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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: dpgc2002 on December 27, 2002, 10:18:17 AM
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I prefer Eazy cause I really was into NWA in '90 when I first got into rap and the first rap album I ever bought was Niggaz4life...After Eazy left NWA he dropped some dope shit including that 187 album...Real Muthafukkin G'z, It's On, Gimme That Nut, that album was the shit...I don't think Eazy gets the respect he deserves...
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I think overall 2Pac was better, but my favorite rapper of all time is Eazy-E. His lyrics were simple and the subject matter was pretty much the same, but it was all in his voice and delivery. He's the best in my book.
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yea im pickin Eazy-E cuz hes my favorite rapper rite now (one of em) and cuz hes tite but ur rite he doesnt get the credit he deserves hes always looked over
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I'm pickint 'Pac over Ice C... I mean M.C. Re... I mean Dres... I mean Eazy E. 'Pac spoke on some deep shit that I love to listen too. And yes I own all of Eazy's CDs, and listen to themstill today. But Eazy was like a gimmick, a real gangsta that had a child's voice. 'Pac was not a gangsta, but a thug, and very deep and lyrical genious/nutt.
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Eazy...if it wasnt for Eazy there would be no pac...there would be no dre...there would be no cube...there would be no west coast...
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im pickin pac for me tupac reached out more to the people + i bang his shit all the time
peace
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Eazy...if it wasnt for Eazy there would be no pac...there would be no dre...there would be no cube...there would be no west coast...
Hell yeah, There aint no west with no Eric Wright!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Eazy...if it wasnt for Eazy there would be no pac...there would be no dre...there would be no cube...there would be no west coast...
True Shit the homie S.G.V. is speaking.
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The first thug "Tha Hip Hop Thugsta" Eazy-E. Godfather of Gangsta Rap no doubt!
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What the fuck kind of a question is this?? Tupac EASILY. Get your minds right people.
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lol....tru....ofcourse its Pac, without pac, there wud be no respect for the West, the kind of respect West has rite now is kaz of 2pac, and when u think of WEST the first name that cliks ur mind is 2pac, he had the kind of feelings and emotions in his raps that I never felt
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'Pac was not a gangsta, but a thug, and very deep and lyrical genious/nutt.
tru....he wuz very clever nd genius too, most rappers t dumb fuks.....they jus try to be gangsta....and M.DOGG, i don think much ppl. here kno the diff. between A GANGSTA and a THUG, most ppl. think they mean the same.
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eazy e - i prefer nwa and his solo projects to any of pac's stuff and eazy did much more for rap overall
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2pac by FAR!!
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What the fuck kind of a question is this?? Tupac EASILY. Get your minds right people.
dude not everybody is a pac dickrider...
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Eazy fo sheezy...
N.W.A. my favorite artist(s) ever and I love Eazy's solo shit
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I prefer Eazy cause I really was into NWA in '90 when I first got into rap and the first rap album I ever bought was Niggaz4life...After Eazy left NWA he dropped some dope shit including that 187 album...Real Muthafukkin G'z, It's On, Gimme That Nut, that album was the shit...I don't think Eazy gets the respect he deserves...
even though i only have one eazy e cd and 2 nwa cds, i would still have to say i like eazy e more. He deserved more respect. The cd i have is the 187 album. I prefer eazy over pac easily.
peace
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*stands in shock*
Alright, I see some Eazy E fans. I am too, own all his damn CDs, even the rare 5150: Home For Tha Sick (ask and I'll email it to you now) and listen to them all. I also have heard most of 'Pac's shit and can say this. Easy as P-A-C. 2Pac would have happen without Eazy, anyone hear of Digital Underground. They were out of the Bay, not L.A., and that's who rode 'Pac into the game. Man, Eazy didn't even write his own shit, just ran his busness and did his thang. Busnessman, Eazy, who'd I'd bump, 'Pac. Simple.
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i dont even havee to think twice about this, 2pac easily. c'mon eazy's catalog is so fuckin repetive. an plus i cant listen all the way through a whole eazy-e album. an for those that say there would be no west wit out eazy-e. i heard it was dre that talked eazy-e into rapping. eazy would be behind the finacial aspect but he didnt want to get on the mic cuz he didnt want to embrass himself an dre talked him into it
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an for those that say there would be no west wit out eazy-e. i heard it was dre that talked eazy-e into rapping. eazy would be behind the finacial aspect but he didnt want to get on the mic cuz he didnt want to embrass himself an dre talked him into it
yea but Eazy paid 4 the shit though Man, Eazy didn't even write his own shit
i think he wrote most of his shit after Eazy-Duz-It but writin or not writin his own shit doesnt matter cuz hes the 1 rappin it and all that, 2 me it doesnt really matter who writes it cuz 2 me it doesnt matter i mena dre doesnt write his own shit ne more either but that doesnt stop people from listenin 2 it
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yea but Eazy paid 4 the shit though
so basically than if it wasnt for dre there would of been no eazy-e either than so i guess its safe to say it was both dre an eazy the helped start up the west coast
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so basically than if it wasnt for dre there would of been no eazy-e either than so i guess its safe to say it was both dre an eazy the helped start up the west coast
yea pretty much cuz Dr Dre supplied the shit and he kne where 2 get the shit 2 and eazy paid 4 it I THINK
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What the fuck kind of a question is this?? Tupac EASILY. Get your minds right people.
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i think if we're gonna argue whos a better rapper, then we should do just that. to say eazy is better because he opened the door for west coast acts isn't fair. if you're gonna argue like that, then you have to say there would also be no tupac with Too Short. he came out from the bay way before Pac. so therefore Too Short is better than pac right? so to me that argument is bullshit. make your point based on lyrics and flow and things like that. i love eazy, i own every solo and NWA album. he had a great voice, and a good flow. but many many times didn't write his own lyrics. and as far as his lyrics go, he stuck to one subject. its no comparison. Pac was lyrically superior, had a killer flow, wrote his own rhymes, and was one of the most diverse rappers ever (subject wise). so to me, under these criteria, its pac hands down.
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i think if we're gonna argue whos a better rapper, then we should do just that. to say eazy is better because he opened the door for west coast acts isn't fair. if you're gonna argue like that, then you have to say there would also be no tupac with Too Short. he came out from the bay way before Pac. so therefore Too Short is better than pac right? so to me that argument is bullshit. make your point based on lyrics and flow and things like that. i love eazy, i own every solo and NWA album. he had a great voice, and a good flow. but many many times didn't write his own lyrics. and as far as his lyrics go, he stuck to one subject. its no comparison. Pac was lyrically superior, had a killer flow, wrote his own rhymes, and was one of the most diverse rappers ever (subject wise). so to me, under these criteria, its pac hands down.
Pac didn't have no 'killer flow'
and 'who is better' is not = who is the better rapper/Who has the most skills' and shit
Eazy's music is old school and Pac had many RnB hooks and shit and u can easily like Eazy's music over Pacs if this is actually ur taste
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thats cool. don't miss my point here. people sayin the reason they like eazy because without eazy there is no pac. well then why not say that too short is better because without too short there would be no tupac. its cool if pacs not your favorite dude. but eazy was very one sided topic wise, and the majority of the time he didn't even write his own lyrics. especially when he was in NWA. thats why i think pac is better
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What the fuck kind of a question is this?? Tupac EASILY. Get your minds right people.
dude not everybody is a pac dickrider...
Look, I like both artists, but its not about being a dickrider, its about being OBJECTIVE and knowing your shit.
And as much as the Eazy fans dont want to believe it, Pac is by far the greater MC of the two, easily. And all the real hip hop heads know this.
First of all, Eazy didnt even write most of his own lyrics. That reason alone makes him inferior to Pac as an MC. However, even if he did write his own lyrics, his subject matter was very repetitive, wheareares Pac was one of the most versatile MC's to ever pick up the mic. He wasnt great with wordplay, but he was still light years better than Eazy E. Eazy's strength was his flow and shock value subject matter. He didnt have the ability to pen a song like Who Do U Believe In, So Many Tears, Starin Through My Rear View, etc etc......Pac was 1000 x the songwriter that Eazy was.
Now, lets talk about impact and influence. This definatly goes to Pac. Eazy did more for rap than Pac?? Thats a joke. Every MC alive today is measured by Pac's greatness. You dont see MC's biting lines or paying tribute to Eazy in their rhymes on a regular basis like you do with Pac. Sure, Eazy started NWA, one of the most influential groups ever, but everyone and their momma knows that Cube was best MC of that group. So yea, as far as impact goes, Pac has Eazy beat there as well.
Now, lets look at their discography. No comparison. Pac has three certified classics under his belt, while Eazy made only one [I dont consider any of Eazy's solo albums to be classic, but I said one for the sake of argument], and even Eazy's best album doesnt touch MATW, AEOM, or 7 Day Theory......
with all these reasons I named above, Pac is the greater of the two, hands down, end of discussion.
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The subject line is just Eazy vs. Pac. And if it wasn't for Eazy this rap game would be totally different. Eazy started this gangsta shiit
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What the fuck kind of a question is this?? Tupac EASILY. Get your minds right people.
dude not everybody is a pac dickrider...
Look, I like both artists, but its not about being a dickrider, its about being OBJECTIVE and knowing your shit.
And as much as the Eazy fans dont want to believe it, Pac is by far the greater MC of the two, easily. And all the real hip hop heads know this.
First of all, Eazy didnt even write most of his own lyrics. That reason alone makes him inferior to Pac as an MC. However, even if he did write his own lyrics, his subject matter was very repetitive, wheareares Pac was one of the most versatile MC's to ever pick up the mic. He wasnt great with wordplay, but he was still light years better than Eazy E. Eazy's strength was his flow and shock value subject matter. He didnt have the ability to pen a song like Who Do U Believe In, So Many Tears, Starin Through My Rear View, etc etc......Pac was 1000 x the songwriter that Eazy was.
u right there
he was the greater MC cause lyrics is too important.. although Eazy's flow was betta in my oppinion
remember MC is not = artists though
Now, lets talk about impact and influence. This definatly goes to Pac. Eazy did more for rap than Pac?? Thats a joke. Every MC alive today is measured by Pac's greatness. You dont see MC's biting lines or paying tribute to Eazy in their rhymes on a regular basis like you do with Pac. Sure, Eazy started NWA, one of the most influential groups ever, but everyone and their momma knows that Cube was best MC of that group. So yea, as far as impact goes, Pac has Eazy beat there as well.
Now, lets look at their discography. No comparison. Pac has three certified classics under his belt, while Eazy made only one [I dont consider any of Eazy's solo albums to be classic, but I said one for the sake of argument], and even Eazy's best album doesnt touch MATW, AEOM, or 7 Day Theory......
with all these reasons I named above, Pac is the greater of the two, hands down, end of discussion.
but I absolutely disagree on this
U can't even compare Pac's influence to Eazy's (I'm talking about POSITIVE influence, the fact that there's loads of biters n shit that try to act like Pac is nothing u can credit Pac for)
When Pac became really big Gangsta Rap was already at it's best / the end of it's best.
Did Eazy and N.W.A. improve HipHop? INDEED
The N.W.A. era and the following Ruthless / Deathrow beef.. this was HipHops best time without a doubt
Now look at Pac's big time (1996+).. did HipHop improve since 1996? hell NO
hardly any new dope styles n shit were created (like G-Funk) the most influencing production style change was when Dre's 2001 dropped and this is in no way 'Pac influenced'
So since HipHop became worse since Pac was big time how could he be such a big influence..?
Now days everybody gives Pac propz (more than to any other legend) and claim to be influenced by him cause he was that big and famous and all that AND cause he was shot to death
But compare the shit that's been released befo Pac was big to the shit that's been released after.. and tell me honestly.. Did Pac's influence make 'em do betta music?
Don't get it twisted
my point ain't that Pacs influence fucked HipHop up or shit
my point is his influence can't be THAT big in the end cause otherwise HipHop wouldn't have become worse and worse
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Yeah, 2Pac is a better MC easily, better lyriscist...yeah. I would still rather listen to Eazy-E though....I'm picking him outta the two not because he's the best, but because he's my favorite.
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I love how people forget how 'Pac was a Bay rapper. Without Eazy, Dre, Cube, Death Row, Suge, Snoop, and a lot of other L.A. rappers wouldn't exist. Without Eazy, 'Pac would still be. Again, 'Pac was of Digital Underground. Without Shock G, there is no 2Pac. Digital Underground was ground breaking, Shock G's alter ego Humpty Hump was a huge money maker, and had no N.W.A. influnce. 2Pac was more political when released, so not realy into that gangsta shit, and he used a more N.Y. influnce. Hell he wanted to be M.C. New York. Lots of N.Y. influince, Bay influince, listen to Strickly For My Niggaz, and we know the Bay influince L.A. more than L.A. to the Bay. The Thug shit as more Kool G Rap, Ice T (which came out in '86, before N.W.A.) and a little Ice Cube than Eazy E.
As for sound. 'Pac's flow was that down from the heart low. Every word meant something. Eazy was a gimmick, 'cause Dre knew it would work. Eazy's voice was funny, his flow was off actually. His shit was meant to be funny.
Eazy over 'Pac. I can see Biggie, KRS-One, Ice Cube, Rakim, Bone Thugs, Snoop maybe, Dr. Dre 'causehi a producer not a rapper, but Eazy E. I love him, but over 'Pac? Still leaves me confused. I think most are just people looking for a person to put over 2Pac, try Ice Cube, then I can almost agree.
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I just prefer listening to Eazy over Pac...Pac was a much better MC and all that but Easy is just so fukin entertaining to listen to...I love hearing him sing "Automobile" or make songs like "Gimme That Nut" and turn around and make songs like "Real Muthafukin G'z" or "It's On"...Anyways RIP to both Eazy and Pac, 2 legends that were taking from us to soon...
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I love how people forget how 'Pac was a Bay rapper. Without Eazy, Dre, Cube, Death Row, Suge, Snoop, and a lot of other L.A. rappers wouldn't exist. Without Eazy, 'Pac would still be. Again, 'Pac was of Digital Underground. Without Shock G, there is no 2Pac. Digital Underground was ground breaking, Shock G's alter ego Humpty Hump was a huge money maker, and had no N.W.A. influnce. 2Pac was more political when released, so not realy into that gangsta shit, and he used a more N.Y. influnce. Hell he wanted to be M.C. New York. Lots of N.Y. influince, Bay influince, listen to Strickly For My Niggaz, and we know the Bay influince L.A. more than L.A. to the Bay. The Thug shit as more Kool G Rap, Ice T (which came out in '86, before N.W.A.) and a little Ice Cube than Eazy E.
As for sound. 'Pac's flow was that down from the heart low. Every word meant something. Eazy was a gimmick, 'cause Dre knew it would work. Eazy's voice was funny, his flow was off actually. His shit was meant to be funny.
Eazy over 'Pac. I can see Biggie, KRS-One, Ice Cube, Rakim, Bone Thugs, Snoop maybe, Dr. Dre 'causehi a producer not a rapper, but Eazy E. I love him, but over 'Pac? Still leaves me confused. I think most are just people looking for a person to put over 2Pac, try Ice Cube, then I can almost agree.
