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and I bought that cd................anyway tech n9ne dont get NO credit, same for ICP and their labels, Necro "pscylogical records, 1989", Kottonmouth Kings "suburban noize records"
Joey Crack is the latest Rap star to acknowledge Tech N9ne, 11 years after the "Thicker Than Water" soundtrack look.
Eleven years ago, Fat Joe starred alongside Mack 10 in Thicker Than Water. The Hoo Bangin' Films release had a companion soundtrack that featured east and west coast stars, rhyming together including Memphis Bleek, Westside Connection and MC Eiht. A newer rapper at the time, Tech N9ne, would appear on the solo track "Planet Rock."
Over a decade later, Fat Joe recently praised Tech N9ne for his ability to pack venues and remain commercially successful without mainstream support."I'm going to tell you who the biggest artist in America is that nobody really knows about: Tech 9ne. He tours all year round and I go to his shows and there's always 5,000 dudes mashing it up and everything," Joe recently told Global Grind. "He could be one of the richest rappers on earth because his following is incredible but you don't hear him on the radio." Joe called Tech N9ne a true "genius of marketing."
Earlier this year, Tech N9ne's The Gates Mixed Plate outsold Fat Joe's The Darkside, Volume 1, as both debuted on the same week. The emcees have not worked on a released track together.
source: http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.13277/title.fat-joe-praises-tech-n9ne-says-he-could-be-one-of-richest-rappers-on-earth/
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I'd praise Tech for being one the best rappers on Earth lol.
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Fuck Off with your ICP.
Tech gets enough credit.
Necro gets his too.
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fuck you with your ICP hatred. My boys moved more units than prob most everybody u like. I dont care if u hatem, but dont hate they success. Just like Tech, they been relevant for years and years and years and years, with no video no radio, and he pretty much molded his label after ICP's label right down to the merchandise, even goin after the juggalo demographic. ICP probably some of the richest rappers on earth.
Necro gets credit? From fucking who? What hip hop mags have gave him anything? I remember reading shit in Murder Dog but thats cuz they CATER to the juggalo demographic, wicked shit inc. No video play, no radio play. People dont even know his brother Ill Bill, and necro been pushin him for like a decade. Psychological and necro in general gets nothin. Thats why people need to givem his props. He's stayed relevant since 89 with no help.
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I'd praise Tech for being one the best rappers on Earth lol.
Yup!!
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LOL @ ICP. The only thing more laughable than ICP is how hurt their fans get when others don't like them.
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i'd agree tech a nina is probably the best rapper alive.
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LOL @ ICP. The only thing more laughable than ICP is how hurt their fans get when others don't like them.
lol true dat. A couple weeks ago dude wrote a radiotube-length essay about ICP.
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fuck you with your ICP hatred. My boys moved more units than prob most everybody u like. I dont care if u hatem, but dont hate they success. Just like Tech, they been relevant for years and years and years and years, with no video no radio, and he pretty much molded his label after ICP's label right down to the merchandise, even goin after the juggalo demographic. ICP probably some of the richest rappers on earth.
Necro gets credit? From fucking who? What hip hop mags have gave him anything? I remember reading shit in Murder Dog but thats cuz they CATER to the juggalo demographic, wicked shit inc. No video play, no radio play. People dont even know his brother Ill Bill, and necro been pushin him for like a decade. Psychological and necro in general gets nothin. Thats why people need to givem his props. He's stayed relevant since 89 with no help.
Who gives a shit about units.
ICP has just been relevant to pathetic juggalos like yourself.
Hip-hop magazines? it's twothousandfuckingten magazines don't have any credibility any more.
Tech N9ne appeals to pretty much every demographic, from juggalos to hip-hop heads to mainstream fans.
People don't even know who ill bill is? He released 1 certified classic album and released one of the best albums of this year.
Hip-Hop fans will give credit where credit is due.
You need to look up relevance because you can't be relevant and have nobody give you credit...
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It's good to see that a lot of the mainstream is actually catching on to Tech N9ne. Whether you're a fan or not, the guy probably has the best work ethic in music and I think every fan of hip-hop needs to make it a point to see him perform live at least once. The guy puts on one of the most unbelievable live shows.
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I could go on forever about this and that, how they ruled the billboard charts, indy charts, and all that this year, with no video or radio play, but im just gonna leave it at ICP is very successful and therefore by definition, for being successful for song long, they have longevity, relativity cuz their album with 4 on billboard 200 last year, rereleased it in 2010 and it went at number 50. Number 1 on indy charts first time around. 20 years plus and still goin strong, who's been as relevant for long in hip hop? Too short? Ice T? Cube? Who? Sure list isnt long
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"Fuckin magnets, how do they work"
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Tech can thank Lil' Wayne for his buzz right now..
pretty sure Tech N9ne doesnt have the best work ethich in Hiphop though.. far from it..
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far from it? Man you must not keep up with tech n9ne and his work ethic. Its 2nd to none. Maybe lil wayne or whoever, fill in the blank, work just as hard or a lil harder, but he's deffinatly in the top five. He's put in mad mad mad mad mad work to get where he's at.
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finally Fat Joe did something right, it's about time.
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finally Fat Joe did something right, it's about time.
Acknowledging Tech N9ne is the best thing Joe has done in the past 5 years lol.
But Tech is one of the illest. He's been getting a lot of love lately, which is long overdue.
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far from it? Man you must not keep up with tech n9ne and his work ethic. Its 2nd to none. Maybe lil wayne or whoever, fill in the blank, work just as hard or a lil harder, but he's deffinatly in the top five. He's put in mad mad mad mad mad work to get where he's at.
he did alot of touring - but constructively and creatively, no - i disagree..
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I also disagree. He stopped doin his party music type gang bangin stuff, and started doin wicked shit. He stopped grovveling at label exec's feet and started his own label. He went out and signed acts to his label, pushed them, made them successfull on the indy scene and he's moved into big time merchandise. Reminds me of ICP to the T in Tech a nina. Tech even said in an interview he was a juggalo and didnt even know it. He modeled his label and merch after what ICP has done. HE SAID THAT. Who woulda thought when calm before the storm or that old stuff, would lead to Anghellic. Totally different styles/feel/everything. From anghellic on he's been doin wicked shit, he performs with ICP, crook, twiztid, proazk, almost all the horrocore rappers "king gordy, bizarre, the list goes onand on".
Tech created his new persona, workin with roger troutman, doin his facepaint, basically reincarnated himself into a differnet persona, more like himself than what he perviously did with his group shit and his first few albums. K.O.D. is a perfect example, entirely diff creative sound and way more well thought out, intuitive and personal than his earlier shit. Now he can tell a story, before he couldnt. Now he can outflow or flow with the best of them. I take Tech over Crook or Em or anybody, even Genesis record holder Twista.
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Tech has been painting his face since he started rapping in the early 90's, during his Nnutthowze days. It has nothing to do with ICP and those fucktards!
ICP has nothing to do with hip hop, they just do their own shit. Unless ur a juggalo no1 gives a fucka bout them........
Tech on the other hand covers hip hop, he's a great MC and wordsmith, got his bboy shit down and the best live shows.
ICP & Tech should never be mentioned together, it's an insult! He's said juggalos are part of his fam cause they show him luv and support that all, he ain't a juggalo! The tracks he'd featured with Twizid, ICP, Gordy whatever, are the worst he's done. Glad those featured are on their albums and not his!
I don't care if u like ICP not everyone has taste but don't put Tech in that picture, they nowhere near on his level!
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he did alot of touring - but constructively and creatively, no - i disagree..
Well, on top of touring, he's been consistently putting out new solo and collabo albums regularly. He's dropping EP's, working on all his artists' projects, and really putting in work. There aren't too many cats who have been in the game as long as him that are putting in that kind of work ethic.
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I'd praise Tech for being one the best rappers on Earth lol.
techn9ne>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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I could go on forever about this and that, how they ruled the billboard charts, indy charts, and all that this year, with no video or radio play, but im just gonna leave it at ICP is very successful and therefore by definition, for being successful for song long, they have longevity, relativity cuz their album with 4 on billboard 200 last year, rereleased it in 2010 and it went at number 50. Number 1 on indy charts first time around. 20 years plus and still goin strong, who's been as relevant for long in hip hop? Too short? Ice T? Cube? Who? Sure list isnt long
How are you pretending to be an underground fan?
You keep talking about Magazines and sales.
It's about the quality of the releases according to the rules of the respective genre.
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Jimmy H
nope.
his documented catalgoue isnt impressive enuff to be called "great work-ethic"..
not conventionaly at least - and not comparing to other rappers..
he did alot of touring, which is somethin else.. i guess thats work-ethic too, but thats not what we're aiming for when discussing great work-ethic.. dont get it twisted - he's not a lab-rat.
"work-ethic" is contructive art, creative with your craft..
Snoop Dogg, Bizzy Bone, Daz Dillinger, Hi-Power Records, E-40, Moka Only, Kool Keith etc etc.. theres hundreds of rappers with a long lifespan in the business - with greater consitency than Tech n9ne..
the impression about Tech N9ne and his "work-ethic" (that it is above most rappers repertoïre), is over-exaggerated and overrated bullshit..
