West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on September 14, 2005, 08:59:59 PM
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As most of you all know, I go to school in Florida, and I think I have realized somethin.....it may be time for the west coast to completely revamp and change their style to where it doesn't even sound like it's that much influenced by the G-Funk era. I have talked to many people outside the west, and one of the reasons (along with 200) that many of them don't like west coast music that much is because they feel our overall sound is burnt out, and that aside from Dre, nobody has really attempted to re-define the sound of what is considered to be west coast music. So as much as we love G-Funk, modernized G-Funk like what Quik and Battlecat do, I feel that it may be necessary for us to grow into a new style to set us apart from the rest. This is definitely not an overnight process, and will not come easy, but I feel that it is necessary.
Think about it like this....since the early 90s, The south and east coast have changed their overall sound of music many various times, but the west hasn't really done that aside from Dre. With the south, Early Outkast sounds a lot diff from what No Limit and Cash Money started doin, which sounds a lot diff from what Lil Jon does, and there are many styles that have come and gone for them. But with The West, our sound has remained the same, and even though we still love it, we can't expect the world to love it as much, especially since they don't get to hear it as much as we do. I feel that this next generation of producers need to push the envelope and re-define what people consider to be west coast music. I feel that other than Dre, the only one that's really done that is Rick Rock.
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yep. and the west coast fans need to step it up. the west coast is gonna be stuck in a timewarp until our sound changes & we start having more commercial artist
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it was revolutionized back in 2000-2001...Battlecat brought sumthin different during that time (Pleezbaleevit!)
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i dont think we need to change that much we just need our shit to sound like it wasnt made at some dude's house. We need our shit to sound more professional. Anways i feel hypy type of music is the next thing to blow and it could be the new sound to define the west.
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Yeah it does. The shit is getting stale. That's why all the successful west coast acts reach out to other producers.
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I think its also because of the Fans because everytime someone brings sumthin different they r the first to hate
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I think it should be revolutionized soon too...eventually tha sound will have to change because I'm sure no one wants to hear 'G-Funk' or Battlecat-style beats forever...
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^^^damn whos that in your sig homie
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iv been talkin 2 friends too.. and i was playin some music (cant remember if it was Crooked I or Sly Boogy) and my friend said that all the west coast people sound the same to him and thats why he doesnt really listen 2 it like other things
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I think its also because of the Fans because everytime someone brings sumthin different they r the first to hate
hell yeah!
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I dont really think we need to change our whole style but I think what really hurts west-coast artists is that they think they gotta stay "too" gangsta and wont come together as a west-coast community and put aside all the gang bangin' and just make music. There is only 1 thing I agree wit Suge on. He said the reason why Death Row was so sucessful is it was the only west-coast label that u seen bloods and crips workin' together as a team to drop some heat. Thats the truth. And until cats from the west can give up they stripes long enough to come together and make music then the west will still be the underdog.
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iv been talkin 2 friends too.. and i was playin some music (cant remember if it was Crooked I or Sly Boogy) and my friend said that all the west coast people sound the same to him and thats why he doesnt really listen 2 it like other things
I could say the same for east coast rap too.
I would say WC rap has changed more than any other style, i dont think "G thang" sounds anything like "California" by Sly Boogie(for example)
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Yeah, I definitely think we need some kind of new sound. Actually, the beat from MLK (213) sounded pretty tight! It wasn't G-Funk but it's still West Coast.
And that song from The Relativez latest album with Young Hootie & Mitchy Slick "Soo Woop Gangsta" had a nice sound too...it's West Coast but on a different vibe.
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I would say that DJ Quiks new album brought a new sound again, it's not as groundbreaking as Dre's 2001 cause that had a better chance to develop to a bigger audience. But it sounds nothing like the old G-Funk that we know. That dude switched it up again with his cold ass music, but he still kept the Quik signature.
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thos Roger Troutman Hand Claps are so fuckin played out. enough of them already.
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it was revolutionized back in 2000-2001...Battlecat brought sumthin different during that time (Pleezbaleevit!)
LOL that was 4-5 years ago, that's a long time in music. Hip Hop overall sounds a whole lot different from how it did back then.
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iv been talkin 2 friends too.. and i was playin some music (cant remember if it was Crooked I or Sly Boogy) and my friend said that all the west coast people sound the same to him and thats why he doesnt really listen 2 it like other things
Yeah, that's how a LOT of people outside the West feel. Even though I don't always agree, and even though they do like some of the shit I play em, I can see why they think some of it sounds the same and why they don't really want to hear it like we do. To me, a lot of East Coast shit does sound the same too, but they have a few diff styles of production on the East, and the only reason they are still big in the scene is because they will always be in because they started it and they can get away with that. There's a certain portion of East Coast music that only appeals to East Coast fans, and in most cases, it doesn't sell that good. Aside from 50 and Jay, there aren't many East Coast rappers that really sell a lot.
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I would say that DJ Quiks new album brought a new sound again, it's not as groundbreaking as Dre's 2001 cause that had a better chance to develop to a bigger audience. But it sounds nothing like the old G-Funk that we know. That dude switched it up again with his cold ass music, but he still kept the Quik signature.
yeah...All of DJ Quiks album are innovative. Quik always come up with some new fresh sound but still keeps it Westcoast.
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Well i feel ya man westcoast cats are very similar when u listen to em but hmm to be frank i dont know which way they could go.Maybe re-introduce scratchs because for sum reason it disappeared to the benefit of more''melodious '& chorus'' stuffs which is good in a way but gangsta funk/rap lost a lil bit of its taste.
