West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: King Tech Quadafi on January 14, 2003, 05:15:25 PM
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Ive actually heard people say that, but i cant agree with that, especially when the RZA is still around
Your thoughts
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yeah, RZA still holds it down
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i at least can bump RZA more than once...he has replay value...tho his beats have been lame lately...i just dont think eminem is that great of a producer...he hasnt done enough production to be considered the best...hes produced for himself, jayz, 50 cent and nas...who else?...thats really it...look at all the people RZA has worked with...look at Quik..Bosko...Hutch...etc...lyrically theyre not that great...but hey theyre beats are ten times that of eminems....i still think Evidence is a much better rapper producer...
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Eminem is better than RZA on the mic...
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DJ Paul and da Juice Manne.....
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Eminem is better than RZA on the mic...
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Yeah Em is better than Rza lyrically,. but the margin is not as big as a dump RZA takes on Ems production.
Production wise its not even close, but lyrically it kinda is.
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OMG are you KIDDING me, LMAO
rza has a large production catelouge, yeah , but damn NONE of his beats are as creative or complex than Em's few
Dj Quik had the crown as best Producer/Rapper til em started in
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RZA is creative and IMO one of the best producers in the game...you claiming that Cuban Linx lacks creativity ? It's not your production catalogue's size, but as a producer RZA's just alot better...as an MC it's Em, even though I consider RZA an underrated lyricist.
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LMAO @ Eminem's production being more complex and creative than RZA's.
Scarface is definitely up there since he produces 80% of his albums.
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rza, dj premier, prodeje ( from the SCC ), quik, dj muggs,
and more...
are all better than em on the productions...
i dont even wanna talk bout all the rappers that are better lyrically than em
peace
T
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I haven't heard shit from Rza as of late. The last hot shit was "Tha Jump Off." His raps can be too complex and nothing makes sense.
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Jake, you'se a fool
first of all Dre probably gives Em a helpin hand in the studio plus he has peeps co producing for him too...lol @ eminem even in the SAME FUCKIN SENTENCE as RZA in terms of production
lyrically its close but Em takes it....
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RZA's production is better than Em's by a margin that is bigger than the lyrical gap between the two.
DJ Quik comes with amazing beats, and even though he isn't great lyrically he has improved his rapping a lot over the years.
I would also say that I consider J-Zone to be a better rapper/producer than Eminem, and if we are counting groups in this, The Beatnuts are also better at rapping/producing than Em.
To me Eminem's production is pretty lame really, it's always either poppy, or guitar driven, there isn't enough variety in it for him to be considered a classic producer.
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i really like kanye west's rappin skills his beatz are already tight so watch out for him 2 blow in 2003
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rza fuckin makes me snore, his shit's so boring, em got hype , he can get one bouncin and come up wit so much crazy shit, go eminem!
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I heard Rockwilder was rappin again u better watch out for that shit!1
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RZA's production is better than Em's by a margin that is bigger than the lyrical gap between the two.
DJ Quik comes with amazing beats, and even though he isn't great lyrically he has improved his rapping a lot over the years.
I would also say that I consider J-Zone to be a better rapper/producer than Eminem, and if we are counting groups in this, The Beatnuts are also better at rapping/producing than Em.
To me Eminem's production is pretty lame really, it's always either poppy, or guitar driven, there isn't enough variety in it for him to be considered a classic producer.
word up !
you gotta mention the beatnuts...
totally forgot bout em
T
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I don't think Em's producing matches his rapping skills, but I have been impressed by what he's been coming out with recently.
If I were to go on matching skills I would defo put the likes of Quik and RZA over Em. Em doesn't have nearly enough beats to match their catalogue of classics yet.
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Jake, you'se a fool
first of all Dre probably gives Em a helpin hand in the studio plus he has peeps co producing for him too...lol @ eminem even in the SAME FUCKIN SENTENCE as RZA in terms of production
lyrically its close but Em takes it....
ok i'm the fool.... :o
this is the boy that said he likes B2K
thinks DPGC is better than dogg food
thinks "bang to dis" is better than 90% of em's catelouge
amongst other things
but i'm the fool.... Snatch Please!
yeah no doubt i do believe and know that dre helps em, BUT em for the most part comes up with those melodies and concepts all on his own. and his 80% or so is far more innovative and impressive musically than RZA's simplistic style ......it's not my fault you can't distinguish good music from great music.
and props to whoever mentioned the Beatnuts, they're amongst the few i respect in rap still
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fuckin hell, eminem jus started producin n ppl already comparin him to gza, dj quik and co.......man dj khalil is on another level production wise to eminem, at the moment, eminem is jus another personho sounds like a cheaper version of dre with a lil mo guitars in it..........listen to dres verse on xzibits new track.........even tho its pretty wack.......theres a good line in it"watch out for fake shit that sounds identical" or sum shit like that, its tru
eminem cant be put into a great producer record for me until he brings his own new style into the game that ppl be feelin, like dj quik n co have...................and produce alot of beats for other ppl will help him with that
but on a side tip, his pretty dope on his own production..........but myabe cuz he got mad skills on the mic
peace
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I don't really like RZA's flow or production.