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Jimmy H
nope.
his documented catalgoue isnt impressive enuff to be called "great work-ethic"..
not conventionaly at least - and not comparing to other rappers..
he did alot of touring, which is somethin else.. i guess thats work-ethic too, but thats not what we're aiming for when discussing great work-ethic.. dont get it twisted - he's not a lab-rat.
"work-ethic" is contructive art, creative with your craft..
Snoop Dogg, Bizzy Bone, Daz Dillinger, Hi-Power Records, E-40, Moka Only, Kool Keith etc etc.. theres hundreds of rappers with a long lifespan in the business - with greater consitency than Tech n9ne..
the impression about Tech N9ne and his "work-ethic" (that it is above most rappers repertoïre), is over-exaggerated and overrated bullshit..
First person I've seen who has heard of Tech N9ne and wasn't impressed with his discography.
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I'd praise Tech for being one the best rappers on Earth lol.
techn9ne>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Not at all, but I'll accept one or two ">" for Tech or an "=".
He is in the percentage of rap where if you think he's better, it's acceptable lol.
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I'd praise Tech for being one the best rappers on Earth lol.
techn9ne>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Not at all, but I'll accept one or two ">" for Tech or an "=".
He is in the percentage of rap where if you think he's better, it's acceptable lol.
Like you always say: If we're talking just rapping, no way can Joe Budden fuck with Tech.
Like comparing Kool G Rap to Lil B
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I don't see work ethic as constructive art. I view it as the whole package. It's somewhat dependent on the job description. If your job is to produce music then that would likely mean being in the studio for a ridicilous amount of time but that's not the be-all-end. Touring is performing. There are probably artists who write and record more songs on a calender year than Tech but so what? Is someone who does 300 songs and phones it in for half of them a better worker than someone who does 250 and brings their A-game?
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I think Joe certainly can lol.
What you call "emo" because you dislike Joe Budden is actually music with depth, meaning & focused.
I've heard plenty of Tech N9ne, he isn't always consistent with that. He's an amazing rapper, but makes plenty of average songs (check K.O.D.) & that's coming from a fan of him. Joe Budden has his share of average songs too, but if you enjoy his music, you'd say a small chunk of his album music is average.
You're the complete opposite of a "fan" so naturally a song I feel is "great" by Joe Budden, you say is "average" because you don't like his flow or he "sounds boring" or something irrelevant to the lyrical content.
So I don't know what you meant by "just rapping" whether it's making songs or battling, but I think Joe can hold his own in either. Not saying he would beat Tech, but not saying he would "obviously" lose. I guess, we'd have to listen to the music; something most of you should do & throw the bias out the window lol.
So bottom line, if you want to say "Tech at his best > Joe at his best", fine. I personally disagree, but I respect that being your opinion easily because Tech is awesome. But I would argue "Tech being more consistent than Budden".
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Man... you compared ICP with Tech N9ne?
/close thread
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I think Joe certainly can lol.
What you call "emo" because you dislike Joe Budden is actually music with depth, meaning & focused.
I've heard plenty of Tech N9ne, he isn't always consistent with that. He's an amazing rapper, but makes plenty of average songs (check K.O.D.) & that's coming from a fan of him. Joe Budden has his share of average songs too, but if you enjoy his music, you'd say a small chunk of his album music is average.
You're the complete opposite of a "fan" so naturally a song I feel is "great" by Joe Budden, you say is "average" because you don't like his flow or he "sounds boring" or something irrelevant to the lyrical content.
So I don't know what you meant by "just rapping" whether it's making songs or battling, but I think Joe can hold his own in either. Not saying he would beat Tech, but not saying he would "obviously" lose. I guess, we'd have to listen to the music; something most of you should do & throw the bias out the window lol.
So bottom line, if you want to say "Tech at his best > Joe at his best", fine. I personally disagree, but I respect that being your opinion easily because Tech is awesome. But I would argue "Tech being more consistent than Budden".
Just rapping means skill and the application of said skill.
Tech is one of the best technical rappers out there, joe can simply not compete just like you would call people mad for comparing crooked I to gucci.
Joe can hold his own? joe can't even make up his own rhyme schemes.
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I don't see work ethic as constructive art. I view it as the whole package. It's somewhat dependent on the job description. If your job is to produce music then that would likely mean being in the studio for a ridicilous amount of time but that's not the be-all-end. Touring is performing. There are probably artists who write and record more songs on a calender year than Tech but so what? Is someone who does 300 songs and phones it in for half of them a better worker than someone who does 250 and brings their A-game?
your missing the point - all the artist i mentioned performs as much as Tech (if not more) - plus, they got extremely big catalogues, unlike Tech N9ne).. plus, some of them are active with creativity in other fields in entertainment..
we're talkin about the whole package, just like u said - correct?
bein on the road for a year straight, performing songs (which is also "work-ethic") - doesnt equal a bigger work-ethic than everybody else..
work ethic for an artist - is first and foremost - constructive art/creative with your craft..
creations -- records, msuic, movies, fashion, literature, movie-scripts, production, EVERYTHING in between.. keywords, is "creating/producing something"..
its called "spiel (oder stirb)"..
an artist "creates"..
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I don't see work ethic as constructive art. I view it as the whole package. It's somewhat dependent on the job description. If your job is to produce music then that would likely mean being in the studio for a ridicilous amount of time but that's not the be-all-end. Touring is performing. There are probably artists who write and record more songs on a calender year than Tech but so what? Is someone who does 300 songs and phones it in for half of them a better worker than someone who does 250 and brings their A-game?
your missing the point - all the artist i mentioned performs as much as Tech (if not more) - plus, they got extremely big catalogues, unlike Tech N9ne).. plus, some of them are active with creativity in other fields in entertainment..
we're talkin about the whole package, just like u said - correct?
bein on the road for a year straight, performing songs (which is also "work-ethic") - doesnt equal a bigger work-ethic than everybody else..
work ethic for an artist - is first and foremost - constructive art/creative with your craft..
creations -- records, msuic, movies, fashion, literature, movie-scripts, production, EVERYTHING in between.. keywords, is "creating/producing something"..
its called "spiel (oder stirb)"..
an artist "creates"..
most of those artist have had a record label for alonger time frame.
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I think Joe certainly can lol.
What you call "emo" because you dislike Joe Budden is actually music with depth, meaning & focused.
I've heard plenty of Tech N9ne, he isn't always consistent with that. He's an amazing rapper, but makes plenty of average songs (check K.O.D.) & that's coming from a fan of him. Joe Budden has his share of average songs too, but if you enjoy his music, you'd say a small chunk of his album music is average.
You're the complete opposite of a "fan" so naturally a song I feel is "great" by Joe Budden, you say is "average" because you don't like his flow or he "sounds boring" or something irrelevant to the lyrical content.
So I don't know what you meant by "just rapping" whether it's making songs or battling, but I think Joe can hold his own in either. Not saying he would beat Tech, but not saying he would "obviously" lose. I guess, we'd have to listen to the music; something most of you should do & throw the bias out the window lol.
So bottom line, if you want to say "Tech at his best > Joe at his best", fine. I personally disagree, but I respect that being your opinion easily because Tech is awesome. But I would argue "Tech being more consistent than Budden".
Just rapping means skill and the application of said skill.
Tech is one of the best technical rappers out there, joe can simply not compete just like you would call people mad for comparing crooked I to gucci.
Joe can hold his own? joe can't even make up his own rhyme schemes.
Well what's skill to you? I'd saying rapping with a dope message & saying something with meaning is "skillful". Having wordplay that's more complex than just "I'm hot..fire" or something Drake or Lil' Wayne would create is "skillful".
& again, you're only hurting your argument by comparing Tech & Joe to "Crooked & Gucci". If that's really how you view Tech vs. Budden then discussing this with you is retarded. They are pretty close if you're hearing them both with unbiased ears.
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To butt into this "work ethic" argument..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but work ethic is taking what you have & perfecting it. Lil' Wayne reportedly is in the studio all the time making songs. Even if you don't like his music, he's taking what he has and trying to make it better.
For example, Michael Jordan staying two hours after a Bulls practice is "work ethic"; getting better.
I don't know, I'm seeing the word "creative" being thrown into it & I don't see where that fits. Being creative is a different category, in my opinion. Like Chamillionaire making a song like "Hip Hop Police" or "Morning News" is creative, but if he isn't constantly working on his craft, getting better that doesn't mean he has good work ethic, he just has a creative mind.
I could wake up tomorrow, have a great idea for a song for an artist to rap about that hasn't been done before, Tweet him about it, he can do it, but that doesn't mean he has great work ethic, he just appears creative.
I don't know what Tech does in between his albums, so I don't know his work ethic, but I wouldn't determine whether he does or doesn't based off of whether he has a new style or new content.
