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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: love33 on June 20, 2010, 12:07:24 PM
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Howcome the West/Hip-Hop hasn't broke a superstar in years? The last big names to really break who sold millions were:
Lil Wayne (he's obvious been around but started blowing up huge in 2006)
Rick Ross (2006)
50 Cent (2003)
The Game (2004)
T.I. (really blew up huge in 2005)
Now the West has seen a lot of failed radio attempts to blow from artists like: Tha Realest, Crooked I, Sly Boogy, Top Dogg, Lil Rob, Shade Sheist, Knoc'Turnal, Bishop Lamont, to recent radio failures Jay Rock and Glasses Malone. Then we've seen artists like Eastwood, Young Keno, and Ya Boy who never really got their chance. The latest artist on the West to try and break is Nipsey Hussle, we will see what happens but judging by the past the odds are tough.
So my question is, howcome nobody in the West or Hip Hop in general has broke a superstar in the past few years? Since 2008, all we've been seeing is the same faces and no new superstars.
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The West doesn't even get love from the West, so how is any new artist suppose to break out?
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Tha realest did break his last single reached #21 in the uk top 40 charts
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Tha realest did break his last single reached #21 in the uk top 40 charts
No disrespect to Tha Realest or the UK charts but this doesn't mean shit.
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when u calling the game a (superstar)
then hopefully we see nipsey hussle as the next west/hip hop (super)star
when he not (crooked i) his album to long lol ;D
i hope he is waiting for cube if the west shit is still sellin some units
and then he release a west/hip hop groundbreaking album
preach lol
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listen to the song "W's Down" by Crooked I and he explains it perfectly
it's no coincidence that people like Glasses Malone has more help from southern veteran rappers than west coast veteran rappers
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same type of artist,same dress code, fans want to same style beats,same attitude, one day muthafuccas who are fans of this west coast shit will realize it's alot of different type of equals out here, all equals who rap ain't gangstas,and all chiccs who spit out here ain't hood rats or just on that trendy clothes shit, all mexican rappers don't just do typical chicano rap, it is asian cats who can spit, youngsta's who know they hip hop history,and some old heads who can mimicc this tready shit and do it better then these popular artist out here, all this shit exist open your minds and go look for the shit,stop waiting for popular video shows and radio to dictate to you, stop worrying about if other people gonna like what you like,BE YOUR MUTHAFUCC'N SELVES, and alot of our shit is looked as OLD TO OTHER COAST AND FOLKS OUT HERE WHO LIVED THROUGH IT!!! as my lil cousin told me " man my pops wore khakis and chuccs bacc in the day,i ain't trying to dress like that old nigga i got my money up" hahaha IT'S A NEW DAY yell
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Jay Rock is the only New West artist who ever got radio play in NY.
& only because he had Weezy on with him. :P
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same type of artist,same dress code, fans want to same style beats,same attitude, one day muthafuccas who are fans of this west coast shit will realize it's alot of different type of equals out here, all equals who rap ain't gangstas,and all chiccs who spit out here ain't hood rats or just on that trendy clothes shit, all mexican rappers don't just do typical chicano rap, it is asian cats who can spit, youngsta's who know they hip hop history,and some old heads who can mimicc this tready shit and do it better then these popular artist out here, all this shit exist open your minds and go look for the shit,stop waiting for popular video shows and radio to dictate to you, stop worrying about if other people gonna like what you like,BE YOUR MUTHAFUCC'N SELVES, and alot of our shit is looked as OLD TO OTHER COAST AND FOLKS OUT HERE WHO LIVED THROUGH IT!!! as my lil cousin told me " man my pops wore khakis and chuccs bacc in the day,i ain't trying to dress like that old nigga i got my money up" hahaha IT'S A NEW DAY yell
my equal real talk yell
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E-40 was getting some mainstream appeal a couple years back, even though he's been around a long time
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you can be seen all day,but if you have no artist from your coast who can dictate whats "in" to the mainstream and even the underground,they are not gonna get proper shine, i honestly feel if the bay would open themselves up more instead of just being so local they would have the game in a choke hold cause they are creative as fucc,but keeping that shit to they selves, made it easy for others to come along and take they shit and put it out there more, yeah you started alot of this shit and still got more in abundance but put it out there to world and not just your hood,blocc and area yell
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Tha realest did break his last single reached #21 in the uk top 40 charts
Jay Sean and Taio Cruz are two new UK r&b artists who both had US #1's in the last year. Amy winhouse, Coldplay, Estelle all break in the uk then goto the US. Learn your music.
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Tha realest did break his last single reached #21 in the uk top 40 charts
Jay Sean and Taio Cruz are two new UK r&b artists who both had US #1's in the last year. Amy winhouse, Coldplay, Estelle all break in the uk then goto the US. Learn your music.
you are right about breaking out there first and coming out here,but that works mostly with new groups, the baccstreet boys and n'sync did that shit too, but the realest been known and regardless what you think he will always be looked at as a tupac clone and with the pac novelty worn off people as a whole just don't care about dude in the states yell
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Tha realest did break his last single reached #21 in the uk top 40 charts
Realest is not a superstar by any stretch, I think his album sold less than 200 copies the first week if I'm not mistaken. I hope he can do big things, but he's def not a star, let alone a superstar. I think it's because the bootlegging is so huge now it's hard to break any type of artist. And artists have lost motivation to record albums when they can't make any money off it. You're seeing big names like Gucci Mane, Bow Wow, Snoop sell under 100k out of the gate, that basically means there's no money there once producers are paid and printing, production, and marketing teams get paid. Nobody is making any videos anymore. If I would've said in 2003 that the videos are only going to get worse and there will be fewer of them I would've been laughed at. It's actually gone backwards with the economy and bootlegging.
