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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on September 29, 2006, 12:25:52 AM
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I'm watching it now, I'll post my opinions later...
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV6fS81oPIk
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENDyosMKIOs
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmkQGwQB8UQ
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shaq's funny lol
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shaq's funny lol
yeah for a bitch
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he didn't even talk shit about the lakers...what you hatin on?
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he didn't even talk shit about the lakers...what you hatin on?
He's pissed Shaq bolted and 2 years later won yet another championship. He's also pissed everyone loves Shaq and people seem think Kobe is a dickhead.
Dont blame the guy tho he's just a passionate fan. ::)
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im not a big fan of shaq >:(
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he didn't even talk shit about the lakers...what you hatin on?
He's pissed Shaq bolted and 2 years later won yet another championship. He's also pissed everyone loves Shaq and people seem think Kobe is a dickhead.
Dont blame the guy tho he's just a passionate fan. ::)
you couldn't be more wrong. i didnt like shaq even when he was in L.A.
watch the video. the dude is an idiot. how many times did he avoid answering questions with his usual jokes? he's like a 34 year old 5 year old (if that makes sense)
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so? it's not like he's lying through his teeth or bull shitting.plus it's not like he said anything that wasn't true. dude even made fun of himself , what's wrong with that? i hate it when players say the "right thing" when you can tell they're lying
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^shaq called himself a leader and a team player. thats not a lie?
nik: get these niggas!
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props,pretty funny stuff
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-before shaq joined the orlando magic they were one of the worst teams in the NBA
-After shaq joined the orlando magic he led them to the nba finals and they never went below .500, he helped make a superstar out of penny hardaway, and made mediocre players like brian shaw dennis scott, and nick anderson into semi stars in the early 90's
-after shaq left the magic and the players on that team were never the same and they are STILL hurting 10 years later
-before shaq joined the lakers they were in the playoffs but never contenders
-when shaq joined the lakers they were contenders every year, eventually shaq would lead the lakers to 4 finals appearences, 3 nba championships,and he made all of his team mates better around him
-when shaq was traded , he was traded for 3 other players 1 of which was an all star/big name player, in any other trade for 3 for 1 the team with 3 players usually fared better than the team who got the 1, not so. after shaq leaves the lakers FAIL to go to the playoff for the first time in years, and the miami heat go to the e. con. finals and are a win away from going to the finals and probably would have gone if it wasn't for injuries. a year later shaq helps take the heat to the nba championship, as the lakers eek in and out of the first round .
leader, yes? team player....just ask dennis scott, scott skiles, nick anderson, anthony bowie, d george, derek fisher, rick fox, glen rice, mitch richmond, tyron lue, gary payton, alonzo mourning, eddie jones, nick van exel, jeff foster, eldin cambell, horace grant, lindsey hunter, brian shaw, karl malone, ac green, robert horry, ron harper, antione walker, james, posey, dwayne wade, jayson williams, udonis haslm , pat riley, brian hill, phil jackson, del harris , they've all said he is.
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WOW..what a fuckin dickrider..He broke up your favorite team & you're stil on his nuts.
-eventually shaq would lead the lakers to 4 finals appearences, 3 nba championships,and he made all of his team mates better around him
LOL please shut the fuck up..fuckin groupie!
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WOW..what a fuckin dickrider..He broke your favorite team & you're stil on his nuts.
-eventually shaq would lead the lakers to 4 finals appearences, 3 nba championships,and he made all of his team mates better around him
LOL please shut the fuck up..fuckin groupie!
He spits facts and you hate on him. You got issues.
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"The other players on the team wanted to make sure he (kobe) earned everything he got, that the coach didn't just give him something just because the fans wanted to see this young phenom play," recalled Del Harris, Bryant's first coach with the Lakers.
That was especially true of Shaquille O'Neal, the game's dominant young center who felt immense pressure to win championships. Each season his dislike of Bryant had grown.
"What suprised me about Shaquille during our early days in Los Angeles was how frustrated he got," said former Lakers GM Jerry West.
"He was not fun to be around. The shortcomings of our team and his teammates made him angry because he knew he was going to be judged on how much we won."
How angry?
Just months before Jackson arrived, O'Neal slapped Bryant during a pickup game at the Laker practice facility.
"It would not be forgotten," former Laker guard Derek Fisher said of the incident.
When Jackson and his coaching staff began work in Los Angeles, they were caught off guard by O'Neal's animosity toward Bryant.
"There was a lot of hatred in his heart," Tex Winter said of O'Neal. "He would speak his mind in our team meetings. He was saying really hateful. Kobe just took it and kept going."
Jackson had long been known for building an outstanding personal relationship with Michael Jordan in Chicago. That had been his strategy from the start: A great relationship with Jordan meant that everyone else on the team would fall in line.
Jackson astutely read that he faced a more severe choice in Los Angeles. The situation dictated that he could not be close to both Laker stars. So he made a logical choice, according to Winter. "Very early in our time in LA, Phil made the decision to go with Shaq. And he made it clear to Kobe and the press and everyone else that it was Shaq's team. He made it clear that he was far more interested in accommodating Shaq than Kobe. And Kobe seemed to accept this."
Winter, however, began to have concerns immediately. He said that he told Jackson that he (Jackson) seemed intent on making Bryant his "whipping boy," the player on which the coach traditionally takes out all of his frustration. Winter told Jackson that making a budding young superstar a whipping boy wasn't a good idea.
"Phil was trying to figure me out a little bit," Bryant recalled. "One of the things I told him is, "There's nothing to figure out. I'm just trying to play the game and learn the game the best I can." Once we got that established we started moving a little bit. But I didn't get into his mind games. I had so many other things to think about with this game. I didn't really have the time even to do that."
Perhaps Bryant should have paid more attention.
His relationship with Jackson only worsened over their five years together in LA. Winter said it was made worse by Jackson's refusal to have any sort of in-depth meeting or relationship with the young guard.
At the same time, Jackson leveled a variety of public attacks at Bryant during those years. At one point, Jackson told reporters that Bryant had sabotaged his own high school games to make himself look like a star.
Despite the situation, Bryant kept his anger under control, Winter said, until the 2003-04 NBA season. It was a contract year for both Bryant and Jackson, and the coach responded with a media campaign to discredit the guard. It culminated with Jackson's book, The Last Season, that depicted Bryant as a selfish and uncoachable player.
Jacson had worked behind the scences several times in not-so-subtle ways to get Bryant traded. But in January 2004, he decided on the direct approach. Jackson went to owner Jerry Buss and told him that he could no longer coach the team if Bryant remained.
Having witnessed the unfolding behind-the-scenes drama over five years, Buss told Jackson that was fine; his services would no longer be needed.
Stunned, Jackson abruptly changed his approach with Bryant. Suddenly, the coach began trying to have a relationship with Bryant, Winter said. And Bryant responded in kind.
"But it was too late," Winter said.
Buss had made up his mind. Jackson had to go. And the owner had no desire to meet O'Neal's demands for a lengthy extension on his $30 million plus a year contract. So the Lakers traded him to Miami (where O'Neal would later meekly agree to play for $20 million a season).
As he was cleaning out his office, a jilted Jackson did his best to portray Bryant as the villian in the breakup of the team, and soon that perception became the reality, simply because so many people believed it. Jacson made sure of it, phoning reporters as he drove from LA to his summer home in Montana. He dialed up columnists and radio talk shows to offer his version of events. Sports columnists everwhere who had no idea why the Lakers had fallen apart simply began reports as fact that Bryant had schemed to make it happen.
Despite the blame game Jackson was playing so deftly, he would later admite the truth. Despite all his success in LA, he had failed in his handling of Bryant. And that was one of the several factors in the breakup of a very successful team.
"In the final analysis, it's the coach's responsiblity to manage the team in the proper manner and not have those things happen," Winter said.
It was simply a huge mistake to not keep Bryant in the loop, said Winter. "I think Phil realises that now."
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By the sound of it, Shaquille O'Neal is one focused individual at the Los Angeles Lakers' training camp in Hawaii.
Focused on money, that is.
O'Neal is seeking a lucrative contract extension and is using the exhibition games as a forum to meet that end.
O'Neal talked about his desired extension in interviews before the exhibition opener Tuesday against Golden State. Then, in the third quarter of the game, after he made six straight shots, scored 14 points and emphatically rejected a shot by Golden State's Mike Dunleavy, O'Neal turned to the Lakers bench and yelled, "Now you gonna pay me?"
Owner Jerry Buss was seated on the other side of the court, however. A short time later, as O'Neal was on the bench during a timeout, he turned to reporters seated courtside and mouthed the words, "Pay me."
Before the game the next night, O'Neal saw reporters in the hallway outside the locker room, rubbed his fingers together in a money-counting gesture and shouted out, "Show me the money! Show me the money!"
Under National Basketball Association rules, O'Neal is eligible to receive a three-year extension worth upward of $108 million. O'Neal signed a maximum extension in 2000.
The extension for which O'Neal is eligible is so incredibly large because he is one of the rare players whose salary was grandfathered in before the latest collective bargaining agreement put a maximum on salaries.
The extension, which would start in 2006-'07, could make him the NBA's highest-paid player in that season by $12 million to $14 million over Minnesota's Kevin Garnett, who is also grandfathered in. Garnett, however, did not demand the maximum in his recent deal and "settled" for $100 million over five seasons, even though he was eligible for more than $180 million.
The way O'Neal looks at it, he is worth the maximum. "Last time they took care of me, we won three (champion
ships) in a row," O'Neal said. "So, if you believe in history and how history repeats itself, then. . . . I always give my maximum. On a good toe or a (hurt) toe, I always give my maximum. And that's all I want in return.
"I want honesty and I want the truth. If they're not going to do it, I'd rather they tell me that right now, so we can move on. But I always give my maximum. So, hopefully I can get it. Do I deserve it? Yeah, I deserve it."
O'Neal said he didn't even know how much he is making now. His salary is $24.75 million.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/buck/oct03/176576.asp
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GRAY: What was your reaction to Shaq saying the Lakers are his team, and everybody knows it?
BRYANT: It doesn't matter whose team it is. Nobody cares. I don't, Karl [Malone] doesn't, Gary [Payton] doesn't, and our teammates and the fans don't either. There's more to life than whose team this is. But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy.
GRAY: Do you consider Shaq to be a leader?
BRYANT: Leaders don't beg for a contract extension and negotiate some 30 million [dollars] plus per year deal in the media when we have two future Hall of Famers playing here pretty much for free. A leader would not demand the ball every time down the floor when you have the three of us [Malone, Payton, Bryant] playing beside you, not to mention the teammates you have gone to war with for years -- and, by the way, then threaten not to play defense and rebound if you don't get the ball every time down the floor.
GRAY: Shaq says that you have not been a team player. Is he right?
BRYANT: That's ridiculous. I have been successfully sacrificing my game for years for Shaq. That's what Phil [Jackson] wanted me to do, so I did it. Last year Phil told me Shaq was not in physical condition to carry the trust of our offense, so he asked me to do it. But then he saw Shaq was getting upset that the team wasn't running through him, so Phil asked me to pull back and I did. This year is no different; my role is whatever Phil wants it to be. Period.
GRAY: Through out the preseason, your leg and conditioning has been lagging. Are you in the proper shape to start the season?
BRYANT: My knee is not strong enough to play yet. I know it. When it is I will play.
GRAY: Does that mean you will miss the opener [Tuesday] night and other games?