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argumetn is -- Tech N9ne better work ethic than everybpodye else? no, definitely not..
touring is work-ethic, but not necsserialy what u should weigh and value as "more" or "more important", than the other creative aspects of an artist and its job..
most of the other artist i mentioned, contributes constructively and creatively in various crafts in entertainment -- combine that wit strict touring..
thats "work-ethic"..
people tend to look at Tech N9ne and his touring acchievements, and call him the "hardest working artist"
I don't see work ethic as constructive art. I view it as the whole package. It's somewhat dependent on the job description. If your job is to produce music then that would likely mean being in the studio for a ridicilous amount of time but that's not the be-all-end. Touring is performing. There are probably artists who write and record more songs on a calender year than Tech but so what? Is someone who does 300 songs and phones it in for half of them a better worker than someone who does 250 and brings their A-game?
your missing the point - all the artist i mentioned performs as much as Tech (if not more) - plus, they got extremely big catalogues, unlike Tech N9ne).. plus, some of them are active with creativity in other fields in entertainment..
we're talkin about the whole package, just like u said - correct?
bein on the road for a year straight, performing songs (which is also "work-ethic") - doesnt equal a bigger work-ethic than everybody else..
work ethic for an artist - is first and foremost - constructive art/creative with your craft..
creations -- records, msuic, movies, fashion, literature, movie-scripts, production, EVERYTHING in between.. keywords, is "creating/producing something"..
its called "spiel (oder stirb)"..
an artist "creates"..
most of those artist have had a record label for alonger time frame.
no, only one of the artis i mentioned is under a large umbrella - Snoop (and he still works harder than everybody else basicaly)
..but what u are tryin to say is??
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I don't know, I'm seeing the word "creative" being thrown into it & I don't see where that fits. Being creative is a different category, in my opinion. Like Chamillionaire making a song like "Hip Hop Police" or "Morning News" is creative, but if he isn't constantly working on his craft, getting better that doesn't mean he has good work ethic, he just has a creative mind.
no dude, "creative" and "constructive" is in the same exact ballgame -- your talking about the word "creative" as in subjectivity ("better" or "worse"), and your aiming for the wrong defintion..
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I'm not following how touring plays into work ethic.
I mean, touring is pleasing your fans by rapping your best songs for them live. You're not getting better at your craft by touring, just getting money & showing your fans love.
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I'm not following how touring plays into work ethic.
I mean, touring is pleasing your fans by rapping your best songs for them live. You're not getting better at your craft by touring, just getting money & showing your fans love.
And I think this is a fairly common perception, not helped by the state of many live shows. A lot of these rappers do go out and karaoke their way through their best songs and give the city there in a cheap pop and fall back after 30-45 minutes. Maybe an hour if they are headlining. The simple act of touring is not honing your craft but I'd argue that neither is simply dropping a lot of albums and mixtapes without building on anything.
argumetn is -- Tech N9ne better work ethic than everybpodye else? no, definitely not..
touring is work-ethic, but not necsserialy what u should weigh and value as "more" or "more important", than the other creative aspects of an artist and its job..
most of the other artist i mentioned, contributes constructively and creatively in various crafts in entertainment -- combine that wit strict touring..
thats "work-ethic"..
people tend to look at Tech N9ne and his touring acchievements, and call him the "hardest working artist"
It's not about touring acheivments. It's about the quality of the live shows he puts on and the clear amount of hard work required by himself and the artists in his circle to put on such shows. I've seen a number of the artists you mentioned live and while they all did great, I'd say Tech blew them all away. His sets are usually considerably longer than most and given the fact that he has next to no national crossover hits, he's doing it all with live performance as opposed to song familairty.
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^I personally don't think we can judge work ethic of a rapper unless we know what they are doing day to day.
The only reason I say Wayne has good work ethic is because members of his camp (could be lying) say that he's in the studio literally seven days a week. At some point during the day, he goes to the studio & works on something. If that's true, that's good work ethic.
I suppose you can sometimes tell bad work ethic, like 50 Cent. Once he made his millions, you saw a dramatic decline in his material & can almost tell that he rarely attempt to progress; just make music to keep his name out there & be relevant.
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They are pretty close if you're hearing them both with unbiased ears.
This is an unbiased comment ::)
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I'm not following how touring plays into work ethic.
I mean, touring is pleasing your fans by rapping your best songs for them live. You're not getting better at your craft by touring, just getting money & showing your fans love.
And I think this is a fairly common perception, not helped by the state of many live shows. A lot of these rappers do go out and karaoke their way through their best songs and give the city there in a cheap pop and fall back after 30-45 minutes. Maybe an hour if they are headlining. The simple act of touring is not honing your craft but I'd argue that neither is simply dropping a lot of albums and mixtapes without building on anything.
argumetn is -- Tech N9ne better work ethic than everybpodye else? no, definitely not..
touring is work-ethic, but not necsserialy what u should weigh and value as "more" or "more important", than the other creative aspects of an artist and its job..
most of the other artist i mentioned, contributes constructively and creatively in various crafts in entertainment -- combine that wit strict touring..
thats "work-ethic"..
people tend to look at Tech N9ne and his touring acchievements, and call him the "hardest working artist"
It's not about touring acheivments. It's about the quality of the live shows he puts on and the clear amount of hard work required by himself and the artists in his circle to put on such shows. I've seen a number of the artists you mentioned live and while they all did great, I'd say Tech blew them all away. His sets are usually considerably longer than most and given the fact that he has next to no national crossover hits, he's doing it all with live performance as opposed to song familairty.
your obvioulsy talkin from a subjective standpoint.
no show is better (objectively) than another show, cus u say/think so..
but i guess its logic, for Tech N9ne-fans to like Tech N9ne-shows...
just like Slipknot-fans like Slipknot-performances..
or how Britnery Spears-fans prefer Britney-shows..
****The simple act of touring is not honing your craft but I'd argue that neither is simply dropping a lot of albums and mixtapes without building on anything.*****
dropping 2 mixtapes, 1 album, 1 compilation every year - plus touring the country.. maybe some more stuff besides that - movies etc.. (E-40, Daz, Snoop etc etc etc)
thats bigger work-ethic than... ---------
simply touring the country and dropping one album every 2 years.. (Tech N9ne)
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While certainly the argument of who puts on the best show is subjective, so is judging work ethic from an outside standpoint. The quantity of projects released is not necessarily a direct reflection of the amount of hard work put in. Obviously if I’m a Tech N9ne fan, I will enjoy a Tech show more than an artist I don’t like. However, of the artists I’ve seen live, a lot of them are artists who on a catalog level, I enjoy more than Tech so throw the “Tech fans like Tech shows” logic doesn’t work, especially since I know a handful of people who never heard one song from Tech before seeing him live and became fans afterward.
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While certainly the argument of who puts on the best show is subjective, so is judging work ethic from an outside standpoint. The quantity of projects released is not necessarily a direct reflection of the amount of hard work put in. Obviously if I’m a Tech N9ne fan, I will enjoy a Tech show more than an artist I don’t like. However, of the artists I’ve seen live, a lot of them are artists who on a catalog level, I enjoy more than Tech so throw the “Tech fans like Tech shows” logic doesn’t work, especially since I know a handful of people who never heard one song from Tech before seeing him live and became fans afterward.
While certainly the argument of who puts on the best show is subjective, so is judging work ethic from an outside standpoint.
not really. you use objectivty..
its easy for people to understand from an outside standpoint, that artists like Lil Wayne, Moka Only and Snoop Dogg etc etc etc "work hard" - cause we're objectively lookin at their catalgoues..
The quantity of projects released is not necessarily a direct reflection of the amount of hard work put in.
yes, it usually is.
again, use objectivity -
a documented catalogue of released product reflects (generally and more likely) the level of work that the artist put in...
(((and there is no sense in - referencing an artists QUALITY as a performer (that you SUBJACTIVELY portray as "quality"), to validate your belief in him as a "hard-working" artist.)))
[/b]the “Tech fans like Tech shows” logic doesn’t work, especially since I know a handful of people who never heard one song from Tech before seeing him live and became fans afterward[/b]
it works fine and it is logic.
and the hadnful of Tech-blessed people that u know - aren't enouugh, to certifiy this artists perfromances as certified quality.
its a subjective thing.. either u like the atist, or not.
I suppose Slipknot puts on a "better" performance than everybody else (like alot of people/critics say), but since im not a fan of their music -- the statement isnt carved in stone, so it cant be true.
its all about subjectivity.
objectivty & subjectivty are 2 different things..
ya dig?
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Well what's skill to you? I'd saying rapping with a dope message & saying something with meaning is "skillful". Having wordplay that's more complex than just "I'm hot..fire" or something Drake or Lil' Wayne would create is "skillful".
& again, you're only hurting your argument by comparing Tech & Joe to "Crooked & Gucci". If that's really how you view Tech vs. Budden then discussing this with you is retarded. They are pretty close if you're hearing them both with unbiased ears.
Things like deep and messages are subjective. What some consider deep messages some may consider ignorant bullshit.
To me skill in rapping means:
1. Clever wordplay. Those endless similies aren't usually that clever)
2. Lyricism. Having no problems finding rhymes.
3. Delivery.
4. Flow.
5. Ability to make a good album. Kind of subjective I know.
6. Originality (no biting).
Joe budden is lacking in most of these categories.
Whereas tech n9ne lacks in none.
He has bitten a line before but usually in a clever way
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^I can see an argument for delivery and flow. Even though I don't agree, the average fan would say he doesn't have the best of either of those.
But Budden strives in the rest of those categories.
I mean, if you're not a fan of his music, you wouldn't agree to him making good albums, but people who are the slightest fans of him would say Mood Muzik III, Mood Muzik IV, Halfway House & Padded Room are "good" albums.
& Tech has his great albums, but plenty of people, including major fans of his music said "K.O.D." had it's moments, but had plenty of filler.
