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Source February 1994 Review
Snoop Doggy Dogg-Doggystyle (Death Row/Interscope)
Production: Dr. Dre
4 Mics
Snoop had a lot to live up to. Without asking him we all but crowned him king. “He was going to be the one,” we told ourselves. He was going to be the one to lead us out of the hip-hop wasteland. We placed a heavy weight upon his narrow shoulders, and not wanting to disrespect us, he accepted it. Quite a lot of pressure for a new artist. Quite a lot of pressure for a rookie album. It’s not his fault that the album took so long to come out. And it was us, not him, who demanded that Doggystyle embody and surpass the best elements of Paid in Full, Straight Outta Compton, Nation of Millions, Adventures of Slick Rick, Amerikkkas Most Wanted, Low End Theory, The Chronic, Three Feet High and Rising and Raising Hell. Last year we underestimated Dre and he surprised us. This year we were at the plate and looking for the change-up. We knew about Snoop’s vast rap potential, we knew what Dre’s music would probably sound like and we also knew that it would be harder to impress us this time around.
Doggystyle is only half the album we were expecting. The other half, the stuff that would have blown us away a year ago, now seems average by 1994 standards. Thankfully the album’s problems do not involve Snoop. Even with all the drama surrounding his personal life, he emerges as an MC who lives up to all of his advance hype. Whether he’s softly crooning his lyrics or throwing them down your throat NYC style, he still comes off as one of the best in the business. On tracks like “Gz and Hustla’s” and “The Shiznit” he lets you know that nothing has changed regarding his game: “To tell you the truth/ I swoop in the Coupe/ I used to sell loop/ I used to shoot hoop/ But now I make hits every single day/ With that nigga, the diggy-Dr. Dre/ So lay back in the cut or motherfucker you’ll get shot/ It’s Mr. 1-8-7 on an undercover cop.” Yep, the flow is still tight. Could the problem be in the music? No, not really. Dre’s brand of G-funk may be common now, but it is still painstakingly well-produced. True you get a little mad when he just replays and entire P-Funk riff or goes over the top with the synth wailing, but overall, the music is great to ride to (even though he cuts the tracks as soon as the lyrics finish). You just wish he would have upped the ante like he did on the unreleased original version of “Niggas Don’t Give a Fuck.” Or kept things at the musical level of “Gz and Hustlas,” “Gin and Juice” and “It Ain’t No Fun.” When you really look at it, the major flaws in this album lie in all the extra baggage it seems to carry.
You see, I was waiting for a Snoop solo album. What I got was a Death Row compilation with some guest appearances by Snoop. Don’t get me wrong, I love Daz and Korrupt, Rage, Nate Dogg, Warren G, RBX and Lil’ Malik to death, but I don’t need them cock-blocking my quality time with Snoop on every track. It was cool having all of those heads on Dre’s record because it showcased his skills as a part-time rapper and a full-time producer. But when you wait this long for a solo album, a solo album is what you expect. You don’t want skits that aren’t as good as last year’s. You don’t want a lot of previews of the next nigga’s album. You don’t want an endless number of posse cuts where Snoop barely kicks a verse and you definitely don’t want to wait until the third track to hear the man rhyme. And the shocker of all shockers, no cut with Dre. None of the magical chemistry and team work that made The Chronic such a success. Perhaps “Tha Next Episode” will show up as a b-side or something.
Other than that you can’t complain. You get what you need. From the elegant “Gz Up, Hoes Down” to the incredibly funky “Ain’t No Fun” (if this is the flavor of Warren G’s upcoming LP, put me on the waiting list now.) If “Murder Was the Case” is a stroke of near genius, then “Lodi Dodi” is an example of total genius. And the spooky “Gin and Juice”: nothing short of the quintessential Snoop performance.