However, there is some blame to be placed on the record labels and radio stations. The greed has become so high that radio stations won't even support local artists unless they are getting paid by the artist or the label. There used to be a time period when if you had a hot product, you would bring it to the radio and get local love from the radio DJs. Not anymore, and the radio politics are to blame.
A lot of artists are broke now (don't believe them talking about their new cars, chains, and money, those are just lyrics -- most rappers are in debt). But the main people who can help them are the ones who benefitted when times were good and made all the money before bootlegging was huge and made all the money on tour when rap was big in the day. These people are the P Diddys, Snoops, Dres, Jermaine Dupris, Mannie Freshs, Jay-Zs, Irv Gottis, Nellys, Kanyes, and a handful of others. These artists have really been no better than a greedy CEO at the end of the day and have been like a greedy pig hogging up all the money and shine for themselves instead of giving back to the genre they ate off that made them filthy. They would rather hog up all the money and resources to make their own lifestyles huge, while the talented young and upcoming artists get no radio play, no tour dates, and no record deals and don't get to enjoy the very same luxurys that these OGs had as an artist to provide opportunity to succeed.
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niggas on the west aint tryin 2 go outside the west wit they game...they aint gone blow up over nite.. kuz like the rick ross's n waynes..they already had a fan base n built it in their regions the south..n didnt expect any handouts from the greats...took they shit to other cities with a team behind em
shit if u really want new west coast superstar..find a nigga that can spit..n send em to e-class down in dallas..he will make a star out of em..ask 50 , rick ross, mike jones
east and west rappers the only ones lookin 4 help when it comes to gettin they feet in the mix..
yall niggas need to stand on yall own two feet..if u cant sell yaself..u aint gone make it...
u think the waka flockas, gucci mane, soulja boys ran to outkast and goodie mobs
or the slim thugs, paul walls, chamillionaires,mike jones all ran to ugk and scarface to get put on..
hell nall...
cashmoney run to mystikal, master p n the no limit army..hell did p run to anybody...nope..
ion blame ice cube nem for shittin on the new talent out the west..niggas need to get out there n grind..
then legends dont owe nobody shit...
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The west hasn't blow up because of the Dubcc forum.
Ok, i think it's the west on fault they not where they suppose to be. I can get into it but I'll others do the honors for now.
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DRAKE
NICKI MINAJ
SOULJA BOI
then 2 of the ppl in ur list are from Aftermath, u can go ask Dre why he aint put nobody out (Bishop?)
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mixtape culture...
This actually cheapens music...its an easy way to make some bucks, but these New West artists cant get beyond a mixtape. Freestyles, freestyles and more freestyles !!! im sick of it !!
I know that the mixtape thing worked for a while, but enough already...go onto an independant label, release an album,a nd forget about sales...if u got a hot product, it will sell. but u got to get it out there, instead of promising an album for 10 years and then releasing a freestyle each week for a year !! COB !! ( Circle of Bums )
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Howcome the West/Hip-Hop hasn't broke a superstar in years? Tha Realest, Crooked I, Sly Boogy, Top Dogg, Lil Rob, Shade Sheist, Knoc'Turnal, Bishop Lamont, to recent radio failures Jay Rock and Glasses Malone. Then we've seen artists like Eastwood, Young Keno, and Ya Boy who never really got their chance. The latest artist on the West to try and break is Nipsey Hussle, we will see what happens but judging by the past the odds are tough.
it is a talent issue, bar Crooked I, Jay Rock and Nipsey Hussle none of those others were ever a chance of 'blowing up'. Maybe Bishop or Glasses but to me, they lack the star power that is required to blow up ... Crooked might still be in with a chance off the back of Slaughterhouse
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mixtape culture...
This actually cheapens music...its an easy way to make some bucks, but these New West artists cant get beyond a mixtape. Freestyles, freestyles and more freestyles !!! im sick of it !!
I know that the mixtape thing worked for a while, but enough already...go onto an independant label, release an album,a nd forget about sales...if u got a hot product, it will sell. but u got to get it out there, instead of promising an album for 10 years and then releasing a freestyle each week for a year !! COB !! ( Circle of Bums )
Agreed. Pisses me off when we complain about no Crooked I album and ppl give the excuse of "well he gave us 52 freestyles last year and a bunch of other shit for free." Cool! Thanks for the FREEstyles!!! Get the fuck outta here with that shit.
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BECAUSE NATE DOGG CAN'T DO HOOKS ANYMORE!!
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I know that the mixtape thing worked for a while, but enough already...go onto an independent label, release an album and forget about sales...if u got a hot product, it will sell. but u got to get it out there...
Only those artists who caught this notice when it first made it's rounds are the ones not complaining about this declining industry.
I've been preaching the gospel about overseas venture since 03.. we can see who listened and who did not.
