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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Elano on January 08, 2009, 04:27:14 AM
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I know there are several l.a. folks in this forum,there was a discussion months ago between nik and others about if l.a. is a dogers or lakers town.....
Let's have a poll 8)
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Well, Lakers have had a more successful history and thus will probably always be the most popular franchise in LA history. But both teams are awesome as fuck.
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When the Dodger's are playing (Baseball season) it's Dodger town...
Right now It's all about the Lake Show, until/after Playoff's then it's back to the Blue gear. 8)
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I'd say Lakers. Even in the 90's, when I had this discussion, it was always tough, but I always felt LA was too much of a Laker town.
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It's hard to say...I've always said it was a Dodger town so I'ma stick to that.
I'm a die-hard fan of both teams though...
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It's hard to say...I've always said it was a Dodger town so I'ma stick to that.
I'm a die-hard fan of both teams though...
so Angels and Clippers got no love in l.a. i guess.....
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It's hard to say...I've always said it was a Dodger town so I'ma stick to that.
I'm a die-hard fan of both teams though...
so Angels and Clippers got no love in l.a. i guess.....
Clippers get some...fuck the Angels!
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When the Dodger's are playing (Baseball season) it's Dodger town...
Right now It's all about the Lake Show, until/after Playoff's then it's back to the Blue gear. 8)
that is about right. right now it's all about the lakers. But when the nba season is over it goes back to the dodgers. it just depends on what season.
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It's hard to say...I've always said it was a Dodger town so I'ma stick to that.
I'm a die-hard fan of both teams though...
so Angels and Clippers got no love in l.a. i guess.....
clippers fans are very rare, but you see them some how.
Angels....the only people that really like the angels are people from the IE, orange county and places north of LA like Valencia, Bakersfield, Delano, Tehachapi, ect.
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Lakers = best franchise in SPORTS history. I don't know shit about the Dodgers but that says it all.
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Lakers = best franchise in SPORTS history. I don't know shit about the Dodgers but that says it all.
dont the celtics have more titles? oh, and even though i hate em, the yankees are the best franchise...26 world titles aint no joke.
anyway, i say its as much a dodger town as a laker town...id agree with what was said above..durgin bbal season, its a laker town, during baseball season, its a dodger town.
angels aint even LA, so they dont count.
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Lakers = best franchise in SPORTS history. I don't know shit about the Dodgers but that says it all.
that's some George W Bush Logic right there.
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Lakers
baseball sucks 8)
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LOL...LA is clearly a Laker town. It's really not up for discussion. Lakers are the more popular team. Only die-hard Dodger fans will try to argue that.
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LOL...LA is clearly a Laker town. It's really not up for discussion. Lakers are the more popular team. Only die-hard Dodger fans will try to argue that.
you only say that cause the lakers have had more success recently...wait till the dodgers win the world series. :bandit:
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LOL...LA is clearly a Laker town. It's really not up for discussion. Lakers are the more popular team. Only die-hard Dodger fans will try to argue that.
you only say that cause the lakers have had more success recently...wait till the dodgers win the world series. :bandit:
Basketball is just a more popular sport overall. Dodgers are great, don't get me wrong...Lakers are just THAT MUCH greater.
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bball and football may be more popular, but in LA there are like a gazzilion mexicans/latinos who BLEED baseball. and most of em bleed dodger blue.
put it like this..if for whatever fucked up reason, one day, the lakers decide to move out of LA, there would be riots. if the dodgers move out of LA, there would be riots. if the clipps, or the kings, or whoever else plays here, moved..most people wouldnt care or wouldnt even notice.
both teams are beloved in LA, and both of em have done a shit load for the community. even though both didnt start out here, both franchises are as much a part of LA as hollywood....and theyll always be part of the great history (and future) of the great city of LA.
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LOL...LA is clearly a Laker town. It's really not up for discussion. Lakers are the more popular team. Only die-hard Dodger fans will try to argue that.
you only say that cause the lakers have had more success recently...wait till the dodgers win the world series. :bandit:
Basketball is just a more popular sport overall. Dodgers are great, don't get me wrong...Lakers are just THAT MUCH greater.
Baseballs revenue >>> Basketballs
Baseballs attendance >>> Basketballs
Baseballs television ratings >>> Basketballs
From a outsides perspective LA always seemed more of a Laker town than a Dodger town.
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^revenue can suck a nut, more people are interested in basketball than baseball out here in LA...all it takes to see that is common sense.
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^revenue can suck a nut, more people are interested in basketball than baseball out here in LA...all it takes to see that is common sense.
I am talking about all around. And basketball and baseball are business's so revenue is pretty much the most important thing. And if you aren't from LA how are you supposed to know that the Lakers run LA ? When Manny was a dodger that place was rocking. People were actually showing up on time to dodger games and staying for the whole thing.
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^revenue can suck a nut, more people are interested in basketball than baseball out here in LA...all it takes to see that is common sense.
I am talking about all around. And basketball and baseball are business's so revenue is pretty much the most important thing. And if you aren't from LA how are you supposed to know that the Lakers run LA ? When Manny was a dodger that place was rocking. People were actually showing up on time to dodger games and staying for the whole thing.
huh? i am from LA.
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im not froim LA but the Lakers GOTTA BE more talked about/buzzed
dodgers are in the Angels shadow
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dodgers are in the Angels shadow
LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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i say dodger wins
ima laker fan first off
lakers are more known for the sport but not more known around the world when its comes to colors IMO
but IMO dodger represents la the blue, and everyone reps that shit cuz its like the tittle
lakers are the tittle but not the color
they both dope tho
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i say dodger wins
ima laker fan first off
lakers are more known for the sport but not more known around the world when its comes to colors IMO
but IMO dodger represents la the blue, and everyone reps that shit cuz its like the tittle
lakers are the tittle but not the color
they both dope tho
i wouldnt say that its more of a dodger town, i would say that its as much a dodger town as it is a laker town.
