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KRS-ONE: WTC ATTACKS WERE 'JUSTICE FOR BLACK PEOPLE'
Rapper KRS-One horrified other panelists during this month's New Yorker Festival when he claimed the September 11 atrocities were "justice" for black Americans and the hip-hop community.
The star, whose real name is Kris Parker, joined former Nirvana rocker Krist Novosolic and Henry Rollins on the panel of the "Political Rockers" event at the annual festival on October 2.
KRS-One claimed he and other African Americans "cheered when 9/11 happened. I say that proudly."
The rapper alleged security guards kept black people out of the Twin Towers, "Because of the way we talk and dress.
"So when the planes hit the building, we were like, 'Mmmm -- justice.' 9/11 doesn't affect us. 9/11 happened to them, not us.
"By them, I mean the rich -- those who are oppressing us. RCA or BMG, Universal, the radio stations."
Novelist Tom Kelly, who was sitting in the audience, booed the rapper and later told the New York Daily News, "I lost six friends there on 9/11."
KRS-One added that he wasn't bothered about the upcoming Presidential election next month, saying, "Voting in a corrupt society adds more corruption. America has to commit suicide if the world is to be a better place."
An angry Novoselic responded, "That is wrong, man. Suicide is not the answer."
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This guy's a real peice of shit. Just last year he was saying Jesus this and Jesus that, and now he's saying he was glad at the death of fellow human beings. I'm a Christian, and the murder of any human being bothers me. I would never go around praising the fact that innocent people died. I bet if his mother or children were in that building when it dropped he wouldn't have been chanting " justice"! He'd probably be blaming the white man and knock out anyone who was saying what he's saying now. I always had respect for KRS, but this is disgusting. I read this on Rollingstone and it seems to be real. If it isn't I apologize, but I think it is, so Fuck KRS (if it's real).
Oh, and for the record, his career hit a peak when he appeared in the REM video. It was all down hill from there. He doesn't have to worry about this ruining his career. It's been over for years.
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Shyt, I'm black.. and I ain't cheer for that shyt.. And I DONT know ANY other black person that cheered for it...
BTW, I KNOW a whole lot of BLACK people WILL cheer when Bush is OUT of OFFICE though
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^^ That's because there's one thing to be political, but when yoiur politics makes you start wanting people dead, you're a fuck up. There's nothing wrong with wanting Bush out of office, or not liking him, or disagreeing with him, but KRS saying he was happy to see the trade center get bombed? I'll be happy when some hick shoots his ass, fuck him.
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even b4 he said this, it was common knowledge to hip hop heads kris parker wasnt all there.
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Now he's changing his story a bit.
This is his response to the news article:
KRS-ONE’S RESPONSE TO THE DAILY NEWS
Like everyone I was shocked to read that I and other African-Americans actually “cheered when 911 happened” and that I have “declared my solidarity with Al Qaeda”. When I read my words taken out of context I was shocked and disappointed that the Daily News would go this far to assassinate my character and distort my views. Such statements with no follow up explanation or interview from KRS-ONE as to what he may have meant or even a complete quote of my point is simply irresponsible journalism on the Daily News’ part. I would never just say something as crazy as “we cheered when 911 happened!” I was making an objective point about how many Hiphoppas as well as the oppressed peoples of the world felt that day. I am a philosopher and a critical thinker, I speak truth and I urge people to think critically about themselves and their environment. Yes, my words are strong. Yes, my views are controversial. But to call me a terrorist is simply wrong!
A young lady asked about what we can do beyond voting to change the political state of things in our country? I responded not by irresponsibly stating that “America has to commit suicide if the world is to be a better place” and that’s all. I am a poet and I speak poetically. My full statement was “America has to commit suicide if the world is to be a better place. If you want to go beyond voting American interests must put a gun to its head and commit suicide because as long as we are only interested in American interests we go out and invade the rest of the world. The real question is are you a citizen of the United States or are you a citizen of the world? And so for me, I would say voting in a corrupt society adds more corruption.”
I was asked by the New Yorker magazine to discuss “different and personal beliefs musicians hold and the contribution artists like myself can make to the nation’s political dialog”. My views were indeed different and most were personal. However, when I was asked about why Hiphop has not engaged the current situation more (meaning 911) my responds was “because it does not affect us, or at least we don’t perceive that it effects us, 911 happened to them”. I went on to say that “I am speaking for the culture now; I am not speaking my personal opinion”. I continued to say; “911 effected them down the block; the rich, the powerful those that are oppressing us as a culture. Sony, RCA or BMG, Universal, the radio stations, Clear Channel, Viacom with BET and MTV, those are our oppressors those are the people that we’re trying to overcome in Hiphop everyday, this is a daily thing. We cheered when 911 happened in New York and say that proudly here. Because when we were down at the trade center we were getting hit over the head by cops, told that we can’t come in this building, hustled down to the train station because of the way we dressed and talked, and so on, we were racially profiled. So, when the planes hit the building we were like; mmmm justice.” And just as I began to say “now of course a lot of our friends and family were lost there as well” but I was interrupted.
My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”. I made an objective statement about the feelings of those who were oppressed by world trade policies. I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911. However, for many of us that were racially profiled and harassed by the World’s Trade Center’s security and the police patrolling that area as well as the thousands of American protesters that spoke out against the World Trade Organization months before in Seattle, Washington there was a sense of justice, a sense of change, a wake up call watching the twin towers fall. These are not my views only; these views represent a popular truth that few people are really ready to hear. No one wished death on anyone or just sat and “cheered when 911 happened”. But some of us can see through the bullshit! America must change its approach to the world and its citizens. This, I believe is what all Americans should be thinking about. How do we make our country better?
For years my career has been one of promoting peace, love, unity and having fun; such has always been Hiphop’s cultural principles. So how all of a sudden now can I be aligned with Al Qaeda? What happened to honest debate and freedom of speech! I don’t speak for the African American community exclusively, I speak for HIPHOP! And let me be clear here; most of the Hiphop community is against the war in Iraq! But to align me with Al Qaeda is clearly an attempt by the Daily News to interrupt the street voice of our Hiphop community, KRS-ONE’s leadership and the increased momentum of our Hiphop political movement. I don’t think Al Qaeda needs my solidarity nor did I ever offer it, so what’s the point. For a major news organization to now align KRS-ONE with Al Qaeda shows the unwarranted contempt that such an organization has for me. Such is grounds for a law suit!
