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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Kal EL on November 21, 2005, 09:28:16 AM
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Saudi Teacher Sentenced to 750 Lashes
By TAREK AL-ISSAWI, Associated Press Writer
Thursday, November 17, 2005
(11-17) 09:10 PST DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) --
A Saudi high-school chemistry teacher accused of discussing religion with his students has been sentenced to 750 lashes and 40 months in prison for blasphemy, officials said Thursday.
The court ruling was condemned by human rights activists, who said Mohammed Salamah al-Harbi was being imprisoned for having an "open discussion" with students.
Al-Harbi was convicted of questioning and ridiculing Islam, discussing the Bible and defending Jews, judicial officials said Thursday on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media.
Prosecutors acted after a complaint by students and al-Harbi's fellow teachers, officials said. The court in the northern province of al-Qassim heard the case Saturday in a six-hour trial.
Al-Harbi was in prison Thursday, but the Saudi newspaper Al-Madinah reported him as saying he would appeal the verdict.
"There are charges that the judge read which are unknown to me, such as defending Jews and the Bible, ridiculing Islam and witchcraft. It's strange that the judge ruled so quickly and wanted to end the case so fast," al-Harbi was quoted as saying.
His lawyer, Abdul Rahman al-Lahem, refused to talk to The Associated Press because of the sensitivity of the case, but he was quoted as telling Al-Madinah the judge refused his request to postpone the trial to allow time for a proper defense.
"The judge's refusal to read a statement by witnesses is a violation of the defendant's rights," al-Lahem was quoted as saying in Sunday's edition.
New York-based Human Rights Watch said al-Harbi had been "talking to his pupils about his views on a number of current topics, such as Christianity, Judaism and the causes of terrorism."
"The Saudi government is imprisoning schoolteachers for having open discussions with their students," said Sarah Leah Whitson, the group's Middle East director said in a statement Thursday. "As long as schoolteachers face persecution for doing their job, Saudi children will lose out."
Al-Harbi's sentence likely will be seen as a setback to Saudi moves to reform its education system. Following the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States, the government altered the school curriculum to remove passages from textbooks that were offensive to Christians and Jews in an attempt to encourage moderation and tolerance.
Fifteen of the 19 hijackers in those attacks were Saudis. Local intellectuals and newspaper columnists said the strict Islamic tenets followed in schools and mosques could have played a role in fostering Islamic militancy.
this ain't right. that's all I will say.
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Liberate Saudi Arabia...?
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I just hope he got some pain killers.
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I just hope he got some pain killers.
A Muslim complimenting Jews and discussing the Christian bible in Saudi Arabia?
I am suprised he wasn't publically executed. He may have gotten off lucky.
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I just hope he got some pain killers.
A Muslim complimenting Jews and discussing the Christian bible in Saudi Arabia?
I am suprised he wasn't publically executed. He may have gotten off lucky.
You should've been aborted.
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I just hope he got some pain killers.
A Muslim complimenting Jews and discussing the Christian bible in Saudi Arabia?
I am suprised he wasn't publically executed. He may have gotten off lucky.
You should've been aborted.
Why not just kill his mom :D
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I just hope he got some pain killers.
lol yeah no shit
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Why not just kill his mom :D
Too late... she already gave birth to this waste of human life... Pollacks usually die as a result of their stupidity...
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I just hope he got some pain killers.
A Muslim complimenting Jews and discussing the Christian bible in Saudi Arabia?
I am suprised he wasn't publically executed. He may have gotten off lucky.
Blaaaaa blaaaaaaaaa blaaaaaaaaa man shut the fuck up ,you never lived in saudi,so u don't know shit
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Blaaaaa blaaaaaaaaa blaaaaaaaaa man shut the fuck up ,you never lived in saudi,so u don't know shit
I know that Saudi Arabia is the most racist, intolerant, bigoted country in the world.
Muslim countries could learn alot about tolerance and diversity from Christian nations.
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thank you, la riots,paris riots show your piont exactly.
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Blaaaaa blaaaaaaaaa blaaaaaaaaa man shut the fuck up ,you never lived in saudi,so u don't know shit
I know that Saudi Arabia is the most racist, intolerant, bigoted country in the world.
Muslim countries could learn alot about tolerance and diversity from Christian nations.
You piece of shit, you can't support all your claims without being there and experiencing it for yourself. People in Arabia could be saying the same shit about America right now, and they would be dumbfucks just like you're useless ass. Your mother should've swallowed you.
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You piece of shit, you can't support all your claims without being there and experiencing it for yourself. People in Arabia could be saying the same shit about America right now, and they would be dumbfucks just like you're useless ass. Your mother should've swallowed you.