I seen on tv dat dj Qbert have invented a new scratch table which is a table mixer&scratch gathered ...that is interesting i believe
beside these technical details,We need sumeone that invente a new kind like Dre,Gdub or Alt did a mixture of sounds ...Easy to say :-\
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I agree that the West Coast sound got to be a little bit revolutionized. But there's something I would like to say, South or East Coast sounds (or wherever you are, at long that it's not on the West Coast) create new stuff (I agree) but do someone just notice how long it takes for a song to be forgotten. The point is most of the East Coast classiks are mid 90's to early 2000's (same for the West Coast). So, they are maybe creating something, but that something if far from classik materials. They sound new, but they quickly forgotten and then there replaced by another "new sound" who will live shortly. Of course there's exeptions (Mos Def, Talib, Kanye, Outkast, etc (IMO)), but the West Coast have exeptions to (Dre, Snoop (yes, he create new sound), Quik, Kokane, etc (IMO)) so I think it's pretty much te same.
There will always be artists who like their own style so much, so they ain't never gonna change (Mc Eiht with that west coast gangsta shit, Ja Rule with all those RnB collabo, Daz with that dontgiveafuckaboutnothing attitude, battlecat with that clap, Eminem who seems to drop the same beat every time he produce a song, etc (IMO)). But those artists are as much in the West then in the East.
I prefer a great track that I could listen in 10 years and still love, rather then a track that I love now and hate in 2 weeks. Even if the West Coast sounds alike sometimes, I think it's because people just don't listen carefully. Cause those song are well produced most of the time.
(sorry for the bad english)
Now c'mon haters, hates on my post.
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iv been talkin 2 friends too.. and i was playin some music (cant remember if it was Crooked I or Sly Boogy) and my friend said that all the west coast people sound the same to him and thats why he doesnt really listen 2 it like other things
I could say the same for east coast rap too.
I would say WC rap has changed more than any other style, i dont think "G thang" sounds anything like "California" by Sly Boogie(for example)
I agree. We could get a new sound, but I don't think that is really the reason why wc rap hasn't been in the spotlight. I believe it has alot more to do with marketing and promotion. If the mtv and bet groupies could bump all the garbage coming from the east coast and the south, then with the right label I think wc rap could most definitely comeback in the spotlight. Also I believe quik's trauma brought a new sound once again like he always does, except this time he kept the west coast flavor which is mad tight.
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maybe not revolutionized, but definetly updated a bit. It seems like some more west coast artists are reaching out to more east coast producers so thats not going to help either.
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People need to start seeing the difference between revolution and evolution. The westcoast sound has always had some sort of evolution going on, but it's been obvious for years that this shit is mad played out. A revolution is well needed... Hit the world with an entire new sound, have people amazed and bring the west REALLY back to what it once was.
Like Aaliyah once said, we need a revolution. ;)
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It seems a lot of people judge good music by how much it sells, the west aint selling so there cant be no good artists. i think the west has some of the most original and innovative artists and beats there is. I dont think there is any need for drastic change.
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^ yea exactly.
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I think the bay is revolutionizing the sound with Rick Rock producing "Hyphy" tracks, westcoast version of crunk, everybody can get down to that, especially in the clubs
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shit won't change till Detox drops
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It seems a lot of people judge good music by how much it sells, the west aint selling so there cant be no good artists. i think the west has some of the most original and innovative artists and beats there is. I dont think there is any need for drastic change.
I agree.
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I think the bay is revolutionizing the sound with Rick Rock producing "Hyphy" tracks, westcoast version of crunk, everybody can get down to that, especially in the clubs
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I think the bay is revolutionizing the sound with Rick Rock producing "Hyphy" tracks, westcoast version of crunk, everybody can get down to that, especially in the clubs
How can something that's not totally refreshing be a revolution to music?
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out of topic, but 'under tha influence' u didn't put down the name of that woman in your sig. >:( ;D
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shit won't change till Detox drops
We can't keep looking for dre to change it, where's the new talent at? I'm not talking about the rappers aftermath is signing since theyre just the same old stuff with new faces. There's no 18 year old producer in the west making noise with his own artists
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I think the bay is revolutionizing the sound with Rick Rock producing "Hyphy" tracks, westcoast version of crunk, everybody can get down to that, especially in the clubs
How can something that's not totally refreshing be a revolution to music?
Well I guess u could say Rick Rock is takin the right direction. It isn't anyting completely refreshing but it does sound diff from everyting else. It doesn't really sound like crunk...the atmosphere it encourages is definitely influened by crunk, but the music doesn't sound much like it.
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shit won't change till Detox drops
Truer words have never been spoken.
there are 5 things the west needs to do:
1. Producers need to study what made the West bang back in the early days, and incorporate that into they style.
2. Stop biting Dr. Dre, Dre is the best, but niggas got to learn from him with out biting his style.
3. Put out young niggas, hip hop is Youth music, STOP putting out records by the OG homie from the set.
4. Be a little more flashy without being phony, we live in a MTV music industry, Videos are as important as radio spins.
5. This West Coast thang is soooo magnetic that every one else is attracted to it. The West are the Original Ballers, Original Pimps so we need to represent it in a most Glorious Way
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I think the bay is revolutionizing the sound with Rick Rock producing "Hyphy" tracks, westcoast version of crunk, everybody can get down to that, especially in the clubs
DAMMIT MAN!!!!!!!! Hyphy is NOT another version of crunk. Its the same type of enrgy but thats where it stops. Its a completely different sound and it embodies a completely different culture and mindset than crunk. Hyphy sounds NOTHING like crunk. FUCK, stop saying the "west coast version of crunk." that aint what it is. And on that note, Droop E (E 40's 17 year old son) is contibuting a lot to the direction of the Hyphy sound. Rick Rock is the king of it but there are others guiding its evolution too. If y ou aint heard it, go get that E 40 presents - Bay Bridges, the whole thing is produced by Droop E. Plus if yall dont know by now, TURF TALK is the real rookie of the year, not Ya Boy. Turf Talk and the Federation is the kings of Hyphy in terms of rappers. Oh yeah, and That Kinsmoke and Federation - Do Da On One is the fuckin jam right now!