Finally, no one should ever believe anything that the one-sided Daily News has to say about the same Hiphop community that it (the Daily News) has tried so desperately to undermine for years. The only thing the Daily News seems to be interested in is scandal and controversy and for years I have challenged the Daily News on its depictions of Rap artists and Hiphop as a whole. I know they don’t like me. However, I don’t give a ---- either! They never cover our efforts toward peace and all the charitable work we do within the Hiphop community. They never air our grievances or how we feel about the state of the world, nor have they ever aired our views on America’s invasion of Iraq simply because they just don’t want to hear them. The Hiphop community forces America to look at itself; and no one likes to take b.l.a.m.e. for their own for immaturity Because Looking At Me ain’t Easy!
For the record, I am an American philosopher. I speak and seek truth. If the slander that the Daily News has printed regarding my political views has disrespectfully offended anyone in any way I truly apologize. Again, it was never my or Hiphop’s intent to disregard, disrespect or demean the tragedy of September 11th 2001 and those that died that day. However, we do have a voice and a point of view and if you are not prepared to hear what Hiphop has to say about its view of world events then don’t ask!
I still think this guy is fucked. Doesn't Jesus say "love your enemy". I thought KRS said he was fighting for Jesus now. Well I don't think Jesus would agree with him on this.
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This piece of shit isn't worth several paragraphs of my time, I didn't read it, I won't read it, and he can just get over himself, the arrogant motherfucker. He thinks he's an intellectual, he's not. He's just another blabbermouth who thinks somebody gives a shit about him and his pseudo 20 year ago celebrity.
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Now he's changing his story a bit.
This is his response to the news article:
KRS-ONE’S RESPONSE TO THE DAILY NEWS
Like everyone I was shocked to read that I and other African-Americans actually “cheered when 911 happened” and that I have “declared my solidarity with Al Qaeda”. When I read my words taken out of context I was shocked and disappointed that the Daily News would go this far to assassinate my character and distort my views. Such statements with no follow up explanation or interview from KRS-ONE as to what he may have meant or even a complete quote of my point is simply irresponsible journalism on the Daily News’ part. I would never just say something as crazy as “we cheered when 911 happened!” I was making an objective point about how many Hiphoppas as well as the oppressed peoples of the world felt that day. I am a philosopher and a critical thinker, I speak truth and I urge people to think critically about themselves and their environment. Yes, my words are strong. Yes, my views are controversial. But to call me a terrorist is simply wrong!
A young lady asked about what we can do beyond voting to change the political state of things in our country? I responded not by irresponsibly stating that “America has to commit suicide if the world is to be a better place” and that’s all. I am a poet and I speak poetically. My full statement was “America has to commit suicide if the world is to be a better place. If you want to go beyond voting American interests must put a gun to its head and commit suicide because as long as we are only interested in American interests we go out and invade the rest of the world. The real question is are you a citizen of the United States or are you a citizen of the world? And so for me, I would say voting in a corrupt society adds more corruption.”
I was asked by the New Yorker magazine to discuss “different and personal beliefs musicians hold and the contribution artists like myself can make to the nation’s political dialog”. My views were indeed different and most were personal. However, when I was asked about why Hiphop has not engaged the current situation more (meaning 911) my responds was “because it does not affect us, or at least we don’t perceive that it effects us, 911 happened to them”. I went on to say that “I am speaking for the culture now; I am not speaking my personal opinion”. I continued to say; “911 effected them down the block; the rich, the powerful those that are oppressing us as a culture. Sony, RCA or BMG, Universal, the radio stations, Clear Channel, Viacom with BET and MTV, those are our oppressors those are the people that we’re trying to overcome in Hiphop everyday, this is a daily thing. We cheered when 911 happened in New York and say that proudly here. Because when we were down at the trade center we were getting hit over the head by cops, told that we can’t come in this building, hustled down to the train station because of the way we dressed and talked, and so on, we were racially profiled. So, when the planes hit the building we were like; mmmm justice.” And just as I began to say “now of course a lot of our friends and family were lost there as well” but I was interrupted.
My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”. I made an objective statement about the feelings of those who were oppressed by world trade policies. I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911. However, for many of us that were racially profiled and harassed by the World’s Trade Center’s security and the police patrolling that area as well as the thousands of American protesters that spoke out against the World Trade Organization months before in Seattle, Washington there was a sense of justice, a sense of change, a wake up call watching the twin towers fall. These are not my views only; these views represent a popular truth that few people are really ready to hear. No one wished death on anyone or just sat and “cheered when 911 happened”. But some of us can see through the bullshit! America must change its approach to the world and its citizens. This, I believe is what all Americans should be thinking about. How do we make our country better?
For years my career has been one of promoting peace, love, unity and having fun; such has always been Hiphop’s cultural principles. So how all of a sudden now can I be aligned with Al Qaeda? What happened to honest debate and freedom of speech! I don’t speak for the African American community exclusively, I speak for HIPHOP! And let me be clear here; most of the Hiphop community is against the war in Iraq! But to align me with Al Qaeda is clearly an attempt by the Daily News to interrupt the street voice of our Hiphop community, KRS-ONE’s leadership and the increased momentum of our Hiphop political movement. I don’t think Al Qaeda needs my solidarity nor did I ever offer it, so what’s the point. For a major news organization to now align KRS-ONE with Al Qaeda shows the unwarranted contempt that such an organization has for me. Such is grounds for a law suit!
Finally, no one should ever believe anything that the one-sided Daily News has to say about the same Hiphop community that it (the Daily News) has tried so desperately to undermine for years. The only thing the Daily News seems to be interested in is scandal and controversy and for years I have challenged the Daily News on its depictions of Rap artists and Hiphop as a whole. I know they don’t like me. However, I don’t give a ---- either! They never cover our efforts toward peace and all the charitable work we do within the Hiphop community. They never air our grievances or how we feel about the state of the world, nor have they ever aired our views on America’s invasion of Iraq simply because they just don’t want to hear them. The Hiphop community forces America to look at itself; and no one likes to take b.l.a.m.e. for their own for immaturity Because Looking At Me ain’t Easy!
For the record, I am an American philosopher. I speak and seek truth. If the slander that the Daily News has printed regarding my political views has disrespectfully offended anyone in any way I truly apologize. Again, it was never my or Hiphop’s intent to disregard, disrespect or demean the tragedy of September 11th 2001 and those that died that day. However, we do have a voice and a point of view and if you are not prepared to hear what Hiphop has to say about its view of world events then don’t ask!
