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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Perfection on July 17, 2003, 10:22:05 AM
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Twenty-nine years after Muhammad Ali surprised George Foreman in Kinshasa, Zaire, Roy Jones Jr. appears set to stage Rumble in the Jungle II.
Jones says he would like to defend his WBA championship against either Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis on November 8 in the Kenyan capital of Nairobi.
Akbar Muhammad, senior vice-president of Roy Jones Enterprises, tells The Daily Mirror newspaper that negotiations are at an advanced stage with Tyson.
"We are holding negotiations with Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis but the most probable opponent for Roy Jones will be Tyson," he said. "Roy Jones has given a commitment to defend his title in Nairobi on November 8 and he will be coming here on July 21 to promote the fight."
A bout with Tyson looks more likely since Lewis is set to defend his heavyweight championship against Vitali Klitschko sometime this fall.
Jones became the first boxer in more than 100 years to go from middleweight champion to heavyweight champion when he defeated John Ruiz last March.
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sounds dope, I'd like to see Tyson knock him out :D
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Who cares unless it's against the real Heavyweight Champion of the World?
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Who cares unless it's against the real Heavyweight Champion of the World?
I care 'cause it will be a great fight. And it's like Ali-Fraizer 2, you know the winner is going to fight the champ. So I can't wait. both fights happen around the same time from each other. I hope to see Roy win... and take Lewis crown. 'Cause he is Superman.
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R.I.P Roy Jones Jr
Tyson/Lewis will KILL this little guy. Because BOTH of these fighters are not going to go in to techs and point boxing. THEY"RE GOING AFTER THE MUSCLE GAME, seriously Tyson will be going for the 1 round knock out, and Lewis will just sit back and knock him around.
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Who cares unless it's against the real Heavyweight Champion of the World?
I care 'cause it will be a great fight. And it's like Ali-Fraizer 2, you know the winner is going to fight the champ. So I can't wait. both fights happen around the same time from each other. I hope to see Roy win... and take Lewis crown. 'Cause he is Superman.
If Tyson wins he will not be fighting Lewis because Lewis doesn't want that fight anymore.
If you really think Jones can handle Lewis? Look at the last Lewis fight with Klitschko, who think Jones could handle those shots that Lewis and Klitschko were giving each other?
This fight with Tyson will prove whether or not Jones can handle a heavyweight because the fight against Ruiz doesn't count because Ruiz sucks and he was a paper champ.
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JONES is a damn good boxer....Jones will beat his opponent , whovever it is.
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If Jones is to fight Tyson, Lewis or Klitschko the way he fought Ruiz, then he will be KO because during the Ruiz fight there was numerous amounts of times were Jones stuck his head out telling Ruiz to punch him. If he fights like that again it will be over for Jones.
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this is bull shit news...its not signed...not even on cnnsi.com or espn..dont report fake rumors >:(
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this is bull shit news...its not signed...not even on cnnsi.com or espn..dont report fake rumors >:(
Those are real quotes. Jones is going to Kenya to promote his fight in Kenya on November. It didn't say it was signed it said it was betwwen either Lewis or Tyson, but since Lewis is fighting Klitschko in the fall, it will be Tyson who will most likely face Jones in November. If you read the article you would see that the fight isn't signed but Jones will be fighting in Kenya on November 8.
Read before you make a stupid calm of a fake rumour.
To see where this article came from go to www.tsn.ca/boxing
Guess what I just checked ESPN's boxing site, and do you know what? The rumour there too. So don't say it's not on ESPN's website without checking it 1st. http://espn.go.com/boxing/index.html
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Jones stands a better chance against Tyson then any BIG Heavyweight i think. Ruiz doesnt count, cus he jus fukin sucks. But Tyson has power, but i seriously doubt he's fast enough to keep up wit Jones. He couldnt get out of the way of Lewis's shots, imagine tryna duck the MUCH MUCH MUCH quiker hands of Jones. This shit should be off tha chain tho!!!!!!
