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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Russell Bell on September 08, 2013, 01:58:45 AM
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Obama's first victory in 2008 was the culmination of massive support from women, minorities, Liberals, college students, and some independents. He also got support although not as much from those same categories the next go round.
The words were "hope" and "change", which to his supporters and because of carefully planned propaganda, symbolized a "fairer" and more "reasonable" govt headed by a man who would win the Nobel Peace Prize.
Many, like myself, had the forethought to realize that Obama was just a well advertised politician much of the same cloth as Bush Jr and many of the other interventionist, big govt, big spending, and union/special interest pandering types we've had our share of in the White House.
I'm not saying I am perfect or necessarily smarter than those who voted for Obama, and I'm not saying "toldya so" here, but I am asking those members on here who fit the category of Obama Supporter (either present or reformed) to defend this position.
With the spying revelations, big payouts to the ppl who caused the financial crisis (big business and unions alike), and the Obama Administration trying to drum up support for another excursion into the Middle East which will result in another failed regime change, the idea of "hope" and "change" coming from this guy seem even more (yes its possible) ridiculous than before the writing was on the wall.
Members like OG Classic Material, MDogg, and anyone else who supports or supported this man, please give me the case as to why you did/do support this proven liar and huckster.
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i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given
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i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given
props to you for having the balls to say that and i respect the lesser of two evils deal, i just disagree
watch none of these pussies even respond
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i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given
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i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given
you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.
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Voting for any party really does not matter, they are basicly two sides of the same coin.
Yeah you get a little bit left and you get a little bit right policy.
But the important policies are basicly the same for both parties!
You both act like Obama is complete free in his decision.
I disagree.
I am quite surprised about Obama his recent tracking back on Syria. The Attack will come, but it looks like he is hesitating again.
Remember this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFYvwICHxXo
Now look at Obama visting Israel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoE_vEjAI30
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i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given
you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.
Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.
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i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given
you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.
Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.
so why did u vote for him twice?
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i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given
you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.
Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.
so why did u vote for him twice?
Because Jill Stein wasn't the answer for the Green Party. And at the time, Obama had NOT gone into Syria for 1 and a half years after the country went to shit. So I thought, why not vote for him again, he isn't going to war with Syria and he's progressive ENOUGH. Less that one year later, we are still at wait and see with Obama. He gave one small hope, but the rest is just shit. He said we aren't the World Police, but then he left the door open to play police. ::)
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i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given
you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.
Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.
so why did u vote for him twice?
Because Jill Stein wasn't the answer for the Green Party. And at the time, Obama had NOT gone into Syria for 1 and a half years after the country went to shit. So I thought, why not vote for him again, he isn't going to war with Syria and he's progressive ENOUGH. Less that one year later, we are still at wait and see with Obama. He gave one small hope, but the rest is just shit. He said we aren't the World Police, but then he left the door open to play police. ::)
lmao.....wait n see with obama? i think its safe to say he put all his cards on the table now.
ppl like u shouldnt be allowed to vote.
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I voted for him the first time around. I was only 19 at the time and was pretty un-educated on the entire thing. I did realize that at the end of the day he was another politician but completely underestimated how slimy the bastard actually is. What gets me the most is how he campaigned on how horrible Bush's foreign policy was and he's pulling the same BS. Not to mention all the spying, financial stuff, etc. I can't stand all the people that were at Bush's throat for all the awful shit he did but are completely ignorant to the fact that this piece of shit is cut from the same cloth. Just makes me sick to see all the young stupid people my age that hated Bush and refuse to hold Obama accountable. It's obviously worth mentioning that the two-party system as a whole is broken, just the inconsistency of so many people is what irritates me the most.
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i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given
you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.
Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.
so why did u vote for him twice?
Because Jill Stein wasn't the answer for the Green Party. And at the time, Obama had NOT gone into Syria for 1 and a half years after the country went to shit. So I thought, why not vote for him again, he isn't going to war with Syria and he's progressive ENOUGH. Less that one year later, we are still at wait and see with Obama. He gave one small hope, but the rest is just shit. He said we aren't the World Police, but then he left the door open to play police. ::)
lmao.....wait n see with obama? i think its safe to say he put all his cards on the table now.
ppl like u shouldnt be allowed to vote.