BRYANT: I probably won't play tomorrow night or until I'm ready. But I don't need Shaq's advice on how to play hurt. I've played with IVs before, during and after games. I've played with a broken hand, a sprained ankle, a torn shoulder, a fractured tooth, a severed lip, and a knee the size of a softball. I don't miss 15 games because of a toe injury that everybody knows wasn't that serious in the first place.
GRAY: Kobe, Shaq said if you didn't like what he had to say you can opt out and leave next season. Will you leave the Lakers?
BRYANT: I won't make that decision until the end of the season. I told Shaq last year that I was planning on opting out. He knew before anyone. I told him out of respect for what we have been through together. I thought he should be the first to know. The fact that he acts like this is such a big shock is a mystery to me. If leaving the Lakers at the end of the season is what I decide, a major reason for that will be Shaq's childlike selfishness and jealousy.
GRAY: Do you feel Shaq has been supportive in regards to your legal situation?
BRYANT: He is not my quote unquote "big brother." A big brother would have called to lend his support this summer. I heard absolutely nothing from him. I spoke to Devean [George], Rick [Fox], Mitch [Kupchak], Phil, and our owner Jerry Buss. And Shaq's own Uncle Jerome called and left three messages. Other teammates like Derek [Fisher], Mark [Madsen], and [Stanislav Medvedenko] left messages as well. Opponents called like [Chris] Webber, [Mike] Bibby, and many others. So did a lot of coaches. Michael Jordan, who didn't have my home phone, tracked it down to lend his support. So did Tiger Woods. But yet from my so-called big brother, I heard nothing.
GRAY: Why not resolve this behind closed doors? Why is this so public?
BRYANT: I asked Phil on Sunday [yesterday] to say something to calm this situation down before it boiled over. But he backed away, so now here we are. I have been a bigger person every time something happened with Shaq, and I don't expect this to be any different. But somebody in this organization had to speak up, because his unprofessionalism hurt us last year, and I don't want it to hurt us this year.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4769-2004Dec16.html
Meanwhile, Bryant said yesterday during interviews on ESPN's "Pardon the Interruption" and "NBA Shootaround" that he wants to apologize to O'Neal for mentioning O'Neal's name during a police interview last year. After Bryant was accused of sexually assaulting a woman in Eagle, Colo., in June 2003, he told police that O'Neal paid hush money to women he was involved with.
Stop snitchin
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GRAY: What was your reaction to Shaq saying the Lakers are his team, and everybody knows it?
BRYANT: It doesn't matter whose team it is. Nobody cares. I don't, Karl [Malone] doesn't, Gary [Payton] doesn't, and our teammates and the fans don't either. There's more to life than whose team this is. But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy.
GRAY: Do you consider Shaq to be a leader?
BRYANT: Leaders don't beg for a contract extension and negotiate some 30 million [dollars] plus per year deal in the media when we have two future Hall of Famers playing here pretty much for free. A leader would not demand the ball every time down the floor when you have the three of us [Malone, Payton, Bryant] playing beside you, not to mention the teammates you have gone to war with for years -- and, by the way, then threaten not to play defense and rebound if you don't get the ball every time down the floor.
GRAY: Shaq says that you have not been a team player. Is he right?
BRYANT: That's ridiculous. I have been successfully sacrificing my game for years for Shaq. That's what Phil [Jackson] wanted me to do, so I did it. Last year Phil told me Shaq was not in physical condition to carry the trust of our offense, so he asked me to do it. But then he saw Shaq was getting upset that the team wasn't running through him, so Phil asked me to pull back and I did. This year is no different; my role is whatever Phil wants it to be. Period.
GRAY: Through out the preseason, your leg and conditioning has been lagging. Are you in the proper shape to start the season?
BRYANT: My knee is not strong enough to play yet. I know it. When it is I will play.
GRAY: Does that mean you will miss the opener [Tuesday] night and other games?
BRYANT: I probably won't play tomorrow night or until I'm ready. But I don't need Shaq's advice on how to play hurt. I've played with IVs before, during and after games. I've played with a broken hand, a sprained ankle, a torn shoulder, a fractured tooth, a severed lip, and a knee the size of a softball. I don't miss 15 games because of a toe injury that everybody knows wasn't that serious in the first place.
GRAY: Kobe, Shaq said if you didn't like what he had to say you can opt out and leave next season. Will you leave the Lakers?
BRYANT: I won't make that decision until the end of the season. I told Shaq last year that I was planning on opting out. He knew before anyone. I told him out of respect for what we have been through together. I thought he should be the first to know. The fact that he acts like this is such a big shock is a mystery to me. If leaving the Lakers at the end of the season is what I decide, a major reason for that will be Shaq's childlike selfishness and jealousy.
GRAY: Do you feel Shaq has been supportive in regards to your legal situation?
BRYANT: He is not my quote unquote "big brother." A big brother would have called to lend his support this summer. I heard absolutely nothing from him. I spoke to Devean [George], Rick [Fox], Mitch [Kupchak], Phil, and our owner Jerry Buss. And Shaq's own Uncle Jerome called and left three messages. Other teammates like Derek [Fisher], Mark [Madsen], and [Stanislav Medvedenko] left messages as well. Opponents called like [Chris] Webber, [Mike] Bibby, and many others. So did a lot of coaches. Michael Jordan, who didn't have my home phone, tracked it down to lend his support. So did Tiger Woods. But yet from my so-called big brother, I heard nothing.
GRAY: Why not resolve this behind closed doors? Why is this so public?
BRYANT: I asked Phil on Sunday [yesterday] to say something to calm this situation down before it boiled over. But he backed away, so now here we are. I have been a bigger person every time something happened with Shaq, and I don't expect this to be any different. But somebody in this organization had to speak up, because his unprofessionalism hurt us last year, and I don't want it to hurt us this year.
lol good read
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4769-2004Dec16.html
Meanwhile, Bryant said yesterday during interviews on ESPN's "Pardon the Interruption" and "NBA Shootaround" that he wants to apologize to O'Neal for mentioning O'Neal's name during a police interview last year. After Bryant was accused of sexually assaulting a woman in Eagle, Colo., in June 2003, he told police that O'Neal paid hush money to women he was involved with.
Stop snitchin
Shaq's A Bitch for going along with that story..Kobe told shaq during training camp not to believe the bullshit that was going to come out of Eagle.CO.
Shaq got Butthurt that someone said "no" to him and he started shiting on everyone on the Lakers...including going along with that Story..lol @ the dumbasses that actually believe those dirty ass cops in Eagle,CO.
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again.....just ask dennis scott, scott skiles, nick anderson, anthony bowie, d george, derek fisher, rick fox, glen rice, mitch richmond, tyron lue, gary payton, alonzo mourning, eddie jones, nick van exel, jeff foster, eldin cambell, horace grant, lindsey hunter, brian shaw, karl malone, ac green, robert horry, ron harper, antione walker, james, posey, dwayne wade, jayson williams, udonis haslm , pat riley, brian hill, phil jackson, del harris , they've all said he is.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4769-2004Dec16.html
Meanwhile, Bryant said yesterday during interviews on ESPN's "Pardon the Interruption" and "NBA Shootaround" that he wants to apologize to O'Neal for mentioning O'Neal's name during a police interview last year. After Bryant was accused of sexually assaulting a woman in Eagle, Colo., in June 2003, he told police that O'Neal paid hush money to women he was involved with.
Stop snitchin
Shaq's A Bitch for going along with that story..Kobe told shaq during training camp not to believe the bullshit that was going to come out of Eagle.CO.
Shaq got Butthurt that someone said "no" to him and he started shiting on everyone on the Lakers...including going along with that Story..lol @ the dumbasses that actually believe those dirty ass cops in Eagle,CO.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1004044shaq1.html
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4769-2004Dec16.html
Meanwhile, Bryant said yesterday during interviews on ESPN's "Pardon the Interruption" and "NBA Shootaround" that he wants to apologize to O'Neal for mentioning O'Neal's name during a police interview last year. After Bryant was accused of sexually assaulting a woman in Eagle, Colo., in June 2003, he told police that O'Neal paid hush money to women he was involved with.
Stop snitchin
that's just fucked up
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Just wanted to say LMFAO@Big Jake for naming Eddie Jones as someone to ask if Shaq is a team player...People know what I think about Shaq. Dude is a big child who wants all the spotlight on him and has a lot of jealousy issues...You can't argue that, and you can't argue that Kobe showed a lot of patience and maturity beyond his years with Shaq when Shaq was acting like a little kid...PeACe
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Just wanted to say LMFAO@Big Jake for naming Eddie Jones as someone to ask if Shaq is a team player...People know what I think about Shaq. Dude is a big child who wants all the spotlight on him and has a lot of jealousy issues...You can't argue that, and you can't argue that Kobe showed a lot of patience and maturity beyond his years with Shaq when Shaq was acting like a little kid...PeACe
Quote a time where Eddie Jones had beef with Shaq. For all us non Laker fans, the only time I heard Eddie Jones had beef was with Kobe.
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^when exactly did eddie jones have "beef" with kobe
shaq has had problems with: penny hardaway, nick van excel, kobe, dennis rodman, text winters, and those are just the teammates he's had problems with. let's not forget barkley, vlade, and e.dampier.
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^when exactly did eddie jones have "beef" with kobe
shaq has had problems with: penny hardaway, nick van excel, kobe, dennis rodman, text winters, and those are just the teammates he's had problems with. let's not forget barkley, vlade, and e.dampier.
wow someone who claims to be a laker fan and can't even spell van exel or tex winter right....anything you say will hold less weight now.
like shaq said in the interview he views his relationships with penny, kobe, and wade like the godfather. penny was fredo, kobe was sonny, and wade was michael. he had beef with penny because he wasn't living up to what he could be but was trying to be a superstar, that's why he left for the lakers , he couldn't see himself winning a championship with him. nick van exel had beef with a lot if not all the lakers when he got traded, but with that said him and shaq always got along more so than not before and after he got traded. before rodman went to the lakers him and shaq didn't like each other but when he joined the lakers they got along fine.
-and so what about barkley he was never a team mate....but now that's all barkley does is kiss shaq's ass
-vlade, again so what he was never a teamate of his he was the rival on the kings....that one should go without saying, also in a playoff game when kobe got fouled hard by vlade shaq stood up for kobe
-e. dampier, lol again is he a teammate of shaq's?
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Just wanted to say LMFAO@Big Jake for naming Eddie Jones as someone to ask if Shaq is a team player...People know what I think about Shaq. Dude is a big child who wants all the spotlight on him and has a lot of jealousy issues...You can't argue that, and you can't argue that Kobe showed a lot of patience and maturity beyond his years with Shaq when Shaq was acting like a little kid...PeACe
when did eddie jones become a shaq hater, last time i checked he said his best years were in los angeles playing with shaq and when four of the lakers made the all star team
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Just wanted to say LMFAO@Big Jake for naming Eddie Jones as someone to ask if Shaq is a team player...People know what I think about Shaq. Dude is a big child who wants all the spotlight on him and has a lot of jealousy issues...You can't argue that, and you can't argue that Kobe showed a lot of patience and maturity beyond his years with Shaq when Shaq was acting like a little kid...PeACe
when did eddie jones become a shaq hater, last time i checked he said his best years were in los angeles playing with shaq and when four of the lakers made the all star team
I think the smog is getting to these Laker fans heads.
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LOL, remember when Kobe got busted for flossin that hotel janitor's buttcrack, and then snitched on Shaq? He could score 150 points in one game and it'll never erase that.