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yeah I meant cats roc the dodger fitted more than lakers fitted IMO all over
i say dodger wins
ima laker fan first off
lakers are more known for the sport but not more known around the world when its comes to colors IMO
but IMO dodger represents la the blue, and everyone reps that shit cuz its like the tittle
lakers are the tittle but not the color
they both dope tho
i wouldnt say that its more of a dodger town, i would say that its as much a dodger town as it is a laker town.
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and both of em have done a shit load for the community.
for example ?
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well, off the top of my head:
the dodgers recently committed to building 50 youth baseball fields all over LA. the dodgers also have ThinkCure, which works with the Childrens Hospital of LA to cure cancer. they also have the Dodger Dream Foundation which takes current players, players of yesteryear and Dodger Legends to visit kids who are very sick. part of the DDF also includes PLAY BALL, which takes players to youth baseball and softball fields to give em tips, instructions, give-a-ways, and meet n greets.
the mccourts (owners of the dodgers) also set up "Team 42" Scholarship Program, which gives out $1M in scholarships every year. named after the jersey number of the great Jackie Robinson.
the lakers also do things i mentioned above...they have courts set up for the youth, they give out scholarships, they try and make sick kids happy. among other things.
both teams also participate in charity events and fundraisers on the regular.
not to mention, they both help out during the holidays, giving away food, serving food at homeless shelters and all that good stuff.
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It's hard to say...I've always said it was a Dodger town so I'ma stick to that.
I'm a die-hard fan of both teams though...
so Angels and Clippers got no love in l.a. i guess.....
clippers fans are very rare, but you see them some how.
Angels....the only people that really like the angels are people from the IE, orange county and places north of LA like Valencia, Bakersfield, Delano, Tehachapi, ect.
you might be right, I'm from the IE and it seems like at home, there are just as many Dodger fans as Angel fans, if not more Angel fans lately.
dodgers are in the Angels shadow
LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why you laugh, LA is surrounded by the IE, the OC and both places are big Angel areas. that would be in the shadows. LA still loves the Dodgers, but when talking about LA, you have to take greater LA to consideration and the OC and IE are in that area.
LOL...LA is clearly a Laker town. It's really not up for discussion. Lakers are the more popular team. Only die-hard Dodger fans will try to argue that.
you only say that cause the lakers have had more success recently...wait till the dodgers win the world series. :bandit:
Basketball is just a more popular sport overall. Dodgers are great, don't get me wrong...Lakers are just THAT MUCH greater.
Baseballs revenue >>> Basketballs
Baseballs attendance >>> Basketballs
Baseballs television ratings >>> Basketballs
From a outsides perspective LA always seemed more of a Laker town than a Dodger town.
That's because baseball stadiums hold 40,000-60,000 people and basketball holds 17,000. BUT, if the Lakers played in an area that sat 40,000-60,000, they'd sell out. Lets put it this way, they'd sell out Dodger stadium more often than the Dodgers.
Bottom line, LA is a basketball town. A highly diverse city, that has large urban areas, it's going to be more of a basketball town to begin with, throw in one of the most storied franchises that has only missed the playoffs 5 times in 49 years, then you have a very solid fan base. The Dodgers fans are more fair weathered, in that if the Dodgers struggle, the fans will stop going to games, not at a large pace, but enough to know the Dodgers are not doing well. The Lakers have only had 2 years missing the playoffs in my lifetime, and through both I've notices that fans still support the team, though after the Magic Johnson HIV news rocked the franchise for a couple of years. With the Dodgers, they miss the playoffs but fans will still go to games and support that team to the death, until it becomes evident that the playoffs will be missed yet again. The rise of the Angels have hurt the Dodgers with younger fans who want a team of their own, not their dad's teams. (true shit, I've seen lots of my cousins go to the Angels and talk shit to their dads when the Angels beat the Dodgers. It's almost like it's a form of rebellion... lol)
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well, off the top of my head:
the dodgers recently committed to building 50 youth baseball fields all over LA. the dodgers also have ThinkCure, which works with the Childrens Hospital of LA to cure cancer. they also have the Dodger Dream Foundation which takes current players, players of yesteryear and Dodger Legends to visit kids who are very sick. part of the DDF also includes PLAY BALL, which takes players to youth baseball and softball fields to give em tips, instructions, give-a-ways, and meet n greets.
the mccourts (owners of the dodgers) also set up "Team 42" Scholarship Program, which gives out $1M in scholarships every year. named after the jersey number of the great Jackie Robinson.
the lakers also do things i mentioned above...they have courts set up for the youth, they give out scholarships, they try and make sick kids happy. among other things.
both teams also participate in charity events and fundraisers on the regular.
not to mention, they both help out during the holidays, giving away food, serving food at homeless shelters and all that good stuff.
8)
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If we talk about their structures,imho the staples center can't fuck with the dodger stadium........the dodger stadium is in the heart of l.a. 8)
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well, off the top of my head:
the dodgers recently committed to building 50 youth baseball fields all over LA. the dodgers also have ThinkCure, which works with the Childrens Hospital of LA to cure cancer. they also have the Dodger Dream Foundation which takes current players, players of yesteryear and Dodger Legends to visit kids who are very sick. part of the DDF also includes PLAY BALL, which takes players to youth baseball and softball fields to give em tips, instructions, give-a-ways, and meet n greets.
the mccourts (owners of the dodgers) also set up "Team 42" Scholarship Program, which gives out $1M in scholarships every year. named after the jersey number of the great Jackie Robinson.
the lakers also do things i mentioned above...they have courts set up for the youth, they give out scholarships, they try and make sick kids happy. among other things.
both teams also participate in charity events and fundraisers on the regular.
not to mention, they both help out during the holidays, giving away food, serving food at homeless shelters and all that good stuff.
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you know what's funny, in the IE, I've seen the Angels do similar things, but I rearly see the Dodgers out here.
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all sports teams do charity work, it's in the clause to be in the league.
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all sports teams do charity work, it's in the clause to be in the league.
