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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: kottonmouthninja on November 18, 2003, 07:16:51 PM
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if marijuana is so "harmful" then why do they perscribe it to people? i know it helps with there disease but its so "harmful" they shouldnt give it to em. and they say "its to strong, grown in peoples back yards its to potent" and "the marijuana ciggeretts (joints) have no filters." but if they legalize it companies could grow the marijuana in a field somewhere and control how potent it is and "harmful" it is. and they could also put filters on it. and if you think about it, people wouldnt murder over a drug deal gone bad. because you wouldnt need to buy it from a person just from a store. they nation could tax the hell out of it like they do ciggeretts and make more money for there selfish selves.they could also make it into a very small ciggarette enought to maybe get you buzzed. in conclusion i think marijuana should be legalized.
thats my argument, anybody agree or disagree? and if you agree help me out im makeing mother fuckers look bad from left to right in that class! me and my 2 friends are winning that argument and i think we will win i just need more info and a better argument!
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Alcohol is legal, as are cigarettes. Marijuana is not as harmful as those 2, so if those are legal so should marijuana be. If I could, I'd have all 3 banned indefinetly in society but hey, I don't rule the world.
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Alcohol is legal, as are cigarettes. Marijuana is not as harmful as those 2, so if those are legal so should marijuana be. If I could, I'd have all 3 banned indefinetly in society but hey, I don't rule the world.
and im SO glad you dont! without alcohol i wouldnt be alive right now :D. jk but anyways yeah i said that but weed has way more chemicals and etc. in it then cigs do. but like when you drink your very first beer your kinda u know buzzed sorta well the same with weed more u do the more u can handle. idk i just need to win this so i can pass.
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Alcohol is legal, as are cigarettes. Marijuana is not as harmful as those 2, so if those are legal so should marijuana be. If I could, I'd have all 3 banned indefinetly in society but hey, I don't rule the world.
and im SO glad you dont! without alcohol i wouldnt be alive right now :D. jk but anyways yeah i said that but weed has way more chemicals and etc. in it then cigs do. but like when you drink your very first beer your kinda u know buzzed sorta well the same with weed more u do the more u can handle. idk i just need to win this so i can pass.
the effects of cigarretes dont do shit to your mind...they fuck up your body but thats a different story, alcohol however should be illegal (i drink so this will sound hipocritical) because you get the stupid motherfuckers out there who choose to drink & drive and end up killing someone or themselves, or the guy who comes home drunk and beats his wife and kids. alcohol has bad effects...
as far as marijuana goes i can really kinda see both sides...marijuana alters your state of mind therefore having a higher risk of making a stupid decision (like driving while high), i have been in the car with someone driving stoned...its not the most safe feeling. if they legalized it then there would be a hell of a lot more lazy ass people that dont do shit...ever see that commercial where the kid is talking about his brother who smoked weed for years and he says something like "he didnt go to jail, he didnt die, in fact...he didnt do much of anything" and you see the dude on the couch just sitting there stoned as fuck...that would be half of america right there.
then again...any of the countries where it is legal or is not necessarily enforced hard have a much lesser crime rate than we do, etc....i think the best thing they could do would be to have marijuana illegal...but not have such harsh penalties for it.
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My opinion changes all the time, but in general, I don't think any drugs should be illegal. If someone wants to fuck up their life and live stoned all the time, that's their perogative.
I don't do drugs. It's not because I don't have access to them, because I do. It's not because I can't afford them, because I can. I don't do drugs because I'm smart as fuck. I don't even take fucking aspririn. I'm a human being. We're the greatest evolution of species that has ever walked the planet. If we get hurt, our body heals itself. Think about that shit for a minute. There's not much your body can't heal on it's own, and usually, if it doesn't kill you, it literally makes you stronger. Of course there are exceptions where you have to have stuff taken care of by a surgeon or a doctor, I'm not talking about being stupid. I'm talking about knowing your body and what you're capable of.
Anyways, I digress. I wouldn't care one way or another if drugs are legalized, but they shouldn't tax them. You know why? Because then the government will have set a precident that they can decide what foods we can and can't eat without being taxed. They'll start taxing McDonalds, we all know that's bad for you, too. They'll start taxing cookies.
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Oh, Don Breezio reminded me, while I feel drugs should naturally be legal, driving while intoxicated, etc. is a different story. In that instance, you're harming others, not just yourself. It should be punished severly.
