract. With just Kobe, it's not gonna happen. It doesn't matter if all those guys were injured or not. They were a seventh seed at best and woulda gotten knocked out in the first round anyway.
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Who denied what? ::)
so getting rid of Shaq was a good move then? lol
It sure was. Just not for the Players we Recieved in Return. Shaq wanted a $90mill 3 yr Extention to stay. So we would be stuck with him until hes 37. if he can't get a double double in the playsoffs right now at 33 what would he do for us when hes 37? Nothing but Take up our Cap Space. with him asking $30 mill a yr and kobe getting a big contract we would be over the Cap untill shaq retired and we would not have any money to sign anybod good role players. Lakers didn't do this trade to be good this season. they were thinking for the future.
Propz to Antonio, mr Pothead and Now Im Blowed for stickin with their team regardless if they're trash this season. LA will be a playoff team next season with Phil back and some off season moves. EJ Rizo, feather weight fans like u shouldn't call themselves laker fans.
I don't have any problems with anybody for sticking with their team. If anything, it should be respected to stick with your team. Too many people jumped on the Laker's back when they started winning championships. The issue is that too many people can't/don't admit the truth. Did Kobe make mistakes? Yes. Why is that so hard to admit for some people. However, did Shaq make mistakes? Yes. Did the Lakers organization make some mistakes? Yes. Everybody does, but some people are so far up Kobe's ass, that they just don't admit it.
your post has no substances whatsoever. wtf u talkin bout. people having mistakes? this ain't oprah.
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Okay. Good comeback.
The fact is this, people are so far up in Kobe's ass that they can't see that he is a dickhead on/off the court, a bigot, a pain in the ass, a ballhog, etc.
The only time he shares the ball is when the media gets on his ass about it. In his head, it's all about KoME. Is he a good player? Yes. Is he the best in the league? No. Should he have kept his mouth shut about Shaq? Yes. That's something he'll be regretting for the rest of his life. He made a big ass fucking mistake and Kobe fans just won't realize it.
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Should he have kept his mouth shut about Shaq? Yes. .
And Shaq never said anything to Kobe? It seem like every fucking day Shaq would diss Kobe and the lakers and even sometimes the fans. It got pathetic. Chilish between the two, at least Kobe stopped his dissing but shaq continued.
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Seriously...People hate on Kobe just like they hate on me...with no reason. You see, people who know what's up know that Shaq is nothing but a big baby...Hell, that's even his page 2 nickname; The Big Baby...Kobe is now the mature one, while Shaq goes on babbling on about why Kobe is bad, LA is a fake place, and the Lakers are the worst organization in the world, all because he didn't get the king salary he expected...People who hate on Kobe and compliment Shaq are the biggest hypocrits on this planet.
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Did Kobe make mistakes? Yes. did Shaq make mistakes? Yes. Did the Lakers organization make some mistakes? Yes. Everybody does, but some people are so far up Kobe's ass, that they just don't admit it.
Kobe made mistakes too, obviously. That's not the point, man. We're talking about a longtime project, not about who's better between Shaq and Mihm or Odom, cause it's obvious it's Shaq.
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To the mature young man who came up with 'D. Wack', you sir are my new hero.
Kobe is a better player at this point, but in a season or 2 Wade will be right there with Amare, Lebron, Parker, Ginobili as the superstars of the NBA. To those who said Wade was average before he got with Shaq, did you forget Wade last season, killing it in the playoffs etc as a rookie. Or is it because his name wasnt LBJ or Carmelo?
Wade has true superstar potential, and with the big fella alongside of him he has the opportunity to succeed early in his career. Kobe (innocent or not) will forever be guilty by association. That colorado shit ruined him. Brought down his image 10000%. Probably 50% of the NBA cheat on their wives, Kobe got unlucky it would seem. I dont think his image will ever recover from that, which is a shame. If Wade can keep his slate clean, he could out-do LeBron James. Wade has killer instinct, LeBron hasnt really shown that yet.
Anyways, Kobe vs. Wade is a good discussion, and both players are insane 8)
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Wade is from '82. Kobe is from '78. It's not that much difference, man.. In 2 years Kobe will be 29. He can play good basketball till he'll be 32-33, so it's about 5-6 other years.. it's enought time to build a new team around him. Obviously Wade is younger, but in 2 years Miami will have to rebuild a new team around him, cause Shaq will be 35.
