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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Sikotic™ on December 17, 2004, 05:43:22 PM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041218/ap_on_re_us/muslims_civil_liberties
In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims
1 hour, 37 minutes ago
By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer
ITHACA, N.Y. - Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans, according to a nationwide poll.
The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or people who are less religious.
Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support limiting the rights of Muslim Americans.
"It's sad news. It's disturbing news. But it's not unpredictable," said Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society. "The nation is at war, even if it's not a traditional war. We just have to remain vigilant and continue to interface."
The survey found 44 percent favored at least some restrictions on the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said liberties should not be restricted in any way.
The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring all Muslim Americans to register where they lived with the federal government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep tabs on their activities and fund-raising.
Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.
James Shanahan, an associate professor of communications who helped organize the survey, said the results indicate "the need for continued dialogue about issues of civil liberties" in a time of war.
While researchers said they were not surprised by the overall level of support for curtailing civil liberties, they were startled by the correlation with religion and exposure to television news.
"We need to explore why these two very important channels of discourse may nurture fear rather than understanding," Shanahan said.
According to the survey, 37 percent believe a terrorist attack in the United States is still likely within the next 12 months. In a similar poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, that number stood at 90 percent.
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So? It's even worse there. Man there's a war going on.. it's normal! Wrong, but normal. You know what i mean?
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shut the fuck up antonio, were past WWII were not trying to make the same mistake as we did with the japanese americans, its about learning from our mistakes not making the same one over again. now i know this is not as drastic as that but it all leads to the same shit
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Props to Sikotic for having sympathy and posting this article.
I've been Muslim since about the time W. Bush was first inagurated into office, still, I've never faced any prejudice, and I even wear a thobe and a kufi a lot of the time. Still, that doesn't mean that many brothers and sisters in this country aren't feeling the heat.
The worst incident inside America, has been the treatment of Imam Jamil Abdulllah Al-Amin of Atlanta, Georgia. Federal agents have been after him ever since he was a 1960's revolutionary during the civil rights era. They've framed him for a crime he is innocent of, and they have even silenced him in prison because he is such a popular figure amongst black prisoners, that many became close followers of him. Nobody can even visit him in prison now except his wife, through a glass window. They've totally isolated him.
Most the victims though are foreigners. They usually leave the African American Muslims alone. There was one case of this white Muslim guy being acused of being involved in subversive activities in Spain, but he's a lawyer and he proved that he's never even been to Spain, nor does he know anyone there, nor has he ever sent money to anybody that lives there. He was cleared of all charges.
People need to stop watching the news and start understanding that the media and government manipulate people through fear. Bush used a fear campaign every step of the way to get back in the white house. He has a great interest in keeping the public in fear, without it, he is nothing.
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shut the fuck up antonio, were past WWII were not trying to make the same mistake as we did with the japanese americans, its about learning from our mistakes not making the same one over again. now i know this is not as drastic as that but it all leads to the same shit
So true. It's just plain foolish and simple minded to restrict the rights of Muslim citizens. There is a such thing as the Civil Rights Act and any restriction to anyone of race, religion, gender, etc. is illegal. So continue to dream ignorantly people.
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Just to let you know, i didnt say it's a good thing. I disagree. And here in Italy we dont have those problems. I wrote it's wrong, but i'm not surprised. And i wrote it's the same in "Islam" about americans..
shut the fuck up antonio, were past WWII were not trying to make the same mistake as we did with the japanese americans, its about learning from our mistakes not making the same one over again. now i know this is not as drastic as that but it all leads to the same shit
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How can this be, Land Of The Free, Home Of The Brave?
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^ indigenous Holocaust, and the home of the slaves ;)
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How can this be, Land Of The Free, Home Of The Brave?
Man PLEASE, stop disrespecting the United States everytimes, you look paranoid.
"Unity and right and freedom for the German fatherland;
Let us all pursue this purpose brotherly, with heart and hand.
Unity and right and freedom are the pledge of happiness.
Flourish in this blessing's glory, flourish, German fatherland."
