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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on April 16, 2006, 05:56:22 AM
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Suratal Nasr-
"When comes the help of Allah
and you will see the people
enter Allah's religion in crowds
Celebrate the praises of the Lord
and pray for his forgiveness
For he is oft-returning in grace
and in mercy".
Just as hip-hop was started by the Pan African/Pan Islamic movements like the Zulu Nation, I believe that the fans of hip-hop (like myself) will soon represent a large block of American society embracing Islam. We grew up listening to so many rappers expressing Pan-Islam or atleast sympathetic to Islam and Muslims, that we have grown up with favourable views towards Islam. Even 2pac had a video in 1996 "I Ain't Mad At Ya" in which he gives encouragement to an old friend who converted to Islam.
We already know how many rappers are Muslim, but you will be suprised to find in the coming years how many fans of hip-hop will enter into Islam.
Look at the kids in school today, they are still trying to skateboard and listening to local rock artists who are no longer mainstream and will soon become irrelevant. And when it comes to young kids who are into hip-hop, there will always be ignorant hip-hop heads, but not everyone is going to settle for music that has no substance; and a life that has no meaning. Those who are conscious and are seeking to attain a higher level of conscious will soon embrace Islam as a means of learn knowledge and discipline.
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i doubt it
isn't music banned in islam anyway?
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i doubt it
isn't music banned in islam anyway?
No. The Qu'ran says nothing against music. There is report with a weak chain of narration, of the Prophet Muhammad saying something against music, therefore some Muslims do not listen to it. However, as Muslims we are only obligated to regard as forbidden what Allah has made forbidden for us in the Noble Qu'ran.
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However, as Muslims we are only obligated to regard as forbidden what Allah has made forbidden for us in the Noble Qu'ran.
Seriously, don't you think it's kind of pathetic that you base your life around what some dead guy says in a book? I just don't get it.
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Hip Hop is also embraces drug dealers, pimps, murderers, and gang members. Much more so than it does Islam. Does that mean that more kids will become criminals.
And the basic Rock and Roll band isn't going anywhere. It's hit bit of a snag but a new sound will emerge in the main stream and get the kids riled up and take over. It's not like no bands sell. In recent years bands like U2, Creed, Nickelback, Greenday, Fallout Boy, and even Good Charlotte have all gone multiplatinum. I may hate all that Emo crap but those bands do alright too. Not to mention i taskes more talent to write and perfrom a mediocre Rock band hit than it does a very good rap song.
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Seriously, don't you think it's kind of pathetic that you base your life around what some dead guy says in a book? I just don't get it.
The book was inspired by the Creator of the Worlds.
Why don't you write down all your knowledge on life and death, and put it side by side with the Qu'ran. Then see which one you would rather follow.
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Hip Hop is also embraces drug dealers, pimps, murderers, and gang members. Much more so than it does Islam. Does that mean that more kids will become criminals.
There it is... I think those who will follow Islam won't do it because they fav rappers are Muslim but because they found theyselves in the religion. I'm a fan of Hip Hop, a mad one, but I know the difference between being a fan of it and "idolise" (don't know exactly the word) it. I found myself into many many aspects of Islam, I found myself into many aspects of hinduism too, and I just follow my thoughts...I don't have to follow another religion just because most of the culture that I love (Hip Hop) does it. If my father is an alcoholic I should be one too?(it's not a good example tho)but don't know how to exactly express myself... But in fact you are right...many of the ones who will embrace Islam are hip hop fans, but ask yourself how many will do it because they love Islam and how many will do it cause they love rappers?
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I may hate all that Emo crap but those bands do alright too. Not to mention i taskes more talent to write and perfrom a mediocre Rock band hit than it does a very good rap song.
i disagree with you, there are hip hop producers that are very talented musically and lyricists that are very skilled poetically. as far as i can tell rock bands don't even make a decent effort in terms of their lyrics and half of them can't sing either. so the vocal talent is lacking.
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Just as hip-hop was started by the Pan African/Pan Islamic movements like the Zulu Nation, I believe that the fans of hip-hop (like myself) will soon represent a large block of American society embracing Islam.
islam in hip hop reached it's peak in the mid 90's when it seemed like half the west coast was noi and half the east coast was 5%'ers.
now you only hear islamic themes and references in some underground artists, talib kweli or hasan salaam.
islam is on the decline in hip hop, definitely in mainstream hip hop.
there is also this constant theme in news from afghanistan that the black soldiers are both being ill recieved and behaving exceptionally poorly as well. i don't know if this is propoganda to get blacks behind the war, but there seems to be a stronger schism between the blacks in the mideast and others.
i'm skeptical of your theory.