I still think this guy is fucked. Doesn't Jesus say "love your enemy". I thought KRS said he was fighting for Jesus now. Well I don't think Jesus would agree with him on this.
not sure what to say....I can understand his side of the story a bit. PEACE
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idiot
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even b4 he said this, it was common knowledge to hip hop heads kris parker wasnt all there.
word, punk muh'fucca
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hm, weird. I could understand justice for arabs. But justice for black people? That doesnt even make sense lol. Punk.
what he says in his elaborate response is not too far off though... fuck the media
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while he might have some points, there is no excuse for the shit the Daily News quoted. And his fuckin response as to how he was 'taken out of context' doesn't provide any excuse either. It's not only cynical, but also straight up dumb to claim 9/11 was 'justice for black people' especially when your main point is racial prejudice towards blacks by WTC security. that's so fuckin blown outta proportion, think about it, 6,000 lives were lost and that includes several black lives from what i know. again, that is cynical and fuckin stupid at the same time. And it still is if you consider it 'retaliation' for the black people and injustice towards them not particularly related to the WTC, because saying that goes against christian beliefs and promoting peace and unity and seeing any kind of 'justice' in such an act (when you consider yourself a religious or religiously inspired 'spiritual minded' 'preacher') is HIGHLY ambivalent, contradictory and fuckin stupid. KRS is a punk
and what bothers me too is his incredibly presumptous and self-righteous approach to everything. He seems to be absolutely incapable of getting rid of his cockiness for a second (let alone reconsider his views instead of attacking anybody who might not share them), pointing out what a truth-speaking poet and philosopher he is various times. "I'm no. 1, oops sorry i lie, I'm no. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5". He already gets on my nerves compulsively including shit like that in political songs and messages, but in this context it gets sickening. Cocky ass bastard
i'm not even defending the media, nor the way blacks are treated or anything. KRS points out true things, but 9/11 was/is not justice for anything or anybody (on a side note, DEFINITELY not for muslims as they suffered most from the consequences) and anybody within the hiphop community of a halfway decent intellect who really wants peace should agree on that. if not, he/she'd have to come up with hella better points than KRS. It's a shame
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The man must be out his muthafuckin mind to think 9/11 did justice to anybody. :loco:
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id like to see how many copies his next album sells
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In his response he did raise some valid points, but the quotes that were used either in or out of context in the newspapers do inplicate him. Quite why anyone thinks this is going to have an effect on his next album sales though I don't know. The people who actually still buy Krs albums aren't gonna stop going to just because of this speech, most of them (probably 9 out of the 10 remaining fans) have the same views anyway.
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even b4 he said this, it was common knowledge to hip hop heads kris parker wasnt all there.
Ever since the first time I saw him on Rapcity trying to be political, I thought he was fuckin nuts. Now I realize I'm right.
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The funniest thing about this idiot is, he goes around saying charged things, then says "yall don't understand me"... the only reason he said them was to get some contraversy going.
You can't go around and say "I fuck dead bodies"....... and then say "No, that was taken out of context, let me explain what I mean when I say I fuck dead bodies". You can't say "I want to murder my wife" and then say "no, I was surprised to read the paper and find that I said I wanted to murder my wife. What I really meant was"...
Stupid motherfucker, if he says something, he should at least have the balls to stand behind it. He's a fag, and his career has been over for 20 years. He's a failure at what he was once a slight success at. How said is that?
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What a wide nosed bitch
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^ yeah man, thats wack
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I've lost a lot of respect for Krs-One. I didn't cheer 911 and I don't know a single black person who cheered that shit.
Krs-One does not speak for black people. Krs-One does not speak for hip hop. He is a washed up pseudo-intellectual arrogant windbag who talks just to hear himself speak. Whatever point he did make was lost with his unbelievable idiotic comments and his off-the-chart ego.
The fact is, no one has been checking for him since '94 and no one really gives a fuck about what he has to say. God of rap? Give me a fucking break. Krs-One is hip hop? Shut the fuck up. Chuck D is hip hop. Ice-T is hip hop. Grandmaster Flash is hip hop. Afrika Bambataa is hip hop. Rakim is hip hop. Krs-One is a washed up old faggot that no one gives a fuck about. No one appointed him the guardian of hip hop. No one made him the spokesperson for hip hop. Remember when he made that song Rapture dissing rappers like Puffy, then he did a remix with Puffy? What a hypocritical piece of shit. Krs, don't say you speak for me because you don't. Fuck you.
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You can't go around and say "I fuck dead bodies"....... and then say "No, that was taken out of context, let me explain what I mean when I say I fuck dead bodies". You can't say "I want to murder my wife" and then say "no, I was surprised to read the paper and find that I said I wanted to murder my wife. What I really meant was"...
you just don't get the point. He didn't say HE was happy that it happened. WHen he talked about "we were cheering" he's refering to the hiphop community looking at the companies in the building. Not the people but the companies. That point of view is simply not considering that people were in that building that's why it is an unacceptable point of view on the WHOLE tragedy, including all the people that lost their lives and he says that himself. Simply saying you cheered when something happened that peeps lost their lifes over is "crazy" as he put it himself.
I'd only be repeatin what I wrote before so ima just quote
NOT saying they[the people] don't matter, they're simply not part of this point of view. (e.g., if it's your job to estimate the costs caused by an accident you don't need to consider how many people died in it cause it's not your job at the time. That doesn't mean you don't care about these people)
from his point of view as a person he found the attacks to be as terrible as everybody else thought they were
"I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911."
"of course a lot of our friends and family were lost there as well"
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You can't go around and say "I fuck dead bodies"....... and then say "No, that was taken out of context, let me explain what I mean when I say I fuck dead bodies". You can't say "I want to murder my wife" and then say "no, I was surprised to read the paper and find that I said I wanted to murder my wife. What I really meant was"...
you just don't get the point. He didn't say HE was happy that it happened. WHen he talked about "we were cheering" he's refering to the hiphop community looking at the companies in the building. Not the people but the companies. That point of view is simply not considering that people were in that building that's why it is an unacceptable point of view on the WHOLE tragedy, including all the people that lost their lives and he says that himself. Simply saying you cheered when something happened that peeps lost their lifes over is "crazy" as he put it himself.
YOU CANT GO AROUND SAYING CONTRAVERSIAL SHIT, THEN TRY AND EXPLAIN IT AWAY. He could have just said
"Well, I'm not concerned about the companies that were in the building, I think many of them were racist." or something. Why say "I CHEERED" fuck him, fuck his, fuck you, fuck whoever cheered. You're all a bunch of pricks for that. There's no explaining away an asshole's remarks.