I ain't got to look for a person to put over Pac, there're loads of people I put over Pac I wouldn't need Eazy for that.
and I didn't say without Eazy there was no Pac
What I said is Pac didn't improve HipHop so his influence couldn't be that great
if u think I'm wrong tell me why
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CONGRATULATIONS WCC! :o Finally ppl that know what real music is, when I first saw this topic listen I knew all 2pac fans (thats alot) gonna vote their azz of & now Eazy is winning this battle, dope shit ppl :D
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Man... I think comparing these 2 rappers is kinda dumb...On a Battle, it aint really about who's the best m.c but who can humiliate who the better... And with 2 Top Battle Rappers like Eazy & Pac, we cant know who would win without seeing it happen and I think it would be a BIG battle... Eazy could win and Pac could win, they are, in my opinion, 2 rappers that can humiliate... Listen to Hittem Up, listen to Real muthafuckin G'z lol.. These songs are so embarassing .. Now everybody calls Dr Dre a Gay and everybody Hates Bad Boy
who's the better overall rapper? U cant compare em, they are too damn different in my opinion, Eazy E was a funny man having fun and droping some dope gangsta shit and Pac was a deep rapper, but more serious then E... Eazy Repetitive? How many times do 2 Pac says "IM a thug nigga" or "is there a heaven for a thug" Every rapper has a topic they talk about a lot... Too Short is all about pimpin..
Anywayz r.i.p to both of em
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i dont see anywhere on the homeboy who made this threads post that says: lyrically who was better etc....so it all boils down to who u like more n why...n i like eazy more cuz he is the reason we're on this board...if he didnt round up dre, cube, ren n yella there wouldve never been NWA...and dre would still be rockin them gay ass suits...ren would probably be out bangin...who knows what cube would be doin...yella wouldve probably started his porn biz long ago..lmao...therefore snoop wouldve never got his start with the masses...nor would the DPG...if pac never exsisted we would half less studio thugs thats for sure...and i prefer too short too...cuz he paid the dues that tupac didnt have to...short and e-40 opened the door for the bay...digital underground were just steppin in when pac hopped on board...it all boils down to what these guys did...Too Short, Ice-T, NWA, Mixmaster Spade, E-40....they had to struggle to get accepted because they were virtually the first people makin rap music from cali...they had to go threw the most label/commercial bullshit...plus they all made some straight up classic shit with little money backin them...real hustlin...sellin tapes out of their trunks...self made muthafuckas
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sgv- yeah well in case you don't know, it wasn't eazy that rounded up NWA. dre and cube got together, and they went to eazy to get the funds. eazy didn't go lookin for them to start the group. everyone involved was tryin to get eazy to rap, and in the beginning he didn't want to, but they finally convinced him. and you think pac inspired more studio gangsters than eazy did? what the fuck are you smokin? 90% of rappers are studio gangsters. you're sayin they're he because of pac? i'd say eazy is more the cause of that than pac. thats cool that you prefer too short. i understand-i own everything since shorty the pimp except whats my favorite word. but in no way shape or form does too short compare to tupac. at least as far as music. as far as opening doors, well hell yeah he does. but based on that, is rappers delight your favorite hip-hop song of all time? because that opened the doors for everybody in hip-hop. he said which was BETTER. i would interpret this as who is a better MC. shit maybe he meant who was better at opening doors. who the fuck knows. he dude whoever started this topic, why don't you clarify?
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^^^yea let the guy speak on it...but anyway...rappers delight is one of my favorite jams of all time...its classic...cant say its not...but um...look at the majority of the studio gz on the mic now a days...how many of them shout out pac?...and how many shout out eazy?...the most of them credit pac as their influence...not eazy...oh and by puttin up the money for nwa eazy basically rounded em up...whether he founded the group is an other story...if it wasnt for his money and his charisma NWA wouldve never made it...
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sgv- yeah well in case you don't know, it wasn't eazy that rounded up NWA. dre and cube got together, and they went to eazy to get the funds. eazy didn't go lookin for them to start the group. everyone involved was tryin to get eazy to rap, and in the beginning he didn't want to, but they finally convinced him. and you think pac inspired more studio gangsters than eazy did? what the fuck are you smokin? 90% of rappers are studio gangsters. you're sayin they're he because of pac? i'd say eazy is more the cause of that than pac. thats cool that you prefer too short. i understand-i own everything since shorty the pimp except whats my favorite word. but in no way shape or form does too short compare to tupac. at least as far as music. as far as opening doors, well hell yeah he does. but based on that, is rappers delight your favorite hip-hop song of all time? because that opened the doors for everybody in hip-hop. he said which was BETTER. i would interpret this as who is a better MC. shit maybe he meant who was better at opening doors. who the fuck knows. he dude whoever started this topic, why don't you clarify?
Eazy didnt round up NWA? ::) Shit if you gonna speak on shit..do your homework!
http://www.thaformula.com/south_bronx_of_l_a_.htm
http://www.thaformula.com/south_bronx_of_l_a__part_ii.htm
Peace
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Eazy...if it wasnt for Eazy there would be no pac...there would be no dre...there would be no cube...there would be no west coast...
there would be cube and there would be dre...
dre, maybe, woulndt do the sound he's doin right now..but he would be out there fa sho
just like cube !!!
you cant hold em back !
GT
oh, ima go wit eazy, over pac fa sho !!!
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^^^yea let the guy speak on it...but anyway...rappers delight is one of my favorite jams of all time...its classic...cant say its not...but um...look at the majority of the studio gz on the mic now a days...how many of them shout out pac?...and how many shout out eazy?...the most of them credit pac as their influence...not eazy...oh and by puttin up the money for nwa eazy basically rounded em up...whether he founded the group is an other story...if it wasnt for his money and his charisma NWA wouldve never made it...
word
there would be cube and there would be dre...
dre, maybe, woulndt do the sound he's doin right now..but he would be out there fa sho
just like cube !!!
you cant hold em back !
GT
oh, ima go wit eazy, over pac fa sho !!!
word
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Well, I got to say Eazy.. He's the/a founder, more gangsta, talkin bout the real..Pac is deeper, but is no Eazy.. They hyped Pac up, specially in Europe..over here is rap = 2pac. And that's sad, the're alot more talented rappers in the biz..
Don't get me wrong, got love for both, but when I got to choose..
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To Hoe Hopper.
'Pac didn't influince rap? Have you ever heard DMX, Ja Rule, Tha Realest, or any other corny sounding sound-a-likes. As for improving the game. Before 'Pac, if any one did a Keep Your Head Up, a Dear Mama, a Brenda Got A Baby, then they would be dissed, and lose their street rep that was so important back then. Eazy's influince was not musical. Ice Cube cam up with the political shit, Dre and Yella worked on the sound, more Dre than Yella. Who else would sample Funky Worm, Dre. Eazy was a founder because of his business influince. Eazy started his own damn record label, housed a west coast all star group, got female rappers, and keep all that shit gangsta. Ruthless was the blueprint to Death Row. We now how that turned out. 'Pac came out and rapped on home issues, and got deep, a depth no one can reach, but they try. 'Pac upped the game to a point were no one can up it. Eazy made business out of the game. 'Pac made great music, Eazy made money. His music was made by other, for him. He just was the right person to do it, because of his voice.
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To Hoe Hopper.
'Pac didn't influince rap? Have you ever heard DMX, Ja Rule, Tha Realest, or any other corny sounding sound-a-likes. As for improving the game. Before 'Pac, if any one did a Keep Your Head Up, a Dear Mama, a Brenda Got A Baby, then they would be dissed, and lose their street rep that was so important back then. Eazy's influince was not musical. Ice Cube cam up with the political shit, Dre and Yella worked on the sound, more Dre than Yella. Who else would sample Funky Worm, Dre. Eazy was a founder because of his business influince. Eazy started his own damn record label, housed a west coast all star group, got female rappers, and keep all that shit gangsta. Ruthless was the blueprint to Death Row. We now how that turned out. 'Pac came out and rapped on home issues, and got deep, a depth no one can reach, but they try. 'Pac upped the game to a point were no one can up it. Eazy made business out of the game. 'Pac made great music, Eazy made money. His music was made by other, for him. He just was the right person to do it, because of his voice.
On point!!!!!!!!!!!
Respect given by me for that view, well point.
Lastly R.I.P Eric R.I.P Tupac
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To Hoe Hopper.
'Pac didn't influince rap? Have you ever heard DMX, Ja Rule, Tha Realest, or any other corny sounding sound-a-likes. As for improving the game. Before 'Pac, if any one did a Keep Your Head Up, a Dear Mama, a Brenda Got A Baby, then they would be dissed, and lose their street rep that was so important back then. Eazy's influince was not musical. Ice Cube cam up with the political shit, Dre and Yella worked on the sound, more Dre than Yella. Who else would sample Funky Worm, Dre. Eazy was a founder because of his business influince. Eazy started his own damn record label, housed a west coast all star group, got female rappers, and keep all that shit gangsta. Ruthless was the blueprint to Death Row. We now how that turned out. 'Pac came out and rapped on home issues, and got deep, a depth no one can reach, but they try. 'Pac upped the game to a point were no one can up it. Eazy made business out of the game. 'Pac made great music, Eazy made money. His music was made by other, for him. He just was the right person to do it, because of his voice.
I cant agree 100%, Nobody daired to go out & say fuck the police or shit like that, that kept rappers from expressing their real anger but then E just came up with it & putted NWA in the role & that opent gates so he did influence rap more then 2pac, like Shock G said "We were (digital underground) underground because we expressed our real anger but since NWA came, it opent alot of gates for us rappers". & Eazy made alot of money but lost alot to, when he died he was hella bankrupt.. Tomica, the one that gets dissed alot for killing Ruthless took care so that it could run functionally again, now they may not put out the biggest gangsta waxes but they still are in business.
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I go with Pac...never thought it would be that close..19-19...wow
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To Hoe Hopper.
'Pac didn't influince rap? Have you ever heard DMX, Ja Rule, Tha Realest, or any other corny sounding sound-a-likes. As for improving the game. Before 'Pac, if any one did a Keep Your Head Up, a Dear Mama, a Brenda Got A Baby, then they would be dissed, and lose their street rep that was so important back then. Eazy's influince was not musical. Ice Cube cam up with the political shit, Dre and Yella worked on the sound, more Dre than Yella. Who else would sample Funky Worm, Dre. Eazy was a founder because of his business influince. Eazy started his own damn record label, housed a west coast all star group, got female rappers, and keep all that shit gangsta. Ruthless was the blueprint to Death Row. We now how that turned out. 'Pac came out and rapped on home issues, and got deep, a depth no one can reach, but they try. 'Pac upped the game to a point were no one can up it. Eazy made business out of the game. 'Pac made great music, Eazy made money. His music was made by other, for him. He just was the right person to do it, because of his voice.
I cant agree 100%, Nobody daired to go out & say fuck the police or shit like that, that kept rappers from expressing their real anger but then E just came up with it & putted NWA in the role & that opent gates so he did influence rap more then 2pac, like Shock G said "We were (digital underground) underground because we expressed our real anger but since NWA came, it opent alot of gates for us rappers". & Eazy made alot of money but lost alot to, when he died he was hella bankrupt.. Tomica, the one that gets dissed alot for killing Ruthless took care so that it could run functionally again, now they may not put out the biggest gangsta waxes but they still are in business.
Dude, Eazy did not have more impact on hip hop than Pac did, and to say so is just fucking preposterious. You can like you who you wanna like, cuz everyone got different tastes, but Pac is by far the most influential MC of all time. Eazy may have started NWA, but that doesnt measure up the influence that Pac has had on hip hop culture, and continues to have. All Eyez On Me is still the blueprint by which all commercial/street albums are made by, and countless artists continue to sample his music, whether its his lyrics, his beats, or concepts.
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To Hoe Hopper.
'Pac didn't influince rap? Have you ever heard DMX, Ja Rule, Tha Realest, or any other corny sounding sound-a-likes. As for improving the game. Before 'Pac, if any one did a Keep Your Head Up, a Dear Mama, a Brenda Got A Baby, then they would be dissed, and lose their street rep that was so important back then. Eazy's influince was not musical. Ice Cube cam up with the political shit, Dre and Yella worked on the sound, more Dre than Yella. Who else would sample Funky Worm, Dre. Eazy was a founder because of his business influince. Eazy started his own damn record label, housed a west coast all star group, got female rappers, and keep all that shit gangsta. Ruthless was the blueprint to Death Row. We now how that turned out. 'Pac came out and rapped on home issues, and got deep, a depth no one can reach, but they try. 'Pac upped the game to a point were no one can up it. Eazy made business out of the game. 'Pac made great music, Eazy made money. His music was made by other, for him. He just was the right person to do it, because of his voice.
I cant agree 100%, Nobody daired to go out & say fuck the police or shit like that, that kept rappers from expressing their real anger but then E just came up with it & putted NWA in the role & that opent gates so he did influence rap more then 2pac, like Shock G said "We were (digital underground) underground because we expressed our real anger but since NWA came, it opent alot of gates for us rappers". & Eazy made alot of money but lost alot to, when he died he was hella bankrupt.. Tomica, the one that gets dissed alot for killing Ruthless took care so that it could run functionally again, now they may not put out the biggest gangsta waxes but they still are in business.
Dude, Eazy did not have more impact on hip hop than Pac did, and to say so is just fucking preposterious. You can like you who you wanna like, cuz everyone got different tastes, but Pac is by far the most influential MC of all time. Eazy may have started NWA, but that doesnt measure up the influence that Pac has had on hip hop culture, and continues to have. All Eyez On Me is still the blueprint by which all commercial/street albums are made by, and countless artists continue to sample his music, whether its his lyrics, his beats, or concepts.
Now we come to the main subject of this topic, if it wasnt for Eazy there wouldnt be no 'Pac & you cant denie that... So Eazy made it posible for 2Pac to unpack hes influence of the rap industry, Now who had the most influence? Eazy.
BTW: this topic is about who you like most, not who had the most influence
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Even Shock G said that 2Pac would still happen. If not with Westcoast artist, back in New York. 2Pac pulled heavily from Kool G Rap, Chuck D, LL Cool J, Rakim, and on the west, he was talking of Ice Cube, and Ice T introduced gangsta rap before Eazy and N.W.A., ANYONE EVER HEARD OF COLORS, released 1996, when Ice Cube was C.I.A. and Dre was wearing tight suits Again, Eazy blueprinted nothing in music, it was business. Eazy was by far the best businessman in early rap. It worked.
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released 1996
I suppose you mean 1986?
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To Hoe Hopper.
'Pac didn't influince rap? Have you ever heard DMX, Ja Rule, Tha Realest, or any other corny sounding sound-a-likes. As for improving the game. Before 'Pac, if any one did a Keep Your Head Up, a Dear Mama, a Brenda Got A Baby, then they would be dissed, and lose their street rep that was so important back then. Eazy's influince was not musical. Ice Cube cam up with the political shit, Dre and Yella worked on the sound, more Dre than Yella. Who else would sample Funky Worm, Dre. Eazy was a founder because of his business influince. Eazy started his own damn record label, housed a west coast all star group, got female rappers, and keep all that shit gangsta. Ruthless was the blueprint to Death Row. We now how that turned out. 'Pac came out and rapped on home issues, and got deep, a depth no one can reach, but they try. 'Pac upped the game to a point were no one can up it. Eazy made business out of the game. 'Pac made great music, Eazy made money. His music was made by other, for him. He just was the right person to do it, because of his voice.