You need to educate yourself you stupid motherfucker. In Saudi Arabia there is no freedom of religion. Wahhabi Islam is the only religion allowed. Christians, Hindus, or followers of any other religion are not allowed to practice their faith. IT IS ILLEGAL. Only Muslims can become citizens in saudi Arabia. Non Muslims aren't even allowed to ENTER the city of Mecca.
I can't believe Islamic bigots like Kaseem and Sephyr are defending the disgusting racism and bigotry in Saudi Arabia. And yet people on the board call me racist. Tht is like me defending apartheid in South Africa or something.
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You piece of shit, you can't support all your claims without being there and experiencing it for yourself. People in Arabia could be saying the same shit about America right now, and they would be dumbfucks just like you're useless ass. Your mother should've swallowed you.
You need to educate yourself you stupid motherfucker. In Saudi Arabia there is no freedom of religion. Wahhabi Islam is the only religion allowed. Christians, Hindus, or followers of any other religion are not allowed to practice their faith. IT IS ILLEGAL. Only Muslims can become citizens in saudi Arabia. Non Muslims aren't even allowed to ENTER the city of Mecca.
I can't believe Islamic bigots like Kaseem and Sephyr are defending the disgusting racism and bigotry in Saudi Arabia. And yet people on the board call me racist.
Blame the government not the people you bitch, and where was I talking about religion? I'm talking about your dumbass claim about the racism? You shouldn't be talking when you're the racist and everyone here knows it
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Blame the government not the people you bitch, and where was I talking about religion? I'm talking about your dumbass claim about the racism? You shouldn't be talking when you're the racist and everyone here knows it
Why are Muslims so intolerant towards other religions? Why can't they just allow freedom to everyone the way us Christians do?
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Why are Muslims so intolerant towards other religions? Why can't they just allow freedom to everyone the way us Christians do?
Ok, I don't want to start an argument here but if you think that the muslim religion is all about wars and killing innocent people is BS, the real meaning of muslim is peacemaker, so dont get it twisted man..if you look at both religions, they have a lot in common...and if you were a real christian you would know that God would frown upon you judging all these religions and cultures and preaching hate towards them...
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Crusades, genocide of Native American population, etc...
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that died out a long time ago homey, people over there still lashin folks and blowing up temples, time to grow up.
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that died out a long time ago homey, people over there still lashin folks and blowing up temples, time to grow up.
"Christian nations" as the retard put it... are dropping bombs all over the world, killing innocent people...
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there has never really been a christian nation. there has been "lip service". but no nation has fully integrated what Christ taught. America allowed the disentegration of two peoples Christ wouldn't do that.
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Does the fact that Christians made crusades and killed innocent people make things in Saudi Arabia looks better? ::)
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Does the fact that Christians made crusades and killed innocent people make things in Saudi Arabia looks better? ::)
No you dipshit, but the RealPolack said that Muslims in general are intolerant, meaning it has to do with the religion... I just pointed out that I could make the same claim for Christians... a small group of extremists don't represent 1 billion people.
Anyways, you stick to your "I wish I was raped by Kobe" posts..
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hit close to home did he? truth hurts i guess
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So dissing me without a reason was your way to reply to my simple question? Mmmm.. I'll make it easier for you, but please no more average 12-years-old replies, i know you can make better ones if you want. Question: is it right or is it wrong what is happening in Saudi Arabia with Christians?
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So dissing me without a reason was your way to reply to my simple question? Mmmm.. I'll make it easier for you, but please no more average 12-years-old replies, i know you can make better ones if you want. Question: is it right or is it wrong what is happening in Saudi Arabia with Christians?
It's wrong. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, etc... all fucked up governments... but the U.S. government doesn't care... it only cares when it's Iraq, Iran, Syria.... think about why...
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It's so obvious, man. But since you're talking about the US Government, I'm sure you know how they're trying to make it looks like there's a Christians vs Muslims war going on. At every level, expecially culturally speaking. They're portraying you all like beasts who kills Christians in the name of your God and who doesn't respect other people's freedom. They're using those situations to make propaganda for themselves. They're creating monsters. I know that's wrong! But the only way to avoid it is to admit what is right and what is wrong, without increasing the hate between the two religions over nothing. If you admit that it's fucked up there in Saudi Arabia, i'll respect you. And nobody will have the rights to diss you all. Only morons/haters will, but just ignore them. And i'm sure you'll probably respect me if i admit other fucked up things done by Christians (and the list is very very long). That's IMO the right attitude to say "NO" to Bush's lies and to respect each others. I got nothing but love and respect for muslims, in general. But there in Saudi Arabia they should tolerate Christianity.
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Religion is for sheep - Christian or Muslim.
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Does the fact that Christians made crusades and killed innocent people make things in Saudi Arabia looks better? ::)
No you dipshit, but the RealPolack said that Muslims in general are intolerant, meaning it has to do with the religion... I just pointed out that I could make the same claim for Christians... a small group of extremists don't represent 1 billion people.
