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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: Jay_J on January 06, 2023, 03:20:45 AM
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Let's classify different type of G-Funk eras according to different cirterions.
How should we do it? by some certain years? decades? artists? region?
For example bay area has definately a different type of g-funk era which evolved in itself by years.
Also there are different type of g-funk eras according to producers and artists; Dr. Dre, Daz, Above The Law had a different type of sense, Ant Banks, Sam Sneed, Bud'da, Glove had different type of sense, Warren-G, Johnny J, Dj Quik had different sense... i can count more.
Also each artists have different type of eras in different years.
What do you think?
if you want to classify different type of G-Funk eras how would u do it and how many types you could specify?
if i look at it from a wide pespective and focus on similarities rather than differences, so i can only do it by different years. i can count one for 90-94 which we witnessed the birth of g-funk with heavy synth basses, leads, percussions and mostly funk samples. i can count 2nd for 95-97 with live bass, more guitars and piano, less leads, more pop/rnb oriented samples. i can count 3rd for 98-2005 with more strings, piano and keyboards involved, leads, louder and simple drum patterns, less sample based. 4th... the 4th i can not count it by years but beatmakers like battlecat, meech wells, jelly roll and fredwreck brought another type of g-funk in same years of 98-2005 which i can tell basicly it has mostly made of a keyboard and a software without live instruments and without samples by only midi synths, drum kits, percussions and sometimes talk box. I think today there's a 5th which we can listen trough artists like Dom Kennedy, YG, etc... which has ruff muted synth basses, trap drum patterns combined with west coast oriented percussions and leads. But i'm totally not a fan of this type. not at all.
this is how i classify. what's yours?
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https://youtu.be/z55hrL158fk
https://youtu.be/OBn94X2rqJI
https://youtu.be/Lwi4yRrhDt4
https://youtu.be/dd2EJjU2Yws
https://youtu.be/Wcfr6nCExmo
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https://youtu.be/IvtmfubrXiI
https://youtu.be/P8Ee3SqXZT0
https://youtu.be/YLTGydF2CtQ
https://youtu.be/IhriO4DWQ9I
https://youtu.be/Z4xtac6Vddw
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you better write and explain your opinion with those tracks bro, what you did looks like you are randomly posting your favorite g funk songs.
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you better write and explain your opinion with those tracks bro, what you did looks like you are randomly posting your favorite g funk songs.
Jazzy Smooth Mellow Instrumental With Blunt Drum Loops, Slow Chill Melody With Funk & Whistles
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To me it's all about that whistle synth. No whizistle, no g funk. :camby:
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To me it's all about that whistle synth. No whizistle, no g funk. :camby:
Riiiight
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To me it's all about that whistle synth. No whizistle, no g funk. :camby:
Wrooooong :)
what will you say about warren-g's "i want it all" album then?
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Jazzy Smooth Mellow Instrumental With Blunt Drum Loops, Slow Chill Melody With Funk & Whistles
so you mean there are 2 different type of g-funk era, am i right?
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so you mean there are 2 different type of g-funk era, am i right?
I meant g-funk as well all know it, from 90z
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Wrooooong :)
what will you say about warren-g's "i want it all" album then?
I'm confused. Are you asking us our opinion on what g-funk is or are you telling us what g-funk is?
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Wrooooong :)
what will you say about warren-g's "i want it all" album then?
It wasn't G-Funk.
Even "The Chronic" had only couple G-Funk Songs.
Yes, The Chronic.
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G-Funk is west coast gangsta rap with funk elements … that extends far past whistle synths. simple science.
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I'm confused. Are you asking us our opinion on what g-funk is or are you telling us what g-funk is?
you don't need to get offended. i appriciate you to contribute to the thread. yeah for sure i'm asking your opinion but like Dee Tha AK have right to agree with you i have right not to agree with you.
g-funk can not be limitted with one type of element like whistle lead. it is far beyond that to me.
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It wasn't G-Funk.
Even "The Chronic" had only couple G-Funk Songs.
Yes, The Chronic.
i agree with the chronic, it has some g-funk songs and rest are belong to gangsta rap/golden age.
i believe albums like "i want it all" album, dj quik's "safe and sound", 2pac's "all eyes on me" which heavily exists live guitars, rhode/keyboard chord progressions with midtempo beats represent another sense of g-funk era for late 90's.
"regulate" song is another example of this era also which i believe you don't think it's g-funk. but its one of the famous g-funk songs ever in history.
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It wasn't G-Funk.
Even "The Chronic" had only couple G-Funk Songs.
Yes, The Chronic.