In MN, I really don't see the teams doing shit. Maybe the Twins, but not on the level I saw the Angels and Dodgers do.
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all sports teams do charity work, it's in the clause to be in the league.
In MN, I really don't see the teams doing shit. Maybe the Twins, but not on the level I saw the Angels and Dodgers do.
timberwolves are always doing shit, they have to or they wouldn't be in the NBA....or still be in MN.
also there might be more incentive for the dodger and angels to do stuff because there's more of a fan market and the tax write off is more beneficial out here in Cali.
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i'd like to know why the dodgers got more fans between the mexican/latinos in l.a....
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all sports teams do charity work, it's in the clause to be in the league.
In MN, I really don't see the teams doing shit. Maybe the Twins, but not on the level I saw the Angels and Dodgers do.
timberwolves are always doing shit, they have to or they wouldn't be in the NBA....or still be in MN.
also there might be more incentive for the dodger and angels to do stuff because there's more of a fan market and the tax write off is more beneficial out here in Cali.
yeah, of course, I'm talking about the Wild and Vikings, who have tons more fans than the post Garnett T-Wolves. You know the T-Wolves send people into stores now trying to give people tickets, buy one get one free... it's pretty crazy.
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Baseball must be hella big in the US if this is a legit question
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Baseball must be hella big in the US if this is a legit question
It is ... USA population seem to care a lot more about US foot and Baseball than B-Ball , at least when it comes down to the time allocated for each sport on the different (sport) channels
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Baseball must be hella big in the US if this is a legit question
it's not a legit question...Lakers are much bigger in LA. I dunno how the Dodger fans can even try to claim otherwise.
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i'd like to know why the dodgers got more fans between the mexican/latinos in l.a....
Mexicans love their baseball...
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i'd like to know why the dodgers got more fans between the mexican/latinos in l.a....
Mexicans love their baseball...
what do you mean ? ;D
you're not a dodger supporter ?
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i'd like to know why the dodgers got more fans between the mexican/latinos in l.a....
Mexicans love their baseball...
what do you mean ? ;D
you're not a dodger supporter ?
what does this have to do with what I just said? I root for the Dodgers...they're my home team.
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i'd like to know why the dodgers got more fans between the mexican/latinos in l.a....
Mexicans love their baseball...
what do you mean ? ;D
you're not a dodger supporter ?
what does this have to do with what I just said? I root for the Dodgers...they're my home team.
i've just asked 2 different questions
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Baseball must be hella big in the US if this is a legit question
it's not a legit question...Lakers are much bigger in LA. I dunno how the Dodger fans can even try to claim otherwise.
how do you figure?
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i'd like to know why the dodgers got more fans between the mexican/latinos in l.a....
because baseball is a sport where you don't have to be Slave-bred tall to be apart of. Mexicans/ Latinos aren't traditionally tall, we're traditionally stout and sturdy so we succeed as football players and baseball players. Also its a sport that you're brought up playing out here in cali in official leagues and schools more so than most other sports at all level, not just one or two like basketball and football.
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i'd like to know why the dodgers got more fans between the mexican/latinos in l.a....
because baseball is a sport where you don't have to be Slave-bred tall to be apart of. Mexicans/ Latinos aren't traditionally tall, we're traditionally stout and sturdy so we succeed as football players and baseball players. Also its a sport that you're brought up playing out here in cali in official leagues and schools more so than most other sports at all level, not just one or two like basketball and football.
hes not asking why they love baseball
hes asking why the Dodgers over hte Angels
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Baseball must be hella big in the US
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LOL welcome to 1910
baseball = "national pasttime" (but football seems to be more popular now)
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Baseball must be hella big in the US if this is a legit question
it's not a legit question...Lakers are much bigger in LA. I dunno how the Dodger fans can even try to claim otherwise.
how do you figure?
do you hear more people talking about the Lakers or Dodgers? do you see more people wearing Laker jerseys or Dodger jerseys? do you see more Laker flags or more Dodger flags? when you turn on KLAC, are they talking about the Lakers or the Dodgers? it's common sense, homie.
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Baseball must be hella big in the US if this is a legit question
it's not a legit question...Lakers are much bigger in LA. I dunno how the Dodger fans can even try to claim otherwise.
how do you figure?
do you hear more people talking about the Lakers or Dodgers? do you see more people wearing Laker jerseys or Dodger jerseys? do you see more Laker flags or more Dodger flags? when you turn on KLAC, are they talking about the Lakers or the Dodgers? it's common sense, homie.
wait'll they get Manny back lol
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Baseball must be hella big in the US if this is a legit question
it's not a legit question...Lakers are much bigger in LA. I dunno how the Dodger fans can even try to claim otherwise.
how do you figure?
do you hear more people talking about the Lakers or Dodgers? do you see more people wearing Laker jerseys or Dodger jerseys? do you see more Laker flags or more Dodger flags? when you turn on KLAC, are they talking about the Lakers or the Dodgers? it's common sense, homie.
LMAO..are you serious?
i wonder why klac talks about the lakers..hmm...maybe cause thats where they broadcast laker games?! LMAO
and i see a shit load of people wearing dodger shirts and what not. i wont even count the LA hats, but a shit load of people wear those too....and if they wanted, they could cop the lakers LA hat, the baby blue ones.
a SHIT LOAD of people have stickers and decals on their cars.
and why would people be talking about the lakers and not the dodgers...could it possibly be because the lakers are the most dominating team right now?! naaa...that couldnt be it
once basketball is over, and baseball season starts, everyone will be talking about the dodgers.
your arguments have no merit.
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LOL @ the KLAC point if thats true they paly Laker games then thats not a great argueing point
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Baseball must be hella big in the US if this is a legit question
it's not a legit question...Lakers are much bigger in LA. I dunno how the Dodger fans can even try to claim otherwise.
how do you figure?
do you hear more people talking about the Lakers or Dodgers? do you see more people wearing Laker jerseys or Dodger jerseys? do you see more Laker flags or more Dodger flags? when you turn on KLAC, are they talking about the Lakers or the Dodgers? it's common sense, homie.