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Oh shet, Wade's younger than me. Dude plays nice when he's on fire.
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Wade is from '82. Kobe is from '78. It's not that much difference, man.. In 2 years Kobe will be 29. He can play good basketball till he'll be 32-33, so it's about 5-6 other years.. it's enought time to build a new team around him. Obviously Wade is younger, but in 2 years Miami will have to rebuild a new team around him, cause Shaq will be 35.
you can't just compare by when dudes are born. you have to take into account that Kobe had much more time in the NBA and therefore has a load of more experience. Wade will improve drastically while I dont think that Kobe will ever become more impressive than he already was (with shaq).
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If in 2 years Lakers will be contenders, then hell yeah, to get ridd of Shaq's contract was a smart move. But it's just to stupid to judge on the move without judging on a project.
IF...
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Who denied what? ::)
so getting rid of Shaq was a good move then? lol
Meanwhile, Kobe will be on top of things, and I'm willing to bet you on that...
lol u should be in charge of all the lakers player moves with blind gambling like that...
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Wade is from '82. Kobe is from '78. It's not that much difference, man.. In 2 years Kobe will be 29. He can play good basketball till he'll be 32-33, so it's about 5-6 other years.. it's enought time to build a new team around him. Obviously Wade is younger, but in 2 years Miami will have to rebuild a new team around him, cause Shaq will be 35.
you can't just compare by when dudes are born. you have to take into account that Kobe had much more time in the NBA and therefore has a load of more experience. Wade will improve drastically while I dont think that Kobe will ever become more impressive than he already was (with shaq).
Man Kobe started his NBA career being 4 years younger than Wade when he debupted. This makes him a better player, not a worse. How the fuck can you consider it a negative thing? Kobe was wearing a pair of rings when at the age Wade was a rookie. This aint a negative thing. If Wade can improve, so can Kobe. Everybody can, even at 35 years old. Michael Jordan totally improved/changed his gameplay in his last years, becaming a consistent shooter and a better overall player than he was when he was 24-25.. Dont say shit you cant prove. You cant prove Wade will improve, and more than that you cant prove Kobe will not. Not that's a biased opinion if one exists.
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If in 2 years Lakers will be contenders, then hell yeah, to get ridd of Shaq's contract was a smart move. But it's just to stupid to judge on the move without judging on a project.
IF...
That's why i'm waiting to judge on this move.
Like i said, the day the Lakers traded Payton & Fox for Mihm, Atkins and J.Jones, everybody dissed Buss and the Lakers.
Now it's clear Lakers won the trade, easly.
You gotta wait to judge.
Man back in the days the Divac - Kobe Bryant trade looked like one of the dumber ever!!
So..
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To the mature young man who came up with 'D. Wack', you sir are my new hero.
Kobe is a better player at this point, but in a season or 2 Wade will be right there with Amare, Lebron, Parker, Ginobili as the superstars of the NBA. To those who said Wade was average before he got with Shaq, did you forget Wade last season, killing it in the playoffs etc as a rookie. Or is it because his name wasnt LBJ or Carmelo?
Wade has true superstar potential, and with the big fella alongside of him he has the opportunity to succeed early in his career. Kobe (innocent or not) will forever be guilty by association. That colorado shit ruined him. Brought down his image 10000%. Probably 50% of the NBA cheat on their wives, Kobe got unlucky it would seem. I dont think his image will ever recover from that, which is a shame. If Wade can keep his slate clean, he could out-do LeBron James. Wade has killer instinct, LeBron hasnt really shown that yet.
Anyways, Kobe vs. Wade is a good discussion, and both players are insane 8)
Kobe>>>Wade>LeBron
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Who denied what? ::)
so getting rid of Shaq was a good move then? lol
Meanwhile, Kobe will be on top of things, and I'm willing to bet you on that...
lol u should be in charge of all the lakers player moves with blind gambling like that...
Blind gambling? What's one word to describe the Heat if they don't win the championship this season? You guesses it...DECLINE. And the Lakers? They're easily on an uprise...Think about it, it's not that hard.
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If in 2 years Lakers will be contenders, then hell yeah, to get ridd of Shaq's contract was a smart move. But it's just to stupid to judge on the move without judging on a project.
IF...
Very big IF. Kobe is good but he needs a right hand man just like Jordan needed Pippen
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To the mature young man who came up with 'D. Wack', you sir are my new hero.