The Bay stay changin the sound of rap and never enjoy in the success when it blows up (for instance crunk shit is heavily derived from old bay shit). Oh well thats just the way it goes I guess.
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I would say that DJ Quiks new album brought a new sound again
I cant cosign that at all. I love the record and everything, but lets not give him more credit than he deserves. The sound on Trauma overall is just basically funk/disco shit. Its very well done for a rap record, especially when you consider how bland and stale rap has been for about the last 5 years. Great record, yes, revolutionary? Not even a little bit.
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interesting thread.
they never been lyrically as good as the eastcoast rappers..but still they have sold more records n gotten more attention at on time..cuz back then the lyrics was really entertaining like nothing else imo..
they need to make better music + have the media behind them + dope production
right now they aint doin/havin none of em..
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(for instance crunk shit is heavily derived from old bay shit).
Hell Yeah! Too Short like a motherfucka!
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yeah u got a point, but fuck what other people outside the West think 8)
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interesting thread.
they never been lyrically as good as the eastcoast rappers..
Bullshit.
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^^^ co-sign..... what kinda bold statement is that u asshole ???
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Man, this shit is so simple. where are all the hip hop media outlets located? New York, (even though we are in Cali and have alotta resources, no one has stepped to the plate)
do we really have a support system out here? No
We fight amongst each other, beef over the dumbest shit in the world, and are haters!
this is kinda like a rhetorical question, there are so many problems, we really need a union that im tryna put into effect and shit really is bad when you got fans pulling soundscan numbers judging shit on who sold what. if i wanted it to look like i sold 20, 25,000 copies this week, there are ways you can "buy numbers" very easy, and the sad part about it people buy into the hype of shit like that, and it works! i love music, but the shit is so pathetic now, it has very little to do with music, everything is based on marketing & promotion! one thing i give the southern artist props on, is even when they are beefing, they still work together.
when they are at these functions,they mobbin together, we aint got no solidarity, you got this nigga speakin on this nigga, and vice versa, power 106 is one of the better stations believe it or not, but we really need to step shit up as far as supporting our backyard on radio. we need more muphucas tryna start up magazines, studyin entertainment law, studyin marketing, more journalist that grew up on this shit. Its crazy. the westcoast rep for the source is from new york! One thing we need to do is hols "our" westcoast pioneers in higher regard. New York aint go let you forget a muphuca! they stay passin down history, alotta muphucas dont know that the whole sound for the south was invented by a muphuca from riverside, cali, Mr. Mixx from the 2-live crew. Bobcat, DJ Pooh gave LL his first massive hits..westcoast cats settin trends for everybody else and dont nobody, including us even acknowledge it. Sad Shit!
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interesting thread.
they never been lyrically as good as the eastcoast rappers..
Bullshit.
^^^ co-sign..... what kinda bold statement is that u asshole ???
hey kid sounds like youre takin my opinions about westcoast rappers as a personal diss..you should realize how stupid that is..
imo there are no rappers on the westcoast that are as good lyrically as cannibus, big pun, big l, notorious big, nas etc. still i always liked westcoast music more simply cause its been more entertaining and more musical.
sorry for not focusin on what the thread really is about..
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imo there are no rappers on the westcoast that are as good lyrically as cannibus, big pun, big l, notorious big, nas etc.
Off top canibus is can. Big Pun and big L are overrated as fuck, biggie only has one good record and San Quinn is seein nas mane. now that we got that cleared up, I love east coast shit so It aint about that wit me but when people say dumb ass shit like "the west coast aint shit compared to ny" that shit is just retarded. You aint gotta love it but it sayin ny shit is superior when its obvious you aint even heard 10% of what the west has to offer is bullshit. We been hearin a lot of east coasters sayin the west aint shit since the 80s and thats faulty as fuck. NY = the original haters. The way I see it, every since the west came in the game the east NEEDS us. Sometimes it seems like rap wouldnt have no type of creative direction at all if it wasnt for us. You entitled to your opinion and all that shit and thats cool east coast shit is more your taste, but that dont mean shit is superior. Funk is my favorite music but I would never say that it takes more talent to play funk than it does to play jazz. yadadifeelme?