I was talking more on Syria. Right now that's the main thing I'm looking at. Obama already failed with the NSA. He has failed what I'll call the Bush test. Will liberals get mad if Bush did something like the NSA, yes. So if that's the case, then they should get mad at Obama for doing the same thing. That's already a fail in my books. I'm sitting back right now and watching how he handles Syria. That's my wait and see. This is basically, is Obama a complete fuck up, or just a fuck up.
I voted for him the first time around. I was only 19 at the time and was pretty un-educated on the entire thing. I did realize that at the end of the day he was another politician but completely underestimated how slimy the bastard actually is. What gets me the most is how he campaigned on how horrible Bush's foreign policy was and he's pulling the same BS. Not to mention all the spying, financial stuff, etc. I can't stand all the people that were at Bush's throat for all the awful shit he did but are completely ignorant to the fact that this piece of shit is cut from the same cloth. Just makes me sick to see all the young stupid people my age that hated Bush and refuse to hold Obama accountable. It's obviously worth mentioning that the two-party system as a whole is broken, just the inconsistency of so many people is what irritates me the most.
The US foreign policy is set by people who have done it for so long. From the days of the Cold War, US foreign policy people don't know nothing else but the Neo-Con philosophy. Right now you take the Neo-Liberalism of corporations, (Globalism) and you mix it with the Neo-Conservative view on foreign policy (preemptive strike for US agenda) and you have a government ran by corporate sponsors who will stop at nothing for the betterment of a few. The two party system was broke ALONG time ago. I personally always wished we have at least 4 viable parties. Hell, lets call it what it is, just unite the Dems and the Reps, get the Libertarians and the Greens as other parties and have 3 real parties.
But it's not a matter of parties that will help our system. The real problem is the money, and the fact that our government exist for the purpose of United States interest. And United States interest is to prop up corporations. It's a very Fascist system in which parts of Socialism are used to appease the majority of people. So well the US is spending literally trillions of dollars on wars so that corporations can have resources, they are giving out millions in benefits which they then call "entitlements" and then blame you for taking those benefits and draining our budget. So what we have done is set up a system which corporations expect to be subsidized, at the cost of the general public who is doing the subsidizing. I don't care if you have 2, 3, 5, or 10 parties. If this is your model of government, then you'll continue to have the same thing.
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The entire political system is rigged. Bought and paid for a long time ago. You think Ron Paul is a saviour?
Pauls position is simple. His placement in politics is to carry out 2 things - 1) Provide a voice for those who don't feel represented by ANY of the main 2 candidates, which diminishes the potential of resistance and protest. It returns doubters back to the political farce and 2) Allows the ptb to gather up a database of potential resistance and trouble for the future.
Most who believe in Ron Paul were the same ones who believed in Obama at the start. They haven't quite figured it out
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i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given
you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.
Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.
so why did u vote for him twice?
Because Jill Stein wasn't the answer for the Green Party. And at the time, Obama had NOT gone into Syria for 1 and a half years after the country went to shit. So I thought, why not vote for him again, he isn't going to war with Syria and he's progressive ENOUGH. Less that one year later, we are still at wait and see with Obama. He gave one small hope, but the rest is just shit. He said we aren't the World Police, but then he left the door open to play police. ::)
lmao.....wait n see with obama? i think its safe to say he put all his cards on the table now.
ppl like u shouldnt be allowed to vote.
I was talking more on Syria. Right now that's the main thing I'm looking at. Obama already failed with the NSA. He has failed what I'll call the Bush test. Will liberals get mad if Bush did something like the NSA, yes. So if that's the case, then they should get mad at Obama for doing the same thing. That's already a fail in my books. I'm sitting back right now and watching how he handles Syria. That's my wait and see. This is basically, is Obama a complete fuck up, or just a fuck up.
I voted for him the first time around. I was only 19 at the time and was pretty un-educated on the entire thing. I did realize that at the end of the day he was another politician but completely underestimated how slimy the bastard actually is. What gets me the most is how he campaigned on how horrible Bush's foreign policy was and he's pulling the same BS. Not to mention all the spying, financial stuff, etc. I can't stand all the people that were at Bush's throat for all the awful shit he did but are completely ignorant to the fact that this piece of shit is cut from the same cloth. Just makes me sick to see all the young stupid people my age that hated Bush and refuse to hold Obama accountable. It's obviously worth mentioning that the two-party system as a whole is broken, just the inconsistency of so many people is what irritates me the most.