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Jones VS Tyson? HOT
PS: I think the ONLY fighter out there that could de-crown Lewis is Klistchko. When they fight next, Vitali will win. As long as his eye don't get fucked up again, he's golden. I want Vitali to win...I think Lewis is an asshole.
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Lewis will win in the rematch because he'll be in shape and he'll have more then 2 weeks to prepare for this fight.
Kirk Johnson still says that he would've KO Lewis if he didn't get injuried and pull out of the fight. However Johnson couldn't beat Ruiz.
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Lewis will win in the rematch because he'll be in shape and he'll have more then 2 weeks to prepare for this fight.
Kirk Johnson still says that he would've KO Lewis if he didn't get injuried and pull out of the fight. However Johnson couldn't beat Ruiz.
Maybe...I don't think so though. In the fights I've seen with Lewis, I've never seen anyone pound Lewis like Vitali. Lewis was seeing stars in the 2nd round.
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Most of the rounds that Lewis won in that fight came after the 2nd round.
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I look at it like this. Roy is a great boxer, his place in history will go up there with Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Joe Luis. Greatness doesn't lose. Tyson will be there with great boxing villians, great punchers the the great boxers beat like Tommy Hearn, Sonny Listen, a young George Foreman and Jack Dempsey. Great punchers, but are bound to get beat. Lennox is a great boxer, but isn't great unless his sharing the spotlight. His a bigger version of Joe Frazier, or Larry Holmes. Vitali is a good fighter looking for a shot, that one fight to make him great, like all great when they are young, though Vitali is 31 already... lol. In the end, I see either Vitali or Roy Jones coming out as the champ. Vitali is going to be Lennox, and Roy will beat Tyson, because Tyson doesn't want it anymore. Then Vitali and Roy will fight, and that will be great.
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If Vitali Klitschko beats Lewis I will leave this board forever
It's not going to happen
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I look at it like this. Roy is a great boxer, his place in history will go up there with Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Joe Luis. Greatness doesn't lose. Tyson will be there with great boxing villians, great punchers the the great boxers beat like Tommy Hearn, Sonny Listen, a young George Foreman and Jack Dempsey. Great punchers, but are bound to get beat. Lennox is a great boxer, but isn't great unless his sharing the spotlight. His a bigger version of Joe Frazier, or Larry Holmes. Vitali is a good fighter looking for a shot, that one fight to make him great, like all great when they are young, though Vitali is 31 already... lol. In the end, I see either Vitali or Roy Jones coming out as the champ. Vitali is going to be Lennox, and Roy will beat Tyson, because Tyson doesn't want it anymore. Then Vitali and Roy will fight, and that will be great.
All great boxers lose. And if Jones fights Tyson the way he fought Ruiz, then Tyson will KO Jones, on question about that. Jones wouldn't stand a chance against Lewis or Vitali because they're 6'5 to 6'7 230lbs to 250lbs. And if Lewis hits Jones the way he hit Vitali when he cut his eye then Jones is done. And if Vitali hits Jones with some of those shots that he was giving Lewis, then Jones is done.
Jones maybe a great fighter (he can't be put in the same class as Ali, or Louis) but when he's barely 6'0 and 200lbs, he stands no chance against Tyson, and defintyl has no chance against Lewis or Vitali.
Lewis will beat Vitali in the rematch.
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Jones maybe a great fighter (he can't be put in the same class as Ali, or Louis) but when he's barely 6'0 and 200lbs, he stands no chance against Tyson, and defintyl has no chance against Lewis or Vitali.
Jones is a great fight in the same class as Ali and Louis, his proven it. Middleweight, Light Heavyweight, he did it all. Made Bernie Hopkins look like another chump. Had many other fighter afraid to see him. You think any fighter really wanted to have him move down in weight class to see them. Oscar De La Hoya, Hopkins, Tito, all of them didn't want to see him. So he moved to heavyweight. He will be know as one of the greatest pound for pound fighters with the Sugar Rays and Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns.
