West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Shawn Nutt on January 07, 2007, 10:45:55 PM
-
i had no idea until today... i was talking to a friend who is a satanist, and asked him if he believed in god and rebelled against him, or just didnt believe in god at all... he said satanists dont believe in god, which was fair enough... but then i asked him why he chose to worship satan, and he laughed and said most satanists dont even believe in satan as a superior being... so i asked him for the basics of satanism, and of what i understood right off the bat, i could relate to and agreed with... he re-worded the parts i didnt understand, and after we were done i realized i agreed with all of the satanic rules, and agreed that all of the satanic sins were infact sins... i was extremely surprised, as usually when i study a new religion i dismiss it within mintues because something is completely off... all 11 rules, and all 9 sins, i agree with...
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
you learn something new every day
-
You're a fucking idiot bro, sorry.
-
You're a fucking idiot bro, sorry.
how?
-
whatever floats your boat, more power to you. 8)
-
jew
-
So basically it's just athiests mocking christians? Why not just be like every other athiest and ignore all religions. Kinda weird to me.
-
I'm with ya shawn. even though you're only 13 thats a legit idea for a religion. wikipedia that shit niggas
-
no matter what anybody says, I will always associate satanism with gothic freaks and wannabe-vampires.
-
no matter what anybody says, I will always associate satanism with gothic freaks and wannabe-vampires.
well of course, you're a prejudiced european. there are ghetto black mailmen in california that could be satanists. im glad you have a good chuckle though degrading our spiritual beliefs and way of life.
-
Being satanist is the devil's nature.
-
Being satanist is the devil's nature.
se7ens karma is even -666 and he still denies his satanist white nature
-
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me like to be a satanist, you have to believe in the bible and take it as the opposite of Christianity? Believing in the snake who blessed the world with the forbidden fruit, and stuff like that.
Well, I guess that means I'm not a satanist because I don't believe in the words of the bible.
-
I'm with ya shawn. even though you're only 13 thats a legit idea for a religion. wikipedia that shit niggas
haha, thanks but... im 17, lol
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me like to be a satanist, you have to believe in the bible and take it as the opposite of Christianity? Believing in the snake who blessed the world with the forbidden fruit, and stuff like that.
Well, I guess that means I'm not a satanist because I don't believe in the words of the bible.
that is Theistic Satanism, which actually believes in Satan the God of Evil... i, on the other hand, am an atheistic satanist
-
^^ loud and clear, I think I just need a proper definition in that case.
-
Being satanist is the devil's nature.
se7ens karma is even -666 and he still denies his satanist white nature
good one
-
Here is a good explanation that I have just found, so it ranges from rebelliousness of resisting religion to pure evil scum basically
I. Definition of Satanism
Many people use the term “Satanism” to refer to very different religions and practices. In America, some evangelical and fundamentalist Christian organizations have used the term to define as "satanic" any practice other than their own particular versions of Christianity. A more common cultural definition includes any religious practice that some consider part of the occult, including Wicca, Vodun, Santeria, and other Neopagan traditions. All of these, however, have completely different beliefs, practices, and social structures, and none of them are “Satanic.” In order to better understand the term “Satanism,” one must first examine the roots of the word.
The Oxford English Dictionary offers three definitions of the word “Satanism”:
1. A Satanic or diabolical disposition, doctrine, spirit, or contrivance. 2. The characteristics of the ‘Satanic school.’ 3. The worship of Satan, alleged to have been practised in France in the latter part of the 19th century; the principles and rites of the Satanists.
This first definition originated from An Apologie of the Church of England written by Thomas Harding (1565). During the 16th century, the word Satanism referred to both Protestants and Catholics, depending on which Christian group was using the term. The second definition refers to any writings or teachings of authors and poets such as Lord Byron. And, the third definition refers to the actual worship of Satan as a god. For a more detailed look at these three definitions, and a discussion of 19th-century “Satanism,” see Gareth J. Medway, Lure of the Sinister: The Unnatural History of Satanism (2001).
While these definitions are useful in understanding the roots of the word “Satanism,” none provide solid characteristics of what Satanism actually incorporates. As well, none of them explain modern Satanic practices such as those of the Church of Satan or the Temple of Set. For the purpose of this web site, the following is offered as a working definition of Modern Satanism.
Definition | Modern Satanism | History | Modern Panics | Links | Bibliography
II. Modern Satanism
Most modern Satanists are atheistic. They do not believe in or worship any specific deity, Satan or otherwise. Instead, they honor what they consider the spirit of Satan. Modern Satanists tend to follow what they believe are the ideals of Satan, and present him as an ideal whose traits are to be emulated. Satan is often represented as a symbol of resistance to dominant religious traditions (e.g., Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu). Some examples of organizations that follow this practice are the Church of Satan, the First Church of Satan, and the Temple of Set. This form of Satanism is generally referred to as “philosophical Satanism.”
While they are in the minority, some modern Satanists are theistic. They believe in Satan as a real entity. The Order of Nine Angels, for example, believes that Satan, as well as other “dark forces,” are individual entities beyond human control. Members of this group strive to become “one” with these sinister beings, and seek “to create new, more highly evolved individuals” through the practice of what they call “traditional Satanism” (Long 1994). This form of Satanism is generally referred to as “religious Satanism.”
As with any other religion, there are divisions of belief within modern Satanism, both between different groups and between members of the same group.
Definition | Modern Satanism | History | Modern Panics | Links | Bibliography
III. Satanism Through History
Like many other religious traditions, Satanism has a long and involved history. The following is a brief outline of the history and roots of Satanism.
