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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: KURUPTION-81 on February 16, 2004, 11:12:42 AM
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*I did NOT write this it's from another board.Read this from start to finish. If your serious about your rap...take a read about this, and realize you need to get better grades in school.
originally posted by Fabulous Sport
This Is My Official Fu-k The Industry Thread........
Fu-k what you've heard about the industry to now, fu-k all major record labels and fu-k all major recording artists as well, fu-k Nas, Jay, Em, Nelly, Chingy, Jermaine Dupri, Dr. Dre, Russell Simmons, The ROC, All Of Shady, Desert Storm, R. Kelly, Fabolous, Joe Budden, all mainstream rappers I haven't mentioned. Let me tell you the real industry............
I've been signed for about 4 months now to a major label and now I wish I never started rapping, producing, or even getting into the music business, I'm going to college. You know why underground rappers never shine?? You wanna know why it's so hard to get a deal?? You wanna know why some artists can write 6-7 albums while some cats struggle to write one?? You wanna know why It's more A&R's that exists on labels than it is actual artists on the label?? You wanna know why Interscope is suppressing the whole Eminem thing??
Here Goes.......
Most cats believe they can get a deal by spittin' some sick lyrics or making some good songs, wrong. You know what labels do?? A&R's don't look for artists, not at all, Labels sign around 25 artists per decade and then freeze signings. A&R's don't go look for the next big artists, they look for hit songs and writing pools and people who can sing backup vocals. A&R's aren't worried about finding artists with star quality that have interesting backgrounds, oh no, not at all.
Here's how they do rappers.........Raping-U-Records artists are starting to get old and played out so they send an A&R out to find a punkass rapper who lives in a respectable area. Next, they make sure the artist is marketable, then they'll sign the artist. Now Rapper A has a record deal with no previous history of rapping, next the label will setup a front to make it look like they discovered the artist (might sign a kid first, then set it up to make it look like this kid was rapping in front of a crowd at a gas station where a highly known A&R just happened to be getting gas from).
Next, they'll sit down with the artist and have this reality talk to them, explaining to them that the industry is a business and none of this is real. Now, they'll overexagerate their background and even lie about their age and where they grew up, they'll push a suburban to a harder area then they're really from. They find a an angle (pop's died, parents divorced, got shot, sold drugs, friend died) and push that angle to build the artist sentimental respect (who likes a punk who lived a perfect life??). They'll use that angle to build a story around them and how that event or events affected them.
Now, they hit the studio, right?? Wrong!! Now here is what real A&R's are meant for. They'll send out their A&R's and stupid cats like me will kill to get the demo in their hands, once these A&R's have a good number of SOLICITED demo's they'll tell Rappers B, C and D to send the label some material. Rappers B, C and D think they might get a deal, so they get their demo package together with Bio, Pic's, Press Kit and the actual demo. They probably tellin' their guys that they finna get signed and ish. Wrong........
Now A&R B is at the label listening to the demos of Rapper B, C and D. A&R B doesn't care for anything but the songs. A&R B is really feeling Rapper B and D's demo's (capable hit songs) but not Rapper C. So that's when Rapper C gets the rejection letter. Now the A&R is interested in Rapper B & D's material, so they'll write them and ask them to send more material, now B & D really think they're gonna get signed.
A&R B listens again and feels as if Rapper D isn't as good as he thought he was but still feels Rapper B. Now he sends a rejection letter to Rapper D. Now the contact is made with Rapper B and a meeting is set up. Sounds lovely right?? Keep Reading....A&R B and Rapper B and a few exec's have a meeting and now Rapper B is hit with REALITY. A&R B explains the real music business and gives Rapper B a choice, either walk out that door and be forever blackballed or the alternative.
You remember Rapper A, right?? Rapper B has been hit with the reality that he will never be a star. Rapper B just sent in about 10 songs to A&R B which were purchased and now will be on Rapper A's album. Rapper B is now merely part of a writing pool, he will continue to make songs under the supervision of an A&R, only not for himself, for everyone else. Now Rapper B sends about 10-20 songs to Rapin-U-Records every 3 months and now Rapper A, Rapper X, Rapper J and Singer T go through Rapper B's material as well as the other hundred's of Rappers and Singers that are merely writing pools material and pick which song they want on their album.