Kobe is a better player at this point, but in a season or 2 Wade will be right there with Amare, Lebron, Parker, Ginobili as the superstars of the NBA. To those who said Wade was average before he got with Shaq, did you forget Wade last season, killing it in the playoffs etc as a rookie. Or is it because his name wasnt LBJ or Carmelo?
Wade has true superstar potential, and with the big fella alongside of him he has the opportunity to succeed early in his career. Kobe (innocent or not) will forever be guilty by association. That colorado shit ruined him. Brought down his image 10000%. Probably 50% of the NBA cheat on their wives, Kobe got unlucky it would seem. I dont think his image will ever recover from that, which is a shame. If Wade can keep his slate clean, he could out-do LeBron James. Wade has killer instinct, LeBron hasnt really shown that yet.
Anyways, Kobe vs. Wade is a good discussion, and both players are insane 8)
Kobe>>>Wade>LeBron
Caamon man...please.
As Players right now...
Kobe>Lebron>>Wade>>>>>Carmelo
If you check the stats for this year
Lebron James> Kobe>Wade
Lebron is a waaaay better player than Wade...Wade should've (he did, but not as good as Kobe with Shaq) had some amazing numbers this year with shaq....Lebron is the real deal...NUMBERS DON'T LIE 8)
Garnett, Duncun, James and Bryant are the top 4 players in the NBA right now
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To the mature young man who came up with 'D. Wack', you sir are my new hero.
Kobe is a better player at this point, but in a season or 2 Wade will be right there with Amare, Lebron, Parker, Ginobili as the superstars of the NBA. To those who said Wade was average before he got with Shaq, did you forget Wade last season, killing it in the playoffs etc as a rookie. Or is it because his name wasnt LBJ or Carmelo?
Wade has true superstar potential, and with the big fella alongside of him he has the opportunity to succeed early in his career. Kobe (innocent or not) will forever be guilty by association. That colorado shit ruined him. Brought down his image 10000%. Probably 50% of the NBA cheat on their wives, Kobe got unlucky it would seem. I dont think his image will ever recover from that, which is a shame. If Wade can keep his slate clean, he could out-do LeBron James. Wade has killer instinct, LeBron hasnt really shown that yet.
Anyways, Kobe vs. Wade is a good discussion, and both players are insane 8)
Kobe>>>Wade>LeBron
Caamon man...please.
As Players right now...
Kobe>Lebron>>Wade>>>>>Carmelo
If you check the stats for this year
Lebron James> Kobe>Wade
Lebron is a waaaay better player than Wade...Wade should've (he did, but not as good as Kobe with Shaq) had some amazing numbers this year with shaq....Lebron is the real deal...NUMBERS DON'T LIE 8)
Garnett, Duncun, James and Bryant are the top 4 players in the NBA right now
I just like Wade's style of play more and his attitude shows a lot...He's proven he can step up, LeBron hasn't...LeBron is definitely more talented, but I believe Wade is the better player and I'd build my team around him over LeBron...PeACe
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Kobe>Lebron>>Wade>>>>>Carmelo
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To the mature young man who came up with 'D. Wack', you sir are my new hero.
Kobe is a better player at this point, but in a season or 2 Wade will be right there with Amare, Lebron, Parker, Ginobili as the superstars of the NBA. To those who said Wade was average before he got with Shaq, did you forget Wade last season, killing it in the playoffs etc as a rookie. Or is it because his name wasnt LBJ or Carmelo?
Wade has true superstar potential, and with the big fella alongside of him he has the opportunity to succeed early in his career. Kobe (innocent or not) will forever be guilty by association. That colorado shit ruined him. Brought down his image 10000%. Probably 50% of the NBA cheat on their wives, Kobe got unlucky it would seem. I dont think his image will ever recover from that, which is a shame. If Wade can keep his slate clean, he could out-do LeBron James. Wade has killer instinct, LeBron hasnt really shown that yet.
Anyways, Kobe vs. Wade is a good discussion, and both players are insane 8)
Kobe>>>Wade>LeBron
Caamon man...please.
As Players right now...