So I'd say flow & delivery are what Tech has on Budden & the rest depends on your personal opinion.
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^I can see an argument for delivery and flow. Even though I don't agree, the average fan would say he doesn't have the best of either of those.
But Budden strives in the rest of those categories.
I mean, if you're not a fan of his music, you wouldn't agree to him making good albums, but people who are the slightest fans of him would say Mood Muzik III, Mood Muzik IV, Halfway House & Padded Room are "good" albums.
& Tech has his great albums, but plenty of people, including major fans of his music said "K.O.D." had it's moments, but had plenty of filler.
So I'd say flow & delivery are what Tech has on Budden & the rest depends on your personal opinion.
Those albums are too monotone in my (and I guess most people's) opinion.
Tracks all sound too similar, Only time I've seen him break that was on MMIV with the TItants track & Great Escape with We Outta Here (Which I kept in heavy rotation).
Tech always has a good mix with different types of songs.
I'm not at all biased against Buddens, just respond a bit more negative to compensate for the behaviour of stans (I still think we need to give Budden fans a label like jugalos have...).
Budden a better lyricist? can't be, he's jacking jigga's rhyme patterns.
Originality? Reaching, dude is one of the most original artists since ODB
What do you consider filler on KOD?
Leave me alone was really the only song that didnt'fit in perfectly to the album.
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In The Trunk
Pinocchiho
Horns
Low
Killing You
Check Yo Temperature
B-Boy
If he cut these, it would of made for a strong album.
Whatever, opinions are opinions.
BTW, I didn't say Budden was a better lyricist. But I don't think Tech is absurdly, significantly better.
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I'm not following how touring plays into work ethic.
I mean, touring is pleasing your fans by rapping your best songs for them live. You're not getting better at your craft by touring, just getting money & showing your fans love.
And I think this is a fairly common perception, not helped by the state of many live shows. A lot of these rappers do go out and karaoke their way through their best songs and give the city there in a cheap pop and fall back after 30-45 minutes. Maybe an hour if they are headlining. The simple act of touring is not honing your craft but I'd argue that neither is simply dropping a lot of albums and mixtapes without building on anything.
argumetn is -- Tech N9ne better work ethic than everybpodye else? no, definitely not..
touring is work-ethic, but not necsserialy what u should weigh and value as "more" or "more important", than the other creative aspects of an artist and its job..
most of the other artist i mentioned, contributes constructively and creatively in various crafts in entertainment -- combine that wit strict touring..
thats "work-ethic"..
people tend to look at Tech N9ne and his touring acchievements, and call him the "hardest working artist"
It's not about touring acheivments. It's about the quality of the live shows he puts on and the clear amount of hard work required by himself and the artists in his circle to put on such shows. I've seen a number of the artists you mentioned live and while they all did great, I'd say Tech blew them all away. His sets are usually considerably longer than most and given the fact that he has next to no national crossover hits, he's doing it all with live performance as opposed to song familairty.
your obvioulsy talkin from a subjective standpoint.
no show is better (objectively) than another show, cus u say/think so..
but i guess its logic, for Tech N9ne-fans to like Tech N9ne-shows...
just like Slipknot-fans like Slipknot-performances..
or how Britnery Spears-fans prefer Britney-shows..
****The simple act of touring is not honing your craft but I'd argue that neither is simply dropping a lot of albums and mixtapes without building on anything.*****
dropping 2 mixtapes, 1 album, 1 compilation every year - plus touring the country.. maybe some more stuff besides that - movies etc.. (E-40, Daz, Snoop etc etc etc)
thats bigger work-ethic than... ---------
simply touring the country and dropping one album every 2 years.. (Tech N9ne)
2006 - Everyready
2007 - Mizery Loves Kompany
2008 - Killer a double album
2009 - Sickology 101 and K.O.D
2010 - Gated mixed Plate, Lost Script of KOD (EP), Seepage (EP) and DJ Whoo Kid mixtape dropping 25th Dec
Aslo signing artist to his lable (Brotha Lynch, Big Scoob and Jay Rock) and getting their albums ready. Doing 250+ tour date per year i'd say he's does well!
Peace
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2006 - Everyready
2007 - Mizery Loves Kompany
2008 - Killer a double album
2009 - Sickology 101 and K.O.D
2010 - Gated mixed Plate, Lost Script of KOD (EP), Seepage (EP) and DJ Whoo Kid mixtape dropping 25th Dec
Aslo signing artist to his lable (Brotha Lynch, Big Scoob and Jay Rock) and getting their albums ready. Doing 250+ tour date per year i'd say he's does well!
no, not enough - comparing to the other naems i mentioned previosuly, thats nothing.. not impressed
this is the PERFECT definition of TRUE "work-ethic".. (Tech N9ne is not the hardest working hiphop-artist by a looooong shot)------
((Moka Only)) ---- just ONE example..
Upcoast Relix (1995)
Dusty Bumps (1996)
Durable Mammal (1997)
Fall Collection 97 (1997)
Apenuts (1998)
Monster Piece (1998)
Mount Unpleasant (1999)
Mr. Behaviour (1999)
Everyday Details (1999)
Flow Torch (2000)
Beauty Is A Free Road (2000)
Mokefluenza (2001)
Quick Hits (2001)
Road Life (2001)
Moka Only Is.... Ron Contour (2001)
Lime Green (2001)
Flood (2002)
Lowdown Suite (2003)
Martian Xmas 2004 (2004)
The Desired Effect (2005) (Canadian)
Fall Collection 05 (2005)
The Desired Effect II (2006) (American)
Dirty Jazz (2006) (Japanese)
Creepee Eepee (2006)
The Station Agent (October 24, 2006)
Airport (2007)
Vermillion (2007)
Creepee Eepee 2 (2007)
Martian Xmas 2006 (2007)
Martian Xmas 2007 (2007)
Airport 2 (2008)
Clap Trap (2008)
Hot Dog (as Ron Contour) (2008)
Psycodelic (as Torch) (2008)
Carrots and Eggs (2008)
Martian Xmas 2008 (2009)
Do Work (Maxi Single) (2009)
Lowdown Suite 2...The Box (2009)
Run and Find EP (2009)
Airport 3 (2009)
Flaunt (Digi-12) (as Ron Contour) (2009)
Summer of Ron (as Ron Contour) (2009)
The Beach (as Ron Contour) (2009)
Martian Xmas 2009 (2009)
Rontario (as Ron Contour) (2010)
Isn't Over EP (2010)
Airport 4 (2010)
Martian Xmas 2010 (2010)
Collaboration Albums
Moka Only & Ishkan "Nowfolk" - Style Gangsters (1999)
Moka Only & Jeff Spec "The Rappers" - Rappin' Atchu (1999)
Moka Only, Prevail, Abstract Rude "Code Name: Scorpion" - Code Name: Scorpion (2001)
Moka Only & Kirby Dominant "Dominant Mammals" - Super Future Stars (2002)
Moka Only & Ishkan "Nowfolk" - Nowfolk II "The Moon" (2004)
Moka Only & Def 3 - Dog River (2007)
Moka Only & Atsushi Numata - Moka Only Vs. Numata (Japanese) (2007)
Moka Only & Psy "The Nope" - Rain All Day EP (2009)
Moka Only & Nebz Supreme - Summer Notations (2009)
Moka Only & Psy "The Nope" - Melba (2009)
Moka Only & Factor - Saffron (as Ron Contour) (2010, Fake Four Inc)
Moka Only & E.D.G.E. - Dynamite Sandwich (as Ron Contour & E.D.G.E. as Jimmy The Bang) (2010)
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but with Moka Only you end up sifting thru a lot of trash to find the good shit.
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^^all that and still never heard of him!
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^^all that and still never heard of him!
bytheway, dude..
----------------- picture that u use - is that Tech N9ne wit Mickey and Minnie Mouse?
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yeah, he's a fool......
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I could go on forever about this and that, how they ruled the billboard charts, indy charts, and all that this year, with no video or radio play, but im just gonna leave it at ICP is very successful and therefore by definition, for being successful for song long, they have longevity, relativity cuz their album with 4 on billboard 200 last year, rereleased it in 2010 and it went at number 50. Number 1 on indy charts first time around. 20 years plus and still goin strong, who's been as relevant for long in hip hop? Too short? Ice T? Cube? Who? Sure list isnt long
for one ICP is not hip hop at all . ICp is white trash music . ICP fans aka juggalos are nothing but trash like ICP is . ICP is not relevant & has not been relevant since the late 90's. don't ever comare ICP to Too Short, ICe t or ICe cube . ice cube is still relevant . too short is starting to become relevant again & ICe t was in the movie other guys . so ice t is still more relevant then ICp & there trash fans base . icp does not rules billboard charts at all
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I dont have to read all the hate, just take the last message.
they arent hip hop? why are they listed as such. Why do artists like mack 10, bone thugs, three six mafia, Ice T, yadda yadda make songs with them? Why would dayton family sign to a label that ISNT hip hop? You dont even know about ICP but you claim so cuz your listin off shit like u know Joe & joey but you really dont know shit.
havent dominated the billboard lately you say? I think debuting at number 4 on the billboard 200 and number 1 on the indy charts is pretty fuckin big time, especially considering the lack of sales in general these days. Especially considering no video play no radio play. Thats like what N.W.A. did in the 80's. Not too many bands or artists can say they done that shit. Run it. Then they rerelease the album 6 months or so after that, with a few new tracks, and on a new distributor. Its number 50 on billboard 200. That covers 2009 and 2010. Forget their supporting cast of artists on their label, thats good enough right there. What other indy labels are so successful? Psychopathic thats who.