Hype = Buzz/Interest but Quality = $$$$$/Opportunities and Longevity.
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BECAUSE NATE DOGG CAN'T DO HOOKS ANYMORE!!
I second that
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It also comes down to what makes moves outside of the region and even the cats that have been around since the 90's or before don't do a lot of touring outside the West or go to new areas to break records. I think given the divide between the "New West" and the "Old West" is only going to make it worse.
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mixtape culture...
This actually cheapens music...its an easy way to make some bucks, but these New West artists cant get beyond a mixtape. Freestyles, freestyles and more freestyles !!! im sick of it !!
I know that the mixtape thing worked for a while, but enough already...go onto an independant label, release an album,a nd forget about sales...if u got a hot product, it will sell. but u got to get it out there, instead of promising an album for 10 years and then releasing a freestyle each week for a year !! COB !! ( Circle of Bums )
i got to agree with alot of this my equal,cause what is a mixtape if you not gonna come with a real album after it? i mean if you come with 6 mixtapes bacc to bacc and then try to drop yo real shit the fans have gotten use to getting yo shit for free! and it's not who spits the most it's who makes the best music that moves the most people, and again you don't just need west coast beats,south beats,east etc come out with some interesting topics ON YO REAL SHIT and keep pushing it and seriously what do you got to lose yell
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havent no coast broke anew superstar.shit game was the last superstar and i think nipsey is on his way to becomeing something.
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because they keep talking about the same shit over and over, because they do not support each other, gangsta rap is not marketable anymore, because they are afraid to try new things,
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Gangsta rap isn't marketable??? Seriously???
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Gangsta rap isn't marketable??? Seriously???
duh why u think T.I. gon pop and Jeezy keeps gettin his album pushed back... YG is the next Superstar out the West quote me... the kids and women love him and thats the key nowadays
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its 20fuckin10! no one in LA gang bangs no more gangsta rap now a days is only cool to wiggers and kids from the suburbs aint no one bangin no more that shit is played out its been 20+ years how the fuck is gangsta rap gon stay fresh after 20+ especially after there are fake ass rappers and shit all callin themselves "gangsta" get the fuck outta here HIP HOP is HIP HOP the west has to make HIP HOP dont matter what kind make good shit that people want to listen to and i aint talkin bout people that are stuck in the past/get boners over the word "detox"/still waitin for tupac to come out wit tracks
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Lol @ tha realest comment
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Tha realest did break his last single reached #21 in the uk top 40 charts
No it didn't
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I still think theres a place for westcoast music...respect the south. they were in a similar position in 2000...no one really was into the whole southside thing then. But No Limit, Cash Money etc got their independant game on and forced themselves into the industry.
All the west needs is to stop following blueprints...keep is west,keep it real and stop obsessing on sales.
And someone stated the has been no breakout artists recently??? Drake, B.O.B.,Gucci Mane, Nicki Minaj,Kid Cudi...dont get me wrong, i know someone is going to say that these are all "pop" acts, but they did their thing. a breakout artist is still possible !
Westcoast needs a hot hot hot single !! lets see what happens with Nipsey...i support that dude.
Jay Rock etc got no chance. They been around too long now. No one really is interested. Beside, i think Ice Cube dead him already.
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Westcoast needs a hot hot hot single !!
Speaking for many Western artists who have dropped hot singles since early in the decade:
What the West needs is a totally revamped regional radio industry
or for our artists to untuck their nuts and starting putting these non-supporters on blast.
They are worried about not getting played.. and at the same time, not gettin played anyways.
MOVE on EM.
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After reading these fourms 4 a few years I can c why an artist can't break..all I c is building anticipation 4 each nigga 2 fail on here..I'm still pissed that "The Reformation" didn't drop while the gettin was good.
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I still think theres a place for westcoast music...respect the south. they were in a similar position in 2000...no one really was into the whole southside thing then. But No Limit, Cash Money etc got their independant game on and forced themselves into the industry.
All the west needs is to stop following blueprints...keep is west,keep it real and stop obsessing on sales.
And someone stated the has been no breakout artists recently??? Drake, B.O.B.,Gucci Mane, Nicki Minaj,Kid Cudi...dont get me wrong, i know someone is going to say that these are all "pop" acts, but they did their thing. a breakout artist is still possible !
Westcoast needs a hot hot hot single !! lets see what happens with Nipsey...i support that dude.
Jay Rock etc got no chance. They been around too long now. No one really is interested. Beside, i think Ice Cube dead him already.