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I doubt Hip-Hop will embrace Islam as much as it did in the late 80's, early 90's when Paris, Public Enemy and Ice Cube were platinum selling artist. Right now Hip-Hop is in selfish phase, and I don't see that ending soon. 2004 was it's only hope to grow out of this stage when every artist was a politican, but once Bush won again, it was back to business as usual.
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Yeah, I agree with what the people above me have said. The Afrocentric phase in hip-hop pretty much died out 10 years ago, which in my opinion probably had a lot to do with the increasing awareness that dissing the "white devil" was counter-productive when white kids were the biggest consumers of hip-hop records. Even though I'm as tired of all the thug-talk in hip-hop as anyone else, I can't say I miss the Afrocentric days THAT much, either.
Although I do think it's kinda true that hip-hop could, in theory, get kids interested in Islam. When I was a shorty, I got interested in the Qur'an and Malcolm X after listening to Public Enemy and Brand Nubian, and I thought about becoming a Muslim, but it ain't happened yet (and almost certainly won't). Of course, that's probably cause I became interested in gangbanging after I started listening to Snoop Dogg and Eazy-E, and that's when I started throwing up Southside Village and going out blued up and shit.
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I may hate all that Emo crap but those bands do alright too. Not to mention i taskes more talent to write and perfrom a mediocre Rock band hit than it does a very good rap song.
i disagree with you, there are hip hop producers that are very talented musically and lyricists that are very skilled poetically. as far as i can tell rock bands don't even make a decent effort in terms of their lyrics and half of them can't sing either. so the vocal talent is lacking.
I meant the good bands talent wise. Not Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, etc. Bands like Pearl Jam, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, or Springsteen. A guy like Springsteen is more musically talented across the board than anyone in maybe the history of rap, and as good as any of the best lyricists.
However my main point was that it takes more talent to write and record an average rock song than it does to write and record an average hip hop song. You give me a computer, a stack of records to sample from, and a microphone and I my self will produce a rap song that isn't much worse than most of the rap in the mainstream today (Infinte was talking about the Mainstream). You give me a piano, a guitar, a bass, drums, and I'll have a very difficult time coming up with anything. In gerenral it's harder to play instruments than play with a computer program (which it what most hip hop is today). Top level DJing and scratching maybe an art and a true talent but it has a very small place in today's mainstream hip hop scene (unfortunately).
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However my main point was that it takes more talent to write and record an average rock song than it does to write and record an average hip hop song.
i taskes more talent to write and perfrom a mediocre Rock band hit than it does a very good rap song.
So which one is it?
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However my main point was that it takes more talent to write and record an average rock song than it does to write and record an average hip hop song. You give me a computer, a stack of records to sample from, and a microphone and I my self will produce a rap song that isn't much worse than most of the rap in the mainstream today (Infinte was talking about the Mainstream). You give me a piano, a guitar, a bass, drums, and I'll have a very difficult time coming up with anything. In gerenral it's harder to play instruments than play with a computer program (which it what most hip hop is today). Top level DJing and scratching maybe an art and a true talent but it has a very small place in today's mainstream hip hop scene (unfortunately).
No, you definitely could not. Even making "average" hip-hop beats is still like conducting a minor orchestra: It's all about arrangement. It's also important to keep in mind that sampling is (essentially) dead these days, and that most of the "samples" you hear on modern hip-hop records are actually played by other musicians (like on Dre's present-day records, where he has Scott Storch on the keyboards and Mike Elizondo doing guitar and bass). Hip-hop beats may be based upon a repetitive chord structure and looping, but coming up with something so catchy in the first place is still difficult. The average hip-hop beat is far more complex and has far more layers of depth than the average rock beat, IMO. Just look at all the beats available on Soundclick or in our own Lab section...do you really hear any that are even CLOSE to as good as what most hip-hop producers come up with? And those are made by cats who have computers, mics, and stacks of records to sample from.
Besides, it's interesting that you group all "rock" in the same category and say that just because it takes guitar, bass, and drums that means it takes more talent. Part of the appeal of punk in the 1970s' was that any frustrated British youth could basically get on stage and belt out some "glorious noise" even if they were inexperienced, and indeed, a lot of people wrote off punk as a genre for that reason. More recently, we've seen the same thing with Nirvana and the onset of "grunge" in the early-90s'.
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However, as Muslims we are only obligated to regard as forbidden what Allah has made forbidden for us in the Noble Qu'ran.
Seriously, don't you think it's kind of pathetic that you base your life around what some dead guy says in a book? I just don't get it.
