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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: Tharow4life on January 21, 2021, 03:05:25 AM
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Lots of re-issues
All albums to be added on all streaming platforms
Will be getting in contact with artists to find out their favourite unreleased song and then will release it on their respective birthdays
Wants artists and fans to let them know what songs to look for in the vault
In contact with EDI and possible Outlawz music to come
"Slap Back" is coming
Claims no songs will be altered or remixed only mastered
In talks to release an N'Matez album
In contact with Lady Of Rage and talks of a possible project
Focussing primarily on releasing one off singles from a variety of artists
(yooo, the clip im watching now is worth the download for sure lol start it at 10:50 the payoff is at 11:10 smh, he figures it out eventually but fuck that made me laugh)
Nate Dogg stuff in the vault, its release depends on how his family feels about it
Cassette and vinyl releases coming this year possibly CDs if the demand is there
Wants to "do right" by the artists and get them involved
Vows no new talent for 2021 only original artists
Looking at February to begin dropping singles
Will only release songs that are already mixed, any reels that need to be mixed down he says would have to be done by the artists involved
Sam Sneed slated to re-produce some of his old stuff which is apparently missing from the vaults and also to release some new stuff.
Mark Morrisons "Death Row" album is not happening
Wants to drop some "gangsta shit" every month specifically names Redrum 781 & Young Soldierz
In talks with J-Flexx
In talks with Daz to send him a list of tracks to look for
In possession of 2 completed OFTB albums
Willing to put out diss tracks as long as it wont hurt the feelings of the artists being dissed
Says no Aftershocc as that was after Death Row but im sure he thinks the person asking meant Aftermath
Left Eye tracks could be released if her family is cool with it
Would like Snoop to get involved if a possible Lost Session Vol 2 would be released
CPO Boss Hogg tracks left in the vault
In closing John Payne gives us his word and his integrity that they are going into the vault and releasing new music in 2021
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all positive until I read John Payne at the bottom lol
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im not optimistic about all these things, not sure if even one will see the light of the day.
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im not optimistic about all these things, not sure if even one will see the light of the day.
would be dope though if even a couple of them did
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Where is all this information coming from and who even has the rights to the music of Death Row Records at present? I’d love to see unreleased music come out but only if done properly.
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All I want is that N'Matez album to be released :o :o :o :o
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"Willing to put out diss tracks as long as it wont hurt the feelings of the artists being dissed."
^I Rebuke this! > :( lol
I want the oftb joints.
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Where is all this information coming from and who even has the rights to the music of Death Row Records at present? I’d love to see unreleased music come out but only if done properly.
Entertainment One (E1) owns Death Row and E1 is owned by Hasbro, the toy company.
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""Slap Back" is coming"
why lol ?? ???
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Sign me up for Lost Sessions 2 for sure.
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Believe it when i see it. So sick of talking. Talking from record companies talking from artists. Pictures of artists working together in the studio, but zero music. I’m done with the hype.
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Dope news.
Hopefully this inspires Dre/Jimmy.
We need them unreleased Aftermath LPs in Dre mastered quality. Especially a Dre/Ra (Dre prod, Ra Gangsta Lyrics) LP, as well as a Ra/Dre (Ra conscious lyrics/Dre prod) LP. From whats been published this was when we're both at their heights and with it not getting released the beginning of Dre falling off.
Just my Bigfooted opinion.
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Interesting, hope they drop the original Sam sneed album!
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Dope news.
Hopefully this inspires Dre/Jimmy.
We need them unreleased Aftermath LPs in Dre mastered quality. Especially a Dre/Ra (Dre prod, Ra Gangsta Lyrics) LP, as well as a Ra/Dre (Ra conscious lyrics/Dre prod) LP. From whats been published this was when we're both at their heights and with it not getting released the beginning of Dre falling off.
Just my Bigfooted opinion.
I never understood why they didn't release their stuff in this streaming era.
Collectively it would do millions of streams overnight.
It sounds like they have stuff from most of the top rappers in their primes.
Ive read so many times that such and such recorded 30, 50, 100 songs with Dre that never came out.
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So apparently John Payne did a live stream yesterday on Instagram about the 2021 plans for Deathrow. He had a bunch of guests including RBX and J. Flexx. I'll listen to it today while I'm working and try and take some notes for everyone.
Also, check out Daz's instagram. He's saying The N'Matez album should be coming out this year through N'Matez Records and Deathrow Records as a joint release.