^^^^^alot of problems in what you just said, you only going to support nipsey and you think jay rocc been around to long? that's fucc'n stupid if he or any other makes hot music that's all that counts,stop having that mainstream point of thinking my equal,and that's a major problem for cats out here, the fans now act like the old stiffs who run the labels and radio. it's like electing obama equals get him in the white house and think that's the end all,no it's still other local areas that need to be fixed by mayor's etc,stop just think'n you have to do a succ off fest on one artist,fucc age or how long they been around. yell
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its 20fuckin10! no one in LA gang bangs no more gangsta rap now a days is only cool to wiggers and kids from the suburbs aint no one bangin no more that shit is played out its been 20+ years how the fuck is gangsta rap gon stay fresh after 20+ especially after there are fake ass rappers and shit all callin themselves "gangsta" get the fuck outta here HIP HOP is HIP HOP the west has to make HIP HOP dont matter what kind make good shit that people want to listen to and i aint talkin bout people that are stuck in the past/get boners over the word "detox"/still waitin for tupac to come out wit tracks
ay i don't know where you live at my equal,but muthafuccas is still gang bang'n, you can't stop something that's free, and if jimmy and company knows when some gangsta artist break they gonna run and put more gangsta rap out,all business men care about is chipper jones so they gonna put what makes them the most doe,but don't think gang bang'n has ceased at all yell
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unless Dre c/s you, you will not blow up
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unless Dre c/s you, you will not blow up
not true at all but if equals keep believing that, it'll come true, fans want a leader can't do shit for self now a days, plus look at all the artist dre co-signed who are not here anymore and who never dropped? he's the greatest hip hop producer of all time in my book but that's where it stops yell
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Gangsta rap isn't marketable??? Seriously???
duh why u think T.I. gon pop and Jeezy keeps gettin his album pushed back... YG is the next Superstar out the West quote me... the kids and women love him and thats the key nowadays
The best selling hip-hop albums have been gangsta type rappers who blend pop in with it. Jay-Z, Lil Wayne, Rick Ross, Fabo and Jada. Even with B.o.B dropping, Nas and Jr. Gong, Wale most of the new rappers aren't pushing large numbers except Drake. The top selling artist were Jay-Z, Wayne, Em and BEP. Two out of four gangsta type style pop rappers. It's not that gangsta rap isn't marketable, it's that major labels have flooded and controlled the industry with crap so that even good artist are only selling 20-50K out the gate
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its 20fuckin10! no one in LA gang bangs no more gangsta rap now a days is only cool to wiggers and kids from the suburbs aint no one bangin no more that shit is played out its been 20+ years how the fuck is gangsta rap gon stay fresh after 20+ especially after there are fake ass rappers and shit all callin themselves "gangsta" get the fuck outta here HIP HOP is HIP HOP the west has to make HIP HOP dont matter what kind make good shit that people want to listen to and i aint talkin bout people that are stuck in the past/get boners over the word "detox"/still waitin for tupac to come out wit tracks
I don't mind the bad sentence structure but to say that no one in L.A. are gang banging anymore means you have never set foot in L.A. And people still do listen to gangsta rap. People still enjoy it and have the gangsta cd's right next to their Drakes and B.o.B's. People just like and want good creative music no matter what genre it is.
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Westcoast needs a hot hot hot single !!
Speaking for many Western artists who have dropped hot singles since early in the decade:
What the West needs is a totally revamped regional radio industry
or for our artists to untuck their nuts and starting putting these non-supporters on blast.
They are worried about not getting played.. and at the same time, not gettin played anyways.
MOVE on EM.
I agree with on you the radio situation out here. I can't even listen to radio anymore except the oldies
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Drake, B.O.B.,Gucci Mane, Nicki Minaj,Kid Cudi
None of those are superstars out of that group. Gucci Mane's best album only sold a little over 400k, a star yes, but hardly a superstar. Drake is on his way, he has one album which is over 400k, but he still isn't there yet, he's not sold over a millie in 5 years. Go look at the sales, none of them are over a millie in units sold last 5 years. A "superstar" has sold over a million albums in the last 5 years.
The problem in the West is that the West is strictly identified by the OGs: Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, Too Short, E-40, and Dr. Dre -- those are the biggest, most well-known artists in the West who get the most radio play and have the most recognition coast to coast. While it's all good the OG West gets radio play and we want that, but the problem is the only one superstar we've broke in the past decade is The Game. Other than Game, all our faces are from the 1990's. And those guys are all trill, but they've been there done that and we have other talent like Eastwood, Ya Boy, Young Keno, and Nipsey Hussle.
I think the OG West should reach out because:
a) The new artists don't have the benefit of MTV videos -- MTV was a huge push to the OGs successes
b) The new artists don't get the huge radio play coast to coast that the OG's got in the mid 90's
c) The big record deals that the OGs got in the 1990s when Time Warner/Interscope, Warner Brothers, and Priority put big cash behind Gangsta Rap isn't there anymore.
d) The bootleggin is a lot heavier than it was in the early 90s when people were copying cassette tapes so these new artist have an uphill climb to sell
e) There is more competition now -- you got the South and Midwest in the game pumpin all kinds of artists and albums out -- when the OG West artists hit it big there was just California and New York
Snoop got his break from Dre/Warren G, Jay-Z from Nas & networking with the east, Diddy piggybacked off Notorious B.I.G., Game from 50 Cent & Dre, Lil Wayne off Juvenile and Mannie, etc. Most of the OG West artists don't wanna provide a break. Now Mack 10 is working with G Malone, but other than that, I don't see much in the West as far as an OG helping a New West artist
The new artists simply dont have the same opportunities and doors open when gangsta rap was fresh in the 90's. They don't have the same doors open and nobody wants to open those doors includin the OGs. The OGs dont want to give a new artist the same breaks they got.