I cant agree 100%, Nobody daired to go out & say fuck the police or shit like that, that kept rappers from expressing their real anger but then E just came up with it & putted NWA in the role & that opent gates so he did influence rap more then 2pac, like Shock G said "We were (digital underground) underground because we expressed our real anger but since NWA came, it opent alot of gates for us rappers". & Eazy made alot of money but lost alot to, when he died he was hella bankrupt.. Tomica, the one that gets dissed alot for killing Ruthless took care so that it could run functionally again, now they may not put out the biggest gangsta waxes but they still are in business.
Dude, Eazy did not have more impact on hip hop than Pac did, and to say so is just fucking preposterious. You can like you who you wanna like, cuz everyone got different tastes, but Pac is by far the most influential MC of all time. Eazy may have started NWA, but that doesnt measure up the influence that Pac has had on hip hop culture, and continues to have. All Eyez On Me is still the blueprint by which all commercial/street albums are made by, and countless artists continue to sample his music, whether its his lyrics, his beats, or concepts.
Now we come to the main subject of this topic, if it wasnt for Eazy there wouldnt be no 'Pac & you cant denie that... So Eazy made it posible for 2Pac to unpack hes influence of the rap industry, Now who had the most influence? Eazy.
BTW: this topic is about who you like most, not who had the most influence
Thats a joke man. Pac woulda blown up with or without Eazy E. Give me ONE example of how Eazy made it possible for Pac to blow up......ONE example. You cant. Because Eazy had nothing to do with Pac's success. If anyone influenced Pac, it was Public Enemy and Rakim......
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To Hoe Hopper.
'Pac didn't influince rap? Have you ever heard DMX, Ja Rule, Tha Realest, or any other corny sounding sound-a-likes. As for improving the game. Before 'Pac, if any one did a Keep Your Head Up, a Dear Mama, a Brenda Got A Baby, then they would be dissed, and lose their street rep that was so important back then. Eazy's influince was not musical. Ice Cube cam up with the political shit, Dre and Yella worked on the sound, more Dre than Yella. Who else would sample Funky Worm, Dre. Eazy was a founder because of his business influince. Eazy started his own damn record label, housed a west coast all star group, got female rappers, and keep all that shit gangsta. Ruthless was the blueprint to Death Row. We now how that turned out. 'Pac came out and rapped on home issues, and got deep, a depth no one can reach, but they try. 'Pac upped the game to a point were no one can up it. Eazy made business out of the game. 'Pac made great music, Eazy made money. His music was made by other, for him. He just was the right person to do it, because of his voice.
I cant agree 100%, Nobody daired to go out & say fuck the police or shit like that, that kept rappers from expressing their real anger but then E just came up with it & putted NWA in the role & that opent gates so he did influence rap more then 2pac, like Shock G said "We were (digital underground) underground because we expressed our real anger but since NWA came, it opent alot of gates for us rappers". & Eazy made alot of money but lost alot to, when he died he was hella bankrupt.. Tomica, the one that gets dissed alot for killing Ruthless took care so that it could run functionally again, now they may not put out the biggest gangsta waxes but they still are in business.
Dude, Eazy did not have more impact on hip hop than Pac did, and to say so is just fucking preposterious. You can like you who you wanna like, cuz everyone got different tastes, but Pac is by far the most influential MC of all time. Eazy may have started NWA, but that doesnt measure up the influence that Pac has had on hip hop culture, and continues to have. All Eyez On Me is still the blueprint by which all commercial/street albums are made by, and countless artists continue to sample his music, whether its his lyrics, his beats, or concepts.
Now we come to the main subject of this topic, if it wasnt for Eazy there wouldnt be no 'Pac & you cant denie that... So Eazy made it posible for 2Pac to unpack hes influence of the rap industry, Now who had the most influence? Eazy.
BTW: this topic is about who you like most, not who had the most influence
Thats a joke man. Pac woulda blown up with or without Eazy E. Give me ONE example of how Eazy made it possible for Pac to blow up......ONE example. You cant. Because Eazy had nothing to do with Pac's success. If anyone influenced Pac, it was Public Enemy and Rakim......
Lol man, you claim Eazy didnt had to do shit with 2pac's success? oh C'mon man now thats a joke to me.
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2Pac had a big impact, in your view he had a bigger impact then Eazy, maybe thats tru but Eazy was a big part of hes impact & you just cant denie that... you think Pac would be that famous if he was rappin' over Public Enemy beats?
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Pac was rappin over Public Enemy type beats on his first two albums, especially on Strictly, which went platinum. Eazy had impact, but he wasnt one of Pac's influences. Rakim, Ice Cube, PE, and such were his main influences.
Eazy E could have never existed, and Pac woulda still became the best selling rapper of all time.
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Pac was rappin over Public Enemy type beats on his first two albums, especially on Strictly, which went platinum. Eazy had impact, but he wasnt one of Pac's influences. Rakim, Ice Cube, PE, and such were his main influences.
Eazy E could have never existed, and Pac woulda still became the best selling rapper of all time.
Not only did Dre was a part of 2Pac's success but also the Death Row Fame & Glory was behind it & then again, Ruthless was a blue print of Death Row, I dont think 2pac would still be the best selling artists if he stayed with hes Digital Underground crew... BUT I feel you, 2Pac did alot of for the Rap industry & when it comes to getting attention on the industry then I gots to shoot out big propz to 2pac for that, I cant denie that but just dont tell me Eazy wasnt a bit part of hes fame.
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To Hoe Hopper.
'Pac didn't influince rap? Have you ever heard DMX, Ja Rule, Tha Realest, or any other corny sounding sound-a-likes. As for improving the game. Before 'Pac, if any one did a Keep Your Head Up, a Dear Mama, a Brenda Got A Baby, then they would be dissed, and lose their street rep that was so important back then. Eazy's influince was not musical. Ice Cube cam up with the political shit, Dre and Yella worked on the sound, more Dre than Yella. Who else would sample Funky Worm, Dre. Eazy was a founder because of his business influince. Eazy started his own damn record label, housed a west coast all star group, got female rappers, and keep all that shit gangsta. Ruthless was the blueprint to Death Row. We now how that turned out. 'Pac came out and rapped on home issues, and got deep, a depth no one can reach, but they try. 'Pac upped the game to a point were no one can up it. Eazy made business out of the game. 'Pac made great music, Eazy made money. His music was made by other, for him. He just was the right person to do it, because of his voice.
This is why I said positive influence
biters like Ja or Tha Realest make HipHop worse not betta so I don't give Pac credit for that.
there are loads of biters tryin to be Pac so he had a big influence but I'm talking about who improved it.
Before 'Pac, if any one did a Keep Your Head Up, a Dear Mama, a Brenda Got A Baby, then they would be dissed, and lose their street rep that was so important back then
U have a point there although I don't think anyone woulda necessarily get dissed for lyrics like those.
But I don't see how this can be more important than makin Gangsta Rap big like Eazy and N.W.A. did.
Fact is fo sho
Pac is by FAR not the rapper that improved HipHop the most with his influence
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I voted for Eazy E.
I think he was and still is one of the greatest ever in the rapscene.
He has made some great stuff in his life.
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Pac was rappin over Public Enemy type beats on his first two albums, especially on Strictly, which went platinum. Eazy had impact, but he wasnt one of Pac's influences. Rakim, Ice Cube, PE, and such were his main influences.
Eazy E could have never existed, and Pac woulda still became the best selling rapper of all time.
Whatta fuck are you talkin about? Public Enemy beats? Bobcat and Laylaw who did HIPHOP gangsta beats for the likes of:Eazy-E,Ice Cube and others...They are L.A. Producers...
The only from the Eastcoast on that album is Special K...Dj Daryl is from tha Bay..
The only reason Pac EVER could blow up is becuase of Eazy-E and Ice-t becuz they are the pioneers of "Gangsta" Rap...he did sell 6 million + with a album full of WESTCOAST beats and claimin WESTSIDE and clamin to be a THUG! shit Look at the albumcover ::)
Do you think that Pac would have sold those numbers with an album filled of song like Dear Mama??? HELL NO!
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Pac was rappin over Public Enemy type beats on his first two albums, especially on Strictly, which went platinum. Eazy had impact, but he wasnt one of Pac's influences. Rakim, Ice Cube, PE, and such were his main influences.
Eazy E could have never existed, and Pac woulda still became the best selling rapper of all time.
Whatta fuck are you talkin about? Public Enemy beats? Bobcat and Laylaw who did HIPHOP gangsta beats for the likes of:Eazy-E,Ice Cube and others...They are L.A. Producers...
The only from the Eastcoast on that album is Special K...Dj Daryl is from tha Bay..
The only reason Pac EVER could blow up is becuase of Eazy-E and Ice-t becuz they are the pioneers of "Gangsta" Rap...he did sell 6 million + with a album full of WESTCOAST beats and claimin WESTSIDE and clamin to be a THUG! shit Look at the albumcover ::)
Do you think that Pac would have sold those numbers with an album filled of song like Dear Mama??? HELL NO!
bullshit.
You people who say Eazy is responsible for Pac's success are a fucking trip. Yall have yet to show me one piece of HARD evidence that shows Eazy is responsible for Pac's success.
Just because Eazy and Ice T pioneered gangsta rap doesnt mean they are fully responsible for Pac's success. I promise you, if Eazy never existed, Pac woulda still sold millions of records.
And yes, Strictly had Public Enemy type beats. Listen to Fear Of A Black Planet, then listen to Strictly 4 My Niggaz......very similiar production..
Also, I dont know where you've been, but AEOM is past 10 million now.
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I chose comedy Vanilla Ice option 8)
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Pac was rappin over Public Enemy type beats on his first two albums, especially on Strictly, which went platinum. Eazy had impact, but he wasnt one of Pac's influences. Rakim, Ice Cube, PE, and such were his main influences.
Eazy E could have never existed, and Pac woulda still became the best selling rapper of all time.
Whatta fuck are you talkin about? Public Enemy beats? Bobcat and Laylaw who did HIPHOP gangsta beats for the likes of:Eazy-E,Ice Cube and others...They are L.A. Producers...
The only from the Eastcoast on that album is Special K...Dj Daryl is from tha Bay..
The only reason Pac EVER could blow up is becuase of Eazy-E and Ice-t becuz they are the pioneers of "Gangsta" Rap...he did sell 6 million + with a album full of WESTCOAST beats and claimin WESTSIDE and clamin to be a THUG! shit Look at the albumcover ::)
Do you think that Pac would have sold those numbers with an album filled of song like Dear Mama??? HELL NO!
bullshit.
You people who say Eazy is responsible for Pac's success are a fucking trip. Yall have yet to show me one piece of HARD evidence that shows Eazy is responsible for Pac's success.
Just because Eazy and Ice T pioneered gangsta rap doesnt mean they are fully responsible for Pac's success. I promise you, if Eazy never existed, Pac woulda still sold millions of records.
And yes, Strictly had Public Enemy type beats. Listen to Fear Of A Black Planet, then listen to Strictly 4 My Niggaz......very similiar production..
Also, I dont know where you've been, but AEOM is past 10 million now.
How much records did 'Pac sell before NWA?
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colors is from 96
pac got his beats from da bay and from kill kill outta watts !
he get dissed for that
haha
now dont tell me
pac got them dope ass original beats
T
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oh yea
also from prodeje from the SCC...
but that aint meanin shit...
they were friends, it was all gravy..
but PLEASE, please do not tell me, he got original beats !!!
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bullshit.
You people who say Eazy is responsible for Pac's success are a fucking trip. Yall have yet to show me one piece of HARD evidence that shows Eazy is responsible for Pac's success.
Just because Eazy and Ice T pioneered gangsta rap doesnt mean they are fully responsible for Pac's success. I promise you, if Eazy never existed, Pac woulda still sold millions of records.
And yes, Strictly had Public Enemy type beats. Listen to Fear Of A Black Planet, then listen to Strictly 4 My Niggaz......very similiar production..
Also, I dont know where you've been, but AEOM is past 10 million now.
Bullshit? I gave you all the evidence you needed..but becuz you dont know SHIT about rap you didnt get it. Pac was goin barely Platinum with his other records BEFORE All Eyes on Me. You talkin about the production..if you didnt know in 1993 EVERYBODY and their moma did HIPHOP beats. Then came a group called Above the law and a dude named Dr Dre and changed the sound of the Westcoast..with funk and synths and shit. Those same beats that 2pac used for his ALL EYES ON ME record. When i said 6 million i was referring at the time this record "new" of course it has sold over 10 million by now..its 2003 now ::)
But i guess this is hard for you to understand, you werent probably even born in 1988.
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Word .., Gangsta_T; Look at 2pac big hitters.. You said "Dear Mama"..Well, he got that shit from Kill Kill, "Cali Love", we all know who produced that track.. Like I said, 2pac was a great artist, also one of the greatest, but not the realist.. And so Eazy above Pac.. But look it also like this; Suge concidered Pac like his golden child and Pac represented wordwide,every recordstore had had posters of Pac's new release (even in Belgium), Mtv was playin 2pac 20/24..What had Eazy? I don't say he is underground or shit like that, but believe that there's a big difference! So comin up with numbers and sales, ain't right.. Pac was a great artist, true that..
And I'm out...
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word to tha last 2 posts :)
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Pac was rappin over Public Enemy type beats on his first two albums, especially on Strictly, which went platinum. Eazy had impact, but he wasnt one of Pac's influences. Rakim, Ice Cube, PE, and such were his main influences.
Eazy E could have never existed, and Pac woulda still became the best selling rapper of all time.
Whatta fuck are you talkin about? Public Enemy beats? Bobcat and Laylaw who did HIPHOP gangsta beats for the likes of:Eazy-E,Ice Cube and others...They are L.A. Producers...
The only from the Eastcoast on that album is Special K...Dj Daryl is from tha Bay..
The only reason Pac EVER could blow up is becuase of Eazy-E and Ice-t becuz they are the pioneers of "Gangsta" Rap...he did sell 6 million + with a album full of WESTCOAST beats and claimin WESTSIDE and clamin to be a THUG! shit Look at the albumcover ::)
Do you think that Pac would have sold those numbers with an album filled of song like Dear Mama??? HELL NO!
bullshit.
You people who say Eazy is responsible for Pac's success are a fucking trip. Yall have yet to show me one piece of HARD evidence that shows Eazy is responsible for Pac's success.
Just because Eazy and Ice T pioneered gangsta rap doesnt mean they are fully responsible for Pac's success. I promise you, if Eazy never existed, Pac woulda still sold millions of records.
And yes, Strictly had Public Enemy type beats. Listen to Fear Of A Black Planet, then listen to Strictly 4 My Niggaz......very similiar production..
Also, I dont know where you've been, but AEOM is past 10 million now.
so AEOM is over 10 mill, so what? nelly sold 9 million on a single album (not a double) , so what's your point
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^^^lmao that was a good point i never thought of it that way...and actually its my understanding that double discs count as two when theyre sold so in reality pac only sold 5mil....if that is the truth...im not sure...anyway...if it wasnt for Eazy, Ice-T, NWA, Too Short payin the dues of actually gettin attention to the west pac wouldve never blew up...plus pac never blew up until deathrow...so if it wasnt for Eazy, im almost 100 % sure Deathrow wouldve never started...Dre would probably still be with the wreckin cru...and yall cant say pac blew up prior to deathrow...theres no way u can say that..if i hit up 90% of pac fans and tell them "name me three songs from 'Me Against The World' that were not singles." they just look at me like huh?...but when i say "name three songs from 'all eyez on me' that were not singles" and they name em...easily...if u even think for a minute that pac wouldve blew up on the east ur kidding urself...if it wasnt for pac reppin the west and dissin the east he wouldve never got so much attention...