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Dope news.
Hopefully this inspires Dre/Jimmy.
We need them unreleased Aftermath LPs in Dre mastered quality. Especially a Dre/Ra (Dre prod, Ra Gangsta Lyrics) LP, as well as a Ra/Dre (Ra conscious lyrics/Dre prod) LP. From whats been published this was when we're both at their heights and with it not getting released the beginning of Dre falling off.
Just my Bigfooted opinion.
We can all keep wishing this, but it's never going to happen. That's just not how Dr. Dre works.
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We can all keep wishing this, but it's never going to happen. That's just not how Dr. Dre works.
also, you can cut Jimmy out the equation as it's not really on him, he's not part of Interscope anymore so it's more on Dre and who's running Interscope now
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All right. Here are key notes from the John Payne live stream. In general, he seems serious and is working hard to get all artists on board and paid for their work and JP just seems like a real humble, kind dude. More details below.
So it seems like the 25 minute video on Instagram is just the last portion. That's the part I'm going to summarize:
JP is joined by RBX. N'Matez project to be released on DR. Talking this Monday (I assume to finalize details). According to RBX, all 4 members are eager and excited and Rage is the driving force. He, Kurupt, and Daz are following her lead. According to JP, it was Rage that reached out to him to co-release the project with Death Row. NOTE: Per Daz's instagram, the album will be released this year jointly on Deathrow/N'Matez Records. He and RBX reminisce a little. RBX leaves.
JP is joined by K-Dubb. He and JP have been together from back when DR was in the planning stages and called Future Shock Records. K-Dubb is currently producing a new artist named King Dope (@iamofficiallydope on social media). JP and KD will be talking more business today. K-Dubb and King Dope leave.
JP notes that Tha Realest, J. Flexx, and Big C-Style are on. JP tries to add Realest. Had connection issues. Realest couldn't join. While waiting, JP says he wants to release new and old music and he wants to make sure all artists from the past get the money that's owed to them. He knows there were some shady business in the early days, but he wants to put things right because he believes they're all a family.
Big C-Style joins. JP asks about BCS's current projects. According to BCS, he and Techniec are going to release a 19th St. Records Greatest Hits album. He's currently producing a new artist LA Bucc and working on a company with Tha Realest, The Last Circle. He just produced the new C-Bo and Dub-C single, Tonight We Enemies. Sends out a few RIPs to Bad Azz, Coco Loc, and others. Sends out prayers and blessings to Rage, Jewell, and Daz's mom (who's in home hospice care according to Daz's instagram). BCS leaves.
According to JP, they are all family and that's really the point of these live streams, which he wants to start doing once per month. He says the next one will be more organized now that they've worked out some of the kinks. There will be vault releases. There will be more artist interactions. But he's is focused on doing things right. People are going to get paid for their work. Right now, the focus is getting business end right in order to move forward. He mentions that Daz, Danny Boy, and DOC were on earlier.
JP was about to end the stream, when J. Flexx popped back up. Flexx joined the stream. JP asked him for a record he wants them to release from the vault. Flexx says he wants to release The Heist with Sam Sneed and Sharief, produced by Sam Sneed. He wants to release two he did with Kurupt, one produced by Sam Sneed and one produced by Kurupt himself. He also wants Kurupt and Jewell I Don't Gang Bang No More. He also mentioned Been Around the World with Danny Boy. Flexx says they were all so prolific and he's happy to see that hard work coming out finally. JP says he actually sent paperwork to Flexx and Sam Sneed yesterday to finalize the business and then they can start releasing music as soon as it's signed. Flexx gives JP credit and says he's doing good things. JP corrects him and say's WE'RE doing good things. JP says he couldn't do any of this by himself and says again that Deathrow is a family and it takes every member of that family to pull this together. Flexx leaves.
According to JP, he talked to Sam Sneed this past week and he's going to get him on the next live session, hopefully. JP expects to have a list of possible releases by the end of the month once all paperwork comes back. He wants to make sure there are no problems legally and that the artists and families are on board and getting paid. This is a big, long term project planned for more than just 2021 and it looks like they'll be releasing music for a long time. JP asks fans to keep contacting them if we find any problems on Spotify and other streaming services with any of the releases. JP thanks all the fans and artists. Stream ends.
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We can all keep wishing this, but it's never going to happen. That's just not how Dr. Dre works.