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imo Ya boy OR nipsey r the only ones from the west that can really shine worldwide.. maybe not nipsey, but ya boy can because he is already into that hip pop shit.. and now with akon on his side, n if he get pushed right he can blow..
peace
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Shiest i'ma have 2 disagree with u on tha part about just keepin it west and don't worry about the radio play. you're basically saying everybody should go back 2 doing songs with "california" b4 or after the next word in the song and everybody should keep the funk bass and the "khakis and lowriders and palm trees" thing going on.... no sir... that's what made the WestCoast corny.
You ask me, the West needs 2 get outta this "we are the west" thing (like Ice Cube's new album) and just branch off in2 different areas and try 2 not be "so westcoast". the south don't try 2 be "south", they just do what they do, same with the EastCoast and the MidWest. i think it's all government shit anyways, keep the gangsta shit isolated and growth stunted (california rap) so the rest of america don't succome to it and be influenced like all of us already are 4rom the 90's... anyways, the westcoast should just stop trying to be like the eastcoast and make a HipHop Empire with everything. HipHop started in NYC, everybody can't be NYC. The South wasn't on that shit really, niggaz just got together and did some music and that shit sold like a muthafucka and caught on. Obviously it's a bizness now but b4 that niggaz waz just makin' recordz without tryna be so "coast orientated". that's y'all biggest problem, "westcoast this, westcoast that", yeah it's cool 2 rep and talk about it from time 2 time but when u base your whole catalog off of it then it just puts niggaz in a box. when u listen 2 south records u never hear about where they're from (the name of the place) just as much or more than u hear about that artist and what they've been thru (ex. Lil' Boosie).
but don't get it twisted tho, to me, that GFunk whistle will never die or play out... i don't think it can 2 anybody honestly even if it's not for some westcoast rap music.
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Shiest i'ma have 2 disagree with u on tha part about just keepin it west and don't worry about the radio play. you're basically saying everybody should go back 2 doing songs with "california" b4 or after the next word in the song and everybody should keep the funk bass and the "khakis and lowriders and palm trees" thing going on.... no sir... that's what made the WestCoast corny.
Never said anything like that, my G.. Radio is one of the most important resources IF you are pushing for Mainstream success,
however it does not dictate your World Rank, which is a bigger field than that of the States alone.
The problem is though, that domestic radio does not support the ones they know they should be, and that alone is detrimental to the coast.
"I Rep That West" is a perfect example of a current record not getting it's just due from Regional Radio.. (Did somebody mention Cube getting pushed back?)
without a resolution to that aspect of the game, any hope for a mainstream coastal return should be erased from your hope files.
As far as the redundancy in subject matter of Western music, my opinion is that Hip Hop in general is one of the most redundant genres of them all.
It's no longer about what is being said but rather WHO the consumers want to hear saying it..
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diddy piggy bacc'd of biggie >:( somethings here are cringe worthy,
It's no longer about what is being said but rather WHO the consumers want to hear saying it
^^^^^110% networth shade, it's like with all that blood talk consumers like to hear wayne do it but the real ones not so much yell
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When people talk about the Souths reign they tend to forget that when people say the south they're talking about several major states and cities. The west pretty much comprises of CA and similarly East = NY and maybe a couple cats from Philly, Baltimore and NJ.
If you split the South into cities or states its only really ATL thats had a consistent foot in the mainstream. Houston faded, Memphis faded and Miamis fading. Look where they going for the next superstars to Canada. Hell half the time it doesn't even matter where you rep its just about making a hot single.
Maybe if the west was more creative. Hyphy was the closest the west got to being big again in the past 5yrs. Dont like jerk music but hell thats whats getting spins on BET.
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When people talk about the Souths reign they tend to forget that when people say the south they're talking about several major states and cities. The west pretty much comprises of CA and similarly East = NY and maybe a couple cats from Philly, Baltimore and NJ.
If you split the South into cities or states its only really ATL thats had a consistent foot in the mainstream. Houston faded, Memphis faded and Miamis fading. Look where they going for the next superstars to Canada. Hell half the time it doesn't even matter where you rep its just about making a hot single.
Maybe if the west was more creative. Hyphy was the closest the west got to being big again in the past 5yrs. Dont like jerk music but hell thats whats getting spins on BET.
alot of truth in that my equal, but we made the same dumb mistake ny made, we never gave others a equal chance,hell we even was divided with the bay and still somewhat like that, we got to have a unified front period, and i still trip off alot of my fellow blacc folk who HATE THE SOUTH when we got alot of our relatives out there some we grew up with and did dirt with, yell
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Damn. People are actually speaking the real in the WC section. Unbelievable. Ya'll need to spread this thread all over the net and get the word out.
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When people talk about the Souths reign they tend to forget that when people say the south they're talking about several major states and cities. The west pretty much comprises of CA and similarly East = NY and maybe a couple cats from Philly, Baltimore and NJ.
If you split the South into cities or states its only really ATL thats had a consistent foot in the mainstream. Houston faded, Memphis faded and Miamis fading. Look where they going for the next superstars to Canada. Hell half the time it doesn't even matter where you rep its just about making a hot single.