The US foreign policy is set by people who have done it for so long. From the days of the Cold War, US foreign policy people don't know nothing else but the Neo-Con philosophy. Right now you take the Neo-Liberalism of corporations, (Globalism) and you mix it with the Neo-Conservative view on foreign policy (preemptive strike for US agenda) and you have a government ran by corporate sponsors who will stop at nothing for the betterment of a few. The two party system was broke ALONG time ago. I personally always wished we have at least 4 viable parties. Hell, lets call it what it is, just unite the Dems and the Reps, get the Libertarians and the Greens as other parties and have 3 real parties.
But it's not a matter of parties that will help our system. The real problem is the money, and the fact that our government exist for the purpose of United States interest. And United States interest is to prop up corporations. It's a very Fascist system in which parts of Socialism are used to appease the majority of people. So well the US is spending literally trillions of dollars on wars so that corporations can have resources, they are giving out millions in benefits which they then call "entitlements" and then blame you for taking those benefits and draining our budget. So what we have done is set up a system which corporations expect to be subsidized, at the cost of the general public who is doing the subsidizing. I don't care if you have 2, 3, 5, or 10 parties. If this is your model of government, then you'll continue to have the same thing.
lol I was just imagining the sad faces of the students when you're telling them the truth about the political system. :D
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It's more like, they tried to explain why that's not right but they mainly look confused. I was explaining the Prison Industrial Complex to them and they were so angry, but they ended up going in this idealistic rant on why that's not right instead of trying to figure out how to solve the problem. But if you just hear about something, you need to process it before you can act. My job is to plant the seeds.
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i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given
you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.
Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.
so why did u vote for him twice?
Because Jill Stein wasn't the answer for the Green Party. And at the time, Obama had NOT gone into Syria for 1 and a half years after the country went to shit. So I thought, why not vote for him again, he isn't going to war with Syria and he's progressive ENOUGH. Less that one year later, we are still at wait and see with Obama. He gave one small hope, but the rest is just shit. He said we aren't the World Police, but then he left the door open to play police. ::)
lmao.....wait n see with obama? i think its safe to say he put all his cards on the table now.
ppl like u shouldnt be allowed to vote.
I was talking more on Syria. Right now that's the main thing I'm looking at. Obama already failed with the NSA. He has failed what I'll call the Bush test. Will liberals get mad if Bush did something like the NSA, yes. So if that's the case, then they should get mad at Obama for doing the same thing. That's already a fail in my books. I'm sitting back right now and watching how he handles Syria. That's my wait and see. This is basically, is Obama a complete fuck up, or just a fuck up.
i can respect that. except i think obama is a complete fuck up. he hasnt fulfilled any of the things he promised.
transparent govt my ass
obama care, thought it passed, is nothing like the originaly idea proposed.
ppl crediting him for ending iraq dont know that iraq had an expiraiton date and obama just carried out bush's orders
gitmo is still in full force
that bill that finds the military 9cant remember the name) that obama passed with additional clauses stating that america can basically be considered a battle field. it didnt get passed for 2013 but the fact that he signed off on it for a year is disgusting.
ya boy has went above and byond when it comes to fuckin up. syaria dont really make much difference.
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WHY DO PEOPLE STILL THINK MDOGG WAS A TEACHER?
HE WAS A TUTOR.. SAID IT HIMSELF. BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TUTOR AND A TEACHER LOL
AS FOR POLITICS, I DONT GIVE A SHIT, IT'S ALL RIGGED EVIL
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WHY DO PEOPLE STILL THINK MDOGG WAS A TEACHER?
HE WAS A TUTOR.. SAID IT HIMSELF. BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TUTOR AND A TEACHER LOL
AS FOR POLITICS, I DONT GIVE A SHIT, IT'S ALL RIGGED EVIL
Hey, someone remembers.... :D
Right now I work in a student life office as an advisor. It's whatever, people just assume everyone in education is a teacher.