Now as for why he would win. First off Tyson is done, and he was never that big in size. Now Tyson in 1988 would be a first round knockout, but Tyson isn't as fast as he used to be, his not as hungry. Tyson has issues that he needs to handle, but he can't because he needs to box to make money to pay off all the money Don King ripped of from him. Tyson is done as a fighter, his 37,38 and would retire if he could. Roy will fustrate Tyson, and Tyson will not hit Jones well, as Jones knows what his fighting. You act like Jones is going to let Tyson hit him. Please, would you. Vitali will beat Lewis because Lewis thinks he won the last fight, and wouldn't be any better prepared. This time I don't think Vitali will get hit like he did before. He'll knock out Lewis. If it wasn't for the cut, Lewis would have been knockout. Then we have Vitali vs. Roy, and Roy will treat Vitali like John Ruiz, because they move with the same grace in the ring *sarcasim* only Vitali hits a lot harder. Jones wouldn't get hit though. He wouldn't take a fight unless he knows he can win. I think Jones will win. He might lose to Lewis if that ever happens, but my money is on Roy winning that one too. That would be his tuffest fight, and Lewis is starting to look like his ready to leave boxing.
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this is bull shit news...its not signed...not even on cnnsi.com or espn..dont report fake rumors >:(
Those are real quotes. Jones is going to Kenya to promote his fight in Kenya on November. It didn't say it was signed it said it was betwwen either Lewis or Tyson, but since Lewis is fighting Klitschko in the fall, it will be Tyson who will most likely face Jones in November. If you read the article you would see that the fight isn't signed but Jones will be fighting in Kenya on November 8.
Read before you make a stupid calm of a fake rumour.
To see where this article came from go to www.tsn.ca/boxing
Guess what I just checked ESPN's boxing site, and do you know what? The rumour there too. So don't say it's not on ESPN's website without checking it 1st. http://espn.go.com/boxing/index.html
its not set...theyre just talking about the possibility ::)...will never happen
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anybody that know bout boxing should know roy can't handle lewis...maybe tyson...but roy never fought somebody as strong as tyson before...mike will knock his ass out...
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Jones maybe a great fighter (he can't be put in the same class as Ali, or Louis) but when he's barely 6'0 and 200lbs, he stands no chance against Tyson, and defintyl has no chance against Lewis or Vitali.
Jones is a great fight in the same class as Ali and Louis, his proven it. Middleweight, Light Heavyweight, he did it all. Made Bernie Hopkins look like another chump. Had many other fighter afraid to see him. You think any fighter really wanted to have him move down in weight class to see them. Oscar De La Hoya, Hopkins, Tito, all of them didn't want to see him. So he moved to heavyweight. He will be know as one of the greatest pound for pound fighters with the Sugar Rays and Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns.
Now as for why he would win. First off Tyson is done, and he was never that big in size. Now Tyson in 1988 would be a first round knockout, but Tyson isn't as fast as he used to be, his not as hungry. Tyson has issues that he needs to handle, but he can't because he needs to box to make money to pay off all the money Don King ripped of from him. Tyson is done as a fighter, his 37,38 and would retire if he could. Roy will fustrate Tyson, and Tyson will not hit Jones well, as Jones knows what his fighting. You act like Jones is going to let Tyson hit him. Please, would you. Vitali will beat Lewis because Lewis thinks he won the last fight, and wouldn't be any better prepared. This time I don't think Vitali will get hit like he did before. He'll knock out Lewis. If it wasn't for the cut, Lewis would have been knockout. Then we have Vitali vs. Roy, and Roy will treat Vitali like John Ruiz, because they move with the same grace in the ring *sarcasim* only Vitali hits a lot harder. Jones wouldn't get hit though. He wouldn't take a fight unless he knows he can win. I think Jones will win. He might lose to Lewis if that ever happens, but my money is on Roy winning that one too. That would be his tuffest fight, and Lewis is starting to look like his ready to leave boxing.