LMAO..are you serious?
i wonder why klac talks about the lakers..hmm...maybe cause thats where they broadcast laker games?! LMAO
and i see a shit load of people wearing dodger shirts and what not. i wont even count the LA hats, but a shit load of people wear those too....and if they wanted, they could cop the lakers LA hat, the baby blue ones.
a SHIT LOAD of people have stickers and decals on their cars.
and why would people be talking about the lakers and not the dodgers...could it possibly be because the lakers are the most dominating team right now?! naaa...that couldnt be it
once basketball is over, and baseball season starts, everyone will be talking about the dodgers.
your arguments have no merit.
Lakers have always been more dominant...thats why it's CLEARLY a Laker town. get over it. LOL.
who cares what KLAC plays, they have sports talk shows that are broadcasted nationally, and callers don't give a shit about the Dodgers half as much as they care about the Lakers. That goes for all sports talk. Lakers are a hotter topic on the streets. Dodgers got the Latino community, but everybody else is talkin about the Lakers. keep your ears glued to the streets, homie...PeACe
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The thing is that the Latino community also are huge Laker fans.
Everyone, get over it, LA is a Laker town. People love the Dodgers, but the Lakers run LA. When is the last time you seen a ton of celebrities at Dodger games in the regular season. When the Lakers win, seriously, it's like some sort of peace time in LA, I remember after the 3 peat, going to see my girl out there and I was talking to every stranger, simply by wearing my Shaq jersey and people were talking about the Laker's title. I ain't never had that with the Dodgers.
People, face it, LA is the Laker's town, case close.
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Lakers are worlwide , 95% of the people outside USA have no idea who the fuck are the Dodgers... the blue caps is not an argument aswell .. I bet 80% of the people wearing it either don't know it is related to the Dodgers or even don't like Baseball .. you've got a shitload of dudes wearing those in Europe , I doubt they are Baseball fans
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Dodgers are big in L.A.
but not as big as the Lakers
baseball is a touchy thing with people, you either love it or hate it
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The thing is that the Latino community also are huge Laker fans.
When is the last time you seen a ton of celebrities at Dodger games in the regular season.
um..every game? niggas have season tickets, they just dont show em on TV. but what do celebrities have to do with anything?
yall keep thinking what yall want, but you will all see what im talking about when the dodgers with the WS this year with MANNYWOOD. :bandit:
*for the record, i never said the dodgers run LA, i just said that its AS MUCH a dodger town as it is a laker town.
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dodgers with the WS this year with MANNYWOOD
better hope the Giants don't sign him
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dodgers with the WS this year with MANNYWOOD
better hope the Giants don't sign him
na, they dont have the money. lol
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I'll tell you what, it will be hard for me to get excited about the Dodgers next year if they lose him to the Giants
I think of anybody replacing Manny and think instant bore-fest of a season, long and going nowhere like they were without him
I know he's not worth 5 years, but it makes me laugh when I hear that if he leaves, the Dodgers will somehow be better or the same
if you can give Schmidt, Pierre, Jones, etc. these retarded contracts, not to mention spending quite a lot for Casey Blake and Furcal
no way you can't pull off some kind of 3-year deal or something
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well right now there isnt a reason to offer anything better than the 2 years/45M they offered a couple months ago..giants will never even make an offer and then boras will realize he fucked up by not calling the dodgers...if he hasnt realized that already.
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let's hope so my brown skin brother
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I remember after the 3 peat, going to see my girl out there and I was talking to every stranger
about what ?
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i just said that its AS MUCH a dodger town as it is a laker town.
and that's where you're wrong.
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mdogg was talkn to strangers and gettn raped in the backseat of a van
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mdogg was talkn to strangers and gettn raped in the backseat of a van
Oh dear god... Hack, will you please say something so we can take you serious.
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mdogg was talkn to strangers and gettn raped in the backseat of a van
Oh dear god... Hack, will you please say something so we can take you serious.
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You can't choose between these 2 teams imo
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You can't choose between these 2 teams imo
exactly, this thread is retarded. the two teams are both loved in the city and their different sports, u can compare clippers to dodgers, angels ( if u consider them LA) to dodgers. but comparing the dodgers' and lakers' popularity in LA is like comparing apples and oranges.
imo i see more people sportin dodgers because when the season starts they play like veryday (fan of the dodgers but not a big baseball fan)
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Dodgers have been my baseball team since I was a little kid.
Never liked the Lakers.
to each his own.
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Dodgers have been my baseball team since I was a little kid.
Never liked the Lakers.
to each his own.
i was more of a dodgers fan when i was a kid cuz of my grandpa, more of a lakers fan now, but damn u dont like the lakers????!??!?
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you gotta love the Lakers if you're from LA 8)
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you gotta love the Lakers if you're from LA 8)
except for the 12 Clipper players and their 19 season ticket holders
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fuck baseball Lakers all the way
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The staples center can't fuck with the dodger stadium 8)
(http://www.eberhardco.com/images/projects/dodgerstadiumRA.jpg)
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you gotta love the Lakers if you're from LA 8)
except for the 12 Clipper players and their 19 season ticket holders
lol, if its lakers vs clippers and its a clippers home game, are the tickets still clipper prices???
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The staples center can't fuck with the dodger stadium 8)
(http://www.eberhardco.com/images/projects/dodgerstadiumRA.jpg)
staples center> dodgers stadium
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The staples center can't fuck with the dodger stadium 8)
(http://www.eberhardco.com/images/projects/dodgerstadiumRA.jpg)
staples center> dodgers stadium
easily
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/confs/pac10/graphics/staples-center-700.jpg)
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you gotta love the Lakers if you're from LA 8)
except for the 12 Clipper players and their 19 season ticket holders
lol, if its lakers vs clippers and its a clippers home game, are the tickets still clipper prices???
any ticket for a game vs the Lakers is gunna be pricey as fuck. that goes for any team. Laker basketball is the ultimate sporting experience. 8)
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The staples center can't fuck with the dodger stadium 8)
(http://www.eberhardco.com/images/projects/dodgerstadiumRA.jpg)
staples center> dodgers stadium
easily
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/confs/pac10/graphics/staples-center-700.jpg)
AH,for the lights,eh ? :banana:
i've been lucky enough to see a couple of games of both the lakers and the dodgers,and the vibe @ the dodgers stadium IS SOMETHING ELSE.
i'm not sayin that a lakers game is not a great experience,but its too hollywood with all those fuckin actors and all that glamour shit.