All in all, the positives outweigh the negatives. And while I’m sure that they did the best they could, it must be remembered that it took Dre over two years to fine tune his album. Snoop had less time, they had to rush it out before Thanksgiving finished or not. We can only wonder what the outcome would have been if they had the time and peace of mind to refine Doggystyle into the classic it was meant to be? Hopefully they’ll get a chance to do it all over again.
review by Reginald C. Dennis
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lol
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reginald c dennis can lick my bozack
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Hmmm... seems like a pretty fair review to me. What's that about the unreleased version of Niggas Din't Give A Fuck though? What's the difference between that one and the version on Poetic Justice?
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Thanks... interesting read. To me, this seems like like a first listen review, so I can kinda understand the rating - Doggystyle takes you a few listens to fully appreciate its greatness. LOL, even I thought it was kinda average at first. But 4 mics is of course a big injustice - no wonder they revised their rating in their 150th issue. Peace :)
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Yeah, they did say in that 150th issue that they didn't know quite what they were smoking on when they reviewed that album.
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You see, I was waiting for a Snoop solo album. What I got was a Death Row compilation with some guest appearances by Snoop. Don’t get me wrong, I love Daz and Kurupt, Rage, Nate Dogg, Warren G, RBX and Lil’ Malik to death, but I don’t need them cock-blocking my quality time with Snoop on every track. It was cool having all of those heads on Dre’s record because it showcased his skills as a part-time rapper and a full-time producer. But when you wait this long for a solo album, a solo album is what you expect. You don’t want skits that aren’t as good as last year’s. You don’t want a lot of previews of the next nigga’s album. You don’t want an endless number of posse cuts where Snoop barely kicks a verse and you definitely don’t want to wait until the third track to hear the man rhyme. And the shocker of all shockers, no cut with Dre. None of the magical chemistry and team work that made The Chronic such a success. Perhaps “Tha Next Episode” will show up as a b-side or something.
This is a good paragraph. Although this album certainly deserves more than 4 Mics, the review is pretty good.
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Hmm...in a way I agree with certain aspects of the interview, but damn.................................this album is my FAVORITE OF ALL TIME...................is it even possible that it coulda been any better???
With all the guest spots, I see where dude is comin from, but at the same time, all the guest spots showed the artists in their top form. It may not have been an all solo album like Illmatic was, but at the same time, it didn't really matter because the guest spots only added to the greatness.
Damn tho if he had some cuts with Dre on there, and had more time to perfect it.......man this is about as close as an album could come to bein heavenly.
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this is def a 5 mic album, snoop has the most amazing flow, and dres beats match it perfectly, fuck source
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should have got 5
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Hmm...in a way I agree with certain aspects of the interview, but damn.................................this album is my FAVORITE OF ALL TIME...................is it even possible that it coulda been any better???
With all the guest spots, I see where dude is comin from, but at the same time, all the guest spots showed the artists in their top form. It may not have been an all solo album like Illmatic was, but at the same time, it didn't really matter because the guest spots only added to the greatness.
Damn tho if he had some cuts with Dre on there, and had more time to perfect it.......man this is about as close as an album could come to bein heavenly.
I agree, I can see where the author is coming from. It took a while for me to get into this album, it was ahead of it's time when it dropped. Musically, nothing like this had ever been attempted and Snoop's style was completely unique at the time. Of course now I can look back and marvel at how incredible this album is and it's an unquestionable classic in the eyes of any sane person but back then, I didn't see it right away. There are other classic albums that I didn't "get" right away, such as Low End Theory or Rhthmalism. It's one of the risks of doing something brand new and boy did it pay off for Dre, Snoop and company.
The thing is, you can listen to Doggystyle in 2005 and it does not sound dated at all. How many albums can you say that about that came out 11 years ago?
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doggystyle got a 4 mic rating?! lmao
source never gave dre's chronic a 5 either, they opted for a 4.5...
what the fuck were they thinkin!?
:o ??? >:(
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doggystyle got a 4 mic rating?! lmao
source never gave dre's chronic a 5 either, they opted for a 4.5...
what the fuck were they thinkin!?
:o ??? >:(
Didn't the source correct that also?