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They'll start taxing McDonalds
I'm hoping you know that they already do? Anytime food is prepared in a restaurant and such, it is taxable.
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It had a great outcome in Holland: Less drug abuse, less juveniles, more tax incomes...
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as far as marijuana goes i can really kinda see both sides...marijuana alters your state of mind therefore having a higher risk of making a stupid decision (like driving while high), i have been in the car with someone driving stoned...its not the most safe feeling. if they legalized it then there would be a hell of a lot more lazy ass people that dont do shit...ever see that commercial where the kid is talking about his brother who smoked weed for years and he says something like "he didnt go to jail, he didnt die, in fact...he didnt do much of anything" and you see the dude on the couch just sitting there stoned as fuck...that would be half of america right there.
none of that would be increased any significant amount at all if any. the law doesn't stop most stoners from doin what they do.
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They'll start taxing McDonalds
I'm hoping you know that they already do? Anytime food is prepared in a restaurant and such, it is taxable.
Yes, I know this. I'm not totally incapacitated. I'm talking about additional taxes solely because it's harmful to your body.
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They'll start taxing McDonalds
I'm hoping you know that they already do? Anytime food is prepared in a restaurant and such, it is taxable.
that's a general sales tax,he's talking about a specific tax that is higher than the 7.25% sales tax
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Ofcourse it should be legalized...there's no point 4 it being illegal...most cops out here don't really care anymore anyway...they just get it from folks when caught and step on it cuzz there's no point in writin reports about lil dub sacks, there's just way too many people out there with posession...it's only if U got ounces sittin there ready 2 get slanged...
another point about how stupid this law...lemme tell U a story about my boy...he waz playin b-ball couple months ago and fucked up his knee...it's better now but he still be limping a lil...well...he had a doctor appointment tha otha day and made up this whole fake ass story about how his shit irritates tha fuck outta him and he can't calm down without weed...well...tha doctor didn't hesitate 2 give him a prescription...nowadayz we go to Cannibus Club wit his lil card and get big ass ounce bags for dirt cheap...it's great...I mean, I never been much of a smoker except when im partying etc...but U kno...shit feels good...just go to my boyz house on da weekend, rip a sack from his bricks like it's nothin...
also...to people that actually consider weed a "drug" like that, they tha ones that ain't experienced shit, they booksmart...prolly smoked once and got too fucked up like a rookie and didn't enjoy it...wanna kno a secret? yur MIND will fuck U up so much if U think about drugs like that...same shit goes for when yur sicc, if U keep thinkin to yurself yur helllllla sicc, then u will be helllllla sicc...
1 of my boyz moms, she's 1 of da nicest ladies I ever met...I've known her for like 7 years...she been smokin everyday for tha past 32 years...she's da calmest & most respectful chick ever...I'm not tryin 2 advocate and tell people U SHOULD smoke trees...I'm just sayin...no reason 2 say otha muthafucaz ain't smart 4 doin what they doin...BUT...I also kno others who have fried they brains off and have changed like krayzie 4 tha worse...there's a fine line between using and abusing...dats 4 sure...fold.
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Ofcourse it should be legalized...there's no point 4 it being illegal...most cops out here don't really care anymore anyway...they just get it from folks when caught and step on it cuzz there's no point in writin reports about lil dub sacks, there's just way too many people out there with posession...it's only if U got ounces sittin there ready 2 get slanged...
another point about how stupid this law...lemme tell U a story about my boy...he waz playin b-ball couple months ago and fucked up his knee...it's better now but he still be limping a lil...well...he had a doctor appointment tha otha day and made up this whole fake ass story about how his shit irritates tha fuck outta him and he can't calm down without weed...well...tha doctor didn't hesitate 2 give him a prescription...nowadayz we go to Cannibus Club wit his lil card and get big ass ounce bags for dirt cheap...it's great...I mean, I never been much of a smoker except when im partying etc...but U kno...shit feels good...just go to my boyz house on da weekend, rip a sack from his bricks like it's nothin...
also...to people that actually consider weed a "drug" like that, they tha ones that ain't experienced shit, they booksmart...prolly smoked once and got too fucked up like a rookie and didn't enjoy it...wanna kno a secret? yur MIND will fuck U up so much if U think about drugs like that...same shit goes for when yur sicc, if U keep thinkin to yurself yur helllllla sicc, then u will be helllllla sicc...