Now here is where the process takes place, Rapper A chooses 3 songs from Rapper B, 4 songs from Rapper Y and 2 songs from Singer U to make an album. Rapper A might want to do his own song so the label gives Rapper A 2 slots to do his own songs. When the album is finished, starving artists in writing pools are paid off and SILENCED. Now you can read the credits and see Rapper A's name all over, but it's to fool you, the sheep, the cats who buy the albums and the stupid chickenheads that believe anything in writing.
Rapper A has candy stories and rumors started by people at the label that grow and make the Rapper more respectable, more harder and more controversial to keep the life span of Rapper A alive. Guess what?? If an A&R finds someone else who's making better songs than Rapper B, they cut him off and blackball him to keep him silenced, it's that simple, fuk what you heard and believe. Beef?? Real or fake?? Ima tell you this, more beef's in the past and present then you brainwashed muthafukaz will ever believe are fake, some are real but even then you'll believe what you want. Once Rapper A falls off (not lyrically, not songwise) marketwise, they drop them and a new era of MUSIC INDUSTRY BULLSH*T arises.
And that's just the rappers, I'm not even going to get into producing, all Ima say is that most of your respectable producers are merely NAMES, you believe PRODUCER B is ths ish?? PRODUCER B can produce, but how do you think they can produce so many hot songs at one time?? They don't, a label will send out A&R's to find clones (people who've been influenced and therefore have the same sound) of the producer and the same process as with Rapper's A, B, C and D will spark up with producers too. THINK ABOUT IT........
Why do think it took Twista and Memphis Bleek so long to come out again, huh?? Cuz they wanted to write their own albums and didn't want to fall victim, too bad that's not for most of the ROC. Why do you think Ali Vegas will probably never drop and even when he drops, watch what happens......Why do you think 50 Cent couldn't get a deal after Trackmasters?? How come the Bravehearts took so long?? And then didn't even get pushed, promoted or even have money put behind them?? Hey Chicago, where is 3Piece?? Why do you think both MTV MC Battles promised Def Jam and Roc-A-Fella Contracts but Reignman's on his own label and Wreckognize aint on the Roc?? How come Shawnna got shelved?? Why did Universal lie about Nelly's age?? Why did it take Jin some 2 and a half years to come out with a single?? Where the hell is Postaboy?? What did Mase get exposed to that made him choose God over Millions of dollars?? Cats know the truth and don't like it, it's that simple.......
How would you like it if you've been rapping since you were 7, been hustlin demos, doing meaningless talent showcases and then you finally get a deal at age 20 and now you've become Rapper B?? The industry messes people up for real and half these cats who see the Bling Bling and girls think that's all their is, it's like finding out God doesn't really exists and now I've become Rapper B.
Sh*t like this gets cats killed for real, the industry is shady and what you've seen on TV, them DVD's, in interviews, VH1, MTV, whatever is nothing but the "GHOST INDUSTRY" that you've been led to believe is how it is and none of you have any idea, I hate the music industry, I hate the entertainment business, I'm going to college, getting my degree and am leaving this is behind me, FU*K COLUMBIA RECORDS and most of all, ya'll can SU*K my D*CK. To the industry heads on here, F*CK U, go ahead, yeah, I've broken the silence, only the underground is real, FU*K the industry.......
I'm uppin this til everyone reads it, I thought I was about live out my dream and now I've been exposed to the nightmare that is the industry. I was brainwashed, now I'm not, everything I've said in this post is the truth, anything you've heard or been led to believe is bull, this post applies to all them STUDIO wankstaz.......
Cat's I know got ghostwriters and songs come from writing pools.........Fuk what you believe........
Clipse
Snoop
Nas
D-Block
Eminem
Fabolous
Biggie
Static
Joe Budden
Nelly
Mase
Chingy
Ludacris
Kanye West
Trick Daddy
Cassidy
Jay-Z
Young Gunz
Murphy Lee
And about a bunch of cats I'm too pissed to mention right now......I'm uppin this til the world blows up, think about this ish seriously and a lot of ish will start to make more sense......
-Welcome To The Real Music Industry-
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yeh there might be some truth in it, everyone knows that the industry is shady but to me he sounds like a frustrated artist who never made it in the game.
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If that's true, then I feel for the dude. That's fucked up, but honestly, it doesn't surprise me. I'm sure there's much worse going on out there.