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Just wanted to say LMFAO@Big Jake for naming Eddie Jones as someone to ask if Shaq is a team player...People know what I think about Shaq. Dude is a big child who wants all the spotlight on him and has a lot of jealousy issues...You can't argue that, and you can't argue that Kobe showed a lot of patience and maturity beyond his years with Shaq when Shaq was acting like a little kid...PeACe
when did eddie jones become a shaq hater, last time i checked he said his best years were in los angeles playing with shaq and when four of the lakers made the all star team
LMAO! Boy, you're informed, aren't you? Shaq got Eddie traded not once, but TWICE. :-X
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LOL, remember when Kobe got busted for flossin that hotel janitor's buttcrack, and then snitched on Shaq? He could score 150 points in one game and it'll never erase that.
He never snitched on Shaq, he supposedly said "I shoulda done what Shaq does and paid my women hush money"...The whole thing was blown out of proportion, nothing nearly as shady as Shaq's treatment towards Kobe and the Laker organization over the years...
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Just wanted to say LMFAO@Big Jake for naming Eddie Jones as someone to ask if Shaq is a team player...People know what I think about Shaq. Dude is a big child who wants all the spotlight on him and has a lot of jealousy issues...You can't argue that, and you can't argue that Kobe showed a lot of patience and maturity beyond his years with Shaq when Shaq was acting like a little kid...PeACe
Quote a time where Eddie Jones had beef with Shaq. For all us non Laker fans, the only time I heard Eddie Jones had beef was with Kobe.
Read some Laker books and then get back at me...
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LOL, remember when Kobe got busted for flossin that hotel janitor's buttcrack, and then snitched on Shaq? He could score 150 points in one game and it'll never erase that.
He never snitched on Shaq, he supposedly said "I shoulda done what Shaq does and paid my women hush money"...The whole thing was blown out of proportion, nothing nearly as shady as Shaq's treatment towards Kobe and the Laker organization over the years...
so slandering someone's reputation is less of an offense?
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Just wanted to say LMFAO@Big Jake for naming Eddie Jones as someone to ask if Shaq is a team player...People know what I think about Shaq. Dude is a big child who wants all the spotlight on him and has a lot of jealousy issues...You can't argue that, and you can't argue that Kobe showed a lot of patience and maturity beyond his years with Shaq when Shaq was acting like a little kid...PeACe
Quote a time where Eddie Jones had beef with Shaq. For all us non Laker fans, the only time I heard Eddie Jones had beef was with Kobe.
Read some Laker books and then get back at me...
in which books is this issue addressed?
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Just wanted to say LMFAO@Big Jake for naming Eddie Jones as someone to ask if Shaq is a team player...People know what I think about Shaq. Dude is a big child who wants all the spotlight on him and has a lot of jealousy issues...You can't argue that, and you can't argue that Kobe showed a lot of patience and maturity beyond his years with Shaq when Shaq was acting like a little kid...PeACe
when did eddie jones become a shaq hater, last time i checked he said his best years were in los angeles playing with shaq and when four of the lakers made the all star team
LMAO! Boy, you're informed, aren't you? Shaq got Eddie traded not once, but TWICE. :-X
yeah the first time was to get your boy kobe in his possition and to get a 3 point specialist out on the peremeter so shaq could kick it out there when he got triple teamed down low, like in orlando with dennis scott
the second time he got traded it was more of an aging thing, he wasn't the same player as he used to be and he disappeared in clutch situations, remember? you can't keep a player if he's not showing up when you need him. when wade went down two years ago in the eastern conference finals everyone was expecting eddie to come through like he did with the lakers , but he just disappeared. again you can't keep a player who is unable to be there for you.
each time it was just business, nothing was personal. show me an article in which shaq is bashed by eddie jones or eddie jones showed displeasure with playing with shaq, and visa versa.
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^when exactly did eddie jones have "beef" with kobe
shaq has had problems with: penny hardaway, nick van excel, kobe, dennis rodman, text winters, and those are just the teammates he's had problems with. let's not forget barkley, vlade, and e.dampier.
wow someone who claims to be a laker fan and can't even spell van exel or tex winter right....anything you say will hold less weight now.
like shaq said in the interview he views his relationships with penny, kobe, and wade like the godfather. penny was fredo, kobe was sonny, and wade was michael. he had beef with penny because he wasn't living up to what he could be but was trying to be a superstar, that's why he left for the lakers , he couldn't see himself winning a championship with him. nick van exel had beef with a lot if not all the lakers when he got traded, but with that said him and shaq always got along more so than not before and after he got traded. before rodman went to the lakers him and shaq didn't like each other but when he joined the lakers they got along fine.
-and so what about barkley he was never a team mate....but now that's all barkley does is kiss shaq's ass
-vlade, again so what he was never a teamate of his he was the rival on the kings....that one should go without saying, also in a playoff game when kobe got fouled hard by vlade shaq stood up for kobe
-e. dampier, lol again is he a teammate of shaq's?
i dont give a fuck how they spell their names.
i know the last 3 were never his teammates, thats why i ended the first list with "and those are just the teammates he's had problems with".
you're way off on a lot of those. shaq called e.dampier out for no reason. he was singing songs about vlade and calling his team the sacramento queens. phil said it himself that shaq was close to "punching dennis rodman in the face".
shaq's problem with penny was the same as his problem with kobe - he too jealous to let anyone else get in the spotlight.
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LOL, remember when Kobe got busted for flossin that hotel janitor's buttcrack, and then snitched on Shaq? He could score 150 points in one game and it'll never erase that.
He never snitched on Shaq, he supposedly said "I shoulda done what Shaq does and paid my women hush money"...The whole thing was blown out of proportion, nothing nearly as shady as Shaq's treatment towards Kobe and the Laker organization over the years...
so slandering someone's reputation is less of an offense?
First of all, whatever information was disclosed was supposed to remain confidential, and who even knows what Kobe really said in an INTERROGATION? Doesn't really matter, shit was fabricated. Shaq destroyed Penny Hardaway and Eddie Jones and he tried doing the same with Kobe, only Kobe was too strong...Read Tex Winter's book, Mark Heislers "Madmen's Ball" as well...Shaq never liked Eddie Jones, Shaq had him traded twice because he refused to co-exist with him...He tried doing the same to Penny and Kobe, he's a selfish childish asshole...Think about it, Shaq never had his own team...It was always Shaq & Penny's Magic, Kobe & Shaq's Lakers, Wade & Shaq's Heat...With Michael Jordan, it was never Jordan & Pippen's Bulls, it was Jordan's Bulls...With the Spurs, it was not Duncan's & Ginobli's or Duncan & Parker's Spurs, it was Duncan's Spurs...Hakeem's Rockets Bird's Celtic's, and so forth...Shaq always has placed his individual accomplishments before his team accomplishments, he's admited this, he would break up a golden dynasty just to look good. Dude's a selfish asshole, and how you can support this guy and still consider yourself a Laker fan is beyond me...PeACe
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
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^when exactly did eddie jones have "beef" with kobe
shaq has had problems with: penny hardaway, nick van excel, kobe, dennis rodman, text winters, and those are just the teammates he's had problems with. let's not forget barkley, vlade, and e.dampier.
wow someone who claims to be a laker fan and can't even spell van exel or tex winter right....anything you say will hold less weight now.
like shaq said in the interview he views his relationships with penny, kobe, and wade like the godfather. penny was fredo, kobe was sonny, and wade was michael. he had beef with penny because he wasn't living up to what he could be but was trying to be a superstar, that's why he left for the lakers , he couldn't see himself winning a championship with him. nick van exel had beef with a lot if not all the lakers when he got traded, but with that said him and shaq always got along more so than not before and after he got traded. before rodman went to the lakers him and shaq didn't like each other but when he joined the lakers they got along fine.
-and so what about barkley he was never a team mate....but now that's all barkley does is kiss shaq's ass
-vlade, again so what he was never a teamate of his he was the rival on the kings....that one should go without saying, also in a playoff game when kobe got fouled hard by vlade shaq stood up for kobe
-e. dampier, lol again is he a teammate of shaq's?
i dont give a fuck how they spell their names.
i know the last 3 were never his teammates, thats why i ended the first list with "and those are just the teammates he's had problems with".
you're way off on a lot of those. shaq called e.dampier out for no reason. he was singing songs about vlade and calling his team the sacramento queens. phil said it himself that shaq was close to "punching dennis rodman in the face".
shaq's problem with penny was the same as his problem with kobe - he too jealous to let anyone else get in the spotlight.
like i said, if you claim to be a laker fan and can't even spell or get their names right, what you have to say hold no weight in an argument
do you want to talk about the players KOBE has had problems with? every player has problems with other players, and i think it's safe to say that KOBE has more problems with former team mates than shaq has which is ...kobe and penny c'mon now, notice how many players from the lakers left after shaq left. cooincidence? c'mon now downing shaq for dissing the KINGS....that right there says how desperate you are to downgrade the dude, EVERYONE was dissing them, i don't know if you noticed this (propbably not since you you think we spread sheet program playing point gaurd and two assitant coaches named tex winter) but the kings were and are the lakers' biggest rivals especially at the time of those comments, and vlade divac was a bitch who flopped to get fouls to get advantages in games, no REAL man plays BITCH like that, only a queen.
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
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He never snitched on Shaq, he supposedly said "I shoulda done what Shaq does and paid my women hush money"...The whole thing was blown out of proportion, nothing nearly as shady as Shaq's treatment towards Kobe and the Laker organization over the years...
so slandering someone's reputation is less of an offense?
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First of all, whatever information was disclosed was supposed to remain confidential, and who even knows what Kobe really said in an INTERROGATION? Doesn't really matter, shit was fabricated.
why is kobe appologizing for making those comments then?
Shaq destroyed Penny Hardaway and Eddie Jones
penny had the best years of his career under shaq's leadership, fact , shaq makes players better. why was it then after shaq left the magic penny's numbers and play fell? and if shaq "ruined eddie jones, how come he had his best season in charlotte? again the lakers traded eddie jones to make your idol a starter. glen rice was put in place to knock down threes when shaq was being triple teamed down low, why do you think mitch richmond played for the lakers, why do you think the lakers aquired robert horry in the first place? everything was put in place to build around and complement shaq, cuz after all the lakers were SHAQ"S team.
and he tried doing the same with Kobe, only Kobe was too strong...
so shaq should have kneeled down to kobe ? riiiight kobe's just BARELY learning how to pass and get his teammates involved, he's just barely beginning to become a leader. Shaq was in his prime, and kobe was trying to be the leader, Shaq's going to win that leadership battle especially in the triangle offense which was built to have a dominant big man in the middle. kobe is the best player all around, i'll admit that and has been for a while , but you can't deny he's more selfish than shaq, who was already making players around him better before kobe even heard of the concept . shaq wasn't trying to get rid of kobe until kobe started getting a big head. say what you want but shaq's leadership and experience is more valuable to a team than kobe's PPG. How many teams has shaq been the leader of? How many of them went to the finals? how many of them has he won a championship with? this goes back to resumes. a shaq team has only missed the playoffs ONE time (his rookie season)
Think about it, Shaq never had his own team...It was always Shaq & Penny's Magic, Kobe & Shaq's Lakers, Wade & Shaq's Heat...With Michael Jordan, it was never Jordan & Pippen's Bulls, it was Jordan's Bulls...With the Spurs, it was not Duncan's & Ginobli's or Duncan & Parker's Spurs, it was Duncan's Spurs...Hakeem's Rockets Bird's Celtic's, and so forth...
let's see michael jordan had scottie pippen and dennis rodman,another top 50 players of all time and the nba's greatest rebounders. it was always jordan and pippen and then in the mid 90's it became superman batman and rodman. and i know this was before your time but he also had john paxson who was one of the leagues best role players ,probably in history, jordan didn't do it by himself either. oh yeah and he didn't start winning either til he had phil jackson
let's see duncan had david robinson, no? the TWIN TOWERS, for two of those championships,lol his 3rd he didn't win by himself neither, he had like you said ginobli, parker, bowen , ect.
hakeem, wait a minute didn't he have clyde drexler with him? and also he had sam cassel , otis thorpe, vernon maxwell, kenny smith, mario ellie, and robert horry, he didn't exactly do it by himself neither
birds celtics? pete maravich, kevin mchale, nate archibald, robert parish, danny ainge, dennis johnson, bill walton he never did it by himself either, in fact the celtics were always refered by the bird mchale celtics.