Agree on that. Classic but not 100% g funk album like Tha Twinz or Lil 1/2 Dead first albums.
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you don't need to get offended. i appriciate you to contribute to the thread. yeah for sure i'm asking your opinion but like Dee Tha AK have right to agree with you i have right not to agree with you.
g-funk can not be limitted with one type of element like whistle lead. it is far beyond that to me.
Me not offended. I also don't have a problem with you disagreeing but it sounds like you are stating your opinion of what G-Funk is as fact.
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G-Funk is west coast gangsta rap with funk elements … that extends far past whistle synths. simple science.
I'm sure there are plenty of songs that fit into that definition prior to Black Mafia Life. You might want to rethink your stance.
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I'm sure there are plenty of songs that fit into that definition prior to Black Mafia Life. You might want to rethink your stance.
yes.. there were songs that contained hints of g-funk before the term g-funk was coined
black mafia life came out in 93.. there was definitely g-funk well before that
your claim of “regulate” not being a g-funk song is not a matter of opinion.. it’s flat out wrong
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yes.. there were songs that contained hints of g-funk before the term g-funk was coined
black mafia life came out in 93.. there was definitely g-funk well before that
your claim of “regulate” not being a g-funk song is not a matter of opinion.. it’s flat out wrong
black mafia life was finished and ready to be released before chronic came out but somehow death row records delayed that project 8)
so we can easily say that black mafia life is the first g-funk album recorded and first record that g-funk defination used in lyrics.
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Me not offended. I also don't have a problem with you disagreeing but it sounds like you are stating your opinion of what G-Funk is as fact.
no i'm not stating. i'm trying to have brain storm here all together to have a common statement at the end which most people agree.
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black mafia life was finished and ready to be released before chronic came out but somehow death row records delayed that project 8)
so we can easily say that black mafia life is the first g-funk album recorded and first record that g-funk defination used in lyrics.
not at all.. albums before black mafia life clearly had g-funk elements. efil4zaggin undeniably, amongst others.
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Dre and Quik are legends but in my
opinion, Daz and Cold187 created a new original sound. their music is not only funk music over gangsta lyrics. Dogg Pound, Time Will reveal, forever rich thugs are modern music and not only 70's or 80's Funky music like Quik, Ant banks etc..
The chronic a bit different ,first quality is the very violent music over jazzy funk bass and beats.
so i identify 2 diff groups
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not at all.. albums before black mafia life clearly had g-funk elements. efil4zaggin undeniably, amongst others.
yes but they didnt even know it was g funk. it was just coincidence.
above the law is the first artist/band invented it and called it g-funk but as i said somehow death row's boss decided to delay release date. hmmm who was boss of death row those days? :)
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"BML">"Chronic"
Realized Yeaaaars later.
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yes but they didnt even know it was g funk. it was just coincidence.
above the law is the first artist/band invented it and called it g-funk but as i said somehow death row's boss decided to delay release date. hmmm who was boss of death row those days? :)
there’s a dispute between hutch and dre about that
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there’s a dispute between hutch and dre about that
I think you're mistaken about that. I'm pretty sure Dre has give Hutch his props for creating the sound.
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I think you're mistaken about that. I'm pretty sure Dre has give Hutch his props for creating the sound.
Didn't Cold187um Hutch do something on wack azz "Compton" album?
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I think you're mistaken about that. I'm pretty sure Dre has give Hutch his props for creating the sound.
as far as i know, never has dre credited hutch for creating the sound
hutch is the only one i’ve heard makin noise bout it
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there’s a dispute between hutch and dre about that
no dispute. watch g-funk documentary, they give hutch their flowers, i mean all g-funk architects agree on that.
first of all hutch is the one who call it "g-funk" term.
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yes but they didnt even know it was g funk. it was just coincidence.
above the law is the first artist/band invented it and called it g-funk but as i said somehow death row's boss decided to delay release date. hmmm who was boss of death row those days? :)
i want to make this clear, i wrote it wrong. i was going to mention "Ruthless".
what is written on wikipedia about the album is "The album was recorded in 1991 into 1992 but was held back due to legal issues with Epic And Dr. Dre's Departure from Ruthless Records. It was released on February 2, 1993, via Ruthless Records"
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first of all hutch is the one who call it "g-funk" term.
Hutch or 2Pac?
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no dispute. watch g-funk documentary, they give hutch their flowers, i mean all g-funk architects agree on that.
first of all hutch is the one who call it "g-funk" term.
he gets his flowers for coining the term, but as far as the actual sound, he wasn’t creating it alone and dre unequivocally played a huge role
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Hutch or 2Pac?