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You can't go around and say "I fuck dead bodies"....... and then say "No, that was taken out of context, let me explain what I mean when I say I fuck dead bodies". You can't say "I want to murder my wife" and then say "no, I was surprised to read the paper and find that I said I wanted to murder my wife. What I really meant was"...
you just don't get the point. He didn't say HE was happy that it happened. WHen he talked about "we were cheering" he's refering to the hiphop community looking at the companies in the building. Not the people but the companies. That point of view is simply not considering that people were in that building that's why it is an unacceptable point of view on the WHOLE tragedy, including all the people that lost their lives and he says that himself. Simply saying you cheered when something happened that peeps lost their lifes over is "crazy" as he put it himself.
YOU CANT GO AROUND SAYING CONTRAVERSIAL SHIT, THEN TRY AND EXPLAIN IT AWAY. He could have just said
"Well, I'm not concerned about the companies that were in the building, I think many of them were racist." or something. Why say "I CHEERED" fuck him, fuck his, fuck you, fuck whoever cheered. You're all a bunch of pricks for that. There's no explaining away an asshole's remarks.
You can't go around saying fuck somebody when you're not only too retarded to get what he really meant but actually too ignorant to even read it.
And yet again you prove your considerable lack of intelligence and text comprehension when you imply that I said I cheered. KRS cheered for the reason that he thinks it's damaging the companies he's talking about, I don't think it has any effect on their power and the way they controle the hiphop industry so I didn't cheer from that point of view, I simply didn't give a fuck. Repetition of the previously written for the simple-minded: Whether you cheered, cried or laughed your ass off from that point of view does not express your feelings to towards the attacks in general. All it does express is your feelings towards the companies in the building and your estimation of what effect the attacks have on these companies. The people in the building don't have a single thing to do with that point of view. KRS thought the attacks would damage the companies in the building so from that point of view he cheered because from that point of view no people were in the building so there's no reason to be said. Now the fact of the matter is there were people in it so the attacks as a whole with all their consequences are in KRS' oppinion horrible and nothing to be glad about.
All he did is express a seperated point of view on ONE aspect of the attacks (the business aspect). That doesn' take ANYTHING away from the fact that he is as said as everybody else that 911 happened cause people did die.
If a bomb kills a whole lotta people including
1.a tyran who controlled the whole country and
2.your parents
You are sad and wish it wouldn't have happened, yet, thinking about the political aspect only you do cheer at the fact that the country's now free.
Now if you were asked about your political opinion on what happened you could say "I cheered when the tyran's oppression was blown away" even if you actually cried when it happened cause your parents and other peeps died. It doesn't mean you literally cheered, it only means you would have cheered if that was the only effect of what happened and since you currently speak about the political aspect only, you also express your reaction to the political aspect only. Your reaction to the end of the tyran's oppression = cheering.
And that is exactly what KRS did
"My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”. I made an objective statement about the feelings of those who were oppressed by world trade policies. I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911. "
You might call KRS a fool for saying it in a way that's easy to interpretate wrongly, especially whithout the context BUT you can not call him fucked up for having that opinion cause there is NOTHING wrong or even offensive about the opinion.
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He's trying to change the story cuz he's afraid to get killed
FUck anyone who believes he didnt say it
FUCk KRs-One even harder
pz
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He's trying to change the story cuz he's afraid to get killed
FUck anyone who believes he didnt say it
FUCk KRs-One even harder
pz
lol are you slow ? he never said he didn't say it, it's just nothing wrong with the way he said it, I explained it in the post right above yours so it shouldn't be that hard
oh well.. :
All he did is express a seperated point of view on ONE aspect of the attacks (the business aspect). That doesn' take ANYTHING away from the fact that he is as said as everybody else that 911 happened cause people did die.
If a bomb kills a whole lotta people including
1.a tyran who controlled the whole country and
2.your parents
You are sad and wish it wouldn't have happened, yet, thinking about the political aspect only you do cheer at the fact that the country's now free.
Now if you were asked about your political opinion on what happened you could say "I cheered when the tyran's oppression was blown away" even if you actually cried when it happened cause your parents and other peeps died. It doesn't mean you literally cheered, it only means you would have cheered if that was the only effect of what happened and since you currently speak about the political aspect only, you also express your reaction to the political aspect only. Your reaction to the end of the tyran's oppression = cheering.
And that is exactly what KRS did
"My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”. I made an objective statement about the feelings of those who were oppressed by world trade policies. I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911. "
You might call KRS a fool for saying it in a way that's easy to interpretate wrongly, especially whithout the context BUT you can not call him fucked up for having that opinion cause there is NOTHING wrong or even offensive about the opinion.
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while he might have some points, there is no excuse for the shit the Daily News quoted. And his fuckin response as to how he was 'taken out of context' doesn't provide any excuse either. It's not only cynical, but also straight up dumb to claim 9/11 was 'justice for black people' especially when your main point is racial prejudice towards blacks by WTC security. that's so fuckin blown outta proportion, think about it, 6,000 lives were lost and that includes several black lives from what i know. again, that is cynical and fuckin stupid at the same time. And it still is if you consider it 'retaliation' for the black people and injustice towards them not particularly related to the WTC, because saying that goes against christian beliefs and promoting peace and unity and seeing any kind of 'justice' in such an act (when you consider yourself a religious or religiously inspired 'spiritual minded' 'preacher') is HIGHLY ambivalent, contradictory and fuckin stupid. KRS is a punk
and what bothers me too is his incredibly presumptous and self-righteous approach to everything. He seems to be absolutely incapable of getting rid of his cockiness for a second (let alone reconsider his views instead of attacking anybody who might not share them), pointing out what a truth-speaking poet and philosopher he is various times. "I'm no. 1, oops sorry i lie, I'm no. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5". He already gets on my nerves compulsively including shit like that in political songs and messages, but in this context it gets sickening. Cocky ass bastard
i'm not even defending the media, nor the way blacks are treated or anything. KRS points out true things, but 9/11 was/is not justice for anything or anybody (on a side note, DEFINITELY not for muslims as they suffered most from the consequences) and anybody within the hiphop community of a halfway decent intellect who really wants peace should agree on that. if not, he/she'd have to come up with hella better points than KRS. It's a shame
My thoughts exactly. Like I said earlier, I don't know a single black person who cheered that shit. I think the only person who cheered this was Bush, Cheney and their cohorts since now they have a ready made excuse to wreak havoc and reap the profits.