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^^^lmao that was a good point i never thought of it that way...and actually its my understanding that double discs count as two when theyre sold so in reality pac only sold 5mil....if that is the truth...im not sure...anyway...if it wasnt for Eazy, Ice-T, NWA, Too Short payin the dues of actually gettin attention to the west pac wouldve never blew up...plus pac never blew up until deathrow...so if it wasnt for Eazy, im almost 100 % sure Deathrow wouldve never started...Dre would probably still be with the wreckin cru...and yall cant say pac blew up prior to deathrow...theres no way u can say that..if i hit up 90% of pac fans and tell them "name me three songs from 'Me Against The World' that were not singles." they just look at me like huh?...but when i say "name three songs from 'all eyez on me' that were not singles" and they name em...easily...if u even think for a minute that pac wouldve blew up on the east ur kidding urself...if it wasnt for pac reppin the west and dissin the east he wouldve never got so much attention...
Preach on! ;D
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Tough decision...I gotta go with Pac...
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i think if we're gonna argue whos a better rapper, then we should do just that. to say eazy is better because he opened the door for west coast acts isn't fair. if you're gonna argue like that, then you have to say there would also be no tupac with Too Short. he came out from the bay way before Pac. so therefore Too Short is better than pac right? so to me that argument is bullshit. make your point based on lyrics and flow and things like that. i love eazy, i own every solo and NWA album. he had a great voice, and a good flow. but many many times didn't write his own lyrics. and as far as his lyrics go, he stuck to one subject. its no comparison. Pac was lyrically superior, had a killer flow, wrote his own rhymes, and was one of the most diverse rappers ever (subject wise). so to me, under these criteria, its pac hands down.
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I agree with Jerome on 1 point, you dont got to judge for someone that made ways for the other person... I voted for Eazy because I just think hes one of the greatests if not the greatest rapper all time as a person, hes style of flowing is so coldharding, I just cant say it enough...
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bullshit.
You people who say Eazy is responsible for Pac's success are a fucking trip. Yall have yet to show me one piece of HARD evidence that shows Eazy is responsible for Pac's success.
Just because Eazy and Ice T pioneered gangsta rap doesnt mean they are fully responsible for Pac's success. I promise you, if Eazy never existed, Pac woulda still sold millions of records.
And yes, Strictly had Public Enemy type beats. Listen to Fear Of A Black Planet, then listen to Strictly 4 My Niggaz......very similiar production..
Also, I dont know where you've been, but AEOM is past 10 million now.
Bullshit? I gave you all the evidence you needed..but becuz you dont know SHIT about rap you didnt get it. Pac was goin barely Platinum with his other records BEFORE All Eyes on Me. You talkin about the production..if you didnt know in 1993 EVERYBODY and their moma did HIPHOP beats. Then came a group called Above the law and a dude named Dr Dre and changed the sound of the Westcoast..with funk and synths and shit. Those same beats that 2pac used for his ALL EYES ON ME record. When i said 6 million i was referring at the time this record "new" of course it has sold over 10 million by now..its 2003 now ::)
But i guess this is hard for you to understand, you werent probably even born in 1988.
You little ignorant fuck. I was born in 1978 and was listening to hip hop before you even knew what the fuck it was, so dont ever, ever question my knowlege again.
Again, Pac's album sales before AEOM are completely irrelvent to Eazy having impact on Pac. There is no connection there whatsoever, NONE. The reason AEOM sold so much more than his previous albums were A. California Love was HUGE, and was easily his biggest single to date, B. AEOM was his most commercial album, and C. It was released on Death Row.......Eazy had no impact on Pac. NONE. Big singles and Death Row Records are what made Pac blow up [besides the fact that just mad cats were feelin him]....lmao at you thinking AEOM and Pac blew up because of Eazy.
Im done with this argument. This shit is too easy. If someone can actually put up a LEGIT challenge against me, ill be more than happy to debate. But if you're gonna post something like this cat above me did, dont even bother.
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Pac was rappin over Public Enemy type beats on his first two albums, especially on Strictly, which went platinum. Eazy had impact, but he wasnt one of Pac's influences. Rakim, Ice Cube, PE, and such were his main influences.
Eazy E could have never existed, and Pac woulda still became the best selling rapper of all time.
Whatta fuck are you talkin about? Public Enemy beats? Bobcat and Laylaw who did HIPHOP gangsta beats for the likes of:Eazy-E,Ice Cube and others...They are L.A. Producers...
The only from the Eastcoast on that album is Special K...Dj Daryl is from tha Bay..
The only reason Pac EVER could blow up is becuase of Eazy-E and Ice-t becuz they are the pioneers of "Gangsta" Rap...he did sell 6 million + with a album full of WESTCOAST beats and claimin WESTSIDE and clamin to be a THUG! shit Look at the albumcover ::)
Do you think that Pac would have sold those numbers with an album filled of song like Dear Mama??? HELL NO!
bullshit.
You people who say Eazy is responsible for Pac's success are a fucking trip. Yall have yet to show me one piece of HARD evidence that shows Eazy is responsible for Pac's success.
Just because Eazy and Ice T pioneered gangsta rap doesnt mean they are fully responsible for Pac's success. I promise you, if Eazy never existed, Pac woulda still sold millions of records.
And yes, Strictly had Public Enemy type beats. Listen to Fear Of A Black Planet, then listen to Strictly 4 My Niggaz......very similiar production..
Also, I dont know where you've been, but AEOM is past 10 million now.
so AEOM is over 10 mill, so what? nelly sold 9 million on a single album (not a double) , so what's your point
Difference is, Nelly's album is much cheaper......selling 5 million copies of a double cd is far more impressive than selling 8 million of a single cd.
Nelly's album is like $11.99 at most places, while AEOM is a $25 double cd.
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I bought AEOM for $19.99 the day it came out in '96...The stats are misleading though because only 5 million people own that album...
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Difference is, Nelly's album is much cheaper......selling 5 million copies of a double cd is far more impressive than selling 8 million of a single cd.
Nelly's album is like $11.99 at most places, while AEOM is a $25 double cd.
So Nelly's album is betta than Dogg Foot for example which was also released on Death Row at it's biggest time?
C'mon u know sales don't mean shit
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I agree, sales dont mean shit.....Illmatic is living proof of that. But nevertheless, the numbers AEOM put up [and still put up] are amazing. Before that album dropped, it was thought you had to be MC Hammer to sell those kind of units. Pac was the first legit rapper to prove otherwise.
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I bought AEOM for $19.99 the day it came out in '96...The stats are misleading though because only 5 million people own that album...
Yea, the album still counts as 10 x platinum though, and its one of the top 3 selling rap albums ever, even if there are other albums more people bought.
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i prefer pac
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bullshit.
You people who say Eazy is responsible for Pac's success are a fucking trip. Yall have yet to show me one piece of HARD evidence that shows Eazy is responsible for Pac's success.
Just because Eazy and Ice T pioneered gangsta rap doesnt mean they are fully responsible for Pac's success. I promise you, if Eazy never existed, Pac woulda still sold millions of records.
And yes, Strictly had Public Enemy type beats. Listen to Fear Of A Black Planet, then listen to Strictly 4 My Niggaz......very similiar production..
Also, I dont know where you've been, but AEOM is past 10 million now.
Bullshit? I gave you all the evidence you needed..but becuz you dont know SHIT about rap you didnt get it. Pac was goin barely Platinum with his other records BEFORE All Eyes on Me. You talkin about the production..if you didnt know in 1993 EVERYBODY and their moma did HIPHOP beats. Then came a group called Above the law and a dude named Dr Dre and changed the sound of the Westcoast..with funk and synths and shit. Those same beats that 2pac used for his ALL EYES ON ME record. When i said 6 million i was referring at the time this record "new" of course it has sold over 10 million by now..its 2003 now ::)
But i guess this is hard for you to understand, you werent probably even born in 1988.
You little ignorant fuck. I was born in 1978 and was listening to hip hop before you even knew what the fuck it was, so dont ever, ever question my knowlege again.
Again, Pac's album sales before AEOM are completely irrelvent to Eazy having impact on Pac. There is no connection there whatsoever, NONE. The reason AEOM sold so much more than his previous albums were A. California Love was HUGE, and was easily his biggest single to date, B. AEOM was his most commercial album, and C. It was released on Death Row.......Eazy had no impact on Pac. NONE. Big singles and Death Row Records are what made Pac blow up [besides the fact that just mad cats were feelin him]....lmao at you thinking AEOM and Pac blew up because of Eazy.
Im done with this argument. This shit is too easy. If someone can actually put up a LEGIT challenge against me, ill be more than happy to debate. But if you're gonna post something like this cat above me did, dont even bother.
Ignorant?? You are tha ignorant mothafucka! If you gonna argue about some shit..now YOUR SHIT! and READ the posts before postin shit, i NEVER said that Pac Blew because of Eazy..he was ABLE to do that Because of Eazy and Ice-T..."who started this gangsta shit??"
Anybody who think that Pac would have gotten so big cuz:
1) He was on DeathRow (Who would NEVER had happen without Ruthless Records in the first place)
2) He claimin to be a Thug and a G, instead of rappin only Dear Mama songs IS A GODDAMN FOOL!
Peace
And Btw in none of your posts have you even been close of proof that you know more about this hiphop shit than me..BITCH!
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I do know this, 'Pac was on Interscope, found by Digital Underground, and took more out of Rakim, KRS-One, Public Enemy, and Kool G Rap than Eazy E. And Kool G Rap was thug too.
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after that chino XL freestyle i gottta go wit Eazy but for reall Eazy iz tha better RAPPER but when it comez to writing rhymez pac iz trha better LYRICIST. im out!!!
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I do know this, 'Pac was on Interscope, found by Digital Underground, and took more out of Rakim, KRS-One, Public Enemy, and Kool G Rap than Eazy E. And Kool G Rap was thug too.
check it tho...it wouldve been highly unlikey for pac to get signed if NWA hadnt made it big prior to him...before NWA & Ice-T how many other West Coast Rappers got any attention?...none...Eazy and the rest made it, well, easy for a west coast rapper to get put on...and really not many were lookin to the bay as a commercial market...
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To me it's a nonsense to compare Eazy E to 2Pac. The first was a G, who made rap to get money. He repped G shit cause he lived G shit. He made Fuck The Police cause he was like that in real life. He was just repping his life. And the best way for him to do it was to rap about it and about his CPT.
2Pac was totally different. He wasnt a G. No way. He was poor, and yes, he lived in The Jungle, rolling with real Gs and shit, but he wasnt a real G. He was an artist. He was a brilliant actor. And a prolific rapper. He had a lot of things to say. He was intelligent, educated, informated. He loved to read, to talk about politics, about racism (listen to his early tracks, like Panther Power). His step-father was a G (who died in jail). The man who raised him was in the top 10 list for the US Most Wanted men, his Godfather was Geronimo Pratt, his mama was been in jail and was a founding member of the Black Panthers. When he said Fuck The Police, it had a TOTALLY DIFFERENT meaning. He hated police because he was raised by a family who was been oppressed and arrested or killed by police. But he never really spent a single night in jail (before the rape case).
Two different ways to say the same thing. But i cant compare the two. Pac loved NWA. He was been highly influenced by them and by Eazy-E (just check 2Pacalypse Now cd). Eazy made Gangsta Rap (i mean.. at that level). 2Pac made ppl think about things he rapped in his tracks. Two different kind of rappers. Both elevated Gangsta Rap.
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I agree Pac was the better lyricist cause Eazy didn't write many of his songs...I prefer Eazy cause of his flow which I think was better than Pac's, and the fact that eazy is quite entertaining to listen to...
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I agree, sales dont mean shit.....Illmatic is living proof of that. But nevertheless, the numbers AEOM put up [and still put up] are amazing. Before that album dropped, it was thought you had to be MC Hammer to sell those kind of units. Pac was the first legit rapper to prove otherwise.
really.... what makes 2pac a more legit artist than mc hammer? mc hammer was a gimmick with pop rap, pac was a gimmick rapper with controversy
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really.... what makes 2pac a more legit artist than mc hammer? mc hammer was a gimmick with pop rap, pac was a gimmick rapper with controversy
What do you mean with "controversy"? Cause i dont see controversies in Pac. What do you mean? I think this is just a "label" media gave him. A fake one. Let's talk about it!
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I agree, sales dont mean shit.....Illmatic is living proof of that. But nevertheless, the numbers AEOM put up [and still put up] are amazing. Before that album dropped, it was thought you had to be MC Hammer to sell those kind of units. Pac was the first legit rapper to prove otherwise.
really.... what makes 2pac a more legit artist than mc hammer? mc hammer was a gimmick with pop rap, pac was a gimmick rapper with controversy
LMAO at Pac being a gimmick rapper. The words "Pac" and "gimmick" rapper should never be mentioned in the same sentence.
And if you think there is no difference between MC Hammer and Pac, you're just plain out stupid.
Damn, some people on this board say the stupidest shit for the sake of argueing. Get some common sense than maybe we'll have something to discuss.....
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If it wasnt for Pac we wouldnt have................Ja Rule!!!!! DMX!!!!! Jay Z!!!!!! and all these other biters..............Pac brought alot of negativity to Rap, yeah so did Eazy, but who here copped any west coast shit before NWA!!!!!!!! without NWA (Who basically was Eazy E who was the brains behind them) there wouldnt be no west, therfor no Pac!!!!!!!!!
Hell if it wasnt for Eazy there would be no Deathrow!!!!!!!!! thats right, it was thanks to Eazy E and Ruthless that Dre got the recognition he deserved, then Deathrow was born, do you think Pac would have made such a huge impact if it weren't for Deathrow, Deathrow was number 1, Pac just joined that bandwagon,
Yeah Pac is easily one of the greats, musically as in writing shit he has that advantage, anything else Eazy has fo sho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OMG! I've read some real stupid shit, no offence. Pac was 16 when N.W.A. started to rap. How can you say bullshit like "if it wasnt for Eazy E...".. FOR SURE! Pac grew up listening to Eazy E & N.W.A.! He loved them! He mentioned them a lot in his early works. But this doesnt make Eazy E better than Pac. He was just older and he started to rap BEFORE Pac. That's all. I'll give him hella props. I love E like i love Pac. But to compare them is like comparing Jordan with Shaq. Different eras, different roles. You know what i mean? And, talking about 2Pac, he made his best album BEFORE Death Row (MATW). And he sold more than 3 millions BEFORE Death Row, in indipendent labels and without all the promotion Death Row had them days. Death Row just made Pac more "commercial", more popular. And Pac replied by outselling all alone Bad Boy Records, Nas & Jay-Z in 1996!
As a rapper, i think Bay Area made 2Pac. Guys like Mac Mall, Ray Luv, Shock-G, G Money, Spice 1, E-40, Digital Underground, 5150, etc.. Remember he started to rap when Snoop was still a drug dealer!
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But this doesnt make Eazy E better than Pac.
this brings up a good point, this thread isn't about who is "better" because that's impossible to prove due to it being an opinion. this thread is about who YOU like better, yet it's turned out to be one huge argument
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What the fuck kind of a question is this?? Tupac EASILY. Get your minds right people.
dude not everybody is a pac dickrider...