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Dodger Stadium is one of the best stadiums in all of sports because of it's architecture and the history of how it was made. It's going to take a few decades for Staples Center to reach that status, the fact that it has "Staples" in the name is already going to make it hard for it to live up to Dodger Stadium. Plus, if in a few decades Dodger Stadium is still standing it will just be even more impressive.
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Dodger Stadium is one of the best stadiums in all of sports because of it's architecture and the history of how it was made. It's going to take a few decades for Staples Center to reach that status, the fact that it has "Staples" in the name is already going to make it hard for it to live up to Dodger Stadium. Plus, if in a few decades Dodger Stadium is still standing it will just be even more impressive.
the renovations its going through, will make it last AT LEAST another 50 years. with in a few years, itll be the oldest baseball stadium...with a modern look. :bandit:
(http://sportsblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/24/new_dodger_stadium.jpg)
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The staples center can't fuck with the dodger stadium 8)
(http://www.eberhardco.com/images/projects/dodgerstadiumRA.jpg)
staples center> dodgers stadium
easily
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/confs/pac10/graphics/staples-center-700.jpg)
AH,for the lights,eh ? :banana:
i've been lucky enough to see a couple of games of both the lakers and the dodgers,and the vibe @ the dodgers stadium IS SOMETHING ELSE.
i'm not sayin that a lakers game is not a great experience,but its too hollywood with all those fuckin actors and all that glamour shit.
you've never been to a Laker playoff game, then.
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The staples center can't fuck with the dodger stadium 8)
(http://www.eberhardco.com/images/projects/dodgerstadiumRA.jpg)
staples center> dodgers stadium
easily
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/confs/pac10/graphics/staples-center-700.jpg)
AH,for the lights,eh ? :banana:
i've been lucky enough to see a couple of games of both the lakers and the dodgers,and the vibe @ the dodgers stadium IS SOMETHING ELSE.
i'm not sayin that a lakers game is not a great experience,but its too hollywood with all those fuckin actors and all that glamour shit.
Too HOLLYWOOD?? You're watching a game in fuckin' LA, what you expect. Street muthaphukkaz bustin' caps in dat ass as Kobe dodges 3 defenders, a 9mm and 3 .45 rounds?
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The staples center can't fuck with the dodger stadium 8)
(http://www.eberhardco.com/images/projects/dodgerstadiumRA.jpg)
staples center> dodgers stadium
easily
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/confs/pac10/graphics/staples-center-700.jpg)
AH,for the lights,eh ? :banana:
i've been lucky enough to see a couple of games of both the lakers and the dodgers,and the vibe @ the dodgers stadium IS SOMETHING ELSE.
i'm not sayin that a lakers game is not a great experience,but its too hollywood with all those fuckin actors and all that glamour shit.
you've never been to a Laker playoff game, then.
actually,i've been to 2 games.
CAN i prefer the dodgers stadium ? ::)
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dodger stadium has DECADES of history..hell, its goin on a half a century of HISTORY. im sorry, but there is NO WAY staples center can compare to dodger stadium.
matter of fact, id be willing to bet that dodger stadium out lives staples center.
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The staples center can't fuck with the dodger stadium 8)
(http://www.eberhardco.com/images/projects/dodgerstadiumRA.jpg)
staples center> dodgers stadium
easily
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/confs/pac10/graphics/staples-center-700.jpg)
AH,for the lights,eh ? :banana:
i've been lucky enough to see a couple of games of both the lakers and the dodgers,and the vibe @ the dodgers stadium IS SOMETHING ELSE.
i'm not sayin that a lakers game is not a great experience,but its too hollywood with all those fuckin actors and all that glamour shit.
you've never been to a Laker playoff game, then.
actually,i've been to 2 games.
CAN i prefer the dodgers stadium ? ::)
hollywood? i dont get how it can be too hollywood. its not liek your gonna see any of those mofos, it especailly doesnt feel hollywood at all when ur at the nose bleeds.
i juz like how staples center is built it feels more comfterable to me.
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dodger stadium has DECADES of history..hell, its goin on a half a century of HISTORY. im sorry, but there is NO WAY staples center can compare to dodger stadium.
matter of fact, id be willing to bet that dodger stadium out lives staples center.
of course Dodger Stadium has more of a history to it...but Staples Center was built for the new millennium. It's THEE arena of the future.
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The staples center can't fuck with the dodger stadium 8)
(http://www.eberhardco.com/images/projects/dodgerstadiumRA.jpg)
staples center> dodgers stadium
easily
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/confs/pac10/graphics/staples-center-700.jpg)
AH,for the lights,eh ? :banana:
i've been lucky enough to see a couple of games of both the lakers and the dodgers,and the vibe @ the dodgers stadium IS SOMETHING ELSE.
i'm not sayin that a lakers game is not a great experience,but its too hollywood with all those fuckin actors and all that glamour shit.
you've never been to a Laker playoff game, then.
actually,i've been to 2 games.
CAN i prefer the dodgers stadium ? ::)
what playoff Laker games have you been to?
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dodger stadium has DECADES of history..hell, its goin on a half a century of HISTORY. im sorry, but there is NO WAY staples center can compare to dodger stadium.
matter of fact, id be willing to bet that dodger stadium out lives staples center.
of course Dodger Stadium has more of a history to it...but Staples Center was built for the new millennium. It's THEE arena of the future.
and dodger stadium is being renovated to outlast every single stadium out there and bring it into the present and future...and like i said, id be willing to bet, that barring any natural disaster or terrorist act, dodger stadium out lives staples.