For real, I really think Dre suffers from some kind of obsessive-compulsive disorder. Nothing is ever perfect enough for him to release any of it.
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Hope they finally release the original Sam Sneed and don’t fuck it up like Wideawake did!
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JP is joined by RBX. N'Matez project to be released on DR. Talking this Monday (I assume to finalize details). According to RBX, all 4 members are eager and excited and Rage is the driving force. He, Kurupt, and Daz are following her lead. According to JP, it was Rage that reached out to him to co-release the project with Death Row. NOTE: Per Daz's instagram, the album will be released this year jointly on Deathrow/N'Matez Records.
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I cannot wait
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https://youtu.be/FblFwyS11p8
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Where does Suge stand in all of this?
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Where does Suge stand in all of this?
He's currently standing in jail. He has no ownership interest in DR after the bankruptcy.
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Pretty sure he has a stake in publishing. I read somewhere he owns the master's to the chronic as well as other albums.
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Death Row died once Dre left and 2 Pac was shot. It seemed like there wasn't enough talent left to carry the label. There were a couple of decent projects, but nothing spectacular.
They had some decent producers in Sam Sneed, Dj Quik, Daz (when he was co producing) etc., but the artists couldn't carry the label.
J-Flexx ? very respectable ghost writer, but not a spectacular artist
Realest? I admit I was never into his style, as it sounded to me that he was trying to be 2Pac, so maybe I missed out (did he have any decent songs?)
Danny Boy? decent hooks, but I can't name one solo song
I'm not saying that they were terrible, just that they didn't have the star power. I'm guessing that anything that was unreleased was unreleased for a reason.
Would love to be proved wrong though.
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Pretty sure he has a stake in publishing. I read somewhere he owns the master's to the chronic as well as other albums.
I really don't think so. Dr. Dre won a lawsuit against Wide Awake/Death Row back in 2015 over the rights to the Chronic. The judge declared that Wide Awake/Death Row had the rights to sell the album in cassette, vinyl, and CD formats without Dre's permission and without paying him royalties, BUT if Wide Awake/Death Row released it in digital formats, then Dre was entitled to 100% of the profits. So from that, it sounds like the master rights are divided between Death Row in physical media and Dr. Dre in digital downloads. Suge Knight had no ownership interest in Wide Awake and had no involvement in the lawsuit, because the 2006 Death Row bankruptcy and 2009 bankruptcy auction wiped out all of Suge Knight's ownership interest of Death Row. Source; me. I'm a bankruptcy attorney and have read up on the case. Furthermore, now that E1/Deathrow released the Chronic on streaming services on 4/20/20, I'm assuming they've come to some sort of agreement with Dre.
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I really don't think so. Dr. Dre won a lawsuit against Wide Awake/Death Row back in 2015 over the rights to the Chronic. The judge declared that Wide Awake/Death Row had the rights to sell the album in cassette, vinyl, and CD formats without Dre's permission and without paying him royalties, BUT if Wide Awake/Death Row released it in digital formats, then Dre was entitled to 100% of the profits. So from that, it sounds like the master rights are divided between Death Row in physical media and Dr. Dre in digital downloads. Suge Knight had no ownership interest in Wide Awake and had no involvement in the lawsuit, because the 2006 Death Row bankruptcy and 2009 bankruptcy auction wiped out all of Suge Knight's ownership interest of Death Row. Source; me. I'm a bankruptcy attorney and have read up on the case. Furthermore, now that E1/Deathrow released the Chronic on streaming services on 4/20/20, I'm assuming they've come to some sort of agreement with Dre.
So you're telling me that out of all of the DR music Suge isn't tied into any publishing at all? I can understand losing the rights to the master recordings but you're telling me bankruptcy trump's copyright law?
A little off topic but...
Do you know anything about a lifetime management agreement Suge is suppose to have with Dre?
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So you're telling me that out of all of the DR music Suge isn't tied into any publishing at all? I can understand losing the rights to the master recordings but you're telling me bankruptcy trump's copyright law?
A little off topic but...
Do you know anything about a lifetime management agreement Suge is suppose to have with Dre?
Yes, bankruptcy trumps copyright. Copyright is just another type of ownership, just like owning land, a car, a business, etc. When a company or a person files bankruptcy, what they're saying is "Judge, I don't have enough income to pay my debts, so please release me from paying those debts" and in exchange the judge says "Okay person or company, we can do that, but if you have assets that the court can sell to pay a portion of those debts, that's what we're going to do." Copyright ownership is just another asset the court can sell. I've actually had a few clients who had to disclose copyrights and in those cases, the court didn't sell the copyrights because they were basically worthless. In Death Row's case, the copyrights and masters were worth literally millions of dollars, which were then used to pay down portions of Death Row and Suge Knight's debts.