Look, I like both artists, but its not about being a dickrider, its about being OBJECTIVE and knowing your shit.
And as much as the Eazy fans dont want to believe it, Pac is by far the greater MC of the two, easily. And all the real hip hop heads know this.
First of all, Eazy didnt even write most of his own lyrics. That reason alone makes him inferior to Pac as an MC. However, even if he did write his own lyrics, his subject matter was very repetitive, wheareares Pac was one of the most versatile MC's to ever pick up the mic. He wasnt great with wordplay, but he was still light years better than Eazy E. Eazy's strength was his flow and shock value subject matter. He didnt have the ability to pen a song like Who Do U Believe In, So Many Tears, Starin Through My Rear View, etc etc......Pac was 1000 x the songwriter that Eazy was.
Now, lets talk about impact and influence. This definatly goes to Pac. Eazy did more for rap than Pac?? Thats a joke. Every MC alive today is measured by Pac's greatness. You dont see MC's biting lines or paying tribute to Eazy in their rhymes on a regular basis like you do with Pac. Sure, Eazy started NWA, one of the most influential groups ever, but everyone and their momma knows that Cube was best MC of that group. So yea, as far as impact goes, Pac has Eazy beat there as well.
Now, lets look at their discography. No comparison. Pac has three certified classics under his belt, while Eazy made only one [I dont consider any of Eazy's solo albums to be classic, but I said one for the sake of argument], and even Eazy's best album doesnt touch MATW, AEOM, or 7 Day Theory......
with all these reasons I named above, Pac is the greater of the two, hands down, end of discussion.
Yeah I agree, Eazy was tight and all, but Pac had a lot better lyrics, creative subject matter, stuff you could relate to, more emotion and impact in his delivery, etc...
Overall, Pac was a better rapper, peace
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every rapper has a gimmick...so to say pac didnt have a gimmick is plain dumb...pacs gimmick was being a street thug...as well as being from l.a. & oakland...contraversy was his gimmick too...beefin with a whole bunch of muthafuckas he never even knew...pac was a huge gimmick rapper...hammer wasnt really a gimmick rapper...i mean he had his downfalls...but he worked his way to the top...he hustled his own records...he got his own deal...and he had some of the biggest hits ever...true he wasnt much of a rapper...but to write him off as just a gimmick rapper is stupid also...tho when he came back as a g...that was a lil too over the top...oh and pac was NEVER indi...he was with Interscope throughout his whole career...then he got on Deathrow...NEVER was pac indi...he never sold his own records like Short, E-40, Hammer, NWA, Ice-T etc....
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LOL at Pac being a gimmick rapper and MC hammer not being a gimmick rapper.
That has to be the most hypocritical statement on the face of God's green earth.
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LOL at Pac being a gimmick rapper and MC hammer not being a gimmick rapper.
That has to be the most hypocritical statement on the face of God's green earth.
what did hammer do that was makin him a gimmick rapper?...what did pac do to not qualify him as a gimmick rapper?...explain that...cuz im curious to know why someone(even a Tupac DR like urself) would not consider him a gimmick
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Yeah you are right about Pac being on indi labels. I used the wrong word, sorry. I mean in labels (TNT/Interscope) who wasnt really promoting his shit like he deserved. It was more something like 'wack' labels. I mean you kno.. Bad Boys, Death Row, Aftermath, Tommy Boy, Def Jam, etc.. those labels can make u a multi-platinum rapper easly with promotion only! Pac wasnt signed in one of those big labels. But he still sold a couple of millions of copies, from 1991 to 1995. With his best cd ever, Me Against The World.
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Its funny how you say controversy was a gimmick with Pac, but it wasnt. Do you think he shot at those cops to create controversy?? Hell fuckin no. He did it because they were harassin another black man, and you just didnt do that shit if Pac was around. Everything he did, good or bad, was for a cause or a belief, not a fucking gimmick. "Thug Life" wasnt a gimmick either. It was a way of life and a struggle and something most people on this board will never go through or understand.
MC Hammer was a gimmick rapper to the fullest. He made hits to target a certain audience to sell records. There was no artistic value or creative intention in what he did. Not to mention he had zero lyrical talent.
Oh, and I maybe a Tupac DR, but I still have more hip hop knowledge you do ;)
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yea so beefin with a whole bunch of peeps u dont know is not a gimmick?...claimin l.a. & oakland when u reside in marin city isnt a gimmick?...hip hop knowledge?..LMAO...u always leave out the most important things... ;)
oh and hammer targeted everyone...not just girls, boys, thugs, hoes whatever...everyone...whites, blacks, latinos...tell me who he targeted man...cmon...
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yea so beefin with a whole bunch of peeps u dont know is not a gimmick?...claimin l.a. & oakland when u reside in marin city isnt a gimmick?...hip hop knowledge?..LMAO...u always leave out the most important things... ;)
oh and hammer targeted everyone...not just girls, boys, thugs, hoes whatever...everyone...whites, blacks, latinos...tell me who he targeted man...cmon...
Shit, if I thought someone shot me too, id have beef also, whether I knew the motherfuckers or not......shit would be on for life.
And DU was from Oakland, so yea, he had rights to claim Oak Town.......
c'mon man, you're gonna have to do alot better than that. This is too easy for me.....
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but he got no clue if big or any of the peeps he dissed shot them...thats a lame excuse man...and whether or not du clique was from oakland doesnt give pac right to claim oakland...so ur sayin Eminem has right to claim l.a. cuz he kicks it with Dre & Xzibit?...or Daz can claim houston cuz he kicks it with Sherm, Slim Thug and them?...nope...its too easy for u...to look like a dickrider
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yea so beefin with a whole bunch of peeps u dont know is not a gimmick?...claimin l.a. & oakland when u reside in marin city isnt a gimmick?...hip hop knowledge?..LMAO...u always leave out the most important things... ;)
Pac didnt have beefs with peeps he didnt know. He had a beef with Notorious B.I.G., and since the beef was on his life (and not only a musical beef), he said it was not only against Biggie, but against everybody who wanted to get involved. Other peeps got involved, so he dissed them.
About Oakland, Tupac rented his own first apartment in 1989, in Oakland. And there he rolled with a lot of Bay Area rappers. What's wrong about him repping Oak? About L.A., he went to live in South Central Los Angeles with Charles 'Man-Man" Fuller in 1992. And, the day after he was released from jail, he flied to L.A. to buy a new house and to record All Eyez On Me. About Marin City, it's wrong to say that he "resided in marin city". His mother, Afeni, sent him and his sister to Marin City to spend a summer, to Geronimo Pratt's wife. But his hood was so gang infested that he left the city after a few months.
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peeps didnt really get involved...peeps werent makin songs like fuck tupac n shit...they might have stated their opinion in an interview or somethin...but pac was the one dissin all kinds of peeps for no other reason than them bein homies with big...LAME...i probably spent no more than 3 years of his life in each oakland and l.a....to me that dont give him right to rep...if i moved to brooklyn i wouldnt be reppin brooklyn...id be reppin the S.G.V....regardless of where im from...i guess i could see why he wouldnt rep marin city...nobody knows of the city...but still...thats where he came in...he shouldve repped it a little...and he shouldve repped the east coast...which I never heard him do
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but he got no clue if big or any of the peeps he dissed shot them...thats a lame excuse man...and whether or not du clique was from oakland doesnt give pac right to claim oakland...so ur sayin Eminem has right to claim l.a. cuz he kicks it with Dre & Xzibit?...or Daz can claim houston cuz he kicks it with Sherm, Slim Thug and them?...nope...its too easy for u...to look like a dickrider
Leave the dickrider thing, cause you are showing us you dont know a lot about Pac's life. I already wrote you he lived in Oakland, so it's cool for him to rep his block in Oakland. In the song "My Block" he repped 112th st. and 7th ave. in New York uptown, 183rd, 127th and East Side, Kent Avenue, Baltimore, the Jungle Marine City, Los Angeles, Oakland (Can't forget Oaktown). All places where he lived. So it's nothing wrong about that, man! Get real.
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peeps didnt really get involved...peeps werent makin songs like fuck tupac n shit...they might have stated their opinion in an interview or somethin...but pac was the one dissin all kinds of peeps for no other reason than them bein homies with big...LAME...i probably spent no more than 3 years of his life in each oakland and l.a....to me that dont give him right to rep...if i moved to brooklyn i wouldnt be reppin brooklyn...id be reppin the S.G.V....regardless of where im from...i guess i could see why he wouldnt rep marin city...nobody knows of the city...but still...thats where he came in...he shouldve repped it a little...and he shouldve repped the east coast...which I never heard him do
Once again another incorrect post. First of all he never really lived in Marin City, like i told you. He was been sent there with his sister to spend the summer. And anyway he made a track called Kriminal where he reps Marin City, and he reps it in My Block too. Marin City wasnt been really a city where he spent a lot of times, so i really dont see your point.
About the beefs, he dissed Chino XL cause he dissed him. He dissed Nas & Jay-Z cause they DEF got involved (in interviews & tracks). All the others.. he replied too. PLUS he was making ONE NATION at the same time, kicking it down with real homies from New York. That's not being closed minded against NEW YORK. He "chosed" his enemies. He exposed them. He wanted to destroy Bad Boy Records as a label, he wanted to see BIG suffering.
And he never said Biggie shot him. His lawyers said Pac felt like it was a set up. Some1 from the same block of Biggie, in jail, told him that Biggie's homie shot him. And that Biggie knew that. And since Pac MADE Biggie (by letting him sleep at his house when he was broke, by letting him do concerts with him, by giving him a chance and exposure, by "adopting" him, by considering him one of his "family", etc..), he was really MAD at him.
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S.G.V. doesnt know shit about Pac, or hip hop in general for that matter....you'll have to excuse him.
Pac repped the east coast plenty.....he only gave shout outs to all the pioneers from there in Old School, and he EVEN collaberated with Method Man and Redman in the middle of the east coast/west coast war, so there goes that theory.........
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people swear like chino made a diss record on pac first...it was one measley line...and pac got all hurt...it wasnt even intended as a diss...it was a wild ass metaphor that chinos known for...but thats why pac got teared to shreads...as i knew it...pac stayed in marin city until digital underground picked him up...apparently that was wrong...according to u...if anyone dissed pac it was cuz he was gettin on the east coast...whether or not he was down with pudgy, buckshot and them is not the case...he was talkin down to basically the whole east coast...so of course foos are gonna respond to that...as for the whole big being a suspect or whatever...im almost 100% sure that suge was in pacs ear tellin him all this shit...cuz u know suge hated bad boy...i doubt pac ever suspected big until suge came around....as for my block...he had one song reppin all the areas he was "from" but thats it...to me its like he was tryin to forget where he was from and fake the funk for the commercial audience...for acceptance
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S.G.V. doesnt know shit about Pac, or hip hop in general for that matter....you'll have to excuse him.
Pac repped the east coast plenty.....he only gave shout outs to all the pioneers from there in Old School, and he EVEN collaberated with Method Man and Redman in the middle of the east coast/west coast war, so there goes that theory.........
And he started to rap as New York MC. And he was making ONE NATION with New York rappers. When he performed I Aint Mad At Cha live at SLN, he rapped the chorus like "I Aint Mad At Cha New York" and he gave props to NY. Man, for real! Give it up.
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S.G.V. doesnt know shit about Pac, or hip hop in general for that matter....you'll have to excuse him.
Pac repped the east coast plenty.....he only gave shout outs to all the pioneers from there in Old School, and he EVEN collaberated with Method Man and Redman in the middle of the east coast/west coast war, so there goes that theory.........
And he started to rap as New York MC. And he was making ONE NATION with New York rappers. When he performed I Aint Mad At Cha live at SLN, he rapped the chorus like "I Aint Mad At Cha New York" and he gave props to NY. Man, for real! Give it up.
hellrazor...u swear people dont know about hip hop if they dont like pac or nas...but ur the same guy who claims to know about hip hop cuz chuck d and other hip hoppers say the artists u like are tight...thats lame as fuck...if chuck d said tupac was wack i bet ud go with him and change...cuz ur a follower...shut up and get the dick out of ur ass...as for mc new york...true he came out like that...but its just like snoop bein snooper dooper...a wack name that nobody wants to hear...plus he never got on the east coast until suge punked him around...so those were two different times that cannot be compared...and him givin props to the ny is finally him takin a stand for himself and bein punked like a bitch...but it still doesnt take from the fact that he forgot where he came from the majority of the time and he was the number one hood hopper
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people swear like chino made a diss record on pac first...it was one measley line...and pac got all hurt...it wasnt even intended as a diss...it was a wild ass metaphor that chinos known for...but thats why pac got teared to shreads...
Man fact is that you aint Pac. If he got hurted, he had all the rights to diss Chino XL back. Is it a crime? No. So leave it. And Chino had another diss track AFTER Pac died. And he said in one of his own songs that "he couldnt walk his own block no more after he dissed Pac, cause niggaz were after him". So he replied to yourself.
as i knew it...pac stayed in marin city until digital underground picked him up...apparently that was wrong...according to u...if anyone dissed pac it was cuz he was gettin on the east coast...whether or not he was down with pudgy, buckshot and them is not the case...he was talkin down to basically the whole east coast...so of course foos are gonna respond to that...
Naw, Pac made it CLEAR (in interviews, etc) that his beef wasnt against East Coast. Shit he and Suge wanted to make Death Row East! He was from NY. He started to rap as New York MC. He dedicated I Aint Mad At Cha Live (on SNL) to New York. He was down with a lot of NY rappers. He was fighting Bad Boy Records. Not New York. The NY vs LA thing was another thing (see Snoop, DPG, Westside Connection, etc..). He was calling out names.
as for the whole big being a suspect or whatever...im almost 100% sure that suge was in pacs ear tellin him all this shit...cuz u know suge hated bad boy...i doubt pac ever suspected big until suge came around....
That's another wrong statement. Facts are that Pac started to blame Biggie before Suge went to see him in jail. Actually his own lawyers blamed Biggie for the shooting. So Suge had nothing to do with it. Of course, since Suge hated P.Diddy, he went to jail to meet Pac and to offer him a 3 album deal. But that's a consequence.
as for my block...he had one song reppin all the areas he was "from" but thats it...to me its like he was tryin to forget where he was from and fake the funk for the commercial audience...for acceptance
And that's your opinion, so i respect that. I see it in a whole different way. I think he repped L.A. (To Live and Die in L.A.) and Oakland (California Love) like nobody. He didnt rep New York cause he wasnt living in New York when he started his rap career. He was been real. He repped places where he actually lived. Not like, for example, Dr.Dre. Who repped CPT not living there. Not like, for example, Snoop Dogg, who at a point of his career (not now) repped LBC not living there. You know what i mean? He repped his blocks.
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snoop hasnt been from long beach in a long time...muthafucka is about 15 mintues from my pad off the 71 freeway in chino hills...but snoop was raised there...thats where he learned his game...pac was raised on the east...he only lived out here a few years
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as for mc new york...true he came out like that...but its just like snoop bein snooper dooper...a wack name that nobody wants to hear...