1 of my boyz moms, she's 1 of da nicest ladies I ever met...I've known her for like 7 years...she been smokin everyday for tha past 32 years...she's da calmest & most respectful chick ever...I'm not tryin 2 advocate and tell people U SHOULD smoke trees...I'm just sayin...no reason 2 say otha muthafucaz ain't smart 4 doin what they doin...BUT...I also kno others who have fried they brains off and have changed like krayzie 4 tha worse...there's a fine line between using and abusing...dats 4 sure...fold.
I agree 100%
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my teacher asked this How will it help todays younger generation if it was leagal?
me and my crew replied with (well i came up with the idea) "If it was leagalized we would have more youth not doing it then doing it, because kids do it as well as drink because there not leagalized and its more fun to do it with the chance of knowing getting caught" idk i said more but cant remember it! but im sonning mother fuckers from left to right.
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my teacher asked this How will it help todays younger generation if it was leagal?
me and my crew replied with (well i came up with the idea) "If it was leagalized we would have more youth not doing it then doing it, because kids do it as well as drink because there not leagalized and its more fun to do it with the chance of knowing getting caught" idk i said more but cant remember it! but im sonning mother fuckers from left to right.
that is true...kids do it because of the fact that people dont want them too...it would most likely decrease the amount of kids doing drugs.
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my teacher asked this How will it help todays younger generation if it was leagal?
me and my crew replied with (well i came up with the idea) "If it was leagalized we would have more youth not doing it then doing it, because kids do it as well as drink because there not leagalized and its more fun to do it with the chance of knowing getting caught" idk i said more but cant remember it! but im sonning mother fuckers from left to right.
that is true...kids do it because of the fact that people dont want them too...it would most likely decrease the amount of kids doing drugs.
I disagree...Kids smoke cigarettes, and that's legal...
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my teacher asked this How will it help todays younger generation if it was leagal?
me and my crew replied with (well i came up with the idea) "If it was leagalized we would have more youth not doing it then doing it, because kids do it as well as drink because there not leagalized and its more fun to do it with the chance of knowing getting caught" idk i said more but cant remember it! but im sonning mother fuckers from left to right.
that is true...kids do it because of the fact that people dont want them too...it would most likely decrease the amount of kids doing drugs.
I disagree...Kids smoke cigarettes, and that's legal...
no...its legal if they are over 18.
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LMAO. Since when are cigarettes legal for KIDS?
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LMAO. Since when are cigarettes legal for KIDS?
Cigarettes ARE legal for kids, they're just illegal to buy if you're under 18...
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And either way, Don Breezio's argument was that if weed was legalized, less kids would do it, because it would be legal for them...So either way, you're wrong.
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LMAO. Since when are cigarettes legal for KIDS?
Cigarettes ARE legal for kids, they're just illegal to buy if you're under 18...
not true...they are illegal for kids to be in possession of.
i didnt say that all kids would stop if they legalized it. i said the amount would decrease because it wouldnt feel so wrong anymore.
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::)Nah...it wouldn't work in America.
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So, then, for your argument to be true, it'd have to be legal for kids to smoke pot. Kids. Come on man.
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So, then, for your argument to be true, it'd have to be legal for kids to smoke pot. Kids. Come on man.
no...im talking if they put an age limit on it like they do with cigarettes...a lot of people quit smoking around 18 or 19...they say its because its bad for your health but what was keeping them from saying that before? the fact that they knew it was illegal...im not saying we should let 4 year olds smoke pot...or even 16-17 year olds...but if they put an age limit like 18 or 21 rather then i think it would have a good effect. look at the statistics (DJC you should be able to agree with me on this one), other countries where weed is legal have a much lower drug rate than we do.
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Guns are legal in America. The crime rate with guns here is much higher than anywhere else where Guns are outlawed. Guess I just 'shot' your theory all to hell, heh?
The answer, as always, is in education, and parents responsibility . Newsflash: if you raise your kids right, they don't turn into criminals, and they don't do drugs. Smack your momma for me.
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Guns are legal in America. The crime rate with guns here is much higher than anywhere else where Guns are outlawed. Guess I just 'shot' your theory all to hell, heh?
The answer, as always, is in education, and parents responsibility . Newsflash: if you raise your kids right, they don't turn into criminals, and they don't do drugs. Smack your momma for me.
actually i've never done drugs so you'll have to smack her yourself...guns are a little different though...people can use guns to do stupid things...you cant stick up the 7/11 with a bag of weed...lol
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Man, you're dodging bullets.