Shaq always has placed his individual accomplishments before his team accomplishments, he's admited this, he would break up a golden dynasty just to look good. Dude's a selfish asshole, and how you can support this guy and still consider yourself a Laker fan is beyond me...PeACe
it would help if you supported this with quotes
here's some eddie jones quotes by the way :
Question: You've had Shaq on your team before. How much easier is it with Shaq than without Shaq?
Eddie Jones: We love to have him. He creates so much for us offensively. Defensively, he gives us opportunities to be more aggressive defensively. Offensively, he creates havok, and gets you open shots. If we can keep him healthy for 82 games, that would be great.
Question: Fans in Miami are obviously excited about having Shaq on the team.
Eddie Jones: Shaquille O'Neal, probably the best player on the planet. When you acquire someone of that magnitude, people are going to come. He's larger than life. Anybody can walk in a building, but when he walks in you notice him.
Question: Have you noticed more community support for the team this season?
Eddie Jones: It's huge. We have definitely crossed that bridge of not having many sellings to acquiring Shaq and everybody in the city speaking about him. It all boils down to what Shaq does. He creates the atmosphere. He's larger than life. He's the biggest guy in this league, the best player in this league, and he's going to create that kind of atmosphere.
Question: Compare Shaq of today with Shaq when you played with him years ago.
Eddie Jones: I don't think he has the athletic ability he had back then. When you get older, you're going to lose something. But he still demands the double-team. When a guy continues to demand a double-team, you can't say anything negative.
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Ok and you callin yourself a don and got Godfather pics in ya sig and youd rather be a cop LOL ok doggie :grumpy:
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Ok and you callin yourself a don and got Godfather pics in ya sig and youd rather be a cop LOL ok doggie :grumpy:
how old are you^?
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I love how idiots try to make it look like Penny fell off because Shaq left. I guess the injuries and arthritis in his knee had nothing to do with that.
Look at Penny's stats after Shaq left. He was still averaging 20 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assist, and 1 steall. He was just playing less games due to injuries. After that, he was never the same.
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I think the trade in the long run will help the Lakers. Especially if Shaq continues to play the way he has been playing. It was a bitter situation and it was best that both went their separate ways. I know when the Lakers were winning championship nobody was complaining. Miami is a OLD team and once Alonzo n Shaq go, this is going to be a lottery team. Then Wade is really going to have to be superman. Lakers are very young and give them some time, add 1 or 2 role players and they will be in good shape.
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Ok and you callin yourself a don and got Godfather pics in ya sig and youd rather be a cop LOL ok doggie :grumpy:
how old are you^?
R U writing a book ???
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I love how idiots try to make it look like Penny fell off because Shaq left. I guess the injuries and arthritis in his knee had nothing to do with that.
Look at Penny's stats after Shaq left. He was still averaging 20 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assist, and 1 steall. He was just playing less games due to injuries. After that, he was never the same.
no one ever said penny wasn't a good offensive weapon, but how well did the magic fare after he left? even before his left knee injury he was having problems trying to lead the team.
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Ok and you callin yourself a don and got Godfather pics in ya sig and youd rather be a cop LOL ok doggie :grumpy:
how old are you^?
R U writing a book ???
i like how you dodge the question in fear of getting dissed.
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so slandering someone's reputation is less of an offense?
Slander - a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report.
If Kobe really said that, not only is it not a false statement, but it was not meant to be heard by anyone other than the interrogator. The attempt of destroying a young budding superstar's career through jealousy and selfishness is a much worse offense in my book.
why is kobe appologizing for making those comments then?
He never apologized for those specific comments, he apologized to Shaq cuz he saw Shaq had a problem and that's just the type of person he is. From what has been reported, if Shaq's name was mentioned in the interrogation, it was completely twisted out of context...
penny had the best years of his career under shaq's leadership, fact , shaq makes players better. why was it then after shaq left the magic penny's numbers and play fell? and if shaq "ruined eddie jones, how come he had his best season in charlotte? again the lakers traded eddie jones to make your idol a starter. glen rice was put in place to knock down threes when shaq was being triple teamed down low, why do you think mitch richmond played for the lakers, why do you think the lakers aquired robert horry in the first place? everything was put in place to build around and complement shaq, cuz after all the lakers were SHAQ"S team.
Like I said earlier, please read some Laker books. It is very evident that you have no idea what you're talking about. Orlando was at the beginning of a new dynasty with Penny and Shaq, which Shaq happened to tear apart. In 1995, they were going to be one of the top young teams for years and years to come...Shaq shut their operation down, and they've never recovered after his departure. Shaq is the one who had Penny drafted by the Magic and then jumped ships to the Lakers, because a hatred for Penny and his fame grew within him. He left the Magic on stuck, ultimately dumping a whole lot of pressure on Penny's back and cursing his career. When he came to the Lakers, he had the same problem with Eddie Jones...Eddie could have just as easily moved to small forward (a position he played throughout his career often), which is what upper management wanted to do, since he was a project of Jerry West and West didn't wanna give up on him. Shaq didn't like Eddie, simple as that, he requested to have him moved and that's what happened. Robert Horry came to the Lakers because Cedric Ceballos wasn't complying and gave us a lot of problems, especially during Magic Johnson's return. He had a lot of issues with Magic taking a lot of his minutes at small forward when he believed in himself as a franchise player (he even nicknamed himself "chise"). We took the best offer we could get for Ceballos, it's not that we actually wanted Robert Horry in particular, he was just having problems with his staff at the time and was the best trade we could get...Everything was built around Shaq cuz that's how he demanded it. When it was time to build around Kobe (late 2001), the operation began, and Shaq got so damn mad that he threatned not to rebound and play defense if the offense didn't run through him and he wouldn't get more touches, so Phil Jackson asked Kobe to pull back...Very known story that you should know as well.
so shaq should have kneeled down to kobe ? riiiight kobe's just BARELY learning how to pass and get his teammates involved, he's just barely beginning to become a leader. Shaq was in his prime, and kobe was trying to be the leader, Shaq's going to win that leadership battle especially in the triangle offense which was built to have a dominant big man in the middle. kobe is the best player all around, i'll admit that and has been for a while , but you can't deny he's more selfish than shaq, who was already making players around him better before kobe even heard of the concept . shaq wasn't trying to get rid of kobe until kobe started getting a big head. say what you want but shaq's leadership and experience is more valuable to a team than kobe's PPG. How many teams has shaq been the leader of? How many of them went to the finals? how many of them has he won a championship with? this goes back to resumes. a shaq team has only missed the playoffs ONE time (his rookie season)
Remind me the last time Shaq wasn't pampered with a team ready to win built around him and another superstar? Please shut the fuck up, because you're not making sense. Kobe more selfish than Shaq? LMAOOOO. Kobe took a back seat for YEARS when he could have just as easily been a superstar on any other team in the league. He was willing to learn, condition night in and night out for his team, whatever it took to make them better. Shaq was the one who wanted Kobe traded, BEFORE THEY EVEN WON ANY TITLES TOGETHER! Why did Shaq look his absolute best alongside Kobe around 2000-2001? Because Kobe was WILLING to defer to Shaq, he was opening the outside and getting Shaq all those lovely dunks, pretty much like what Wade is doing now and Penny did before, only not nearly as good. To say Kobe is more selfish than Shaq is a joke...Shaq takes time off in the middle of the season and tells the great Jerry Buss "I got injured on company time and I'll heal on company time"...Kobe gets injured, and he takes care of it in the off-seaosn, just so that he can be prepared to lead his team when it's time...LOLLLL@comparing the two's selfishness. :grumpy:
let's see michael jordan had scottie pippen and dennis rodman,another top 50 players of all time and the nba's greatest rebounders. it was always jordan and pippen and then in the mid 90's it became superman batman and rodman. and i know this was before your time but he also had john paxson who was one of the leagues best role players ,probably in history, jordan didn't do it by himself either. oh yeah and he didn't start winning either til he had phil jackson
let's see duncan had david robinson, no? the TWIN TOWERS, for two of those championships,lol his 3rd he didn't win by himself neither, he had like you said ginobli, parker, bowen , ect.
hakeem, wait a minute didn't he have clyde drexler with him? and also he had sam cassel , otis thorpe, vernon maxwell, kenny smith, mario ellie, and robert horry, he didn't exactly do it by himself neither
birds celtics? pete maravich, kevin mchale, nate archibald, robert parish, danny ainge, dennis johnson, bill walton he never did it by himself either, in fact the celtics were always refered by the bird mchale celtics.
Nothing is before my time with basketball, and what are you, like 2 years older than me anyways? LOL. Like I said, it was ALWAYS Bird's Celtics, Jordan's Bulls, Duncan's Spurs (Robinson deferred), Hakeem's Rockets, etc. With Shaq, you always had 2 superstars who were just as big as one another. Shaq & Penny, Shaq & Kobe, Shaq & Wade, it's just how it was written, man...I'm sorry if you don't get it, but I'm sure others do.
Question: You've had Shaq on your team before. How much easier is it with Shaq than without Shaq?
Eddie Jones: We love to have him. He creates so much for us offensively. Defensively, he gives us opportunities to be more aggressive defensively. Offensively, he creates havok, and gets you open shots. If we can keep him healthy for 82 games, that would be great.
Question: Fans in Miami are obviously excited about having Shaq on the team.
Eddie Jones: Shaquille O'Neal, probably the best player on the planet. When you acquire someone of that magnitude, people are going to come. He's larger than life. Anybody can walk in a building, but when he walks in you notice him.
Question: Have you noticed more community support for the team this season?
Eddie Jones: It's huge. We have definitely crossed that bridge of not having many sellings to acquiring Shaq and everybody in the city speaking about him. It all boils down to what Shaq does. He creates the atmosphere. He's larger than life. He's the biggest guy in this league, the best player in this league, and he's going to create that kind of atmosphere.
Question: Compare Shaq of today with Shaq when you played with him years ago.
Eddie Jones: I don't think he has the athletic ability he had back then. When you get older, you're going to lose something. But he still demands the double-team. When a guy continues to demand a double-team, you can't say anything negative.
Okay, and what's your point? That's an interview from before Shaq had Eddie traded for the second time. LOL. Eddie still isn't telling me anything new, he's speaking of a teammate the way you're supposed to, he didn't say anything about Shaq as a human being, he was talking about him as a player, and I never questioned Shaq's abilities as a player (until his recent decline). On the other hand, what I say is 100% true and it's proven. Shaq cares about his individual accomplishments a whole lot more than team accomplishments...That's why he tried destroying 2 franchises on his path to ensure he ends his career with a "GREAT RESUME". That's all he really cares about, and it's obvious...PeACe
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Are you retarded? SHAQ cheats on his wife...Jordan cheated on his wife. Magic cheated on his wife...99% of NBA players have cheated on their wives, it's just how the life on the road gets to them. Of course, you're a fucking brainwashed dude who eats the shit he gets fed in the media and actually believes Kobe is the anti-Christ and the terrible NBA player who, OMG!, CHEATS ON HIS WIFE!. LMAO@Jake.