Lot of things u dont get. Dont hurt yourself, buddy. Dont think too hard. Sit down, catch your breathe, have a drink of water.
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Seriously, don't you think it's kind of pathetic that you base your life around what some dead guy says in a book? I just don't get it.
The book was inspired by the Creator of the Worlds.
Why don't you write down all your knowledge on life and death, and put it side by side with the Qu'ran. Then see which one you would rather follow.
Hmmm, let's see, the options are: live my life the way I want to live it vs. blindly following the rules of some book.
I don't need a book to guide me through life, if you do that's fine. I'm just saying, I find it odd that some people are so into religion that they won't do something as harmless as listen to music.
However, as Muslims we are only obligated to regard as forbidden what Allah has made forbidden for us in the Noble Qu'ran.
Seriously, don't you think it's kind of pathetic that you base your life around what some dead guy says in a book? I just don't get it.
Lot of things u dont get. Dont hurt yourself, buddy. Dont think too hard. Sit down, catch your breathe, have a drink of water.
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i doubt it
isn't music banned in islam anyway?
No. The Qu'ran says nothing against music. There is report with a weak chain of narration, of the Prophet Muhammad saying something against music, therefore some Muslims do not listen to it. However, as Muslims we are only obligated to regard as forbidden what Allah has made forbidden for us in the Noble Qu'ran.
Well, I'm glad you're not like them, but there are actually quite a few Orthodox Muslims who do claim that music is in fact har'am. That ain't my opinion, so don't try and debate this shit with me, but I am simply pointing out that your opinion is not necesarily shared by a large percentage of other Muslims.
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Hip Hop is also embraces drug dealers, pimps, murderers, and gang members. Much more so than it does Islam. Does that mean that more kids will become criminals.
There it is... I think those who will follow Islam won't do it because they fav rappers are Muslim but because they found theyselves in the religion. I'm a fan of Hip Hop, a mad one, but I know the difference between being a fan of it and "idolise" (don't know exactly the word) it. I found myself into many many aspects of Islam, I found myself into many aspects of hinduism too, and I just follow my thoughts...I don't have to follow another religion just because most of the culture that I love (Hip Hop) does it. If my father is an alcoholic I should be one too?(it's not a good example tho)but don't know how to exactly express myself... But in fact you are right...many of the ones who will embrace Islam are hip hop fans, but ask yourself how many will do it because they love Islam and how many will do it cause they love rappers?
this guy is right
if u follow someone elses life, how are u meant to become ur own person?
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Even 2pac had a video in 1996 "I Ain't Mad At Ya" in which he gives encouragement to an old friend who converted to Islam.
LOL at you talking about Pac. Why do you care what Pac says? He was an American Christian and therefore was living a life of lies, right? :psych:
Look at the kids in school today, they are still trying to skateboard and listening to local rock artists who are no longer mainstream and will soon become irrelevant.
So because they are not mainstream they are irrelevent. Does that mean all those underground muslim rappers are irrelevent too?
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cube was never muslim... he just quoted some malcom X on one of his album covers
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cube was never muslim... he just quoted some malcom X on one of his album covers
If you don't count the NOI as a Muslim organization (and most Orthodox Muslims don't), then I guess he wasn't.
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cube was never muslim... he just quoted some malcom X on one of his album covers
If you don't count the NOI as a Muslim organization (and most Orthodox Muslims don't), then I guess he wasn't.
cube was never noi, he just sort of tagged along. kam is noi. ren was (eihtball says he quit); cube just associated himself with the noi.
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cube was never muslim... he just quoted some malcom X on one of his album covers
If you don't count the NOI as a Muslim organization (and most Orthodox Muslims don't), then I guess he wasn't.
cube was never noi, he just sort of tagged along. kam is noi. ren was (eihtball says he quit); cube just associated himself with the noi.
I always thought he did actually join? If not, then that's really interesting, especially since Cube got Shorty of Da Lench Mob to join the NOI.
Also, you do realize that Eihtball = yours truly?
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I always thought he did actually join? If not, then that's really interesting, especially since Cube got Shorty of Da Lench Mob to join the NOI.
Also, you do realize that Eihtball = yours truly?
no i didn't realize that, and there should be laws against all of this nick changing :P i had actually been wondering what happened to you; lol.
ice cube stated that he wasn't a muslim on "when will they shoot?" and in a couple interviews, something about he respected the views but lacked the discipline.
here's a quote:
As he's raised the subject, I ask whether - having converted in the early 90s - he's still Muslim himself. "Yeah. Oh yeah." And still involved with the Nation of Islam, the militant faction he once called "the best place for any young black male"? This time he hesitates. "Ah, when you say involved with the Nation, it's tricky. I never was in the Nation of Islam... I mean, what I call myself is a natural Muslim, 'cause it's just me and God. You know, going to the mosque, the ritual and the tradition, it's just not in me to do. So I don't do it."
http://film.guardian.co.uk/Feature_Story/feature_story/0,,140252,00.html
so i guess he identifies as a muslim, but never was noi
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Yeah, I just decided to try something more creative, cause "Eihtball" is a pretty generic name.