Even if you dont consider ICP's albums "hip hop" they basically steal beats from juvenile, from whoever and put out a 15 track LP for fun usin diff rap names and doin old school gangsta rap. Its not like they tryin to sell the shit its illegal, you can only buy it at their concerts or their website. These albums however sell ALOT. Pure profit. Its even put out on a fake record label. Classic.
dont have to say nothin else just look at the facts they speak for themself. They own 2 hip hop labels and their own studio. They are bigger hip hop artists than MOST in the game. First album out in 90. Thats 22 years. They have 2 movies. They own book. More merchandise than most artists will ever make. They have like 15 albums or some ridiculous shit. Last I checked 4 are gold, 3 are platinum, with one double platinum. Some artists never move that many units. Say they sell a cd for 15 bucks in a store. They make about 10 off that, way more than your avg artist on a majior label deal.
people hatin on ICP is what drove ICP to the level they are at. Thats why they own they record label and studio and all that, nobody would sign them they did it themself. Really, take the music out of the equation, and ICP's story would be that of the american dream. 2 highschool dropouts that are millionaires. Who's really doin what ICP does.
but really fuck all that, this thread is bout Tech a nina and his label. Fat joe is goin on bout how Tech is smart at biz, shit ICP been doin it on a bigger level and for 18 years or so longer than Tech. Not sayin I dont love strange, I give respect. Tech made his name and niche. I love tech. He needs to get some more beats off Ronz in germany tho. Tech gets radio play tho, and he's big outside of KC where ICP gets no radio play and isnt accepted everywhere like tech is.
Nina and ICP made plenty of songs together. They friends, outside of the biz too. Peeps actin like juggalos are just white people or just a few thousand or white trash or whatever. Tech N9ne is a self proclaimed juggalo and was so before he got big. Even d 12 is cool with ICP now. If eminem can get over he cant make ICP go away, the haters should too. MTV wouldnt play ICP so what did ICP do? paid like 1 million for a 1 hr timeslot on mtv and ran a documentary about ICP. Fuckin classic. Run it.
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I dont have to read all the hate, just take the last message.
they arent hip hop? why are they listed as such. Why do artists like mack 10, bone thugs, three six mafia, Ice T, yadda yadda make songs with them? Why would dayton family sign to a label that ISNT hip hop? You dont even know about ICP but you claim so cuz your listin off shit like u know Joe & joey but you really dont know shit.=
because it means they get paid.
as for the rest: tl;dr
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people are seriously comparing joe budden and tech n9ne???
joe budden is a cool rapper but he always sounds the same on every track.. very monotone.. yes he has deep songs but that's pretty much it
tech n9ne has insane and versatile flows, deep songs, club songs, gangsta songs, etc. I mean it's like comparing an A actor to a B/C actor... comparing 2pac to any of the outlawz.. not even close..
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Tech N9ne would slaughter joe budden. Nowhere fucking close. So anyway I post on the strange music official forum, and tech posts there from time to time. Found this in the forum:
Tech:
Just curious why eveyone is so quick to say fuck ICP?
And for those who dislike them, how much of their music have you actually listened to?
It seems like a lot of people just jump on the fuck ICP bandwagon without having heard them.
Sure some of their stuff can be considered sub par, but they have some really good tracks.
- Tech N9ne
source:
http://therealtechn9ne.ning.com/forum/topics/why-does-eveybody-hate-icp?commentId=2420574%3AComment%3A884062&xg_source=activity
Side note: I hate that crooked I an Tech song, they coulda done so much better together. I think tech outshine crook tho by far on the track.
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I dont have to read all the hate, just take the last message.
they arent hip hop? why are they listed as such. Why do artists like mack 10, bone thugs, three six mafia, Ice T, yadda yadda make songs with them? Why would dayton family sign to a label that ISNT hip hop? You dont even know about ICP but you claim so cuz your listin off shit like u know Joe & joey but you really dont know shit.
havent dominated the billboard lately you say? I think debuting at number 4 on the billboard 200 and number 1 on the indy charts is pretty fuckin big time, especially considering the lack of sales in general these days. Especially considering no video play no radio play. Thats like what N.W.A. did in the 80's. Not too many bands or artists can say they done that shit. Run it. Then they rerelease the album 6 months or so after that, with a few new tracks, and on a new distributor. Its number 50 on billboard 200. That covers 2009 and 2010. Forget their supporting cast of artists on their label, thats good enough right there. What other indy labels are so successful? Psychopathic thats who.
Even if you dont consider ICP's albums "hip hop" they basically steal beats from juvenile, from whoever and put out a 15 track LP for fun usin diff rap names and doin old school gangsta rap. Its not like they tryin to sell the shit its illegal, you can only buy it at their concerts or their website. These albums however sell ALOT. Pure profit. Its even put out on a fake record label. Classic.
dont have to say nothin else just look at the facts they speak for themself. They own 2 hip hop labels and their own studio. They are bigger hip hop artists than MOST in the game. First album out in 90. Thats 22 years. They have 2 movies. They own book. More merchandise than most artists will ever make. They have like 15 albums or some ridiculous shit. Last I checked 4 are gold, 3 are platinum, with one double platinum. Some artists never move that many units. Say they sell a cd for 15 bucks in a store. They make about 10 off that, way more than your avg artist on a majior label deal.
people hatin on ICP is what drove ICP to the level they are at. Thats why they own they record label and studio and all that, nobody would sign them they did it themself. Really, take the music out of the equation, and ICP's story would be that of the american dream. 2 highschool dropouts that are millionaires. Who's really doin what ICP does.
but really fuck all that, this thread is bout Tech a nina and his label. Fat joe is goin on bout how Tech is smart at biz, shit ICP been doin it on a bigger level and for 18 years or so longer than Tech. Not sayin I dont love strange, I give respect. Tech made his name and niche. I love tech. He needs to get some more beats off Ronz in germany tho. Tech gets radio play tho, and he's big outside of KC where ICP gets no radio play and isnt accepted everywhere like tech is.
Nina and ICP made plenty of songs together. They friends, outside of the biz too. Peeps actin like juggalos are just white people or just a few thousand or white trash or whatever. Tech N9ne is a self proclaimed juggalo and was so before he got big. Even d 12 is cool with ICP now. If eminem can get over he cant make ICP go away, the haters should too. MTV wouldnt play ICP so what did ICP do? paid like 1 million for a 1 hr timeslot on mtv and ran a documentary about ICP. Fuckin classic. Run it.
one you facts don't mean crap. ICP is not hip hop . ICP fan base aka juggalos is mostly white trash .ICP fans aka juggalos are the scum of the earth . ICP is not hip hop at all because the black community does not support ICP at all . rappers like tech n9ne & d-12 do not count at all because the are minorty . most juggalos don't know what good hip hop is at all . see to be hip hop you have to have a large black fanbase in america. ICP music is wack. icp first real real alblm they dissed NWA . showing how stupid of they are. that album aka was worst piece of crap i heard ever . vanilla ice was better, ICP was called Inner City Posse before Insane Clown Posse . they became Insane Clown Posse because they lyrics were wack & they were wack . so the stole or Ripped off Esham and others from detroit. They had to becaume a gimmick to get over aka face painted rapping clowns . that there makes them worst joke in the world . this album aka bass-ment cuts is what would happen if NWA were white and sucked. they only reason they sale is because they got bunch of brainwashed white trash fans who don't know what good hip hop is . juggalos is most ignoranted fan base there is in the world. there are millions of stupid ignorant white trash here in the U.s. . so in END ICP is nothing but a joke ass gimmick that retarded dumb disrespectful people like.also i am from missouri & tech n9ne is one of my favorite but he is esham wannabe also.
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check this out, I didnt even read all that. I'm done tryin to proove how ICP and their label are very simular to Tech and his. Tech pretty much feels the same as me so im good tryin to convince a message board.
to be hip hop you have to have a large black audience? untrue. If it wasnt for white people hip hop woulda never been as profitable as its been. Back to N.W.A. it was mostly white people buyin the shit.
All ICP fans dont know real hip hop? Then why do all the acts that are booked around/with ICP are hip hop acts? Makes no sense to play nirvana with tupac.
ICP isnt hip hop? YES they arent. They are a sub genre of hip hop "like esham" horror rap, death rap, horrorcore, whatever u wanna call it. Its not just str8 hip hop.
Tech is way better lyricist than E-sam. I like natas and sam dont get me wrong, but since sham left psychopathic his stuff aint as good. Plus he never was a lyricist anyway.
cant compare inner city posse's music to insane clown posse. YES that basement cuts album is horrible. I can say the same for cube or anybody who has alot of albums, snoop, whoever. They have shitty albums too. When they was inner city, it was more for fun, they had 3 members not 2, and they hadnt even put out a real album yet thats more of a mixtape. Fastforward and you find they are now involved in producing their own shit, pretty much have their own producer for psychopathic "mike e clark" who has done numerous hip hop projects with tons of bands.