Kobe>Lebron>>Wade>>>>>Carmelo
If you check the stats for this year
Lebron James> Kobe>Wade
Lebron is a waaaay better player than Wade...Wade should've (he did, but not as good as Kobe with Shaq) had some amazing numbers this year with shaq....Lebron is the real deal...NUMBERS DON'T LIE 8)
Garnett, Duncun, James and Bryant are the top 4 players in the NBA right now
I just like Wade's style of play more and his attitude shows a lot...He's proven he can step up, LeBron hasn't...LeBron is definitely more talented, but I believe Wade is the better player and I'd build my team around him over LeBron...PeACe
Yea I see what you're saying...but I got my hopes on Lebron getting to the playoffs next year and wreckin Miami 8)
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I this Wade is gonna be a Bum soon and by that i mean not gonna be getting any attention hes gonna get paid less and yah
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eS El Duque... numbers are not everything... if they were KG would be MVP again. Wade should've had some major numbers this year? lol what NBA were u watching this year?! Wade shouldve done more with shaq? He is in his second season, give him a go ffs...
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Wade better than Kobe >>>> NAH
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Kobe>Lebron>>Wade>>>>>Carmelo
I think there's a greater difference between Kobe and LeBron than there is between Carmelo and LeBron... :-\
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eS El Duque... numbers are not everything... if they were KG would be MVP again. Wade should've had some major numbers this year? lol what NBA were u watching this year?! Wade shouldve done more with shaq? He is in his second season, give him a go ffs...
Lebron was in his second season...still better numbers than Wade :o
I'm talking numbers here.
KG would've got MVP if his team made the playoffs...lol...Hell...my fantasy team consisted of Garnett(F), Wade (G), James(F, he's eligible as a Guard and Forward in most fantasy leagues), Bryant(G)...and my center/6th men never made a difference...ofc i didn't have all these guys in the beginning (becuase of the cost of most of these players)
I won DUBCC's Basketball Fantasy League (and A LOT OF OTHER leagues!) easily with building my team around Lebron and Garnett, only reason I got Kobe was becuase he got cheaper when he got injured, so I bought him right before he returned..great numbers!
Actually, I was kinda tlaking out of my ass...Wade just needed to average 6 more points and he would've had a better season than Kobe ever had with Shaq.
Kobe>Lebron>>Wade>>>>>Carmelo
I think there's a greater difference between Kobe and LeBron than there is between Carmelo and LeBron... :-\
Like Grant hill said "Wade is an amazing player..but Lebron is the REAL DEAL!"
Player wise...nah...Lebron and Kobe are almost on the same level (Player skills)..and I would'nt be surprised in 2-3 years Lebron will be a better player than Kobe ever been.
if we're talking career...yea..Kobe is FAR AHEAD of Lebron.
But Cleveland fucked up for next year..they hired the wrong Brown for Coach...and the wrong Brown to be their President lol
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I'm not talking career...Kobe would MASH on LeBron regardless...I have no way of telling the future, like some of the people one here seem to, but I know for a fact that RIGHT NOW Kobe would slaughter LeBron...IMO, Cleveland would've been a top seeded team in the East if Kobe replaced LeBron...You'd don't think so?
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3 ring KOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o 8) :D ;D :) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Maybe still Kobe, Wade might pretty damn sure be a lot better in a couple years, though. People overrate Kobe like motherfuckers. Those 3 rings dont prove SHIT. There are like 10-15 active guards who would have had 3 rings with SHAQ and PHIL in 6 years, during Shaq's prime. And that's the truth. Shaq was the reason why Lakers were what they were, not Kobe. Of course it wouldnt have been that great without Kobe, but a lot of players could have REPLACED Kobe. While no motherfuckin Center would have been able to replace Shaq. I know this forum is filled with Kobe dickriders, but deep down in your motherfucking heart you know Im so damn right that is makes you puke.
I'd expect that outta 7even, but ejrizo? I'm disappointed.
doesnt mean i still cant support the lakers....im just stating whats going on.....i have always felt this way.....it was shaq's team but thats just my opinion.....but everything this year keeps proving me right so far...anyway just stating whats up......but plain and simple lakers aint in it right now so im going for shaq and the heat......