He had that name when he rapped with DU and Strictly Dope. He always had shirts with "MC New York" written on it. And at school, in Baltimore, he was been almost sent off the institute cause he had a fight with another man cause he was repping NY to the fullest. Actually he loved NY. He was proud to be a NewYorka. What do you wanted him to do? To call himself 2PacNY? He wasnt living in New York no more. He was living in Cali, so he repped Cali. For real, there's nothing wrong with it. You are just trying to find something negative about it.
plus he never got on the east coast until suge punked him around...so those were two different times that cannot be compared...
Another incorrect statament. What do you mean with "he never got on the east coast until suge"? Did you forgot he shot movies in New York? Did you forgot he had an house in New York where he lived with Treach of NBN and Stretch of Live Squad? Did you forgot he was in NY when he got shot? Making tracks? He always went to NY, man. BEFORE and AFTER Suge.
and him givin props to the ny is finally him takin a stand for himself and bein punked like a bitch...but it still doesnt take from the fact that he forgot where he came from the majority of the time and he was the number one hood hopper
He wasnt the number one hood hopper, man. That's incorrect again. He never lived in 1 block for more that 1 year. This is because his mother was a Black Panther, and NYPD hated her. And she had mad problems finding a legal job. Plus his step-father was Mutulu, a man who police added in the Top10 Most Wanted list of America. So he had to move a lot to stay in contact with him. Did u know he lived homeless till 1989? His mama used to rent a car and he lived in a car. Or in a small house, but then Afeni didnt have money to pay it so they had to move again. Then he went to live with Leila, as he was homeless. He went to live to Ray Luv too, cause he was with no house. They he went to live with Treach and Stretch. To call him a hood hopper is wack, man. And highly disrespectful. He just gave props to all those guys who helped him when he was nobody. That's all. And about NY, he left NY when he was still 13-14, so you are making a big deal of it, but it isnt. For real.
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snoop hasnt been from long beach in a long time...muthafucka is about 15 mintues from my pad off the 71 freeway in chino hills...but snoop was raised there...thats where he learned his game...pac was raised on the east...he only lived out here a few years
Pac lived about 14 years in NY and 11 years in Cali. But he was raised a G in Cali, not in New York. He was been initiated in Cali. In NY, he was just too young to be "raised". That's why he reps Cali more than NY. Cause Tupac became 2Pac in Cali. I find it more "immature" for Snoop to rep LBC than for Pac to rep the blocks where he lived. A block is not a soccer team. You dont rep it if you dont live it. Do you?
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Gary, stop trying.....
it should be obvious to you by now that S.G.V. is a Pac hater, and will try to use any little thing against Pac he can [thats what all Pac haters do], so just let the fruitcake live in his little fantasy world. He is biased against Pac, so there is no use trying to convince him of anything. Just let him dwell in his ignorance.
And S.G.V., dont even bother replying to this, because I wont read it. For the record, you're a punk.
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gary and hellrazor-much props on your points homies. couldn't have said it any better myself.
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Pac never got on the East Coast Until Suge...meaning he never spoke on them until suge...cuz his beefs were never real...he was punked into beefin...so i doubt he was raised a G...most gz wouldnt get punked around so much like that...and didnt pac come to cali when he was 16 or 17?...thats the story i hear...and regardless of pac movin around...that still makes him a hood hopper...he went from reppin this hood to that hood...its like a crip reppin a crip gang...then he moves and reps a blood set...shit is lame...how is snoop immature for reppin lbc?...thats where i was raised...thats where he was REALLY raised a g...thats where his roots are...he aint forgettin where he came from...thats bein real as far as im concerned...oh and hellrazor...ur the only fruitcake around here...what are u 21?...still doin the name callin thing?...fuckin lame...
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Pac never got on the East Coast Until Suge...meaning he never spoke on them until suge...cuz his beefs were never real...he was punked into beefin...so i doubt he was raised a G...most gz wouldnt get punked around so much like that...
Oh.. just a little precisation, since i didnt understood the meaning of that sentence. Man it's obvious that Pac never got on the East Coast until Suge. Because he had no problems with East Coast. And the thing you havent understood yet is that, even with Suge, he has never had problems with East Coast or New York. He only dissed Bad Boy Records (because of The Notorious BIG). Them, for a coincidence, were based in NYC (like 99% of the rappers in the East Coast). Other rappers dissed NY and ppl in NY directly (without calling out names): DPG & Westside Connection (because ppl in NY wasnt respecting West Coast rap in discos, radios, etc..). Pac didnt give a fuck about this beef. He never joined it. He loved East Coast. So he never dissed NY. Or East Coast. NEVER. Find me a rhyme or an interview where he's dissing East Coast and i'll give it up. You got it all confused, man. The East Coast vs West Coast beef is something media created. It was never existed for Pac. Like Pac said in the intro of Killuminati: IT'S NOT EAST OR WEST. IT'S ALL ABOUT NIGGAZ & BICHEZ, RYDERS & PUNKS. WHICH SIDE R U ON? Get it.
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Another little thing, please. It's about the quote you got written in your signature.
A Nigga Wit 1 Bar Shouldnt Speak!/I Grab My Crotch When I See Tupac"-Chino XL Dissin TuWac
Let me tell you the truth, since you obviously dont know it. That's good for all the board to know, so everything will be clear, finally!
The one who started the beef was been Chino XL. Like you said, he likes to put metaphors in his songs. In one of his songs of 1996, he says "...or you will get fucked like Tupac did in jail." For the record, it was Wendy Williams of Hot 97 in NYC who started that rumor. This really pissed Tupac off. He said if he see him, he would beat his ass. And he called out his name in Hit Em Up.
Chino XL never replied while Pac was in alive.
After Pac died, he made some freestyles and mixtapes dissing him (wack shit, dont you think?). He said the shit you got quoted and he had other disses, like this one "Nigga you ain't never ever seeeen drama, fuck you and your dope feeeeind mama" and a lot of other disses (i dont want to quote them all, it's really disrespectful). Them all AFTER Pac died.
But then, since he is just a fake and he cant talk the talk for real (cause he cant walk the walk), he said in a song (i'm finding it. When i'll find it, i'll quote it) that life for him was hell after that line, cause ppl in his own hood were after him because of the shit he said. He was scared, ppl wanted him died.
So in 1999 he made an album giving props to the Outlawz (who wanted to kill him, expecially Fatal) in the credits & he made interviews explaining he didnt want to diss Pac and that he wanted to make peace with the Lawz.
This is what he said:
"...the tupac stiuation...there is no...situation..we both spoke our peace he passed.(r.i.p.) a loss the world will never get over thats it. i have a great respect for his talent as he had for mine..when he passed i cried...i ran into him some time before the tragedy and let him know in no uncertain terms it was just lyrics to me and i wasn't tryin to go there with him like that....thats why i never released my song about him..and only did that freestyle on a college radio station ..right when his song(hit em up) first came out ..thats been leaked all over the place..personally ..it pisses me off whoever uploaded that freestyle is an ass hole....my road manager john barrier is eric barrier eric-b's brother who was tupac'S's road manager so there was always communication between my camp and his im from jersey like the outlawz who i spoke to many times..they explained to me how he was upset about a line that i said and told me that..thats why he was so mad.i felt that..and on the real, i regret the whole shit on a man to man level .they also talked about how important it was for me to whenever i had a chance to let everyone know it was just lyrics beacause it will always be of intrest to people.they also went on to tell me how alot of cats are copying pac without showing love and or being disrespectful..on some tough shit now that the man (PAC) is passed.keepin it real them outlaw cats are very smart talented and organized..they roll like soldiers but believe me if you ever hear of them mashing somebody out they must have deserved it..they are far from bullies and believe in justice .noble me and napolean have spoken a couple of times and i actually would love to work with them..its amazing how people made such a big deal at the love i showed them(the outlawz) on the credits on my last album...when i have maintained i had no beefs in the situation from day one...but i always maintain my attitude toward my abilities ecepecially lyrically..im a man fuck that..you know ..and i spit hard..i feel im blessed in that vocal booth....once and for all im a tupac fan like every one else i have all his albums too... im doin so many movies right now.tupac showed an m.c. could also act, write poetry or whatever he set his mind to do.. .Pac has opened up doors for entertainers period........................"
I hope it's all clear now. I mean... who's the bitch!
P.S.
I've found the song. It's called Jesus. He says: "Ever since Pac dissed me/Jersey tried to front on me". Actually he explained that line in an interview and that's where he said that life for his was hell because of the beef etc etc..
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any of u niggas from new york that wanna bring it, bring it...thats not beef with new york?...cmon if he didnt have beef with new york wouldnt he have said...any of u niggas with beef bring it...and so on....and yea that chino song was lyrical jesus...but see he never got a chance to diss pac when he was alive...cuz the guy died not to long after...he had to speak on it...regardless of pac dyin or not...he had to speak on it...and u cant front...the tracks were hard...pac couldnt have fucked with it...but u know what...at least u came at me like a civilized person and stated ur opinions...i respect u...hellrazor is just a 8 year old boy stuck in a 21 year olds body...he gets no respect...anyway...im not changin my mind and ur not changin urs...lets just leave it at that
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sgv-you act so fuckin high and mighty. how many times have you came at me personally, when all i was doin was arguin my points? then when someone does it to you, you cry like a little bitch. and as for pac not being able to fuck with chino, well if you ask me chino was scared shitless of pac, not lyrically but was afraid of dude. why do you think he didn't speak on it till after pac died. and what kind of bullshit sayin he didn't have enough time because pac died? its not like it takes a fuckin month to respond.
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^^^seems like u got tears in ur eyes man...im chillin...ur gettin all hostile...bring it down...im not actin a foo...ur all emotional and shit...kick back...and um...i doubt chino was scared of pac...u seen chino?...and u seen pac?...pac was like a buck 70...chino is on swoll...if chino was scared of anything it wouldve been suge knight...just like everyone else...nobody was afraid of pac...they were afraid of suge bankin em...
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hey don't get mad at me for pointin out the facts. you can diss, but when people diss you, you fuckin whine. admit it. you doubt chino was scared of pac, why cuz you and chino are tight, and he told you? i'm just sayin he waited till pac was dead, and dissed him, didn't even know him, and when people called him on it, he publicly started kissin their ass in both interviews and his cd booklets.
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hey don't get mad at me for pointin out the facts. you can diss, but when people diss you, you fuckin whine. admit it. you doubt chino was scared of pac, why cuz you and chino are tight, and he told you? i'm just sayin he waited till pac was dead, and dissed him, didn't even know him, and when people called him on it, he publicly started kissin their ass in both interviews and his cd booklets.
u speak truth like gary and hellrazor
gary leave this shit i tried to argue with him a while back about him sayin tuwack but he says hes just playin no point makin a point hell never change
oh 1 more point i wish they knew how much u loved ny
treach tribute to pac
this shows how much pac loved ny
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Naw, it's cool. The man aint dissing me, so i'm still cool talking with him.
any of u niggas from new york that wanna bring it, bring it...thats not beef with new york?...cmon if he didnt have beef with new york wouldnt he have said...any of u niggas with beef bring it...and so on....
No man. That's not a beef with NY, expecially since he explained it NUMEROUS times. Check the intro of Makaveli again, pls. I aint feeling you on this one, man. You are trying to make it like Pac dissed East Coast. WRONG! DPG dissed NY. Westside Connection dissed NY. Suge & Pac dissed BIG & Puffy. And everyone involved (and with involved i mean everybody who dissed Pac. He replied).
and yea that chino song was lyrical jesus...but see he never got a chance to diss pac when he was alive...cuz the guy died not to long after...he had to speak on it...regardless of pac dyin or not...he had to speak on it...and u cant front...the tracks were hard...pac couldnt have fucked with it...but u know what...at least u came at me like a civilized person and stated ur opinions...i respect u...hellrazor is just a 8 year old boy stuck in a 21 year olds body...he gets no respect...anyway...im not changin my mind and ur not changin urs...lets just leave it at that
Chino XL had all the rights of this world to diss Pac (back). I agree on this one. I just think it was been a wack move to diss him (while he was still alive) in underground mixtapes with freestyles and live performances (he dissed Pac in a college radio, or something like that. Then some1 recorded that show and uploaded the track on the net, after Pac died). If you got something to say, do it DIRECTLY. U know what i mean? And when the man is alive. But it's all cool now. Expecially since the beef is over. Chino is very talented. He just made a mistake. But i aint a dickrider, i admit it was been Pac to shoot him with the gun (i mean.. c'mon.. his name is in the most controversial diss track ever! The cd single with that track is 4x platinum!!). Chino just made a line about him and he wasnt even affiliated with BIG. He litterally did just 1 wrong line.
About Chino being scared of Pac, i dont know, but that's not important. It's not important if he was scared of Suge or if he was scared of Pac. Fact is that, when Pac died and Suge went to jail, he started to diss Pac back. In released tracks. You know what i mean? Maybe it's real he was scared only about Suge. But it doesnt change a thing.
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hey don't get mad at me for pointin out the facts. you can diss, but when people diss you, you fuckin whine. admit it. you doubt chino was scared of pac, why cuz you and chino are tight, and he told you? i'm just sayin he waited till pac was dead, and dissed him, didn't even know him, and when people called him on it, he publicly started kissin their ass in both interviews and his cd booklets.
lmao at mad...im not mad...u always make things up...lmao...ur a funny guy...again u still are emotional...grab some tissue....oh and yea me n chino are best friends like u and pac...lol...chino spoke on pac in the underground...he didnt have all the money backin him that pac did...he couldnt just make a record and ship it to the radio...once pac died it was like dre n eazy...he let the past be the past...
Naw, it's cool. The man aint dissing me, so i'm still cool talking with him.
No man. That's not a beef with NY, expecially since he explained it NUMEROUS times. Check the intro of Makaveli again, pls. I aint feeling you on this one, man. You are trying to make it like Pac dissed East Coast. WRONG! DPG dissed NY. Westside Connection dissed NY. Suge & Pac dissed BIG & Puffy. And everyone involved (and with involved i mean everybody who dissed Pac. He replied).
Chino XL had all the rights of this world to diss Pac (back). I agree on this one. I just think it was been a wack move to diss him (while he was still alive) in underground mixtapes with freestyles and live performances (he dissed Pac in a college radio, or something like that. Then some1 recorded that show and uploaded the track on the net, after Pac died). If you got something to say, do it DIRECTLY. U know what i mean? And when the man is alive. But it's all cool now. Expecially since the beef is over. Chino is very talented. He just made a mistake. But i aint a dickrider, i admit it was been Pac to shoot him with the gun (i mean.. c'mon.. his name is in the most controversial diss track ever! The cd single with that track is 4x platinum!!). Chino just made a line about him and he wasnt even affiliated with BIG. He litterally did just 1 wrong line.
About Chino being scared of Pac, i dont know, but that's not important. It's not important if he was scared of Suge or if he was scared of Pac. Fact is that, when Pac died and Suge went to jail, he started to diss Pac back. In released tracks. You know what i mean? Maybe it's real he was scared only about Suge. But it doesnt change a thing.
i consider that line a diss to ny...why else would he say it?..he may have denied it...but in my eyes thats a beef...again...matter of opinion....i think if chino was a major label rapper hed a had some tracks out...but being he was very underground he didnt have that privalege...but true chino coulda confronted him...then again...this is hip hop...shit is done on wax...i dont think chino was out for a fight...chino is an emcee first...to me i dont think anyone was really scared of tupac...mainly suge knight...again matter of opinion...
oh and if people can call benzino bitchzino, ja rule ja fool, biggie piggie, jayz gayz, eazy sleazy...etc...its just clowning...but when someone does it to pac...its disrespect...its just clownin....calm ur nerves already
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Yeah man. But if you go to New York or to an East Coast board writing BIGGIE WAS A FAT BITCH you'll have the same reactions. It's cause they are not only rappers, but legends. They are like God's, for a lot of ppl. I dunno if it's right or wrong (i think it's wrong), but it is like that. Great persons are always controversial and they always makes controversies.