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Los Angeles isn't a sports town 1st and foremost. Yeah you see people with lakers or dodgers stickers but for the most part it ain't a predominately sports affiliated town. I've lived in seattle and oakland, two places with major sports teams and you see much more support in the streets no matter where you go, no matter what..LA is different.
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dodger stadium has DECADES of history..hell, its goin on a half a century of HISTORY. im sorry, but there is NO WAY staples center can compare to dodger stadium.
matter of fact, id be willing to bet that dodger stadium out lives staples center.
of course Dodger Stadium has more of a history to it...but Staples Center was built for the new millennium. It's THEE arena of the future.
and dodger stadium is being renovated to outlast every single stadium out there and bring it into the present and future...and like i said, id be willing to bet, that barring any natural disaster or terrorist act, dodger stadium out lives staples.
Also add the fact that there will always be newer stadiums built that will look even more modern and futuristic than Staples.
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And the history we're talking about isn't just Dodger History, the building Dodger Stadium is an important moment in Los Angeles history not only for what happened to Chavez Ravine but what it meant for Los Angeles. Now that I thought about this more clearly, it's not even close.
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And the history we're talking about isn't just Dodger History, the building Dodger Stadium is an important moment in Los Angeles history not only for what happened to Chavez Ravine but what it meant for Los Angeles. Now that I thought about this more clearly, it's not even close.
8)
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Los Angeles isn't a sports town 1st and foremost. Yeah you see people with lakers or dodgers stickers but for the most part it ain't a predominately sports affiliated town. I've lived in seattle and oakland, two places with major sports teams and you see much more support in the streets no matter where you go, no matter what..LA is different.
its because la is fucking huge.
trust, wear the opposing teams jersey and ull get fucked with specially the eses they go all out with that sports shit. ull either end up gettin punked or gettin your ass hopped.
lol nebody remember last year when a celtics fan got hospitalized by some eses after 1 of the home games for the finals.
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Another negative L.A. has when it comes to it not being known as a sports town is the fact that our city has a lot of out of towners that moved to L.A. Go to a Dodger vs Cardinal or Cubs game, you see fans of those teams all over.
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And the history we're talking about isn't just Dodger History, the building Dodger Stadium is an important moment in Los Angeles history not only for what happened to Chavez Ravine but what it meant for Los Angeles. Now that I thought about this more clearly, it's not even close.
FUCK CHAVES RAVINE!!!!
Dodger Stadium was built on stolen land, and if you don't believe it, then read this. LA Times knows what's up
http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-ravine29mar29,1,6043429.story
From the Los Angeles Times
DODGERS 50TH ANNIVERSARY IN L.A.
Orphans of the Ravine
Families were uprooted when the Dodgers came to town, a time that still resonates with many. Some of the evicted families needed three generations to get back to a comparable economic level.
By Kevin Baxter
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 29, 2008
Virginia Pinedo grew up less than 10 minutes from downtown Los Angeles. Yet her childhood was filled with long, slow walks with her grandfather, bike rides at breakneck speeds along empty streets and quiet afternoons watching Basque shepherds tending their flocks.
"It was very peaceful," she said. "Kids were different because the kind of upbringing they had had a lot of rural-type influences."
Memories, however, are about all that's left of the old neighborhood, much of which was razed half a century ago, eventually to be replaced by Dodger Stadium. In what quickly became a controversial and emotional chapter in the city's rapid post-war growth, some 1,200 families -- many of whom came to Los Angeles to escape the Mexican Revolution -- were forced out and their houses were bulldozed to make way for an ambitious public housing project that was never built.
Instead, the city awarded the 315 acres to the Dodgers as part of the effort to lure the team from Brooklyn. And some have never forgotten -- or forgiven -- the slight.
"It was a lot of political chicanery that got the people out of there," said Don Normark, a Seattle photographer whose pictures of Chavez Ravine became the basis for a book and documentary movie. "So it's certainly sad."
So sad, in fact, many of the displaced -- some of whom formed a group called Los Desterrados, Spanish for the Uprooted -- have never bought a ticket to a Dodgers game.
"I did construction. I worked [at] Dodger Stadium. But I've never been in there," said David Fernandez, whose wife Aurora was carried, kicking and screaming, out of her family's Chavez Ravine home in May 1959 by sheriff's deputies as television cameras rolled.
Seconds later a waiting bulldozer destroyed the house she had lived in for 37 years.
"She took the headlines away from Elizabeth Taylor when she married Eddie Fisher," Fernandez said with a laugh.
For years afterward, Aurora Fernandez, who was fined and jailed for her protest, had trouble even saying the name Dodgers. Eventually, though, they became her favorite team.
"At one time, I know, she couldn't [watch] the Dodgers and blah blah blah," her widower said dismissively. "And she got over it. We got over it."
So did Pinedo. Although she has yet to pay her way into Dodger Stadium she no longer blames the team for stealing the last years of her childhood.
"They didn't have anything to do with it," said Pinedo, who still lives in the shadow of the ballpark. "It wasn't a conspiracy of taking people's homes to sell the land to the Dodgers."
What it was, said Ronald Lopez, a professor of Chicano and Latino Studies at Sonoma State who did his doctoral dissertation on Chavez Ravine, was something fairly common in the 1950s: an attempt by a rapidly growing city to remake and reinvigorate itself. And that meant tearing down many of the old neighborhoods.
"There had been this idea of building up L.A. as this world-class city," he said. "They wanted the things that New York had."
In other areas, residents were forced out to make room for freeways, airports or shopping centers. Most went quietly. What made Chavez Ravine different was the fact some residents fought back.
"It's a symbol of standing up, of resistance," Lopez said. "It's a historic story."
And it's a story that was told with reverence in Mexican-American homes for decades, inspiring many of the Chicano activists of the 1960s and '70s. And it still resonates today.