This is your National Anthem. And you are the same ones of Nazism, Hitler and Holocaust.
Unity. ::)
Right. ;D (Nazi's..)
Freedom. :-X (ask half of Europe about it..)
With heart and hand. ;D (maybe just with hands..)
What if somebody says it to you?
I bet in 50 years the whole population of Germany went from Nazism to Love & Happiness. Congratulations. :-*
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Yup; talk shit about us and our history all the time, but the same time we were locking up the Japanese, you were gassing the Jews, so you have no legs to stand on. Plus, you invented porn where people eat each other's shit. Come on man.
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Plus, you invented porn where people eat each other's shit. Come on man.
lmao
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Yup; talk shit about us and our history all the time, but the same time we were locking up the Japanese, you were gassing the Jews, so you have no legs to stand on. Plus, you invented porn where people eat each other's shit. Come on man.
lmao on both counts
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hold on guys,I know muslims that want to hear about Jesus they just never have been told.
Not all Muslims are bad guys,Flesh Bone is a muslim and he is not bad he just happens to like guns(wink,lol)
Mabye Flesh was not the best example........
But I knwo Muslims that just make a living off of selling that delicious (I can't remember what that stuff is)But oh My it is good,and I love their insence
so I am like well I like Muslims,I think most of them that are not trying to kill America is just plain cool,and they should be left alone......
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hold on guys,I know muslims that want to hear about Jesus they just never have been told.
Not all Muslims are bad guys,Flesh Bone is a muslim and he is not bad he just happens to like guns(wink,lol)
Mabye Flesh was not the best example........
But I knwo Muslims that just make a living off of selling that delicious (I can't remember what that stuff is)But oh My it is good,and I love their insence
so I am like well I like Muslims,I think most of them that are not trying to kill America is just plain cool,and they should be left alone......
god your an idiot, for one, ,muslims believe in jesus, that he was a prophet,
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you don't get it,they believe in him but not all the way..........
ask them exactly what they believe and you will find out what I am talking about
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That he was a prophet. He already told you.
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^ thank you
and lol at they believe in him but not all the way..........
the fuck does that mean, lardass, you have your beliefs, they have theirs, theres no, 40% belief in jesus, dumbshit
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How can this be, Land Of The Free, Home Of The Brave?
Man PLEASE, stop disrespecting the United States everytimes, you look paranoid.
"Unity and right and freedom for the German fatherland;
Let us all pursue this purpose brotherly, with heart and hand.
Unity and right and freedom are the pledge of happiness.
Flourish in this blessing's glory, flourish, German fatherland."
This is your National Anthem. And you are the same ones of Nazism, Hitler and Holocaust.
Unity. ::)
Right. ;D (Nazi's..)
Freedom. :-X (ask half of Europe about it..)
With heart and hand. ;D (maybe just with hands..)
What if somebody says it to you?
I bet in 50 years the whole population of Germany went from Nazism to Love & Happiness. Congratulations. :-*
First how is me talking down the U.S. your business? The dick of Kobe in your mouth, isnt that enough? Are you now going for a whole nation's dick, or what?
Lol@dissing the German hymn ... no shit it's patriotic .. LOL.. which nation's hymn isnt?
Lol@calling the previous German population Nazis.. do you know what happened to people, who spoke out against Hitler? Do you know that Hitler was a dictator not to be fucked with? You know he killed Germans if they didnt like his actions and speeches, right?
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Man, relax. There's no need for you to continue to disrespect people. I was just joking. You always act like that. Now maybe you understand why people reacts to your posts and how stupid/boring they look. Out.
P.S. I'm Italian. I know it cause Hitler "went to school with" our Mussolini. So dont even start that shit.
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Man, relax. There's no need for you to continue to disrespect people. I was just joking. You always act like that. Now maybe you understand why people reacts to your posts and how stupid/boring they look. Out.
P.S. I'm Italian. I know it cause Hitler "went to school with" our Mussolini. So dont even start that shit.