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Man, this shit is so simple. where are all the hip hop media outlets located? New York, (even though we are in Cali and have alotta resources, no one has stepped to the plate)
do we really have a support system out here? No
We fight amongst each other, beef over the dumbest shit in the world, and are haters!
this is kinda like a rhetorical question, there are so many problems, we really need a union that im tryna put into effect and shit really is bad when you got fans pulling soundscan numbers judging shit on who sold what. if i wanted it to look like i sold 20, 25,000 copies this week, there are ways you can "buy numbers" very easy, and the sad part about it people buy into the hype of shit like that, and it works! i love music, but the shit is so pathetic now, it has very little to do with music, everything is based on marketing & promotion! one thing i give the southern artist props on, is even when they are beefing, they still work together.
when they are at these functions,they mobbin together, we aint got no solidarity, you got this nigga speakin on this nigga, and vice versa, power 106 is one of the better stations believe it or not, but we really need to step shit up as far as supporting our backyard on radio. we need more muphucas tryna start up magazines, studyin entertainment law, studyin marketing, more journalist that grew up on this shit. Its crazy. the westcoast rep for the source is from new york! One thing we need to do is hols "our" westcoast pioneers in higher regard. New York aint go let you forget a muphuca! they stay passin down history, alotta muphucas dont know that the whole sound for the south was invented by a muphuca from riverside, cali, Mr. Mixx from the 2-live crew. Bobcat, DJ Pooh gave LL his first massive hits..westcoast cats settin trends for everybody else and dont nobody, including us even acknowledge it. Sad Shit!
treal spill cuzzin. I heard 40 was gonna buy KMEL back in like 97. Imagine if we started ownin our own radio stations and had a legitemate outlet for our artists to be heard. With as many people as we have in the bay and southern cali there aint no reason why we shouldnt be able to go platinum in cali alone. But what I dont get was about 10-15 years ago when you NEVER heard rap on the radio/mtv, etc how was the west movin such large units? What happened to word of mouth? I heard a tight ass line in a redman song yesterday that speaks on it a little bit, "Fuck the radio, thats not the blueprint/ as long as the street dj is yellin NEW SHIT!!"
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Turf Hitta - "You entitled to your opinion and all that shit and thats cool east coast shit is more your taste, but that dont mean shit is superior"
Soulful - imo there are no rappers on the westcoast that are as good lyrically as cannibus, big pun, big l, notorious big, nas etc. still i always liked westcoast music more simply cause its been more entertaining and more musical.
your reading skills aint to good homie..
Turf Hitta - I love east coast shit so It aint about that wit me but when people say dumb ass shit like "the west coast aint shit compared to ny" that shit is just retarded. You aint gotta love it but it sayin ny shit is superior when its obvious you aint even heard 10% of what the west has to offer is bullshit.//
^^yea that is bullshit i agree..but i didnt say none of the above..i simply said that they make different music, eastcoast more lyrical, westcoast more entertaining n more musical..i would never say none of that shit above cause i dont feel that way..learn how to read
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To be real, rap is rap, its some muphucas that are more vivid than others, and not to get off the subject as far as lyricism, simple sells. these kids aint tryna hear no complex metaphoric expressions, the audience dictates what they wanna hear.and Rass Kass will serve any of them niggas soulful LOL good points though
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@ soulful
Off top, miss me with that message board disrespect shit.
I know you said you are more entertained by west coast shit, but you basically said west coast rappers aint got lyrics and east coast rappers are superior, which is faulty information. Regardless of what you like to listen to better you still said west rappers aint fuckin wit east lyrics. thats what i was addressing.
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turf hitta - how the fuck u think im gonna react when im expressin myself n u call my post bullshit? c'mon thats what i call disrespect..dont comment on my shit if u dont got anything to say except "bullshit"..why say that when u only makin your self look like a idiot
i never dissed anybody on a forum..thats a big waste of time
i agree with what steele sayin: simple sells(n rass is tha shit no doubt) 8)
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turf hitta - how the fuck u think im gonna react when im expressin myself n u call my post bullshit? c'mon thats what i call disrespect
if its bullshit im a call it what it is mane. enough of this back n forth shit.
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let it go..dont ruin my mans thread that was real interestin before u came in..
EDIT: Bishop Lamont has been on some of the best trackz ive heard this year..hopefully him n others will put the west on tha map again
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If you think west isnt lyrical you havnt heard any westcoast underground hiphop. Havnt been to project blowed or things simular to that..
For me if the west needs to change i dont think it needs to change to bitting the south style like ny does these days.
NY Used to have there own sound in the 80s and early mid 90s
Westcoast Had there own sound in late 80s early mid 90s gfunk etc.
Back then the south was either bitting the west style or bitting ny
Now NY and the south sound the freakin same outside of the underground hiphop on the eastcoast jedi mind tricks, necro etc.
Also to me bay area and south sound the same to me these days. i cant stand either one of them these days.. besides maybe 10 artists that been in the game for a long time. but i respect it because they are sticking to being original. even if its not my thing.
Because the west or South Cali doesnt bite that sound of the south coast they wont grow? There is a bunch of new name people from cali that make mixtapes trying to use the gangsta rap flow over them shitty south beats but it just dont match for me. If they gonna grow its gonna have to be something that matches what they are doing.
I think that NY should stick to evolving there own style or making something new quit trying to be like the south.
I think that Cali Needs to make something new but not bite the south or NY.
South samething but they doing it and ny and others are biting that now.
I respect every style but each coast needs to be original and stick to it.
I dont understand how someone can say the westcoast sound is played out. atleast it aint like every other coast trying to have that damn crunk South sound.. to me that shit is played out. the south started doing there own thing and stoped sounded west or Eastcoast. but we dont need to be doing what they are doing either. we had our own thing and ny too. South has there sound too. why sound like the south now? We Need to stick to being unique if we gonna grow
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FunkTechNician....so with that...do you feel the West needs a "new" sound, or that they should stick to what they used to do? I'm a bit confused.