In 1991 Pac comes to studio to record his verse for Black Mafia Life album but before he asks "Whats your style? I want to mention it in my verse" then Hutch answers "its g funk".
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he gets his flowers for coining the term, but as far as the actual sound, he wasn’t creating it alone and dre unequivocally played a huge role
Yeah there are other artists who helped g-funk to be created and Dre took it to another level and his debut album chronic introduced g funk to the world. Hutch is the first one who did it consciously first and gave its name.
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Yeah there are other artists who helped g-funk to be created and Dre took it to another level and his debut album chronic introduced g funk to the world. Hutch is the first one who did it consciously first and gave its name.
not sure about that because d.o.c album and more so efil4zaggin was already leaning towards g-funk
i think it was a group effort, as they were working together during that period
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as far as i know, never has dre credited hutch for creating the sound
hutch is the only one i’ve heard makin noise bout it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8Mu1PKNMI&t=310s
I posted this when it dropped but cant find the thread. Go to the 5:10 mark.
Didn't Cold187um Hutch do something on wack azz "Compton" album?
Yes.
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In 1991 Pac comes to studio to record his verse for Black Mafia Life album but before he asks "Whats your style? I want to mention it in my verse" then Hutch answers "its g funk".
Source? "they shouldn't try to stop the Mafia
2Pac'll pack a person, pump the trunk
I'm bumpin' G-Funk, but you can call it what you want"
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Source? "they shouldn't try to stop the Mafia
2Pac'll pack a person, pump the trunk
I'm bumpin' G-Funk, but you can call it what you want"
https://www.complex.com/music/2017/07/the-inventor-of-g-funk-interviewv
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not sure about that because d.o.c album and more so efil4zaggin was already leaning towards g-funk
i think it was a group effort, as they were working together during that period
i don't think it was a group effort at first. using a funk sample for a hiphop record doesnt mean you are doing g-funk or using a moog type of lead on a drum loop doesnt mean it is g-funk. that's why we call it a sub-genre because there are some certain ways to do it. i can't call "always into something" as a g-funk record. i can't call "deep cover" as a g-funk record also. too short was using funk samples, dre was using some funk samples, above the law also, even ice-t... you need multi layered melodic sythsizers, highly pitched portamento lead, deep bass grooves and funk samples or tunes played live. Hutch was the first one who exactly shaped these structure and repetead the formula again and again and then he named it. that's when we had smth to call g-funk and other artist tryed to do similar sound of it and also some artists inflluenced by it and contributed to it and helped it to change and evolve. thats what i call group effort. dre just made it god damn perfect and shaped it in his own way. first g-funk era which belong to early 90s definately came to its perfect shape with Dr. Dre and it became popular and know with Dre's effort. Thats when team effort began and guys like Daz, Glove, Quik, Warren-G helped it to evolve. That's how i see the history of g-funk.
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i don't think it was a group effort at first. using a funk sample for a hiphop record doesnt mean you are doing g-funk or using a moog type of lead on a drum loop doesnt mean it is g-funk. that's why we call it a sub-genre because there are some certain ways to do it. i can't call "always into something" as a g-funk record. i can't call "deep cover" as a g-funk record also. too short was using funk samples, dre was using some funk samples, above the law also, even ice-t... you need multi layered melodic sythsizers, highly pitched portamento lead, deep bass grooves and funk samples or tunes played live. Hutch was the first one who exactly shaped these structure and repetead the formula again and again and then he named it. that's when we had smth to call g-funk and other artist tryed to do similar sound of it and also some artists inflluenced by it and contributed to it and helped it to change and evolve. thats what i call group effort. dre just made it god damn perfect and shaped it in his own way. first g-funk era which belong to early 90s definately came to its perfect shape with Dr. Dre and it became popular and know with Dre's effort. Thats when team effort began and guys like Daz, Glove, Quik, Warren-G helped it to evolve. That's how i see the history of g-funk.
efil4zaggin was already using the sound that hutch ran with
to say 1 person started it is disingenuous
all you gota do is google “who started g-funk?” to see just how multi-layered it truly is
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8Mu1PKNMI&t=310s
I posted this when it dropped but cant find the thread. Go to the 5:10 mark.
Yes.
yes i know hutch’s take .. i’ve worked with hutch on rbx upcoming album and my upcoming solo debut so i’m very familiar
i’m telling u that dre has a different take
even what hutch is saying in the clip is very telling if u pay close attention
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yes i know hutch’s take .. i’ve worked with hutch on rbx upcoming album and my upcoming solo debut so i’m very familiar
i’m telling u that dre has a different take
even what hutch is saying in the clip is very telling if u pay close attention
Where's your source about Dre? Everyone here is dropping links but you.