About fighters ducking Jones, you'll notice that Oscar De La Hoya
is only about 160lbs and it's not that easy to gain 30lbs to move up to Jones category. Hopkins was trying to get a fight with Jones, Hopkins was going to move up a weight class if Jones was willing to move down a weight class. But Jones didn't want to do that.
And Tito is 150-165lbs and is retired so there wasn't any chance of that fight.
Tyson has the punchers chance. Lewis will win the rematch because if you look at Lewis' history, everytime he's not ready for a fight and loses or looks bad. He trainers harder and destorys the guy in the rematch.
If you knew something about boxing you'll notice that you can't compare Vitali to Ruiz. Ruiz was a guy who against Jones didn't take any chances, and he kept on bending down to the height of Jones so he never really had a height advantage because Ruiz took that away. Vitali is way better then Ruiz and you can't compare the two.
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About fighters ducking Jones, you'll notice that Oscar De La Hoya
is only about 160lbs and it's not that easy to gain 30lbs to move up to Jones category. Hopkins was trying to get a fight with Jones, Hopkins was going to move up a weight class if Jones was willing to move down a weight class. But Jones didn't want to do that.
And Tito is 150-165lbs and is retired so there wasn't any chance of that fight.
Tyson has the punchers chance. Lewis will win the rematch because if you look at Lewis' history, everytime he's not ready for a fight and loses or looks bad. He trainers harder and destorys the guy in the rematch.
If you knew something about boxing you'll notice that you can't compare Vitali to Ruiz. Ruiz was a guy who against Jones didn't take any chances, and he kept on bending down to the height of Jones so he never really had a height advantage because Ruiz took that away. Vitali is way better then Ruiz and you can't compare the two.
I'm saying is that Jones is already in the all time greats class. He made Hopkins look like a no name chump, and can do it again. His the first boxer to go from middleweight to heavyweight in over a hundred years, and did it in the so-called post-modern era when by know fact not even a great heavyweight can win against the new super-heavyweights. (Ruiz was suppose be be one, he was 235 after losing a lot of weight) Vitali and Ruiz have the same grace in the ring. Both are very clumsy, in fact I think Ruiz was more agile, but Vitali has WAY more power. Vitali wins all of his fights by knockout. But his never against great opponites, which makes knockouts easier to come by. Tyson is washed up. He doesn't want to fight no more. He will get beat everytime he fights a good fighter. He would retire if it wasn't for the debt Don King left him in. Lewis is also ready to retire, and Chris Byrd was right, he should. Lewis is done, his old, and he still doesn't think Vitali could beat him. He disrepected him even after the fight, and I doubt he'll try any harder, as he showed himself to be the prick that he is. Roy Jones is the only person in the heavyweight division, except Byrd, that is actually focused, and is in his prime. Byrd of course wouldn't get a fight because his a southpaw, and is not a knockout artist, but a fighter that makes people look bad. No promoter that is smart would promote him, so that leaves Jones as the person to defeat all these people. Lewis and Tyson will fall, they are too old, come on, 37 a piece for both of them. They only reason Lewis lasted this long was because he never fought no one until later in his career, and Tyson of course because he had a while in jail. Vitali is very powerful, and has finally shown heart. He could beat Jones, I don't think so, but it could happen. Lewis if he could show up ready, and actually in shape and if he can end it before the 4 round can too. After 4, his too old to last. Tyson again is done. He don't want it, he fights to get rid of debt. Byrd will never get a fight. And Vitali's younger brother, Whadmir, well he should be great in the future, but he needs to want it. He don't seem like it, losing to Cory Sanders, but we shall see.
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Tyson in one round, tyson's power is just wild.. did you see Clifford Etienne, i know he is a no name, but damn, that foo was a grown ass man and got knocked out.. lewis would get jones too, jones is good, but not great. Also Klitzko will take Lewis, i cant wait for the rematch..
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If Vitali Klitschko beats Lewis I will leave this board forever
It's not going to happen
Quoting this Just in case! ;)
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Should b a dope fight
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Remember what Rahanm was saying about Lewis before their rematch? When he said that Lewis was too old and that he was done as a fighter. Then what happened in the fight? Lewis KO Rahanm with the biggest shot in the history of boxing, and that's now me saying that, that's boxing experts who say that.