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Ok and you callin yourself a don and got Godfather pics in ya sig and youd rather be a cop LOL ok doggie :grumpy:
how old are you^?
R U writing a book ???
i like how you dodge the question in fear of getting dissed.
I doubt eg gonna get dissed by this Fake Azz Don/Future Cop
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^then why are you avoiding the question?
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Are you retarded? SHAQ cheats on his wife...Jordan cheated on his wife. Magic cheated on his wife...99% of NBA players have cheated on their wives, it's just how the life on the road gets to them. Of course, you're a fucking brainwashed dude who eats the shit he gets fed in the media and actually believes Kobe is the anti-Christ and the terrible NBA player who, OMG!, CHEATS ON HIS WIFE!. LMAO@Jake.
shaq's wife looks like a monkey, jordan's wife looks like gorilla, and magic's wife looks like a chimpanzee, i'm not saying i condone their acts, which i don't , you should never cheat on your wife, but like i said i'd rather be a cop then cheat on my wife, ESPECIALLY if i had kobe's wife, if i'm retarded then kobe is brain dead, why would you try to FUCK that up.
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Slander - a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report.
If Kobe really said that, not only is it not a false statement, but it was not meant to be heard by anyone other than the interrogator. The attempt of destroying a young budding superstar's career through jealousy and selfishness is a much worse offense in my book.
so you know for a fact that shaq paid off women? please show us proof, until then , kobe is slandering him
penny had the best years of his career under shaq's leadership, fact , shaq makes players better. why was it then after shaq left the magic penny's numbers and play fell? and if shaq "ruined eddie jones, how come he had his best season in charlotte? again the lakers traded eddie jones to make your idol a starter. glen rice was put in place to knock down threes when shaq was being triple teamed down low, why do you think mitch richmond played for the lakers, why do you think the lakers aquired robert horry in the first place? everything was put in place to build around and complement shaq, cuz after all the lakers were SHAQ"S team.
Orlando was at the beginning of a new dynasty with Penny and Shaq, which Shaq happened to tear apart. In 1995, they were going to be one of the top young teams for years and years to come...Shaq shut their operation down, and they've never recovered after his departure.
Oh so you don't think that Jerry West had a LITTLE bit to do with shaq jumping ship? also after the magic got swept by the bull shaq knew he couldn't win a championship in orlando with the players and personel behind him, that's why and in shaq's words he went to the lakers. he wanted to be in a franchise that knew how to and had the desire to win.
Shaq is the one who had Penny drafted by the Magic
actually shaq had nothing to do with the drafting of penny hardaway, who wasn't even DRAFTED by the magic, Chris Webber was drafted to the magic, him and shaq were suppose to be that eras TWIN towers, then the magic's GM traded him for Penny. Shaq had nothing to do with that process, he was BARELY coming off a ROY season , he had no kind of pull in orlando yet.
and then jumped ships to the Lakers, because a hatred for Penny and his fame grew within him. He left the Magic on stuck, ultimately dumping a whole lot of pressure on Penny's back and cursing his career.
in all fairness to penny, the orlando magic were still a very well built team with nick anderson dennis scott and horace grant, and the rest of the cast , the only difference was ronny sikely at center instead of shaq. seriously it's not like the whole team was disbanded . in essence you just admitted that penny wasn't THAT important and that it was SHAQ that made him and that team great.
When he came to the Lakers, he had the same problem with Eddie Jones...Eddie could have just as easily moved to small forward (a position he played throughout his career often), which is what upper management wanted to do, since he was a project of Jerry West and West didn't wanna give up on him
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actually young one. when shaq came to the lakers him nick van exel and eddie jones got a long VERY well. Eddie could have moved to small forward BUT it wasn't what upper management was going to do with him, they were going to leave him at SG and put KOBE at SF, Del harris actually ran it this way many of times but what the lakers were trying to do was get a strong outside presence that shaq could kick it out to. hence glen rice being brought into the picture, mitch richmond, robert horry, ect. that's why all of those players came in and out of the organization. eddie whether shaq 'requested it or not' was traded more so FOR kobe than for shaq, eddie and kobe were both natural SHOOTING guards, having them at SF in the west at this time would not work, you could not keep both and expect one to come off the bench, Kobe had became what JW wanted eddie to be and more, also $$ it would be cheaper to bring in an aging glen rice than eddie, trading him out to charlotte worked well for both teams, charlotte got a young talent and got rid of a declining vet, the lakers got what they wanted as well a bone-a-fied 3 point threat and more time for kobe. again whether shaq 'had eddie traded' wasn't a personal move....actually and this is factual when the lakers played the hornets shaq and eddie embraced and even had a laugh or two, now shaq didn't do this with penny and kobe, two players we KNOW he hated, so wtf. show me PROOF that they hated each other.
Robert Horry came to the Lakers because Cedric Ceballos wasn't complying and gave us a lot of problems, especially during Magic Johnson's return. He had a lot of issues with Magic taking a lot of his minutes at small forward when he believed in himself as a franchise player (he even nicknamed himself "chise"). We took the best offer we could get for Ceballos, it's not that we actually wanted Robert Horry in particular, he was just having problems with his staff at the time and was the best trade we could get...
tue but we also got rid of cedric ceballos to make more $ room for shaq's contract as well. plus that and getting robert horry helped give the lakers more peremeter threats, also horry was having problems with the suns because of the coach, the lakers did want him because he had playoff ane clutch experience (which paid off just a LITTLE BIT i might add) even jerry west said this in 97' when he was talking with stu lance on lakers live
Everything was built around Shaq cuz that's how he demanded it
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he didn't even have to demand it, shaq was and is a superstar that you BUILD around! :laugh: who were the lakers going to build around, nick van exel? eddie jones? travis knight? cedrice ceballos? Jerry west nabbed shaq with the intent on building around him, with the intent on making him the franchise player.
When it was time to build around Kobe (late 2001), the operation began, and Shaq got so damn mad that he threatned not to rebound and play defense if the offense didn't run through him and he wouldn't get more touches, so Phil Jackson asked Kobe to pull back...Very known story that you should know as well.
shaq was still in his prime why should he of defered?? he was still the most dominant presence in the league. the lakers faired better when the offense ran through him for 3 quarters and through kobe in the last.
so shaq should have kneeled down to kobe ? riiiight kobe's just BARELY learning how to pass and get his teammates involved, he's just barely beginning to become a leader. Shaq was in his prime, and kobe was trying to be the leader, Shaq's going to win that leadership battle especially in the triangle offense which was built to have a dominant big man in the middle. kobe is the best player all around, i'll admit that and has been for a while , but you can't deny he's more selfish than shaq, who was already making players around him better before kobe even heard of the concept . shaq wasn't trying to get rid of kobe until kobe started getting a big head. say what you want but shaq's leadership and experience is more valuable to a team than kobe's PPG. How many teams has shaq been the leader of? How many of them went to the finals? how many of them has he won a championship with? this goes back to resumes. a shaq team has only missed the playoffs ONE time (his rookie season)
Remind me the last time Shaq wasn't pampered with a team ready to win built around him and another superstar?
the orlando magic....the year before shaq came to the squad , worst team in the nba. come to the magic they finish at .500 a year later they make the playoffs , another year later they go to the finals, the next year they lose to probably the best team ever assembled in the ECF's. all that in 4 years. now lets see if kobe makes it to finals this year, with all due respects to penny, lamar odom is a better player than penny. lakers with shaq 4 finals appeance, lakers without 0
the miami heat, with caron butler, brian grant , eddie jones, dwane wade, AND lamar odom eek by with one of the last spots in the east and get into the second round of the playoffs in the east. shaq shows up , 3 of those KEY players are gone and they damn near make it to the finals and the next year they win it all and have one of the best records in the NBA, while the 3 players that got traded for shaq help the lakers NOT make the playoffs the first year and they lose in the first round. miami heat with out shaq 0 finals appearances, heat with shaq almost 2
(http://Please shut the fuck up, because you're not making sense. Kobe more selfish than Shaq? LMAOOOO. Kobe took a back seat for YEARS)
at no point was kobe on the same level of shaq when it came to leadership skills or making the teamates better. why would kobe be put above shaq back then? maybe last season but other than that no.
when he could have just as easily been a superstar on any other team in the league.
yes he could have been a superstar on any other team, same as iverson no championships, same as garnette, no championships, same as steve nash, no championships, same as dirk, no championships, same as lebron no championships, same as mc grady , no championships....shall i continue?
He was willing to learn, condition night in and night out for his team, whatever it took to make them better.
all of it was the team right, kobe had NO self interest,,lol
Shaq was the one who wanted Kobe traded, BEFORE THEY EVEN WON ANY TITLES TOGETHER!
it was still shaq's team....kobe didn't do anything at that point to challenge that status, he was a young disruption trying to take over a team that wasn't his, trying and not doing. shaq wanted a 2nd banna not someone who was going to fight shaq for his spot. kobe was expendable at the time shaq was not.
Why did Shaq look his absolute best alongside Kobe around 2000-2001?
Because Kobe was WILLING to defer to Shaq,
kobe had nothing to do with that, that was all phil jackson, kobe didn't completely defer to shaq either...
he was opening the outside and getting Shaq all those lovely dunks, pretty much like what Wade is doing now and Penny did before, only not nearly as good.
lol , kobe got more pretty shots than shaq because of shaq's presence
To say Kobe is more selfish than Shaq is a joke...Shaq takes time off in the middle of the season and tells the great Jerry Buss "I got injured on company time and I'll heal on company time"...Kobe gets injured, and he takes care of it in the off-seaosn, just so that he can be prepared to lead his team when it's time...LOLLLL@comparing the two's selfishness. :grumpy:
so when shaq hyperextended his knee against the t wolves in 97' he should have just played through it....lol big men's injuries are more big of a deal than SG's whatever man , it's not like kobe ever missed a long string of games before due to injuries right? lol
let's see michael jordan had scottie pippen and dennis rodman,another top 50 players of all time and the nba's greatest rebounders. it was always jordan and pippen and then in the mid 90's it became superman batman and rodman. and i know this was before your time but he also had john paxson who was one of the leagues best role players ,probably in history, jordan didn't do it by himself either. oh yeah and he didn't start winning either til he had phil jackson
let's see duncan had david robinson, no? the TWIN TOWERS, for two of those championships,lol his 3rd he didn't win by himself neither, he had like you said ginobli, parker, bowen , ect.
hakeem, wait a minute didn't he have clyde drexler with him? and also he had sam cassel , otis thorpe, vernon maxwell, kenny smith, mario ellie, and robert horry, he didn't exactly do it by himself neither
birds celtics? pete maravich, kevin mchale, nate archibald, robert parish, danny ainge, dennis johnson, bill walton he never did it by himself either, in fact the celtics were always refered by the bird mchale celtics.
Nothing is before my time with basketball, and what are you, like 2 years older than me anyways? LOL. Like I said, it was ALWAYS Bird's Celtics, Jordan's Bulls, Duncan's Spurs (Robinson deferred), Hakeem's Rockets, etc. With Shaq, you always had 2 superstars who were just as big as one another. Shaq & Penny, Shaq & Kobe, Shaq & Wade, it's just how it was written, man...I'm sorry if you don't get it, but I'm sure others do.
Question: You've had Shaq on your team before. How much easier is it with Shaq than without Shaq?
Eddie Jones: We love to have him. He creates so much for us offensively. Defensively, he gives us opportunities to be more aggressive defensively. Offensively, he creates havok, and gets you open shots. If we can keep him healthy for 82 games, that would be great.