Saudi Arabia is a FREAKING COUNTRY, not a small group of extremists. Most Muslim governments are hostile and intolerant of non-Muslims. That is why the jewish and Christian populations in the Middle East have pretty much left and moved to countries like the US and in South America.
Muslims could learn alot about tolerance from Christians.
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Does the fact that Christians made crusades and killed innocent people make things in Saudi Arabia looks better? ::)
No you dipshit, but the RealPolack said that Muslims in general are intolerant, meaning it has to do with the religion... I just pointed out that I could make the same claim for Christians... a small group of extremists don't represent 1 billion people.
Saudi Arabia is a FREAKING COUNTRY, not a small group of extremists. Most Muslim governments are hostile and intolerant of non-Muslims. That is why the jewish and Christian populations in the Middle East have pretty much left and moved to countries like the US and in South America.
Muslims could learn alot about tolerance from Christians.
Yeah, it's a country... how many people run that country? Retard.
Go educate yourself about the emergence of Wahhabism, and how it even discriminates against other Muslims.
There are no Muslim governments. No country in the world is run by a truly Islamic government.
Muslims could learn about tolerance from Christians? LOLLL.. Crusades, Inquisition, holocaust, genocide of the Native American population, Hiroshima... I could go on forever... Polacks will be Polacks.
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It's wrong. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, etc... all fucked up governments...
So in your list of fucked up governments you arbitrarily name the only democratic one, BEFORE you name (say, uhmmm.... I don't know-) the Palestinian Autonomy or Syria?
Well aren't you the most non-brainwashed guy there is :D
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It's wrong. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, etc... all fucked up governments...
So in your list of fucked up governments you arbitrarily name the only democratic one, BEFORE you name (say, uhmmm.... I don't know-) the Palestinian Autonomy or Syria?
Well aren't you the most non-brainwashed guy there is :D
65 UN Resolutions.
Brainwashed? Coming from the guy who said that the "Land without a People for a People without a Land" was truly believed... LMAO.
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Does the fact that Christians made crusades and killed innocent people make things in Saudi Arabia looks better? ::)
No you dipshit, but the RealPolack said that Muslims in general are intolerant, meaning it has to do with the religion... I just pointed out that I could make the same claim for Christians... a small group of extremists don't represent 1 billion people.
Saudi Arabia is a FREAKING COUNTRY, not a small group of extremists. Most Muslim governments are hostile and intolerant of non-Muslims. That is why the jewish and Christian populations in the Middle East have pretty much left and moved to countries like the US and in South America.
Muslims could learn alot about tolerance from Christians.
The only reason why christians are starting to move out of the middle east is because america keep supporting the israelis and trying to occupy the middle east. Man you need to learn some history, the first arabs where christians and there are still great minorites of christians in egypt, jordan, syria and palestine. America need's to stop acting like some world police and let people handle themself. And before you say that all arabs are muslims think again
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It's been a long time, anyway what I think many people,Muslim and non-Muslim alike do is generalize. I think this argument has been echoed many times, don't blame the majority for what a minority do. I don't blame most Americans for what George Bush does, although I feel the people of the USA could do more to show their anger towards the government in charge. what has happened to the teacher, if true, is not right but none of us can change it, it is the law of the land, be it wrong or right we cannot make that distinction. Wahhabi'ism is a strict form of Islam but it has been distorted much further by the Saudi regime but you cannot now say "All Muslim's act like this". No one is perfect in this day and age and we should just accept what is going on and hope that the people who do this learn that it is wrong. Like this, we are going to be here forever, saying "Well you do this" etc etc.
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"Land without a People for a People without a Land"
Doesn't change the fact Israel is the only democratic state in the middle east.
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The only reason why christians are starting to move out of the middle east is because america keep supporting the israelis and trying to occupy the middle east. Man you need to learn some history, the first arabs where christians and there are still great minorites of christians in egypt, jordan, syria and palestine. America need's to stop acting like some world police and let people handle themself. And before you say that all arabs are muslims think again
I know that there are alot of Arab Christians. But the population of Christians is rapidly dwindling in the Middle east because the Christians are rapidly fleeing perseuction from Muslims. For example, in the US the majority of Arabs are Christian not Muslim. That is because they are trying to get the hell away from the Muslims.
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"Land without a People for a People without a Land"
Doesn't change the fact Israel is the only democratic state in the middle east.
LOLLLL that's what justifies its actions in your eyes? LOL amazing.
It also doesn't change the fact that European colonists (Zionist terrorists) came and took the land that people were already living on... and those people don't even have the universal human right to return to their homes. I don't care who does what in the name of democracy... if it's wrong, it's wrong.