Anyway, I guess what you've said is true. But it really is strange to me cause back in the day, I remember thinking Cube was actually a member; that's most def the impression he gave.
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However my main point was that it takes more talent to write and record an average rock song than it does to write and record an average hip hop song.
i taskes more talent to write and perfrom a mediocre Rock band hit than it does a very good rap song.
So which one is it?
Sorry for the confusion. Quality-wise it's mediocre (but let me explain my idea of mediocre in the next paragraph) vs very good rap song. The average thing was me trying to say a song in general. I should have worded it better.
However my main point was that it takes more talent to write and record an average rock song than it does to write and record an average hip hop song. You give me a computer, a stack of records to sample from, and a microphone and I my self will produce a rap song that isn't much worse than most of the rap in the mainstream today (Infinte was talking about the Mainstream). You give me a piano, a guitar, a bass, drums, and I'll have a very difficult time coming up with anything. In gerenral it's harder to play instruments than play with a computer program (which it what most hip hop is today). Top level DJing and scratching maybe an art and a true talent but it has a very small place in today's mainstream hip hop scene (unfortunately).
No, you definitely could not. Even making "average" hip-hop beats is still like conducting a minor orchestra: It's all about arrangement. It's also important to keep in mind that sampling is (essentially) dead these days, and that most of the "samples" you hear on modern hip-hop records are actually played by other musicians (like on Dre's present-day records, where he has Scott Storch on the keyboards and Mike Elizondo doing guitar and bass). Hip-hop beats may be based upon a repetitive chord structure and looping, but coming up with something so catchy in the first place is still difficult. The average hip-hop beat is far more complex and has far more layers of depth than the average rock beat, IMO. Just look at all the beats available on Soundclick or in our own Lab section...do you really hear any that are even CLOSE to as good as what most hip-hop producers come up with? And those are made by cats who have computers, mics, and stacks of records to sample from.
Besides, it's interesting that you group all "rock" in the same category and say that just because it takes guitar, bass, and drums that means it takes more talent. Part of the appeal of punk in the 1970s' was that any frustrated British youth could basically get on stage and belt out some "glorious noise" even if they were inexperienced, and indeed, a lot of people wrote off punk as a genre for that reason. More recently, we've seen the same thing with Nirvana and the onset of "grunge" in the early-90s'.
Sampling in the sense of using a machine to record and loop may not be as common, but sampling in the sense of stealing older compositions making them the background for the rapping is still very common. Let's take My Name Is produced by Dre. Dre didn't write a single fucking note of that instrumental. He just heard Labi Siffre's "I Got The" about 2 minutes in and had his musicians replay it note for note. The talent in that song came out in the comedy and and the vocal chorus. Look at Kanye. I could easily make songs at the same quality as he does. His choruses aren't original, his beats and melodies are taken, and his lyrics and flow aren't that good, and yet he is considered very good.
Don't get me started on Punk. I said mediocre. I don't even consider most of Punk mediocre. It took some talent to be in The Clash or the Ramones, but a lot of the bands were just dicking around with instruments, screaming and whining about life. I'm talking about Led Zeppelin (not just the blues covers or taken rifts but the original stuff too), Bad Company, Pink Floyd, Bruce Springsteen, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, GnR, Van Halen, etc.
Nirvana was hardly like the screaming punks of the Brit scene. Cobain was an extremely talented songwriter and lyricist. He had a great emoting voice and he could write and play some great guitar melodies. He called himself punk but his inspirations and influence went far beyond that.
I'll dick around on frooty loops or some shit program and come up with something (I'll get someone else to rap on it because my voice is shit for rap) but then I'll post it and if it's far worse than current mainstream rap I'll take your side.
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Sampling in the sense of using a machine to record and loop may not be as common, but sampling in the sense of stealing older compositions making them the background for the rapping is still very common. Let's take My Name Is produced by Dre. Dre didn't write a single fucking note of that instrumental. He just heard Labi Siffre's "I Got The" about 2 minutes in and had his musicians replay it note for note. The talent in that song came out in the comedy and and the vocal chorus. Look at Kanye. I could easily make songs at the same quality as he does. His choruses aren't original, his beats and melodies are taken, and his lyrics and flow aren't that good, and yet he is considered very good.