Its like comparing your handwriting when u was in 1st grade till now. I'm sure most people improve on stuff they work on for years.
jus cuz u dont like the wicked shit dont hate on everybody that does it. and with that im done.
Anghellic
This is pretty damn dope, Juggalos! TIME.com has released 50 lists picking out the highs and lows of 2010 in a variety of categories. Included with those lists is the Top 10 Viral Videos of 2010. Coming in at #7 is “Miracles” from the Insane Clown Posse!
This is what they had to say:
The two rappers who make up the Insane Clown Posse typically rhyme about violence and mayhem while wearing clownlike face paint. But their music video for the song “Miracles” takes a decidedly gentler turn. It’s already odd to see them talking about life’s little miracles. What’s weirder is the “miracles” they mention — a pelican that tried to eat a cell phone, the pyramids and — the lyric that went the most viral — “F___ing magnets, how do they work?” Sprinkle in ridiculous-looking CGI and you get a bizarre yet fascinating music video that took the Internet by storm.
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Friday, 05 November 2010
Check this out, NYC has the juggalo love. Tonight in Brooklyn is the opening of a new photo exhibit based on the life of the juggalos.
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I like both Tech N9ne and ICP musically and I respect both their hustles too. Independent route all day.
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hell yeah finally somebody. Indy is where its at these days fuck the mainstream. Brotha Lynch's dinner and a movie, album of 2010 easy. That cd is just hot. Strange got some big thangs goin on. Kung fu vampire signed with Mars label they supposed to be doin big things in 2011. Kheck out K F V if you havent heard of him. King gordy too.
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^^all that and still never heard of him!
bout time you did. Download or buy:
Anghellic
Everyready the Religon
Seepage
K.O.D.
Killer
Absolute Power
Vintage Tech
The mixed plate
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I dont have to read all the hate, just take the last message.
they arent hip hop? why are they listed as such. Why do artists like mack 10, bone thugs, three six mafia, Ice T, yadda yadda make songs with them? Why would dayton family sign to a label that ISNT hip hop? You dont even know about ICP but you claim so cuz your listin off shit like u know Joe & joey but you really dont know shit.
havent dominated the billboard lately you say? I think debuting at number 4 on the billboard 200 and number 1 on the indy charts is pretty fuckin big time, especially considering the lack of sales in general these days. Especially considering no video play no radio play. Thats like what N.W.A. did in the 80's. Not too many bands or artists can say they done that shit. Run it. Then they rerelease the album 6 months or so after that, with a few new tracks, and on a new distributor. Its number 50 on billboard 200. That covers 2009 and 2010. Forget their supporting cast of artists on their label, thats good enough right there. What other indy labels are so successful? Psychopathic thats who.
Even if you dont consider ICP's albums "hip hop" they basically steal beats from juvenile, from whoever and put out a 15 track LP for fun usin diff rap names and doin old school gangsta rap. Its not like they tryin to sell the shit its illegal, you can only buy it at their concerts or their website. These albums however sell ALOT. Pure profit. Its even put out on a fake record label. Classic.
dont have to say nothin else just look at the facts they speak for themself. They own 2 hip hop labels and their own studio. They are bigger hip hop artists than MOST in the game. First album out in 90. Thats 22 years. They have 2 movies. They own book. More merchandise than most artists will ever make. They have like 15 albums or some ridiculous shit. Last I checked 4 are gold, 3 are platinum, with one double platinum. Some artists never move that many units. Say they sell a cd for 15 bucks in a store. They make about 10 off that, way more than your avg artist on a majior label deal.
people hatin on ICP is what drove ICP to the level they are at. Thats why they own they record label and studio and all that, nobody would sign them they did it themself. Really, take the music out of the equation, and ICP's story would be that of the american dream. 2 highschool dropouts that are millionaires. Who's really doin what ICP does.
but really fuck all that, this thread is bout Tech a nina and his label. Fat joe is goin on bout how Tech is smart at biz, shit ICP been doin it on a bigger level and for 18 years or so longer than Tech. Not sayin I dont love strange, I give respect. Tech made his name and niche. I love tech. He needs to get some more beats off Ronz in germany tho. Tech gets radio play tho, and he's big outside of KC where ICP gets no radio play and isnt accepted everywhere like tech is.
Nina and ICP made plenty of songs together. They friends, outside of the biz too. Peeps actin like juggalos are just white people or just a few thousand or white trash or whatever. Tech N9ne is a self proclaimed juggalo and was so before he got big. Even d 12 is cool with ICP now. If eminem can get over he cant make ICP go away, the haters should too. MTV wouldnt play ICP so what did ICP do? paid like 1 million for a 1 hr timeslot on mtv and ran a documentary about ICP. Fuckin classic. Run it.
one you facts don't mean crap. ICP is not hip hop . ICP fan base aka juggalos is mostly white trash .ICP fans aka juggalos are the scum of the earth . ICP is not hip hop at all because the black community does not support ICP at all . rappers like tech n9ne & d-12 do not count at all because the are minorty . most juggalos don't know what good hip hop is at all . see to be hip hop you have to have a large black fanbase in america. ICP music is wack. icp first real real alblm they dissed NWA . showing how stupid of they are. that album aka was worst piece of crap i heard ever . vanilla ice was better, ICP was called Inner City Posse before Insane Clown Posse . they became Insane Clown Posse because they lyrics were wack & they were wack . so the stole or Ripped off Esham and others from detroit. They had to becaume a gimmick to get over aka face painted rapping clowns . that there makes them worst joke in the world . this album aka bass-ment cuts is what would happen if NWA were white and sucked. they only reason they sale is because they got bunch of brainwashed white trash fans who don't know what good hip hop is . juggalos is most ignoranted fan base there is in the world. there are millions of stupid ignorant white trash here in the U.s. . so in END ICP is nothing but a joke ass gimmick that retarded dumb disrespectful people like.also i am from missouri & tech n9ne is one of my favorite but he is esham wannabe also.
you would get served by a mob of juggalos, pansy :P
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thats why ive been to 4 gatherings with upwards of 10,000 people, first one in detroit, met ICP and twiztid and king gordy and others, smoked weed with twiztid, king gordy. Brotha Lynch Hung, Tech N9ne, Mack 10, Ice Cube, Ice T, Bizarre, Proof "was", and even bridget neilson is a juggalo. I dont think you know very much about the subject.
anyway the thread is about tech n9ne. I'm just glad he has my back on my point of view.
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thats why ive been to 4 gatherings with upwards of 10,000 people, first one in detroit, met ICP and twiztid and king gordy and others, smoked weed with twiztid, king gordy. Brotha Lynch Hung, Tech N9ne, Mack 10, Ice Cube, Ice T, Bizarre, Proof "was", and even bridget neilson is a juggalo. I dont think you know very much about the subject.
anyway the thread is about tech n9ne. I'm just glad he has my back on my point of view.
go away
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^^all that and still never heard of him!
bout time you did. Download or buy:
Anghellic
Everyready the Religon
Seepage
K.O.D.
Killer
Absolute Power
Vintage Tech
The mixed plate
He's talking about Moka Only. Check out Ron Contour - Saffron
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thats why ive been to 4 gatherings with upwards of 10,000 people, first one in detroit, met ICP and twiztid and king gordy and others, smoked weed with twiztid, king gordy. Brotha Lynch Hung, Tech N9ne, Mack 10, Ice Cube, Ice T, Bizarre, Proof "was", and even bridget neilson is a juggalo. I dont think you know very much about the subject.
anyway the thread is about tech n9ne. I'm just glad he has my back on my point of view.
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never, this msg board specifically says talk about any music, and so im doin jus that. Also, this boards rules are against petty flaming if you dont like that persons subject. Maybe if I was posting in a snoop dogg or 2pac thread I could see the reason for anger, otherwise its silly and misinterpreted. Dont get mad if you know nothing about the juggalo world, horrorcore rapers, any of the horrorcore labels, and any of the horrorcore acts. Shit is bigger than you can imagine. I'd say the wicked shit is bigger than gangsta rap, and its only gettin bigger. Hell Dj Quik, Tha Dogg Pound, Bone Thugs, Mack 10, Tech, Ice T, 3 6 Mafia, and others have made horrorcore songs with ICP or twiztid. If you can beatem, joinem.
wicked shit 4 life
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thats why ive been to 4 gatherings with upwards of 10,000 people, first one in detroit, met ICP and twiztid and king gordy and others, smoked weed with twiztid, king gordy. Brotha Lynch Hung, Tech N9ne, Mack 10, Ice Cube, Ice T, Bizarre, Proof "was", and even bridget neilson is a juggalo. I dont think you know very much about the subject.
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never, this msg board specifically says talk about any music, and so im doin jus that. Also, this boards rules are against petty flaming if you dont like that persons subject. Maybe if I was posting in a snoop dogg or 2pac thread I could see the reason for anger, otherwise its silly and misinterpreted. Dont get mad if you know nothing about the juggalo world, horrorcore rapers, any of the horrorcore labels, and any of the horrorcore acts. Shit is bigger than you can imagine. I'd say the wicked shit is bigger than gangsta rap, and its only gettin bigger. Hell Dj Quik, Tha Dogg Pound, Bone Thugs, Mack 10, Tech, Ice T, 3 6 Mafia, Snoop dogg, Layzie Bone, E 40, Prozak, Krizz Kaliko, Cypress Hill, plus tons of others have made horrorcore songs with ICP or twiztid. If you cant beatem, joinem.
wicked shit 4 life
and learn about a subject before you try to talk about it. Tech n9ne said it best I dont need to do anything but copy and paste what he said.