I feel that some NY shit sounds similar to down south music, but generally, they sound a whole lot different. Within the south, there are actually many different styles of beats and different vibes that they are doin right now, and none of this sounds anything like what they did in the 90s. Some of it is 80s influenced 808, but even with the 808, the style they have evolved into is something that has never really been done in many cases. What I was sayin is that most people still see the whole "west coast sound" as being a direct product of what G-Funk was, and that many people do feel that sound is played out....not because the west doesn't bite the sound of the south. As much as I love that true west coast sound, I accept the fact that it doesn't have much appeal to people outside of the west. With the south, I can name tracks that were all big within the last year, but don't sound too similar to each other....."Play/Whisper", "ASAP", "Some cut", "1-2 Step", Go crazy", "Stay fly", "Earthquake", "Go DJ", "No problems", "Still Tippin", "I ain't heard of that", and I can keep going and going and going. These are all tracks that sound a lot different from each other, however they are all Down South. You have to remember that the west is only a few major sections, mainly within one state, that are really represented...with the south, it is the biggest region and has the most major cities and states, so they have a much broaded spectrum of artists and styles of music.
There have not been many west coast songs that have been big since 2001, and when there are songs, they usually are produced by producers outside of the west. I can't say we are to blame for that...but you can raise the question that if these songs were produced by producers from the west like Quik, Battlecat, Fred Wreck, would they have been as big? In many cases, those producers drop beats that the whole nation could fuck with...but personally, I don't see too many beats that would really hit everybody like "Drop it like it's hot" did. The current west coast sound is not club compatible aside from Rick Rock and Dre, and that is something that definitely needs to be developed in order to help get us into the mainstream.
I agree that there are many sub arguments that deal with this topic...such as "if west coast artists got promoted as much as everybody in other regions, our sound would still be considered modern" and "it doesn't matter if the rest of the nation doesn't feel our music as long as we do" and "the reason the west is not in the game is because nobody fucks with each other", but then it depends what your concern may be about the west coast and the current state of it. I have been in Florida for college since 2002, meaning I'm out here 70% of the time and in LA the other 30, so I am around people from all over the nation and I have heard how many of them feel about west coast rap, so I'm not just going off of assumptions.
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you hit the nail right on the head homie, we really not making music to compete, nobody out here really makes music for the club, and when some one out here does, you get the barrage of foolsr saying its "not gangster" enough, so you are right, there are just a grip of problems when i did the thicky thick joint with uncle luke, i got some flack from people( mailnly LA artist) about not keepin it gangster, but when you went in white lotus, and other spots they was knockin that shit! so we also need to expand our minds more. BTW Florida is off the fuckin chain! what part of florida are you in?
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West does have lyrical guys, Rasco, Planet Asia, Ras Kass, Kurupt was :grumpy:, 2Pac(what his lyrical content touched upon)
Ice Cube(Same as Pac) just to name a few.
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fuck what other people outside the West think 8)
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you hit the nail right on the head homie, we really not making music to compete, nobody out here really makes music for the club, and when some one out here does, you get the barrage of foolsr saying its "not gangster" enough, so you are right, there are just a grip of problems when i did the thicky thick joint with uncle luke, i got some flack from people( mailnly LA artist) about not keepin it gangster, but when you went in white lotus, and other spots they was knockin that shit! so we also need to expand our minds more. BTW Florida is off the fuckin chain! what part of florida are you in?
Yeah...and to me, what's happenin with rap in general and especially with west coast rap, is the same thing that happened with Pop, Rock, Jazz, and R&B. For a cat who grew up in the 60s and 70s, their perception of what "real" Jazz, R&B, or Rock is, is a lot different from what somebody growin up in the 80s and 90s feels. With that, people who loved Coltrane and Miles Davis usually aren't gonna like too much Kenny G or standard generic modern day Jazz. With west coast rap, many older cats are stuck in the gangsta phase, and if it's not gangsta then they don't like it...on the East Coast, cats who grew up in the 80s couldn't stand most 90s rap and definitely can't stand modern day rap. But what the west needs to do is let it go, just like the east and south have done. We have to accept that in order to grow, we can't rely on the same formulas that we used back in the 90s, and if certain fans don't like whatever the west is doin that is current, then they just don't. It's hard as hell to appeal to some people, because they complain about new gangsta shit "just not soundin the same" but they complain about it if it ain't gangsta. But it's all about who the artist wants to appeal to...and me sorta being involved in the music business, sometimes you have to "sell out" a lil bit if you want to live off of music...otherwise, you can get a 9-5 and make the rap for your fanbase to enjoy, but then you can't get mad at the world for not likin what you do if it doesn't appeal. With Jazz, they have a style called Fusion, and it only appeals to a small segment of Jazz listeners who are usually musicians and are highly inclined musically. They realize that only a small segment will enjoy their music, so it doesn't bother them. But rappers get offended and want to blame the world when they should just realize they aren't doin what really appeals.
With that....I say artists such as Bishop Lamont, Sly Boogy, and a small few number of others are the TRUE future of what the west needs to evolve into. Hearin Bishop rip club tracks like "Do it" is what we need to take us to the next level, because we have become too complacent and static in our music. I want to challenge all upcoming producers to expand what they do, and try to focus their production in a direction that isn't typical to what's stereotypically west coast, or to what is the hottest, most modern soundin music you hear in the south and east. We came in by taking what was hot on the east and evolving it into our own distinct sound, and that might be what we need to do this time to get back in there.