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I think you people are too dramatical, yea it was a pretty nasty thing to say, and yea KRS is pretty much hungry for controversy right now, but that doesn't change the fact KRS is one of the most important veterans as far as rap goes, Criminal Minded was one of the main foundations of Hardcore Rap, and later Krs would craft some of the most eloquent political and socially aware raps no metter how controversial or hard-to-agree-with they were, the fact he made a stupid statement doesn't take away his place in Rap's history,
that's what Ive always been saying, a rapper's personal beliefes, views and subject metter are up to him, what I as a listener have the right to demand is proper depiction of whatever the rapper wants to express(and KRS had almost always been cristal clear in his raps)...for example I love Talib's and Mos's music but alot of their views in politics negate mine but that doesn't make them any less of rappers.
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My thoughts exactly. Like I said earlier, I don't know a single black person who cheered that shit. I think the only person who cheered this was Bush, Cheney and their cohorts since now they have a ready made excuse to wreak havoc and reap the profits.
LoL it's starting to get annoying.. wtf's wrong with yall ya keep talkin shit but ya won't get into the subject
KRS did not cheer
at the attacks
read the whole statement and stop acting like retards, I already gave you an example to make it easier to understand. IF you already read his whole statement and my elaborations / example, and you STILL think otherwise, BRING YOUR POINTS UP and I'll be happy to admit I was wrong if your arguments prove mine wrong.. but DON'T just keep talkin worthless bullshit without ever habing tried to understand what you're judging
I already adressed Kill, Trauma, Gangstauu and now Juronimo
by name and none of you did / could come up with anything
the only one who even responded was Trauma and what he said is "fuck his, fuck you, fuck whoever cheered" which really ain't shit considering I just said I didn't cheer and neither did KRS, I stil responded but he didn't after that. Seems like he doesn't have anything to say when it comes to bringing up actual points and not just talkin shit
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Trauma, you faggot, your hip hop pass has been revoked joing up with your TOT pass, manhood pass, and intelligence pass revokes.
"He sucks at what he once was a slight success in"
KRS was a slight success in hip hop? Are you fuckin nuts? Hasnt dropped a great album in almost a decade, and still considered top 3 hands down. Respect this shit chump
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ok L2DB, since you are extremly dedicated to defending KRS and discussing his views, i will repeat myself, break down his statement and re-formulate some stuff
as for the cheering...
Like everyone I was shocked to read that I and other African-Americans actually “cheered when 911 happened” and that I have “declared my solidarity with Al Qaeda”. When I read my words taken out of context I was shocked and disappointed that the Daily News would go this far to assassinate my character and distort my views. Such statements with no follow up explanation or interview from KRS-ONE as to what he may have meant or even a complete quote of my point is simply irresponsible journalism on the Daily News’ part. I would never just say something as crazy as “we cheered when 911 happened!” I was making an objective point about how many Hiphoppas as well as the oppressed peoples of the world felt that day. I am a philosopher and a critical thinker, I speak truth and I urge people to think critically about themselves and their environment. Yes, my words are strong. Yes, my views are controversial. But to call me a terrorist is simply wrong!
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I was asked by the New Yorker magazine to discuss “different and personal beliefs musicians hold and the contribution artists like myself can make to the nation’s political dialog”. My views were indeed different and most were personal. However, when I was asked about why Hiphop has not engaged the current situation more (meaning 911) my responds was “because it does not affect us, or at least we don’t perceive that it effects us, 911 happened to them”. I went on to say that “I am speaking for the culture now; I am not speaking my personal opinion”. I continued to say; “911 effected them down the block; the rich, the powerful those that are oppressing us as a culture. Sony, RCA or BMG, Universal, the radio stations, Clear Channel, Viacom with BET and MTV, those are our oppressors those are the people that we’re trying to overcome in Hiphop everyday, this is a daily thing. We cheered when 911 happened in New York and say that proudly here. Because when we were down at the trade center we were getting hit over the head by cops, told that we can’t come in this building, hustled down to the train station because of the way we dressed and talked, and so on, we were racially profiled. So, when the planes hit the building we were like; mmmm justice.” And just as I began to say “now of course a lot of our friends and family were lost there as well” but I was interrupted.
My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”. I made an objective statement about the feelings of those who were oppressed by world trade policies. I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911. However, for many of us that were racially profiled and harassed by the World’s Trade Center’s security and the police patrolling that area as well as the thousands of American protesters that spoke out against the World Trade Organization months before in Seattle, Washington there was a sense of justice, a sense of change, a wake up call watching the twin towers fall. These are not my views only; these views represent a popular truth that few people are really ready to hear. No one wished death on anyone or just sat and “cheered when 911 happened”. But some of us can see through the bullshit! America must change its approach to the world and its citizens. This, I believe is what all Americans should be thinking about. How do we make our country better?
'objective statement', cazzo mio. This being an 'objective statement' as to the 'feelings of those oppressed by WT policies' has already been proven wrong in this topic by people saying how blacks did NOT cheer in ANY WAY or consider 9/11 'justice'. You can simply not claim KRS did NOT cheer in ANY WAY either, as he literally said what i made red in the quote above. What he tried to do by writing this subsequent piece of attempted self-justification is excusing very polemic statements by saying that they were a reflection of a popular view as to America and its policies and trying to eliminate their inherent cynicism by pointing out the injustice that was commonplace around the WTC before the attacks. This does, however, not work. None of what he said justifies using the word 'cheering' (which he did use and that's that) in any however metaphorical way or considering the loss of 6,000 mostly innocent people 'justice' of any kind. None of what he said can fool me into overlooking the ambivalence of preaching peace and unity and at the same time saying '9/11 happened to them, so it's justice'. How very unifying, pacifist and philantropical.
I am a philosopher and a critical thinker, I speak truth
I am a poet and I speak poetically
KRS-ONE’s leadership...
For the record, I am an American philosopher. I speak and seek truth
as for this, i think quoting myself is enough
and what bothers me too is his incredibly presumptous and self-righteous approach to everything. He seems to be absolutely incapable of getting rid of his cockiness for a second (let alone reconsider his views instead of attacking anybody who might not share them), pointing out what a truth-speaking poet and philosopher he is various times. "I'm no. 1, oops sorry i lie, I'm no. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5". He already gets on my nerves compulsively including shit like that in political songs and messages, but in this context it gets sickening. Cocky ass bastard
what i can add is that the notion that he embodies hiphop as a whole is stuck in his head, better yet an axiom on which he bases practically everything he says...do you know what apodictic means? He considers his subjective views 1. absolutely true with nothing to be added or brought in and 2. reflective of the whole hiphop community with anybody who might not agree being wrong, period. bring up any evidence of the contrary, good luck. his compulsive bigging up himself confirms that to me
...if you are not prepared to hear what Hiphop has to say about its view of world events then don’t ask
KRS-ONE = HipHop, uhu...F.U.C.K. T.H.A.T.