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it might be true to a degree, but i really dont think its full true.... there probly a shitload of ghostwriting going on and a LOT of bullshiting about peoples past, but its not EVERYONE
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dramatizing fool
im gonna be big one day. and you KNOW this!
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yeh there might be some truth in it, everyone knows that the industry is shady but to me he sounds like a frustrated artist who never made it in the game.
Yup yup
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The thing the writer says about producers is true. I have a friend who makes beats on the side and a few years ago, around 98 or so, Soulshock and Carlin invited him to the studio. For those who don't know, Soulshock and Carlin produced the track "Me Against the World" by 2pac and "Baby Don't Cry" by the Outlaws and they've done work on Mary J Blige's "Share my World.
Anyway, they tell my friend to come up with a beat on the spot to see how good it is. He does that, arranges a beat in a short amount of time. They kept the track, mixed it, and used it on Mary J Blige's album without giving him any credit or paying him a dime.
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Nas
D-Block
Eminem
Biggie
Ludacris
Jay-Z
sorry, but is he sayin these guys have ghostwriters write all their shit?
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damn snoop uses ghost writers and all he gets is that izzle shizzle shit?
i'd put a hit out on them bastards
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^ ROFL *prop*
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^^^ yea that snoop shit is funny, but makes a good point, why dont all rapers have good lyrics, if they all have a great ghost writer behind them>???
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LMAO.
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Man, this was a damn interesting read. I'm sure this is true to a special degree, I actually think that most of that is true. But what I don't really think is the thing that so many rappers got their "writing pools", because I think that this dude is not the only one who would feel bad if he would be clowned like this, and so (if this would be true) I'm sure somebody before him would've exposed that yet. Especially in the case of rappers like Eminem or Nas, who are glorified for "their" lyrical skills.
...A&R B and Rapper B and a few exec's have a meeting and now Rapper B is hit with REALITY. A&R B explains the real music business and gives Rapper B a choice, either walk out that door and be forever blackballed or the alternative.
You remember Rapper A, right?? Rapper B has been hit with the reality that he will never be a star. Rapper B just sent in about 10 songs to A&R B which were purchased and now will be on Rapper A's album. Rapper B is now merely part of a writing pool, he will continue to make songs under the supervision of an A&R, only not for himself, for everyone else. Now Rapper B sends about 10-20 songs to Rapin-U-Records every 3 months and now Rapper A, Rapper X, Rapper J and Singer T go through Rapper B's material as well as the other hundred's of Rappers and Singers that are merely writing pools material and pick which song they want on their album...
^^ That facts made me stunned, I hope it isn't true, because that would be fucked up in an unbelievably way :-\ Thanks for postin' this...
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There might be sum truth to it and there might be more ghostwriting goin on than we know about, but I definitely don't believe all of this. Why do we get this shockin ass exposure from a guy nobody ever heard of when there's so many "Rapper A"'s that 1. got dropped and are 2. just as frustrated and 3. don't have a reason for shuttin up?
We hear/read so many stories about "Rapper A"'s bout how they used to be dope in the past by people who are not part of the industry...Hence, why should the industry feel obliged to give those really talented cats ghostwriters when they could easily write their own shit? Cause it makes them more evil and fake lol?
Also that thing bout takin people out of the burbs and inventin fake biographies bout how they are from the pj's and shit...you really think nobody who knows any of these cats from way back would speak up. Like Mobb Deep really used to live in the Hamptons and Loud invented that QB shit to get em a deal, payed off sum ghostwriters and forced em to rap their lyrics, now nobody says shit? ::)
And why don't those cats who0 wanted to write their own albums and know ain't gonna drop say shit either?
really, sum things might be true, but to me this looks like sumbody's frustrated and/or paranoid and typed that shit up to get sum attention
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Nice read. Could be true. Probably true. But yeah... You would think that artists would be coming with alot better lyrics and that the beats would be much tighter if they were choosing from such a large pool of songs and beats. Still though, this makes alot of sense.
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I don't really believe it...LoL...I know the industry is shady and all, but come on... Dude kinda stretched the truth...LoL
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^^^ yea that snoop shit is funny, but makes a good point, why dont all rapers have good lyrics, if they all have a great ghost writer behind them>???
Maybe the ghost writer's wife was raped so he didn't give his best lyrics?
<--- Couldn't resist.
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Sounds fake. BITTER BITTER.