Maybe if the west was more creative. Hyphy was the closest the west got to being big again in the past 5yrs. Dont like jerk music but hell thats whats getting spins on BET.
alot of truth in that my equal, but we made the same dumb mistake ny made, we never gave others a equal chance,hell we even was divided with the bay and still somewhat like that, we got to have a unified front period, and i still trip off alot of my fellow blacc folk who HATE THE SOUTH when we got alot of our relatives out there some we grew up with and did dirt with, yell
Well I know the problem with the division between the Bay and L.A. scene is not so much a music issue as it is just a California thing. Before I go further I must state that artist do work together South Central Cartel/San Quinn, Daz/Keak Da Sneak, Yukmouth/various L.A. artist, E-40/Snoop etc. But any division as a whole is a representation of Cali. North and So Cal are often treated as two separate states at times and have a aggressive rivalry.
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When people talk about the Souths reign they tend to forget that when people say the south they're talking about several major states and cities. The west pretty much comprises of CA and similarly East = NY and maybe a couple cats from Philly, Baltimore and NJ.
If you split the South into cities or states its only really ATL thats had a consistent foot in the mainstream. Houston faded, Memphis faded and Miamis fading. Look where they going for the next superstars to Canada. Hell half the time it doesn't even matter where you rep its just about making a hot single.
Maybe if the west was more creative. Hyphy was the closest the west got to being big again in the past 5yrs. Dont like jerk music but hell thats whats getting spins on BET.
alot of truth in that my equal, but we made the same dumb mistake ny made, we never gave others a equal chance,hell we even was divided with the bay and still somewhat like that, we got to have a unified front period, and i still trip off alot of my fellow blacc folk who HATE THE SOUTH when we got alot of our relatives out there some we grew up with and did dirt with, yell
Well I know the problem with the division between the Bay and L.A. scene is not so much a music issue as it is just a California thing. Before I go further I must state that artist do work together South Central Cartel/San Quinn, Daz/Keak Da Sneak, Yukmouth/various L.A. artist, E-40/Snoop etc. But any division as a whole is a representation of Cali. North and So Cal are often treated as two separate states at times and have a aggressive rivalry.
equals work together no doubt,but it's still that since i'm from here we have to rule cali shit especially from southern cal, and other state rappers if they ain't claiming southern cali will never be considered the tops from the west,if willy northpole or say a juice proved they spit the hottest and had the hottest material we would still never admit that shit period and that's a fact, ain't nothing wrong with wanting to be the best,you should want that,but you can also yellavate yo equals as well yell
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I think the bigger issue is that the DJs don't play the music. You can't be a Westcoast cat and go to the radio station and tell the DJ to play your record unless you got some major bank roll behind you or Jimmy Iovine or Dr Dre stamps their approval on it.
Also, whether people want to admit it or not, there's still a bitter distain that dates back to the East/West rivalry against the West on New York radio stations. For example, Hot 97 in NY don't play no Westcoast music unless it's Snoop Dogg or another NY artist is a feature. New York is struggling too, but at the same time, the West Coast radio stations will play four or five New York tracks across the map compared to only one West coast track. If you're a cat from L.A. who's got some hope, you can't even get your track played on L.A. radio. Even though NY is struggling like LA, Hot 97 plays their local artists and gives them a crack. The DJs play their local shit, their Joell Ortiz, etc.
Could you imagine if DMX made a track called "I Rep that East," it would surely get shine from Hot97 and Eastcoast stations. But Cube makes "I Rep That West," and I ask a DJ at the club to spin it and he shakes his head and says "I don't get down like that." This is Ice Cube, not some peanut rapper. Yet, they play that "Empire State of Mind" track by Jay-Z allover Westcoast radio, but they won't play a track called "I Rep That West." Someone tell me what is really goin on here.
The South supports all Southern music. You hear Atlanta, New Orleans, Miami, and Houston all over the South and their local cats get airplay to help jumpstart them. Even if it's some wack stuff like "stanky legs" or if it's to jumpstar a career like Mike Jones, Slim Thug, etc.
Why don't the Westcoast DJs play Westcoast music? Why don't any DJs play West music unless it's the 90's classic shit? There is a bigger problem with Westcoast music, something rotten at the core -- a stigma/mindset against the West.
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I think the bigger issue is that the DJs don't play the music. You can't be a Westcoast cat and go to the radio station and tell the DJ to play your record unless you got some major bank roll behind you or Jimmy Iovine or Dr Dre stamps their approval on it.
Also, whether people want to admit it or not, there's still a bitter distain that dates back to the East/West rivalry against the West on New York radio stations. For example, Hot 97 in NY don't play no Westcoast music unless it's Snoop Dogg or another NY artist is a feature. New York is struggling too, but at the same time, the West Coast radio stations will play four or five New York tracks across the map compared to only one West coast track. If you're a cat from L.A. who's got some hope, you can't even get your track played on L.A. radio. Even though NY is struggling like LA, Hot 97 plays their local artists and gives them a crack. The DJs play their local shit, their Joell Ortiz, etc.
Could you imagine if DMX made a track called "I Rep that East," it would surely get shine from Hot97 and Eastcoast stations. But Cube makes "I Rep That West," and I ask a DJ at the club to spin it and he shakes his head and says "I don't get down like that." This is Ice Cube, not some peanut rapper. Yet, they play that "Empire State of Mind" track by Jay-Z allover Westcoast radio, but they won't play a track called "I Rep That West." Someone tell me what is really goin on here.