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First of this is not a about race
"I don’t speak for the African American community exclusively, I speak for HIPHOP!"
and KRS did NOT mean that all hiphop fans in existance had the same feeling as he did so as of yet I don't see how he's been proven wrong
You can simply not claim KRS did NOT cheer in ANY WAY either, as he literally said what i made red in the quote above
Yes KRS said he cheered and anybody who read my post knows that I never said he didn't cheer in any way but what he didn't is cheer at the attacks in general
"My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”.
You can simply not claim KRS DID cheer, as he literally said he did not in the quote above i made red.
The key to the understanding of what KRS said is to understand what the "cheering in a way" as you put it means and after reading your post I think it's safe to say, so far, you didn't.
All he did is express a seperated point of view on ONE aspect of the attacks (the business aspect). That doesn' take ANYTHING away from the fact that he is as said as everybody else that 911 happened cause people did die.
If a bomb kills a whole lotta people including
1.a tyran who controlled the whole country and
2.your parents
You are sad and wish it wouldn't have happened, yet, thinking about the political aspect only you do cheer at the fact that the country's now free.
Now if you were asked about your political opinion on what happened you could say "I cheered when the tyran's oppression was blown away" even if you actually cried when it happened cause your parents and other peeps died. It doesn't mean you literally cheered, it only means you would have cheered if that was the only effect of what happened and since you currently speak about the political aspect only, you also express your reaction to the political aspect only. Your reaction to the end of the tyran's oppression = cheering.
And that is exactly what KRS did
"My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”. I made an objective statement about the feelings of those who were oppressed by world trade policies. I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911. "
You might call KRS a fool for saying it in a way that's easy to interpretate wrongly, especially whithout the context BUT you can not call him fucked up for having that opinion cause there is NOTHING wrong or even offensive about the opinion.
tell me how expressing your feelings towards a subject from a seperated point of view can be wrong as long as you keep in mind AND SAY (which he did) that this point of view does NOT reflect yours, or anybody's attitude towards the WHOLE subject.
If KRS had the power to make the attacks and all their effects undone, HE WOULD. He is NOT happy that it happened. What he's happy about is the positive thing to it but that doesn't have anything to do with the negative effect, the death of all the people that were in the WTC. And since the negative effect is on a whole nother level than the positive one he, as well as everybody else is sad, not happy, not cheering about what happened. That's why he says "I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911".
All he did is see a positive aspect of a big tragedy and point it out. He still finds the tragedy to be what it is, a tragedy that nobody should ever want to happen.
You're simply blinded by the fact that he generalizes his view on this certain aspect and claims for it to be the view of the whole hiphop community. If you're mad about that, aight, nothin wrong with that, but don't mix it up with the content of this view.
KRS-ONE = HipHop, uhu...F.U.C.K. T.H.A.T.
False. KRS-One = HipHop, Y.E.S. I.N.D.E.E.D., KRS = the whole hiphop community, false
If you were more into KRS you'd know that him being hiphop only means he's 100% HipHop, not HipHop is him. He's living for hiphop, not for the cash that's in it like many other rappers. In his opinion every emcee who did a bunch of albums should offer his new album on the internet for everyone to download and sell so the fan part of the hiphop community got something in return after spending all the money in the artists previous albums.
While selling the albums they're again promoting the artist. This is just one example for how serious KRS takes the hiphop community, he also went to the United Nations and had them accept HipHop as a legal and official culture.
That's why KRS says "I am HipHop" while Nelly for example is not even though he does rap music. He doesn't claim he's the only one with the right to say "I am HipHop", not at all.
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First of this is not a about race
"I don’t speak for the African American community exclusively, I speak for HIPHOP!"
and KRS did NOT mean that all hiphop fans in existance had the same feeling as he did so as of yet I don't see how he's been proven wrong
You can simply not claim KRS did NOT cheer in ANY WAY either, as he literally said what i made red in the quote above
Yes KRS said he cheered and anybody who read my post knows that I never said he didn't cheer in any way but what he didn't is cheer at the attacks in general
"My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”.
You can simply not claim KRS DID cheer, as he literally said he did not in the quote above i made red.
The key to the understanding of what KRS said is to understand what the "cheering in a way" as you put it means and after reading your post I think it's safe to say, so far, you didn't.
All he did is express a seperated point of view on ONE aspect of the attacks (the business aspect). That doesn' take ANYTHING away from the fact that he is as said as everybody else that 911 happened cause people did die.
If a bomb kills a whole lotta people including
1.a tyran who controlled the whole country and
2.your parents
You are sad and wish it wouldn't have happened, yet, thinking about the political aspect only you do cheer at the fact that the country's now free.
Now if you were asked about your political opinion on what happened you could say "I cheered when the tyran's oppression was blown away" even if you actually cried when it happened cause your parents and other peeps died. It doesn't mean you literally cheered, it only means you would have cheered if that was the only effect of what happened and since you currently speak about the political aspect only, you also express your reaction to the political aspect only. Your reaction to the end of the tyran's oppression = cheering.
And that is exactly what KRS did
"My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”. I made an objective statement about the feelings of those who were oppressed by world trade policies. I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911. "
You might call KRS a fool for saying it in a way that's easy to interpretate wrongly, especially whithout the context BUT you can not call him fucked up for having that opinion cause there is NOTHING wrong or even offensive about the opinion.
i do understand that point of yours. that point is that you can see various aspects to something that is a tragedy and while you find it overall saddening, you can still see its positive effects and be glad about them. if that is not your point, i didn't understand it (fully), if so i understood that from the beginning. the whole thing is a moralic issue though. "Cheering" is an emotional outburst, it is NOT the same as "being glad about" or "seeing the positive side to" something. KRS said he didn't mean it literally, but my opinion is that it is stupid and not justified to use it metaphorically, either. By saying that he polemically implied something that is totally wrong and even though the positive sides to 9/11 may exist (i never denied that, i said he did have some points in my very first post) he is to blame for the hate he gets. He provoked it and his overall behavior in this situation pisses me off. From his first statement you can not draw the conclusion that he was actually very sad and just had enough pragmatism left in his state of grief to figure there were positive aspects. No, you canfuckinnot see that. Had he apologized for his choice of words, or explained it saying that they might have been open to interpretation and not been very clear, i wouldn't be bothered even though i still wouldn't fully agree and still consider it cynical to say shit 'happened to them' and 6,000 lives lost are justice for blacks that were racially profiled and harassed by WTC security. Instead, what KRS did was write an aggressive and offensive statement in which he didn't remotely show traces of even the capability of self-criticism and instead attacked everybody who misinterprated his poetic truth-preaching thought-provoking HipHop ass, which was only logical from the way he originally said stuff. Do you understand that point??