While some groups claim that one of the earliest roots of modern Satanism began with the ancient Egyptian god Set (ca. 3200-700 BCE), historian Jeffrey Burton Russell disagrees. Russell writes that all Egyptian gods were ambivalent (Russell 1977: 77-78), and “there is no etymological connection between Set and Satan” (Russell 1986: 255). He goes on to explain that “the human concept of Satan was developed in Mazdaism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam precisely for the purpose of personifying radical evil” (Russell 1986: 255).
The period from the 15th to the 17th centuries marks the richest history in the development of what is now termed Satanism. In 1486, two Dominican friars, Heinrich Kramer and Jacob Sprenger, wrote the Malleus Maleficarium, or The Hammer of Witches, which purported to detail the various activities of “Satanic witchcraft.” These included such acts as flying on broomsticks, having wild sexual orgies, eating children, and inducing plagues. According to Russell, the idea of diabolical witchcraft originated “under the influence of Aristotelian scholasticism, [when] it was believed that natural magic did not exist and that magic could be effective only through the aid of Lucifer and his minions”(Russell 1988: 164).
The black arts and various occult practices resurfaced in the late 19th century. In France, it was believed that Freemasons were involved in Satan worship. Satan also became a symbol for the French revolution through writers such as Eliphas Lévi (Russell 1986: 201). In 19th-century French culture, Satan was often depicted as a political figure, though whose side he was on changed constantly depending on who made the charges.
In 1875, the Theosophical Society was founded by Madame Helena Blavatsky, and another occult organization, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, twelve years later. One of the most prominent members in the later years of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn was Aleister Crowley, a name that has come to be synonymous with popular understandings of Satanism in the 20th century. Although Crowley was not a technically a Satanist, he did claim to be "the Beast 666" from the book of Revelation, and some of his ideas and practices would later be incorporated into modern Satanism. In 1930s Paris, a Luciferian temple was established by Maria de Naglowska, and it is believed that her organization is still active in France (Medway 2001: 11-21).
In 1966, the Church of Satan was created by Anton LaVey, and has become arguably the most well known branch of the Satanic movement. in 1969, LaVey published The Satanic Bible. The Order of Nine Angels, a group of theistic Satanists, was also created in the 1960s. The Temple of Set broke away from LaVey’s Church of Satan, and in 1975 was granted non-profit church status in California. In 1994, another splinter group, the First Church of Satan, was created by John Allee, a former member of LaVey’s group.
While some sources claim that the number of Satanists worldwide numbers in the millions, there are currently no accurate membership numbers available and these estimates are almost certainly high.
Definition | Modern Satanism | History | Modern Panics | Links | Bibliography
IV. Modern Satanic Panics
The 1980s saw a wave of satanic panics that spread through America. "Satan mongers," often conservative Christians, alleged that a huge underground satanic conspiracy was responsible for any number of horrific crimes. Some of these estimated the number of satanists nationwide in the millions (Alexander 1990). This satanic underground, they charge, is responsible for such crimes as torturing and mutilating animals, child pornography and molestation, child kidnappings, and the ritualistic murder of men, women, and children. Indeed, some estimate that there are between fifty thousand and two million children sacrificed to Satan every year (Alexander 1990).
A number of different people have sought to verify the existence of such satanic cults. In 1980, Michelle Smith published Michelle Remembers, which told gruesome stories being abused at the hands of an organized satanic cult (Smith and Pazdor 1980). Nearly a decade later, Lauren Stratford gained national attention with her book, Satan's Undergroud, in which she claimed to have been used as a "baby breeder" to provide satanic cults with sacrificial victims (Stratford 1988; see Rivera 1988). Through sensationalized Christian ministries such as "Talk Back with Bob Larson," numerous other people have testified that they are personal witnesses to the horrors of satanism.
This all sounds quite dreadful, but the plain fact is that no solid evidence indicating the presence of an organized satanic underground has ever been discovered. How, then, has all this testimonial evidence surfaced?
While some has obviously been simply invented, other so-called evidence can be explained through a process known as Recovered Memory Therapy (RMT). During the 1980s and early 1990s, many therapists used this process in an attempt to unearth memories of abuse that their clients had suffered as children. They assumed that most troubled patients had suffered terrible trauma at a young age, and it was the job of the therapist to uncover the trauma, and help them work through it. The problem was that many therapists did not so much discover repressed memories as help their patients co-create them. As a result of suggestive and leading questions, hypnotism, implantation of ideas, and coersive conversation, thousands or even tens of thousands of confused patients "remembered" being abused as children, sometimes by their parents, and often at the hands of satanic cults. Many families were torn apart as a result of these accusations. During the 1990s, more and more mental health organizations determined that RMT often produced false memories in the minds of patients, and warned against the further use of these techniques. Countless patients recanted the memories supposedly gained through RMT, and many therapists were sued for damages caused. Now such practices are widely regarded as hopelessly flawed (Lanning 1992)..
Much of what the patients had "remembered" had been proven to be either unlikely, impossible, or outright false (Alxenader 1990. Patients gave names that did not exist; they named times when they were "baby breeders" when they were clearly not pregnant. They contradicted themselves frequently, and they accused people of committing crimes they could not possibly have committed.
Yet in the 1980s, these methods were widely accepted and panics about satanic cults flourished. This may have been enhanced by the rise of the Religious Right early in the decade, many of whose members actively promoted the idea. This group tended to characterize as immoral (and thus satanic) such things as heavy metal music, role-playing games like Dungeons and Dragons, increasing violence on TV, in movies, and through other types of popular culture such as videogames.
