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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: HBKid_Jr on June 06, 2002, 04:42:52 PM
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am i tha only 1 that thinks destroy an rebuild is a better diss an song than ether
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Both good songs, but Ehter kills Destroy & rebuild
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It Doesn't KILL it.. but it probably is tha better song. Mainly because "Take Over" was original and came from Jay Z. Destroy & Rebuild was a remake... turned into a diss. Seemed simpler. I personally like Destroy & Rebuild more but I wouldn't call it better.
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I think "Ether" is a better diss, but "Destroy & Rebuild" is a better song imo, I can listen to it regardless of it being a diss ya know, like "Ether" is a classic diss, it's gonna go down in hip-hop history for sure, but as a song it's old now, the novelty has faded. I think D&R could of been a better diss towards Cormega though.
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1023417772;start=0#3 date=06/07/02 at 05:56:25]I think "Ether" is a better diss, but "Destroy & Rebuild" is a better song imo, I can listen to it regardless of it being a diss ya know,
Agree
"Ether worked better as a diss, but as a song "Destroy & Rebuild" was doper. Also I think "Ether" was just above average for a diss-song.
"Destroy & Rebuild" was not the best diss, but it's a nice song.
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1023417772;start=0#3 date=06/07/02 at 05:56:25]"Ether" is a classic diss, it's gonna go down in hip-hop history for sure, but as a song it's old now, the novelty has faded. I think D&R could of been a better diss towards Cormega though.
"Takeover" was better than "Ether", for sure... how immature is it to call Jigga and The ROC "Gay-Z" and "Cockafella"? That was a pathetic diss from a poor rapper who was obviously short of ideas when writing his lyrics.
"Destroy & Rebuild" was also better than "Ether", frankly I can't see what so good about that song.
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well...aside of "ether" being a real nice diss track, it wasn"t very suffisticated(in exception of dat "I...will ...not...loose" on the chorus..lol) nor very original concept-wise but a real nice diss,
"destroy and rebuild" wasn"t as well executed, but it shown a much more realistic and acsessable aproach to the beef, it wasn"t that same "spray venom just for the sake of spraying"
but it shown basiclly a relationship picture between the beefen sides-therefore, it was more cinematic and seemed much more easy to understand for the listener, also din"t seem as childish or as petty as "ether".
my pick is "destroy..."
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well...aside of "ether" being a real nice diss track, it wasn"t very suffisticated(in exception of dat "I...will ...not...loose" on the chorus..lol) nor very original concept-wise but a real nice diss,
"destroy and rebuild" wasn"t as well executed, but it shown a much more realistic and acsessable aproach to the beef, it wasn"t that same "spray venom just for the sake of spraying"
but it shown basiclly a relationship picture between the beefen sides-therefore, it was more cinematic and seemed much more easy to understand for the listener, also din"t seem as childish or as petty as "ether".
my pick is "destroy..."
Word.
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Biggie and Jaz-O is what killed Jigga. And the dissing women, and what not. All that was jaw dropping 'cause it's true. Ether was an endless diss, that had what I call diss feelers or shit that ain't true. Like most battle, with 'Pac and Hit 'Em Up, or Dre and Dre Day, or Eazy and Real Muthaphukkin' G'z, or Jigga and Super Ugly, (break beer bottles on your boys chip tooth). But that's suppose to be an EmCees wit and creativity, which is part of a hip-hop battle. Man, study hip-hop and battling. Not all facts, more wit.
Destroye and Rebuild was a great song, I like listening to more than Ether, but the disses weren't as great. More like a warning, or something. But not a direct diss. It was a tight song though. Overall, I wouldn't mind Destroye and Rebuild aimed at me, 'cause it didn't do much, but I would, and have, bump it in my car. Peace.
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Nas fuckin murdered Jay Z, shit was a bloodbath, ether is the better diss song, better than takeover and destroy....
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Biggie and Jaz-O is what killed Jigga. And the dissing women, and what not. All that was jaw dropping 'cause it's true. Ether was an endless diss, that had what I call diss feelers or shit that ain't true. Like most battle, with 'Pac and Hit 'Em Up, or Dre and Dre Day, or Eazy and Real Muthaphukkin' G'z, or Jigga and Super Ugly, (break beer bottles on your boys chip tooth). But that's suppose to be an EmCees wit and creativity, which is part of a hip-hop battle. Man, study hip-hop and battling. Not all facts, more wit.
Destroye and Rebuild was a great song, I like listening to more than Ether, but the disses weren't as great. More like a warning, or something. But not a direct diss. It was a tight song though. Overall, I wouldn't mind Destroye and Rebuild aimed at me, 'cause it didn't do much, but I would, and have, bump it in my car. Peace.
I disagree... fuck it, I'ma dissect both songs for y'all (Ether, Takeover), and come up with a winner.