You're simply blinded by the fact that he generalizes his view on this certain aspect and claims for it to be the view of the whole hiphop community. If you're mad about that, aight, nothin wrong with that, but don't mix it up with the content of this view.
If it seemed to you that i did not seperate it from the rest, sorry. It goes along with his cockiness and bigging up himself, but it is of course not the same thing as his views themselves or the way he reacted to the responses itself
KRS-ONE = HipHop, uhu...F.U.C.K. T.H.A.T.
False. KRS-One = HipHop, Y.E.S. I.N.D.E.E.D., KRS = the whole hiphop community, false
If you were more into KRS you'd know that him being hiphop only means he's 100% HipHop, not HipHop is him. He's living for hiphop, not for the cash that's in it like many other rappers. In his opinion every emcee who did a bunch of albums should offer his new album on the internet for everyone to download and sell so the fan part of the hiphop community got something in return after spending all the money in the artists previous albums.
While selling the albums they're again promoting the artist. This is just one example for how serious KRS takes the hiphop community, he also went to the United Nations and had them accept HipHop as a legal and official culture.
That's why KRS says "I am HipHop" while Nelly for example is not even though he does rap music. He doesn't claim he's the only one with the right to say "I am HipHop", not at all.
no, i know that, but he thinks he's in the position to judge and define who can call themselves hiphop and what hiphop is and stands for. he overestimates himself as to his position and objectivity
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i do understand that point of yours. that point is that you can see various aspects to something that is a tragedy and while you find it overall saddening, you can still see its positive effects and be glad about them. if that is not your point, i didn't understand it (fully), if so i understood that from the beginning. the whole thing is a moralic issue though. "Cheering" is an emotional outburst, it is NOT the same as "being glad about" or "seeing the positive side to" something. KRS said he didn't mean it literally, but my opinion is that it is stupid and not justified to use it metaphorically, either. By saying that he polemically implied something that is totally wrong and even though the positive sides to 9/11 may exist (i never denied that, i said he did have some points in my very first post) he is to blame for the hate he gets. He provoked it and his overall behavior in this situation pisses me off. From his first statement you can not draw the conclusion that he was actually very sad and just had enough pragmatism left in his state of grief to figure there were positive aspects. No, you canfuckinnot see that. Had he apologized for his choice of words, or explained it saying that they might have been open to interpretation and not been very clear, i wouldn't be bothered even though i still wouldn't fully agree and still consider it cynical to say shit 'happened to them' and 6,000 lives lost are justice for blacks that were racially profiled and harassed by WTC security. Instead, what KRS did was write an aggressive and offensive statement in which he didn't remotely show traces of even the capability of self-criticism and instead attacked everybody who misinterprated his poetic truth-preaching thought-provoking HipHop ass, which was only logical from the way he originally said stuff. Do you understand that point??
well it seems like you do understand it but not how much it changes the message of the quote the daily news used. What you have to keep in mind is that they used the quotes they needed, they didn't print the whole statement so we can't just say he should have elaborated more when they simply didn't give him the chance to (not only have they chosen particular parts, they even interrupted him so he couldn't explain it more).
Had he apologized for his choice of words, or explained it saying that they might have been open to interpretation and not been very clear, i wouldn't be bothered
in that case, consider yourself unbothered
"If the slander that the Daily News has printed regarding my political views has disrespectfully offended anyone in any way I truly apologize. Again, it was never my or Hiphop’s intent to disregard, disrespect or demean the tragedy of September 11th 2001 and those that died that day. "
the fact that the part you quoted yourself "For the record, I am an American philosopher. I speak and seek truth." is followed by the quote above makes me wonder how you can imply he didn't apologize when you necessarily read that part..
And as I said before, you can call him a fool for saying it this way, but that's not cause it's offending, that's because it's easy to misinterpretate so it can't make him a "punk"
from your previous statementthere is no excuse for the shit the Daily News quoted. And his fuckin response as to how he was 'taken out of context' doesn't provide any excuse either. It's not only cynical, but also straight up dumb to claim 9/11 was 'justice for black people' especially when your main point is racial prejudice towards blacks by WTC security. that's so fuckin blown outta proportion, think about it, 6,000 lives were lost and that includes several black lives from what i know.
I don't come to the conclusion that you fully understood that he was only talking about one aspect from the beginning on. the reason you call it "outta proportion" is that you think KRS meant to say "a lotta people might've died, but still there are positive aspects to what happened and they kinda make up for the lost lifes" which is NOT true.
There is no such proportoin KRS ever intended to express and neither did he. That's why he underlines that he did NOT literally cheer and that he is AS sad about it as everybody else, AS sad as you, not a bit less, that it happened. He couldn't possibly be as sad as we all if he thought that the positive aspect is anywhere near comparable to the negative one. so YES it DOES provide an excuse explanation for his comments.
I see what you say about his "fist statement" not expressing that but then you have to consider that those wasn't his complete first statement and when you said what I quoted you had already read his complete statement so that impression of yours was not based on those out of context taken quotes.
If it seemed to you that i did not seperate it from the rest, sorry. It goes along with his cockiness and bigging up himself, but it is of course not the same thing as his views themselves or the way he reacted to the responses itself
What I meant is not that you can't see that these are 2 different aspects, but that the way he says it makes you overlook that he actually did fully explain the controversial quotes and that there is no doubt left that he is NOT happy about the attacks as a whole. The reason for that impression is the quote of yours I mentioned before
no, i know that, but he thinks he's in the position to judge and define who can call themselves hiphop and what hiphop is and stands for. he overestimates himself as to his position and objectivity
well that is a matter of opinion, personally I agree with him on his denfietion of hiphop, he's not a hater of commercial artists, he likes Eminem for example, he's just really objective enough to say that vertain aspects of Em's carrier are not the way it's supposed to be for somebody who's all about the hiphop culture.