I KNOW that hip-hop tracks are based on other people's melodies, beats, etc., but that is the point. I don't see why the hell you even listen to hip-hop (and appear on a hip-hop board) if you have so little appreciation for this art form. Hip-hop is not "stealing older compositions" - it's about stripping them down and rejuvinating them with new life, in other words, making it your own by putting a new twist on it. And it's actually not unprecedented in modern music...the bebop movement in jazz was more-or-less the same concept. Just as hip-hop was originally freestyling over existing funk/soul breaks, bebop was about improvisation over existing chord changes from other jazz records.
As far as your opinion about Kanye, I realize not everyone respects him as an MC (and I understand why), but I seriously doubt you you could come up with anything CLOSE to what he comes up with behind the boards.
Don't get me started on Punk. I said mediocre. I don't even consider most of Punk mediocre. It took some talent to be in The Clash or the Ramones, but a lot of the bands were just dicking around with instruments, screaming and whining about life. I'm talking about Led Zeppelin (not just the blues covers or taken rifts but the original stuff too), Bad Company, Pink Floyd, Bruce Springsteen, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, GnR, Van Halen, etc.
Nirvana was hardly like the screaming punks of the Brit scene. Cobain was an extremely talented songwriter and lyricist. He had a great emoting voice and he could write and play some great guitar melodies. He called himself punk but his inspirations and influence went far beyond that.
I never said Nirvana were screaming punks, but the simplicity and stripped-down sound of Cobain's guitar melodies did anger a lot of people, especially the heavy metal fanboys who were into complex machine gun-tempo solos. Musically, grunge was seen by some people as a bastard child of punk and metal when Nirvana first came out.
I'll dick around on frooty loops or some shit program and come up with something (I'll get someone else to rap on it because my voice is shit for rap) but then I'll post it and if it's far worse than current mainstream rap I'll take your side.
Yeah, you do that, but I already know you ain't got a chance in hell. I've already told you before...there are a zillion cats fucking with computer programs like Frooty Loops who post their work on Soundclick and in DubCNN's Lab (see below this). Do you hear ANYTHING that's as good as what Kanye or Dr. Dre produce? If you have, you'd pretty much realize just how hard it is to create something on their level.
Here's my challenge to you...create a G-Funk beat of the sort that Dre or DJ Quik would have produced in the early-90s'. Do you even know the basic elements that define the G-Funk style? If so, then get to work.
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Suratal Nasr-
"When comes the help of Allah
and you will see the people
enter Allah's religion in crowds
Celebrate the praises of the Lord
and pray for his forgiveness
For he is oft-returning in grace
and in mercy".
Just as hip-hop was started by the Pan African/Pan Islamic movements like the Zulu Nation, I believe that the fans of hip-hop (like myself) will soon represent a large block of American society embracing Islam. We grew up listening to so many rappers expressing Pan-Islam or atleast sympathetic to Islam and Muslims, that we have grown up with favourable views towards Islam. Even 2pac had a video in 1996 "I Ain't Mad At Ya" in which he gives encouragement to an old friend who converted to Islam.
We already know how many rappers are Muslim, but you will be suprised to find in the coming years how many fans of hip-hop will enter into Islam.
Look at the kids in school today, they are still trying to skateboard and listening to local rock artists who are no longer mainstream and will soon become irrelevant. And when it comes to young kids who are into hip-hop, there will always be ignorant hip-hop heads, but not everyone is going to settle for music that has no substance; and a life that has no meaning. Those who are conscious and are seeking to attain a higher level of conscious will soon embrace Islam as a means of learn knowledge and discipline.
maybe then you'll be that much closer to being black. or so you hope every night before you go to sleep.
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Sampling in the sense of using a machine to record and loop may not be as common, but sampling in the sense of stealing older compositions making them the background for the rapping is still very common. Let's take My Name Is produced by Dre. Dre didn't write a single fucking note of that instrumental. He just heard Labi Siffre's "I Got The" about 2 minutes in and had his musicians replay it note for note. The talent in that song came out in the comedy and and the vocal chorus. Look at Kanye. I could easily make songs at the same quality as he does. His choruses aren't original, his beats and melodies are taken, and his lyrics and flow aren't that good, and yet he is considered very good.
I KNOW that hip-hop tracks are based on other people's melodies, beats, etc., but that is the point. I don't see why the hell you even listen to hip-hop (and appear on a hip-hop board) if you have so little appreciation for this art form. Hip-hop is not "stealing older compositions" - it's about stripping them down and rejuvinating them with new life, in other words, making it your own by putting a new twist on it. And it's actually not unprecedented in modern music...the bebop movement in jazz was more-or-less the same concept. Just as hip-hop was originally freestyling over existing funk/soul breaks, bebop was about improvisation over existing chord changes from other jazz records.