You said Kids wouldn't do drugs if they were legal, because it's all about rebellion. I showed you that guns weren't illegal, but yet kids and everybody else still use them and break laws with them, and kill people with them, take them to school, blah blah blah. The simple fact is, many kids are dumbasses who need somebody to hold their hand and show them what right and wrong is. This is how we learn, somebody showed me right from wrong when I was a child, everybody needs that. Your argument about legalizing drugs so kids won't do them is rediculous without the kids being raised by proper parents so that they know drugs are harmful. The problem isn't that drugs are illegal, the problem is that parents aren't raising their kids properly. Legalize, tax, whatever, it still isn't changing the fact that the reason these kids make stupid decisions is because they have nobody in their life teaching them right from wrong. I feel that 30% or so of parents in america are doing a great job, 20% or so are doing the best they can, and the other 50% or so are totally failing their kids. I'm not making excuses for them, but the reason you have so many punks around today is because their parents didn't educate and develop them properly when they were children.
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that is true...but only to a point...when kids are raised right they make better decisions yes...but if you look at any place where weed is legal their drug rate is much lower. the only plausible cause for that is that people either 1) dont like that its taxed, or 2) doesnt have as much of a thrill to it. and the crime rate in those places is much lower too...because weed calms you down...when was the last time some guy got high off weed and went and robbed a bank?
im not sayin it would have a huge effect on it...but i think it would lower the rate a little bit from what it is now which is better than nothing.
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^ You have absolutely no proof that in those places, legalizing weed is the reason drug rates are lower. They could just as easily be educating their children better than we do in America. It wouldn't even be that hard, lol.
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It wouldn't even be that hard, lol.
that is true lol....but it is a possibility...i mean...its worth a shot. i think some good would come out of atleast making the laws a lot less harsh.
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over here in the uk you can smoke ciggarettes at 14 but can only buy them at 16.
and to those who say you can't drive stoned, its not true i'm a very safe driver when i'm stoned i have done it hundreds of times and never had any near misses sometimes driving for like 2 or 3 hours at a time. i never drink and drive because i don't feal in control and aware enough.
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over here in the uk you can smoke ciggarettes at 14 but can only buy them at 16.
and to those who say you can't drive stoned, its not true i'm a very safe driver when i'm stoned i have done it hundreds of times and never had any near misses sometimes driving for like 2 or 3 hours at a time. i never drink and drive because i don't feal in control and aware enough.
some people are very safe stoned...but i've been in cars where the dude was stoned and he was one crazy mf...it really depends on the person...its the same concept as sometimes people manage to make it home in one peace when they drink and drive...sometimes they kill a busload of nuns & a clown
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All of you need to see the movie "Grass" , its a documentary of the history of weed, 1st its done very intertaining, and also amazing to watch high, i showed it to my dad, and basicaly showed him that weed shoyuld be legalized, he is against ,me smoking weed or anyhting else, but just for the sole reason that smoking anything, wether it be paper, grass, weed, cigarets, etc. all does bad to your lungs, my opinion is that weed should be legalized, im so happy to see finaly that huge congresman stepping up and trying to legalize it, i think US is to stuborn and to afraid to be wrong to ever fully legalize weed, but medical marijuana is coming along.
Dont you think its fucking rediculous that if im smokin a blunt, and have another gram in my pocket, and a cop walks up and arrests me, i could go to jail, the times differ, but still, its a joke, even a month of jail, for smoking a cigaret of a plant.... when a 21 year old can go out, and drink endless amounts of alcohol, and be a much, MUCH, biger danger to everyone. So as i see it, illigalization is just another bullshit law of america, and its just too old to change, i strongly disagree with drug comercials and all their supposed effects on marijuana , becasue scientist , not sponsored by the gov, have proven that marijuana is not adictive, and does not cause brain damage, and has little damage, other then the smoke... In conclusion i would love to see the day were i can sit on my deck in my own house and smoke a blunt, as i could drink a beer, and not worry about a cop driving by and ruining my entire life (lose job, wife, be in jail...) over a marijuana cigaret. See the movie "GRASS" its very entertaining and educational.
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also i belive kids do marijuana out of rebelion, but legalizing will not stop them from doing it. What legalizing will do is have gov sell u weed casue its cheaper than drug dealers, meaning no drug dealers, no gateway drugs (no drug dealers to show u the drugs), meaning no drug deals gone bad, even tho its weed, ive had my own fuckin freidns get guns pulled on them for Ounces of weed...