As sociologist Jeffrey S. Victor puts it, however, studies of "satanic panics" have found that, put it, "the fear of 'satanic cults' is a manifestation of social paranoia in times of uncertainty" (Victor 1989; see also Victor 1993). Victor found that these panics occurred most often in areas of economic hardship and turmoil, where people were insecure about their ability to provide a regular family life. The rumors of satanic activities, such as murdering helpless pets or sacrificial victims, were symbolic of their feelings of helplessness. These rumors, especially the ones that feared satanic activities on a given Halloween or Friday the 13th, were never authenticated.
Distortion of evidence, whether willful or accidental, contributed much to these panics. Occasionally a group of pets or livestock would be found mutilated, but most of these cases were found to be caused by wild animals such as wolves or coyotes. Instances would occur where a ghastly crime was committed and accompanied by satanic symbolism; yet there was no cause for believing these were committed by anyone more than a deranged individual who dabbled in Satanism, but who did not belong to any formal Satanic organization. Where there was even the potential for support for a case of satanic cult behavior, facts simply became blown out of proportion.
The sheer numerical estimates for a large satanic underground are clearly incompatible with the almost complete lack of evidence. The claim that tens of thousands of babies are ritually murdered each year has not been supported in any way. No one has been proven to be a "baby breeder" for a satanic cult. There are not enough children kidnapped to allow for these ritual infanticides. However disturbing, the majority of child kidnappings are simply parents fighting over custody: the number of child kidnappings committed by strangers has been documented at well under 100 per year. Of those, half are recovered within 5 years (Alexander 1990).
Definition | Modern Satanism | History | Modern Panics | Links | Bibliography
V.i. Links to Web Sites on Satanism
Alt Religion: Satanism
This site examines differences between unique types of satanism, and has several links to web sites dealing with satanic traditions.
http://altreligion.about.com/religion/altreligion/library/blspsatan.htm.
Religious Tolerance.org
This site tells about all the different forms of witchcraft and Satanism. It discredits popular myths and describes the philosophies of various satanic traditions.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanism.htm.
Letters to the Devil
This is an interactive web site with chat options and a message board.
http://www.satannet.com
Investigator's Guide to Allegations of "Ritual" Child Abuse
This is a copy of an official FBI document on the myths and realities of "ritual child abuse," written by Kenneth V. Lanning of the Behavioral Science Unit.
http://www.balanone.info/lanning.9201.html.
V.ii Links to Official Web Sites of Satanist Organizations
Church of Satan
http://www.churchofsatan.com
The First Church of Satan
http://www.churchofsatan.org
The Order of Nine Angels
http://camlad9.tripod.com
Temple of Set
http://www.xeper.org/pub/xp_main.htm
Demon Church
http://demonchurch.com
Definition | Modern Satanism | History | Modern Panics | Links | Bibliography
VI. Research Bibliography
Alexander, David. (1990). "Giving the Devil More Than His Due." The Humanist 50 (2): 5-14.
Bromley, David G., and Susan G. Ainsley. (1995). "Satanism and Satanic Churches: The Contemporary Incarnations." In America's Alternative Religions, ed. Timothy Miller, 401-409. Albany, NY: State University of New York Press
Medway, Gareth J. (2001). Lure of the Sinister: An Unnatural History of Satanism. New York: New York University Press.
Pagels, Elaine. (1996). The Origin of Satan. New York: Vintage.
Richardson, James T., Joel Best, and David G. Bromley, eds. (1991). The Satanism Scare. New York: Aldine de Gruyter.
Rivera, Geraldo. (1988). "Satanic Breeders: Babies for Sacrifice." Geraldo (transcript #288; 24 October). New York: Journal Graphics, Inc.
Russell, Jeffrey Burton. (1977). The Devil: Perceptions of Evil from Antiquity to Primitive Christianity. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press.
_____. (1981). Satan: The Early Christian Tradition. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press.
_____. (1984). Lucifer: The Devil in the Middle Ages. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press.
_____. (1986). Mephistopheles: The Devil in the Modern World. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press.
_____. (1988). The Prince of Darkness: Radical Evil and the Power of Good in History. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press.
Shupe, Anson. (1990). "Pitchmen of the Satan Scare." Wall Street Journal (9 March): A12.
Smith, Michelle, and Lawrence Pazder. (1980). Michelle Remembers. New York: Congdon and Lattes Inc.
Stratford, Lauren. (1988). Satan's Underground. Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers.
Victor, Jeffrey S. (1989). "A Rumor-Panic About a Dangerous Satanic Cult in Western New York." New York Folklore 15 (1-2): 23-48.
_____. (1993). Satanic Panic: The Creation of a Contemporary Legend. Chicago: Open Court Publishing
Definition | Modern Satanism | History | Modern Panics | Links | Bibliography
-
Although that seems to be something of a whitewash because human sacrifices are carried out across the world, both real and mock sacrifices. In fact in large parts of Africa where voodoo is both recognised and practiced it was not until 1990 that human sacrificing was banned in the religion and was replaced by animals.. Therefore there is widespread satanic rituals, it was even reported by Peter Jennings how at bohemian grove they get to together for fun and do mock human sacrifices. I am sure that it is only a very small element of free masons who actually do practice that but certainly there are some that do. Which is why, though that source is informative, it does try to play down the fact that these accounts are probably genuine and not from someones imagination. As far as voodoo practices are concerned, that is all documented, no one has made any secret of the human sactifices, it was deemed a necessary part of the ritual.
-
fuck satan, he ain't never done shit for us, fuck him and his wack ass religion that's bullshit
-
"Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity
LOL... what an idiot.