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Aww c'mon guys, "Ether" killed "Takeover", he took out Jay with that one, you can't deny it, once "Ether" broke out everyone was ready to crown Nas, thats how dope it was. The fact that he backed it up with a great album "Stillmatic" also helped with the crowning but no-one can deny the impact "Ether" had. Like M Dogg said, Jaz-O was the key element in that diss, hardly anyone knew who the fuck he was or what impact he had on Jay's career before Nas clearly exposed it, that was a classic jab and a very original and thought through diss. Anyways, this argument is getting tired anyways, we could go round in circles all day 'cos at the end of the day it's all about your personal preference....
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Nas fuckin murdered Jay Z, shit was a bloodbath, ether is the better diss song, better than takeover and destroy....
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1023417772;start=0#11 date=06/08/02 at 04:49:30]Aww c'mon guys, "Ether" killed "Takeover", he took out Jay with that one, you can't deny it, once "Ether" broke out everyone was ready to crown Nas, thats how dope it was. The fact that he backed it up with a great album "Stillmatic" also helped with the crowning but no-one can deny the impact "Ether" had. Like M Dogg said, Jaz-O was the key element in that diss, hardly anyone knew who the fuck he was or what impact he had on Jay's career before Nas clearly exposed it, that was a classic jab and a very original and thought through diss. Anyways, this argument is getting tired anyways, we could go round in circles all day 'cos at the end of the day it's all about your personal preference....
Nas sleepwalked through the song... LOL, his flow was weak, you gotta admit that 704D. I can mention a whole lot of hard-hitting punchlines in "Takeover", whilst the ones in "Ether" were few and far between. Jay-Z was spitting the truth too, which cannot be said about Nas. He was making up fictionary stories.
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Nas sleepwalked through the song... LOL, his flow was weak, you gotta admit that 704D. I can mention a whole lot of hard-hitting punchlines in "Takeover", whilst the ones in "Ether" were few and far between. Jay-Z was spitting the truth too, which cannot be said about Nas. He was making up fictionary stories.
Where we listening to the same song, Nas has a very internse and focused flow. Nas was gunning for a knock out. And as I said before, hip-hop battles are judged on wit, and other shit, not just fact. And call himself better than Biggie, but saying his lyrics ain't truth, then what was Blueprint. And Jaz-O, him only seeming to diss women like Girls, Girls, Girls. Most girls I knew used to be big Jay-Z fans until that song. Throw in some good old story-telling, and you got yourself a winner. Super Ugly fell off hard, and Nas won. Compare Ether to other great diss songs, like Callin' Out Names, 2nd Round K.O., Return of the Ripper, and Real Muthaphukkin G'z. Listen to them great diss songs, and realize real hip-hop diss songs. I'll admit Takeover was a great track, and I didn't think Nas would comeback, but in the end Ether cameback, and it wasn't Takeover that Jigga lost, but Super Ugly.
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whats your point?
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whats your point?
The bloodbad shit.
It was as close as a diss battle can get.
On Hot97 the caller score was Nas 52% and Jigga 48%
You dont get much closer than that, and that was the PUBLIC's voting.
Talkin about "murdered" hahaha.
If you axe me, maybe the diss was those 2% tighter, but as a song, Takeover was DEFINATELY better.
Chorus, beat, tha whole package. (If you look behind the lyrics)
And if Jay Z used the WHOLE song to diss him, I dont think the score would have been the same.
And myself, I look objectively at it, I got both Blueprint & Stillmatic.
The "murdered" thing usually gets expressed when someone hates either one of those 2.
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The bloodbad shit.
It was as close as a diss battle can get.
On Hot97 the caller score was Nas 52% and Jigga 48%
You dont get much closer than that, and that was the PUBLIC's voting.
Talkin about "murdered" hahaha.
If you axe me, maybe the diss was those 2% tighter, but as a song, Takeover was DEFINATELY better.
Chorus, beat, tha whole package. (If you look behind the lyrics)
And if Jay Z used the WHOLE song to diss him, I dont think the score would have been the same.
And myself, I look objectively at it, I got both Blueprint & Stillmatic.
The "murdered" thing usually gets expressed when someone hates either one of those 2.
ok thats better than those damn smilies
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I think Ether is a better diss track, but Destroy and Rebuild is a better overall track, its better to bump to....
-{bLaDe}
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The bloodbad shit.
It was as close as a diss battle can get.
On Hot97 the caller score was Nas 52% and Jigga 48%
You dont get much closer than that, and that was the PUBLIC's voting.
Talkin about "murdered" hahaha.
If you axe me, maybe the diss was those 2% tighter, but as a song, Takeover was DEFINATELY better.
Chorus, beat, tha whole package. (If you look behind the lyrics)
And if Jay Z used the WHOLE song to diss him, I dont think the score would have been the same.
And myself, I look objectively at it, I got both Blueprint & Stillmatic.
The "murdered" thing usually gets expressed when someone hates either one of those 2.
Word, the two tracks can't be compared, that is the bottom line. Jay-Z murdered Prodigy & Nas on the same track. "Takeover" wasn't solely dedicated to Nas, whereas "Ether" was an all-out assault on Jay-Z. But fuck it, I ain't gonna dicuss this no more. To each his own...
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"Takeover" was better than "Ether", for sure... how immature is it to call Jigga and The ROC "Gay-Z" and "Cockafella"? That was a pathetic diss from a poor rapper who was obviously short of ideas when writing his lyrics.