Either all that.....or we can stay the only west coast rap fans there are. It all depends what your focus is.
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fuck what other people outside the West think 8)
As much as I hear that....I feel it's nothin but a defense mechanism for us to have that kind of attitude. 10 years ago, it wouldn't have been neccesary to say somethin like that because we ran shit. It's easy for us to say "fuck what everybody else thinks" but it's much harder to figure out why they think the way they do, and even harder to admit that we should care or at least listen to what they may have to say.
One thing that may separate me and many artists/producers from most fans on this site is the vision that we have for the west, whether it's returning to the spotlight or just getting respected in general. For some reason, fans who are not involved in the process of making music seem to love artists and styles of music a lot more when nobody else knows about it or likes it, but when it is exposed to everyone, they lose that love and feel as if they can't identify with them as much. This happens outside of rap too. It's evident because fans are very quick to point out "sell outs" when the artist may not even be selling out at all. So I definitely believe that one reason the fans on this website don't care if people outside the west respect or support west coast music is because they feel closer to it as it is now, and they may even feel closer to the artists because they don't seem too far from their reach.
With artists and producers, especially those who are young and upcoming, we have a much different mentality from many of y'all and most older established and even "washed up" artists/producers, because we realize that we could never make a living or "blow up" with the west coast being at the state it's in right now. Personally, it's not a major concern to me whether or not I get big in the industry, and it's not something I depend on because I am going to have a college degree within the next year or two. But I just want to see West Coast rap and music back on the spotlight and in rotation, regardless if I'm in there a lot, a little, or not at all. I realize that there are numerous problems right now, and the whole sound of the west coast is one of the main problems I see right now that many people may not agree with or realize.
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I don't care about fools that blow up, I want the good to blow up and be recognized for what they can do
but a sell-out is another thing, switching up style when unnessecary is awful in my opinion, being a lil more marketable can slide, but if you completely change and all of a sudden blow up by selling-out, I think that's different and kinda insulting to fans
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I don't care about fools that blow up, I want the good to blow up and be recognized for what they can do
but a sell-out is another thing, switching up style when unnessecary is awful in my opinion, being a lil more marketable can slide, but if you completely change and all of a sudden blow up by selling-out, I think that's different and kinda insulting to fans
I feel u...and I think it's actually possible to appeal and be marketable but still be dope. I don't see any immediate, overnight switch up being neccesary, but I do think it's time for us to progress and slowly but surely change or at least expand into different styles. And it's kinda funny to see what's defined as "sellin out" and "being marketable" in 2005....at one time, everybody who rapped was rappin positive and about party shit, and in the 90s, many rappers would attempt to be marketable by turnin gangsta, such as how Hammer did "Pumps in a bump". Nowadays, it's the opposite, and many people only did gangsta rap because that's what was hot at the time, so if they tried to change up to anything else then they'd be seen as sell outs. It's also bad when people who usually do negative music try to do a song that isn't as negative and may be about females or partyin or whatever, and they get insulted and branded as a sell out. But that's how the dynamics in hip hop are right now.
I still feel that the fact remains that not many west coast artists are gonna blow up from relyin on old formulas, and it's gonna take completely new blood to start doin somethin different to be accepted by the majority of west coast fans and regular mainstream fans.
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it's gonna take completely new blood to start doin somethin different to be accepted by the majority of west coast fans and regular mainstream fans.
Its plenty of artists out here doin new shit that has the potential to blow up. I really cant think of a new artist that has the old sound. Even most of the old artists dont have that sound anymore. I think people just got the idea that cali artists is all still on the same old shit just cause the last time they heard from us was back when shit sounded like that.
I think the biggest thing keepin cali from the forefront is most of the new artists wanna be independent. Turf Talk, Ya Boy, Crooked I, etc all indie. The Federation was on a major but i dont think they had ANY of the typical major label support. Sly boogy was on j records but I dont know what the hell happened to his record (did he get dropped?). It seems like even when the majors give us a chance they really aint givin us a chance. How come the Federation didnt have no videos on 106 n park? How come they wasnt on the radio outside of the Bay? Seems like the only time cali can get any national exposure is on BET Uncut and how many people is actually watchin that?
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Alright i just ment like the westcoast should bring a new sound without trying to sound like everyone else. i dont care if its popular or not. i love the gfunk sound but i wouldnt mind hearing something new but that doesnt mean they have to do what mtv bet wants and have that sound everyone else has now adays. What i love about the west is the funk influence in the beats. i think by trying to sound like everyone else they arnt gonna blow up if thats what wants to happen. they need to bring something completly new. also unity not enough of it. i dont think westcoast rappers have to spit about gangsta shit but when they do over south beats it dont sound right with there flow. so id like to hear a new flow that matchs some hard new style beats. and lyrically sly boogy is on another level. his freestyle's are insane. there is a lot of underground talent here that isnt appealing to the masses thats still good. i understand to you ny and south dont sound the same to you but they do to me. kinda like the boom clap all sounds the same to you. i think the west or whoever should bring more soul to there music. music from back in the days you could feel them putting there heart into it. Now i dont feel shit. Another problem i see is our best lyricist dont have production to back them up but lyrics dont matter these days i dont really hear anything being talked about much. Are problem too is our most popular artists right now arnt that great and catchy. i think if anyone could bring something with the westcoast feel but something new would be quik. he just needs to get the right artists with the right catchy chorouses that appeal to the people. plus marketing and promotion is a problem we have. if we had enough videos and promotion on tv mtv bet etc people wouldnt be tired of the west. We are not the in fad right now. Its hard to convince the masses that something that was once blown up would blow up again which is problem with stickin to strictly gfunk sound. its like dances. in the early 80s popping and bboying were popular by the late 80s people started new jack swing dancing and if you were to pop or break in the club they would be like that shits old and played out. We cant bring the same old formulas. maybe some of the gfunk incluence mixed with something totally new.