Just curious why eveyone is so quick to say fuck ICP?
And for those who dislike them, how much of their music have you actually listened to?
It seems like a lot of people just jump on the fuck ICP bandwagon without having heard them.
Sure some of their stuff can be considered sub par, but they have some really good tracks.
- Tech N9ne
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found this at answers.yahoo.com thought it was relevant to the subject at hand.
Good rap music thats NOT mainstream?
By not mainstream I mean not on Mtv, vh1, etc etc. I don't really like all that b*tches & h*es type rap either, I just want to find some good rappers with good lyrics that sound good. Not as famous as lil wayne, but still has a myspace page & stuff like that.
1st reply: Tech N9ne is by far the best rapper out there so check him out if u havent pther good underground rappers are ICP, twiztid, krizz kaliko, prozak, potluck, really anone from psychopathic records or strange music those are the main underground labels.
source:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100313183004AAkO5CH
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I dont have to read all the hate, just take the last message.
they arent hip hop? why are they listed as such. Why do artists like mack 10, bone thugs, three six mafia, Ice T, yadda yadda make songs with them? Why would dayton family sign to a label that ISNT hip hop? You dont even know about ICP but you claim so cuz your listin off shit like u know Joe & joey but you really dont know shit.
havent dominated the billboard lately you say? I think debuting at number 4 on the billboard 200 and number 1 on the indy charts is pretty fuckin big time, especially considering the lack of sales in general these days. Especially considering no video play no radio play. Thats like what N.W.A. did in the 80's. Not too many bands or artists can say they done that shit. Run it. Then they rerelease the album 6 months or so after that, with a few new tracks, and on a new distributor. Its number 50 on billboard 200. That covers 2009 and 2010. Forget their supporting cast of artists on their label, thats good enough right there. What other indy labels are so successful? Psychopathic thats who.
Even if you dont consider ICP's albums "hip hop" they basically steal beats from juvenile, from whoever and put out a 15 track LP for fun usin diff rap names and doin old school gangsta rap. Its not like they tryin to sell the shit its illegal, you can only buy it at their concerts or their website. These albums however sell ALOT. Pure profit. Its even put out on a fake record label. Classic.
dont have to say nothin else just look at the facts they speak for themself. They own 2 hip hop labels and their own studio. They are bigger hip hop artists than MOST in the game. First album out in 90. Thats 22 years. They have 2 movies. They own book. More merchandise than most artists will ever make. They have like 15 albums or some ridiculous shit. Last I checked 4 are gold, 3 are platinum, with one double platinum. Some artists never move that many units. Say they sell a cd for 15 bucks in a store. They make about 10 off that, way more than your avg artist on a majior label deal.
people hatin on ICP is what drove ICP to the level they are at. Thats why they own they record label and studio and all that, nobody would sign them they did it themself. Really, take the music out of the equation, and ICP's story would be that of the american dream. 2 highschool dropouts that are millionaires. Who's really doin what ICP does.
but really fuck all that, this thread is bout Tech a nina and his label. Fat joe is goin on bout how Tech is smart at biz, shit ICP been doin it on a bigger level and for 18 years or so longer than Tech. Not sayin I dont love strange, I give respect. Tech made his name and niche. I love tech. He needs to get some more beats off Ronz in germany tho. Tech gets radio play tho, and he's big outside of KC where ICP gets no radio play and isnt accepted everywhere like tech is.
Nina and ICP made plenty of songs together. They friends, outside of the biz too. Peeps actin like juggalos are just white people or just a few thousand or white trash or whatever. Tech N9ne is a self proclaimed juggalo and was so before he got big. Even d 12 is cool with ICP now. If eminem can get over he cant make ICP go away, the haters should too. MTV wouldnt play ICP so what did ICP do? paid like 1 million for a 1 hr timeslot on mtv and ran a documentary about ICP. Fuckin classic. Run it.
one you facts don't mean crap. ICP is not hip hop . ICP fan base aka juggalos is mostly white trash .ICP fans aka juggalos are the scum of the earth . ICP is not hip hop at all because the black community does not support ICP at all . rappers like tech n9ne & d-12 do not count at all because the are minorty . most juggalos don't know what good hip hop is at all . see to be hip hop you have to have a large black fanbase in america. ICP music is wack. icp first real real alblm they dissed NWA . showing how stupid of they are. that album aka was worst piece of crap i heard ever . vanilla ice was better, ICP was called Inner City Posse before Insane Clown Posse . they became Insane Clown Posse because they lyrics were wack & they were wack . so the stole or Ripped off Esham and others from detroit. They had to becaume a gimmick to get over aka face painted rapping clowns . that there makes them worst joke in the world . this album aka bass-ment cuts is what would happen if NWA were white and sucked. they only reason they sale is because they got bunch of brainwashed white trash fans who don't know what good hip hop is . juggalos is most ignoranted fan base there is in the world. there are millions of stupid ignorant white trash here in the U.s. . so in END ICP is nothing but a joke ass gimmick that retarded dumb disrespectful people like.also i am from missouri & tech n9ne is one of my favorite but he is esham wannabe also.
you would get served by a mob of juggalos, pansy :P
no i would not get served by a mob of juggalos, bitch . i already beat up a whole posse of juggalos easliy by myself . when i go to tech n9ne concerts & kotton mouth king concerts , i am the guy in mosh pit beating the living shit out of every juggalo . juggalo are bunch pussies. see i have wrestling ,maratial arts , & street fighting background pluse i always have my strapp on me .. see i am the muthfucka you don't fuck around with . people go the other when they see me coming .
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check this out, I didnt even read all that. I'm done tryin to proove how ICP and their label are very simular to Tech and his. Tech pretty much feels the same as me so im good tryin to convince a message board.
to be hip hop you have to have a large black audience? untrue. If it wasnt for white people hip hop woulda never been as profitable as its been. Back to N.W.A. it was mostly white people buyin the shit.
All ICP fans dont know real hip hop? Then why do all the acts that are booked around/with ICP are hip hop acts? Makes no sense to play nirvana with tupac.
ICP isnt hip hop? YES they arent. They are a sub genre of hip hop "like esham" horror rap, death rap, horrorcore, whatever u wanna call it. Its not just str8 hip hop.
Tech is way better lyricist than E-sam. I like natas and sam dont get me wrong, but since sham left psychopathic his stuff aint as good. Plus he never was a lyricist anyway.
cant compare inner city posse's music to insane clown posse. YES that basement cuts album is horrible. I can say the same for cube or anybody who has alot of albums, snoop, whoever. They have shitty albums too. When they was inner city, it was more for fun, they had 3 members not 2, and they hadnt even put out a real album yet thats more of a mixtape. Fastforward and you find they are now involved in producing their own shit, pretty much have their own producer for psychopathic "mike e clark" who has done numerous hip hop projects with tons of bands.
Its like comparing your handwriting when u was in 1st grade till now. I'm sure most people improve on stuff they work on for years.
jus cuz u dont like the wicked shit dont hate on everybody that does it. and with that im done.
Anghellic
This is pretty damn dope, Juggalos! TIME.com has released 50 lists picking out the highs and lows of 2010 in a variety of categories. Included with those lists is the Top 10 Viral Videos of 2010. Coming in at #7 is “Miracles” from the Insane Clown Posse!
This is what they had to say:
The two rappers who make up the Insane Clown Posse typically rhyme about violence and mayhem while wearing clownlike face paint. But their music video for the song “Miracles” takes a decidedly gentler turn. It’s already odd to see them talking about life’s little miracles. What’s weirder is the “miracles” they mention — a pelican that tried to eat a cell phone, the pyramids and — the lyric that went the most viral — “F___ing magnets, how do they work?” Sprinkle in ridiculous-looking CGI and you get a bizarre yet fascinating music video that took the Internet by storm.
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Friday, 05 November 2010
Check this out, NYC has the juggalo love. Tonight in Brooklyn is the opening of a new photo exhibit based on the life of the juggalos.
yes you do have to have a black audience to be called hip hop because hip hop is african american street culture ,dumbass. . nothing aobut icp says african american street culture. icp is stupid gimmick for ignorant white boys who think they know hip hop when they are white trash & wannabes . yes you can compare inner city posse's music to insane clown posse because it shows how bad & how fake ICP really is . they dissed NWA & that automaticly makes them stupid & white hating trash . compare inner city posse's music to insane clown posse proves that they could not do it without a gimmick .. they had to paint ther faces , that is gimmick & that went horrorcore & that is gimmick . i don't really respect horrorcore because it is gimmick rap & shows you can't get over rapping without using a gimmick. i am hip hop puriest & was raised in the hood. unlike you.
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dude, its just anothe form of music. Just like how elvis took a black only music and made it into his own. Eminem did the same. ICP dont wanna go for that culture, its more like a horror movie or scary type shit. Some of its not, but some of it is. Its about storytelling like slick rick, only they tell a story like that show to catch a predator, call up pedophiles with a girl's voice and killem when they get there.
do you NEED a black audience to make it? I guess depends on demographic and what ur rappin about. I'd say if its dope any color of people will like it. I've see plenty of black juggalos, white juggalos, whatever. Bizarre, King Gordy, Three Six Mafia, Ice T, Bone, Mack, forty water, ODB, Snoop, they all juggalos. Juggalos is a way of life more than a label of who you like. You could be a juggalo and not even like their music. You just dont get it.