As far as your opinion about Kanye, I realize not everyone respects him as an MC (and I understand why), but I seriously doubt you you could come up with anything CLOSE to what he comes up with behind the boards.
Don't get me started on Punk. I said mediocre. I don't even consider most of Punk mediocre. It took some talent to be in The Clash or the Ramones, but a lot of the bands were just dicking around with instruments, screaming and whining about life. I'm talking about Led Zeppelin (not just the blues covers or taken rifts but the original stuff too), Bad Company, Pink Floyd, Bruce Springsteen, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, GnR, Van Halen, etc.
Nirvana was hardly like the screaming punks of the Brit scene. Cobain was an extremely talented songwriter and lyricist. He had a great emoting voice and he could write and play some great guitar melodies. He called himself punk but his inspirations and influence went far beyond that.
I never said Nirvana were screaming punks, but the simplicity and stripped-down sound of Cobain's guitar melodies did anger a lot of people, especially the heavy metal fanboys who were into complex machine gun-tempo solos. Musically, grunge was seen by some people as a bastard child of punk and metal when Nirvana first came out.
I'll dick around on frooty loops or some shit program and come up with something (I'll get someone else to rap on it because my voice is shit for rap) but then I'll post it and if it's far worse than current mainstream rap I'll take your side.
Yeah, you do that, but I already know you ain't got a chance in hell. I've already told you before...there are a zillion cats fucking with computer programs like Frooty Loops who post their work on Soundclick and in DubCNN's Lab (see below this). Do you hear ANYTHING that's as good as what Kanye or Dr. Dre produce? If you have, you'd pretty much realize just how hard it is to create something on their level.
Here's my challenge to you...create a G-Funk beat of the sort that Dre or DJ Quik would have produced in the early-90s'. Do you even know the basic elements that define the G-Funk style? If so, then get to work.
1.) It's the artform that pisses me off, it's hte fact that these days so many of the samples are batant copies with little done to chacge them other than the tempo, and then the guy who produced them gets so much credit as a genius composer. Listen to the original samples of G Thang or Jesus Walks and you'll hear that the main part is all there. Adding a few bells and whistles in the background doesn't make you a genius.
2) No argument. I just wanted to make sure we both felt Cobain had more musical talent than the Punk bands.
3) G Funk type beat? I'll do my best, and let you know when it's done.
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1.) It's the artform that pisses me off, it's hte fact that these days so many of the samples are batant copies with little done to chacge them other than the tempo, and then the guy who produced them gets so much credit as a genius composer. Listen to the original samples of G Thang or Jesus Walks and you'll hear that the main part is all there. Adding a few bells and whistles in the background doesn't make you a genius.
You think I don't know the samples? LOL, I grew up in the 80s', and my folks were from the R&B/funk/soul generation, so I grew up listening to a lot of the artists that rappers would soon be sampling ad nauseum, folks like James Brown, George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic, Zapp, Issac Hayes, the Ohio Players, you name it. Moms was bumping "I Wanna Do Something Freaky To You" all the time, so I recognized the sample the moment Dre used it in "Nuthin But A G Thang". But that's part of what made it so special to me...these producers managed to re-arrange it in a new way that made it sound fresh again. THAT is their "genius", the part of the art form that you could never appreciate.
Seriously, stop listening to hip-hop...muh'fuckas like you are not needed.
3) G Funk type beat? I'll do my best, and let you know when it's done.
And I'll be ready to laugh at you when your ass realizes just how wrong you were...IF you're really true to your word (which I doubt you'll be).
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1.) It's the artform that pisses me off, it's hte fact that these days so many of the samples are batant copies with little done to chacge them other than the tempo, and then the guy who produced them gets so much credit as a genius composer. Listen to the original samples of G Thang or Jesus Walks and you'll hear that the main part is all there. Adding a few bells and whistles in the background doesn't make you a genius.
You think I don't know the samples? LOL, I grew up in the 80s', and my folks were from the R&B/funk/soul generation, so I grew up listening to a lot of the artists that rappers would soon be sampling ad nauseum, folks like James Brown, George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic, Zapp, Issac Hayes, the Ohio Players, you name it. Moms was bumping "I Wanna Do Something Freaky To You" all the time, so I recognized the sample the moment Dre used it in "Nuthin But A G Thang". But that's part of what made it so special to me...these producers managed to re-arrange it in a new way that made it sound fresh again. THAT is their "genius", the part of the art form that you could never appreciate.