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Of course Obama didn't keep his promises. He is simply a spokesperson and his job is to be the face of leadership - Not to be leadership
The sooner people realise that government (in the conventional sense) doesn't really exist the easier it will be to understand. The United States of America was bought and paid for a very long time ago, and simply has owners. The land and it's people are THEIR property. They own it all - The political system, The media, The justice system. New legislation is created by these wealthy "owners" of the US, and it's the "salesmans" (Obama's) job to sell it to the public, or whoever is the new salesman. Bush done a terrible job, but was under tremendous pressure to sell several wars (hard for anyone to do) and it allowed people to see cracks in the system, so they simply threw a black man out there to sway any public doubt in the traditionalist way politics is carried out and to restore faith and hope.... And guess what? It's worked ;) Now that people see the system as a fraud, they throw in rouge candidates such as Ron Paul to keep people in the voting mentality rather than the revolting mentality. They haven't taken the guns off the people yet so they cannot afford for this to happen.
There is no government - Simply corporations masquerading as government, and they are very good at manipulation. They can control what we see and read, what laws (Statutory Acts pretending to be valid law) we abide by. They can distract so well that the majority never find out the truth and rally behind this theatre every 4 years like idiots. Backed by THEIR media that they own.
How do they get us to do this? Because surely it's unlawful? It is, but not if we contract and legally agree to be bound to such terms. We do this by creating a birth contract with our owners to give them the permission to "own" us (like livestock) This is done through the birth certificate at a very early age.
This is what enables them to keep on owning us generation after generation and getting away with this
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I'll defend him as a person...
-He's a figurehead. He can only do so much. He's presented himself very respectably, both at home and to the rest of the world.
-He's got swag.
-His father was a Muslim
-HIs father was an African
-He grew up in Indonesia
-He used to blaze trees
-He can ball
-He has raised very lovely children
-He takes good care of himself and his health
-He doesn't use the word "terrorist" in every sentence like Bush did.
-He's tried to diminish a lot of the hate and fear mongering, with Muslims being the usual target.
-He is cool with the Pres from Turkey, Erdogan
-He gives dap to janitors and other workers around the white house that others ignore
-He delivers a good speach
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He is worse than Bush, more of a snake than Bush. A figurehead yes and even more treasonous than Bush.
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I'll defend him as a person...
-He's a figurehead. He can only do so much. He's presented himself very respectably, both at home and to the rest of the world.
-He's got swag.
-His father was a Muslim
-HIs father was an African
-He grew up in Indonesia
-He used to blaze trees
-He can ball
-He has raised very lovely children
-He takes good care of himself and his health
-He doesn't use the word "terrorist" in every sentence like Bush did.
-He's tried to diminish a lot of the hate and fear mongering, with Muslims being the usual target.
-He is cool with the Pres from Turkey, Erdogan
-He gives dap to janitors and other workers around the white house that others ignore
-He delivers a good speach
Ouch. You're on a roll.
Support of the corrupt political system...... Check
Promoting credit cards and corrupt financial institutions....... Check
pertaining to have an unfamiliarity of insurances..... Check
No interest in true life skills and the deriding of them.... Check
and now:
Praising Obama :-X
This section of the forum certainly isn't for you. But this T-shirt certainly is
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He is worse than Bush, more of a snake than Bush. A figurehead yes and even more treasonous than Bush.
Because he is smarter than Bush and he is more aware of what he does that Bush was. When Bush was president, it became clear he was only a figurehead. Obama, you want to say he is a figurehead, but he is actually smart enough and strategic enough to pull all of this off on his own. You just don't know.
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i disagree with a bunch of bush's ideas and phiosophies, but mind u that muhfucka never switched positions after he got in office like obama did.
with bush u knew what u were in store for. he told u before hand that he was gonna fuck you.. obama acted like he was gonna fix shit if he wont and knew damn well those werent his intentions.
thats why i got more respect for bush than i do obama.
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Obama is doin' a better job than what bush was doin'. way better. free the hate from your heart fellas.
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how can he be doin better when hes doin the same thing. hes just more articulate which makes it easier for him to hide shit.
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He is worse than Bush, more of a snake than Bush. A figurehead yes and even more treasonous than Bush.