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Where's your source about Dre? Everyone here is dropping links but you.
you’re claiming dre said something
it’s on you to prove that, not me to prove that he didn’t
the only links being posted is hutch taking credit, which is something everyone already knew
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i’m telling u that dre has a different take
Let me guess, you had a conversation while working on detox and he told you he created gfunk?
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and dont forget other producers like the bomb squad production ( public enemy)they made a type of modern funk with a typical james Brown bass . The track Fight the Power is typical Funk music over violent lyrics , other artists like Schooly D who was one of the first gangsta rapper if not the first .
Dr Dre Yella Big Hutch was highly influenced by the Bomb squad . they produced Cube first LP.
but i guess the G Funk West took another direction with the chronic doggystyle and Black mafia life with the George Clinton style and we know what kind of music...
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Let me guess, you had a conversation while working on detox and he told you he created gfunk?
oh, u a comedian now?
you’re deflecting from the fact that you can’t prove dre ever credited someone else for creating g-funk
see through
:shittedon:
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How to classify G Funk? For a more Scientific explanation I bring to you the immortal words of the legendary Nate Dogg (the King of G Funk, the one and only)
G - Game (money I make)
F - Fools (I break)
U - Undisputed Champ
N - Neva gonna get it
K - nikkaz that I knock on they back
(damn it feels good to see Long Beach on the maaaap)
https://youtu.be/zy6kgTMWeGA
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efil4zaggin was already using the sound that hutch ran with
to say 1 person started it is disingenuous
all you gota do is google “who started g-funk?” to see just how multi-layered it truly is
You totally got me wrong bro. You are not paying attention. I didnt say one person started it. I said one person consciously did it first and named it and shaped a formula how to do it. Dre took that formula and re shaped in his own way and made it sound something powerful and considered as a sub genre. I'm giving credits to both actually.
I dont have to google bro. You know that. I live that shit :)
When it comes to proove it yeah i believe what Hutch said. There are people in the game who supported what he said. Also dre or anybody close to Dre never disclaimed it.
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How to classify G Funk? For a more Scientific explanation I bring to you the immortal words of the legendary Nate Dogg (the King of G Funk, the one and only)
G - Game (money I make)
F - Fools (I break)
U - Undisputed Champ
N - Neva gonna get it
K - nikkaz that I knock on they back
(damn it feels good to see Long Beach on the maaaap)
https://youtu.be/zy6kgTMWeGA
Good breakdown
Never noticed the lyrics
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You totally got me wrong bro. You are not paying attention. I didnt say one person started it. I said one person consciously did it first and named it and shaped a formula how to do it. Dre took that formula and re shaped in his own way and made it sound something powerful and considered as a sub genre. I'm giving credits to both actually.
I dont have to google bro. You know that. I live that shit :)
When it comes to proove it yeah i believe what Hutch said. There are people in the game who supported what he said. Also dre or anybody close to Dre never disclaimed it.
I was going to say that. Even here at this site when people get at Dre people from his camp rush in to his defense. Notice how that isn't happening with this thread?
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You totally got me wrong bro. You are not paying attention. I didnt say one person started it. I said one person consciously did it first and named it and shaped a formula how to do it. Dre took that formula and re shaped in his own way and made it sound something powerful and considered as a sub genre. I'm giving credits to both actually.
I dont have to google bro. You know that. I live that shit :)
When it comes to proove it yeah i believe what Hutch said. There are people in the game who supported what he said. Also dre or anybody close to Dre never disclaimed it.
i think most of this is being based on hutch giving himself credit ..
you can say black mafia life was the first consciously full fledged g-funk album but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t g-funk before that, which is what’s being discussed .. so in that sense, hutch didn’t invent g-funk, hutch was just the first to go all in on it.
i don’t even think making it a sub-genre was a conscious effort tbh .. pac was probably tryna come up wit clever rhymes in the moment and hutch told him to say “g-funk” on the spot because it sounded cool
hutch is a great producer but just like the glove, he thrives on giving himself credit
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Good breakdown
Never noticed the lyrics
Thanks homie, props.
And many try to copy the G Funk sound, but copy machines can’t copy platinum
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In 1991 Pac comes to studio to record his verse for Black Mafia Life album but before he asks "Whats your style? I want to mention it in my verse" then Hutch answers "its g funk".