The South supports all Southern music. You hear Atlanta, New Orleans, Miami, and Houston all over the South and their local cats get airplay to help jumpstart them. Even if it's some wack stuff like "stanky legs" or if it's to jumpstar a career like Mike Jones, Slim Thug, etc.
Why don't the Westcoast DJs play Westcoast music? Why don't any DJs play West music unless it's the 90's classic shit? There is a bigger problem with Westcoast music, something rotten at the core -- a stigma/mindset against the West.
alot of networth in what you said my equal,but you got to remember the guy we got who's look at as the face of radio out here is a guy that's from the south FELLI FELL!, his mindstate is chipper jones only and do for his own equals, and it's like our radio stations look at our listeners like it's the nfl, in that it's no team out here so we have to picc and choose who we like since we have no official home team (this is for LA STRICCLY AND EXCLUDING S.D.) it's fucc'd up but that's how it seems to me at radio yell
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Also, whether people want to admit it or not, there's still a bitter distain that dates back to the East/West rivalry against the West on New York radio stations. For example, Hot 97 in NY don't play no Westcoast music unless it's Snoop Dogg or another NY artist is a feature.
thank you ive been saying that for years.
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Shiest i'ma have 2 disagree with u on tha part about just keepin it west and don't worry about the radio play. you're basically saying everybody should go back 2 doing songs with "california" b4 or after the next word in the song and everybody should keep the funk bass and the "khakis and lowriders and palm trees" thing going on.... no sir...
and thank you too sir thats 1 of the biggest problems.
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redundacy has never been that significant an issue.. believe it or not.
Yall are closer with the 'disdain' argument.. that's a very realistic point.
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them east cats never really liked us to be truthful,been that way since dougie fresh etc, yell
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Truest sh*t ever..
Even in my prime I had to spend almost 3 weeks in NY pleading my case with Hot 97, Power 92
and any DJ who was the man at the time to play "Wake Up" which was already breaking Top 10 by this point.
End Result.. I got the adds organically and "Wake Up" did ridiculously well.
Now.. who is really gonna go through all that in this day to convince some fools on the opposite coast to play what they already should be?
I also saw someone mention that the West should be (more) creative.. ROFLMAO.. ;D
in other words, design another creative blueprint for other coasts to make off with and shut us out once again..? NAH.
I'ma say this again.. We aren't struggling due to Creativity. It's more political than any of the points brought up in this thread.
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I still think theres a place for westcoast music...respect the south. they were in a similar position in 2000...no one really was into the whole southside thing then. But No Limit, Cash Money etc got their independant game on and forced themselves into the industry.
All the west needs is to stop following blueprints...keep is west,keep it real and stop obsessing on sales.
And someone stated the has been no breakout artists recently??? Drake, B.O.B.,Gucci Mane, Nicki Minaj,Kid Cudi...dont get me wrong, i know someone is going to say that these are all "pop" acts, but they did their thing. a breakout artist is still possible !
Westcoast needs a hot hot hot single !! lets see what happens with Nipsey...i support that dude.
Jay Rock etc got no chance. They been around too long now. No one really is interested. Beside, i think Ice Cube dead him already.
^^^^^alot of problems in what you just said, you only going to support nipsey and you think jay rocc been around to long? that's fucc'n stupid if he or any other makes hot music that's all that counts,stop having that mainstream point of thinking my equal,and that's a major problem for cats out here, the fans now act like the old stiffs who run the labels and radio. it's like electing obama equals get him in the white house and think that's the end all,no it's still other local areas that need to be fixed by mayor's etc,stop just think'n you have to do a succ off fest on one artist,fucc age or how long they been around. yell
I said Jay Rock cos he hasnt had a hot track in ages...its all started to sound the same. He actually is quiet boring. And K Dot should have stayed as K Dot...this whole Kendrick Lamar think is going to be difficult for him to run with. Too one dimensional, Lupe had that same issue...
We need a new " Nuthing But a G Thang", "Whats My Name", California Love"...a monster single !
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I still think theres a place for westcoast music...respect the south. they were in a similar position in 2000...no one really was into the whole southside thing then. But No Limit, Cash Money etc got their independant game on and forced themselves into the industry.
All the west needs is to stop following blueprints...keep is west,keep it real and stop obsessing on sales.
And someone stated the has been no breakout artists recently??? Drake, B.O.B.,Gucci Mane, Nicki Minaj,Kid Cudi...dont get me wrong, i know someone is going to say that these are all "pop" acts, but they did their thing. a breakout artist is still possible !
Westcoast needs a hot hot hot single !! lets see what happens with Nipsey...i support that dude.
Jay Rock etc got no chance. They been around too long now. No one really is interested. Beside, i think Ice Cube dead him already.
^^^^^alot of problems in what you just said, you only going to support nipsey and you think jay rocc been around to long? that's fucc'n stupid if he or any other makes hot music that's all that counts,stop having that mainstream point of thinking my equal,and that's a major problem for cats out here, the fans now act like the old stiffs who run the labels and radio. it's like electing obama equals get him in the white house and think that's the end all,no it's still other local areas that need to be fixed by mayor's etc,stop just think'n you have to do a succ off fest on one artist,fucc age or how long they been around. yell
I said Jay Rock cos he hasnt had a hot track in ages...its all started to sound the same. He actually is quiet boring. And K Dot should have stayed as K Dot...this whole Kendrick Lamar think is going to be difficult for him to run with. Too one dimensional, Lupe had that same issue...