As to a lifetime management agreement, I've never heard that before, but I'm trying to read up on it now.
UPDATE: Okay, so Suge made a claim that Dre, in order to leave Death Row, agreed to turn over to Suge (a) his publishing and copyright to The Chronic, (b) his 50% ownership interest in Death Row, and (c) Dre agreed to a lifetime management fee of 30% of whatever he earned in the entertainment business. Suge made these claims in court during the 2016 wrongful death lawsuit from when he ran that guy over and killed him on the set of Straight Outta Compton. Suge was alleging Dre actually hired that dude to kill Suge in order to not pay Suge millions owed from the Apple Beats sale. Suge produced no evidence of any of this and the court dismissed his claim. He lost. Dre does not owe Suge any money. Suge does not have Dre tied to a lifetime management agreement. It was more Suge Knight bullshit.
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Thanks for the summary on the livestream.
Would love to have this all materialise.
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Yes, bankruptcy trumps copyright. Copyright is just another type of ownership, just like owning land, a car, a business, etc. When a company or a person files bankruptcy, what they're saying is "Judge, I don't have enough income to pay my debts, so please release me from paying those debts" and in exchange the judge says "Okay person or company, we can do that, but if you have assets that the court can sell to pay a portion of those debts, that's what we're going to do." Copyright ownership is just another asset the court can sell. I've actually had a few clients who had to disclose copyrights and in those cases, the court didn't sell the copyrights because they were basically worthless. In Death Row's case, the copyrights and masters were worth literally millions of dollars, which were then used to pay down portions of Death Row and Suge Knight's debts.
As to a lifetime management agreement, I've never heard that before, but I'm trying to read up on it now.
UPDATE: Okay, so Suge made a claim that Dre, in order to leave Death Row, agreed to turn over to Suge (a) his publishing and copyright to The Chronic, (b) his 50% ownership interest in Death Row, and (c) Dre agreed to a lifetime management fee of 30% of whatever he earned in the entertainment business. Suge made these claims in court during the 2016 wrongful death lawsuit from when he ran that guy over and killed him on the set of Straight Outta Compton. Suge was alleging Dre actually hired that dude to kill Suge in order to not pay Suge millions owed from the Apple Beats sale. Suge produced no evidence of any of this and the court dismissed his claim. He lost. Dre does not owe Suge any money. Suge does not have Dre tied to a lifetime management agreement. It was more Suge Knight bullshit.
Thanks for the response. As far as the last part goes... If Dre and Suge had a verbal agreement, wouldn't that be legally binding? If so, how could you say it's not true if it was a verbal agreement between two parties? Im glad you responded but you lost me with the Suge bs part + quick dismissal of something you just found out about. How do you know there isn't more to this that you don't know?
For the record, I'm not stating an opinion on this. I was under the impression that Suge still had interest in DR music. There was talk on the bomb1st YT channel that Snoop needed Suge to sign off on some of his music that Suge had a hand in for a movie Snoop wanted to do. I just want to make sure I'm not being lied to by any of the info I'm getting.
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One more thing. If the music was wrapped up in a LLC, could it be touched during a bankruptcy?
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Thanks for the response. As far as the last part goes... If Dre and Suge had a verbal agreement, wouldn't that be legally binding? If so, how could you say it's not true if it was a verbal agreement between two parties? Im glad you responded but you lost me with the Suge bs part + quick dismissal of something you just found out about. How do you know there isn't more to this that you don't know?
For the record, I'm not stating an opinion on this. I was under the impression that Suge still had interest in DR music. There was talk on the bomb1st YT channel that Snoop needed Suge to sign off on some of his music that Suge had a hand in for a movie Snoop wanted to do. I just want to make sure I'm not being lied to by any of the info I'm getting.
When I said it was bullshit, I was just summarizing what happened. He made a bunch of claims, produced no written contract or witnesses, and it was rightfully dismissed. Kind of like the bullshit claims Trump keeps making about fraudulent, stolen elections. Is it possible he had a verbal agreement with Dre? I suppose, but I don't think Suge would be silly enough to make a deal worth potentially millions over the course of decades without getting it in writing and getting Dre's signature.