Btw "any of u niggas from new york that wanna bring it, bring it..." was not referred to common people of NY. Fact is that Biggie was considered the "king of NY". When Pac dissed him, a lot of rapper took position by dissing Pac and by defending Biggie (who never really joined the disses). Nas, Jay-Z, Lil Kim, P.Diddy, etc.. That's why he said "any of u niggas from new york that wanna bring it, bring it...". Cause since he started to diss Biggie ("i told you all it was only about Biggie, now u got involved"), a lot of NY rappers joined the beef. And Pac wasnt scared of that. That's why he said: "if you wanna bring it, bring it".
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i personally would call that a diss...i know if i was a rapper and some guy asid..any muthafucka from the sgv that wanna bring it...thats like theyre tryin to test nutsof the people in that area...i think if pac wouldve said "any of u niggas down with biggie that wanna bring it" etc...that wouldnt have been a diss...also about pac not being scared...it wasnt just pac goin alone..he had the outlawz with him...there was like what 5 outlawz and pac?...so i mean he had back up...they were all dissin with him...
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The Outlawz? Man they were just kids from 17 to 23 (years old). I feel you on the Suge/DR thing (remember Pac's entourages full of bodyguards and bloods), not on the Outlawz thing.
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kids or not they were yappin...junior mafia, mobb deep...they werent that old either...i mean e.d.i. is a big dude...so is napolean...if they had the balls to speak they should have the balls to step...so i think that pac knew he had a few soldiers willin to scrap for him
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Naw. I think he THOUGHT he had them soldiers, but them soldiers bitched out in Las Vegas. That's why Fatal was mad at them, and i agree with him. Pac "used" Outlawz ONLY TO PROTECT HIM. This was Lawz's mission, u know what i mean? They had to live for Pac, and to DIE for Pac. But they didnt do a damn thing. Ok, they werent strapped, but still they didnt do a damn thing. I think ppl were more scared of Suge and bloods. I mean.. Big Syke himself (one of Pac's best homie) said in Thug Angel DVD that he never talked with Suge cause he was scared of him! Immagine Suge's enemies!!
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LMAO i was rollin when Syke said that...i was like WTF man u swoll as fuck...and he was all bitchin out...that was fuckin funny...i dont think the outlawz wanted to die for no one...but i mean they were there...if i fight went down between pac and bad boy im sure one of them wouldve banked lil cease or somethin...a fist fight is one thing...a gun fight is a whole different story...
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Naw man, i cant agree on this one. I mean.. Pac always used to surround himself by street homies. People he knew from the streets, like Outlawz, like Syke, etc.. He wanted them to protect him. But now that he's dead let's look at the whole thing. Before Pac joined Death Row, he didnt have a bodyguard. Outlawz & Pac's crew (a lot of those ppl are not rappers/famous ppl) were Pac's bodyguards. U know what i mean? Street ppl to bodyguard him, gangsta shit. Problem is that those ppl made more troubles than positive things. Look at the rape case! Who was in the house with Pac? Those ppl. And Pac, in Against All Odds, says that 1 of them conspired against him to send him to jail and ask him money. Look at the L.V. fight. Where are the Outlawz? I mean Pac was fighting some1... and where are the Lawz? I cant see them in the footage, u know what i mean? Why didnt the Outlawz follow the white cadillac? Cause they werent strapped? BULLSHIT! Pac made them. They had to die for Pac, like Fatal said. I think Pac didnt need big protection until he joined Death Row. From that moment, Outlawz became just "rappers" and bloods (+ bodyguards) became Pac's real bodyguards. U know what i mean?
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aight i get u...that just goes with my point that he got punked by suge...suge made him act the way he did...cuz if u think back...sure they werent big acts but people were dissin pac prior to gettin on deathrow and he never answered back...u had Kill Kill dissin the whole entire Thuglife crew...51.50 was gettin on pac himself...i just found it funny that pac never beefed til suge was in his corner...but yea i guess i can agree with u about the outlawz
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aight i get u...that just goes with my point that he got punked by suge...suge made him act the way he did...cuz if u think back...sure they werent big acts but people were dissin pac prior to gettin on deathrow and he never answered back...u had Kill Kill dissin the whole entire Thuglife crew...51.50 was gettin on pac himself...i just found it funny that pac never beefed til suge was in his corner...but yea i guess i can agree with u about the outlawz
Prior to Death Row, 'Pac wasn't a diss rapper. He never once dissed anyone. Then when it came to Biggie and all them, that wasn't just dissing, that was his life. That was these muthaphukkaz shot me and shit. 'Pac said on In His Own Words, if a muthaphukka dissed me, and I ain't dissed him back, you know he bowed down. In other words, if he ain't dissed them, they talked about it. Before Death Row though, 'Pac did get himself involved lyrically in that drug dealer in N.Y. that had him shot. 'Pac wasn't speaking to muthaphukkaz lyrically about rap though, until his life mattered, and then who's ever down with these clowns can go down too.
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Somehow i agree with you both. I mean, like Snoop said, Pac wasnt a gangsta. Suge made him a gangsta (*looks like a Gangsta. Act like a Gangsta*). I mean Pac probably felt like he was untouchable in 1996. He was mad, thugged out, crazy. You know.. sitting next to Suge Knight.. in the same car.. makes you feel like you can say whatever you want and like you can diss whoever you want. Makes you think you can kick the ass of a Crip in a public place (remember he wasnt allowed to do that, since he was out on parole) and to be safe without wearing the bulletproof and without being strapped. You know what i mean? After the NY shooting, Pac went crazy. And he started to have this attitude: FUCK BIGGIE. AND IF YOU GOT INVOLVED, I'LL KILL YOU TOO.
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and see thats why pac died...he got this big idea that he can hit up peeps n shit...cmon hittin up a crip n ur not even a g?...thats plain stupid...
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Yeah, finally we agree on something! ;D
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see thats how u have a convo...not callin people names n shit...props foo...u actually opened my eyes to a few things i was blind to...thanks
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Yeah. Lemme close with those 2 pics.
(http://www.lucratec.com/hitemup.com/photos//tupac/untitled05.jpg) (http://www.lucratec.com/hitemup.com/photos//tupac/wheelchair5.jpg)
They aint in good quality/size, but i got them on a paper. I'll scan them for you later, if you want it. Peace.
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i got a brooklyn shirt, yankees cap and a jets jersey...n im not the biggest new york fan...so whats ur point?
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No points, man. I dont want to proove my shit with some pics. Those pics are just.. "pics". For curious who wanna c Pac dressed with NYC hats and repping NYC.
I'll show u some of them, then u'll be the judge (i mean.. you'll judge if it's just "casual" or not).
(http://www.madeniggaz.net/images/picturegallery/365.jpg)
This one was been made they day after he was been shot in NYC
(http://www.madeniggaz.net/images/picturegallery/41.jpg)
With the hat of a NY team, if i remember well (i'm not a fan)
(http://www.madeniggaz.net/images/picturegallery/273.jpg)
With a New York shirt smiling to the photographer (means he really wanted to make that photo and he dressed that shirt cause he wanted to be photographed like that)
(http://www.madeniggaz.net/images/picturegallery/342.jpg)
This one is another pic with a NY hat. Here he was going to a trial and he got interviewed like that.
(http://www.lucratec.com/hitemup.com/photos//tupac/wheelchair5.jpg)
Writing autographs to fans with a NY hat.
You are right: they are just pics. This one is a lil bit deeper:
(http://www.madeniggaz.net/images/picturegallery/238.jpg)
Here he's singing I Aint Mad At Cha dedicating it to NYC (holla if u want the audio of it)
Now listen to "MY BLOCK" and tell me if the man aint repping NYC enought. And remember he didnt have to, since he grew up in Cali (as an artist and as a thug) and since he was living in Cali.
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hook it up with the audio...
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Holla at me if you see me online on mirc. I'm usually GSoneji. Pz.
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Seer, you should make a rule that prevents ppl for vote on polls if they arent above 200 posts or something ;)
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Seer, you should make a rule that prevents ppl for vote on polls if they arent above 200 posts or something ;)
That hurt my feelings Lilmack :'(
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Seer, you should make a rule that prevents ppl for vote on polls if they arent above 200 posts or something ;)
That hurt my feelings Lilmack :'(
;) cheer up homie coz this is for the 2pac fans only rule ;D
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Are you people stupid? Easy Did not, and I repeat DID NOT even write his shit lyrics. How can you even compare these two. It's like asking if Al Pacino is tougher than John Gotti. One is real, the other is fake. Eazy E was no more than a Black, male, Britany Spears with an attitude. I don't give a fuck if he was some half assed street drug dealer. Tupac was and will always be a legend.
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Are you people stupid? Easy Did not, and I repeat DID NOT even write his shit lyrics. How can you even compare these two. It's like asking if Al Pacino is tougher than John Gotti. One is real, the other is fake. Eazy E was no more than a Black, male, Britany Spears with an attitude. I don't give a fuck if he was some half assed street drug dealer. Tupac was and will always be a legend.
;D HOW OLD ARE YOU DUDE?
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What does that mean.
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What does that mean.
;D Crackin up over here! ;D
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Are you people stupid? Easy Did not, and I repeat DID NOT even write his shit lyrics. How can you even compare these two. It's like asking if Al Pacino is tougher than John Gotti. One is real, the other is fake. Eazy E was no more than a Black, male, Britany Spears with an attitude. I don't give a fuck if he was some half assed street drug dealer. Tupac was and will always be a legend.
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Seer, you should make a rule that prevents ppl for vote on polls if they arent above 200 posts or something ;)
;) cheer up homie coz this is for the 2pac fans only rule ;D
Sorry but was it supposed to be funny? Just for the record, this poll was been started by a DPG fan who voted for Eazy. What's wrong if this board got more 2Pac fans than Eazy E fans? Do i have to reach 200 posts to get credibility in this board?
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Are you people stupid? Easy Did not, and I repeat DID NOT even write his shit lyrics. How can you even compare these two. It's like asking if Al Pacino is tougher than John Gotti. One is real, the other is fake. Eazy E was no more than a Black, male, Britany Spears with an attitude. I don't give a fuck if he was some half assed street drug dealer. Tupac was and will always be a legend.
Do you have a dick in your mouth? ;D
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what the fuck does the number of posts have to do with knowledge of hip-hop? damn near the stupidest shit i ever heard.
by the way if people are debating who is a better rapper, tupac or eazy, you need to slap the shit out of yourself. i said this shit before. tupac wrote his own lyrics, and went beyond one subject. 95% OF THE TIME EAZY DIDN'T WRITE HIS OWN LYRICS. that alone makes this comparison fucking retarded. now as for who was more important or influential, that can be debated.
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you can debate on everything...
eazy-e wasnt writing all his lyrics by himself ? so what?
who got more impact ? who gives a fuck
eazy-e was realer than tupac no doubt !!!
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Why do you all wanna beef over opinion? Does it make you more "respectable" in this board? Everybody got his own opinion. Respect that. Period.
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Why do you all wanna beef over opinion? Does it make you more "respectable" in this board? Everybody got his own opinion. Respect that. Period.
right on brother everyone just chill for a bit
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Al Pacino comparing with John Gotti, yeah then take let Eazy take Gotti's place because Im sure he came realler with hes lyrics & all then 2pac with hes thug stories...
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Al Pacino comparing with John Gotti, yeah then take let Eazy take Gotti's place because Im sure he came realler with hes lyrics & all then 2pac with hes thug stories...
With his thug stories? Man obviously you dont know 2pac's life. He was been raised by Afeni Shakur (who went to jail because she bombed a police station, according to the judge) and by Mutulu Shakur (who was in the Top 10 Amerikaz most wanted list). Another daddy he had was Legs, who died in jail and who was a gangster. His step-father was Geronimo Pratt, who was been sentenced to jail for lifetime. Assata Shakur, you know her? And i can go on and on. He had a whole background of people who hated police and US flag. You can hear Pac talking shit about Lady Liberty, about the Constitution, about police, about racism, etc.. in his early works (check tracks like Tears of a clown, Everything they owe, Pather Power, Words of wisdom, etc..). He wasnt a gangsta. And he never claimed to be a gangsta. He wasnt even a real thug. Like he said, he repped Thug Life. He didnt create it, he talked about it. Thug Life exists everyday in all the streets of the world. He repped it. Then he rolled with Suge, and he had enought background to talk some gangsta shit and to be totally thugged out. He acted like a thug. He kicked a crip, man. Worldwide. Then he died. Obviously. But he wasnt fake. He was real. You can like him or not, but dont disrespect his life with all this ignorance.
Eazy E was been a great rapper. Tupac too. Everybody got his fav one. Let's not disrespect them to prove personal opinions, please.
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P.S. Read my sig. Pac was 19 when he made this line.
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He wasnt a gangsta. Then he rolled with Suge, and he had enought background to talk some gangsta shit and to be totally thugged out. He acted like a thug
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Well.. it think it's pretty clear that he wasnt a real gangsta. His mother tried her best to keep him away from the streets, by sending him to Churces (he was written in a Pentecostal order, if it's interesting for the board i'll find it), by sending him to theathers to act, to the infamous Baltimore School of Arts to study music, dance, poems, etc.., by sending him to Marin City (she just didnt know The Jungle was an horrible place if you want to keep your kid away from thugs), etc.. He was a poor black guy who sold drugs to get some money and who hated police because of his background. He was very well informed. His hating against police, Lady Liberty etc.. wasnt just "stupid" or "music-related". His music was life-related. You know what i mean? And yes, like Snoop said in that DR diss track, Pac wasnt a G. And Suge made him a G, or "forced" him to act like a G. He was thugged out. Cause he felt like he was untouchable. But we kno the end of the story.
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but i dont get it...if hes thugged out then why did he get punked by suge?...wouldnt a thugged out muthafucka do his own thing?
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but i dont get it...if hes thugged out then why did he get punked by suge?...wouldnt a thugged out muthafucka do his own thing?
It's not "that" simple. That thugged out Pac was been the result of a lot of things that happened in his life:
- he went to jail, and he suffered. He arrived to say "I'd rather die than go back to jail"
- his supposed best friend lied on him, setting him up (according to Tupac)
- Suge saved his life
- Suge hated Puff Diddy too
- Suge was a G and he promised Pac protection (and bodyguards)
- Tupac was mad and probably out of control
- he had all eyes on him, a gang of bloods protecting him, Outlawz on his back, and he had an enemy: the perfect situation to start a war.
Unfortunatly, he exaggerated, as he started to think he was an outlaw IMMORTAL for real. Pac acted like that BECAUSE OF ALL those facts, not only because Suge signed him. Suge didnt punk him. Suge saved his life. Pac rolled with him. Pac acted like a G. Pac died like a G.
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Assata Shakur, you know her?
assata shakur had no relation whatsoever to 2pac, that was just a coincedence
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assata shakur had no relation whatsoever to 2pac, that was just a
coincedence
What? Are you joking?