Seriously, stop listening to hip-hop...muh'fuckas like you are not needed.
3) G Funk type beat? I'll do my best, and let you know when it's done.
And I'll be ready to laugh at you when your ass realizes just how wrong you were...IF you're really true to your word (which I doubt you'll be).
Re-arrange what? It's the same melody exactly. It just cuts out and loops in steda of go crazy like Heywood's version. If I went to some human rights meeting and recited the "I Have a Dream" speech, I wouldn't hope to be called a genius.
For the record, I stopped listening to hip hop along time ago. I'll put in the odd Pac record here and there and take a quick listen to something new of someone tells me it's good but that's it. I'm still on the forum because there are a lot of fans of other music on the Outbound forum, and I like TOT.
I'll have no problem saying I was wrong, but it has to be more than you saying it sucks. When I post it, we'll have a pole and it 50%+ say it's shit compared to the stuff out today then I'll admit how hard it is. I just have to make the intsrumental right. I don't have to rap on it? (I could make Gin and Juice unlistenable with my rapping vocals).
Also don't expect it to sound proffesional in a technical sense. I'm not renting out a pro studio here. I'm just dicking wround on the PC. If I had 5 top level musicians and million dollar equipment it would obviously sound better.
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Re-arrange what? It's the same melody exactly. It just cuts out and loops in steda of go crazy like Heywood's version.
"Nuthin But A G Thang" is not one of Dre's more complex productions. But take any others..."Fuck Wit Dre Day", for example, uses the bassline from Funkadelic's "Knot Just (Knee Deep)", plus elements from three different Parliament songs (including "Funkentelechy", "Aquaboogie", and "The Big Bang Theory"), not to mention live instruments here and there.
Even the simpler songs, however, still have their own layers of depth. Dre came up with his own style, which he called G-Funk, that had a specific template which appealed to a lot of other rappers. So yeah, coming up with your own style of sampling is indeed creative work.
If I went to some human rights meeting and recited the "I Have a Dream" speech, I wouldn't hope to be called a genius.
Apples and oranges, completely-fucking-irrelevent. I've already said hip-hop is more comparable to bebop than anything else.
For the record, I stopped listening to hip hop along time ago. I'll put in the odd Pac record here and there and take a quick listen to something new of someone tells me it's good but that's it. I'm still on the forum because there are a lot of fans of other music on the Outbound forum, and I like TOT.
Yeah, well, then maybe you should move on. You aren't needed here anymore.
I'll have no problem saying I was wrong, but it has to be more than you saying it sucks. When I post it, we'll have a pole and it 50%+ say it's shit compared to the stuff out today then I'll admit how hard it is. I just have to make the intsrumental right. I don't have to rap on it? (I could make Gin and Juice unlistenable with my rapping vocals).
Also don't expect it to sound proffesional in a technical sense. I'm not renting out a pro studio here. I'm just dicking wround on the PC. If I had 5 top level musicians and million dollar equipment it would obviously sound better.
You don't need million-dollar equipment to make good G-Funk beats...do you think most of the West Coast rappers who are indie now have that much stuff? Granted, they ain't using Fruity Loops, either, but most of them are using vastly cheaper equipment than what a major label's studio could provide. Even "Straight Outta Compton" was made on something like a $10 Grande budget, if I recall correctly. I think you'll find that there is a great deal of talent required to come up with these sorts of beats, to choose the sample and re-arrange it as a beat, talent which you lack.
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Why are you so angry?
You are using the best hip hop producer there is to justify talent when I said "very good" rap song. There is no denying Dre hasa great ear, an amazing ear, and is an excellent producer. He just isn't that great of a composer in the grand scheme of things. Put his composing skills up against artists like Lionel Richie, Elton John, or Phil Collins and you'll see Dre lags way behind. He's not a composer, plain and simple. he works with great musicians who can compose sometimes and he knows what sounds good and he uses that.
The point of the King speech was it's absurd when you use another man's words as your own, but not when it's another man's music. I don't care that they do it. I just get pissed off when they calim they made it. Most of the kids that buy his albums think he came up with the Jesus Walks melody himself, and he didn't, and he makes no effort to show where he got it.
There are plenty of threads on this forum that have nothing to do with Hip Hop and I can post wherever I want. This isn't a socialist Nazi forum.
I didn't mean music quality. I meant sound quality. Just don't expect it to soumd like it was recorded in a pro studio. Why would I even have to re-arrange anything. Did Kanye re-arrange the intro to Chicago by CSNY when he made Beanie's The Truth. Did Dre re-arrange Siffre's I Got The when he made My Name Is? Second, what do you know of my talent or lack of talent?