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another problem i see is people dont know how to listen to music. they wouldnt know what sounds good if it bit them in the ass. its all about what mtv convinces them. and what mtv and magazines say is where the girls go. and where the girls go is where the guys start to follow. people are brainwashed with garbage.
also to the artists that were just mentioned only one good there is crooked i. ya boy? not only is that name stupid as hell so are his lyrics and so are his beats. i cant see him blowin up. if people wanna blow up they either need credit already or something totally new or promote the hell out of themselfs.
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Alright i just ment like the westcoast should bring a new sound without trying to sound like everyone else. i dont care if its popular or not. i love the gfunk sound but i wouldnt mind hearing something new but that doesnt mean they have to do what mtv bet wants and have that sound everyone else has now adays. What i love about the west is the funk influence in the beats. i think by trying to sound like everyone else they arnt gonna blow up if thats what wants to happen. they need to bring something completly new. also unity not enough of it. i dont think westcoast rappers have to spit about gangsta shit but when they do over south beats it dont sound right with there flow. so id like to hear a new flow that matchs some hard new style beats <snip>
I think the difference with the rap of today as opposed to the rap of yesterday, is that today, these pople grew up on rap which is not the most musical art form. The rap artists of yesterday grew up on funk, soul, jazz, etc (real music), so they had a completely different influence back then. Today a lot of rap dont even sound like music, just noise over drum patterns and I think that has a lot to do with a lack of real musical influence. If there is gonna be a new sound in rap, its gonna take for real musicians to create it, not some all in one "producer" with a synth and a software loop program.
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also to the artists that were just mentioned only one good there is crooked i. ya boy? not only is that name stupid as hell so are his lyrics and so are his beats. i cant see him blowin up. if people wanna blow up they either need credit already or something totally new or promote the hell out of themselfs.
Im not a fan of Ya Boy and I agree he got a dumb ass name, but I was just speakin in terms of who could have a chance to do it big. He got the kids out here lovin his shit for whatever reason. And I dont see how you can say Turf Talk aint tight. He's easily my favorite new rapper. And I can see not liking the Federation, but they are the kings of hyphy. Nobody make that get stupid music better than them. And Crooked I as far as Im concerned is the best rapper out (next to E40), but I guess he is just happy to watch his shot pass him by, knowin that he could have been somebody.
As far as Quik changin the sound of rap, i dont see it. He makes great music but he has never been very revolutionary, like i said in another post. He makes the best funk beats since Ant Banks retired, but nothin really new. A lot of the time I think rap has just run its course, and will disappear like funk and disco did.
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I fell ya turf, but this the number 1 music in the WORLD so it aint going no where, it may evolve, but it aint going no-where
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Alright i just ment like the westcoast should bring a new sound without trying to sound like everyone else. i dont care if its popular or not. i love the gfunk sound but i wouldnt mind hearing something new but that doesnt mean they have to do what mtv bet wants and have that sound everyone else has now adays. What i love about the west is the funk influence in the beats. i think by trying to sound like everyone else they arnt gonna blow up if thats what wants to happen. they need to bring something completly new. also unity not enough of it. i dont think westcoast rappers have to spit about gangsta shit but when they do over south beats it dont sound right with there flow. so id like to hear a new flow that matchs some hard new style beats <snip>
I think the difference with the rap of today as opposed to the rap of yesterday, is that today, these pople grew up on rap which is not the most musical art form. The rap artists of yesterday grew up on funk, soul, jazz, etc (real music), so they had a completely different influence back then. Today a lot of rap dont even sound like music, just noise over drum patterns and I think that has a lot to do with a lack of real musical influence. If there is gonna be a new sound in rap, its gonna take for real musicians to create it, not some all in one "producer" with a synth and a software loop program.
Exactly what you just said. i couldnt have said it better myself.
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I fell ya turf, but this the number 1 music in the WORLD so it aint going no where, it may evolve, but it aint going no-where
Thats true, it is on top for now, but once upon a time disco and funk were on top too, and we all know how that story ends.
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I fell ya turf, but this the number 1 music in the WORLD so it aint going no where, it may evolve, but it aint going no-where
Thats true, it is on top for now, but once upon a time disco and funk were on top too, and we all know how that story ends.
But those were only around for 5-8 years strong...rap's been here since 79 and is continuously at a high point....so it's DEFINITELY here to stay. Nothing near a fad....it's a music form to the point that there will be many fads inside of Rap, but Rap itself is nothing near a a fad. It wiill just evolve, whether in a good direction or not.
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5-6 years strong for funk? you must be crazy. there is so many styles of funk just like there is rap/hiphop.. from 50s - 89/90 funk was around and strong. from james brown to chuck brown to parliament to prince to gap band to zapp & Roger and so many others. also in 87 funk was still strong cause they had a label called budweiser same as the beer but was owned by don king he had contests held in every major city and each winner had a 12 inch put out. theres 1000s of these rare 12inchs around. even still people still have funk george clinton parliment just droped an album this month. also to me funk evolved into rnb. for instance gap bands charlie wilson went from funk to singin rnb. he evolved from funk into the rnb. but rap isnt going anywhere either but im ready for the next style already. i hope that whatever it is they have listened to lots of music from the past. i think artists need to understand more about music history and producers too and not just makin stupid beats. i wouldnt mind hearing more instruments in there too.