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If I had to pick just one album that showcases the absolute BEST in vocals and production, it's gotta be Doggystyle. I look at it like...Snoop at his best, Dogg Pound at their best, Nate, Warren, Rage...everyone performed their asses off. And Dre's classic beats sealed the deal. Best album ever, imo.
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should have got 5
fuck the source
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This review shows that the source (like many magazines) are on esatcoast mcs dicks and doesn't know shit when it comes to WC rap
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ye fuck the source.
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This review shows that the source (like many magazines) are on esatcoast mcs dicks and doesn't know shit when it comes to WC rap
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All the guest spots?
Gin and Juice - solo
Shiznit - solo
Lodi Dodi - solo
Murder Was the Case - solo
What's My Name - solo
Gz and Hustlas - solo
Gz Up Hoes Down - solo
And then apart from that, you've got a Rage track, a DPG track, and then guest verses on Serial Killa, Ain't No Fun, Doggy Dogg World and Pump Pump.
Sounds like they were looking for any excuse to cheat the West Coast out of 5 mics.
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fuk tha source, that album is a 5 mic aint no doubt bout that...tahs my favorite album of all time
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And the spooky “Gin and Juice” ???
Gin Juice = spooky wtf?? Thats a laid back party choon, G-Funk smoothness to the max.
Damn that guy must be a right scaredy cat thinking Gin n Juice is spooky, sheesh.
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this guy's just a hater who HAD to say something good about it cuz if he didn't he woulda been hung, he sure hated on a lot of shit in that review
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this album is and will always be a classic.
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Wack review, fuck the source...
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Wack review, fuck the source...
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All the guest spots?
Gin and Juice - solo
Shiznit - solo
Lodi Dodi - solo
Murder Was the Case - solo
What's My Name - solo
Gz and Hustlas - solo
Gz Up Hoes Down - solo
And then apart from that, you've got a Rage track, a DPG track, and then guest verses on Serial Killa, Ain't No Fun, Doggy Dogg World and Pump Pump.
Sounds like they were looking for any excuse to cheat the West Coast out of 5 mics.
That was what I was thinking. I could kind of see where the reviewer was coming from, but he overexaggerated the part about the guest appearances. In matter of fact I never had a problem with them and I believe it added to the greatness of doggystyle. I don't think doggystyle would have been the same if snoop went completely solo and I can't see how this album can possibly get any better(unless they added next episode and doggystyle). This album is one of the most undeniable 5 mic classics ever.
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what ya'll don,t understand is that in '94, it wasn't considered a classic already. albums that are considered classic immediatly are rare. I only see 2001..
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ye fuck the source.
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Yes, heh yeah no wonder why you west coasters never liked the Source. i don't see how one person can browse an album and do a credible review. I can just imagine the reviewer pre-judging the album:
''This can't be 5 Mics I don't care how good the songs are.''
But the Source has since re-done many album ratings
The SOURCE went back and gave Chronic, Doggystyle and Dre 2001 5 Mics.
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I remember a lot of reviews back then complained that the album was basically just a continuation of "The Chronic" and not much else. Back then, that actually seemed like a semi-valid complaint, I guess. But history has a tendency of proving people wrong, and I guess this dude couldn't have imagined that 13 years later, cats would still be bumping the hell outta this album. I mean, "Gin and Juice" is pretty much an immortal party joint.
The guest appearance complaint doesn't make sense to me, tho...I didn't think they were excessive, and the best thing is that they all make you realize how much better Snoop is in comparison.
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I remember a lot of reviews back then complained that the album was basically just a continuation of "The Chronic" and not much else. Back then, that actually seemed like a semi-valid complaint, I guess. But history has a tendency of proving people wrong, and I guess this dude couldn't have imagined that 13 years later, cats would still be bumping the hell outta this album. I mean, "Gin and Juice" is pretty much an immortal party joint.
The guest appearance complaint doesn't make sense to me, tho...I didn't think they were excessive, and the best thing is that they all make you realize how much better Snoop is in comparison.
HATERS and LOSERS
Shows they are REALLY clowns BOZOs