Question: Fans in Miami are obviously excited about having Shaq on the team.
Eddie Jones: Shaquille O'Neal, probably the best player on the planet. When you acquire someone of that magnitude, people are going to come. He's larger than life. Anybody can walk in a building, but when he walks in you notice him.
Question: Have you noticed more community support for the team this season?
Eddie Jones: It's huge. We have definitely crossed that bridge of not having many sellings to acquiring Shaq and everybody in the city speaking about him. It all boils down to what Shaq does. He creates the atmosphere. He's larger than life. He's the biggest guy in this league, the best player in this league, and he's going to create that kind of atmosphere.
Question: Compare Shaq of today with Shaq when you played with him years ago.
Eddie Jones: I don't think he has the athletic ability he had back then. When you get older, you're going to lose something. But he still demands the double-team. When a guy continues to demand a double-team, you can't say anything negative.
Okay, and what's your point? That's an interview from before Shaq had Eddie traded for the second time. LOL. Eddie still isn't telling me anything new, he's speaking of a teammate the way you're supposed to, he didn't say anything about Shaq as a human being, he was talking about him as a player, and I never questioned Shaq's abilities as a player (until his recent decline). On the other hand, what I say is 100% true and it's proven. Shaq cares about his individual accomplishments a whole lot more than team accomplishments...That's why he tried destroying 2 franchises on his path to ensure he ends his career with a "GREAT RESUME". That's all he really cares about, and it's obvious...PeACe
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Are you retarded? SHAQ cheats on his wife...Jordan cheated on his wife. Magic cheated on his wife...99% of NBA players have cheated on their wives, it's just how the life on the road gets to them. Of course, you're a fucking brainwashed dude who eats the shit he gets fed in the media and actually believes Kobe is the anti-Christ and the terrible NBA player who, OMG!, CHEATS ON HIS WIFE!. LMAO@Jake.
shaq's wife looks like a monkey, jordan's wife looks like gorilla, and magic's wife looks like a chimpanzee, i'm not saying i condone their acts, which i don't , you should never cheat on your wife, but like i said i'd rather be a cop then cheat on my wife, ESPECIALLY if i had kobe's wife, if i'm retarded then kobe is brain dead, why would you try to FUCK that up.
Kobe is brain-dead cuz he cheated, but it's okay for Shaq? LMAO. Do you know what it's like for these athletes to have all sorts of different pussy thrown in their face and to have to stick with ONE for the rest of their life? That's HELL on a male. It's not even about looks dude, you're acting immature...LOL. It's called human nature, the temptation is so great that the majority of athletes do fall into it, right or wrong. Has nothing to do with being brain-dead, Kobe's wife knows she has a fucking gem and she will never let that go...PeACe
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Penny Hardaway > Dwyane Wade
fuck Shaq
I'm out
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so you know for a fact that shaq paid off women? please show us proof, until then , kobe is slandering him
Yes, I know for a FACT. It's been known throughout Lakerdom, you're just not up to date with your shit...Like I keep saying, read some Laker books and inform yourself, cuz you're obviously speaking despite your lack of knowledge.
penny had the best years of his career under shaq's leadership, fact , shaq makes players better. why was it then after shaq left the magic penny's numbers and play fell? and if shaq "ruined eddie jones, how come he had his best season in charlotte? again the lakers traded eddie jones to make your idol a starter. glen rice was put in place to knock down threes when shaq was being triple teamed down low, why do you think mitch richmond played for the lakers, why do you think the lakers aquired robert horry in the first place? everything was put in place to build around and complement shaq, cuz after all the lakers were SHAQ"S team.
Once again, you don't know the story. Penny actually put his best numbers up in early 1995 when Shaq was out with an injury. The Magic were playing EXCELLENT to open that season, with Shaq out on the sideline nursing one of his injuries...That's when Orlando's management decided they were gunna focus on Penny and Shaq equally, only Penny was getting more commercial succes and better endorsements...Shaq was flopping with Reebok, while Penny was cashing the fuck in with Nike. Penny and Lil Penny (you remember that puppet Nike had in their commercials) owned the spotlight for that period. Shaq even had a commercial of his own where he was shown smacking a puppet (supposed to be Lil Penny) off of a table...That's when things started to tumble downward in Orlando. Chidish Shaq, always coming up with those goofy antics that tear apart his surrroundings, yet benefit himself.
actually shaq had nothing to do with the drafting of penny hardaway, who wasn't even DRAFTED by the magic, Chris Webber was drafted to the magic, him and shaq were suppose to be that eras TWIN towers, then the magic's GM traded him for Penny. Shaq had nothing to do with that process, he was BARELY coming off a ROY season , he had no kind of pull in orlando yet.
LMAO@this guy, always speaking when he doesn't know shit. Penny and Shaq had worked out together way before the draft, at which point Penny dazzled Shaq with his amazing talent. Penny had worked out for the Magic earlier, but they didn't really like him, they were set on picking Webber...However, Shaq pleaded with upper management to work Penny out again cuz he really wanted him as a teammate... they did, and this time he dazzled the the Magic too...The draft deal was set way before the draft. it's funny how much you speak of shit when you don't know shit...Once again, READ SOME LAKER BOOKS.
in all fairness to penny, the orlando magic were still a very well built team with nick anderson dennis scott and horace grant, and the rest of the cast , the only difference was ronny sikely at center instead of shaq. seriously it's not like the whole team was disbanded . in essence you just admitted that penny wasn't THAT important and that it was SHAQ that made him and that team great.
They were built around TWO superstars. ONE superstar departed, they STILL made the playoffs the next season minus Shaq. Please make sense... ::)
actually young one. when shaq came to the lakers him nick van exel and eddie jones got a long VERY well. Eddie could have moved to small forward BUT it wasn't what upper management was going to do with him, they were going to leave him at SG and put KOBE at SF, Del harris actually ran it this way many of times but what the lakers were trying to do was get a strong outside presence that shaq could kick it out to. hence glen rice being brought into the picture, mitch richmond, robert horry, ect. that's why all of those players came in and out of the organization. eddie whether shaq 'requested it or not' was traded more so FOR kobe than for shaq, eddie and kobe were both natural SHOOTING guards, having them at SF in the west at this time would not work, you could not keep both and expect one to come off the bench, Kobe had became what JW wanted eddie to be and more, also $$ it would be cheaper to bring in an aging glen rice than eddie, trading him out to charlotte worked well for both teams, charlotte got a young talent and got rid of a declining vet, the lakers got what they wanted as well a bone-a-fied 3 point threat and more time for kobe. again whether shaq 'had eddie traded' wasn't a personal move....actually and this is factual when the lakers played the hornets shaq and eddie embraced and even had a laugh or two, now shaq didn't do this with penny and kobe, two players we KNOW he hated, so wtf. show me PROOF that they hated each other.
LOLLL. You're hilarious. Calling me young one, yet getting schooled left and right. You must feel like a big douche, making up a bunch of shit, while I've read so damn much on this subject, that what I'm saying means so much more. You already lost all credibility when you claimed Shaq had nothing to do with Penny coming to the Magic, but I'll keep the lesson going for you. The bottom line is that Eddie Jones wanted a lot more touches on the team, and Shaq saw it as a problem, considering Eddie Jones was a ball-dominant guard, who loved slashing into Shaq's lane. That's when he went to Jerry West with a plea to trade Jones for someone less demanding, maybe a spot-up shooter...West told Shaq that Eddie Jones was his pick and that he wanted to keep him, but Shaq wasn't having it, and they had the deal worked out for Rice...You're right about one thing, they picked Rice because of their need for a shooter, but they didn't actually wanna trade Eddie Jones for a shooter. Especially at that time, Eddie was considered a rising star, he never really even reached the superstar status people thought he would after that...Basically, arguing that Shaq had Eddie Jones traded is retarded. That's all there is to it.
tue but we also got rid of cedric ceballos to make more $ room for shaq's contract as well. plus that and getting robert horry helped give the lakers more peremeter threats, also horry was having problems with the suns because of the coach, the lakers did want him because he had playoff ane clutch experience (which paid off just a LITTLE BIT i might add) even jerry west said this in 97' when he was talking with stu lance on lakers live
Ceballos was dumped for Shaq's salary? LMFAOOO!!!! WOW, that was a good one. SHAQ AND CEBALLOS PLAYED TOGETHER, AFTER SHAQ ALREADY HAD A GUARANTEED CONTRACT WITH THE LAKERS. The shit you come up with is amazing, Ceballos was traded purely for attitude problems and team chemistry. Do you not remember when he missed some games to spend time with his family in Lake Havasu, Arizona? Lakers were concerned, because he never called in to notify, he just vanished. They thought something had happened to him, but turns out Ceballos was being a dickhead, and everything after that lead up to his trade.
he didn't even have to demand it, shaq was and is a superstar that you BUILD around! :laugh: who were the lakers going to build around, nick van exel? eddie jones? travis knight? cedrice ceballos? Jerry west nabbed shaq with the intent on building around him, with the intent on making him the franchise player.
Once again, we know Shaq had the Lakers built around him. What I'm saying is that when it came time to build around someone else, or build around Shaq AND someone else, that's when he wasn't having it...Get it yet?
shaq was still in his prime why should he of defered?? he was still the most dominant presence in the league. the lakers faired better when the offense ran through him for 3 quarters and through kobe in the last.
Actually, no, this is when Shaq started declining. His injuries were really bothering him, he was sitting out extensive amount of games for a toe injury, he was getting fat and out of shape. Kobe was a hard worker, getting better and better, basically the opposite of Shaq. It was Kobe's time, PHIL JACKSON CALLED FOR IT, Shaq just wasn't having it. Since when is it okay for a player to question his coach? ESPECIALLY Phil Jackson...I guess cuz it's Shaq, the big primodonna, it was okay... :-\
orlando magic....the year before shaq came to the squad , worst team in the nba. come to the magic they finish at .500 a year later they make the playoffs , another year later they go to the finals, the next year they lose to probably the best team ever assembled in the ECF's. all that in 4 years. now lets see if kobe makes it to finals this year, with all due respects to penny, lamar odom is a better player than penny. lakers with shaq 4 finals appeance, lakers without 0
the miami heat, with caron butler, brian grant , eddie jones, dwane wade, AND lamar odom eek by with one of the last spots in the east and get into the second round of the playoffs in the east. shaq shows up , 3 of those KEY players are gone and they damn near make it to the finals and the next year they win it all and have one of the best records in the NBA, while the 3 players that got traded for shaq help the lakers NOT make the playoffs the first year and they lose in the first round. miami heat with out shaq 0 finals appearances, heat with shaq almost 2
Dude, it's evident that you're a fucking Shaq fan, NOT A LAKER FAN. I'm sorry man, I've just never seen someone's dick shoved up so far someones throat, especially when it's a fucking DESTRUCTOR of your very own team. Very sad. You're quite hilarious. LMFAO@Lamar Odom being better than Penny Hardaway in his prime...HOMIE, how do you even compare the 2? Penny was one of the first players billed as the next Jordan, averaging at least 20 ppg in every one of his seasons alongside Shaq (minus his rookie season)...He was unquestionably a SUPERSTAR, a player on top of the league...Odom is NOT EVEN AN ALL-STAR YET...Jake, I feel bad for you, man, you love Shaq so much, and he dissed your city, your team, your organization, your player, EVERYTHING LAKERS STAND FOR, SHAQ IS ANTI. LMAO@Lakers having 0 Finals appearances without Shaq. Oh, and LMAO@the 1996 Bulls being the best team ever assembled. :grumpy: Laker fan?
yes he could have been a superstar on any other team, same as iverson no championships, same as garnette, no championships, same as steve nash, no championships, same as dirk, no championships, same as lebron no championships, same as mc grady , no championships....shall i continue?