We need a new " Nuthing But a G Thang", "Whats My Name", California Love"...a monster single !
you are a fucking idiot everyone I know who has heard Jay Rock material says he got the hottest shit on the coast...who is this we homie you aint puttin in work you on a forum being a backward thinking negative force...it is fans like YOU who have the mindstate YOU do that fuck US up you are so retarted,and fucking stupid it is difficult to read your opinion
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we do need a big joint red i agree with that,but it doesn't have to be a fucc'n gangsta record, we need a record that can stand on it's on and be a hit,and who know's jay rocc could be the one who does it,can't just rule equals out cause they ain't put out an album yet, yell
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real talk shade....all other regions took this coasts style and ran wit it...now wayne is gang bangin on records and sellin millions...he would sell anyway but when the west was doin gangsta shit on records and in videos....it needed to be banned...same shit but we get hated on so
1.why create another style for them to run wit
2.gangsta muzik is still wanted DEAD OR ALIVE
Truest sh*t ever..
Even in my prime I had to spend almost 3 weeks in NY pleading my case with Hot 97, Power 92
and any DJ who was the man at the time to play "Wake Up" which was already breaking Top 10 by this point.
End Result.. I got the adds organically and "Wake Up" did ridiculously well.
Now.. who is really gonna go through all that in this day to convince some fools on the opposite coast to play what they already should be?
I also saw someone mention that the West should be (more) creative.. ROFLMAO.. ;D
in other words, design another creative blueprint for other coasts to make off with and shut us out once again..? NAH.
I'ma say this again.. We aren't struggling due to Creativity. It's more political than any of the points brought up in this thread.
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well see if nipsey hussle can break the mode for some new westcoast mainstream luv .
i doubt it though the industry is scared of the westcoast culture .
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its 20fuckin10! no one in LA gang bangs no more gangsta rap now a days is only cool to wiggers and kids from the suburbs aint no one bangin no more that shit is played out its been 20+ years how the fuck is gangsta rap gon stay fresh after 20+ especially after there are fake ass rappers and shit all callin themselves "gangsta" get the fuck outta here HIP HOP is HIP HOP the west has to make HIP HOP dont matter what kind make good shit that people want to listen to and i aint talkin bout people that are stuck in the past/get boners over the word "detox"/still waitin for tupac to come out wit tracks
man SHUT THE FUCC UP . GO LISTEN TO YOUR FAKE GANGSTA RAP LIKE LIL WAYNE , YOUNG JEEZY , DIP SET , RICK ROSS OFFICER RICKY FAGGOT !!!!!!
THIS WESTCOAST ALL DAY MC EIHT AND CMW , ICE CUBE , ANDRE NICKATINA , BROTHA LYNCH HUNG , MAC DRE , TOO SHORT , WC , JAYO FELONY , E-40 AND THE CLICC , DJ QUIK , ABOVE THE LAW , DAZ & KURUPT AND THE DOGG POUND NATE DOGG , WARREN G , SNOOP .................................
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I still think theres a place for westcoast music...respect the south. they were in a similar position in 2000...no one really was into the whole southside thing then. But No Limit, Cash Money etc got their independant game on and forced themselves into the industry.
All the west needs is to stop following blueprints...keep is west,keep it real and stop obsessing on sales.
And someone stated the has been no breakout artists recently??? Drake, B.O.B.,Gucci Mane, Nicki Minaj,Kid Cudi...dont get me wrong, i know someone is going to say that these are all "pop" acts, but they did their thing. a breakout artist is still possible !
Westcoast needs a hot hot hot single !! lets see what happens with Nipsey...i support that dude.
Jay Rock etc got no chance. They been around too long now. No one really is interested. Beside, i think Ice Cube dead him already.
^^^^^alot of problems in what you just said, you only going to support nipsey and you think jay rocc been around to long? that's fucc'n stupid if he or any other makes hot music that's all that counts,stop having that mainstream point of thinking my equal,and that's a major problem for cats out here, the fans now act like the old stiffs who run the labels and radio. it's like electing obama equals get him in the white house and think that's the end all,no it's still other local areas that need to be fixed by mayor's etc,stop just think'n you have to do a succ off fest on one artist,fucc age or how long they been around. yell
I said Jay Rock cos he hasnt had a hot track in ages...its all started to sound the same. He actually is quiet boring. And K Dot should have stayed as K Dot...this whole Kendrick Lamar think is going to be difficult for him to run with. Too one dimensional, Lupe had that same issue...
We need a new " Nuthing But a G Thang", "Whats My Name", California Love"...a monster single !
you are a fucking idiot everyone I know who has heard Jay Rock material says he got the hottest shit on the coast...who is this we homie you aint puttin in work you on a forum being a backward thinking negative force...it is fans like YOU who have the mindstate YOU do that fuck US up you are so retarted,and fucking stupid it is difficult to read your opinion
You can have your opinion on Jay Rock, but he will never be more than a mixtape artist...so if u enjoy mixtapes then thats cool for you. Me personally, i need a westcoast ALBUM, and then most def not going to be Jay Rock