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5-6 years strong for funk? you must be crazy. there is so many styles of funk just like there is rap/hiphop.. from 50s - 89/90 funk was around and strong. from james brown to chuck brown to parliament to prince to gap band to zapp & Roger and so many others. also in 87 funk was still strong cause they had a label called budweiser same as the beer but was owned by don king he had contests held in every major city and each winner had a 12 inch put out. theres 1000s of these rare 12inchs around. even still people still have funk george clinton parliment just droped an album this month. also to me funk evolved into rnb. for instance gap bands charlie wilson went from funk to singin rnb. he evolved from funk into the rnb. but rap isnt going anywhere either but im ready for the next style already. i hope that whatever it is they have listened to lots of music from the past. i think artists need to understand more about music history and producers too and not just makin stupid beats. i wouldnt mind hearing more instruments in there too.
I mean 5-6 to where Funk was what EVERYBODY in the nation was ridin to...yeah I know funk itself has been around forever and is still around. But it was only mainstream and at a high level for a few years.
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I from the south but I will say this the west coast sound does not and did not need to change it was fine the way it was. Just because a certain coast didn't and doesn't like the west coast sound doesn't mean it's bad.
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ya i feel the same way i dont like the south but they shouldnt change what they are doing.
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i personally feel the west needs to change its sound to an extent
see like on dj quiks cd and some of the songs i heard from bishop lamount and warren g
and crooked I theres some beats ive heard these guys on that was pretty dope
but to appeal to the club and to the mainstream you need to take that extra mile
the artist needs a off the chain beat that says westcoast but makes a girl wanna get down
and make a G crip walk or do whatever it is he wanna do somthing that will appeal to all audiences
and the'd need about 3 or 4 of these tracks per album then with your additional
laid back kickin it songs like warren gs single and your pimp tracks like black mercadez
i mean black mercadez is ILL but its not really club its more of a nod your head
smoke and drink song or cruise in the ride. but the west needs to reinvent its sound as a whole
and the thing is funk aint gonna do it' i know out in cali and in detroit and shit they still bump funk records like zapp and roger but right now soul is more bumped everywere else
youll hear al green and marvin being bumped more right now' westcoast producers need to sample or create beats that were influenced outside of the whole zapp and roger claps
Today in my college my homie told me he dont like 75% of cali music today cause it all sounds the same the clap and bouncy beats and talkin bout blood and cuzz and dippin and trippin
and the pimp jive suga fee and e 40 do dont appeal to alot of people everywere else
see if you kick it outside of cali youll see the traditional cali sound doesnt blend in in alot of places
you cant vibe with g funk in no tower project made of bricks or when its snowing out
you cant vibe wit it in alot of diffrent places but the south has so many sounds you can vibe with it in almost any state or country the west needs to cater to the rest of the country cause it already caters to itself too much cause truth be told cali alone cant make the west blow up
but the whole world buying cali product
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^^^when people say they dont like cali music cause all they talk about is bloods and crips all that says is that they aint heard enough Cali shit to know what they talkin about. When it comes to rap ALL I listen to is Cali shit and besides the og LA (cali is more then LA and ogs) rappers, nobody is talkin about that shit no more. I think people basin their opinions on todays Cali shit on the sound that was comin out 10-15 years ago cause the shit that comes out of Cali now is on a whole different hype. Plus the new artists aint gettin airplay nowhere else but here. Nobody can tell me that Messy Marv - Hypnotic aint platinum material with mass appeal, same with The Team - Gettin Hot In Here and a gang of other shit. People eed to actually hear the shit comin outta here before they make these assumptions. it aint their fault though, its the janky ass clear channels and other media outlets thats blacklistin us if we aint fuckin wit dre. its a cold game for cali these days.
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ok some of you misunderstood me (FunkTechNician), i didnt mean Hyphy is an exact westcoast version of south crunk, i mean it as unique STYLE that the part of that area invented, and its sick, and if you dont like ya boy and turf talk, then i have nothing else to say to you except LATE!
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ok some of you misunderstood me (FunkTechNician), i didnt mean Hyphy is an exact westcoast version of south crunk, i mean it as unique STYLE that the part of that area invented, and its sick, and if you dont like ya boy and turf talk, then i have nothing else to say to you except LATE!
off topic, but do anybody here got the video of turf Talk on Judge Joe Brown? That was the funniest shit I ever seen, all in the court room pluggin his cd, talkin hella shit to the judge. "I GOT A DEVASTATIN MOUFPIECE MANE!!!!!!!!" Somebody hook that up if you got it, that there is a classic.
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i didnt misunderstand you.. thats just what bay sounds like to me exactly like the south. sounds like crunk music to me thats why i dont listen to it its not appealing to my ears. good for a lot of people just not me.
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i didnt misunderstand you.. thats just what bay sounds like to me exactly like the south. sounds like crunk music to me thats why i dont listen to it its not appealing to my ears. good for a lot of people just not me.
It is only similar because it's hyped up music...the tempo and vibe is much different, and the style of the music itself is different. They serve different purposes. LA and NY music is usually more laid back than Crunk and Hyphy shit, but Crunk and Hyphy are still about as different as NY and LA music usually is.