-
fuck satan, he ain't never done shit for us, fuck him and his wack ass religion that's bullshit
fuck canadians who convert to satin
-
fuck satan, he ain't never done shit for us, fuck him and his wack ass religion that's bullshit
fuck canadians who convert to satin
fuck canada man
-
no matter what anybody says, I will always associate satanism with gothic freaks and wannabe-vampires.
yesirrr, if u dont agree with christianity just dont beleive in anything and dont think about stuff like that
-
fuck satan, he ain't never done shit for us, fuck him and his wack ass religion that's bullshit
fuck canadians who convert to satin
fuck canada man
fuck canadians, canada and the french
-
hey if that's what you believe in and don't disrespect my religion it's all good.
congrats on finding out your a satanist lol
-
fuck satan, he ain't never done shit for us, fuck him and his wack ass religion that's bullshit
fuck canadians who convert to satin
fuck canada man
fuck canadians, canada and the french
yup, quebec for life, we speak joual round here, you can't diss watchu dont know
-
fuck satan, he ain't never done shit for us, fuck him and his wack ass religion that's bullshit
fuck canadians who convert to satin
fuck canada man
fuck canadians, canada and the french
yup, quebec for life, we speak joual round here, you can't diss watchu dont know
im in french 3 doggie
-
fuck satan, he ain't never done shit for us, fuck him and his wack ass religion that's bullshit
fuck canadians who convert to satin
fuck canada man
fuck canadians, canada and the french
yup, quebec for life, we speak joual round here, you can't diss watchu dont know
im in french 3 doggie
so what?
-
fuck satan, he ain't never done shit for us, fuck him and his wack ass religion that's bullshit
fuck canadians who convert to satin
fuck canada man
fuck canadians, canada and the french
yup, quebec for life, we speak joual round here, you can't diss watchu dont know
im in french 3 doggie
so what?
u mad?
-
nope, it's a good thing to learn a second language, i've studied latin english and spanish, i'm only good in english though, i don't understand how someone can say fuck french and study it, unless his parents are pushing him to do it and he's mad
-
nope, it's a good thing to learn a second language, i've studied latin english and spanish, i'm only good in english though, i don't understand how someone can say fuck french and study it, unless his parents are pushing him to do it and he's mad
[/quote
no i got stuck in it cuz they ran out of room in spanish doggie, the french are a bunch of faggot bitches
-
nope, it's a good thing to learn a second language, i've studied latin english and spanish, i'm only good in english though, i don't understand how someone can say fuck french and study it, unless his parents are pushing him to do it and he's mad
no i got stuck in it cuz they ran out of room in spanish doggie, the french are a bunch of faggot bitches
No you got stuck in it because you're having trouble passing high school
-
nope, it's a good thing to learn a second language, i've studied latin english and spanish, i'm only good in english though, i don't understand how someone can say fuck french and study it, unless his parents are pushing him to do it and he's mad
no i got stuck in it cuz they ran out of room in spanish doggie, the french are a bunch of faggot bitches
No you got stuck in it because you're having trouble passing high school
stfu
-
Then shut the fuck up with your dumbass comments on AIM
-
lmao, u gotta learn to make the difference between quebecers and french, it's 2 different world, it's like comparing london and LA because it's population speek english
-
i've studied latin english and spanish, i'm only good in english though
LOL.. your Latin/Spanish must be pure humor.
-
errare humanum est
-
Im not french im fron quebec, im a quebecer
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
-
Im not french im fron quebec, im a quebecer
props
-
i had no idea until today... i was talking to a friend who is a satanist, and asked him if he believed in god and rebelled against him, or just didnt believe in god at all... he said satanists dont believe in god, which was fair enough... but then i asked him why he chose to worship satan, and he laughed and said most satanists dont even believe in satan as a superior being... so i asked him for the basics of satanism, and of what i understood right off the bat, i could relate to and agreed with... he re-worded the parts i didnt understand, and after we were done i realized i agreed with all of the satanic rules, and agreed that all of the satanic sins were infact sins... i was extremely surprised, as usually when i study a new religion i dismiss it within mintues because something is completely off... all 11 rules, and all 9 sins, i agree with...
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
you learn something new every day
this guy is an idiot, hes also the guy that thinks canadian bud is better than OG kush
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
well like if i meet someone for the first time, im not gonna be arrogant or anything like that... im nice and respectful and caring until a) they start to treat me like shit or b) treat themselves like shit... i dont walk around with my nose high up in the air, i just treat people the way they treat others, let them see what its like
-
fuck you stupid fool who says fuck canada and french.
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
well like if i meet someone for the first time, im not gonna be arrogant or anything like that... im nice and respectful and caring until a) they start to treat me like shit or b) treat themselves like shit... i dont walk around with my nose high up in the air, i just treat people the way they treat others, let them see what its like
I may teach people a lesson for their own sake on little things. But if someone is just being an asshole I just brush it off. It doesn't really bother me.
Also, treat others as they treat you can be very dangerous in weak minds. If someone tries to kill you or your family does that mean you should try and kill him and his family? To a logical human the answer is no, but some may not be so logical.
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
well like if i meet someone for the first time, im not gonna be arrogant or anything like that... im nice and respectful and caring until a) they start to treat me like shit or b) treat themselves like shit... i dont walk around with my nose high up in the air, i just treat people the way they treat others, let them see what its like
I may teach people a lesson for their own sake on little things. But if someone is just being an asshole I just brush it off. It doesn't really bother me.