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as for the guy who said it was shaqs team....i guess we shouldve gave shaq the ball in the fourth quarter in all those close games in the playoffs huh...i think we would have one championship....it shouldve been brian shaw or rick fox taking those shots.....kobe saved shaq's ass everytime down the stretch. lemme give u some reasons why d wade is not on kobe's level yet
kobe's been in the league for nine years, wade 2
kobe has three championships, wade 0 (regardless if he had shaq, shaq wouldnt have won shit without kobe, kobe wouldnt have won shit without shaq)
kobe actually has a perimeter shot so to even say wade is a perimeter game is bullshit.
wade is quicker than kobe because he is smaller, but as quick as wade is , i would say kobe is one of the quickest in the league.wade is at the top though
kobe has penetration skills as does wade. but the difference is kobe can be triple teamed at times. shaq takes the attention off of wade. so wade is free to do anything, but yet kobe averaged more point than wade and about the same assists with all the focus of the defense being on kobe. if wade had the same attention kobe gets on the defensive end, trust me buddy it would be a whole different story.if u guys watched all the laker games this season, u haters would know what im talking about. that dude is amazing....and for u guys that say ima kobe dickrider, no im a kobe bryant fan. even if my argument is for kobe. give me proof that what i said is wrong
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as for the guy who said it was shaqs team....i guess we shouldve gave shaq the ball in the fourth quarter in all those close games in the playoffs huh...i think we would have one championship....it shouldve been brian shaw or rick fox taking those shots.....kobe saved shaq's ass everytime down the stretch. lemme give u some reasons why d wade is not on kobe's level yet
kobe's been in the league for nine years, wade 2
kobe has three championships, wade 0 (regardless if he had shaq, shaq wouldnt have won shit without kobe, kobe wouldnt have won shit without shaq)
kobe actually has a perimeter shot so to even say wade is a perimeter game is bullshit.
wade is quicker than kobe because he is smaller, but as quick as wade is , i would say kobe is one of the quickest in the league.wade is at the top though
kobe has penetration skills as does wade. but the difference is kobe can be triple teamed at times. shaq takes the attention off of wade. so wade is free to do anything, but yet kobe averaged more point than wade and about the same assists with all the focus of the defense being on kobe. if wade had the same attention kobe gets on the defensive end, trust me buddy it would be a whole different story.if u guys watched all the laker games this season, u haters would know what im talking about. that dude is amazing....and for u guys that say ima kobe dickrider, no im a kobe bryant fan. even if my argument is for kobe. give me proof that what i said is wrong
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It sickens me how many people have voted for Wade...Ya'll don't deserve to analyse basketball.
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Who denied what? ::)
so getting rid of Shaq was a good move then? lol
Meanwhile, Kobe will be on top of things, and I'm willing to bet you on that...
lol u should be in charge of all the lakers player moves with blind gambling like that...
Blind gambling? What's one word to describe the Heat if they don't win the championship this season? You guesses it...DECLINE. And the Lakers? They're easily on an uprise...Think about it, it's not that hard.
youre taking a team that will probably make the finals...and saying they will decline, and then a team that didnt even make the playoffs...and saying theyre on the rise. Of course the Lakers SHOULD be on the rise, i dont think theyll be WORSE then this year. But they definetely arent winning a championship anytime soon unless they make some MAJOR moves. The team they have now is going nowhere anytime soon. And even with Miami's "decline" theyll still be in a better position next year to win the title then LA will. BTW, the Spurs will be better then both teams next year so who cares. ;D
Also, if LA kept Shaq instead of Kobe....i dont think they would have won a title this year either, but i DO think they would have made the playoffs for sure. Shaq's career is winding down, but Kobe did nothing this year to show me he can ACTUALLY lead a team to winning...rather then just put up numbers of his own.