LoL, I always understand why people react how the react to my posts. I know some ppl are pissed off hard. Why would I give a shit? It's me. If people can't deal with me, can't compete with me, they also can't achieve to beef with me. And everytime someones tries to step to me Im making that clear to everyone in here. In fact I don't think my posts look stupid and boring, I reckon they are awesome and genius. I love them, and I also rule.
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7 why don't you believe in God?
I mean do you have a personal reason that you do not believe in him and why man?
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7 why don't you believe in God?
I mean do you have a personal reason that you do not believe in him and why man?
Isn't it obvious? He's made a false god out of himself, look at that arrogance.
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Man, relax. There's no need for you to continue to disrespect people. I was just joking. You always act like that. Now maybe you understand why people reacts to your posts and how stupid/boring they look. Out.
P.S. I'm Italian. I know it cause Hitler "went to school with" our Mussolini. So dont even start that shit.
LoL, I always understand why people react how the react to my posts. I know some ppl are pissed off hard. Why would I give a shit? It's me. If people can't deal with me, can't compete with me, they also can't achieve to beef with me. And everytime someones tries to step to me Im making that clear to everyone in here. In fact I don't think my posts look stupid and boring, I reckon they are awesome and genius. I love them, and I also rule.
Ok.
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The only strange thing is how can a guy who talks like that be the only moderator for this board..
When i discuss something with you, i dont "fight". I just write a couple of things on my PC. Maybe that's the difference.
But it's ok, you're God, and you love your posts.. i got no problems with that.
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7 why don't you believe in God?
I mean do you have a personal reason that you do not believe in him and why man?
I could (and I already did, but in a different language) write thousands of words about this. I don't know where to start.
The only strange thing is how can a guy who talks like that be the only moderator for this board..
When i discuss something with you, i dont "fight". I just write a couple of things on my PC. Maybe that's the difference.
But it's ok, you're God, and you love your posts.. i got no problems with that.
It's hilarious how people always imply that I suck as a moderator. Unbelieveable. I'm an awesome moderator. I can't believe some people are so weird that they won't recognize it.
For instance, I never argue and close the thread to have the last word. Never.
I never close a thread that is dissing Germans, Me, or whoever.
I never insult people. I might son them a lot, and make them look stupid and all, but that's their fault then. I never insult people. Never.
Im always there to close stupid, unproductive threads that won't lead to anything.
Im always there when people ask for my help.
Sometimes it looks like people expect me to not express my thoughts in the train of thoughts because Im a moderator. That's some paradox way of thinking.
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Can the verb 'to son' be banned from this board, please?
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Can the verb 'to son' be banned from this board, please?
Won't help you, son. You'd be gettin' sonned nonetheless. No matter what term we use for it.
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The verb 'to son' is like the German name Gertrude. That's what I don't like about it :)
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7even has been a just moderator and ya'll know that. Ya'll need to get off his case, he's an independant thinker, and some of ya'll can't deal with that.
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How can this be, Land Of The Free, Home Of The Brave?
you're still mad about the german's have small dick study aren't you?
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hold on guys,I know muslims that want to hear about Jesus they just never have been told.
Not all Muslims are bad guys,Flesh Bone is a muslim and he is not bad he just happens to like guns(wink,lol)
Mabye Flesh was not the best example........
But I knwo Muslims that just make a living off of selling that delicious (I can't remember what that stuff is)But oh My it is good,and I love their insence
so I am like well I like Muslims,I think most of them that are not trying to kill America is just plain cool,and they should be left alone......
god your an idiot, for one, ,muslims believe in jesus, that he was a prophet,
Ask you average Muslim for a Jesus quote or something about him and you'll most likely get very uneducated answers. Most Muslims only read of Jesus from what it says in the Quran. It's almost impossible to find a Muslim who has read the gospel. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying muslims aren't generally exposed to the gospel. Not that it would make a difference. It may in the odd few but some of the evilist men in history were raised with exposure to the gospel, and some Popes weren't exactly the greatest human beings.
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7 why don't you believe in God?
I mean do you have a personal reason that you do not believe in him and why man?
i dont think it matters if he believes in god or not. you should worry about your own business not his.