No...Because Kobe >>> Iverson, Garnett, Nash, Dirk, & T-Mac. :-*
all of it was the team right, kobe had NO self interest,,lol
Everyone has self-interest, but Shaq's self-interest exceeds the average human being's. Kobe is a humble dude, always finding ways to make the LAKERS resume better, as well as his own. Shaq focuses purely on the latter...
it was still shaq's team....kobe didn't do anything at that point to challenge that status, he was a young disruption trying to take over a team that wasn't his, trying and not doing. shaq wanted a 2nd banna not someone who was going to fight shaq for his spot. kobe was expendable at the time shaq was not.
Making more stuff up...Kobe ALWAYS took a back-seat to Shaq, no matter what, he never questioned what his coaches asked of him...You're saying that it was right for Shaq to ask that Kobe gets traded before he even gets anywhere close to his potential? Imagine how the Lakers would look now if your lover Shaq came through with that demand...LMAO@you attempting to justify every gay little thing Shaq has done.
kobe had nothing to do with that, that was all phil jackson, kobe didn't completely defer to shaq either...
Kobe had nothing to do with HIMSELF deferring to Shaq? LMFAO. Okay, that's just too much. :-X
lol , kobe got more pretty shots than shaq because of shaq's presence
They both did a lot for eachother, however, Kobe has proved that he can play on the same level WITHOUT a superstar on his side, Shaq has never proved that he can play on the same level without a superstar guard feeding him for all those lovely wide-open dunks...Or has he? I'm sure you can make something up...
so when shaq hyperextended his knee against the t wolves in 97' he should have just played through it....lol big men's injuries are more big of a deal than SG's whatever man , it's not like kobe ever missed a long string of games before due to injuries right? lol
Your comparisons are sickening...Kobe conditions in the summer and takes care of whatever he has to to be ready for the season. Shaq eats Big Macs and takes vacations during the season whenever he pleases. 2 completely different types of players.
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Once again, you don't know the story. Penny actually put his best numbers up in early 1995 when Shaq was out with an injury. The Magic were playing EXCELLENT to open that season, with Shaq out on the sideline nursing one of his injuries...That's when Orlando's management decided they were gunna focus on Penny and Shaq equally, only Penny was getting more commercial succes and better endorsements...Shaq was flopping with Reebok, while Penny was cashing the fuck in with Nike. Penny and Lil Penny (you remember that puppet Nike had in their commercials) owned the spotlight for that period. Shaq even had a commercial of his own where he was shown smacking a puppet (supposed to be Lil Penny) off of a table...That's when things started to tumble downward in Orlando. Chidish Shaq, always coming up with those goofy antics that tear apart his surrroundings, yet benefit himself.
oh shiet i used to love lil penny!
here's the commercial you were talkin about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8niw3JeB0o
thats fucked up if that commercial came out while they were on the same team.
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Are you retarded? SHAQ cheats on his wife...Jordan cheated on his wife. Magic cheated on his wife...99% of NBA players have cheated on their wives, it's just how the life on the road gets to them. Of course, you're a fucking brainwashed dude who eats the shit he gets fed in the media and actually believes Kobe is the anti-Christ and the terrible NBA player who, OMG!, CHEATS ON HIS WIFE!. LMAO@Jake.
shaq's wife looks like a monkey, jordan's wife looks like gorilla, and magic's wife looks like a chimpanzee, i'm not saying i condone their acts, which i don't , you should never cheat on your wife, but like i said i'd rather be a cop then cheat on my wife, ESPECIALLY if i had kobe's wife, if i'm retarded then kobe is brain dead, why would you try to FUCK that up.
Kobe is brain-dead cuz he cheated, but it's okay for Shaq? LMAO. Do you know what it's like for these athletes to have all sorts of different pussy thrown in their face and to have to stick with ONE for the rest of their life? That's HELL on a male. It's not even about looks dude, you're acting immature...LOL. It's called human nature, the temptation is so great that the majority of athletes do fall into it, right or wrong. Has nothing to do with being brain-dead, Kobe's wife knows she has a fucking gem and she will never let that go...PeACe
dude i just said i don't condone that shit, it's never okay. if you can't handle trying to be faithful , then you shouldn't get married in the first place, just stay a bachelor and fuck 2,000 girls like chamberlin. and damn man you talk about me having "shaq's dick up my ass " when i havn't even dissed you but then you go and say something like this : Kobe's wife knows she has a fucking gem and she will never let that go
i'm sorry but that's too :camp: Kobe is a retard for cheating on his wife, especially with some ugly ass white girl, when he's got this at home (http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/03/55/25/image_225553.jpg) i don't care if i had jenna jameson wanting to suck my dick....i'd fly vanessa out to colorado
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thats fucked up if that commercial came out while they were on the same team.
It did... :-X
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Are you retarded? SHAQ cheats on his wife...Jordan cheated on his wife. Magic cheated on his wife...99% of NBA players have cheated on their wives, it's just how the life on the road gets to them. Of course, you're a fucking brainwashed dude who eats the shit he gets fed in the media and actually believes Kobe is the anti-Christ and the terrible NBA player who, OMG!, CHEATS ON HIS WIFE!. LMAO@Jake.
shaq's wife looks like a monkey, jordan's wife looks like gorilla, and magic's wife looks like a chimpanzee, i'm not saying i condone their acts, which i don't , you should never cheat on your wife, but like i said i'd rather be a cop then cheat on my wife, ESPECIALLY if i had kobe's wife, if i'm retarded then kobe is brain dead, why would you try to FUCK that up.
Kobe is brain-dead cuz he cheated, but it's okay for Shaq? LMAO. Do you know what it's like for these athletes to have all sorts of different pussy thrown in their face and to have to stick with ONE for the rest of their life? That's HELL on a male. It's not even about looks dude, you're acting immature...LOL. It's called human nature, the temptation is so great that the majority of athletes do fall into it, right or wrong. Has nothing to do with being brain-dead, Kobe's wife knows she has a fucking gem and she will never let that go...PeACe
dude i just said i don't condone that shit, it's never okay. if you can't handle trying to be faithful , then you shouldn't get married in the first place, just stay a bachelor and fuck 2,000 girls like chamberlin. and damn man you talk about me having "shaq's dick up my ass " when i havn't even dissed you but then you go and say something like this : Kobe's wife knows she has a fucking gem and she will never let that go
i'm sorry but that's too :camp: Kobe is a retard for cheating on his wife, especially with some ugly ass white girl, when he's got this at home (http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/03/55/25/image_225553.jpg) i don't care if i had jenna jameson wanting to suck my dick....i'd fly vanessa out to colorado
When did I diss you? I'm dissing your knowledge on this subject and thought process regarding Shaq, I have no problems with you as a person. To Vannesa, Kobe MUST be a gem. this guy is on top of the world, she's a nobody, some good lookin' Hispanic chick off the streets. Kobe can replace her with the snap of a finger, do you think she can do the same? You're right, Kobe made a mistake, but it was a very common mistake in the league, a mistake almost every top star has fallen for, and for you to use that as a diss towards Kobe just shows how partial you are towards Shaq, despite the fact that Kobe is your home-town hero and Shaq is the widely-proclaimed LAKER VILLAIN. ::)
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this is getting good, arguing Lakers in the 90's, I miss that era, even though we always lost to the fuckin' Jazz.
Here's some points I want to bring up.
Cedric was traded after Shaq came in, the Horry trade came because both players fucked up their team's chemistry, and both players needed a change. Cedric did well for AZ, because he lives there and it seems he wanted to be there more. He never reached his potential, though I do miss calling him the 'Cise. Horry, well, he helped the Lakers just a little bit.
Glen Rice should have NEVER, EVER been brought in by the Lakers. I know for a fact that Kobe wanted Eddie Jones to be there. Prior to the Eddie Jones trade, Eddie was Kobe's only true friend, as the team was on Shaq's side. Eddie wanted Eddie out for many reasons, his style of play missed with his inside presents, Eddie was Kobe's friend, therefore weaking Kobe's lockerroom influence, and Shaq wanted a shooter. Glen Rice never panned out, and it seemed like Rick Fox was getting more minutes at the 3 during Rice's time there. Now Eddie was a rising star back then, mainly because Shaq was in the middle, so that allowed Eddie lanes in the middle which Kobe took advantage of. If Eddie stayed, the Lakers would have even been more dominate in their 3 peat, and I feel like Eddie Jones instead of Devone George in 2003-2004 would have been better at the 4 to go with Malone, Payton, Shaq and Kobe. But who's saying with Jones they could have still won. It's all relative though, they still won without him, but it's fucked up the way he left.
Shaq is known for paying his girlfriends, or showering them with gifts. He let his baby's momma's live in his mansions, and has bought women cars. When Shaq talked shit on LA, tons of women called with the same story... lol. A couple insulted the Little Big Daddy's size as well, but who's to believe who. It's known though in So.Cal. that Shaq pays off his women. But then again, in the butt crack of Baka'z Field, news travels slower there.
Shaq should have stayed on the Lakers. The Lakers were looking to build around Kobe, and it was time for Shaq to step back and let Kobe handle the team. Kareem did it with Magic, Bird wanted to do it in Boston, and so on. He did win in Miami, that's fine, I am a huge Shaq fan, but last year the Lakers would have won, and Phil would have never left, if Shaq just took a back set and allowed Kobe to be the man. He showed he can do it with Wade on the team, but Shaq's hatred for Kobe runs deep. Right now, he'd have ring number 5 if he'd just let Kobe take over, and the transition from Shaq to Kobe would have been smoother. Odom would still be in Miami with Bulter and Wade, they would have been fine, and the Heat and Laker's would both still be contenders. It's a matter of Shaq not giving back to his team, and not supporting the younger player that once supported him.
Also, Kobe's wife, I'd never cheat on her. She's a dime and a half. But lets look back at Miss Vanessa Lane. Before you add the Bryant at the end... lol
(http://www.geocities.com/asylum38/frames/fiancee.jpg)
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this is getting good, arguing Lakers in the 90's, I miss that era, even though we always lost to the fuckin' Jazz.
Here's some points I want to bring up.
Cedric was traded after Shaq came in, the Horry trade came because both players fucked up their team's chemistry, and both players needed a change. Cedric did well for AZ, because he lives there and it seems he wanted to be there more. He never reached his potential, though I do miss calling him the 'Cise. Horry, well, he helped the Lakers just a little bit.
Glen Rice should have NEVER, EVER been brought in by the Lakers. I know for a fact that Kobe wanted Eddie Jones to be there. Prior to the Eddie Jones trade, Eddie was Kobe's only true friend, as the team was on Shaq's side. Eddie wanted Eddie out for many reasons, his style of play missed with his inside presents, Eddie was Kobe's friend, therefore weaking Kobe's lockerroom influence, and Shaq wanted a shooter. Glen Rice never panned out, and it seemed like Rick Fox was getting more minutes at the 3 during Rice's time there. Now Eddie was a rising star back then, mainly because Shaq was in the middle, so that allowed Eddie lanes in the middle which Kobe took advantage of. If Eddie stayed, the Lakers would have even been more dominate in their 3 peat, and I feel like Eddie Jones instead of Devone George in 2003-2004 would have been better at the 4 to go with Malone, Payton, Shaq and Kobe. But who's saying with Jones they could have still won. It's all relative though, they still won without him, but it's fucked up the way he left.