Also, there's a thing called the statute of frauds that says for courts to enforce contracts that are longer than one year, they must be writing. Suge and more specifically his attorneys would have known better than to let Dre walk away on a hand shake deal under those terms knowing the bad blood between Dre and Suge and that it could go to court eventually.
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Fair enough. What about the llc thing?
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https://www.scribd.com/document/223605676/Dre-Deathrow
Page four and five talk about the chronic Master. That is coming from Dre's side. It mentions an oral agreement as well but not for management.
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another update
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMBUebfj1p_/
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fingers crossed for a sizeable chunk of Crooked I unreleased tracks 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Death Row Crook was the best Crook. Far superior MC in terms of absolutely everything that just sat on a shelf, shit on Beverly Hills then sat on a shelf again.
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Any word on Helter Skelter or Eargazm? Dunno how much was ever recorded for them but would be hella dope if something was released.
J-Flexx's LP could be dope (any info on producers? Sam Sneed, Dre, Daz or Quik or what?) , but more interested in Street Scholars in decent quality.
An RBX LP from this time could be cool too.
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all positive until I read John Payne at the bottom lol
im not optimistic about all these things, not sure if even one will see the light of the day.
It's kind of hard to be optimistic when u see John payne's name at the bottom listed.j/k
I watched some of the last ig video so sorry if this was addressed already. What about unreleased videos? Music, studio sessions, Interviews, behind the scenes etc . Also, what about other non DR artist who recorded for DR? (I know they r great questions.) It's been stated that Suge would tax artist by making them record a song for him while out in LA. With all of the talk of mary j being around for example, I know there has to be something recorded on her.
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Street Scholars isn't getting any better than the leaked original album (that coincidentally I sourced from Sneed).
The album is unfinished which is why some of the tracks were missing verses and DR don't have it. When he turned over that released album he'd only included a couple of tracks from the original album and censored some of the lyrics.
So I wouldn't get too excited for Sam Sneed!
I would however hope there's some Eargasm sessions, or maybe RBX Dre-produced tunes from the Chronic/Doggystyle era which are yet to come out. Obviously everyone wants Heltah Skeltah but that will never get an official release, same for Tha Next Episode.
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Street Scholars isn't getting any better than the leaked original album (that coincidentally I sourced from Sneed).
If that version gets properly mixed & mastered, I'll be pretty happy!
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Street Scholars isn't getting any better than the leaked original album (that coincidentally I sourced from Sneed).
The album is unfinished which is why some of the tracks were missing verses and DR don't have it. When he turned over that released album he'd only included a couple of tracks from the original album and censored some of the lyrics.
So I wouldn't get too excited for Sam Sneed!
I would however hope there's some Eargasm sessions, or maybe RBX Dre-produced tunes from the Chronic/Doggystyle era which are yet to come out. Obviously everyone wants Heltah Skeltah but that will never get an official release, same for Tha Next Episode.
"Helter Skelter" was never recorded. They only made a few songs.
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Any word on Helter Skelter or Eargazm? Dunno how much was ever recorded for them but would be hella dope if something was released.
J-Flexx's LP could be dope (any info on producers? Sam Sneed, Dre, Daz or Quik or what?) , but more interested in Street Scholars in decent quality.
An RBX LP from this time could be cool too.
Other than a J-Flexx LP, don't think there was enough material recorded for Eargasm, RBX, or Helter Skelter. Maybe a few tracks at the absolute most for each project.
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"Helter Skelter" was never recorded. They only made a few songs.
I think there's 4? Enough for an EP release anyway. But as I said sadly this won't happen.
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I think there were only some skeleton beats/reference tracks for Helter Skelter which The D.O.C. ripped off for his 2nd album release (also called Helter Skelter).
Dre got pissed at DOC for stealing the beats and that's why they had a falling out until they later reunited for Dre's 2001 album.
I don't think there will be much RBX material as I think RBX left Death Row in the early years (around 94 or 95?), and then released his album The RBX Files (which was really dope). I think Greg Royal produced a lot of that album so it had that early Death Row vibe. I think a lot of RBX's death row material was writing lyrics for Dre & Snoop.
I wonder how many unreleased Lady of Rage tracks there are. There were only very small hand songs I know of eg. 2PAc's Got my Mind Made up OG and It's On ft. Snoop. Other than that, I can't think of many other tracks.