Because he is smarter than Bush and he is more aware of what he does that Bush was. When Bush was president, it became clear he was only a figurehead. Obama, you want to say he is a figurehead, but he is actually smart enough and strategic enough to pull all of this off on his own. You just don't know.
Lmao that dufus is a bigger idiot than Bush. O can't speak without teleprompters. He has no understanding of what's going on, no opinion. If you think he has one ounce of say in any decisions then you're sorely deluded. Everything he says and does is dictated by the script he is given.
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Obama is doin' a better job than what bush was doin'. way better. free the hate from your heart fellas.
He's a complete psychopath and sociopath. He has the blood of probably a million deaths on his hands. He has expanded every policy that Bush had started. Him and Bush are cut from the exact same cloth.
Don't give him a pass because his skin is tan.
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No president has any real power. Sure, they have decision making abilities and could change things, but any attempt to be and act like a true president to the people will result in grave consequences. Just ask JFK; the last true president of the US, that, unlike others, had tried to break free of the chains once in power and to get rid of the puppeteers. Publicly assassinating a top political figure was a wake up call for any upcoming presidential candidate. "Say what you like, but once in power, do as we say"
Why ruffle up feathers when you are paid handsomely and looked after very well for your duty?
I've watched speeches carried out by genuine people in love with their topic of discussion and are fully able to carry out an articulated well rounded speech without the use of cards or a teleprompter.
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Obama is doin' a better job than what bush was doin'. way better. free the hate from your heart fellas.
He's a complete psychopath and sociopath. He has the blood of probably a million deaths on his hands. He has expanded every policy that Bush had started. Him and Bush are cut from the exact same cloth.
Don't give him a pass because his skin is tan.
CM how can you dispute any of that?
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Obama is doin' a better job than what bush was doin'. way better. free the hate from your heart fellas.
He's a complete psychopath and sociopath. He has the blood of probably a million deaths on his hands. He has expanded every policy that Bush had started. Him and Bush are cut from the exact same cloth.
Don't give him a pass because his skin is tan.
Bingo.
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Obama's only crime is announcing his masters policies. To believe it's HIM expanding BUSH'S policy's is ridiculous
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Obama's only crime is announcing his masters policies. To believe it's HIM expanding BUSH'S policy's is ridiculous
The point is that they are no different. They are both puppets. The only people that think O is different than Bush are those that are ill informed, and likely racist.
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Obama is doin' a better job than what bush was doin'. way better. free the hate from your heart fellas.
He's a complete psychopath and sociopath. He has the blood of probably a million deaths on his hands. He has expanded every policy that Bush had started. Him and Bush are cut from the exact same cloth.
Don't give him a pass because his skin is tan.
I agree, and they are literally cut from the same cloth! They are blood related, like most of the US Presidents who are also blood related to Royalty & Aristocrats from Europe!
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I'll defend him as a person...
-He's a figurehead. He can only do so much. He's presented himself very respectably, both at home and to the rest of the world.
-He's got swag.
-His father was a Muslim
-HIs father was an African
-He grew up in Indonesia
-He used to blaze trees
-He can ball
-He has raised very lovely children
-He takes good care of himself and his health
-He doesn't use the word "terrorist" in every sentence like Bush did.
-He's tried to diminish a lot of the hate and fear mongering, with Muslims being the usual target.
-He is cool with the Pres from Turkey, Erdogan
-He gives dap to janitors and other workers around the white house that others ignore
-He delivers a good speach
Aside from raising kids, and taking care of his health, none of what you listed necessarily makes him a good person. And while he has reduced fear mongering against Muslims (I guess), he has increased fear mongering elsewhere.
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He hasn't reduced the fear. Just look at the false flag Boston Bombing he promoted. Anyone even visiting the middle east is obviously going to come back radicalised and terrorist-minded with a hunger for destruction.
The fake school shooting - Again, another thing he promoted with his fake tears to try and make America give up it's guns so he can sell his masters "military" policing agenda under the guise of 'extra' protection to fill the loophole left by absent gun ownership. Where have we heard that one before?
He has created more fear around the world than that other puppet Bush ever did. Promoting and selling the bombing of 5 countries, and brushing up the borderline WW3 scenario.