Anyone who compares Vitali Klitschko to John Ruiz doesn't know a thing about boxing because Ruiz was a paper champ and not a good fighter. When faced a guy like Jones who was smaller and weighed less, what did Ruiz do? Instead of using his height to his advantage, he kept on bending down making him and Jones the same height. There goes advantage #1. Also in this fight Ruiz never tried to use any power shots. Jones would hit him, then Ruiz would wait 2 minutes before trying to punch Jones. And everytime Ruiz had Jones against the ropes or in the corner, he just let him go and didn't try punching him. There goes advantage #2. And a lot of the times when Ruiz would hit Jones, Ruiz would step back and let Jones recover, enlimitating any chance of a KO. There goes advantage #3.
If Jones fights Vitali Klitschko or Lennox Lewis the same way he fought Ruiz, then fight over you're winner and the new WBA and still the WBC Heavyweight champion of the world Lennox Lewis or Vitali Klitschko.
Chris Bryd would stand no chance against Lewis or the Klitschko brothers because Bryd has already fought the Klitschko brothers and he was getting destoryed by Vitali and then the fight was stopped because Vitali hurt his hand, and so Bryd won the fight. Then when Bryd fought Wlamdir he got destoryed, and then KO.
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LOL... I like the way you doubt Roy Jones though. Come on, the guy has moved from middleweight, to light-heavyweight, to heavyweight. His already being talked about with the likes of Sugar Ray Robinson as the greatest pound for pound fighter ever. And he could beat a super heavyweight. Ruiz was more than a paper champion. That's your only arguement, but he did beat three top challengers before losing to Roy. And he did beat Holyfield when people still though Holyfield was a great fighter, granted a boring ass fight, but still. Roy just isn't going to allow a heavyweight to lean on them, and bully him around. His too fast for that. And Vitali will beat Lewis. Lewis is the better fighter, but he will write of Vitali, again, and lose, again. Vitali may have heart, but he can't move well enought to beat Roy. I've watched a lot of boxing, to say I don't know shit about boxing is bullshit. I think Roy can win. He wouldn't take a fight unless he knows he can win. This super-heavyweights gots people gased up on the real.
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LOL... I like the way you doubt Roy Jones though. Come on, the guy has moved from middleweight, to light-heavyweight, to heavyweight. His already being talked about with the likes of Sugar Ray Robinson as the greatest pound for pound fighter ever. And he could beat a super heavyweight. Ruiz was more than a paper champion. That's your only arguement, but he did beat three top challengers before losing to Roy. And he did beat Holyfield when people still though Holyfield was a great fighter, granted a boring ass fight, but still. Roy just isn't going to allow a heavyweight to lean on them, and bully him around. His too fast for that. And Vitali will beat Lewis. Lewis is the better fighter, but he will write of Vitali, again, and lose, again. Vitali may have heart, but he can't move well enought to beat Roy. I've watched a lot of boxing, to say I don't know shit about boxing is bullshit. I think Roy can win. He wouldn't take a fight unless he knows he can win. This super-heavyweights gots people gased up on the real.
Ruiz only beat 2 guys before fighting Jones. He fought Holyfield 3 times (Holyfield wasn't a good fighter for these fights because in his next fight against Bryd he only landed 4 jabs) and then Ruiz beat Kirk Johnson but only because Johnson got DQ for low blowing Ruiz 3 times.
And I gave you 3 of the reasons why Jones beat Ruiz. Ruiz may of had the height, weight, and power advantage over Jones before the fight, but during the fight it was Ruiz that took those 3 advantages away not Jones. Lewis and Vitali are bigger, stronger, faster, and better fighters then Ruiz and won't make that mistake vs Jones. Also the difference between Lewis or Vitali and Ruiz is that Lewis and Vitali have good trainers. All Ruiz had was a bunch of guys with anger problems.