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do u think shaq was worth 30 mil this year??? even if they wouldve made the playoffs with shaq this year....what would happen two years after that when shaq cant do anymore....what superstar are u going to sign with no cap space?? and he comes fatter and fatter each season not to mention the the vacations he takes off "company time" or where he flips the switch at the end of the season when its too late. the lakers were smart because they thought about the future....were not SUPPOSED to win the title every year at one point in time you have to rebuild just like the bulls a\were. its inevitable but what they can prevent is the state the bulls were in not too long ago. they were at the bottom of the league after jordan left. they are BARELY gettin back into the playoffs right now after 7 years. they let pippen go so they had to go into a total rebuilding mode. this is something the lakers dont wanna do. people are saying keep shaq keep shaq but we would be like the bulls when shaq retires because we cant sign any players. with kobe signed all we are missing is a few parts of the puzzle dont u think? is better to be missing a few pieces of the puzzle then to not have a puzzle at all
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do u think shaq was worth 30 mil this year??? even if they wouldve made the playoffs with shaq this year....what would happen two years after that when shaq cant do anymore....what superstar are u going to sign with no cap space?? and he comes fatter and fatter each season not to mention the the vacations he takes off "company time" or where he flips the switch at the end of the season when its too late. the lakers were smart because they thought about the future....were not SUPPOSED to win the title every year at one point in time you have to rebuild just like the bulls a\were. its inevitable but what they can prevent is the state the bulls were in not too long ago. they were at the bottom of the league after jordan left. they are BARELY gettin back into the playoffs right now after 7 years. they let pippen go so they had to go into a total rebuilding mode. this is something the lakers dont wanna do. people are saying keep shaq keep shaq but we would be like the bulls when shaq retires because we cant sign any players. with kobe signed all we are missing is a few parts of the puzzle dont u think? is better to be missing a few pieces of the puzzle then to not have a puzzle at all
i didnt think they should KEEP shaq necessarily....im the one that said they shoulda got rid of him AND kobe, and get damn near a whole starting 5 for em both.
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oh cool man everyone has their opinion...no sweat....by the way u said get a new starting 5 ??? u would only get role player or borderline superstars....thats the clippers!!i wouldnt want that....
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oh cool man everyone has their opinion...no sweat....by the way u said get a new starting 5 ??? u would only get role player or borderline superstars....thats the clippers!!i wouldnt want that....
Seriously...At least they have Kobe, a proven great who hasn't even reached his prime, to build a team around...Imagine how bad the Lakers would have been if Shaq AND Kobe were gone...Trading Kobe would be LA's biggest mistake ever. Why the FUCK would you trade the best player in the league? Who can they get for Kobe? Even if they got the best deal possible, lets say something like Kevin Garnett, Latrell Sprewell, and Wally Sczerbiak for Kobe, they still wouldn't have been good this year...Kobe is the way to go. Anybody would love to have Kobe Bryant as a player to build around...Why someone would trade a player like that is beyond me.
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oh cool man everyone has their opinion...no sweat....by the way u said get a new starting 5 ??? u would only get role player or borderline superstars....thats the clippers!!i wouldnt want that....
Seriously...At least they have Kobe, a proven great who hasn't even reached his prime, to build a team around...Imagine how bad the Lakers would have been if Shaq AND Kobe were gone...Trading Kobe would be LA's biggest mistake ever. Why the FUCK would you trade the best player in the league? Who can they get for Kobe? Even if they got the best deal possible, lets say something like Kevin Garnett, Latrell Sprewell, and Wally Sczerbiak for Kobe, they still wouldn't have been good this year...Kobe is the way to go. Anybody would love to have Kobe Bryant as a player to build around...Why someone would trade a player like that is beyond me.
i agree....if u got kevin garnett latrell sprewell and wally then u just have the twolves in la....who didnt make the playoffs....
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oh cool man everyone has their opinion...no sweat....by the way u said get a new starting 5 ??? u would only get role player or borderline superstars....thats the clippers!!i wouldnt want that....
Seriously...At least they have Kobe, a proven great who hasn't even reached his prime, to build a team around...Imagine how bad the Lakers would have been if Shaq AND Kobe were gone...Trading Kobe would be LA's biggest mistake ever. Why the FUCK would you trade the best player in the league? Who can they get for Kobe? Even if they got the best deal possible, lets say something like Kevin Garnett, Latrell Sprewell, and Wally Sczerbiak for Kobe, they still wouldn't have been good this year...Kobe is the way to go. Anybody would love to have Kobe Bryant as a player to build around...Why someone would trade a player like that is beyond me.
i agree....if u got kevin garnett latrell sprewell and wally then u just have the twolves in la....who didnt make the playoffs....
Yea, the T-Wolves minus some of their important role players and their experienced head coach.
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Kobe! 8)
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i like wade, he's a better team player
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LMAO...Is this even a question anymore? Everyone was so happy that the Lakers failed and the Heat were "amazing" last year that they forgot who the real deal is and who isn't...The current Laker team with Wade replacing Kobe as the SG would possibly be worse than the Hawks...This season is just further proof that Kobe is on another level.
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Only a fool could really trade Bryant for Wade straight up. Bryant > Wade no questions about it.
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LOL. If Wade scored 62 in 3 quarters, people would say he's better than Jordan...