Shaq is known for paying his girlfriends, or showering them with gifts. He let his baby's momma's live in his mansions, and has bought women cars. When Shaq talked shit on LA, tons of women called with the same story... lol. A couple insulted the Little Big Daddy's size as well, but who's to believe who. It's known though in So.Cal. that Shaq pays off his women. But then again, in the butt crack of Baka'z Field, news travels slower there.
Shaq should have stayed on the Lakers. The Lakers were looking to build around Kobe, and it was time for Shaq to step back and let Kobe handle the team. Kareem did it with Magic, Bird wanted to do it in Boston, and so on. He did win in Miami, that's fine, I am a huge Shaq fan, but last year the Lakers would have won, and Phil would have never left, if Shaq just took a back set and allowed Kobe to be the man. He showed he can do it with Wade on the team, but Shaq's hatred for Kobe runs deep. Right now, he'd have ring number 5 if he'd just let Kobe take over, and the transition from Shaq to Kobe would have been smoother. Odom would still be in Miami with Bulter and Wade, they would have been fine, and the Heat and Laker's would both still be contenders. It's a matter of Shaq not giving back to his team, and not supporting the younger player that once supported him.
Also, Kobe's wife, I'd never cheat on her. She's a dime and a half. But lets look back at Miss Vanessa Lane. Before you add the Bryant at the end... lol
(http://www.geocities.com/asylum38/frames/fiancee.jpg)
You obviously know a lot more on the subject than Jake, and basically just confirmed a good portion of what I just said...Thank you.
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Are you retarded? SHAQ cheats on his wife...Jordan cheated on his wife. Magic cheated on his wife...99% of NBA players have cheated on their wives, it's just how the life on the road gets to them. Of course, you're a fucking brainwashed dude who eats the shit he gets fed in the media and actually believes Kobe is the anti-Christ and the terrible NBA player who, OMG!, CHEATS ON HIS WIFE!. LMAO@Jake.
shaq's wife looks like a monkey, jordan's wife looks like gorilla, and magic's wife looks like a chimpanzee, i'm not saying i condone their acts, which i don't , you should never cheat on your wife, but like i said i'd rather be a cop then cheat on my wife, ESPECIALLY if i had kobe's wife, if i'm retarded then kobe is brain dead, why would you try to FUCK that up.
Kobe is brain-dead cuz he cheated, but it's okay for Shaq? LMAO. Do you know what it's like for these athletes to have all sorts of different pussy thrown in their face and to have to stick with ONE for the rest of their life? That's HELL on a male. It's not even about looks dude, you're acting immature...LOL. It's called human nature, the temptation is so great that the majority of athletes do fall into it, right or wrong. Has nothing to do with being brain-dead, Kobe's wife knows she has a fucking gem and she will never let that go...PeACe
dude i just said i don't condone that shit, it's never okay. if you can't handle trying to be faithful , then you shouldn't get married in the first place, just stay a bachelor and fuck 2,000 girls like chamberlin. and damn man you talk about me having "shaq's dick up my ass " when i havn't even dissed you but then you go and say something like this : Kobe's wife knows she has a fucking gem and she will never let that go
i'm sorry but that's too :camp: Kobe is a retard for cheating on his wife, especially with some ugly ass white girl, when he's got this at home (http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/03/55/25/image_225553.jpg) i don't care if i had jenna jameson wanting to suck my dick....i'd fly vanessa out to colorado
When did I diss you? I'm dissing your knowledge on this subject and thought process regarding Shaq, I have no problems with you as a person. To Vannesa, Kobe MUST be a gem. this guy is on top of the world, she's a nobody, some good lookin' Hispanic chick off the streets. Kobe can replace her with the snap of a finger, do you think she can do the same? You're right, Kobe made a mistake, but it was a very common mistake in the league, a mistake almost every top star has fallen for, and for you to use that as a diss towards Kobe just shows how partial you are towards Shaq, despite the fact that Kobe is your home-town hero and Shaq is the widely-proclaimed LAKER VILLAIN. ::)
in your eyes he's a 'laker villain" but you go out on the street people still wear shaq jerseys, fact i can spot more shaq jerseys in southern california than lamar odom ones and probably just as many kobe ones, if i'm shaq nuts you're definatey on kobe's
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I wouldn't lie, I got a Shaq jersey, not a Odom one, and my Shaq one is the $100 athentic one, not the $40 one like I got for Kobe. I will get a $100 Kobe, but not for a while. I jumped at a Shaq though. I'm more of a Shaq fan than Kobe, but in the end, Lakers are my main alliance. I support the Lakers before I support Shaq. I was a Shaq fan when he was in Orlando, I use to watch every game I could, but when they played the Lakers, I'm rooting for Campell to stop Shaq. (It's amazing, Elden is the only player I've ever seen to be able to guard Shaq one on one in Shaq's prime and hold him under 30 points.) I was for Shaq staying on the Lakers, but in the end, it's either you're a Laker's fan, or your a Shaq fan. As a Shaq fan, you can't root for the Lakers. Your team is now the Heat.
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Shaq is known for paying his girlfriends, or showering them with gifts. He let his baby's momma's live in his mansions, and has bought women cars. When Shaq talked shit on LA, tons of women called with the same story... lol. A couple insulted the Little Big Daddy's size as well, but who's to believe who. It's known though in So.Cal. that Shaq pays off his women. But then again, in the butt crack of Baka'z Field, news travels slower there.
lmao its funny you mention that. my aunt actually knows a girl who claims she had something goin on with shaq. she mentioned the same thing about shaq not being so big (you know what i mean). she even said shaq would call the radio stations and dedicate songs to her but tell them its from "you know who". so yeah i'd say its a FACT he cheats on his wife. but as much as I love kb, thats till no excuse to tell on dude like that.
ps: i liked glenn rice on the lakers. he was our only sharp shooter in the triangle.
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^then why are you avoiding the question?
Read my fuckin profile you piece of shit since its that important to you how old I am LOL
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Kobe's snitch LOL shut the fuck up Shaq's a cop A fuckin pig so whut that look like
Kobe >>> Shaq and D Wade overrated ass
i'd rather be a cop than a dude who cheats on his wife
Are you retarded? SHAQ cheats on his wife...Jordan cheated on his wife. Magic cheated on his wife...99% of NBA players have cheated on their wives, it's just how the life on the road gets to them. Of course, you're a fucking brainwashed dude who eats the shit he gets fed in the media and actually believes Kobe is the anti-Christ and the terrible NBA player who, OMG!, CHEATS ON HIS WIFE!. LMAO@Jake.
shaq's wife looks like a monkey, jordan's wife looks like gorilla, and magic's wife looks like a chimpanzee, i'm not saying i condone their acts, which i don't , you should never cheat on your wife, but like i said i'd rather be a cop then cheat on my wife, ESPECIALLY if i had kobe's wife, if i'm retarded then kobe is brain dead, why would you try to FUCK that up.
Kobe is brain-dead cuz he cheated, but it's okay for Shaq? LMAO. Do you know what it's like for these athletes to have all sorts of different pussy thrown in their face and to have to stick with ONE for the rest of their life? That's HELL on a male. It's not even about looks dude, you're acting immature...LOL. It's called human nature, the temptation is so great that the majority of athletes do fall into it, right or wrong. Has nothing to do with being brain-dead, Kobe's wife knows she has a fucking gem and she will never let that go...PeACe
dude i just said i don't condone that shit, it's never okay. if you can't handle trying to be faithful , then you shouldn't get married in the first place, just stay a bachelor and fuck 2,000 girls like chamberlin. and damn man you talk about me having "shaq's dick up my ass " when i havn't even dissed you but then you go and say something like this : Kobe's wife knows she has a fucking gem and she will never let that go
i'm sorry but that's too :camp: Kobe is a retard for cheating on his wife, especially with some ugly ass white girl, when he's got this at home (http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/03/55/25/image_225553.jpg) i don't care if i had jenna jameson wanting to suck my dick....i'd fly vanessa out to colorado
When did I diss you? I'm dissing your knowledge on this subject and thought process regarding Shaq, I have no problems with you as a person. To Vannesa, Kobe MUST be a gem. this guy is on top of the world, she's a nobody, some good lookin' Hispanic chick off the streets. Kobe can replace her with the snap of a finger, do you think she can do the same? You're right, Kobe made a mistake, but it was a very common mistake in the league, a mistake almost every top star has fallen for, and for you to use that as a diss towards Kobe just shows how partial you are towards Shaq, despite the fact that Kobe is your home-town hero and Shaq is the widely-proclaimed LAKER VILLAIN. ::)
in your eyes he's a 'laker villain" but you go out on the street people still wear shaq jerseys, fact i can spot more shaq jerseys in southern california than lamar odom ones and probably just as many kobe ones, if i'm shaq nuts you're definatey on kobe's
Yea, and there's also a lot more fake Laker fans than true ones (Kobe still outsold Shaq in jersey numbers by MILES)...What's your point though? In every HARDCORE Laker fan that I've known's opinion, Shaq took a big shit on the Laker franchise and blew his chance to be the biggest chapter in the Laker legacy. You just obviously don't know the half, just by reading what you've said, you're just a dude who grew up lovin' Shaq and can't accept that the man ain't that great of a person and he selfishly tore down not only your organization, but Orlando's as well. It's alright, Jake, keep lovin' Shaq...I see where you're comin' from, he could rape your mom and you'd still love him the same. :-X
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I wouldn't lie, I got a Shaq jersey, not a Odom one, and my Shaq one is the $100 athentic one, not the $40 one like I got for Kobe.
Haven't sported my Shaq jersey in years, but I've got 2 Odom jerseys, one Reebok white and one Nike purple... 8)
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got the Kobe white, that's my Laker jersey I wear, and I got the Shaq yellow, from 1997, so the old school without the side stuff. I am getting a white Kobe 24 around Christmas, I should make my girlfriend buy it for me.
But the bottomline is this. George, Kobe, Fisher, Cook, Slava, Rush, these were all young players for the Lakers that were trying to help Shaq win his 4th title. The thing is, once your time starts winding down, you take a back set, and let the young guys take over, but you stay and help with rebuilding. Shaq was to do with Kareem did, let Kobe take over, and help the franchise that helped him win titles. They traded Eddie Jones for Shaq, they did whatever he wanted. He wanted GP and Malone on his team, they did it, Shaq was basically the GM, especially after West left. It was his time to give back to the team that gave him 3 titles. There was no loyality, and it hurt the Lakers more than Shaq, and they knew it would, but it have to be done.
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^^Yup, you hit it on the nail.
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It's a shame tho. If the Lakers had the new-and-improved Shaq that we see on Miami, we would be in the midst of another three-peat. Like I've always said, Shaq became a PERFECT team mate after he turned his back on the Lakers. Too bad he's doin it all just to make Kobe look bad. I guess that's the Shaq "maturity' we hear so much about.
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It's a shame tho. If the Lakers had the new-and-improved Shaq that we see on Miami, we would be in the midst of another three-peat. Like I've always said, Shaq became a PERFECT team mate after he turned his back on the Lakers. Too bad he's doin it all just to make Kobe look bad. I guess that's the Shaq "maturity' we hear so much about.
Shaq coulda been undisputedly the best big man to ever step foot on a basketball court, that's the biggest shame of all. If he was as down with conditioning and working on his game as much as he was down with Big Mac's, and if he was slightly more intelligent, we'd be in the midst of a 7peat! Basically, if Shaq wasn't such a big immature asshole, Lakers could have been by far the undisputed greatest franchise in all of sports history (not that they already aren't 8))... but yea, very sad to see "Laker fans" supporting this overgrown child. :-X