Also, treat others as they treat you can be very dangerous in weak minds. If someone tries to kill you or your family does that mean you should try and kill him and his family? To a logical human the answer is no, but some may not be so logical.
well logic in this sense is also opinion, not fact... to me it would be logical to kill him, and illogical not to... it works both ways... its funny how religion has hardly anything to do with fact, its 99% opinion if not more
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
well like if i meet someone for the first time, im not gonna be arrogant or anything like that... im nice and respectful and caring until a) they start to treat me like shit or b) treat themselves like shit... i dont walk around with my nose high up in the air, i just treat people the way they treat others, let them see what its like
I may teach people a lesson for their own sake on little things. But if someone is just being an asshole I just brush it off. It doesn't really bother me.
Also, treat others as they treat you can be very dangerous in weak minds. If someone tries to kill you or your family does that mean you should try and kill him and his family? To a logical human the answer is no, but some may not be so logical.
well logic in this sense is also opinion, not fact... to me it would be logical to kill him, and illogical not to... it works both ways... its funny how religion has hardly anything to do with fact, its 99% opinion if not more
Now it's one thing to kill a man in the heat of the moment. But to intentionally go out in cold blood and murder someone is wrong and illegal for a reason. It is very logical to assume that if you aren't in direct life threatening danger you shouldn't kill. And even if he had killed your family, it is also very logical to know that killing the murderer will not bring them back.
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
well like if i meet someone for the first time, im not gonna be arrogant or anything like that... im nice and respectful and caring until a) they start to treat me like shit or b) treat themselves like shit... i dont walk around with my nose high up in the air, i just treat people the way they treat others, let them see what its like
I may teach people a lesson for their own sake on little things. But if someone is just being an asshole I just brush it off. It doesn't really bother me.
Also, treat others as they treat you can be very dangerous in weak minds. If someone tries to kill you or your family does that mean you should try and kill him and his family? To a logical human the answer is no, but some may not be so logical.
well logic in this sense is also opinion, not fact... to me it would be logical to kill him, and illogical not to... it works both ways... its funny how religion has hardly anything to do with fact, its 99% opinion if not more
Now it's one thing to kill a man in the heat of the moment. But to intentionally go out in cold blood and murder someone is wrong and illegal for a reason. It is very logical to assume that if you aren't in direct life threatening danger you shouldn't kill. And even if he had killed your family, it is also very logical to know that killing the murderer will not bring them back.
like i said, its all opinion... i believe its ok, i believe its logical... and killing them will make me happier knowing that ive avenged their deaths... i just realized now how many rappers claim to be christians when theyre pretty much satanists :rubeyes:
-
why cant you just say an ATHIEST? People are gonna take Satanism the wrong way. I would go around telling people you believe in Satanism, things could get ugly :baseballbat: :stir:
-
why cant you just say an ATHIEST? People are gonna take Satanism the wrong way. I would go around telling people you believe in Satanism, things could get ugly :baseballbat: :stir:
i dont just run around telling everyone... yes a lot of people take it the wrong way, which is why i dont tell just anyone... i actually talked to a christian at school about it, lol, and he was fine with it
-
i had no idea until today... i was talking to a friend who is a satanist, and asked him if he believed in god and rebelled against him, or just didnt believe in god at all... he said satanists dont believe in god, which was fair enough... but then i asked him why he chose to worship satan, and he laughed and said most satanists dont even believe in satan as a superior being... so i asked him for the basics of satanism, and of what i understood right off the bat, i could relate to and agreed with... he re-worded the parts i didnt understand, and after we were done i realized i agreed with all of the satanic rules, and agreed that all of the satanic sins were infact sins... i was extremely surprised, as usually when i study a new religion i dismiss it within mintues because something is completely off... all 11 rules, and all 9 sins, i agree with...
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
you learn something new every day
There would actually have to be a "Satan" for one to be a Satanist.
-
but then i asked him why he chose to worship satan, and he laughed and said most satanists dont even believe in satan as a superior being
-
but then i asked him why he chose to worship satan, and he laughed and said most satanists dont even believe in satan as a superior being
Then why the fuck do you call it Satanitism?
-
but then i asked him why he chose to worship satan, and he laughed and said most satanists dont even believe in satan as a superior being
Then why the fuck do you call it Satanitism?
if u actually read my post, it says "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
satan, according to christianity, teaches the opposite of God, and opposes God... a religion that teaches the opposite of christianity and opposes it would then be fitting to be called "satanism"
also, no, u do not have to believe in satan, because a satanist's goal is to make a mockery out of the holy bible, which explains the contradiction in naming it "satanism"... we're mocking christians for actually believing in satan as a being
-
Fuck that. don't believe the hype, generally MOST Satanists DO worship Satan.
There are sects yes. BUT most DO worship and BELIEVE in that Dude.
Talk to a police officer that catches these fucks in their crimes and shit. They BELIEVE that shit WHOLEHEARTEDLY
-
Exactly you have sects that see themselves as rebellious but many do worship satan and are not in the least bit candid about it either. Do not be so naive to believe that there is not a very dark evil side to this.
-
^^^^^
Chuuuch!!!
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
well like if i meet someone for the first time, im not gonna be arrogant or anything like that... im nice and respectful and caring until a) they start to treat me like shit or b) treat themselves like shit... i dont walk around with my nose high up in the air, i just treat people the way they treat others, let them see what its like
I may teach people a lesson for their own sake on little things. But if someone is just being an asshole I just brush it off. It doesn't really bother me.