It is all about parenting, but you gotta see that just becasue a kid smokes marijuana doesnt make him a bad kid.
also i drive stoned and feels safe, i also would not drive drunk, not even becasue i dont feel safe, i dont want a fuckin dui, i would be fucked for a long time.
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The reason why weed is not already legalized, and why it will still take awhile to legalize it is $$$$.
anyone who says they don't legalize it because of the dangers of it or to keep the public safe from it is a fuckin idiot. Our government does not give 1 fuck about the health or the dangers of toxins put into peoples bodies. Hundreds of thousands of people die each year from tobacco and alcohol, the government don't give a fuck. Many people die on the streets from drug wars because drugs are illegal. Cops are killed in raiding marijuana. but no one ever dies from smoking weed. So you can throw the whole health/safety of citizens argument out the window.
It all has to do with $$$. Legalizing weed will have major effects on the economy. A lot of fuckin people smoke weed. Plus if weed is legalized, that means that hemp will also be legalized, and that will have major effects on the economy. The cotton industry, Prison/jail system, court system, police officers, narcotics officers, judges, bailiffs, all drug agencies, the alcohol industry, the tobacco industry, the medicine industry, and more are all severely affected by legalization of pot. Not to mention all the people who illegally make money from it now. Over 1 million people get busted in the US a year for marijuana charges. You take away that million charges, and that is a lot less need for police, courts, judges, jails, and also less income comming into the state for fines from possesing the chronic. the medicine industry-will be severly effected, becuase many people will use weed instead of perscription drugs. weed will give you an appetite, help you sleep, calm A.D.D. , ease headaches and pains, hangover cures, and more. All the uses of hemp-say goodbye to cotton. could the alchohol industry be affected? Oh yes, thats a direct competitor. Many alcohol companies such as budweiser, pay money to C.A.M.P. (Campaign against marijuana production) and support them.
then you got the whole thing as weed being an import/export. who knows what the deal will be with that.
bottom line is the government and big business can't see a direct financial benifit from the legalization of weed. It could be very disasterous for the economy and that would look very bad. It's all about $$$.
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^^^^^ perfectly said. Its funny how much legalizing weed would affect, every single thing and person in the US, and many outside of it, hemp is amazing, and the money thing, i think the government just cant seem to find a way to do with weed as they did with cigarets, a way to controll it and sell it, without problems
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actually i've never done drugs so you'll have to smack her yourself...guns are a little different though...people can use guns to do stupid things...you cant stick up the 7/11 with a bag of weed...lol
well, you never know, they may want to take a bride ;)
As for weed being legalized, im with it fully, if they have fucking heroin clubs in vancouver when thats WAAAY more fucking dangerous why the fuck isn't weed legal. Thats why Im gonna move to holland when im older, they alow you to do whatever the fuck you want.. well you get the picture..
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actually i've never done drugs so you'll have to smack her yourself...guns are a little different though...people can use guns to do stupid things...you cant stick up the 7/11 with a bag of weed...lol
well, you never know, they may want to take a bride ;)
As for weed being legalized, im with it fully, if they have fucking heroin clubs in vancouver when thats WAAAY more fucking dangerous why the fuck isn't weed legal. Thats why Im gonna move to holland when im older, they alow you to do whatever the fuck you want.. well you get the picture..
get tha fuck out of my thread u know u dopnt smoke weed u tjust think u do to look cool
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I think weed should b legalised worldwide. 8)
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LEGALIZE IT... actually, im writing a paper right now, so i rembered this, and just wanted to see some thoughts, we can argue more about this if u want, i actually just want it decriminalized, like if ur caught u get a ticket,
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LEGALIZE IT... actually, im writing a paper right now, so i rembered this, and just wanted to see some thoughts, we can argue more about this if u want, i actually just want it decriminalized, like if ur caught u get a ticket,
thats all that does happen to you. unless you have more than an ounce, you will just get a ticket.
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I believe all current 'victimless crimes' should be leagalized. Its a free country and if you're not hurting anyone you should be allowed to do what you want. 8) 8)
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down with hope up with dope!
lol!
anyways, I agree 10000000000000000% that weed should be legalized, even though it almost is and its only a small fine.. I still think it should be fully legalized. I kind of agree with trauma to a certain extent that drugs should be legalized, as long as its under very good control, if you want to fuck up your life go ahead..
pot should become legal though, same with shrooms, there the least dangerous drug, and it'd be more safe if they we're legal so you know they are real..
I dunno what else to say, right now im baked