Inner city posse wore completely different shit, they looked/sound nothin like they do now. That shit only lasted what, 1 year? They preformed at st. andrews hall and all around detroit even with that crap.
Every rapper has a gimmick. Snoop - gangsta smokin weed. Eazy - lil nigga that gets pussy and will fuck you up. I mean come on look at outkast. Who cares the gimmick, its what draws your attention to the music.
Thats fine you dont respect horror rap. I dont care if u do or dont. They work just as hard, if not harder cuz they arent accepted by the mainstream, no videos, no radio play. Its been around since 89, and is only now starting to really grow. ICP had a huge hand in that, Necro, and Esham too.
Hip hop purist? dude you dont even know me. I was listnin to real hip hop probably before you was born. Just because I like ICP and this and that dont mean I just listen to them strickly. I have around 2000 or more cd's, and i bet you only 20 or so are ICP related. I like horror music yes, but I like all types of music. From bach, to lynard skynard, to nirvana, to elvis, to metallica, to geto boys, dayton family, e 40, south park mexican, boosie & webbie, Lil Weezy, Juvenile/BG, Everything death row put out "cept rnb and christmas on dr". I could go on and on.
If u was as big as iCP and had worked as hard as they have to get where ur at, I wouldnt hate i'd congratulate. Hate them, hate their music, but you cant hate the accomplishments they have done.
hell even tech n9ne agrees with me. If you really really really wanna give horrorcore another chance, get Brotha Lynch Hung's dinner and a movie "2010" I think its the shit.
OR watch his fist single/video: Meat
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[/quote]no i would not get served by a mob of juggalos, bitch . i already beat up a whole posse of juggalos easliy by myself . when i go to tech n9ne concerts & kotton mouth king concerts , i am the guy in mosh pit beating the living shit out of every juggalo . juggalo are bunch pussies. see i have wrestling ,maratial arts , & street fighting background pluse i always have my strapp on me .. see i am the muthfucka you don't fuck around with . people go the other when they see me coming .
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really? its come down to this? internet flaming? so middle school. I dont care if u like juggalos or ICP or anybody on their labels. I doubt you'd start a fight with multiple people in a mosh pit or the security grabs you. Also, street fighting, martial arts, wrestling, all that aint comin in too hand when your shoulder to shoulder with fans. Why are you going to Juggalo supporting artists, that do songs with ICP or twiztid or whoever on psychopathic, and often have them on stage with them, why go to a place like that if u arent a fan of horror music? a fan of the juggalo nation? makes no sense. Wear a big fuck you juggalos shirt next time u go if ur so big and see what happends. Oh yeah, you get padded down and metal detected before goin in events or concerts, or didnt you know that? Felony! Talk yourself up all you want on the keyboard, im sure it makes ya feel big.
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no i would not get served by a mob of juggalos, bitch . i already beat up a whole posse of juggalos easliy by myself . when i go to tech n9ne concerts & kotton mouth king concerts , i am the guy in mosh pit beating the living shit out of every juggalo . juggalo are bunch pussies. see i have wrestling ,maratial arts , & street fighting background pluse i always have my strapp on me .. see i am the muthfucka you don't fuck around with . people go the other when they see me coming .
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really? its come down to this? internet flaming? so middle school. I dont care if u like juggalos or ICP or anybody on their labels. I doubt you'd start a fight with multiple people in a mosh pit or the security grabs you. Also, street fighting, martial arts, wrestling, all that aint comin in too hand when your shoulder to shoulder with fans. Why are you going to Juggalo supporting artists, that do songs with ICP or twiztid or whoever on psychopathic, and often have them on stage with them, why go to a place like that if u arent a fan of horror music? a fan of the juggalo nation? makes no sense. Wear a big fuck you juggalos shirt next time u go if ur so big and see what happends. Oh yeah, you get padded down and metal detected before goin in events or concerts, or didnt you know that? Felony! Talk yourself up all you want on the keyboard, im sure it makes ya feel big.
[/quote]nothing about this is internet flaming at all. i just telling the truth . i go see tech n9ne because i am from missouri like him & i was fan of tech n9ne before any stupid ass juggalo knew who he was at all. also i go to see other artists like E-40,jay rock ,slaughterhouse, g-malone & many more artist that are not juggalos at all . i do start fights with juggalo in the mosh pit all the time & securtiy does nothing because juggalos are bunch pussies . street fighting, martial arts, wrestling, do come in hand when your shoulder to shoulder with fans easly. all i have to do is hit you with just a finger in nerve point.alos it helps i am 230 pounds of muscle & juggalos are not .also i am friends with the owners of pops club where they perform every time they come to st louis . security will throw out a juggalo before they will ever do to it me because they will get fired for it .so i don't get padded at all because of who i am him & who i know . also they do not use metal detecters i already have worn big fuck you juggalos shirt & only one person step to me & he got knocked out & then dragged out back by security,. i am not talking myself up ,hter .i am just telling the truth about my life. you are just jealous you don't have it like me .see i from east st louis one of baddest parts of st louis & i have hell of rep but i worked my ass off to get where ii am now.
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still, internet flaming. Dude I have no quarrels with you hating ICP. The whole point of thread is tech gettin praised, I think necro and his label and ICP's 1st label dont get the credit they deserve. Tech said in some interview he started cuz of ICP or somethin like that. It doesnt matter. All I was tryin to say "with facts I can back up" is that
1. ICP has stayed relevant for a very long time
2. They mastered how to do the indy record label scene "they was on def jam at one point, and jive"
3. The posse may not be ur style of rap, but whatever genre you wanna call it, horrorcore, death rap, whatever, all 3 "tech, necro, ICP" are doing it. It is rap, but its deff not for everybody.
internet beef is stupid
merry christmas
ps if you want I could point u in the direction of some good ICP songs with peeps like mack 10 or kottonmouth kings or bone or some others u might like
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still, internet flaming. Dude I have no quarrels with you hating ICP. The whole point of thread is tech gettin praised, I think necro and his label and ICP's 1st label dont get the credit they deserve. Tech said in some interview he started cuz of ICP or somethin like that. It doesnt matter. All I was tryin to say "with facts I can back up" is that
1. ICP has stayed relevant for a very long time
2. They mastered how to do the indy record label scene "they was on def jam at one point, and jive"
3. The posse may not be ur style of rap, but whatever genre you wanna call it, horrorcore, death rap, whatever, all 3 "tech, necro, ICP" are doing it. It is rap, but its deff not for everybody.
internet beef is stupid
merry christmas
ps if you want I could point u in the direction of some good ICP songs with peeps like mack 10 or kottonmouth kings or bone or some others u might like
no it is not internet flaming ,dumbaas . it is telling the truth . that is bull with you saying that he started cuz of ICP . i heard of tech n9ne way before i ever heard of ICp . tech n9ne started because of brother lynch hung & esham not icp . i have had many talks with tech n9ne about why he started & who was his influnces. never once did he say ICP. ICP is not relevant at all. if you have no radio or video play then you truely are not that relevant at all. i am from missouri & that means i know more about tech n9ne then you .
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no i would not get served by a mob of juggalos, bitch . i already beat up a whole posse of juggalos easliy by myself . when i go to tech n9ne concerts & kotton mouth king concerts , i am the guy in mosh pit beating the living shit out of every juggalo . juggalo are bunch pussies. see i have wrestling ,maratial arts , & street fighting background pluse i always have my strapp on me .. see i am the muthfucka you don't fuck around with . people go the other when they see me coming .
post up pics or video of you doing all of this and maybe we'll believe you, but until that time you're alias status or just a straight up e-banger, and the odds of a Juggalo raping you or someone you care for must be very high... ROFL at "i always have my strap on me", you're really reaching bro
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no i would not get served by a mob of juggalos, bitch . i already beat up a whole posse of juggalos easliy by myself . when i go to tech n9ne concerts & kotton mouth king concerts , i am the guy in mosh pit beating the living shit out of every juggalo . juggalo are bunch pussies. see i have wrestling ,maratial arts , & street fighting background pluse i always have my strapp on me .. see i am the muthfucka you don't fuck around with . people go the other when they see me coming .
post up pics or video of you doing all of this and maybe we'll believe you, but until that time you're alias status or just a straight up e-banger, and the odds of a Juggalo raping you or someone you care for must be very high... ROFL at "i always have my strap on me", you're really reaching bro
post up pics or videos so i can get caught up i. what you asked is straight stupid & shows you are e-banger not me . why would i put up something like that that could get me arrested. i would not because i am not stupid e-banger like you . i the real g from streets unlike you & your fake ass self. juggalos are pussies & my whole family can beat all of them up . i am not scared of bitch ass juggalo or your bitch ass either ,hater . i am not reaching for shit ,hater. you must be quire also because you are talking about raping someone. i don't having nothing to front or lie about . i am friends with the owner pops club where the peform in st louis & that why i get to do the things i do because i know people unlike you . so don't speak on shit you have no clue on fake ass buster .