"In 1973, Tupac's uncle, Zayd Shakur was driving on the New Jersey Turnpike with Assata Shakur, born JoAnne Chesimard, when they were stopped by a trooper. In a shoot-out that followed, Trooper Werner Foerster killed Zayd and Assata, was later charged and convicted in the killing of Werner."
Plus Tupac's stepfather, Mutulu Shakur (the one who was in the US Top 10 Most Wanted list) was also convicted of conspiring to break Assata Shakur.
P.S. Assata was Tupac's family friend, whom he called 'aunt'.
Pac named her numerous times. Just check the song i got quoted in my sig, Tears Of A Clown.
Peace.
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Al Pacino comparing with John Gotti, yeah then take let Eazy take Gotti's place because Im sure he came realler with hes lyrics & all then 2pac with hes thug stories...
With his thug stories? Man obviously you dont know 2pac's life. He was been raised by Afeni Shakur (who went to jail because she bombed a police station, according to the judge) and by Mutulu Shakur (who was in the Top 10 Amerikaz most wanted list). Another daddy he had was Legs, who died in jail and who was a gangster. His step-father was Geronimo Pratt, who was been sentenced to jail for lifetime. Assata Shakur, you know her? And i can go on and on. He had a whole background of people who hated police and US flag. You can hear Pac talking shit about Lady Liberty, about the Constitution, about police, about racism, etc.. in his early works (check tracks like Tears of a clown, Everything they owe, Pather Power, Words of wisdom, etc..). He wasnt a gangsta. And he never claimed to be a gangsta. He
wasnt even a real thug. Like he said, he repped Thug Life. He didnt create it, he talked about it. Thug Life exists everyday in all the streets of the world. He repped it. Then he rolled with Suge, and he had enought background to talk some gangsta shit and to be totally thugged out. He acted like a thug. He kicked a crip, man. Worldwide. Then he died. Obviously. But he wasnt fake. He was real. You can like him or not, but dont disrespect his life with all this ignorance.
Eazy E was been a great rapper. Tupac too. Everybody got his fav one. Let's not disrespect them to prove personal opinions, please.
who gives a fuck bout pac's parents?
whats that got to do wiit eazy ?
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tha thing i like aobut Eazy iz that he would talk shyt ot anybody he didnt give a shyt u know suge would squash him but i bet if suge stepped up to him eazy would step up too and talk shyt cuzz E aint no punk. same wit pac but pac waz known to get punked here and there and he ran wit a bunch of gang of ppl and thats how he scared ppl but E didnt care if u came wit a gang of guyz he would still talk shyt and if u have ballz like that then ur a Reall mutha fuccing G. and i like E'z voice better than pacs and i liek his rapping style better bet when it comez to rhymez E cant touch Pac. im out!!!
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who gives a fuck bout pac's parents? whats that got to do wiit eazy ?
With Eazy? Oh.. nothing really! The difference between me and you is that i wrote "i prefeer Tupac", while you wanna prove at any costs that Eazy is better. You can continue forever, you will still continue to have your opinion, and other people will still continue to have their opinion. I just replied to a guy explaining Pac's background better. I didnt use that post to prove my opinion. Opinions are something personal.
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Anyway why are you all focusing your attention on the bad side of Tupac and on the bad side of Eazy E? Arent we all judging the "RAPPERS"? Or was the question.. "Who was more criminal? Tupac or Eazy E?". If the question was "Who do you prefeer as a rapper?" then let's not talk about this shit. You totally changed the question talking about "if Eazy was in front of Suge..", or "Eazy vs Tupac in a fight.....", or "Tupac wasnt a Gangsta"... WTF? Al Capone was a real gangsta, but i doubt he was a good rapper. And Nas aint a real gangsta, but he is a good rapper. So what? Let's judge the rappers, please! And remember music at the very end of the day is just entertainment.
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Al Pacino comparing with John Gotti, yeah then take let Eazy take Gotti's place because Im sure he came realler with hes lyrics & all then 2pac with hes thug stories...
With his thug stories? Man obviously you dont know 2pac's life. He was been raised by Afeni Shakur (who went to jail because she bombed a police station, according to the judge) and by Mutulu Shakur (who was in the Top 10 Amerikaz most wanted list). Another daddy he had was Legs, who died in jail and who was a gangster. His step-father was Geronimo Pratt, who was been sentenced to jail for lifetime. Assata Shakur, you know her? And i can go on and on. He had a whole background of people who hated police and US flag. You can hear Pac talking shit about Lady Liberty, about the Constitution, about police, about racism, etc.. in his early works (check tracks like Tears of a clown, Everything they owe, Pather Power, Words of wisdom, etc..). He wasnt a gangsta. And he never claimed to be a gangsta. He wasnt even a real thug. Like he said, he repped Thug Life. He didnt create it, he talked about it. Thug Life exists everyday in all the streets of the world. He repped it. Then he rolled with Suge, and he had enought background to talk some gangsta shit and to be totally thugged out. He acted like a thug. He kicked a crip, man. Worldwide. Then he died. Obviously. But he wasnt fake. He was real. You can like him or not, but dont disrespect his life with all this ignorance.
Eazy E was been a great rapper. Tupac too. Everybody got his fav one. Let's not disrespect them to prove personal opinions, please.
Yeah sure 2pac's connections were mainly criminal, but dont tell me he's more gangsta then Eazy, no disrespect to Pac coz Pac was a great artists but Eazy really knew how to influence the rap world & he got loves from alot of crip sets, 2pac was a blood, did he get love from blood sets?
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Yeah sure 2pac's connections were mainly criminal, but dont tell me he's more gangsta then Eazy, no disrespect to Pac coz Pac was a great artists but Eazy really knew how to influence the rap world & he got loves from alot of crip sets, 2pac was a blood, did he get love from blood sets?
2Pac wasn't a blood. He never claimed to be a gangsta. Never heard it once. Anyways, 'Pac gets love from a lot of people. Who you hear more after death, Eazy or 'Pac. Anyways, anyone who thinks Eazy is better, also thinks Puffy, JD, and Dr. Dre are great rappers too, because all are the same, they own their own labels and have ghostwriters. All of them, So I guess JD, Puffy and Dre are better than 'Pac too. Peace
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Yeah sure 2pac's connections were mainly criminal, but dont tell me he's more gangsta then Eazy, no disrespect to Pac coz Pac was a great artists but Eazy really knew how to influence the rap world & he got loves from alot of crip sets, 2pac was a blood, did he get love from blood sets?
2Pac wasn't a blood. He never claimed to be a gangsta. Never heard it once. Anyways, 'Pac gets love from a lot of people. Who you hear more after death, Eazy or 'Pac. Anyways, anyone who thinks Eazy is better, also thinks Puffy, JD, and Dr. Dre are great rappers too, because all are the same, they own their own labels and have ghostwriters. All of them, So I guess JD, Puffy and Dre are better than 'Pac too. Peace
2Pac wasnt a blood? mmh ok.. 2Pac was a blood for your information.. He didnt claim gangsta no, true.. Why people ride Pac's dick after he died? coz he got alot of attention from the music industrie thanks to Death Row & Dr Dre...
Its not because someone has a ghostwriter that he's worse then a lyical bomb, ofcourse 2pac was better with Lyrics but Eazy came dope as fuck when it came to production, I-Dont-Give-A-Mad-Fuck voice... that just makes Eazy 2wice as good as Pac & I didnt even mention the rap of gangsta rap so honestly, Eazy was a better rapper in my eyes...
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Yeah sure 2pac's connections were mainly criminal, but dont tell me he's more gangsta then Eazy, no disrespect to Pac coz Pac was a great artists but Eazy really knew how to influence the rap world & he got loves from alot of crip sets, 2pac was a blood, did he get love from blood sets?
Like i wrote, Tupac wasnt a Gangsta. And he wasnt affiliated with gangs. Just read the quote of my sig. I just wrote Pac's background to explain he had more than a reason to diss cops. He wasnt like Ja Rule, for example. I mean.. fake. He had something to speak because he had "that" background. But in no way he was a Gangster or affiliated with a gang.
2Pac wasnt a blood? mmh ok.. 2Pac was a blood for your information.. He didnt claim gangsta no, true.. Why people ride Pac's dick after he died? coz he got alot of attention from the music industrie thanks to Death Row & Dr Dre...
Man 2Pac wasnt a blood. Period. He never claimed to be a G. He had a couple of bloods protecting his ass, but it was because of Suge, not because he was raised in a blood gang. You know the difference? That's why you never hear Pac repping a gang. Cause he had no gangs. And, once again, check my sig to understand Pac for real. Second: he didnt get attention from the music industrie thanks to Death Row & Dr Dre. That's the dumbest shit i've heard related to Pac. The reasons? I got 2: 1) What about Snoop then? Isnt it the same with Snoop? With Dre he went platinum. With Master P he went platinum. Alone he did 2 consecutive gold albums. No man. No. It's not like that. That's not the right way to see it. Pac was a well known rapper. Man Me Against The World debupted at NUMBER 1 in the Billboards and went 3 PLATINUM! And Pac was in jail, he wasnt all over the web or tv's making concerts and promoting his album! In no way he was a nobody created by Death Row. He was a well known rapper, maybe the best one at that moment. Who signed a contract with the best label of that moment. 2) Dr Dre? What Dre has to do with Pac? He just produced him 2 tracks in all Pac's career. Shit Busta Rhymes got more tracks produced by Dre than Pac! No no.. sorry, i cant agree.
Its not because someone has a ghostwriter that he's worse then a lyical bomb, ofcourse 2pac was better with Lyrics but Eazy came dope as fuck when it came to production, I-Dont-Give-A-Mad-Fuck voice... that just makes Eazy 2wice as good as Pac & I didnt even mention the rap of gangsta rap so honestly, Eazy was a better rapper in my eyes...
What production has to do with the question "who is a better rapper"? So.. according to you Dr.Dre is a better rapper than Nas? Please explain it. Anyway.. it's cool! You have your opinion, somebody got a different opinion. Peace.
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tupac had the media in a frenzy...and now suge is capitalizing on that...thats why we see more pac material than eazy...
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tupac had the media in a frenzy...and now suge is capitalizing on that...thats why we see more pac material than eazy...
Stop with this media shit, please. It's pathetic. What that means? You mean media made Pac? Suge made Pac, media made Pac.. Isnt it simple to give it up and admit Pac was a good rapper? You are writing like if media never talked about/to Eazy E. Shit.. he was the most famous rapper back in the days! He was the CEO of a record label. He had Bone, Dresta, Kokane, BG and all them other Ruthless guys helping and promoting him. HE HAD NWA. He had Dre & DPG promoting him (by dissing him, lol). He had everything. So what?
And we see more Pac material than Eazy just cause Pac left by giving us hundred of tracks while Eazy only gave us Bone Thugz and just maybe half a dozin tracks.
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tupac had the media in a frenzy...and now suge is capitalizing on that...thats why we see more pac material than eazy...
Stop with this media shit, please. It's pathetic. What that means? You mean media made Pac? Suge made Pac, media made Pac.. Isnt it simple to give it up and admit Pac was a good rapper? You are writing like if media never talked about/to Eazy E. Shit.. he was the most famous rapper back in the days! He was the CEO of a record label. He had Bone, Dresta, Kokane, BG and all them other Ruthless guys helping and promoting him. HE HAD NWA. He had Dre & DPG promoting him (by dissing him, lol). He had everything. So what?
And we see more Pac material than Eazy just cause Pac left by giving us hundred of tracks while Eazy only gave us Bone Thugz and just maybe half a dozin tracks.
I dont bother replying on the shit you replied on my message but Eazy left us more then just a few tracks & a rap group, Eazy left us a big part of todays gangsta rap, Eazy left us 2pac, Dr Dre......................................... Sure Pac would be in the game if Eazy didnt made it but I dont think he's music would reach worldwide listeners & if you denie it then there is a big black out in your Hip-Hop knowledge...
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I dont bother replying on the shit you replied on my message but Eazy left us more then just a few tracks & a rap group, Eazy left us a big part of todays gangsta rap, Eazy left us 2pac, Dr Dre......................................... Sure Pac would be in the game if Eazy didnt made it but I dont think he's music would reach worldwide listeners & if you denie it then there is a big black out in your Hip-Hop knowledge...
Yeah, you are totally right. That's why i LOVE Eazy E. But we was talking about "unreleased tracks".
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Stop with this media shit, please. It's pathetic. What that means? You mean media made Pac? Suge made Pac, media made Pac.. Isnt it simple to give it up and admit Pac was a good rapper? You are writing like if media never talked about/to Eazy E. Shit.. he was the most famous rapper back in the days! He was the CEO of a record label. He had Bone, Dresta, Kokane, BG and all them other Ruthless guys helping and promoting him. HE HAD NWA. He had Dre & DPG promoting him (by dissing him, lol). He had everything. So what?
And we see more Pac material than Eazy just cause Pac left by giving us hundred of tracks while Eazy only gave us Bone Thugz and just maybe half a dozin tracks.
the media focuses on pac more than anyone...so chill on that...eazy had only a few big acts...not to mention Bone wasnt huge until he died...NWA was big...thats it...and we dont know if there is really alot of eazy tracks left behind...maybe his family and friends dont want to exploit him...i mean cmon...sellin records that are 6 or 7 years old?...that shits lame anyway u look at as far as im concerned...
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The media didn't need to make a big deal of Eazy, but they did because N.W.A. sold 2 million w/o the radio and MTV. Eazy was a great marketing genious. 'Pac, he was a great rapper, he shot two cops, got shot 5 times in N.Y., started in Poetic Justice, Juice, and Above the Rim, all before joining Death Row. Suge had no involvement in making 'Pac big, 'Pac did that. People close to 'Pac say that he didn't want to sign to Tha Row, but once he got shot, put in jail, and it bacame clear he wasn't immortal, then he signed. Even 'Pac called it a deal with the Devil to his close friends. Eazy on the other hand was in charge of his own marketing, which he did well. Ruthless Radio was genious, and classic radio. His "beef" with former N.W.A. members kept his name in peoples names thanks to songs like Dre Day and No Vaseline. Eazy was many hated alive, but sold because of it. I don't know how many people said Eazy E sucked, then picked up his album, but his marketing genious was his specialty. 'Pac was just an educated nutt. He was very informed, he was intellegent, but he did stupit shit and it got the media's attention the same way Eazy did by doing Fuck the Police with N.W.A. Only 'Pac actually shot the police, he lived the Thug Life he was trying so hard to portray. 'Pac was a son of the Black Panther party, he took people into his home who he thought had promise. Eazy helped out people that were down with him from the beginning, he was streets, and had many kids with many women... LOL. Anyways, two different people, and two different ways of comparing. but music, it's a disgrace to say Eazy, business smarts, and marketing, you have to say Eazy, because his self made. Peace
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the media focuses on pac more than anyone...so chill on that...eazy had only a few big acts...not to mention Bone wasnt huge until he died...NWA was big...thats it...and we dont know if there is really alot of eazy tracks left behind...maybe his family and friends dont want to exploit him...i mean cmon...sellin records that are 6 or 7 years old?...that shits lame anyway u look at as far as im concerned...
It isnt if Pac made all them tracks with the intent to be released. I agree that releasing tracks Pac didnt want to release is somehow a disrespect to Pac. I agree with you on this one. In the last 2 (double) albums there are previously released tracks (re-released or remixed), tracks Pac didnt want to release and tracks totally changed. I agree with you on this one.