Just cause of how I came came up and the timing of when I got into rap I like to give the credit to Dre, Warren, and Nate…
…but this is an interesting quote and piece of hiphop history you posted on this thread. Because, to me it’s another jewel 💎 in 2pac’s crown if he was the first to say the word on record and then for Hutch’s side the fact that a player like Pac would not know the official name of the sound yet and had to ask Hutch and then Hutch provides him wit the name—well that’s a huge feather in Hutch’s cap.
Good thread and good piece of history.
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Just cause of how I came came up and the timing of when I got into rap I like to give the credit to Dre, Warren, and Nate…
…but this is an interesting quote and piece of hiphop history you posted on this thread. Because, to me it’s another jewel 💎 in 2pac’s crown if he was the first to say the word on record and then for Hutch’s side the fact that a player like Pac would not know the official name of the sound yet and had to ask Hutch and then Hutch provides him wit the name—well that’s a huge feather in Hutch’s cap.
Good thread and good piece of history.
https://youtu.be/XGPE4-qK-Qk
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Just cause of how I came came up and the timing of when I got into rap I like to give the credit to Dre, Warren, and Nate…
…but this is an interesting quote and piece of hiphop history you posted on this thread. Because, to me it’s another jewel 💎 in 2pac’s crown if he was the first to say the word on record and then for Hutch’s side the fact that a player like Pac would not know the official name of the sound yet and had to ask Hutch and then Hutch provides him wit the name—well that’s a huge feather in Hutch’s cap.
Good thread and good piece of history.
so, we are alreayd off topic, i want to know how would you classify and catogorize g-funk in itself? how many types of era could you determine in g-funk history?
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so, we are alreayd off topic, i want to know how would you classify and catogorize g-funk in itself? how many types of era could you determine in g-funk history?
When it comes to labels in music you hear many artists mistakenly say that "music is just music. Why do we have to classify it and say, well this is gangsta rap, and this is conscious rap, and here you have Southern Rap, music is just music."
And people actually think that's an intelligent way of speaking—not realizing that a lot of these terms were created or publicized to further promote and market their music and help their careers become successful not only commercially but also critically. Such terms and phrases are popularized by journalists and other entities that cover the music all to help promote and translate the product in a way that is palatable to the consumer.
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It's the same thing in politics. A lot of idiots say stupid shit like, "What's this left and right, Republican, Democrat, conservative, libertarian, communist, socialist, man.. people are people". That's a bit like saying "I love everybody and everybody is good"—and shows no discernment. Let me give you another analogy—if a beautiful woman came up to you and told you you were so handsome and she loved you and you were a great person you would feel elated. But now, imagine if you saw her move on to the next man walking the street, and the next man, and the next man, and the next man, and every man that walks by—well now those same words mean nothing.
So by saying all music is the same or all people are the same you are essentially saying nothing.
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So back to your o.g question, what originally is G-Funk? These are just labels we use that help us classify music and it serves a valuable purpose; but these are loose definitions and not an exact Science with only one objective answer. So if you ask me the question; G Funk is what Warren put in the G Funk documentary. To me, G Funk is Doggystyle, the G Funk Era, the Twinz, Dove Shack—and then the contributions they made to others albums like to the Chronic.
..213 and the work they did from the time the formed on the underground up until Pac died is G Funk by my definition, but I respect other definitions like what Hutch said
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I haven't read the whole thread, but I know some people are going to single out the synth whistle as being necessary for it to be G-Funk, but I disagree. I was listening to Snoop's "Don't Do the Crime" and even though this song lacks the synth whistle, this song definitely isn't east coast, it definitely isn't some south sh1t, it's some west coast funk. It makes me realize that the essence of G-Funk is smooth, laid-back beats overlaid with hardcore rhyming from a gangbanger's perspective. Typically it will have someone singing on the hook.
1. Laid-back beat (at least relative to other regions' beats) usually with a strong base groove and melodic keys
2. Hardcore rhyming
3. Clean catchy hook
https://youtu.be/oGOBCUwvPt4
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I haven't read the whole thread, but I know some people are going to single out the synth whistle as being necessary for it to be G-Funk, but I disagree. I was listening to Snoop's "Don't Do the Crime" and even though this song lacks the synth whistle, this song definitely isn't east coast, it definitely isn't some south sh1t, it's some west coast funk. It makes me realize that the essence of G-Funk is smooth, laid-back beats overlaid with hardcore rhyming from a gangbanger's perspective. Typically it will have someone singing on the hook.
1. Laid-back beat (at least relative to other regions' beats) usually with a strong base groove and melodic keys
2. Hardcore rhyming
3. Clean catchy hook
https://youtu.be/oGOBCUwvPt4
Good contrubition bro... thanks.
there are lots of examples of this type of g-funk, especially in mid 90s.