Also, treat others as they treat you can be very dangerous in weak minds. If someone tries to kill you or your family does that mean you should try and kill him and his family? To a logical human the answer is no, but some may not be so logical.
well logic in this sense is also opinion, not fact... to me it would be logical to kill him, and illogical not to... it works both ways... its funny how religion has hardly anything to do with fact, its 99% opinion if not more
Now it's one thing to kill a man in the heat of the moment. But to intentionally go out in cold blood and murder someone is wrong and illegal for a reason. It is very logical to assume that if you aren't in direct life threatening danger you shouldn't kill. And even if he had killed your family, it is also very logical to know that killing the murderer will not bring them back.
like i said, its all opinion... i believe its ok, i believe its logical... and killing them will make me happier knowing that ive avenged their deaths... i just realized now how many rappers claim to be christians when theyre pretty much satanists :rubeyes:
It's not an opinion to think it's wrong or not. It's just wrong. You're just more comfortable with revenge murder because of the way it's romanticized in society. If someone raped in murdered your 5 year old son and you believe in treat other how they treat you, would you go rape and murder his 5 year old son? I'm just going to assume you wouldn't. Why? Because raping young boys has no glory behind it in today's society. If that style of revenge was programmed into the minds of the young as being cool then you'd see a lot more people agreeing with something so sick. But the righteous will always oppose it.
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
well like if i meet someone for the first time, im not gonna be arrogant or anything like that... im nice and respectful and caring until a) they start to treat me like shit or b) treat themselves like shit... i dont walk around with my nose high up in the air, i just treat people the way they treat others, let them see what its like
I may teach people a lesson for their own sake on little things. But if someone is just being an asshole I just brush it off. It doesn't really bother me.
Also, treat others as they treat you can be very dangerous in weak minds. If someone tries to kill you or your family does that mean you should try and kill him and his family? To a logical human the answer is no, but some may not be so logical.
well logic in this sense is also opinion, not fact... to me it would be logical to kill him, and illogical not to... it works both ways... its funny how religion has hardly anything to do with fact, its 99% opinion if not more
Now it's one thing to kill a man in the heat of the moment. But to intentionally go out in cold blood and murder someone is wrong and illegal for a reason. It is very logical to assume that if you aren't in direct life threatening danger you shouldn't kill. And even if he had killed your family, it is also very logical to know that killing the murderer will not bring them back.
like i said, its all opinion... i believe its ok, i believe its logical... and killing them will make me happier knowing that ive avenged their deaths... i just realized now how many rappers claim to be christians when theyre pretty much satanists :rubeyes:
It's not an opinion to think it's wrong or not. It's just wrong. You're just more comfortable with revenge murder because of the way it's romanticized in society. If someone raped in murdered your 5 year old son and you believe in treat other how they treat you, would you go rape and murder his 5 year old son? I'm just going to assume you wouldn't. Why? Because raping young boys has no glory behind it in today's society. If that style of revenge was programmed into the minds of the young as being cool then you'd see a lot more people agreeing with something so sick. But the righteous will always oppose it.
no i would not rape his son, i'd just kill him... his son doesnt deserve to be killed, just him... and yes, right/wrong is opinion, it goes along with other beliefs... i learnt that a few days ago
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
well like if i meet someone for the first time, im not gonna be arrogant or anything like that... im nice and respectful and caring until a) they start to treat me like shit or b) treat themselves like shit... i dont walk around with my nose high up in the air, i just treat people the way they treat others, let them see what its like
I may teach people a lesson for their own sake on little things. But if someone is just being an asshole I just brush it off. It doesn't really bother me.
Also, treat others as they treat you can be very dangerous in weak minds. If someone tries to kill you or your family does that mean you should try and kill him and his family? To a logical human the answer is no, but some may not be so logical.
well logic in this sense is also opinion, not fact... to me it would be logical to kill him, and illogical not to... it works both ways... its funny how religion has hardly anything to do with fact, its 99% opinion if not more
Now it's one thing to kill a man in the heat of the moment. But to intentionally go out in cold blood and murder someone is wrong and illegal for a reason. It is very logical to assume that if you aren't in direct life threatening danger you shouldn't kill. And even if he had killed your family, it is also very logical to know that killing the murderer will not bring them back.
like i said, its all opinion... i believe its ok, i believe its logical... and killing them will make me happier knowing that ive avenged their deaths... i just realized now how many rappers claim to be christians when theyre pretty much satanists :rubeyes:
It's not an opinion to think it's wrong or not. It's just wrong. You're just more comfortable with revenge murder because of the way it's romanticized in society. If someone raped in murdered your 5 year old son and you believe in treat other how they treat you, would you go rape and murder his 5 year old son? I'm just going to assume you wouldn't. Why? Because raping young boys has no glory behind it in today's society. If that style of revenge was programmed into the minds of the young as being cool then you'd see a lot more people agreeing with something so sick. But the righteous will always oppose it.
no i would not rape his son, i'd just kill him... his son doesnt deserve to be killed, just him... and yes, right/wrong is opinion, it goes along with other beliefs... i learnt that a few days ago
Something being right and something appeasing your own emotions don't go hand in hand. You said in the first post that you should treat others as they treat you. The man rapes your son, you rape his, or atleast rape him. Of course raping or killing him solves nothing. Any man that rapes young children has a mental illness that needs to be studied. I'd have the man examined and put through immense therapy and testing. If we find nothing then for the sake of humanity as a whole I'd have him disected in order to see if a cure can be found and millions of children over the course of the coming centuries would be saved, as well as all those unfortunate enough to have the disease. In my solution we come one step forward in stopping something so vile forever. In your solution you just feel better about yourself and get to stick your chest out and call yourself a man.