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On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
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The Clash had more talent than Kurt Cobain.
As for this topic its just another attempt to keep people talking about Islam.
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As for this topic its just another attempt to keep people talking about Islam.
:sign_werd: Just another ploy by Infinite to make it seem like Islam is the universal serious topic of the world. Otherwise why didn't he post this in the outbound section?
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On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.
All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.
And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.
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All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.
I think it was David McAllums "The Edge", and he praised Dre for his version.
Both Missin Linx and Tash have also both sampled that track.
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On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.
All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.
And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.
I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.
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On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.
All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.
And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.
I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.
A LOT of beats on 2001 used music from other songs. I can think of 7 just off the top of my head.
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On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.
All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.
And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.
I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.
A LOT of beats on 2001 used music from other songs. I can think of 7 just off the top of my head.
7 outta how many. name them
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On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.
All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.
And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.
I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.
I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?
How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.
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On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.
All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.
And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.
I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.
I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?
How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.
telling artist how to do the music, and then put it all together, I think he writes some of that.
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On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.
All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.
And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.
I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.
I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?
How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.
telling artist how to do the music, and then put it all together, I think he writes some of that.
Some? Sure. All? No way. Most? I don't know.
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On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.
All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.
And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.
I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.
I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?
How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.
telling artist how to do the music, and then put it all together, I think he writes some of that.
Some? Sure. All? No way. Most? I don't know.
his a hip hop producer. Your main beef with him is that. I am someone who listens to hip-hop and all music and takes it for what it is. I think Dre is a great producer, and he came up with most the sounds, and how he wanted them, yet you are someone who likes to credit the player for playing his guitar, so you credit Scott Storch over Dr. Dre, even if Dre came up with the melody.
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On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.
All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.
And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.
I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.
I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?
How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.
telling artist how to do the music, and then put it all together, I think he writes some of that.
Some? Sure. All? No way. Most? I don't know.
his a hip hop producer. Your main beef with him is that. I am someone who listens to hip-hop and all music and takes it for what it is. I think Dre is a great producer, and he came up with most the sounds, and how he wanted them, yet you are someone who likes to credit the player for playing his guitar, so you credit Scott Storch over Dr. Dre, even if Dre came up with the melody.
Producers in general don't write melodies, in any music. What I querstion is whether Dre wrote themelodies or chjose the melodies that Storch or Elizondo came up with. I remember reading that both played a big role in composing tracks on 2001. Dre is a great producer. I just think he gets confused with a composer too often. I know for a fact that Dre did not write the Still DRE melody.
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On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.
All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.
And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.
I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.
A LOT of beats on 2001 used music from other songs. I can think of 7 just off the top of my head.
7 outta how many. name them
I think I misread your original post. You are right, most (if not all?) the songs are replayed, but they aren't all original compositions.
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I don't understand, I doubt Dre WROTE anything, he doesn't know notes like that, I'm assuming. He could have done some digging and found the samples and had Elizondo or somebody re-play them, Dre has the last say which makes him the producer, the ear.
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I don't understand, I doubt Dre WROTE anything, he doesn't know notes like that, I'm assuming. He could have done some digging and found the samples and had Elizondo or somebody re-play them, Dre has the last say which makes him the producer, the ear.
exactly...
although i have heard he'll say "playing something like this..." and hum a bit.. then the players ellaborate.. and he'll say yay or nay... plus he does still do the drum track..
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I don't understand, I doubt Dre WROTE anything, he doesn't know notes like that, I'm assuming. He could have done some digging and found the samples and had Elizondo or somebody re-play them, Dre has the last say which makes him the producer, the ear.
why did this conversation hone in on dre?
in l.a.:
quik plays more instruments, utilizes a far more diverse array of instruments and sounds. quik is more musical than dre.
big hutch on kokane's funk upon a rhyme album, battlecat's latest sound...all of these seem more creative than what dre has been doing as of late.
on the west coast:
the bay area in general seems to have been far ahead of dre interms of the usage of live instruments, rick rock, bosko, sam bostic...just listen to an e-40 album, dre's tracks "aren't live like that"
across hip hop:
in terms of sampling, dre is very unoriginal and less creative in comparison to guys like mf doom or madlib. there are completely different philosophies to what dre does with his.
you have groups like the roots, the roots are a band.
if this is an argument about hip hop, why is it seemingly limited to dre? dre does what he does, and alot of people think that what he does is hot; but it's not close to representative of hip-hop as a whole in terms of creativity.