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I don't really like RZA's flow or production.
same here
peace
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U guys are dumb...Em's been producing since day one...Eminem is the best rapper/producer out there without a doubt...The beat to "Lose Yourself" shits 90% of Hip-Hop Beats you hear nowadays...Same with "My Name", "Superman", "Cleanin Out My Closet", "Say Goodbye To Hollywood","Rabbit Run", "Way I Am", "Soldier", and a whole lot more...PeACe
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HAVOC
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U guys are dumb...Em's been producing since day one...Eminem is the best rapper/producer out there without a doubt...The beat to "Lose Yourself" shits 90% of Hip-Hop Beats you hear nowadays...Same with "My Name", "Superman", "Cleanin Out My Closet", "Say Goodbye To Hollywood","Rabbit Run", "Way I Am", "Soldier", and a whole lot more...PeACe
props 4 recognizing that. without doubt eminem is the best rapper/producer out there now. i agree wit this shit here.
peace
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nah man...the best is E-Dub aka Erick Sermon listen to "Music" and u will understand
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hmmm yeah eric is a good choice but , em's still the better MC and his beats are are more eclectic and original so i'd put him of him
eric sermon is the rightful goat of eastcoast production though
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havoc or dre
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Which rapper/producer could pull off the best album by producing the whole album alone and rhyming on it alone (no guest emcees)?
I'd say DJ Quik, Eminem or Redman.
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Which rapper/producer could pull off the best album by producing the whole album alone and rhyming on it alone (no guest emcees)?
I'd say DJ Quik, Eminem or Redman.
OutKast....Stankonia was predominantly produced by them (Earthtone III) not to mention a lot of songs on Aquemini and all their newest songs.
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yeah u cant call eminem the best yet, he only jus startin to get recognized as a producer......
theres alot of better producers that are better than him......eminems should get alot better yet, gonna get more experience n producin for others will help that
peace
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U guys are dumb...Em's been producing since day one...Eminem is the best rapper/producer out there without a doubt...The beat to "Lose Yourself" shits 90% of Hip-Hop Beats you hear nowadays...Same with "My Name", "Superman", "Cleanin Out My Closet", "Say Goodbye To Hollywood","Rabbit Run", "Way I Am", "Soldier", and a whole lot more...PeACe
lose yourself sounded just like til i collapse...not that creative if u ask me...cleanin out my closest wasnt anything that great...cmon theres plenty of better beats than those...Bosko got better beats...hes more talented than eminem...he may not be that lyrical...but he can bust pretty decent...beats are always on point....he can ACTUALLY sing...and nobody can really touch him on the talk box...same with hutch...hes more talented than eminem...so is quik...pharaohe monch produces heaters of his own and spits alot better than em...
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add to that list Sick Jacken...hes a great lyricist and has some of the best beats...The Beatnuts also...Cool Nutz...Brotha Lynch Hung...so many of these foos got much better beats...lyrically theyre not close to em...but i think matched up head to head theyd smash on eminem...
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Which rapper/producer could pull off the best album by producing the whole album alone and rhyming on it alone (no guest emcees)?
I'd say DJ Quik, Eminem or Redman.
OutKast....Stankonia was predominantly produced by them (Earthtone III) not to mention a lot of songs on Aquemini and all their newest songs.
shit i forgot all about my boys kast, yeah i'd put them up there too
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Em's a top emcee dope at producing too but RZA is still definatly betta at all in my oppinion cause RZA's production is on another level than Em's
c'mon RZA's one of the very tightest producers ever Em can't live up to him production wise
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SGV...Like Tom said, you're a West Coast Backpacker...LoL...Pretty funny if u ask me...PeACe
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SGV...Like Tom said, you're a West Coast Backpacker...LoL...Pretty funny if u ask me...PeACe
LMAO...west coast back packer?...uh...no back packers listen to puffy or baby...no back packer listens to E-40 or Brotha Lynch...no back packer listens to Dayton Family or Midwest Mafia...explain how im a back packer?...cuz backpackers bump only underground hip hop...nothin else...not gangsta shit...not commercial shit...lame ass comment...and am i a back packer cuz i dont like Dre or Eminem?...if so thats a wack ass reason...