What about accidents, where does your Satanism stand on someone thar accidentally hits your son with a car and kills him? Would you want that man dead too?
-
What about accidents, where does your Satanism stand on someone thar accidentally hits your son with a car and kills him? Would you want that man dead too?
If it was completely an accident, no, it was either my son's fault or nobody was at fault, so there's really nothing I can do there. It's kinda like law. If you have the "criminal intent" you can be held responsable.
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
well like if i meet someone for the first time, im not gonna be arrogant or anything like that... im nice and respectful and caring until a) they start to treat me like shit or b) treat themselves like shit... i dont walk around with my nose high up in the air, i just treat people the way they treat others, let them see what its like
I may teach people a lesson for their own sake on little things. But if someone is just being an asshole I just brush it off. It doesn't really bother me.
Also, treat others as they treat you can be very dangerous in weak minds. If someone tries to kill you or your family does that mean you should try and kill him and his family? To a logical human the answer is no, but some may not be so logical.
well logic in this sense is also opinion, not fact... to me it would be logical to kill him, and illogical not to... it works both ways... its funny how religion has hardly anything to do with fact, its 99% opinion if not more
Now it's one thing to kill a man in the heat of the moment. But to intentionally go out in cold blood and murder someone is wrong and illegal for a reason. It is very logical to assume that if you aren't in direct life threatening danger you shouldn't kill. And even if he had killed your family, it is also very logical to know that killing the murderer will not bring them back.
like i said, its all opinion... i believe its ok, i believe its logical... and killing them will make me happier knowing that ive avenged their deaths... i just realized now how many rappers claim to be christians when theyre pretty much satanists :rubeyes:
It's not an opinion to think it's wrong or not. It's just wrong. You're just more comfortable with revenge murder because of the way it's romanticized in society. If someone raped in murdered your 5 year old son and you believe in treat other how they treat you, would you go rape and murder his 5 year old son? I'm just going to assume you wouldn't. Why? Because raping young boys has no glory behind it in today's society. If that style of revenge was programmed into the minds of the young as being cool then you'd see a lot more people agreeing with something so sick. But the righteous will always oppose it.
no i would not rape his son, i'd just kill him... his son doesnt deserve to be killed, just him... and yes, right/wrong is opinion, it goes along with other beliefs... i learnt that a few days ago
Something being right and something appeasing your own emotions don't go hand in hand. You said in the first post that you should treat others as they treat you. The man rapes your son, you rape his, or atleast rape him. Of course raping or killing him solves nothing. Any man that rapes young children has a mental illness that needs to be studied. I'd have the man examined and put through immense therapy and testing. If we find nothing then for the sake of humanity as a whole I'd have him disected in order to see if a cure can be found and millions of children over the course of the coming centuries would be saved, as well as all those unfortunate enough to have the disease. In my solution we come one step forward in stopping something so vile forever. In your solution you just feel better about yourself and get to stick your chest out and call yourself a man.
What about accidents, where does your Satanism stand on someone thar accidentally hits your son with a car and kills him? Would you want that man dead too?
Have you ever been related to someone who was brutally raped and murdered? Your idealistic picture sounds beautiful but it's not realistic.
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
well like if i meet someone for the first time, im not gonna be arrogant or anything like that... im nice and respectful and caring until a) they start to treat me like shit or b) treat themselves like shit... i dont walk around with my nose high up in the air, i just treat people the way they treat others, let them see what its like
I may teach people a lesson for their own sake on little things. But if someone is just being an asshole I just brush it off. It doesn't really bother me.
Also, treat others as they treat you can be very dangerous in weak minds. If someone tries to kill you or your family does that mean you should try and kill him and his family? To a logical human the answer is no, but some may not be so logical.
well logic in this sense is also opinion, not fact... to me it would be logical to kill him, and illogical not to... it works both ways... its funny how religion has hardly anything to do with fact, its 99% opinion if not more
Now it's one thing to kill a man in the heat of the moment. But to intentionally go out in cold blood and murder someone is wrong and illegal for a reason. It is very logical to assume that if you aren't in direct life threatening danger you shouldn't kill. And even if he had killed your family, it is also very logical to know that killing the murderer will not bring them back.
like i said, its all opinion... i believe its ok, i believe its logical... and killing them will make me happier knowing that ive avenged their deaths... i just realized now how many rappers claim to be christians when theyre pretty much satanists :rubeyes:
It's not an opinion to think it's wrong or not. It's just wrong. You're just more comfortable with revenge murder because of the way it's romanticized in society. If someone raped in murdered your 5 year old son and you believe in treat other how they treat you, would you go rape and murder his 5 year old son? I'm just going to assume you wouldn't. Why? Because raping young boys has no glory behind it in today's society. If that style of revenge was programmed into the minds of the young as being cool then you'd see a lot more people agreeing with something so sick. But the righteous will always oppose it.
no i would not rape his son, i'd just kill him... his son doesnt deserve to be killed, just him... and yes, right/wrong is opinion, it goes along with other beliefs... i learnt that a few days ago
Something being right and something appeasing your own emotions don't go hand in hand. You said in the first post that you should treat others as they treat you. The man rapes your son, you rape his, or atleast rape him. Of course raping or killing him solves nothing. Any man that rapes young children has a mental illness that needs to be studied. I'd have the man examined and put through immense therapy and testing. If we find nothing then for the sake of humanity as a whole I'd have him disected in order to see if a cure can be found and millions of children over the course of the coming centuries would be saved, as well as all those unfortunate enough to have the disease. In my solution we come one step forward in stopping something so vile forever. In your solution you just feel better about yourself and get to stick your chest out and call yourself a man.