"Destroy & Rebuild" was also better than "Ether", frankly I can't see what so good about that song.
I don't wanna turn this into a Nas Vs. Jigga thread even more, but to call Nas a 'poor rapper' is absurd man! Lol, c'mon now, thats just hateration talking. How can you refer to someone as a 'poor rapper' when they've created one of the greatest overall hip-hop albums ever? I would'nt refer to Jay as a 'poor rapper' just because i'm more of a fan of his 'rival', that's just being a hater. I don't think Jay's as good as some people would have you believe but he ain't no 'poor rapper'. C'mon now.
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i personally(as more of a JIGGA fan ) never thought NAS was a poor rapper...i think he is inconsistent as fuck-YEA...i think he might be real lazy and heavily relying on past glorys he had, at times-also TRUE....but he gots loads of potensial(even when his writing skillz were crying for help he still sounded amazing flowise-dis is also one of the major reasons why he is so overrated)...he was sleepen for like 3 albums but now it seems like he"s making it back home...he can still do much better than STILLMATIC but it was still great...
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(even when his writing skillz were crying for help he still sounded amazing flowise-dis is also one of the major reasons why he is so overrated)...he was sleepen for like 3 albums
I don't see where you can see he was 'crying for help' with his writing skills. Take "Hate Me Now", one of his worst songs according to most but hell that one verse he rapped was pretty amazing (i'll post if up later). I don't think his writing skills were lacking, I just think he was rapping about the wrong things (money, jewelry, basically bling bling shit which gets seriously played out). & what 3 albums was he sleeping on? IWW? No, great album. "I Am"? Good album. "Nastradamus"? Wack album compared to what he can and has achieved, but ya know everyone has their day, in Jay-Z's case "Vol. 2..". I think he's back for good now, guess we'll have to hear another top notch album to judge his consistency now but i'm willing to give him that chance, especially after "Stillmatic".
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^^^ Dissect Nas' lyrics in the song "Nastradamus" and you'll probably understand why I GEEZY was saying that... lol
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^^^ Dissect Nas' lyrics in the song "Nastradamus" and you'll probably understand why I GEEZY was saying that... lol
Thats what I mean man, he was rapping about the wrong things, he got too caught up in that 'bling, bling' thing throughout that album. But I did like this one line from that song, "I let y'all niggas bang my shit before Saddam hits" ;D
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I understand... while on the topic, which album did you think was better, Nas' "Nastradamus" or Jay-Z's "Vol. 2" ? ;D
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I understand... while on the topic, which album did you think was better, Nas' "Nastradamus" or Jay-Z's "Vol. 2" ? ;D
Good question...you should make a thread on this ;D
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>= link=board=outbound;num=1023417772;start=20#26 date=06/11/02 at 11:16:31]
Good question...you should make a thread on this ;D
Word, I'ma do that now...lol
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am i tha only 1 that thinks destroy an rebuild is a better diss an song than ether
nah homie u ain't, for the first time EVER we agree on somethin, cuz i believe that destroy and rebuild is a much better overall song and diss. Nas uses good lyrics in that song but on ether he uses weak pathetic grade 2 rhymes, and that beat is wack as fuck and destroy and rebuild beat is hard az fuck.
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I don't see where you can see he was 'crying for help' with his writing skills. Take "Hate Me Now", one of his worst songs according to most but hell that one verse he rapped was pretty amazing (i'll post if up later). I don't think his writing skills were lacking, I just think he was rapping about the wrong things (money, jewelry, basically bling bling shit which gets seriously played out). & what 3 albums was he sleeping on? IWW? No, great album. "I Am"? Good album. "Nastradamus"? Wack album compared to what he can and has achieved, but ya know everyone has their day, in Jay-Z's case "Vol. 2..". I think he's back for good now, guess we'll have to hear another top notch album to judge his consistency now but i'm willing to give him that chance, especially after "Stillmatic".
well you see...this is what my whole arguement stands ON...I never thought NAS"s lyrical skillz were crying for help cause he was rapping about paticular things, it"s his right to RAP about whatever topic he chooses, it"s very childish imo to dismiss a rapper cause of WHAT HE RAPs bout(the thing i demand from rappers as a listener is properlly delivering whichever story they choose)....lol..look what this typa aditude was doing to EM, for example..EM is hated by ignorent people who think he should rap about things they want.......
i said NAS"s writing skills waz crying for help only cause they simply were, he had no structural focus in his lyrics, it seemed like he was spitten a coupla NICE "big word" poetry lines all put together but did not have a proper conection between them....for those 3 albums...:imo IWW was a very,very poor album...it was my very first BIG dissapointment in that same dude who 2 years before amazed me wit some of the most focused street poetry i ever heared, I AM- was a slight improvement from IWW, but still was pretty much the same garbage that forced me to through another NAS album to the garbage CAN(where it belonged btw), and NASTRADAMUS was just the last piece of crap i felt i could take from NASIR...
as i said STILLMATIC is a great improvement tho.