"The fact that they fought, fought, fought showed people that they were going to stand up. And people can identify with that," Lopez said. "Do I think it was racist? Yeah, I think it was racist. [But] it wasn't so much [city planners] thought of it in racial terms but that it was an expendable population."
The valley known as Chavez Ravine, located just to the north of City Hall, was named after Mexican-born landowner Julian Chavez, one of L.A. County's first supervisors. And by the time it came to the attention of urban planners, it had become home to a vibrant, tight-knit community of mainly Mexican immigrants, who saw the peaceful and pastoral area as a small-town refuge in the middle of a growing metropolis, a place where they could still grow gardens and keep chickens even as skyscrapers went up all around them.
The city, Pinedo remembers, even allowed shepherds to graze their flocks there on the way to the slaughterhouses. Others, however, saw the working-class neighborhood -- which was actually made up of three barrios, Palo Verde, Bishop and Loma -- as a shantytown and an eyesore and by 1952, with the area marked for a massive public-works project, only a handful of families remained.
The housing complex -- where many of the former residents were told they could live -- would never be built, but the idea of urban renewal, which had spawned the idea in the first place, could not be stopped.
Over the years, Pinedo, who has studied urban development, came to understand that. But when Dodger Stadium opened in 1962, the wounds were still fresh, so she and a friend sneaked behind the outfield wall and threw tomatoes on the field in protest.
"We ran back to my house and sat in the basement for hours thinking they're going to get us," said Pinedo, who lived in one of the few houses that was spared the wrecking ball. "It was important to us. We were making a stand."
It was, after all, a traumatic event for the children of Chavez Ravine, who saw their schools plowed under and their friends move away. Pinedo remembers her mother, a well-known community activist, taking part in numerous meetings where, she found out much later, the effect of the dislocation on the neighborhood kids was discussed. A study done years later found some of the evicted families needed three generations to get back to a comparable economic level.
"[But] there's also a percentage of people that said that was the best thing that ever happened to us," said Pinedo, 62. "We ended up in other municipalities and our kids did well, and they adjusted just fine."
Well, not totally. Although many of the original Desterrados have died and emotions among their survivors have calmed considerably, not everyone is ready to leave the past in ... well, the past.
"There are a lot of people like that. And believe me, I would be the first to defend that," said Pinedo, who publicly made her peace with the Dodgers eight years ago. "I come from a different position and it's quite possible [that's] because I didn't lose my house.
"A lot of people are still angry and bitter to this day. But not everybody walked away feeling that way. There were people that understood."
kevin.baxter@latimes.com
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jun/07/entertainment/et-chavez7
‘Chavez Ravine’ too familiar, too sad
By Paul Brownfield
June 07, 2005 in print edition E-11
We like Dodger Stadium; the Dodgers play there. We don’t want to hear the sad story of the families who lost their homes to create a pitcher’s mound where Sandy Koufax and Fernando Valenzuela worked their magic, and Kirk Gibson limped to home plate in the bottom of the ninth of a World Series game and stopped the city cold.
Indeed, Vin Scully, despite his butter-rich way of selling the Dodgers as the ultimate in family entertainment, couldn’t narrate “Chavez Ravine: A Los Angeles Story,” a half-hour documentary, airing Wednesday at 9:30 p.m. It’s part of the PBS series “Independent Lens,” this one on the Mexican American immigrant families who had built homes there only to be driven out to pave the way, eventually, for the house that Walter O’Malley built.
As in many stories about a lost community, there is an unmistakably mournful, one-sided tone to this compact piece from filmmaker Jordan Mechner, with evocative music from Ry Cooder and the photography of Don Normark, whose book, “Chavez Ravine: A Los Angeles Story,” resulted from his having stumbled upon the community in 1949.
Normark’s pictures evoke the place and the people, who composed a tight-knit village of around 300 families. As Normark’s beautiful pictures show, Chavez Ravine back then was a rambling micro-community – people living in bungalows amid hillsides with vegetable gardens and schools and a church – all remarkably close to downtown Los Angeles, a freeway running through it.
The children of Chavez Ravine don’t own anything but the memories. They are bittersweet. At least one, Carol Jaques, went to Dodger Stadium once and couldn’t go back, calling the experience like “dancing on a grave.” Jaques and others know what’s buried there, beneath the parked SUVs and the Union 76 station. “In a thousand years, somebody’s gonna start digging, they’re gonna find a school down there,” Beto Elias, a child of the ravine, says, referring to an old grammar school.
“Chavez Ravine” is an all-too-familiar story, both an L.A. story and a primer on how stadiums get built (hint: people don’t necessarily come first) – although here, the story doesn’t begin with the team owner pushing out the little guy. Here, it begins with plans, backed by federal housing money, to remake Chavez Ravine into a low-income housing project, until that idealistic bit of urban planning fell to political winds and was squelched, paving the way for what sits there today – Dodger Stadium.
The city had planned to turn Chavez Ravine into low-income housing on what was mostly vacant land. At the time, residents could either sell their homes at what the city termed a fair market rate or risk forcible eviction, although they were also told they would get dibs on a home in the new project.
As a child, Elias remembers a man coming to his front door and offering his father $9,600 for his home. The senior Elias took the offer, his son remembers, only to discover that prices for homes in other neighborhoods were around double that.
Then came the land grab – what then-city housing official Frank Wilkinson calls “the tragedy of my life.” The project he helped engineer ended up killing off a community, not creating a new one, after homeowner groups protested what they saw as a socialist urban works project. Wilkinson, hounded as a Communist menace during the Red Scare of the ’50s, lost his job; the land of Chavez Ravine was eventually sold to O’Malley so he could move his Brooklyn Dodgers west.
The rest you know. The O’Malleys eventually sold out to the Fox people, who have given way to the McCourts. Please drink responsibly.