What about accidents, where does your Satanism stand on someone thar accidentally hits your son with a car and kills him? Would you want that man dead too?
Have you ever been related to someone who was brutally raped and murdered? Your idealistic picture sounds beautiful but it's not realistic.
That's it right there and you said it; idealistic: meaning the right thing. We are talking about right and wrong. I don't know what I would do in my time of grief or anger. I'm not saying I'm certain I wouldn't kill the man or be glad he was killed. Maybe I would, but I'd be wrong just the same even if I thought I was right. Thinking you are right and being right are two different things. And when you look at the situation objectively you can see that.
-
That's it right there and you said it; idealistic: meaning the right thing. We are talking about right and wrong. I don't know what I would do in my time of grief or anger. I'm not saying I'm certain I wouldn't kill the man or be glad he was killed. Maybe I would, but I'd be wrong just the same even if I thought I was right. Thinking you are right and being right are two different things. And when you look at the situation objectively you can see that.
Yes, but like I said, there is no proven right and wrong... look at it this way...
Where does right/wrong come from? God. Well, not everyone believes in God. So where does it come from according to me? A God that doesn't exist, meaning it didn't come from anywhere, because there is no God and no right/wrong. Yes, you believe that there is a right and wrong, and you believe that killing someone is wrong. Then you should say "i BELIEVE it is wrong", not "is IS wrong"... there is a difference between a belief in something and stating it as a proven fact. Right/Wrong has not been proven to exist, so until then, it is only belief.
-
basically satanist teaching just means "survival of the fittest" and "treat others as they treat you", based on an atheistic point of view... if i remember correctly, "Satanism" was the chosen wording because it is the exact opposite of christianity, not because of Satan the god
See I just can't agree with that. Whether I was religious or not with regards to a creator and his return to earth, I would always feel it is the right thing to help people in need and aid them in survival whether they are fit or not, and I will always treat other as I want to be treated (or at least try my best to) and not worry about how I am treated by others.
It's like my philosophy on respect. I show respect. I don't worry about getting it because I can't control what others do. And I'd never take it because you never really have it. I just worry about showing respect and let the rest work itself out. So far it's worked just fine.
well like if i meet someone for the first time, im not gonna be arrogant or anything like that... im nice and respectful and caring until a) they start to treat me like shit or b) treat themselves like shit... i dont walk around with my nose high up in the air, i just treat people the way they treat others, let them see what its like
I may teach people a lesson for their own sake on little things. But if someone is just being an asshole I just brush it off. It doesn't really bother me.
Also, treat others as they treat you can be very dangerous in weak minds. If someone tries to kill you or your family does that mean you should try and kill him and his family? To a logical human the answer is no, but some may not be so logical.
well logic in this sense is also opinion, not fact... to me it would be logical to kill him, and illogical not to... it works both ways... its funny how religion has hardly anything to do with fact, its 99% opinion if not more
Now it's one thing to kill a man in the heat of the moment. But to intentionally go out in cold blood and murder someone is wrong and illegal for a reason. It is very logical to assume that if you aren't in direct life threatening danger you shouldn't kill. And even if he had killed your family, it is also very logical to know that killing the murderer will not bring them back.
like i said, its all opinion... i believe its ok, i believe its logical... and killing them will make me happier knowing that ive avenged their deaths... i just realized now how many rappers claim to be christians when theyre pretty much satanists :rubeyes:
It's not an opinion to think it's wrong or not. It's just wrong. You're just more comfortable with revenge murder because of the way it's romanticized in society. If someone raped in murdered your 5 year old son and you believe in treat other how they treat you, would you go rape and murder his 5 year old son? I'm just going to assume you wouldn't. Why? Because raping young boys has no glory behind it in today's society. If that style of revenge was programmed into the minds of the young as being cool then you'd see a lot more people agreeing with something so sick. But the righteous will always oppose it.
no i would not rape his son, i'd just kill him... his son doesnt deserve to be killed, just him... and yes, right/wrong is opinion, it goes along with other beliefs... i learnt that a few days ago
Something being right and something appeasing your own emotions don't go hand in hand. You said in the first post that you should treat others as they treat you. The man rapes your son, you rape his, or atleast rape him. Of course raping or killing him solves nothing. Any man that rapes young children has a mental illness that needs to be studied. I'd have the man examined and put through immense therapy and testing. If we find nothing then for the sake of humanity as a whole I'd have him disected in order to see if a cure can be found and millions of children over the course of the coming centuries would be saved, as well as all those unfortunate enough to have the disease. In my solution we come one step forward in stopping something so vile forever. In your solution you just feel better about yourself and get to stick your chest out and call yourself a man.
What about accidents, where does your Satanism stand on someone thar accidentally hits your son with a car and kills him? Would you want that man dead too?
Have you ever been related to someone who was brutally raped and murdered? Your idealistic picture sounds beautiful but it's not realistic.
That's it right there and you said it; idealistic: meaning the right thing. We are talking about right and wrong. I don't know what I would do in my time of grief or anger. I'm not saying I'm certain I wouldn't kill the man or be glad he was killed. Maybe I would, but I'd be wrong just the same even if I thought I was right. Thinking you are right and being right are two different things. And when you look at the situation objectively you can see that.
Yes, it is idealistic. Like most things categorized as idealistic, it sounds good in a political forum but loses it's flare when put into practice. And 9 times outta 10 the people imposing those ideoligies haven't been affected on a personal level, yet for some reason think they are qualified to make the rules for everybody else.
-
whatever floats your boat, more power to you. 8)