Whether or not you agree with his definition, fact remains everybody has his denfition and thinks he's right, not only KRS. At least that's how I see it
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ok, i'm not really trying to go on for ages, so i'll say just a few more things
1. I see KRS is not happy abouth the attacks as a whole, which i didn't really assume, still i think if he brings up the point of racial profiling and says "when the planes hit the building we were like, umm, justice" there has to be a relation between these and it's a cynical statement to call it justice of any kind; it implies those hit were the 'enemy' so to speak and their killing might be deplorable but has on the other hand been just in some way; that message is simply inherent in this statement and if it is not the message he intended to deliver, then he lacked the eloquence to get his real point across. If that was the case he should have seen that, at least afterwards
2. ok, there was some sort of apology there, but he attacked the Daily News - while i don't read that newspaper and believe they might possibly not be open-minded and unbiased towards hiphop and its people, i think from KRS' original speech the way KRS quoted it himself, they couldn't see that things weren't intended to imply what the quotes they used implied. In other words, there is no solid evidence of any bad intention held by them. For KRS to attack them is therefore wrong, cause like i said, he is to blame for the way he said shit originally. And ok, he might not be a punk for his opinions (i still don't agree fully, period), but he's a foo for expressing them the way he did and afterwards getting mad at a newspaper that quoted him and gave people only the impression most of them would have been given by the original speech itself as well.
3. i still think he's cocky and overestimates himself as for hiphop. he acts like his views are way more objective than they are and i say this in no concrete relation to this 9/11 stuff. that's something i never liked him for. and i'm not a KRS-ONE hater and i enjoy some of his music for the record. but i don't like him as a person, sorry
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ok, i'm not really trying to go on for ages, so i'll say just a few more things
1. I see KRS is not happy abouth the attacks as a whole, which i didn't really assume, still i think if he brings up the point of racial profiling and says "when the planes hit the building we were like, umm, justice" there has to be a relation between these and it's a cynical statement to call it justice of any kind; it implies those hit were the 'enemy' so to speak and their killing might be deplorable but has on the other hand been just in some way; that message is simply inherent in this statement and if it is not the message he intended to deliver, then he lacked the eloquence to get his real point across. If that was the case he should have seen that, at least afterwards
2. ok, there was some sort of apology there, but he attacked the Daily News - while i don't read that newspaper and believe they might possibly not be open-minded and unbiased towards hiphop and its people, i think from KRS' original speech the way KRS quoted it himself, they couldn't see that things weren't intended to imply what the quotes they used implied. In other words, there is no solid evidence of any bad intention held by them. For KRS to attack them is therefore wrong, cause like i said, he is to blame for the way he said shit originally. And ok, he might not be a punk for his opinions (i still don't agree fully, period), but he's a foo for expressing them the way he did and afterwards getting mad at a newspaper that quoted him and gave people only the impression most of them would have been given by the original speech itself as well.
3. i still think he's cocky and overestimates himself as for hiphop. he acts like his views are way more objective than they are and i say this in no concrete relation to this 9/11 stuff. that's something i never liked him for. and i'm not a KRS-ONE hater and i enjoy some of his music for the record. but i don't like him as a person, sorry
1. seeing how much of a difference it is wether you consider the context or not, we can't tell how much is to blame on his "lack of eloquence" and how much on the fact that the quotes were out of the context.
And as I said before, he didn't say from his point of view the attacks were in some way justice, in fact he said the opposite. That's cause his point of view is considering everything, the attacks as a whole. That other point of view he describes is the one which does NOT consider the everything, it ignores the people that died. Therefore from this point of view it's justice, and a reason to cheer. His own point of view does not provie these positive feelings towards the attacks so from this point of view it wasn't justice either, in no way.
2.I agree 100% that the quotes the Daily News used, as you correctly put it, nobody could see that the things he adressed weren't intended to have the message they seemed to have. When I first read the article, the day before it was posted here, I was like "wft this can't be true, it's probably bullshit (cause I didn't know that it was printed in a newspaper but thought it was from some website) KRS can't be gone crazy all of a sudden", so I couldn't see any other message either. But then I read that it was taken out of the context and not really KRS views on the whole thing. They used the parts they wanted to use so I totally see the reason KRS is complaining for.
Just look at this thread, alomst everybody seems to have the impression KRS is glad about the attacks as a whole. Everybody's like "no black cat I know cheered wtf's he talkin about". You, having read everything n shit, already said that he isn't a punk but just a foo for saying it that way.. so hell yeah, they did damage his reputation with the way they took only those quotes out of the context which discribed the view on ONE aspect and made it seem like he was happy about the whole thing.
3.I see why someone would feel like that about him, he's definalty not humble, but I don't think he really overestimates himself much either cause he IS as much of a representer of hiphop as you can possibly be. Nobody, I repeat nobody, is giving up everything else for what he thinks is the real hiphop more or even as much as KRS does. He doesn't care about his sales, what the hate he gets for alotta stuff like that "i am hiphop" shit, he gives speeches at universiys and school on a regular base, he found the temple of hiphop, made hiphop a legal culture, ect ,.. it's not like he's getin payed for any of his activities other than the rap albums he sales which ain't shit compared to the numbers he could do if he let the expactations of the mainstream influence a lil more.. hell when he was young he left home to to be a bum when he thought it was necessary to experience the hiphop world.. His whole life is dedicated to preserving the hiphop as a culture (which adds to the fact that he was also one of the peeps who built hiphop to what it became).. Since all he does is think about these thinks he's of course also very confident in his judgement on hiphop related things..
if you don't like him that's of course your choice but I just hope you consider these facts when I build your opinion on him.
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2. ok, there was some sort of apology there, but he attacked the Daily News - while i don't read that newspaper and believe they might possibly not be open-minded and unbiased towards hiphop and its people, i think from KRS' original speech the way KRS quoted it himself, they couldn't see that things weren't intended to imply what the quotes they used implied. In other words, there is no solid evidence of any bad intention held by them. For KRS to attack them is therefore wrong, cause like i said, he is to blame for the way he said shit originally. And ok, he might not be a punk for his opinions (i still don't agree fully, period), but he's a foo for expressing them the way he did and afterwards getting mad at a newspaper that quoted him and gave people only the impression most of them would have been given by the original speech itself as well.
a"Like everyone I was shocked to read that I and other African-Americans actually “cheered when 911 happened” and that I have “declared my solidarity with Al Qaeda”. you wanna tell me claiming he declared his solidarity with Al Qaeda is not something you should never say aboutanybody unless he literally said that ? It doesn't leave any doubt at all about him being happy about the attacks as a whole..