Check this site out
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/chavezravine/
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those actions were fucked up, and i dont agree with how they went about it...but still, dodger stadium is fucking beautiful. :bandit:
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those actions were fucked up, and i dont agree with how they went about it...but still, dodger stadium is fucking beautiful. :bandit:
and he uses the Mexican face... :grumpy:
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those actions were fucked up, and i dont agree with how they went about it...but still, dodger stadium is fucking beautiful. :bandit:
and he uses the Mexican face... :grumpy:
so?
what do you want me to do about something that happened like 40 years ago? lol
dodger stadium = beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to build dodger stadium were fucked. fact.
many part of the usa are beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to construct the USA were fucked. fact.
:bandit:
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those actions were fucked up, and i dont agree with how they went about it...but still, dodger stadium is fucking beautiful. :bandit:
and he uses the Mexican face... :grumpy:
so?
what do you want me to do about something that happened like 40 years ago? lol
dodger stadium = beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to build dodger stadium were fucked. fact.
many part of the usa are beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to construct the USA were fucked. fact.
:bandit:
LA = Laker's town FACT
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those actions were fucked up, and i dont agree with how they went about it...but still, dodger stadium is fucking beautiful. :bandit:
and he uses the Mexican face... :grumpy:
so?
what do you want me to do about something that happened like 40 years ago? lol
dodger stadium = beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to build dodger stadium were fucked. fact.
many part of the usa are beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to construct the USA were fucked. fact.
:bandit:
LA = Laker's and Dodgers town FACT
fixed. :bandit:
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those actions were fucked up, and i dont agree with how they went about it...but still, dodger stadium is fucking beautiful. :bandit:
and he uses the Mexican face... :grumpy:
so?
what do you want me to do about something that happened like 40 years ago? lol
dodger stadium = beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to build dodger stadium were fucked. fact.
many part of the usa are beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to construct the USA were fucked. fact.
:bandit:
LA = Laker's and Dodgers town FACT
fixed. :bandit:
I think I got it right the first time.
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those actions were fucked up, and i dont agree with how they went about it...but still, dodger stadium is fucking beautiful. :bandit:
and he uses the Mexican face... :grumpy:
so?
what do you want me to do about something that happened like 40 years ago? lol
dodger stadium = beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to build dodger stadium were fucked. fact.
many part of the usa are beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to construct the USA were fucked. fact.
:bandit:
LA = Laker's and Dodgers town FACT
fixed. :bandit:
I think I got it right the first time.
na.
:bandit:
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those actions were fucked up, and i dont agree with how they went about it...but still, dodger stadium is fucking beautiful. :bandit:
and he uses the Mexican face... :grumpy:
so?
what do you want me to do about something that happened like 40 years ago? lol
dodger stadium = beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to build dodger stadium were fucked. fact.
many part of the usa are beautiful. fact.
the actions that happened to construct the USA were fucked. fact.
:bandit:
LA = Laker's and Dodgers town FACT
fixed. :bandit:
I think I got it right the first time.
na.
:bandit:
In a case like Boston, where the Red Sox didn't win a title for 86 years, and and Boston won 17 titles, and you still have a town that lives and dies with the Red Sox, then yes you can call Boston a Red Sox town (which it is). But the Dodgers did win in the 80's, same as the Lakers, and the 90's both were good but never good enough to win. In that time you could see Magic Johnson as the face of the town, the Forum was full of celebrates still and Dodger stadium was empied by the 8th inning daily. Skip to the new decade, the Lakers are winning, the Angels are winning, the Dodgers are fighting for their name because newer fans are going to the Angels, Kobe is the face of the city, they are handed a star in Manny Ramirez who has breath life not seen since Piazza was traded, and the Dodgers can't close the deal. The town wants to support the Dodgers as seen last year, but honestly the Dodgers can't seem to do the things right that the Lakers do. LA is the Laker's town, the younger fans don't even like baseball, people in the 20's and younger are split between the Angels and Dodgers, the Dodgers can't even fight off the Angels for the city, how can they stop the franchise that's the face of the city. Hell, Nick Van Exel and Eddie Jones were just as popular as Piazza.
Dodger's biggest mistake, not hiring Mike Scioscia. They hire Scioscia, who was a Dodger through and through, the Dodger would have won at least one World Series, and they would have put the city behind them again and taken back the City of Angels. But bad management has put the Dodgers to their legendary slogan...
Wait Until Next Year. Ask Brooklyn what that means.
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"The town wants to support the Dodgers as seen last year"
the funny thing about that is, that last year attendance was down from previous years. not by much, but enough to make us #2 behind the mets. the city of LA DOES support the dodgers, if they didnt, we would be drawing like the marlins do. we havent won in 20 years, and we steady draw 3 million +. if we had won a few WS, it would easily be 4 million +.
"taken back the City of Angels"
we never lost it. :bandit:
"Dodgers can't even fight off the Angels for the city"
last year we split the season series with em.
"Dodger's biggest mistake, not hiring Mike Scioscia."
he was with the dodgers as a coach or manager..i forget..but in the minors. we were grooming him to be our manager in the bigs, but he got an offer from angels. besides, most angel fans are pissed at Scioscia for dumb calls he made this past offseason.
not winning and still being at the top in terms of attendance shows you that LA fans are loyal as fuck to the Dodgers.
"Dodgers are fighting for their name because newer fans are going to the Angels"
the angels will NEVER be as big as the dodgers. ever. saying the angels are taking over is comparable to saying that the clippers are taking over LA if they had a few good years..like the angels are having. take away the last 7 years, and what do the angels have? NOTHING. they desperately want to be in competition with LA over fans...and true, some dodger fans are now rooting for the angels...but only because theyve had recent success. i believe thats what people call "bandwagon fans" or "fair weather fans".
"LA is the Laker's town"
and a Dodger town. like i said in the beginning, we havent won shit in 20 years..and we still huge in LA. that alone should show you how much of a Dodger town this is. the lakers have never been in that situation (not winning for 20 years), but even if they were, theyd still be huge in LA. same as the dodgers.
"Forum was full of celebrates still"
again, what do celebrities have to do with anything?? for the record, a lot of celebrities have season tickets to the dodgers...so...